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indigopete
19th September 2014, 13:17
As many of us are absolutely gutted and trying to pick ourselves up of the floor, I'm trying to reflect on what just happened there.

I've realised that the No campaign won because they succeeded in peddling the myth that a border of political decision making also represents a cultural, commercial, industrial and institutional one.

This clearly isn't true - one look round your own home for objects that were not made in your home country will tell you that. But it worked enough to spook people into thinking that being fish in the same barrel represents "togetherness" more than evolving diversity does.

There's now speculation that the UK will start to work on revising the constitution to "absorb" Scotland into the British sovereign so that this can never happen again without the entire UK's consent. The PTB have been rattled. That would be the nail in the coffin for us in terms of a political identity.

Far from having the "best of both worlds" we've actually got the "worst of both worlds" - a half baked parliament at home and a negligible influence on industrial, military and foreign affairs (compared with a fully sovereign parliament) in London.

In other words, we can celebrate and assert our identity in the areas of trout fishing and prancing around in kilts, but when it comes to deciding on participation in wars or financial collapses or bulldozing factories - forget it.

Hazel
19th September 2014, 13:34
Scotland Yet
A film about independence

From folk singers, authors, painters, and journalists, the majority of those interviewed here make the argument that people need to be put first beyond politics and systems. The subjects who share their stories are presented as rational, relatable people who simply want a government that will benefit the greater whole of their country after years of feeling let down by the current system.

http://vimeo.com/103919058

aheb
19th September 2014, 13:44
Won't it be like when Ireland voted to stay out the Euro and they reheld the referendum until they got the "right" vote. Besides which I think that there are a few more countries holding referendums like Spain for example where the people are a little more volatile , so I think the independence movement can only gather strength.

michaelv
19th September 2014, 14:10
Did the Scottish people really think that they would get independence from the elite cabal..in my opinion it was rigged before it even started..

Tesla_WTC_Solution
19th September 2014, 17:17
Being descended from Scottish folk I am concerned; we have the same issue in the US -- UK dictating our involvement overseas, i.e. no real independence.
Why else would a country with SO MUCH OIL and so much gas etc. need to be engaged in the middle east? The oil isn't our problem, it's England's.

And I think it's almost time for Scotland to stand a litter higher than the desk, stop pushing paper and start pushing people.

gnostic9
19th September 2014, 21:25
Did the Scottish people really think that they would get independence from the elite cabal..in my opinion it was rigged before it even started..
In total agreement with you michaelv, i said exactly the same to my friends last week, even though i absolutely hoped i was totally wrong. I guess, we have to come up with a new approach!