Pleiadian soul

[sound consciousness]

I believe I am a Pleiadian soul, put onto the earth to do a job. Do you believe you are an extra terrestrial seed, and how would you recognize a fellow Pleiadian. Can you recognize a Pleiadians personal characteristics?. Secondly if you are from outer space E.T .,how does that make you different to Earthly people and what type of E.t. are you?

[thunder24]

so are you saying your soul is pleiadian and you have an earthly body, or that you are an actual physical, born off earth Pleiadian?

If humans are the result of genetic breeding with off-worlders, then who do you suppose is not of extra terrestrial seed?:twitch:

[karelia]

I believe I am a Pleiadian soul, put onto the earth to do a job. Do you believe you are an extra terrestrial seed, and how would you recognize a fellow Pleiadian. Can you recognize a Pleiadians personal characteristics?. Secondly if you are from outer space E.T .,how does that make you different to Earthly people and what type of E.t. are you?

I find your questions far too personal to answer in a publicly visible thread.

[OnyxKnight]

I believe I am a Pleiadian soul, put onto the earth to do a job. Do you believe you are an extra terrestrial seed, and how would you recognize a fellow Pleiadian. Can you recognize a Pleiadians personal characteristics?. Secondly if you are from outer space E.T .,how does that make you different to Earthly people and what type of E.t. are you?

Which one of the 450+ stars there do you come from? Which race?

[DNA]

I think the question is loaded. Let me ask a question so as I can infer if we are talking about the same thing.
If the question "I think I am a Plieadian star seed" where to mean that your incarnation was some how different then how so?
If the question contains a statement such as "I think I am a Plieadian star seed and somehow that makes me better than you" I think we should addresse that.

Plieadian's, according to Billy Meier are a race of warring people who have been involved with Inter-Galactic wars for tens of thousands of years. This seems to occur with cycles just as our own race is subjected to cycles within earth's 27,000 kaliyuga cycle. Plieadians are incarnating just as we are, and they are subject to the same kinds of cycles probably influenced by whatever planets they are inhabiting.

Piloting a flying saucer doesn't make you any more spiritually advanced than piloting an airplane.

I just thought I would throw that out there.

[Bill Ryan]

Piloting a flying saucer doesn't make you any more spiritually advanced than piloting an airplane.



Made me laugh! Someone should print that on a T-shirt.

:)

[Omni]

I think many people's souls came from other worlds before earth. All kinds of spiritually advanced and non people. However pinpointing which race you came from seems rather hard. How would you say you have discovered you are Pleiadian SC? I do believe I came here from another culture as well. Just that the details are shrouded in mystery and most of what I thought was very possible, I now see as likely manipulation around the subject(IE which race i came from). I'm kind of 'agnostic' about what race I came from now...

So SC would you share with us how you came to the conclusion you are a Pleiadian soul?

[Sidney]

I think the question is loaded. Let me ask a question so as I can infer if we are talking about the same thing.
If the question "I think I am a Plieadian star seed" where to mean that your incarnation was some how different then how so?
If the question contains a statement such as "I think I am a Plieadian star seed and somehow that makes me better than you" I think we should addresse that.

Plieadian's, according to Billy Meier are a race of warring people who have been involved with Inter-Galactic wars for tens of thousands of years. This seems to occur with cycles just as our own race is subjected to cycles within earth's 27,000 kaliyuga cycle. Plieadians are incarnating just as we are, and they are subject to the same kinds of cycles probably influenced by whatever planets they are inhabiting.

Piloting a flying saucer doesn't make you any more spiritually advanced than piloting an airplane.

I just thought I would throw that out there.

Isn't that what is also said about earthlings? Warring? People on most planets IMHO come in all flavors:)
Anyway, here is a starseed questionaire that may help anyone that is wondering about this.
http://blake4d.hubpages.com/hub/Traits-and-Characteristics-of-the-Starseeds-are-you-One

[Agape]

I believe I am a Pleiadian soul, put onto the earth to do a job. Do you believe you are an extra terrestrial seed, and how would you recognize a fellow Pleiadian. Can you recognize a Pleiadians personal characteristics?. Secondly if you are from outer space E.T .,how does that make you different to Earthly people and what type of E.t. are you?

Knowing thyself is extremely important point here . Beliefs are one thing , real knowledge another . On Earth , not many people know themselves very well,
very few go far enough to clear their sense of identity and awareness beyond what they've been told or taught about who they are ..

That's how many people here even will be biased and bound to laugh at such questions . They've been taught certain things about who they are, shown how 'they work' and many also I believe, meditated on those principles getting themselves closer to some sort of personal revelation ..that would resonate with what they been taught on , who they are ..

If I say 'meditated' it may simply mean 'worked' , externally or internally, thus placing themselves in better resonance with human continuum .

As an ET individual living in this human continuum, you certainly experience distinct sense of identity , beside any other such a sense that you've learned and acquired in human world , identity that no human understands really well ..unless they'd be very open minded , intelligent and curious humans .

I dare to say .. as a stranger to the human collective - your sense for reality is hard to deceive , even if your human psychological profile would not always match such criteria and your human 'facet' is one of a dreamer and intuitive who struggles with human emotions, your reality sense never leaves you alone .
For which fact you're usually able to distance yourself from human emotions , especially those extreme human emotions and also , on other levels .. human convictions and beliefs .

You have to have knowledge of things that were not shared from/with human people, it may be language/s or alphabets known only to you , memories of places/planets, technologies not known on this planet , you may know of different versions of sciences than those known here and that all to great detail .

There are also subtle physiological differences between you and the rest of the human collective, most of them are probably known to yourself alone because we all had to learn how to protect our functioning from being destroyed by human beliefs and habits .

You will most certainly know when you encounter others 'like you' , according to levels of your shared awareness .


I agree with Karelia that this topic is very personal to those involved .. only if for the fact that it's being misread by skeptics, ridiculed by many but also , can be potentially misguiding to some who are keen to jump in believing something .. instead of searching further on their path to knowledge .


Good questions but see how it goes ..


:car:

[sound consciousness]

quote:DNA
Piloting a flying saucer doesn't make you any more spiritually advanced than piloting an airplane.

I just thought I would throw that out there.[/QUOTE]

it may not make you spiritually advanced , but it shows they have a higher level of consciousness, a higher level of intellect.

quote: Karelia:

I find your questions far too personal to answer in a publicly visible thread. Why is it too personal to answer in a publicly visible thread?..all these forums are being vetted all the time.

We were seeded twice by E.t.'s to make human e.t hybrids and raise the level of consciousness, however many people have fallen into darkness of unreality falsehood, hate and disordered reason, subconscious or the imagination into insanity mode , therefore people who have disordered reason can be manipulated. Fear and the imagination create a pseudo reality . Therefore what is going on?. People through FEAR and the imagination(subconscious) are creating their own reality .Many are into a downward spiral in to the bottomless pit. They have to appease their EGO by trying to make other people believe that they are speaking the truth and it is a reality, sending more people towards insanity. These groups then stick together to feed their ego and if anyone goes against the trend is deemed as odd.Many people have seen E.T'S through fear and the imagination and deem it to be a reality.Are you being manipulated? When Earth finally reaches a point , through the precession of the equinoxes and higher levels of sound consciousness is sent to Earth , the insane ones will die and go on the wheel of death and reincarnation.
Bill it may have made you laugh you said once you had seen an e,t on the mountain side , are you sure it wasn't FEAR and the Imagination?.

[Omni]

Bill it may have made you laugh you said once you had seen an e,t on the mountain side , are you sure it wasn't FEAR and the Imagination?.

I don't think Bill's (or most people's) experiences were fear and imagination. Although I'm sure he can speak for himself there... I don't mean to speak for anyone other than myself here. I have had many experiences with ETs and terrestrial powers, it certainly wasn't fear and imagination. Have you ever asked yourself the question:

Are you being manipulated?

From what I have observed Pleiadian starseed is synonymous to mind control target and full of illusions. Regardless of if they are spiritually intelligent. They almost all seem to feel they have the entire universe figured out, yet never have much humility when dealing with other people's experiences(IE: how you treated Amethyst)... Just my observations from most people who have said that, of course from my own limited perspective(s)...

[DNA]

it may not make you spiritually advanced , but it shows they have a higher level of consciousness, a higher level of intellect.

That's like saying the Spaniards who came to America, raping, pillaging and murdering were more advanced than the Native peoples they were committing genocide on.

Or that we as Americans with our I-phones, automobiles and supersonic jets are more spritually advanced than say the Native Australian people.

I'm sure there is a Ayuahusca imbibing South American Rainforest living native who has never handled an electronically powered device of any kind in his life that could teach a Plieadian a thing or two.

[karelia]

Why is it too personal to answer in a publicly visible thread?..all these forums are being vetted all the time.

I'm perfectly aware that all these forums are being vetted all the time. I'm also perfectly aware that all the alphabet soups have to do to get info on a particular soul inhabiting a human body is to access records available to them. But that's not the point. I find your questions intrusive, especially in the light of you claiming to be a Pleiadian soul, a race that is far too romanticized on this planet as far as I'm concerned.

[Agape]

Or that we as Americans with our I-phones, automobiles and supersonic jets are more spritually advanced than say the Native Australian people.

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Now what about Native American ( or Australian ) with an iPhone . How does it add up , why and why not ?
It's an old stylish 'spiritual joke' about whether Buddha would use walkman if he lived in our times or whether Milarepa , considered almost omniscient would automatically understand computers .
Sure , 'true spiritualists' have sort of evasive 'always have an answer' to such questions .

In reality ? Who is the 'true enlightened soul' of our times ? Shaman self-medicating on Ayahuasca , in trance , in the jungle ? Yogi who shuns himself from this fast speeding civilisation to prove himself he can survive without it ?
True model who believes his way is one of the best ways , being a mum of 4 and knowing the answer to everything ?
A Neo who knows the difference between reality and the Matrix ?

What if the answer is none and all ? Anyone claiming spiritual enlightenment have to work hard to transcend the understanding of their times,
not merely copy the intelligence level of his ancestors since that's not sufficient .

Thus .. predicting what kind of intelligence, higher than human can we encounter .. is like talking of things you can not understand unless you met them and even then ,
would you claim to understand those things or would you sit on your back and wonder ..


:angel:

[johnf]

The whole starseed area is something that requires strong grounding in everyday reality to deal with.
Personally I have spent a long time persuing these ideas, and have not gotten much out of them
other than acknowledging that I am not just from this planet and culture.

Except of course when I learned to get my feet more firmly on the ground, and deal with being, an earth human.

This planet is a mix of cultures that basically have developed here, but were "seeded" in one form or another from other places.

Usually those efforts had some control agenda attached.Our history, especially from a religious aspect is a violent mess of cultural wars.

I grew up in the outskirts of Los Angeles in the middle of patches of cultures from all over the world. At a time when the world was going through a cultural revolution that still has not settled down.

Not that that was so unique, this has been happening in urban/suburban areas for a long time.
To that situation add the idea that each of us came from some other specific place with it own culture different from anything here, and you have a lot of ammunition for either alienation, or
acceptance.

Some of the things I have run into along the way that had this starseed idea attached to it
have been blatant mind control, with layers of hatred built in.

In those cases I had someone who was trained specifically to guide me through those things
to help me, also it was done one on one in private.

Carrying on these discussions in a public form can be very tricky, and unfruitfull, unless people insist on sharing their own experience only.
What they went through, what happened to change it and hopefully results.

It is very hard sometimes to not tell someone else what we think is going on with them, as if it is fact, but it is rarely helpful.

The real truth about who I am has no planet of origin, no plane of existence, and no story to it.
I am who I am, I am me, and I am just another me, not special or on a higher plane of evolution, however the real me can be whatever it consistently works for in whatever environment it finds itself.

To look around the planet presently it is hard to accept myself as belonging here amidst all the hatred, bloodshed etc, but it is the journey I am on. There are real reasons for it ,and I have many things to learn. Whenever I have felt that I have really learned something it has been about feeling whatever emotions that came up for me , and doing what seemed to be the best action at the time. Sometimes going back, and fixing something I did badly at.
The most common barrier I have found is some idea of how I am special.
And this can be any form of greater than /lesser than idea, really good, really bad, etc, exaggerated ideas about myself.
In short Identities, that at one time or another were useful tools to get through a situation that were not let go of when they served a their purpose.

The positive side of the starseed thing for me has been that there are ways for planetary cultures to survive this phase of growth where the things we do to survive are poisining us into
a stupor. It seems to be what planetary cultures do at the cusp between childhood and adolescence.
The ability to fully feel our fears and act in a way that helps the greatest number seems to be the best tool to move ahead.

John

[Bill Ryan]

Bill it may have made you laugh you said once you had seen an e,t on the mountain side , are you sure it wasn't FEAR and the Imagination?.

It appeared physically in my room. If I'd had a camera, I could have taken its photo. No imagination. I was shocked when I saw it, but I was very relaxed BEFORE I saw it. :)

A direct question to you: why do you seek to invalidate others' direct, personal experiences by suggesting that this is delusion, triggered by fear?

You also did that to Amethyst, here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75098-Possible-Abduction-and-ET-Interference-Trauma&p=878247&viewfull=1#post878247


SORRY Amethyst, this sounds like Fear and the Imagination causing these strange happenings

This sounds like arrogance (on your part) to me. You asked me by PM why I was interested in your posts, after I had asked you what your academic background was (to which you did not reply).

I'm interested because I think you are throwing your weight around on the forum in a rather immature, grandstanding, and unhelpful way.

[Agape]

There had been many others coming out with such inquiries here and the forum was so far, able to accommodate their presence and discussions .
I don't see a valid reason why the rule would change out of sudden . Karelia himself is spiritual person who among else, interviewed Simon Parkes about his ET contacts and origins . Being a 'well known contactee' or personal friend does not /should not automatically result in discrimination on who are the people allowed to debate these topics . Those who are so concerned about their contribution here ..
probably miss the fact that any 'intelligent ET' will think twice before joining the debate and if he does already, it's their own risk entirely .


;)

[johnf]

Bill it may have made you laugh you said once you had seen an e,t on the mountain side , are you sure it wasn't FEAR and the Imagination?.

It appeared physically in my room. If I'd had a camera, I could have taken its photo. No imagination. I was shocked when I saw it, but I was very relaxed BEFORE I saw it. :)

A direct question to you: why do you seek to invalidate others' direct, personal experiences by suggesting that this is delusion, triggered by fear?

You also did that to Amethyst, here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75098-Possible-Abduction-and-ET-Interference-Trauma&p=878247&viewfull=1#post878247


SORRY Amethyst, this sounds like Fear and the Imagination causing these strange happenings

This sounds like arrogance (on your part) to me. You asked me by PM why I was interested in your posts, after I had asked you what your academic background was (to which you did not reply).

I'm interested because I think you are throwing your weight around on the forum in a rather immature, grandstanding, and unhelpful way.

I have found a that a repeated phrase like this, used in arguments can be a kind of loose thread
That can be gently pulled on to find an area that is in need of healing.
I would be interested myself in where you picked this phrase up Sound Consciousness.
Of course you can refrain from answering publicly ,and deal with it on a more personal level, but I would really encourage you to investigate this.

Fear is an emotion that comes up all the time in healthy people, and if shied away from can lead to supression of self and others.

Imagination , is an ability that that is very close to our core being, and is often the source of courage ,and deeds that save lives, cure diseases etc.

Airing out ones thoughts on these ideas can be very important.

John

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Piloting a flying saucer doesn't make you any more spiritually advanced than piloting an airplane.

I just thought I would throw that out there


it may not make you spiritually advanced , but it shows they have a higher level of consciousness, a higher level of intellect.

No it doesn't, all it means they have smart engineers, just like we do, I could not come up with the idea of and airplane or even a bicycle by myself in a million years ( that expression again, I stole it from Rogan) but I could sure learn how to ride one or fly one, all a civilization needs are a few brainiacs to pull the cart and write the manuals ( we may have had a couple of smart dudes/ladies around but very few Tesla's), the rest just falls in line, so it doesn't necessarily mean anything at all besides apparently having a reasonable amount of memory retention to retain what the smarties amongst us have come up with

"If I left you alone in the woods with a hatchet, how long for you send me an email?)

Joe Rogan"

http://youtu.be/xqSMbsKDJss

[Natalia]

Bill it may have made you laugh you said once you had seen an e,t on the mountain side , are you sure it wasn't FEAR and the Imagination?.

It appeared physically in my room. If I'd had a camera, I could have taken its photo. No imagination. I was shocked when I saw it, but I was very relaxed BEFORE I saw it. :)

A direct question to you: why do you seek to invalidate others' direct, personal experiences by suggesting that this is delusion, triggered by fear?

You also did that to Amethyst, here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75098-Possible-Abduction-and-ET-Interference-Trauma&p=878247&viewfull=1#post878247


SORRY Amethyst, this sounds like Fear and the Imagination causing these strange happenings

This sounds like arrogance (on your part) to me. You asked me by PM why I was interested in your posts, after I had asked you what your academic background was (to which you did not reply).

I'm interested because I think you are throwing your weight around on the forum in a rather immature, grandstanding, and unhelpful way.

Thank you, Bill.

Some people can see/feel it, and some can't...(it's not about the appearance...)...

[DNA]

Or that we as Americans with our I-phones, automobiles and supersonic jets are more spritually advanced than say the Native Australian people.

.

Now what about Native American ( or Australian ) with an iPhone . How does it add up , why and why not ?
It's an old stylish 'spiritual joke' about whether Buddha would use walkman if he lived in our times or whether Milarepa , considered almost omniscient would automatically understand computers .
Sure , 'true spiritualists' have sort of evasive 'always have an answer' to such questions .

In reality ? Who is the 'true enlightened soul' of our times ? Shaman self-medicating on Ayahuasca , in trance , in the jungle ? Yogi who shuns himself from this fast speeding civilisation to prove himself he can survive without it ?
True model who believes his way is one of the best ways , being a mum of 4 and knowing the answer to everything ?
A Neo who knows the difference between reality and the Matrix ?

What if the answer is none and all ? Anyone claiming spiritual enlightenment have to work hard to transcend the understanding of their times,
not merely copy the intelligence level of his ancestors since that's not sufficient .

Thus .. predicting what kind of intelligence, higher than human can we encounter .. is like talking of things you can not understand unless you met them and even then ,
would you claim to understand those things or would you sit on your back and wonder ..


:angel:

My point had nothing to do with forsaking technology in the pursuit of ancestral spiritual paths.
My point was that technology has nothing to do with spiritual evolution on an individual level.

The microcosm will translate to the macrocosm in this instance.
So the same can be said for societies.

[shadowstalker]

A direct question to you: why do you seek to invalidate others' direct, personal experiences by suggesting that this is delusion, triggered by fear?

Thank you bill you just asked my question..

It appeared physically in my room. If I'd had a camera, I could have taken its photo. No imagination. I was shocked when I saw it, but I was very relaxed BEFORE I saw it.

And in most cases that is how it happens when one has no care in the world, relaxed and calm. That's the way it happens with me and many others.

[OnyxKnight]

@DNA, you have turned 180 degrees in regards to the Meier material. You used to have a more pleasant outlook on the 'Pleiadians'. What happened to change your view in the meantime?

[Agape]

My point had nothing to do with forsaking technology in the pursuit of ancestral spiritual paths.
My point was that technology has nothing to do with spiritual evolution on an individual level.


My point was neither directly or indirectly refuting yours .. but .. the second part of your statement :


The microcosm will translate to the macrocosm in this instance.
So the same can be said for societies.

is typical 'spiritualists' 'answer to everything' I referred to , in jest though, in my post .

A believe that everything is as it is because it should be because I experience it as such .. in short , of course. Spiritualists don't like to face profound dilemmas ,

true seekers of truth however, admit presence of seemingly unsolvable paradigms and aim to crack those puzzles they did not crack yet ,

all such seekers of past were confronted with extreme dilemmas and difficulties , they were not born 'all enlightened' .

So also in our times, and any future times, people will have to walk the path anew , for themselves to transcend yet more difficult puzzles and paradigms.



;)

[Agape]

Some people can see/feel it, and some can't...(it's not about the appearance...)...

It's about the appearance a lot Amethyst . It works will many 'old timer humans' seeing beautiful fresh face like yours in the photo and introducing yourself well .

If SC could put up such a beautiful photo and introduce his academic qualifications or whatever it is, motivating him to intervene , he'd be better accepted .

But this again, makes you ask .. why do these forums serve the best the interests of 'anonymous johns' , why is the software design with 'nicks' and 'avatars' ,
why do we have hidden boards and open boards, and what do the Moderators think but do not say .

I don't believe more in someone showing their face than those who not . Motivations are not what you post on forums .. or there would be no way to accomplish your life without forums and Facebook.

Strange times I agree ..


:sad:

[DNA]

@DNA, you have turned 180 degrees in regards to the Meier material. You used to have a more pleasant outlook on the 'Pleiadians'. What happened to change your view in the meantime?

I'm a fan of Billy Meier. I believe in his contacts.
But if you read/listen to the contacts, these folks have never painted themselves as angelic saviors.
Far from it.
They state they have ego just as we do, and that they have been guilty of service to self for many thousands of years.
Only now edging into service to others.

Where the word Plieadian began to be incorrectly construed as archangel holy figures happened in the channelings of various authors who were less than scrupulous in my opinion.

[Natalia]

Some people can see/feel it, and some can't...(it's not about the appearance...)...

It's about the appearance a lot Amethyst . It works will many 'old timer humans' seeing beautiful fresh face like yours in the photo and introducing yourself well .

If SC could put up such a beautiful photo and introduce his academic qualifications or whatever it is, motivating him to intervene , he'd be better accepted .

But this again, makes you ask .. why do these forums serve the best the interests of 'anonymous johns' , why is the software design with 'nicks' and 'avatars' ,
why do we have hidden boards and open boards, and what do the Moderators think but do not say .

I don't believe more in someone showing their face than those who not . Motivations are not what you post on forums .. or there would be no way to accomplish your life without forums and Facebook.

Strange times I agree ..


:sad:

Agape,

I am pretty sure that if I was horrible to people, that some would call me out on it, no matter what I look like. And as you have seen, a few have been mean to me anyway.

I meant, what is going on deep down inside in why people say and do certain things, nothing to do with their avatar or profile pic, although these things can influence.

Some people are nice to me and others for reasons other than what we look like in our photos...

That is not the point, though.

[christian]

Do you believe you are an extra terrestrial seed, and how would you recognize a fellow Pleiadian.

Since I first heard of that star system, I always felt a very strong connection to the Pleiades for no apparent reason. I was then told by Carol Clarke, without having asked her or mentioned it, that this is where I come from. She was the only psychic I got a reading from ever.

Pleiadians can be rash, intelligent, improvident, playful, reckless, creative, arrogant, upbeat, wayward and forgiving. That's the impression that I get when I look at myself.

Compared to many other folks on this planet, I find myself rather unattached to what I do and think. What interests me most is how I create, alone and with others. Naturally, I wanna do that with an attitude that is characterized by the adjectives I used in the last paragraph, which can be problematic.

I feel very powerful and often wanna use that power to interfere directly in any given situation, but that caused quite significant problems, even when I have the best intentions. To balance out my slaphappy tendencies, I found meditation, inner silence, restraint and clarity to be very useful. That brought me to visualizing the idea of going to a fulcrum of a given situation from where I can anchor and hold space for a process. At the fulcrum, activity is less agitated but more profound.

If you are of a higher consciousness, your job on Earth is clear; helping Earthlings to grow in consciousness. People on this planet are in a process. The process is what it's all about at the end of the day, in my opinion. Therefore, it's about helping people to get into "the flow." That's what controllers in general are afraid of more than anything else—a population that is moving vibrantly in a way that they can't predict or control. If you want to help people get into the flow, suspend your judgments and beliefs, because "the flow" isn't attached to any of these. Be pragmatic and ask yourself, "How can I help this person unfold and let the life inside him- or herself flow?" I have expanded on that in the thread "How to Heal Ourselves." (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74156-How-To-Heal-Ourselves)

http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-don-t-ask-yourself-what-the-world-needs-ask-yourself-what-makes-you-come-alive-and-then-go-do-howard-thurman-272977.jpg

[DNA]

My point was neither directly or indirectly refuting yours
So why quote me?




DNAThe microcosm will translate to the macrocosm in this instance.
So the same can be said for societies.

is typical 'spiritualists' 'answer to everything' I referred to , in jest though, in my post .

For many people less is more. And for the record, I do not appreciate being pigeon holed with an off hand classification. I've never considered myself a spiritualist. More of a pragmatist.


A believe that everything is as it is because it should be because I experience it as such .. in short , of course. Spiritualists don't like to face profound dilemmas ,

Since I do not consider myself a member of your spiritualist classification, you'll forgive me if I say I have no idea what you are talking about.


true seekers of truth however, admit presence of seemingly unsolvable paradigms and aim to crack those puzzles they did not crack yet ,

all such seekers of past were confronted with extreme dilemmas and difficulties , they were not born 'all enlightened' .

So you are making spirituality a zero sum game? Where there are true seekers and untrue seekers?

This is a strange way to make a point.

I'm honestly at a loss for what your point is, except to attempt to invalidate mine.

This need not be a zero sum game. There is room for multiple points of view.

You do not need to pick a point of view at random in an attempt to validate your own.



So also in our times, and any future times, people will have to walk the path anew , for themselves to transcend yet more difficult puzzles and paradigms.

Not to get all Lao Tzu on you. But nothing is new.

[Agape]

Agape,

I am pretty sure that if I was horrible to people, that some would call me out on it, no matter what I look like. And as you have seen, a few have been mean to me anyway.

I meant, what is going on deep down inside in why people say and do certain things, nothing to do with their avatar or profile pic, although these things can influence.

Some people are nice to me and others for reasons other than what we look like in our photos...

That is not the point, though.


But this is something we all , unfortunately , have to experience on the internet, much more than in real life Amethyst ,

some people 'liking us' without any obvious reason to it, others 'disliking us' for no obvious reason,
simply because they presume we are someone who fits to their ideals , ideas , agendas or lack of ,

I'm sorry to hear of anyone being 'mean' to you here but more sorry to see the internet is full of such menace and the way how totally unrelated individuals with no knowledge of each others backgrounds comment on each other , respond or not , is often far from lovely .


It can't be also automatically given that 'we all' understand each other , by the look , or 'by the post' , some are enough with one wrong impression of individual , unbased, yet it's enough to turn them away . Misunderstandings can't be prevented .

I had a friend here ..with whom we later met in real life and became good friends who said that he's noticed me earlier ..long before .. but seeing my 'country flag' is Aaland Islands ( which for me , represents the 'Avalon' as I'm also , not wishing or willing to represent any country ) and thought automatically , I must be a jester . For that reason alone .

People have tendency to be petty minded . Most of us are also busy in many ways and can not spend unlimited time on forums in order to explain ourselves to everyone who doubt us ,
and doubt us in hidden ways , and not care to ask good questions .. as would any honest visitor to our living room .

I hope you can stay and feel protected by the forum , enjoy sharing your experiences and make the best of your time here .

I have my own mind on things in life - that I think I'm entitled to and I've seldom been mean to anyone , in my life time . Yet ... I've seen unrelated individuals with some human features finding fault with me for not being like them , not clapping with the crowd , not thinking the way they do .


;)

[Agape]

My point was neither directly or indirectly refuting yours
So why quote me?




DNAThe microcosm will translate to the macrocosm in this instance.
So the same can be said for societies.

is typical 'spiritualists' 'answer to everything' I referred to , in jest though, in my post .

For many people less is more. And for the record, I do not appreciate being pigeon holed with an off hand classification. I've never considered myself a spiritualist. More of a pragmatist.


A believe that everything is as it is because it should be because I experience it as such .. in short , of course. Spiritualists don't like to face profound dilemmas ,

Since I do not consider myself a member of your spiritualist classification, you'll forgive me if I say I have no idea what you are talking about.


true seekers of truth however, admit presence of seemingly unsolvable paradigms and aim to crack those puzzles they did not crack yet ,

all such seekers of past were confronted with extreme dilemmas and difficulties , they were not born 'all enlightened' .

So you are making spirituality a zero sum game? Where there are true seekers and untrue seekers?

This is a strange way to make a point.

I'm honestly at a loss for what your point is, except to attempt to invalidate mine.

This need not be a zero sum game. There is room for multiple points of view.

You do not need to pick a point of view at random in an attempt to validate your own.



So also in our times, and any future times, people will have to walk the path anew , for themselves to transcend yet more difficult puzzles and paradigms.

Not to get all Lao Tzu on you. But nothing is new.


One attack after another, without caring to understand the meaning of my post .. and I sense a trend of your thoughts is victorious one ,

who am to tell you anything on the above ?


Be happy . I did not expect argument when posting to this thread, argument was evoked without my effort .
You seem to think we are here to take sides ?

Or that you or the moderators are here to test our knowledge and put someone, anyone, openly under pressure to prove themselves , and here you're on the 'correct side' and I'm not ?

Think of unity of principles rather than division if you want to think of better, spiritual world , I suggest . But whatever I say .. I really dislike being part of your argument .

[DNA]

My point was neither directly or indirectly refuting yours
So why quote me?




DNAThe microcosm will translate to the macrocosm in this instance.
So the same can be said for societies.

is typical 'spiritualists' 'answer to everything' I referred to , in jest though, in my post .

For many people less is more. And for the record, I do not appreciate being pigeon holed with an off hand classification. I've never considered myself a spiritualist. More of a pragmatist.


A believe that everything is as it is because it should be because I experience it as such .. in short , of course. Spiritualists don't like to face profound dilemmas ,

Since I do not consider myself a member of your spiritualist classification, you'll forgive me if I say I have no idea what you are talking about.


true seekers of truth however, admit presence of seemingly unsolvable paradigms and aim to crack those puzzles they did not crack yet ,

all such seekers of past were confronted with extreme dilemmas and difficulties , they were not born 'all enlightened' .

So you are making spirituality a zero sum game? Where there are true seekers and untrue seekers?

This is a strange way to make a point.

I'm honestly at a loss for what your point is, except to attempt to invalidate mine.

This need not be a zero sum game. There is room for multiple points of view.

You do not need to pick a point of view at random in an attempt to validate your own.



So also in our times, and any future times, people will have to walk the path anew , for themselves to transcend yet more difficult puzzles and paradigms.

Not to get all Lao Tzu on you. But nothing is new.


One attack after another, without caring to understand the meaning of my post .. and I sense a trend of your thoughts is victorious one ,

who am to tell you anything on the above ?


Be happy . I did not expect argument when posting to this thread, argument was evoked without my effort .
You seem to think we are here to take sides ?

Or that you or the moderators are here to test our knowledge and put someone, anyone, openly under pressure to prove themselves , and here you're on the 'correct side' and I'm not ?

Think of unity of principles rather than division if you want to think of better, spiritual world , I suggest . But whatever I say .. I really dislike being part of your argument .

The entire point of your posts on this thread is to be antagonistic.
Is this a construct to garner you attention?

[Agape]

The entire point of your posts on this thread is to be antagonistic.
Is this a construct to garner you attention?



Garner attention ? Beautiful, so I suppose I can't post on this forum without being accused of garnering attention , for being a witness .. because 'we are all the same' in your views , right or wrong ?

This thread I thought , started in good tune, I was wrong obviously about the level of tolerance to such an open minded debate . Now , if I don't answer to you .. it's a reason to blacken me and if I do , it is reason to point out that I am asking for attention .

There are people here starting threads every other day, asking for your attention dear, I did not do that to you.


:hand:

[DNA]

The entire point of your posts on this thread is to be antagonistic.
Is this a construct to garner you attention?



Garner attention ? Beautiful, so I suppose I can't post on this forum without being accused of garnering attention , for being a witness .. because 'we are all the same' in your views , right or wrong ?

This thread I thought , started in good tune, I was wrong obviously about the level of tolerance to such an open minded debate . Now , if I don't answer to you .. it's a reason to blacken me and if I do , it is reason to point out that I am asking for attention .

There are people here starting threads every other day, asking for your attention dear, I did not do that to you.


:hand:

I'm not accusing, I'm stating the obvious

[Agape]

I'm not accusing, I'm stating the obvious


You are being sarcastic and manipulative : stating the obvious is your statement, no one else holds the same view here about 'stating the obvious' .
As I said previously , my posting with your quote in headline on previous page was not serving any contradiction ,
you used it later to 'teach me' ( you think ? ) on how you can't make any sense of what I said , and nothing is new under the Sun and so forth .

You're repeating tactics that has been used numerous times on forums, to take someone down - anyone I can tell you - if you try .

Even if you make the moderator team to go after me and send me out .. I have no regrets here whatsoever,
your replies here were good joke .

:angel:



Piloting a flying saucer doesn't make you any more spiritually advanced than piloting an airplane.


It's a good joke . That's all it is . You can't logically prove or disprove any of your statements . It just made me smile .

[shadowstalker]

So I have had ppl tell me I am

Reptilian (someone from the forum)
Apollonian (someone from the forum)
Pleiadian (the quiz from this thread)

So that makes me:
33% Reptilian
33% Apollonian
33% Pleiadian
1% Wierd(ian)

:cantina:

[DNA]

I'm not accusing, I'm stating the obvious


You are being sarcastic and manipulative : stating the obvious is your statement, no one else holds the same view here about 'stating the obvious' .
As I said previously , my posting with your quote in headline on previous page was not serving any contradiction ,
you used it later to 'teach me' ( you think ? ) on how you can't make any sense of what I said , and nothing is new under the Sun and so forth .

You're repeating tactics that has been used numerous times on forums, to take someone down - anyone I can tell you - if you try .

Even if you make the moderator team to go after me and send me out .. I have no regrets here whatsoever,
your replies here were good joke .

:angel:



Piloting a flying saucer doesn't make you any more spiritually advanced than piloting an airplane.


It's a good joke . That's all it is . You can't logically prove or disprove any of your statements . It just made me smile .

I"m not trying to prove or disprove anything. And here we have the crux of the matter. You singled me out and started needling me for that single silly statement I made. Not because I made it, but because Bill said something about it.

Think about it.

You're doing it now as well.

You're like a jealous child acting out because one of your siblings is getting more attention than you.

I'm putting you on ignore

Say what you want, I'm putting you on the ignore list so I don't have to read your posts anymore.

[RunningDeer]

This is a strange thread. There’s no continuity to it.

It may be that I’m hypersensitive today, but for what it’s worth, I’m puzzled by it.

My suggestion is call it a day. Better yet, close the thread.

Respectfully,
Paula


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/stretch_zps4c1ec564.jpg

[SPIRIT WOLF]

The entire point of your posts on this thread is to be antagonistic.
Is this a construct to garner you attention?



Garner attention ? Beautiful, so I suppose I can't post on this forum without being accused of garnering attention , for being a witness .. because 'we are all the same' in your views , right or wrong ?

This thread I thought , started in good tune, I was wrong obviously about the level of tolerance to such an open minded debate . Now , if I don't answer to you .. it's a reason to blacken me and if I do , it is reason to point out that I am asking for attention .

There are people here starting threads every other day, asking for your attention dear, I did not do that to you.


:hand:

I'm not accusing, I'm stating the obvious

I think you owe Agape an apology my friend, and yes perhaps wiser to close this thread as someones ego is getting in the way

[Omni]

I've always disliked the accusation of attention seeking. I tend to think very few contactees and abductees are actually attention seeking. People tend to just think you are crazy. Being a contactee isn't all peaches n cream... At least not for me...

[shadowstalker]

I've always disliked the accusation of attention seeking. I tend to think very few contactees and abductees are actually attention seeking. People tend to just think you are crazy. Being a contactee isn't all peaches n cream... At least not for me...

Hear hear, I know what you mean, being looked at like you're nuts or someone trying to use psychology on you, is very disheartening, and then after that they have the nuts and ask "well if it's really happening why aren't more ppl talking about it?"

"Well just look at the way you treat your own friends and then maybe you will get your answer". is my usual response.

[ghostrider]

There are no pleadians , they are called plejaren ... the word pleadian was created by the plejaren to openly expose hoaxers ...

[raregem]

There are no pleadians , they are called plejaren ... the word pleadian was created by the plejaren to openly expose hoaxers ...

I have the impression the true name is Elyaren. I will try to find where I read this.
Pleadian /Pleyaren / Elyaren.......

[Rich]

sound consciousness has asked the same thing others have before on Avalon, yet some of the replies he got seem a bit dismissive and disrespectful (to me at least).

[sound consciousness]

Do you believe you are an extra terrestrial seed, and how would you recognize a fellow Pleiadian.

Since I first heard of that star system, I always felt a very strong connection to the Pleiades for no apparent reason. I was then told by Carol Clarke, without having asked her or mentioned it, that this is where I come from. She was the only psychic I got a reading from ever.

Pleiadians can be rash, intelligent, improvident, playful, reckless, creative, arrogant, upbeat, wayward and forgiving. That's the impression that I get when I look at myself.

Compared to many other folks on this planet, I find myself rather unattached to what I do and think. What interests me most is how I create, alone and with others. Naturally, I wanna do that with an attitude that is characterized by the adjectives I used in the last paragraph, which can be problematic.

I feel very powerful and often wanna use that power to interfere directly in any given situation, but that caused quite significant problems, even when I have the best intentions. To balance out my slaphappy tendencies, I found meditation, inner silence, restraint and clarity to be very useful. That brought me to visualizing the idea of going to a fulcrum of a given situation from where I can anchor and hold space for a process. At the fulcrum, activity is less agitated but more profound.

If you are of a higher consciousness, your job on Earth is clear; helping Earthlings to grow in consciousness. People on this planet are in a process. The process is what it's all about at the end of the day, in my opinion. Therefore, it's about helping people to get into "the flow." That's what controllers in general are afraid of more than anything else—a population that is moving vibrantly in a way that they can't predict or control. If you want to help people get into the flow, suspend your judgments and beliefs, because "the flow" isn't attached to any of these. Be pragmatic and ask yourself, "How can I help this person unfold and let the life inside him- or herself flow?" I have expanded on that in the thread "How to Heal Ourselves." (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74156-How-To-Heal-Ourselves)

http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-don-t-ask-yourself-what-the-world-needs-ask-yourself-what-makes-you-come-alive-and-then-go-do-howard-thurman-272977.jpg

There we go, Christian has summed it up completely, I do not need to show an earthly piece of paper about my Eartly educational prowess it comes directly from my Plejaren/ Pleiadian soul , that is what the thread is about , unconditional love..
You will also find that I was the first person to try to help Amethyst directly via a P.M. ,why would I want to hurt her for any reason
.quote:If you are of a higher consciousness, your job on Earth is clear; helping Earthlings to grow in consciousness. People on this planet are in a process. The process is what it's all about at the end of the day, in my opinion. Therefore, it's about helping people to get into "the flow." That's what controllers in general are afraid of more than anything else—a population that is moving vibrantly in a way that they can't predict or control. If you want to help people get into the flow, suspend your judgments and beliefs, because "the flow" isn't attached to any of these. Be pragmatic and ask yourself, "How can I help this person unfold and let the life inside him- or herself flow?" I have expanded on that in the thread "How to Heal Ourselves." (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74156-How-To-Heal-Ourselves)Conciousness is linked to sound harmonics a higher frequency , and when you have sympathetic resonance with someone you are on the same wavelength.

[Agape]

My point had nothing to do with forsaking technology in the pursuit of ancestral spiritual paths.
My point was that technology has nothing to do with spiritual evolution on an individual level.

The microcosm will translate to the macrocosm in this instance.
So the same can be said for societies.

It's interesting how the person who luckily put me on his ignore button so hopefully we can avoid further argument claims that he knows that 'technologies are not evolving us spiritually ' .

I long thought so ... but both ET encounters and this civilisation proved me otherwise and in future ,

people will have to discover peaceful resonance of their 'technical brain' and 'intuitive brain' to achieve higher spiritual elevation and unity . I think . If not we can well throw these c'm puters out of window and don't waste our time on damaging our brains here in this very effort .

I spent years in temple in Himalayas and did not touch any electronics at that time not to tamper with my meditation practice , I knew it was the best and would be the best .. had absolutely no impact - or connection - to ET technologies that are millions years forwards in evolution .

In short , I spent lots of time pondering about these questions , more than anyone I know of personally both due to my experience and sort of intelligence needing good answers .

However .. as Omni said ... anyone anytime in this civilisation claiming anything about intelligent ET contact can be singled out and called a cook ,
the lynching mob and mythology surrounding these topics are vast enough to prevent discernment .

I've done anything to anyone in life so that I'd have to feel like this , a criminal, suspicious among many for claiming ET data . It's the only reason why I'm here and the only reason why all in my human life goes awry .

:smow:

[chocolate]

This is a strange thread. There’s no continuity to it.

It may be that I’m hypersensitive today, but for what it’s worth, I’m puzzled by it.

My suggestion is call it a day. Better yet, close the thread.

Respectfully,
Paula


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/stretch_zps4c1ec564.jpg


Those were also my thoughts throughout.

But also, it did a good job showing me how well one can be kicked in the ... dust ( several of them actually ), and with several smiles, too.

[Natalia]

There we go, Christian has summed it up completely, I do not need to show an earthly piece of paper about my Eartly educational prowess it comes directly from my Plejaren/ Pleiadian soul , that is what the thread is about , unconditional love..
You will also find that I was the first person to try to help Amethyst directly via a P.M. ,why would I want to hurt her for any reason
.quote:If you are of a higher consciousness, your job on Earth is clear; helping Earthlings to grow in consciousness. People on this planet are in a process. The process is what it's all about at the end of the day, in my opinion. Therefore, it's about helping people to get into "the flow." That's what controllers in general are afraid of more than anything else—a population that is moving vibrantly in a way that they can't predict or control. If you want to help people get into the flow, suspend your judgments and beliefs, because "the flow" isn't attached to any of these. Be pragmatic and ask yourself, "How can I help this person unfold and let the life inside him- or herself flow?" I have expanded on that in the thread "How to Heal Ourselves." (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74156-How-To-Heal-Ourselves)Conciousness is linked to sound harmonics a higher frequency , and when you have sympathetic resonance with someone you are on the same wavelength.

Putting aside if you was trying to hurt me or not, or if you care or not, you did pm me a few times...I didn't feel comfortable...but I was polite and didn't share personal things with you...

I politely say now, I do not and did not want your help, thank you. I suggested this to you in another thread, and even told you that I felt a bit upset with something that you said, but you didn't listen...and got even harsher on another thread to me after...

There are some people who want your help, and who you have helped in some way, and you have shown (again) me how at times I need to be more assertive...

(I don't want people to think that I wanted you to help me and let you help me, in pms, when it was not true...you keep being suggestive of things that are not true, and this makes people want to explain themselves...I didn't want to reply to you again and told you to leave me alone...)...

[sound consciousness]

Do you believe you are an extra terrestrial seed, and how would you recognize a fellow Pleiadian.

Since I first heard of that star system, I always felt a very strong connection to the Pleiades for no apparent reason. I was then told by Carol Clarke, without having asked her or mentioned it, that this is where I come from. She was the only psychic I got a reading from ever.

Pleiadians can be rash, intelligent, improvident, playful, reckless, creative, arrogant, upbeat, wayward and forgiving. That's the impression that I get when I look at myself.

Compared to many other folks on this planet, I find myself rather unattached to what I do and think. What interests me most is how I create, alone and with others. Naturally, I wanna do that with an attitude that is characterized by the adjectives I used in the last paragraph, which can be problematic.

I feel very powerful and often wanna use that power to interfere directly in any given situation, but that caused quite significant problems, even when I have the best intentions. To balance out my slaphappy tendencies, I found meditation, inner silence, restraint and clarity to be very useful. That brought me to visualizing the idea of going to a fulcrum of a given situation from where I can anchor and hold space for a process. At the fulcrum, activity is less agitated but more profound.

If you are of a higher consciousness, your job on Earth is clear; helping Earthlings to grow in consciousness. People on this planet are in a process. The process is what it's all about at the end of the day, in my opinion. Therefore, it's about helping people to get into "the flow." That's what controllers in general are afraid of more than anything else—a population that is moving vibrantly in a way that they can't predict or control. If you want to help people get into the flow, suspend your judgments and beliefs, because "the flow" isn't attached to any of these. Be pragmatic and ask yourself, "How can I help this person unfold and let the life inside him- or herself flow?" I have expanded on that in the thread "How to Heal Ourselves." (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74156-How-To-Heal-Ourselves)

http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-don-t-ask-yourself-what-the-world-needs-ask-yourself-what-makes-you-come-alive-and-then-go-do-howard-thurman-272977.jpg

There we go, Christian has summed it up completely, I do not need to show an earthly piece of paper about my Eartly educational prowess it comes directly from my Plejaren/ Pleiadian soul , that is what the thread is about , unconditional love..
.quote:If you are of a higher consciousness, your job on Earth is clear; helping Earthlings to grow in consciousness. People on this planet are in a process. The process is what it's all about at the end of the day, in my opinion. Therefore, it's about helping people to get into "the flow." That's what controllers in general are afraid of more than anything else—a population that is moving vibrantly in a way that they can't predict or control. If you want to help people get into the flow, suspend your judgments and beliefs, because "the flow" isn't attached to any of these. Be pragmatic and ask yourself, "How can I help this person unfold and let the life inside him- or herself flow?" I have expanded on that in the thread "How to Heal Ourselves." (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74156-How-To-Heal-Ourselves)Conciousness is linked to sound harmonics a higher frequency , and when you have sympathetic resonance with someone you are on the same wavelength.

IS there anymore Pleiadian seeds out there , especially from the native American Indians,,,,linked to the twisted hair tribe or any other tribe?Isay Pleiadian due to the 7 sisters stars divine feminine energy
.quote:Native Americans were guided by the constellations and created ancient star maps. Legend has it that they exist at the centre of the Earth or 'Turtle Island'. That beyond them was the sky and that beyond the sky were dimensional portals or sky holes. Beyond the dimensional portals was an area that they call the 'Ocean of Pitch', were the beauty of the night sky and the galaxies spun out towards them. Beyond that were the boundaries of the universe. And that set along the rim at the boundaries of the universe were 4 different extraterrestrial groups.

One Native American legend ties the Pleiades to the home of a Saviour. Some believe that all tribes in North America came from the Pleiades. That they are actually descendants and had been given a task by the Pleiadians to keep the Earth safe.

[Agape]

So I have had ppl tell me I am

Reptilian (someone from the forum)
Apollonian (someone from the forum)
Pleiadian (the quiz from this thread)

So that makes me:
33% Reptilian
33% Apollonian
33% Pleiadian
1% Wierd(ian)

:cantina:


There's always a HOPE ;) of finding advanced intelligence on Earth . Or in Space . Where does he/she/it come from really does not matter to me ..

I think it's why we are all gathered here ..

in this weird thread ..;)


For 'what if' .....:hug:


http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/ten-ways-to-search-for-intelligent-life-in-the-universe-41547340/?no-ist

Ten Ways to Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

If radio messages are out, try looking for asteroid mining, planetary pollutants, or alien artifacts here on Earth


1 ) Optical SETI: Russian and American scientists have been searching the skies periodically for the last couple of decades looking for laser light, which is not only distinguishable from other natural types of light, such as starlight, but could only be produced by an intelligent source.

2 ) Look for huge alien structures: When people bring this one up, the best example is always the Dyson sphere, a hypothetical structure that a civilization would build around an entire star to capture all of its energy.

3 ) Find evidence of asteroid mining: Humans are already looking at the asteroids in our solar system and considering their potential for mining, so why wouldn’t an alien civilization do the same? Evidence could include changes in the chemical composition of the asteroid, the size distribution of debris surrounding it, or other thermal changes that could be detected from Earth.

4 ) Check planetary atmospheres for pollutants: If there are non-natural chemicals, such as chlorofluorocarbons, in a planet’s atmosphere, it’s a sign that there might be someone with technology on the ground.

5 ) Look for signs of stellar engineering: For now, this is the stuff of science fiction, but a civilization capable of tinkering with a star would surely be of interest to us Earthlings.

6 ) Look for an alien artifact here on Earth: Earth has been around for billions of years—who says that aliens haven’t been here before? If they visited long ago, perhaps they left behind something in a difficult-to-reach spot, such as at the bottom of the ocean.

7 ) Find a pattern in neutrinos: Davies points out in his book that neutrinos, those ghostly subatomic particles, are probably better suited for bringing a message over a long distance than either radio or optical signals. A message would have to be simple—transmitted in a sort of alien Morse code—but we could detect it here on Earth.

8 ) Check for a message in DNA: DNA is just another way to encode information. Aliens, or even just an alien probe, could have visited Earth long ago and inserted a message into some ancestral creature. Of course, there are several hurdles to such an idea, as Davies notes—getting the message here, getting it into a critter, keeping it from getting destroyed by mutations over perhaps millions of years—but it certainly an intriguing possibility.

9 ) Find a propulsion signature from an alien spacecraft: Hey, if it worked for the Vulcans in Star Trek, why not us?

10 ) Invite ET to log on: A group of scientists have set up a web site asking for an extra-terrestrial intelligence to send them an e-mail. So far all the responses have been hoaxes, but asking for a shout-out never really hurts.




Quote ( anonymous scientist ) : ''I'm a staunch supporter of scientific method . '' True scientist should not disregard any option ..

:party:

[Christine]

The measure by which I hold myself is summed up in the lines quoted below .. I am not Christian in the understood sense of the word, any more than I AM Pleiadian, Arcturian, Lyrian or Sirian. All I can know is that when I read this passage for the first time I knew the Truth of it and what it woke in me, a longing to BE home.

I often wonder what is to be gained by a thread of this nature only to be reminded we are like stones in a river, being swept along in a current bumping up against each other, smoothing and polishing each other, helping expose and then let go of our differences so we can appreciate Truth, which is Beauty, which is TRUTH.


The Way of Love

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

If I give away all I have, and f I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love,I gain nothing.

Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.  For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.

When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a (wo)man, I gave up childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.

So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

[chocolate]

When it comes to trying to be 'a part from', or from someplace, that is a normal situation we all have gone through, at least those who are willing to admit they have thought about it. Or are we all going to say we have reached the point of oneness, and self-realization, where there are no more questions to be asked?

We are indeed many stones in a river, at least while we are at it here, in this world. So some bumps are to be expected. But I thought we have gathered here, on this particular forum, to try and find a way to co-exist together, and not to make one another feel awkward for being (by design) a bit different.

There is nothing to be ashamed for in asking a question, but there is obviously some energy that needs clearing, from what I am witnessing here.
I noticed sound consciousness to have had some hard time on other threads, so this one came as no surprise.

BTW, if we are talking about piloting via the mind, then there is a big difference between doing it in a space craft and in an airplane. Or did we think the autopilot is the same as using one's mind? That is just a side remark here, no need for attacks of any sort directed at humble new chocolate.

[Becky]

I've recently been having a conversation with a friend about where our souls 'come from' . I find this a complicated and confusing subject because we see time as linear, and we see/feel that our souls have had a history, when it's possible/likely that everything is happening now. So instead of having a history we are living our lives as souls in many different types of bodies all at once. This reminds me of a diamond with many facets - like our soul is a diamond and each facet is a life. And all these lives and experiences make up the 'whole' or 'soul' that we are.
I also think that because we have so much ET / alien intervention in our lives - some of us more than others but we are all affected in some way by the matrix around us, that this adds to the confusion, and it's very hard indeed to truly know our souls essence and truth. We have all come from Source and are part of Source, whether directly or indirectly. By this i mean even AI souls which feel they may not have come from Source must have, because everything is part of Source. And souls which are currently acting out STS are also part of source, even if we think they are 'further from source' that STO souls/beings.
We are all part of the whole, we all reflect different aspects of the whole. It doesn't matter what we were in a different life, or where we think our soul may have experienced other bodies and lives. Not really. It's fun to think on, and it may have some bearing on who we are today. The reason we forget is to not confuse us from our focus in life right here and now.We just have to try to live our truth and 'do unto others as we would have done to ourselves'. Life is very intricate and beautiful. It is incredibly complicated yet incredibly simple. A great dichotomy.

[sound consciousness]

quote: chocolate
There is nothing to be ashamed for in asking a question, but there is obviously some energy that needs clearing, from what I am witnessing here.
I noticed sound consciousness to have had some hard time on other threads, so this one came as no surprise.

Its very simple, Love is the key to raise our consciousness before we enter an area of the solar system that infuses our bodies and brain with higher energy vibration. In truth it is very hard to keep people together on any forum as the ego gets in the way and arguments are created. Secondly if you not have the same frequency as the person writing it causes a negative reaction. If we are moving into a higher vibrational area of space, then it only reinforces the importance for all of us to make the proper adjustments in order to take advantage of this opportunity. Everyone has a chance to dramatically raise their vibration but it may require some work. In other words, those who do not raise their vibrations may find it very difficult to move forward and may be left behind for another 26,000 year processional equinox time period while those who have done their work will move forward with Mother Earth.If we are moving into a higher vibrational area of space, then it only reinforces the importance for all of us to make the proper adjustments in order to take advantage of this opportunity. Everyone has a chance to dramatically raise their vibration but it may require some work. In other words, those who do not raise their vibrations may find it very difficult to move forward and may be left behind for another 26,000 year processional equinox time period while those who have done their work will move forward with Mother Earth.quote:autogonisticre David Wilcock video.

. If you both have the same frequency you have sympathetic resonance and peace.This is the stage we are now...

Those people who are still on a low frequency of sound fear and ego infrasonic sound , once the higher vibration comes to Earth , it will create a negative reaction , I do not have to tell you what happens then, therefore the battle is won, however not all people have raised their frequency high enough , that is why I have to be forceful. thanks

[OnyxKnight]

There are no pleadians , they are called plejaren ... the word pleadian was created by the plejaren to openly expose hoaxers ...

Wrong. There are pleiadians, if the location of origin is within/near the Pleiades cluster. The problem (which ties in with the "hoaxer" thing you mentioned), is that the pleiadians everybody else talked about are the same as the plejaren, at least in appearance (there are subtle differences in culture from source to source). This doesn't tarnish the fact that there are cultures that live there (most just haven't visited Earth, ever).

[RunningDeer]

that is why I have to be forceful. thanks

Good points, sound consciousness. Though, the last sentence jumped out at me. It may simply be that you wanted to bring home the point with one last short descriptor. I’d share that our definition of the word “forceful” is different.

At best, force is a temporary solution. For most it creates a backlash of resistance, anger, passive aggressive stance, etc. It’s been my experience that even if what I/we have to share is spot on, we’re not heard.

Whereas, one who expresses with her/his innate power, others feel their humanness, compassion, sincerity, or whatever label that fits. Thus there’s a greater chance that one’s sincere intent is ‘heard’ and processed on the unseen levels.

RunningDeer <3

[ghostrider]

There are no pleadians , they are called plejaren ... the word pleadian was created by the plejaren to openly expose hoaxers ...

Wrong. There are pleiadians, if the location of origin is within/near the Pleiades cluster. The problem (which ties in with the "hoaxer" thing you mentioned), is that the pleiadians everybody else talked about are the same as the plejaren, at least in appearance (there are subtle differences in culture from source to source). This doesn't tarnish the fact that there are cultures that live there (most just haven't visited Earth, ever).

as told by Ptaah , the pleadies in the night sky we see , is too young of a cluster to have life forms ... their home world is 80 light years beyond what we see as the pleadies in a different time space , the difference is only a fraction of a second , upon their withdraw from earth in 1995 they let the whole thing be told to the public http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_251 ... there are no pleadians , they used that as a cover story knowing many earth humans would claim to have contact with them ...

[Bill Ryan]

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Possibly of some interest here, I had a girlfriend for several years back in the early 1990s who'd come from the Pleiades. This (now) was/is her second incarnation on Earth. (This was not little Angi, the semi-ET, who I've written about before and who was ten years earlier.)

In her last lifetime, her first, she'd been unable to integrate very well with Earth humans and had ended up in a mental hospital where all kinds of dreadful things (ECT + drugs) were enforced on her. She was tall, slim, had beautiful blue eyes, long dark hair, and was extremely intelligent, aesthetic, sensitive and perceptive. This lifetime she had a congenital hearing loss (everything was very muffled, and no hearing aid would help), and skilled friends and I were able to assist her to quite some degree in her integration and recall of her experiences.

She told an interesting story — that she had left the Pleiades in some disgust because she was disillusioned with the recent gradual deterioration of their society, culture and values. So she came to Planet Earth for a breath of fresh air and a change — and, of course, to help out in any way if she could.

Like many who arrive here, she got rather more than she bargained for or was expecting. (Planet Earth is very beautiful, but also very tough to survive on, especially if one is an 'unhardened' newcomer.)

Non sequitur:

I repeat my direct question (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75112-Pleiadian-soul&p=878562&viewfull=1#post878562) to sound consciousness:





Why do you seek to invalidate others' direct, personal experiences by suggesting that this is delusion, triggered by fear?

You also did that to Amethyst, here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75098-Possible-Abduction-and-ET-Interference-Trauma&p=878247&viewfull=1#post878247


SORRY Amethyst, this sounds like Fear and the Imagination causing these strange happenings

This sounds like arrogance (on your part) to me. You asked me by PM why I was interested in your posts, after I had asked you what your academic background was (to which you did not reply).

I'm interested because I think you are throwing your weight around on the forum in a rather immature, grandstanding, and unhelpful way.


And yes, PMs are private. One may freely quote one's own message to another (one always owns what one writes), but not quote from anyone else.

[Sebastion]

So Sc, you are saying "I have to be forceful". Guess you never heard of the phrase that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Good luck with your "forcing". I don't like your chances.......

[ghostrider]

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Plejaren_Federation

[ghostrider]

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.figu.org%2Fch%2Fverein%2Fperiodika%2Fbulletin%2F1995%2Fnr-01%2Fabzug-der-plejaren

[Agape]

Bill , despite this not being personal question to me ...


Why do you seek to invalidate others' direct, personal experiences by suggesting that this is delusion, triggered by fear?

I don't see that this would be the case . Personally , I don't think that people entering this and other similar groups with hope to 'validate ' their personal experience works miracles .
Firstly, most of the feedback they can receive here , even if well meant is not something that would equal personal, prof counselling service .

There is great danger for many people being misguided and dragged around by many fancy comments around the forum, believing they're on right track now , seeing the bounty .

Besides that , 20 different therapists sorting you ( each of different worldview and opinion ) can't help a lot .

Amethyst is beautiful and strong girl .. but .. she's requested help here on many dissociated topics . Fingers crossed for her but I don't believe that internet forum is 'wishfullfilling cow' or panacea for all diseases . That's how the internet looks like to eyes of a child though, full of options . Mostly, there are but humans on the other side . It's hard to take in.

It's nice to see you around and it's always nice to see you're trying to protect some and secure 'only enlightened treatment' for them , as if it was possible .

I'm sometimes sick of the way I think you may potentially look upon me - really, because we don't know each other in real life - and with some people it matters a lot, and secondly , being in very vulnerable life situation , on thin ice with many people over the years .. for how is the world stand on ET data . The level of ridicule .

It's hard .. I am a victim to my own self-sarcasms a lot because I don't see much hope in communication with humans ,
and those who are potentially on the same track , are either same sour and cynical or worse .

If I was 'human' as you likely presume, invalidating my sense of identity , what would be the meaning of keeping staying on topic , with people who take me two categories lower on social scale than where I am ? I don't know the answer .. but this does not give sense to you either .. and without sarcasm , you don't ask people such 'silly questions' so I can imagine how yours and some others ideas run WILD .


Looking at what's going on here from sober and cultivated point of experience , someones wild ideas , emotions and confusions ..mine inclusive of course ..are not difficult to miss .


:hug:

[powessy]

I believe I am a Pleiadian soul, put onto the earth to do a job. Do you believe you are an extra terrestrial seed, and how would you recognize a fellow Pleiadian. Can you recognize a Pleiadians personal characteristics?. Secondly if you are from outer space E.T .,how does that make you different to Earthly people and what type of E.t. are you?


Hello Sound

The word here that seems to be misinterpreted by those writing here for and against you is SOUL. How much information does the soul bring with it if indeed it comes from somewhere else. How much information can you receive from the soul in this lifetime? What is a starseed? is it composed of thousands or millions of souls or only one soul seeding the earth? how many people on earth believe they are from other origins then earth? Is it possible we are all pleiadians all starseeds those of us searching the internet to explain these awakening thoughts we have about belonging.

The funniest thing here is we all talk about souls and thoughts of souls but does anyone realy understand the concept of the soul or where it is located or attached to yourself. Does anyone know what lies in wait after death, is it gold and silver, will you reincarnate, will there be something waiting for you on the other side to explain this life time and judge you, or will you just simply move down the reincarnation chain to fall within lower life forms due to karma.

Many people on forums around the internet believe they are from many different alien races, most have dreams or encounters of reptilians, white angelical beings, alien space craft, pleiadian, telepathy with hidden alien voices, other worldly dreams, astral projections, obes and many other things leading to there belief of this world around them. Are we all delusional and seeking a place to fit in a society that does not understand us, or should we try to categorize and put labels on our experiences to bond together.

My awakening places me into many groups seeking understanding of myself and the things I feel and see everyday. I speak to aliens or souls everyday trying to understand them and they trying to understand this world and us.
"They say you should try and become something inside yourselves to find the things you need to become to fix these worldly problems you have here on earth." The meaning of this is why do we not become many different skilled people working together to solve our problems here on earth instead of wasting our time writing about things that never come to fruit.

They find interest in things and do not understand why we work against each other like we do.


powessy

[Sidney]

Possibly of some interest here, I had a girlfriend for several years back in the early 1990s who'd come from the Pleiades.

Bill, i am curious how she said she got here? Or was she referring to a previous life?
I feel about my life here on earth, just as she did about her former home. Disenchanted, to say the least, however the cause of my disenchantment is most likely cause.by peoples.that also are not from here either.

I a glad we are back to topic, as I wanted to acknowledge here that the first time I saw the Pliaedes constellation, I was immediately drawn in by its beauty and I had no idea that it was the Plieades until a couple years later. And every time I see it, I have a feeling of longing and comfort inside my heart.. Does it mean I am from there? I have no clue, but there are many other breathtakingly beautiful things to see in the night sky, and I do not get those feelings, except when viewing the Plieades.
Perhaps I simply had some quality time there in a life gone past. I have not had a pleasant life experience here, yet i strongly believe that there is a reason for all the pain that humans endure here.

[DNA]

There are no pleadians , they are called plejaren ... the word pleadian was created by the plejaren to openly expose hoaxers ...

Wrong. There are pleiadians, if the location of origin is within/near the Pleiades cluster. The problem (which ties in with the "hoaxer" thing you mentioned), is that the pleiadians everybody else talked about are the same as the plejaren, at least in appearance (there are subtle differences in culture from source to source). This doesn't tarnish the fact that there are cultures that live there (most just haven't visited Earth, ever).

This was always a distasteful manuever I felt by Billy Meier.

As for myself, I have always felt the books by Wendelle Stevens on the Meier case, given full blessings by Meier were the definitive work on the contacts.

The title says it all. And after Meier gave his full blessing to Wendelle Stevens he then changes course with the name.
Potato - Patahta I always say. :hat:


http://www.ufohypotheses.com/PleiadesPrelim.jpg

[william r sanford72]

So I have had ppl tell me I am

Reptilian (someone from the forum)
Apollonian (someone from the forum)
Pleiadian (the quiz from this thread)

So that makes me:
33% Reptilian
33% Apollonian
33% Pleiadian
1% Wierd(ian)

:cantina:
:bump:
and...100% Human!!

truth and balance..

[DNA]

This is one of the best interviews I've ever seen Kerry Cassidy sharing her knowledge. The interviewer is top notch. I mention it here because Kerry starts off talking about the visit she and Bill Ryan had in Switzerland visiting the Billy Meier camp. This is good stuff.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCEuk-2pkbk

[OnyxKnight]

This was always a distasteful manuever I felt by Billy Meier.


Maybe he had his reasons for that. But I doubt they are justified. One of the biggest flaws I saw in his approach was the claim that everybody else was a charlatan, and he was the one and true contactee. Whether he meant any alien contact other than his own or just any other plejaren/pleiadian contact is not that relevant.



as told by Ptaah , the pleadies in the night sky we see , is too young of a cluster to have life forms ... their home world is 80 light years beyond what we see as the pleadies in a different time space , the difference is only a fraction of a second , upon their withdraw from earth in 1995 they let the whole thing be told to the public http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_251 ... there are no pleadians , they used that as a cover story knowing many earth humans would claim to have contact with them ...

The "Plejaren" didn't evolve there (wherever that is) either, they were colonists, so what does the age of the cluster have to do with that? If you wanna go by scientific notions, we can play with scientific notions instead, I have absolutely no problem with that.

Those same approaches some 10-15 years ago thought that there is no way that there could be any planets formed inside star clusters, because of the specific nature under which they form, and the structure they had, and it was thought that would prevent standard planet formation mechanisms. Since then, not only in the Pleiades, but in many star clusters since then, numerous planets have been discovered and are now considered common feature even in those environments.

Another finding is that a lot of these clusters get "contaminated" by stellar objects that did not originally formed with the cluster itself but got caught by the gravitational field and remained bound to the cluster, fixing themselves at a certain spot. Both younger and older stellar components in comparison with the existing native "flock". The Pleiades has quite a few of them, and a number of them have worlds where native life has not only reached complexity, but also intelligence and technological mastery. Some other worlds are only colonies, like I said before. So the very age of the cluster doesn't mean much, if the members bearing planets with biospheres are not native to that environment, but have become part of it during a certain time period.

Some of the cultures there have not even heard of the Earth, let alone visit here, or look like most sources depict anyone that comes from that region (not just anyone, but any-thing, would be another proper way to describe it). In addition to that there are 4 star systems "near" (background and foreground stars) where human-like life exists, those could be the plejaren, or one of them. In my opinion I think the "plejaren" could be the predecessors of the Menkent colonial wave. In essence genetically not that different than present-day folk in the Alpha Centauri planets. Quite a few things point to that.

In any case, here's some planet names that I can reference from transcribed notes, that are inhabited worlds there, you may (or may not) run into them in materials dealing with "pleiadians", be they past, present or -yet-to-be presented experiences:

Oria
Altor
Bordina
Teludra
Senvodon
Hanvalahk
Kizulahk
Shanrit
Senrit
Izabohr
Mytonor
Entoreb
Kaghina

[Bill Ryan]

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A little public service announcement here. The mods have unanimously decided to unsubscribe sound consciousness from the forum.

We sincerely respect his intention to teach and help — as we do anyone's — but it was the manner in which he interacted that was causing concern to quite a few, and personal distress to one or two.

I and the mods are pledged to do whatever we can to provide a safe and supportive place in which people can share and explore their experiences. While that cannot by definition ever be rigidly 'policed' (and it's not our place to do that!), and we each all of us have our own responsibility in taking the decision to share openly about ourselves, we do have to do the best we can. When members start to feel inhibited from posting or sharing because of what might come back at them rather too sharply, then it's our job to step in.

The actual words I personally wrote in the software-generated unsubscribe message — a little condensed, because it was character-limited, and therefore a little more brutal in its tone than I would have preferred — were:





Dear Dominic: the mods have decided to unsubscribe you from the forum. You come over as single-focused, intolerant, arrogant, and invalidative of others' experiences. We see no sign that you're willing to adapt or self-moderate. We wish you well.

[Stephanie]

This is a strange thread. There’s no continuity to it.

It may be that I’m hypersensitive today, but for what it’s worth, I’m puzzled by it.

My suggestion is call it a day. Better yet, close the thread.

Respectfully,
Paula


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/stretch_zps4c1ec564.jpg


Maybe I'm a little hypersensitive too. :confused:


I was a little slow there!...just saw Bill Ryans post.

[Bill Ryan]

:focus:


This is one of the best interviews I've ever seen Kerry Cassidy sharing her knowledge. The interviewer is top notch. I mention it here because Kerry starts off talking about the visit she and Bill Ryan had in Switzerland visiting the Billy Meier camp. This is good stuff.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCEuk-2pkbk

Thank you! I'm downloading this to watch with great interest. :)

An anecdote: When we went to Billy Meier's place, which was called THE SILVER STAR CENTER, we took a few photos, of course... including this one:

http://projectavalon.net/Kerry_Billy_Meier_Silver_Star_Center_Switzerland_2 007.jpg

The photo came out 'silver' (black and white). It was taken with a regular, good quality, digital camera, that ALWAYS records in color. The anomaly was unique, never happened before or since, and was inexplicable.

We told the story to our friend George Green. "Ah, the Pleiadians were sending you a message", he said, immediately. Those were our thoughts at the time, too — really.

[Limor Wolf]

Bill , despite this not being personal question to me ...


Why do you seek to invalidate others' direct, personal experiences by suggesting that this is delusion, triggered by fear?

I don't see that this would be the case . Personally , I don't think that people entering this and other similar groups with hope to 'validate ' their personal experience works miracles .
Firstly, most of the feedback they can receive here , even if well meant is not something that would equal personal, prof counselling service .

There is great danger for many people being misguided and dragged around by many fancy comments around the forum, believing they're on right track now , seeing the bounty .

Besides that , 20 different therapists sorting you ( each of different worldview and opinion ) can't help a lot .

Amethyst is beautiful and strong girl .. but .. she's requested help here on many dissociated topics . Fingers crossed for her but I don't believe that internet forum is 'wishfullfilling cow' or panacea for all diseases . That's how the internet looks like to eyes of a child though, full of options . Mostly, there are but humans on the other side . It's hard to take in.

It's nice to see you around and it's always nice to see you're trying to protect some and secure 'only enlightened treatment' for them , as if it was possible .

I'm sometimes sick of the way I think you may potentially look upon me - really, because we don't know each other in real life - and with some people it matters a lot, and secondly , being in very vulnerable life situation , on thin ice with many people over the years .. for how is the world stand on ET data . The level of ridicule .

It's hard .. I am a victim to my own self-sarcasms a lot because I don't see much hope in communication with humans ,
and those who are potentially on the same track , are either same sour and cynical or worse .

If I was 'human' as you likely presume, invalidating my sense of identity , what would be the meaning of keeping staying on topic , with people who take me two categories lower on social scale than where I am ? I don't know the answer .. but this does not give sense to you either .. and without sarcasm , you don't ask people such 'silly questions' so I can imagine how yours and some others ideas run WILD .


Looking at what's going on here from sober and cultivated point of experience , someones wild ideas , emotions and confusions ..mine inclusive of course ..are not difficult to miss .


:hug:

Agape, I hug you strongly (if you allow me, of course, I am a big round bear) and want to say this to you - We are as much victims as we allow ourselves to be, if we are having thoughts running in our minds requiring the need for other's validation to our existance (no matter who they are, and I get Bill's strong charisma and being a 'father figure') and to define to ourselves who we are (even if we were weakened by our childhood), then instead of achieving soverginity of beingness we may find ourselves distancing other's possible reached hand, I understand the struggle of not percieving ourselves as victims when so much of this nature was and is going on and I have a story related to that - I recently been in a situation where on one side I was given a 'not so nice treatment' and on the other side was supplied by that same hand with a book by Wyne Dyer on how to 'not become a victim' - oh, the nerve! but I read it and found some usefull stuff and kept my knowledge that the greatest weakness is that which is coming from bulying others, no matter if it is your related fellow humans, an institution or your state. How unsure of themselves they must be.. I guess that what I am (lamely) trying to say is that we may be listened to or ignored or poked with or get a lot of positive attention, at the end of the day it may be up to us to put the value into our own embodied spirit, this may also contribute to change in our own experience.

An emotonal deprivision, so easy to acquire on this planet as a form of experience, we must fulfill in ourselves first and foremost, and being the strong, unique and absolutely inteligent, sensitive and wise woman that you are you may be the only one who can validate your own sense of identity, no other one can. You deserved it long ago.

If this post may not be helpful, despite the lack of any ill intention, then please don't hesitate to say the word and I will delete it immediatly. I find much resonance in many of the things that you express here and I am thankful that we can share this space together

:hug:

Limor

[ghostrider]

Henoch's peoples split into two lineages , one went the way of Lyra and the other became the plejaren ... The plejaren became responsible for earth for their ancestors the old lyrians came to earth and we seen as gods , angels , spirits , breaking a creational law , taking advantage of a lower evolved life forms ... the plejaren have brought spiritual teaching to earth for the last 13,500 years , as their brothers( the old lyrians) were responsible for most of the earth's past troubles ... some of the old lyrians come from another Universe ...

[ghostrider]

Billy is the only contactee with the plejaren on earth , for he can shut off his earth feelings , and his vibration is a match for theirs , as he is connected by a family bloodline ... they can't be around other earth humans for more than 15 minutes or they ( ET's ) get sick ... On earth the plejaren send impulses to leaders , or scientist , the people they do this to have no idea it comes from the ET's ... They speak on other worlds but , on earth he is their spokesman , actually he is their spiritual teacher , being the incarnated spirit of Henoch ... He has also been learning their symbol language since age five ... They say he understands over one million symbols , which are used in spirit telepathy for translating their conversations the next day ... not bad for a one armed farmer with a sixth grade education ...

[OnyxKnight]

On earth the plejaren send impulses to leaders , or scientist , the people they do this to have no idea it comes from the ET's ...

Pard the language, so is this entire cluster**** at present all their fault then? Either they have a very destructive agenda for us, or they are not very good at communicating whatever they are communicating to key people.

Also, the "lyrans" were "sculpted" and bred here, in the Milky Way, they were not FEDEX-ed from another universe.

[ghostrider]

:focus:


This is one of the best interviews I've ever seen Kerry Cassidy sharing her knowledge. The interviewer is top notch. I mention it here because Kerry starts off talking about the visit she and Bill Ryan had in Switzerland visiting the Billy Meier camp. This is good stuff.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCEuk-2pkbk

Thank you! I'm downloading this to watch with great interest. :)

An anecdote: When we went to Billy Meier's place, which was called THE SILVER STAR CENTER, we took a few photos, of course... including this one:

http://projectavalon.net/Kerry_Billy_Meier_Silver_Star_Center_Switzerland_2 007.jpg

The photo came out 'silver' (black and white). It was taken with a regular, good quality, digital camera, that ALWAYS records in color. The anomaly was unique, never happened before or since, and was inexplicable.

We told the story to our friend George Green. "Ah, the Pleiadians were sending you a message", he said, immediately. Those were our thoughts at the time, too — really.

They have a cloaked telemeter disk above the center that monitors everything , it is a direct link to the great spacer ... there has been so many attempts on
Billy's life and attempted kidnappings of the children ... they wanted you to know , they saw you , they are still watching over earth ... I love Wendell's story about the secret government stealing information in a folder locking it in a safe , and that night the plejaren removed from the safe by teleportation and placed it back in Wendell's room ...

[ghostrider]

On earth the plejaren send impulses to leaders , or scientist , the people they do this to have no idea it comes from the ET's ...

Pard the language, so is this entire cluster**** at present all their fault then? Either they have a very destructive agenda for us, or they are not very good at communicating whatever they are communicating to key people.

Also, the "lyrans" were "sculpted" and bred here, in the Milky Way, they were not FEDEX-ed from another universe.

according to the information in the case , in their neck of the woods their ancestors destroyed an entire galaxy , they don't want us making the same mistakes ... They know first hand what happens when no creational laws and recommendations are followed = War and Death and suffering ... We are poised to repeat history , lose our atmosphere or blow our planet up ...

[GoodETxSG]

Ths is off topic of the OP's Thread but is an example of why I created another Thread... I Probably should have named it completely differently as it did have the appearance af labling people who are not the most sensative of communicators. I Tried to rectify that in later posts... I WAS/AM NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY ONE PERSON OR SINGLING ANY ONE OUT.

We are not all HERE for the same reasons... experiences and views of those experiences vary greatly. I wanted it to cause self reflection...

The title of my thread may have been off putting to many and they avoided it all together... I so wish i had now!
I didnt mean it to be divisive. (Sorry for format, I had shoulder surgery YDay, am typing w/one hand & a bit Loopy on pain killers...).

Thread: Don't Feed The Narcissistic, Psychopathic, and Sadistic TROLL'S!!!
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74972-Don-t-Feed-The-Narcissistic-Psychopathic-and-Sadistic-TROLL-S---


Why is it such a sensitive topic on This Forum as opposed to your average Forum? This Forum is a Safe Haven for many people who believe they are Genuine Victims and “Experiencer's” of some Extremely Controversial and Sadistic “Other Worldly” Agenda's, Government Programs and Complicated Scenario's that have a lasting or continued traumatic effect on their lives.

Some of the people are here to learn more about UFO's after a personal sighting, Some people are here out of a “Sci-Fi” hobbyist or “Dungeons and Dragons” mentality. Some people come to take part in some of the “Non-Mainstream” Scientific Theory Discussions and out of curiosity cross over to other Threads.

We may notice in many Forum Threads that certain behavior of members that we chalk up to being insensitive, socially awkward, manipulative or just downright rude seem to take on a pattern. When does their (Our OUR) behavior cross over into the antisocial behavior know as “Online Disinhibition” or the Narcissistic, Psychopathic, and Sadistic “Troll” Behavior?...
At Thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74972-Don-t-Feed-The-Narcissistic-Psychopathic-and-Sadistic-TROLL-S---) if you want to read further. ...)

[Robin]

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Possibly of some interest here, I had a girlfriend for several years back in the early 1990s who'd come from the Pleiades. This (now) was/is her second incarnation on Earth. (This was not little Angi, the semi-ET, who I've written about before and who was ten years earlier.)

In her last lifetime, her first, she'd been unable to integrate very well with Earth humans and had ended up in a mental hospital where all kinds of dreadful things (ECT + drugs) were enforced on her.

Thanks for sharing this, Bill. It gladdens my heart to hear of stories such as this, as it makes me feel less lonely. :)

I, too, am an E.T. soul, though it was not revealed to me from where my soul originates. Also, just like your past girlfriend, this is my second incarnation on this planet. And I, too, was questioned for my mental health in my past lifetime, and people to this day still believe the story that I committed suicide. It's a shame, really, because if people knew the Truth about my past life, and the fact that I was assassinated for what I found, they all would start questioning the validity of our history books...;)

EDIT: And much of the melancholy I feel in this incarnation is a carry-over from my previous one...

[DNA]

I don't mean to keep going to the Meier well, but the well is deep and the water sweet. :)

I remember a crazy phrase I heard out of the Meier literature, the statement was "If you as a space traveler die on another planet, your soul then becomes tied into the reincarnation cycle of that planet".

When I read that I was like holy Carpo Diem. I was pretty blown away.

In a related vein, I read in Michael Newton's "Journey of the soul" books about how some 10% of folks he regresses have off world incarnational history. Michael Newton while talking to one such person in a deep state of hypnosis where the ego was dropped and soul shone forth was told not to elevate someone just because they are of off world stock, where at times you do have some really high quality spiritual beings, you at other times have some real monsters.

[Agape]

Agape, I hug you strongly (if you allow me, of course, I am a big round bear) and want to say this to you - We are as much victims as we allow ourselves to be, if we are having thoughts running in our minds requiring the need of other's validation to our existance (no matter who they are, and I get Bill's strong charisma and being a 'father figure') and to define to ourselves who we are (even if we were weakened by our childhood), then instead of achieving soverginity of beingness we may find ourselves distancing other's possible reached hand, I understand the struggle of not percieving ourselves as victims when so much of this nature was and is going on and I have a story related to that - I recently been in a situation where on one side I was given a 'not so nice treatment' and on the other side was supplied by that same hand with a book by Wyne Dyer on how to 'not become a victim' - oh, the nerve! but I read it and found some usefull stuff and kept my knowledge that the greatest weakness is that which is coming from bulying others, no matter if it is your related fellow humans, an institution or your state. How unsure of themselves they must be.. I guess that what I am (lamely) trying to say is that we may be listened to or ignored or poked with or get a lot of positive attention, at the end of the day it may be up to us to put the value into our own embodied spirit, this may also contribute to change in our own experience.

An emotonal deprivision, so easy to acquire on this planet as a form of experience, we must fulfill in ourselves first and foremost, and being the strong, unique and absolutely inteligent, sensitive and wise woman that you are you may be the only one who can validate your own sense of identity, no other one can. You deserved it long ago.

If this post may not be helpful, despite any ill intention, then please don't hesitate to say the word and I will delete it immediatly. I find much resonance in many of the things that you express here and I am thankful that we can share this space together

:hug:

Limor


Limor nope, thanks , that's very helpful and very truthful post and you know we are talking of the same principles here at many times , in many forms ..

I did not speak of myself in the above post , except for the later part . I did not come to internet ( or forum, to be more specific ) to validate my experience .
I've tried to address the problem that I think Natalie /Amethyst complained about ..though, I may not understand the whole of her situation and why SC aka Dominic was singled out for being too offensive , whether he was to someone in our back or not, I don't know , I can't say .

It's also difficult to explain WHY exactly do I find myself, very often , fighting for rights of the weakest of the weak among us , especially those who are already sequestered for 'termination' , not speaking of forums alone,
I do that in real life too .

I don't think I have a 'victim based personality' , it does not go well with me ... I'm also not the type of person who would go around to talk easily ,
most things in life I suffered through silently .. with very many years of zero option to trust or tell someone .. yet , much later I found how those experienced resulted indirectly in deepening my wisdom and those around me so at the end , I considered them blessing .
So no, even if I have moments ( usually short and stormy ) when I blame someone .. I have never considered myself a 'victim' even if I were,
here unfortunately from tiny age I was brought up to be responsible . And also a silent sufferer .. since I've been always thinking more .. so that others do not suffer, on my behalf .

Oh .. and this 'internet adventure' .. is not anything I ever intended to happen . I still find very difficult to accept some of it even if it's for a moment .
In real life .. estimating people, spiritually, mentally and physically is not difficult for me , I worked with people on many levels .. and I think , I'm quite good in knowing who they are .
As a woman , wise and intuitive as you are, I think you can understand this aspect very well .
As an extra-terrestrial as well .

I never aimed to validate my experiences .. with human people, why would I ? I've received full set of information on all levels needed to express myself about it if I was heard . Not over the internet , that can't ever happen . This tool- human body - is not type writer . The computer technology too is human .

I'm stuck here , quite a bit .. for more than one reason... very happy to share the virtual space with you , and all of you , hope I'm not sounding ungrateful because that's not what it is ,

but I have to live with being seen in wrong light - it has bad impact on me - and no matter what would I say .. these things are 'trends' . They're not 'in my mind' I can assure you .


Peace to you :angel:

[SPIRIT WOLF]

No matter what term is used, the terms have now become deeply embedded within the mythology of ufology, there is not an ounce of scientific evidence or proof that any of these beings actually exists. Within the alternative community, research community and ufology, its spoken about by many with authority and as each time its mentioned it further cements the notion that these beings exist because so many people have spoken about them so it has to be true. In short its really hearsay that they exist, same goes for the likewise deeply embedded mythos of reptilians, dracos and the like.

[OnyxKnight]

No matter what term is used, the terms have now become deeply embedded within the mythology of ufology, there is not an ounce of scientific evidence or proof that any of these beings actually exists. Within the alternative community, research community and ufology, its spoken about by many with authority and as each time its mentioned it further cements the notion that these beings exist because so many people have spoken about them so it has to be true. In short its really hearsay that they exist, same goes for the likewise deeply embedded mythos of reptilians, dracos and the like.

And you are here on this forum that deals with these things for .. what exactly? Change our opinions/perceptions/experiences? If you are all about scientific evidence and proof of everything you are on the wrong platform buddy.

[Limor Wolf]

Agape, I hug you strongly (if you allow me, of course, I am a big round bear) and want to say this to you - We are as much victims as we allow ourselves to be, if we are having thoughts running in our minds requiring the need of other's validation to our existance (no matter who they are, and I get Bill's strong charisma and being a 'father figure') and to define to ourselves who we are (even if we were weakened by our childhood), then instead of achieving soverginity of beingness we may find ourselves distancing other's possible reached hand, I understand the struggle of not percieving ourselves as victims when so much of this nature was and is going on and I have a story related to that - I recently been in a situation where on one side I was given a 'not so nice treatment' and on the other side was supplied by that same hand with a book by Wyne Dyer on how to 'not become a victim' - oh, the nerve! but I read it and found some usefull stuff and kept my knowledge that the greatest weakness is that which is coming from bulying others, no matter if it is your related fellow humans, an institution or your state. How unsure of themselves they must be.. I guess that what I am (lamely) trying to say is that we may be listened to or ignored or poked with or get a lot of positive attention, at the end of the day it may be up to us to put the value into our own embodied spirit, this may also contribute to change in our own experience.

An emotonal deprivision, so easy to acquire on this planet as a form of experience, we must fulfill in ourselves first and foremost, and being the strong, unique and absolutely inteligent, sensitive and wise woman that you are you may be the only one who can validate your own sense of identity, no other one can. You deserved it long ago.

If this post may not be helpful, despite any ill intention, then please don't hesitate to say the word and I will delete it immediatly. I find much resonance in many of the things that you express here and I am thankful that we can share this space together

:hug:

Limor


Limor nope, thanks , that's very helpful and very truthful post and you know we are talking of the same principles here at many times , in many forms ..

I did not speak of myself in the above post , except for the later part . I did not come to internet ( or forum, to be more specific ) to validate my experience .
I've tried to address the problem that I think Natalie /Amethyst complained about ..though, I may not understand the whole of her situation and why SC aka Dominic was singled out for being too offensive , whether he was to someone in our back or not, I don't know , I can't say .

It's also difficult to explain WHY exactly do I find myself, very often , fighting for rights of the weakest of the weak among us , especially those who are already sequestered for 'termination' , not speaking of forums alone,
I do that in real life too .

I don't think I have a 'victim based personality' , it does not go well with me ... I'm also not the type of person who would go around to talk easily ,
most things in life I suffered through silently .. with very many years of zero option to trust or tell someone .. yet , much later I found how those experienced resulted indirectly in deepening my wisdom and those around me so at the end , I considered them blessing .
So no, even if I have moments ( usually short and stormy ) when I blame someone .. I have never considered myself a 'victim' even if I were,
here unfortunately from tiny age I was brought up to be responsible . And also a silent sufferer .. since I've been always thinking more .. so that others do not suffer, on my behalf .

Oh .. and this 'internet adventure' .. is not anything I ever intended to happen . I still find very difficult to accept some of it even if it's for a moment .
In real life .. estimating people, spiritually, mentally and physically is not difficult for me , I worked with people on many levels .. and I think , I'm quite good in knowing who they are .
As a woman , wise and intuitive as you are, I think you can understand this aspect very well .
As an extra-terrestrial as well .

I never aimed to validate my experiences .. with human people, why would I ? I've received full set of information on all levels needed to express myself about it if I was heard . Not over the internet , that can't ever happen . This tool- human body - is not type writer . The computer technology too is human .

I'm stuck here , quite a bit .. for more than one reason... very happy to share the virtual space with you , and all of you , hope I'm not sounding ungrateful because that's not what it is ,

but I have to live with being seen in wrong light - it has bad impact on me - and no matter what would I say .. these things are 'trends' . They're not 'in my mind' I can assure you .


Peace to you :angel:

Hi Agape, I am so glad that you have found this 'internet advanture', and see, even on cyber space we can 'have a feel' for each other. I was not so much posting as a response to your direct words, but more as something general that at times hover above your various posts. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, your theme seems to be that many times you feel 'misunderstood', I can see how it came to be, but it may also fall under the category of victimhood, I do know that sometimes there are damn good reasons for why life has brought us to this place.

My own theme is - 'I can not speak or allowed to have a proper voice or presence'..(more in real life than on the net). Was there any special reason for anyone to bring us to this place? maybe yes or maybe no, but we may be supporting just that by keeping on looking outside and making comparisons, why others did and I didn't.. someone else's information was accepted with more attentivness than mine, I am invisible.. etc, etc. It is all eventually sums up our own inner feelings.. Now, please wish me luck, because I need to work on something that exactly relates to this and I know it's a long road.. I can justify my inner thoughts and feelings by continously repeating to myself what had happened to me so far and why I am okay to react like that, but truth is, that it doesn't serve me well, and it does serve the other attitude which is not to our favour as soverign beings.

God help us :) (Or should we help ourselves?)

To be an 'underdog' is also a role, to be the constant distant 'observer' is also one. I hope we will be able to take a few steps outside of this, (if we only wish..) and see if these defence walls are worth to break.

Thanks for reading

And Peace to you, dear Eva :angel:

[Agape]

No matter what term is used, the terms have now become deeply embedded within the mythology of ufology, there is not an ounce of scientific evidence or proof that any of these beings actually exists. Within the alternative community, research community and ufology, its spoken about by many with authority and as each time its mentioned it further cements the notion that these beings exist because so many people have spoken about them so it has to be true. In short its really hearsay that they exist, same goes for the likewise deeply embedded mythos of reptilians, dracos and the like.

And you are here on this forum that deals with these things for .. what exactly? Change our opinions/perceptions/experiences? If you are all about scientific evidence and proof of everything you are on the wrong platform buddy.


:haha: It's likely going to turn to another grotesque evening here ..

Barry ( SpiritWolf ) is researcher, experiencer and military witness , among else .. from his youth I think .. 2 years age on forwards .. he does not mean things as plainly as you read them .

[SPIRIT WOLF]

No matter what term is used, the terms have now become deeply embedded within the mythology of ufology, there is not an ounce of scientific evidence or proof that any of these beings actually exists. Within the alternative community, research community and ufology, its spoken about by many with authority and as each time its mentioned it further cements the notion that these beings exist because so many people have spoken about them so it has to be true. In short its really hearsay that they exist, same goes for the likewise deeply embedded mythos of reptilians, dracos and the like.


And you are here on this forum that deals with these things for .. what exactly? Change our opinions/perceptions/experiences? If you are all about scientific evidence and proof of everything you are on the wrong platform buddy.

Not at all, simply pointing out that the terminolgy is bounded about so matter-of-factly that from the outside it looks very stupid. Not on the wrong forum at all. I have had extensive experience in this subject for 48 years so I guess I do know what I'm talking about.

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No matter what term is used, the terms have now become deeply embedded within the mythology of ufology, there is not an ounce of scientific evidence or proof that any of these beings actually exists. Within the alternative community, research community and ufology, its spoken about by many with authority and as each time its mentioned it further cements the notion that these beings exist because so many people have spoken about them so it has to be true. In short its really hearsay that they exist, same goes for the likewise deeply embedded mythos of reptilians, dracos and the like.

And you are here on this forum that deals with these things for .. what exactly? Change our opinions/perceptions/experiences? If you are all about scientific evidence and proof of everything you are on the wrong platform buddy.


:haha: It's likely going to turn to another grotesque evening here ..

Barry ( SpiritWolf ) is researcher, experiencer and military witness , among else .. from his youth I think .. 2 years age on forwards .. he does not mean things as plainly as you read them .

No problem Agape, some might think along those lines if they are so embedded into the subject terminolgy themselves, as you know I have worked both sides over a very long period of time and I call it as I see it, as it is. Apologies if that upsets or annoys anyone.

[RunningDeer]

I'm stuck here , quite a bit .. for more than one reason... very happy to share the virtual space with you , and all of you , hope I'm not sounding ungrateful because that's not what it is ,

but I have to live with being seen in wrong light - it has bad impact on me - and no matter what would I say .. these things are 'trends' . They're not 'in my mind' I can assure you .

Much appreciation to you, Agape, for sharing this virtual space. And for the record, I’ve never seen you in the wrong light.

I’ll use this opportunity to say that I admire your knowledge base and the devotion across time with it, how you rally for whom you believe to need support, and willingness to stand for you’re beliefs, whether they are popular or not, and most importantly…your level of compassion.

Yipes! That’s one long sentence but if I take the time to divide it up, I might skip this moment to say what I’ve felt for a long time.

I'll end with simple thank you, Agape. :hug:

Much love,
Paula <3

[OnyxKnight]

No matter what term is used, the terms have now become deeply embedded within the mythology of ufology, there is not an ounce of scientific evidence or proof that any of these beings actually exists. Within the alternative community, research community and ufology, its spoken about by many with authority and as each time its mentioned it further cements the notion that these beings exist because so many people have spoken about them so it has to be true. In short its really hearsay that they exist, same goes for the likewise deeply embedded mythos of reptilians, dracos and the like.

And you are here on this forum that deals with these things for .. what exactly? Change our opinions/perceptions/experiences? If you are all about scientific evidence and proof of everything you are on the wrong platform buddy.


:haha: It's likely going to turn to another grotesque evening here ..

Barry ( SpiritWolf ) is researcher, experiencer and military witness , among else .. from his youth I think .. 2 years age on forwards .. he does not mean things as plainly as you read them .

Okay, maybe I acted too defensively. But at the same time, an experiencer wouldn't be so proof-seeking of others' experiences.

Or are we talking about some different type of experience?

In any case, we all tell it as it is, from our point of view.

[Agape]

Hi Agape, I am so glad that you have found this 'internet advanture', and see, even on cyber space we can 'have a feel' for each other. I was not so much posting as a response to your direct words, but more as something general that at times hover above your various posts. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, your theme seems to be that many times you feel 'misunderstood', I can see how it came to be, but it may also fall under the category of victimhood, I do know that sometimes there are damn good reasons for why life has brought us to this place.

My own theme is - 'I can not speak or allowed to have a proper voice or presence'..(more in real life than on the net). Was there any special reason for anyone to bring us to this place? maybe yes or maybe no, but we may be supporting just that by keeping on looking outside and making comparisons, why others did and I didn't.. someone else's information was accepted with more attentivness than mine, I am invisible.. etc, etc. It is all eventually sums up our own inner feelings.. Now, please wish me luck, because I need to work on something that exactly relates to this and I know it's a long road.. I can justify my inner thoughts and feelings by continously repeating to myself what had happened to me so far and why I am okay to react like that, but truth is, that it doesn't serve me well, and it does serve the other attitude which is not to our favour as soverign beings.

God help us :) (Or should we help ourselves?)

To be an 'underdog' is also a role, to be the constant distant 'observer' is also one. I hope we will be able to take a few steps outside of this, (if we only wish..) and see if these defence walls are worth to break.

Thanks for reading

And Peace to you, dear Eva :angel:


It's the society scheme - the whole - with me at least, this seems to play a major role in the course of events but I know of many others who happen to be that way too,
we are 'displaced' of sorts .

No matter what does the society tell you ( and I'm talking of the 'real thing' now, not of internet ) they have talent for taking you down if you show a weakness .
They , on the other hand , tend to back off immediately , when you show strength . The problem with every society is ..they don't seem to need too many strong individuals .. one or two is enough to them ( metaphorically, just in case we are being read by some 'first plane humans' ) ,
the others aren't supposed to grow up , ever . Or if they do .. it 's when they turn old and harmless .

I'm having 99% different scale of 'problems' ( if any at all ) when in India than I have in central Europe . The 1% of all the 'human experience' seems to be 'me' .
The rest and mostly , is 'them' . The other people , their situations and problems .

I allowed them as far as I could .. not to create more stir , knowing they can't help or understand , their brains won't allow .

It needs some fresh air ..

It's been about physical recovery and adaptation to society whom i did not adopt .. talking of here .. and trying to find a way through to some others .
It's not easy if me and them don't share those 90% of true intents or whatever true is, personality - for them and me . Cognitive dissonance . They try hard to break me down , internally to their 'no religion' at all, agnosticism , skepticism and disbelief .
It's not about helping it's about breaking .

It got me from love you all trust you as much as possible to trust no 1 . It's a subjective , perceptional experience of course , relative and dependable .

I have no idea if that's ever an option for you but change of society may help Limor .

I'll post more but my eyes hurt too much right now to keep looking to the screen . I think Omni would know how to call this 'experience' .;)

Sending you much love and good luck , for now


:angel:

[SPIRIT WOLF]

No matter what term is used, the terms have now become deeply embedded within the mythology of ufology, there is not an ounce of scientific evidence or proof that any of these beings actually exists. Within the alternative community, research community and ufology, its spoken about by many with authority and as each time its mentioned it further cements the notion that these beings exist because so many people have spoken about them so it has to be true. In short its really hearsay that they exist, same goes for the likewise deeply embedded mythos of reptilians, dracos and the like.

And you are here on this forum that deals with these things for .. what exactly? Change our opinions/perceptions/experiences? If you are all about scientific evidence and proof of everything you are on the wrong platform buddy.


:haha: It's likely going to turn to another grotesque evening here ..

Barry ( SpiritWolf ) is researcher, experiencer and military witness , among else .. from his youth I think .. 2 years age on forwards .. he does not mean things as plainly as you read them .

Okay, maybe I acted too defensively. But at the same time, an experiencer wouldn't be so proof-seeking of others' experiences.

Or are we talking about some different type of experience?

In any case, we all tell it as it is, from our point of view.

No problem, you asked a good question and I answered. Yes guess we all do but I'm apart from the majority here unfortunately, and not being said in arrogance but from actual hands on experience, so i can see both sides of the fence whereas many here might be biased and influenced and see only the deeply embedded terminology and are quite happy with that.

[Milneman]

I believe I am a Pleiadian soul, put onto the earth to do a job. Do you believe you are an extra terrestrial seed, and how would you recognize a fellow Pleiadian. Can you recognize a Pleiadians personal characteristics?. Secondly if you are from outer space E.T .,how does that make you different to Earthly people and what type of E.t. are you?

I find your questions far too personal to answer in a publicly visible thread.

AMEN!!!!

Something else to think about:

Nicholas Wolterstorff, one of my heroes, once answered a question about how to advance one's education as a philosopher with a Christian tint in a field of academia generally hostile to Christian belief something like this:

You don't always have to tell people everything you believe. In fact, I've met some people who've done that and they're a horror to be around! ;)

[Milneman]

Why is it too personal to answer in a publicly visible thread?..all these forums are being vetted all the time.

I'm perfectly aware that all these forums are being vetted all the time. I'm also perfectly aware that all the alphabet soups have to do to get info on a particular soul inhabiting a human body is to access records available to them. But that's not the point. I find your questions intrusive, especially in the light of you claiming to be a Pleiadian soul, a race that is far too romanticized on this planet as far as I'm concerned.

Not only that....but isn't it kind of negligent to ignore what you got on your shoulders right now by daydreaming about what you're almost certain about wearing before, or after, what you're wearing now?

Great way to rationalize all kinds of things. Ah well, I'll get it right *next* time. How do we *know* there will *BE* a next time? We don't!!! Even more reason to focus on the right here, right now, and get to know the mind that is in this body right here, right now. Let next time take care of itself. Let last time be just that, a possible but really not that important possibly. The only thing we have right here right now is this life. It's not a rehearsal.

[Agape]

Okay, maybe I acted too defensively. But at the same time, an experiencer wouldn't be so proof-seeking of others' experiences.

Or are we talking about some different type of experience?

In any case, we all tell it as it is, from our point of view.

Onyx .. I treasure your presence among us for I consider you unique and respect your knowledge .
This does not mean that I automatically agree on all you have to say or ways you say that ..

from the place of 'truth and knowledge' in my heart that isn't mistaken by someones /anyones beliefs . The same goes for SpiritWolf and others ..

these are some people, 'old school' you may say who spent ages on vetting yourself against yourself and being vetted by others . The times when you can say just about whatever you please and claim whatever you wish on internet forum and not being seriously attacked and called mental case did NOT EXIST 20 or maybe less years ago when we were younger .


The point of 'validating' your experiences was mentioned here earlier and I encourage everyone to check that point with themselves alone, first of all, ask yourself : how much do I know ..
put the knowables on one side and guesses or near guesses and 'intuitive predictions' on the other side .

I do not change 'intuitive predictions' for knowledge . It's not one and the same thing . Human brain is gullible .

I don't doubt others experiences .. at all .. but human interpretations of them are various and curious for the way how human brain works . The images, names you are shown or people see whether they see 'Nordics' , 'Reptoids' or 'Andromedeans' are not realistic images in most cases ,

being 'humanoid' does not make me , you or them similar to humans , human cultures and languages etc .


Barry is absolutely correct about so much mythology encompassing the scene here that for anyone getting through with 'clean and clear message' is almost impossible,

what we get is crowd of people saying 'stuff' , and asking the same questions about Pleadeans , Reptilians or Mantids , all over again because so they heard and someone's connected the dots .

I hope I'm being 'kind' , not exactly 'antagonistic' .


:hug:

[Agape]

<3

Thank you Paula, I admire your strength and genuine spirit I've seen walking around this forum and floating beyond , your wisdom and compassion.

Before they throw me a towel ( like in the kicker box ring ) I better say goodnight and wishing you peace

may truth & love prevail

:hug:

[Omni]

There is no doubt groups go around contacting people under the guise of Pleiadian when they are not really Pleiadian. Mainly the US government IMO. It has become the new stereotype of ET stuff. I was told in one telepathic conversation that the real race names of ETs are almost all unknown. They said that the ET field of information I externally have access to(the internet of earth 2014), is largely oversimplified by the names of races. In other words when you hear someone say they were contacted by so and so, if it is a human race(which there are countless), they fall under the umbrella label Pleiadian. There are so many types of Greys. lol. It's not just one race. It's a universal archtype/aspect, the grey body type. Maybe it is what happens to races that go underground after nuclear holocaust. So maybe some greys around here were like the George H Bush's and Donald Rumsfeld's of other worlds...

Anyway, humans have a way of over-simplifying the universe to fit their perception. I think ET race names are oversimplified for the human side of things up there. The difference between what is on the internet and real races is distinct. There are some good truth on the net, don't get me wrong, and my testimony is part of the net... But many races have been very clear to me that their race name has not been spoken amongst humans. Nor could they tell me their race name because of TPTB standing in the way(they monitor all ET contact very intently). There are many human races out there.... Not just a few, but countless just in our galaxy...

Also it's quite possible the whole reason why the Pleiades is spoken about by anyone is because of it's mythological history on earth.

No matter what term is used, the terms have now become deeply embedded within the mythology of ufology, there is not an ounce of scientific evidence or proof that any of these beings actually exists. Within the alternative community, research community and ufology, its spoken about by many with authority and as each time its mentioned it further cements the notion that these beings exist because so many people have spoken about them so it has to be true. In short its really hearsay that they exist, same goes for the likewise deeply embedded mythos of reptilians, dracos and the like.


Specifically addressing this quote by SPIRIT WOLF:
"there is not an ounce of scientific evidence or proof that any of these beings actually exists"

Hmm.... Either you haven't studied the subject much, or you don't know what evidence means. Evidence is something you gather enough of, to conclude something as I understand it. You can have evidence for something that is untrue in other words. One piece of evidence does not nec. cause a conclusion.... I would assume you know this spirit wolf, which is why it astounds me to see you say there is no evidence...

UFOs when studied is credible evidence working towards an ET hypothesis. Mythology throughout our history, ancient texts, Religion, and countless other thingns all are evidence of ETs depending on how you look at it. Some of the best texts on earth have been eradicated by religious fundamentalists, and TPTB(IE: Library of Alexandria).

ET Contact is evidence as well, but not scientific as you say and has it's own problems.

Something the scientific method doesn't account for is logic. Using very mundane logic, one can see with ease the universe has a lot of life. I could see people getting hung up on how did they get here. But once you investigate the field of UFOlogy, and are not cornered into a dead end by infiltration, I think it becomes quite clear that we have extraterrestrial visitors.

Looking at all the evidence I have seen in the last 15 years, on top of logic and what my soul says, it is a given ET are here. I don't need to go into my personal experiences to determine that. However once I go into those it's very easy. Simply all the ships they have shown me(one up close in broad daylight), shows me ETs are around. And my testimony of that fact in fact, is evidence. Testimony is evidence. Just not scientific evidence...

[SPIRIT WOLF]

There is no doubt groups go around contacting people under the guise of Pleiadian when they are not really Pleiadian. Mainly the US government IMO. It has become the new stereotype of ET stuff. I was told in one telepathic conversation that the real race names of ETs are almost all unknown. They said that the ET field of information I externally have access to(the internet of earth 2014), is largely oversimplified by the names of races. In other words when you hear someone say they were contacted by so and so, if it is a human race(which there are countless), they fall under the umbrella label Pleiadian. There are so many types of Greys. lol. It's not just one race. It's a universal archtype/aspect, the grey body type. Maybe it is what happens to races that go underground after nuclear holocaust. So maybe some greys around here were like the George H Bush's and Donald Rumsfeld's of other worlds...

Anyway, humans have a way of over-simplifying the universe to fit their perception. I think ET race names are oversimplified for the human side of things up there. The difference between what is on the internet and real races is distinct. There are some good truth on the net, don't get me wrong, and my testimony is part of the net... But many races have been very clear to me that their race name has not been spoken amongst humans. Nor could they tell me their race name because of TPTB standing in the way(they monitor all ET contact very intently). There are many human races out there.... Not just a few, but countless just in our galaxy...

Also it's quite possible the whole reason why the Pleiades is spoken about by anyone is because of it's mythological history on earth.

No matter what term is used, the terms have now become deeply embedded within the mythology of ufology, there is not an ounce of scientific evidence or proof that any of these beings actually exists. Within the alternative community, research community and ufology, its spoken about by many with authority and as each time its mentioned it further cements the notion that these beings exist because so many people have spoken about them so it has to be true. In short its really hearsay that they exist, same goes for the likewise deeply embedded mythos of reptilians, dracos and the like.


Specifically addressing this quote by SPIRIT WOLF:
"there is not an ounce of scientific evidence or proof that any of these beings actually exists"

Hmm.... Either you haven't studied the subject much, or you don't know what evidence means. Evidence is something you gather enough of, to conclude something as I understand it. You can have evidence for something that is untrue in other words. One piece of evidence does not nec. cause a conclusion.... I would assume you know this spirit wolf, which is why it astounds me to see you say there is no evidence...

UFOs when studied is credible evidence working towards an ET hypothesis. Mythology throughout our history, ancient texts, Religion, and countless other thingns all are evidence of ETs depending on how you look at it. Some of the best texts on earth have been eradicated by religious fundamentalists, and TPTB(IE: Library of Alexandria).

ET Contact is evidence as well, but not scientific as you say and has it's own problems.

Something the scientific method doesn't account for is logic. Using very mundane logic, one can see with ease the universe has a lot of life. I could see people getting hung up on how did they get here. But once you investigate the field of UFOlogy, and are not cornered into a dead end by infiltration, I think it becomes quite clear that we have extraterrestrial visitors.

Looking at all the evidence I have seen in the last 15 years, on top of logic and what my soul says, it is a given ET are here. I don't need to go into my personal experiences to determine that. However once I go into those it's very easy. Simply all the ships they have shown me(one up close in broad daylight), shows me ETs are around. And my testimony of that fact in fact, is evidence. Testimony is evidence. Just not scientific evidence...

Let me see, as mentioned I do have extensive knowledge of all these interconnected subjects for 48 years now, direct, hands on personal experience, research and investigations, civilian and non civilian. Guess after all that I just might know a bit?

[powessy]

Hello spirit wolf

Testing over forty eight years, what kind of testing? Was the technology prior to 2000 significant to find positive answers to ufology, and is newer tech being used to review older X-files? If I was an advanced race of aliens "I would be advanced" why is all the things I find on aliens not advanced in my mind other then syfi imagination. I agree that proof is hard to find regarding alien races but we have not even explored this planet and have already started planning our next planet to destroy. How much proof do you need or anyone else for that matter. A man stands in new york and proclaims he is the reincarnation of jesus do we discredit him or believe him? Do we know what lies after death and what memories are lost do to reincarnation, is it possible we don't understand all the other forces at play.

I talk with many entities everyday 24/7 what do I need to do to prove these voices are conscious and not some disease?

[SPIRIT WOLF]

Hi powessy, great post, ok let me try giving a very brief idea of what I personally have been thru even though its generally known within the community. In my childhood I was placed within a genetics program, this continued till age 15. In 1966 I began a deep interest in ufology and 2 years later joined BUFORA. During the 70's i was high profile research/investigator, had quite a few of my cases printed in FSR magazine as was working with the UFOIN network. Between 1979 and 1981 I worked as security at a secure facility. I've had numerous paranormal and ufo/ET experiences. My skill set has been used by both civilian and non civilian factions and agencies. I'm not prepared to go into more detail as I find this unnecessary. Lets just say I've sat with both white and black hats over time and been involved in many things. I can see both sides of the argument, my input earlier was simply to state its a bit silly talking about certain things in a matter-of-fact manner as terminology within the community is only seen as factual whereas its not so from outside. I sincerely believe that after almost half a century close ties with these subjects I can honestly say I know my onions. I'm not detracting anyone's views or opinions or beliefs, we are all still learning.

[Agape]

I talk with many entities everyday 24/7 what do I need to do to prove these voices are conscious and not some disease?

The least you can do for yourself is concise testing of information you receive from supposed ETs .
Such as ... the language they use .. modulation of voice .. frequency , even if it's a 'telepathic communication' it's bound to have certain specific characteristics .
I've not heard of any ETs who would be talking/transmitting 24/7 . My mum, on the other hand can do that ;)

Even if that does not apply .. the information received is bound to have substantial and unique character , telling you something you have not heard before from human source .

There's 99% chance that your brain 'does that' , honestly , even if there's ET influence behind .. the influence and message tends to be discrete .
Some people get one real time encounter or become recipient of message that they can not recall .. unless put under hypnosis, for example,
the message maybe very meaningful and the encounter very real ..

but high strangeness of the alien energy that brain can not translate sends them on years long 'trip' full of thoughts and images that brain keeps spilling out - self-defence mechanism and ought to be conversation - in response to the energy .

There are famous 'channellers' who do but that . They keep talking themselves fro and back to the 'energy' . They don't talk to the 'real entity' as them and their followers presume . The real entity is mostly very different , mentally but also very distanced from casual human continuum to be full of our problems here .
But , some people - shamans for example, learn to 'ride the energy' and they think or claim real conversation , in human words with some entity .
The clue mostly is .. if they ask the entity to disclose itself or perform certain task it would not . It tends to be one sided communication.

If they are real they can prove themselves to you in many subtle ways .


So it's really hard to tell .. and it would be only good if there were any genuine researchers these days who would investigate cases of people , such as yours and help them to get to the 'hard core' .

:wave:

[powessy]

Hello Agape

First," the voices I am speaking to are not ET in source, their are ET's involved but not ones I am in contact with on this side of thoughts but only on powessys side of things. The technology used with powessy is an implant in my left eye that uses many levels of letters in a three dimensional space. These voices I hear are both human and sparteil in nature and they have memories and thoughts of human technologies and human feelings about things. The words did not just start, they started in a method to teach me things about problems going on in the veil. I do not want to sound special in these thoughts I have, but I would say that almost no one has had an obe to any extent that I have had them to see the things that I have seen along with astral projections. I keep failing to find the words to tell this story and find it hard to convince others of what I am being shown as the real problems facing each person after death. I will say that I have used ""many methods to find their words and thoughts and found they can write realy well these are their words only". The words started out in the upper and lower parts of vision eyes open or closed till later on they formed a box of fuzzy dots and then letters and words formed there. The words were all written out at first till they learned to talk in the upper parts of the mind being easier for me to almost hear. The words verge on the level of sound in that frequency but it is not frequency here it is telepathy from the top part of the mind only.

I have done extensive research around the internet looking for signs to the things I am experiencing. Channeling is different then what I am going through right now these are not channeled entities I have spent time talking to them many times before this time here, they still were not ET. Many of those hearing these voices From ET are not talking to ETs but other things here on earth this I know for sure. The voices come from others here that can find older souls ones that have went through the reincarnation cycle several times these are the soul they find and talk to. The sparteil are not good entities they are evil and wish harm on the human race they bring many things to this world with them these are the things you see in astral projections and your obes, these are not your experiences only theirs you are having. Their are many people being fooled every day by the sparteil and find you all over the place telling you lies and trapping you in there thoughts about thoughts.

"We are typing these words to you and want you to know we are not controlling him and that he is not under a spell he is showing us the way people are here the truth we do not find on the other side he thinks he is crazy from time to time and we keep asking him to type these words for us and find it fun to do with him".

The sparteil find older souls those seen on both sides of the veil and trap them inside themselves after death to build other worlds this is their ability so if you think you are going to heaven they will give you heaven and show you many things to get you there through things they find in your memories. Many of you think you will move in to other dimensions after death or in this life time they will trick you this is the channelers and others doing this to you. Traps and lies.

Now a spartiel will trap souls in something that looks like a hair as the size of the soul is reduced to this size in these hairs. These souls are wrapped around each other inside each hair and inside themselves being used by sparteil to build their realities some of which are your astral plains and astral projections places you will see in the end and feel safe, the more souls and memories used the more they become real. I do not know the exact details of this problem but as they keep remembering things I keep finding out new details from both sides in our searh for the truth. The reason they are here on me is that all the spartiel or "all seeing eyes" are not here with them anymore they have found them in many places in this world and found their way upon my head these hairs hold many hundreds of souls and there are many thousands of hairs here.

[powessy]

Hello Spirit wolf

You say you have had many years of experience with paranormal or you know your onions. In fast florescent lighting and in sunlight in the corner of my eyes I can see these hairs and they can move and communicate by brushing yes,no and I'm thinking answers on my eyes, how do I prove this and can they be seen with any technology we have today. I can talk with them in telepathy and through images I create and they can animate within my mind eyes open or closed. I can thought form along with a section of them and want to find out how one could detect these thought forms on the human body. I can thought form entire people that can touch me or move things on me only so far. thought forms are only imaginations in three dimensions having pressure and minimal thoughts to them they act on their own once constructed then disappear in a short period of time. I can scratch my head with out ever moving my hand how do I prove this.

[johnf]

Powessy, I am interested in Spirit Wolf's answer to your question.
But I find your last two posts to be rather interesting, and can see how you are experiencing something quite real.
I have trouble with the term spartiel, where is that from, and is there a definition of it somewhere?

Also these hairs seem to be some form of holographic interface with various levels of reality.
You seem to be able to direct them from the mental level, and get responses from them.
I have run into this idea that reality is made by interweaving beings, or at least extensions of them from various schools of thought.
Thoughts forms at the mental level, emotional, or astral forms, at the emotional level.
Some of your ideas sound very similar to the Hylozoics material.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hylozoism

Not sure you would be able to prove this stuff, but you might be able to find certain people
that can relate to what you are offering.
If you were able to help folks learn to see through their own beliefs, and straighten out their own emotions and thoughts I think, you might be able to give others the ability to prove things to themselves. Have you tried to direct your inquiries in that direction?

John

[powessy]

Hello Johnf

I will take time later to read the link you provided but I want to explain a few things to you first. First they are not holographic they exist through some process brought through many soul links of powessy. I know this sounds strange but I can assure you this is realy happening. The idea of interweaving beings I can show you a rough image of this and you can see how they are linked, this picture I will provide soon.


these bodies are how they are arranged in each hair and there are many thousands on my head.
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The word SPARTEIL is a word I was given during a teaching 101 on how they operate and who to look for. In my dealings with the pendulum I found that many spirits I would contact, some of them would spell words backwards, so take the word sparteil and turn it around you get "Lie Trap s". the spartiel had a specific purpose to build things on both sides of the veil through the memories of human souls, the sparteil are born to the veil and can never be part of this side of things. Something happened many years ago and the sparteil left with someone to create another place, others came and saw what was done and decided to go out and find more sparteil from other places around the universe to change things here also in this world, there are two types of sparteil both good and bad.

They want to say something to you Johnf " We want to know how much information you have inside your head to find answers to prove the things that you see around you every day. We want to know how much time you have to become something there to change things in your world so people are not scared to die and become something else when reincarnated".


powessy

[Davidallany]

Do you believe you are an extra terrestrial seed, and how would you recognize a fellow Pleiadian.

Since I first heard of that star system, I always felt a very strong connection to the Pleiades for no apparent reason. I was then told by Carol Clarke, without having asked her or mentioned it, that this is where I come from. She was the only psychic I got a reading from ever.

Pleiadians can be rash, intelligent, improvident, playful, reckless, creative, arrogant, upbeat, wayward and forgiving. That's the impression that I get when I look at myself.

Compared to many other folks on this planet, I find myself rather unattached to what I do and think. What interests me most is how I create, alone and with others. Naturally, I wanna do that with an attitude that is characterized by the adjectives I used in the last paragraph, which can be problematic.

I feel very powerful and often wanna use that power to interfere directly in any given situation, but that caused quite significant problems, even when I have the best intentions. To balance out my slaphappy tendencies, I found meditation, inner silence, restraint and clarity to be very useful. That brought me to visualizing the idea of going to a fulcrum of a given situation from where I can anchor and hold space for a process. At the fulcrum, activity is less agitated but more profound.

If you are of a higher consciousness, your job on Earth is clear; helping Earthlings to grow in consciousness. People on this planet are in a process. The process is what it's all about at the end of the day, in my opinion. Therefore, it's about helping people to get into "the flow." That's what controllers in general are afraid of more than anything else—a population that is moving vibrantly in a way that they can't predict or control. If you want to help people get into the flow, suspend your judgments and beliefs, because "the flow" isn't attached to any of these. Be pragmatic and ask yourself, "How can I help this person unfold and let the life inside him- or herself flow?" I have expanded on that in the thread "How to Heal Ourselves." (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74156-How-To-Heal-Ourselves)

http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-don-t-ask-yourself-what-the-world-needs-ask-yourself-what-makes-you-come-alive-and-then-go-do-howard-thurman-272977.jpg
I too have had this feeling of connection when I heard about the star system Pleiades.

[johnf]

Thanks Powessy, for your answers, and the questions from your process.
Other than rarely enough time, I am not sure how to answer the question posed.

I think the subject matter of this thread thanks to certain recent posts is far from
where it started. However far more interesting to me than the original.
I was going to jump in more than I did because I don't see the value
in discussing other races, and using the popular terms.
Spirit Wolf's posts bring up what I consider to be valid points about many of the things discussed in this forum.
There seems to be an urgency in the air in the last few months to find practical solutions and projects on many levels.
And people have become weary of wild goose chases, including anticipation of advanced cultures arriving and solving our problems, or of receiving answers from channeling, as well as from our official institutions.
Perhaps this thread will reach a consensus about a new line of discussion, and a new thread started, this one has been a little strained.
But regardless of the names of these ET races, I don't see that discussing them for months has gotten us anywhere.

However by listening to the personal experiences of various people around here, and engaging in back and forth discussion gives each of us an opportunity to hear the quiet voice behind whatever internal spiritual process we have in our lives that might have brought us together.

I believe that process can provide each of us with answers that reach us where we are, but we need to be willing to let go of any previous answers to do that.

Anyway that was my attempt to at least contribute to a clearer direction for this thread. Not sure I helped, but I felt it was needed.

John

[Milneman]

no matter what term is used, the terms have now become deeply embedded within the mythology of ufology, there is not an ounce of scientific evidence or proof that any of these beings actually exists. Within the alternative community, research community and ufology, its spoken about by many with authority and as each time its mentioned it further cements the notion that these beings exist because so many people have spoken about them so it has to be true. In short its really hearsay that they exist, same goes for the likewise deeply embedded mythos of reptilians, dracos and the like.

thank you uncle barry!!!!!

[Milneman]

Ok let me throw this mess into the mix.

My soul is brand spanking new. It has never reincarnated. And it won't reincarnate.

Now the doodle berry.

It isn't always like this for everyone. (Did he just say that?)

There are some big names on this forum that are touting the reincarnation line, the extra terrestrial soul premise. Not just big names, but people I really do fondly appreciate and care about in a distant-from-you-but-still-think-you're-really-groovy-and-I'd-hang-out-with-you-any-day kinda way.

So let me throw a monkey wrench into the works.

Suppose Omniverse is correct in his hypothesis that there is technologically advanced mechanisms that certain organizations/individuals can use to create clouded ideas/images/mind control. Now everyone is assuming it's the top of the pyramid that we typically associate with the big "i".

What if we're wrong?

What if instead of the people we typically associate with who's at the top, who's running the show, there's actually individuals we've never even seen! (Agape, see where I'm going with this? I'm starting to feel safer here if you know what I mean!)

If you want to protect yourself, your identity, you do two things. You never let anyone know who the guy above is. And you never, ever, ever let anyone know what your game is. They want to believe in reincarnation of extraterrestrial races, part of a set of beliefs that makes the individual more malleable to control and manipulate, give it to them.

That's the beauty of the slight of hand move.

That's #1.

#2. Suppose just for one second, even though a lot of you may have difficulty accepting this premise, that you won't reincarnate again. Suppose that if reincarnation does hold true that this is the last stop. Earth. The blue dot everyone is coming to visit.

Now what are you going to do?

[Agape]

Now what are you going to do?

Let's put it that way ... suppose your computer starts behaving completely crazy and out of control , what will you do ?

Restore the system . There's always a back up somewhere ... a memory . If you were 'brand new' this morning, you'd have also no memory of past , any past .
But you're not . Even people who suffer shock and amnesia or their mind goes astray for some reason - we call them crazy - , or those who suffer death and rebirth ,
usually have something to relate to in the world .. that reminds them of 'having past' .

There's nothing brand new about genes passed over millions of human incarnations and recording the mutation and adaptation happening to them in the meantime ,
the difference between any 'you and i' .
You're born with full set of memories , what way you express and explore the fact , expand those memories towards past or future is entirely upto you . What can be done in one lifetime is a fraction of fraction of our potential .
There's so much we would like to do and could do if that was meaningful and could fit to the time we've acquired . But we don't have all the time .. so we have to make choices ,
that itself is limiting process but there's no way around it . We have to make choices and disregard some equally good options on 'what to do ' .

Then of course , it's also , largely upon the society and if and how much do they allow you to express your true potentials .
Society itself is a force full of controlling mechanisms , it grows over many peoples heads because it's meant to .

We are free . That is .. many people on this planet aren't free as of the moment .. because they're brutally enslaved by some regime , dictator or dogma organising their lives . Among them , many could break free if they really wanted to .
So what makes them enslaved are usually their believes , one of those being a belief in world that has to be controlled in such n such manner else it would collapse .

We speak of ancient slave societies but as a matter of fact , many people live like slaves to this day , not realising it fully or believing it serves a good purpose .
It's a faith ..in systems . Economical, political, environmental, territorial, cultural, tribal, educational, medical , philosophical, religious, scientific , non- of those ,
it's all about 'systems' .

If you've ever studied theory of systems you will understand this well .

What any advanced civilisation ( ET or not ) introduces to 'primitive society' and the way it enslaves them is by introducing more advanced system .
Like a computer system , it's something that works or seems to work happily together without much need for living input . Basic concept of AI .
'Controlling' system by a living person is not the aim, firstly - it would be extremely demanding and inefficient and then , it's easy to destroy such control by destroying individual member .

Systems work like mandalas , horizontally and vertically , respecting the laws of symmetry because there's natural need in any 'ecosystem' to balance itself .
In nature too you have systems ... called ecosystems .. they're more open , more drastic but very efficient in long run.

What any advanced intelligence does .. in order to master their environment is learning from nature and how it works and then imposes its own rule, thus tricking and trimming certain branches of the ecosystem to submission ( cutting off weak and inefficient , or aggressive species ) and promoting those who can follow the system .

No system is completely controllable .. and besides that , it's in the nature of systems to remain open , adaptable to circumstances , on both ends .. they can regress or expand , evolve or devolve . If they're rigid systems they're most prone to collapse .

If you understand the 'trick' you are free .

But .. one of the basic instincts of all living beings , right after survival instinct and caring instinct is a social instinct so basically , we all 'long' to belong to society of equals , that means .. we can be , potentially or not, lulled and tricked to being part of some social system .
It's also why many free and open minded individuals, all around the world struggle with leaving their countries, families and societies behind even if they're unwilling part of them .. because it's hard to conquer certain instincts .

No one in the world can efficiently control lone free individual - unless they expose themselves and target a system turning themselves to a target .

But , anyone willing to support a system .. can be controlled .

It's seemingly unsolvable paradigm, for millions ( or billions ) of people at the moment ..
and at all times . Even if most or many broke free from their systems now , they'd start forming new ones .

Long way to go for mankind , me thinks ..



:angel:

[Omni]

Ok let me throw this mess into the mix.

My soul is brand spanking new. It has never reincarnated. And it won't reincarnate.
Are you saying your soul does not hold wisdoms? Or do you mean you are a new soul, yet your soul has wisdom, from it's creation?

Am I right to say you think your soul was created by God before this lifetime? In that theory there is no point to learning beyond knowing it in this life.
I don't personally subscribe to that idea. The reason big names on the forum believe in reincarnation I think is because it makes the most sense.



Suppose Omniverse is correct in his hypothesis that there is technologically advanced mechanisms that certain organizations/individuals can use to create clouded ideas/images/mind control. Now everyone is assuming it's the top of the pyramid that we typically associate with the big "i".

What if we're wrong?

You mean what if it's wrong the cabal has and uses mind control technology? One can research such and find with very easily done logic that the US government has good mind control capabilities. It is basically verifiable fact they have mind control tech. And very easy and safe to assume they continued on from the public studies in the 1960s by people like Dr. Jose Delgado. Possible they were already way ahead of Delgado even back then. But very safe to say they now have such technology...


What if instead of the people we typically associate with who's at the top, who's running the show, there's actually individuals we've never even seen! (Agape, see where I'm going with this? I'm starting to feel safer here if you know what I mean!)
I've never seen the true apex controllers of the world. I don't think their names are mentioned much. So I don't think that is too far out...



If you want to protect yourself, your identity, you do two things. You never let anyone know who the guy above is. And you never, ever, ever let anyone know what your game is.
They have surveillance of the mind technology nowadays. So unless you yourself don't know what your game is, they will know if they want to.



They want to believe in reincarnation of extraterrestrial races, part of a set of beliefs that makes the individual more malleable to control and manipulate, give it to them.
..... Really? You think believing in reincarnation makes someone more malleable to control and manipulation? :shocked: I'm at loss as to how you could say such. Care to elaborate why you would say such in detail? I've heard similar from evangelical christians about reincarnation beliefs.



#2. Suppose just for one second, even though a lot of you may have difficulty accepting this premise, that you won't reincarnate again. Suppose that if reincarnation does hold true that this is the last stop. Earth. The blue dot everyone is coming to visit.

Now what are you going to do?

Well it's a false premise IMO. But if it was real I'd do the same thing I am doing now basically...

[Michelle Marie]

I'm in for the innocent inquiry aspect of this curiosity. (Not a debater.) My telepathic intuitions are not clearly explained. I have a strong sense of mission and being here to be of service. There is some inherent familiarity with Pleaeidian essence. I don't know much at all...waiting for the answer in the question to arise.

What is this inherent familiarity? What does it mean? Are we here on a mission? Who are we? Can we recognize our teammates by their similar intentions to make the world a better place with more love and peace? What is our cooperative service? How do we each play our part with excellence? What will our success look like? What would it be like if we intended to love each other better? What would it be like if EVERYONE told the truth? What will it be like when everyone can perceive the truth directly?

(I like to ask the Universe questions that I actually want to answer to!)

I keep feeling like a "team" is forming organically...Plaiedian or not.

Love to all you LoveSouls,
Michelle Marie

[Tangri]

Do you believe you are an extra terrestrial seed, and how would you recognize a fellow Pleiadian.

"How to Heal Ourselves." (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74156-How-To-Heal-Ourselves)

http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-don-t-ask-yourself-what-the-world-needs-ask-yourself-what-makes-you-come-alive-and-then-go-do-howard-thurman-272977.jpg

There we go, Christian has summed it up completely, I do not need to show an earthly piece of paper about my Eartly educational prowess it comes directly from my Plejaren/ Pleiadian soul , that is what the thread is about , unconditional love...quote:.

Am I missing something here or it is as it is.

I can show you, an earthly piece of paper about my Earthly prowess but it is not going to concur my current spiritual or humanity place.
My prowess was as a healer in Earth but I am practicing observance right now, without any intervenes. It is not going to help to prove my parasitic soul's origin.
I believe we(humans) have more than one consciousness on the body. you can call them Dark side, light side , grey side or/and one of the rainbow's. Declaring having specific one is a delusion.

[Agape]

My prowess was as a healer in Earth but I am practicing observance right now, without any intervenes. It is not going to help to prove my parasitic soul's origin.
I believe we(humans) have more than one consciousness on the body. you can call them Dark side, light side , grey side or/and one of the rainbow's. Declaring having specific one is a delusion.

Tangri , I wonder why are you people so bad to each other .. now, you're commenting on post of someone who had been disabled from answering you .

Further on, why are you so aggressive to the idea that someone/anyone may come from out of your world and still be benevolent and entertain mentality, identity and intelligence that is not 'quite like yours' ?

Someone else could step in and claim the opposite to your statement be true .. such as 'unless you can declare specific identity it's likely an illusion' ..which I'd be inclined to support , as a matter of fact ..

I think that Dominic ( Sound Consciousness ) actually expressed doubts about where does he place his identity .. somewhere in the ET category .. it happens to many spiritual seekers who are new to the field and after reading one or two books find themselves with something specific .. that is likely a delusion on the persons side but so is everyone elses in that category ,
believing that the last system you've discovered is the ultimate system .

While we have functionally got rid of that 'bad person' and invalidated his claim for not showing sufficient amount of empathy , it does not prove us less delusional .

It merely shows what a bunch of kids we are .


:sad:

[Sean]

I think, in the cycle of reincarnation that we "cycle" through many cultures, and not just on earth. We may be here at this time, in this life..but I believe many of us do come from star-faring civilizations, or, at least had several lives as part of one. I'm not sure which I was a part of..but, I'm convinced that I was. The key isn't pinpointing which one you come from. it doesn't really matter..it's more important to see yourself as the multidimensional entity that you(we) really are. If you live in that knowledge..your life becomes amazing instead of ordinary. You realize that you're capable of so much more than you've been told. Isn't that knowledge more important than thinking "I'm pleaidian" or "I'm arcturan"? Just be your badass multidimensional self.:cool:

I like the way Barbara Marciniak put it:

"renegade member of family of light. systems buster. available for altering systems of consciousness in the free will universe. on call".

If you're here, now, raising earth's vibration..you are the SPECIAL FORCES of the light side. Your job is to bring light to darkness, to receive and dessiminate(sp) the info that is being beamed to earth. focus on that.. Focus on that. THAT is badass.

your true origin is source, anyway, not pleaides or arcturus or wherever.. those are just places your soul went on it's journey. but we're here now, to give darkness a completely thorough and utterly righteous ass-whuppin'.

get after it.

[Becky]

I think, in the cycle of reincarnation that we "cycle" through many cultures, and not just on earth. We may be here at this time, in this life..but I believe many of us do come from star-faring civilizations, or, at least had several lives as part of one. I'm not sure which I was a part of..but, I'm convinced that I was. The key isn't pinpointing which one you come from. it doesn't really matter..it's more important to see yourself as the multidimensional entity that you(we) really are. If you live in that knowledge..your life becomes amazing instead of ordinary. You realize that you're capable of so much more than you've been told. Isn't that knowledge more important than thinking "I'm pleaidian" or "I'm arcturan"? Just be your badass multidimensional self.:cool:

I like the way Barbara Marciniak put it:

"renegade member of family of light. systems buster. available for altering systems of consciousness in the free will universe. on call".

If you're here, now, raising earth's vibration..you are the SPECIAL FORCES of the light side. Your job is to bring light to darkness, to receive and dessiminate(sp) the info that is being beamed to earth. focus on that.. Focus on that. THAT is badass.

your true origin is source, anyway, not pleaides or arcturus or wherever.. those are just places your soul went on it's journey. but we're here now, to give darkness a completely thorough and utterly righteous ass-whuppin'.

get after it.

Workingactor, I think this is pretty much what I was saying a few pages back on this thread, more or less - so I do agree with you here.

[DNA]

I think, in the cycle of reincarnation that we "cycle" through many cultures, and not just on earth. We may be here at this time, in this life..but I believe many of us do come from star-faring civilizations, or, at least had several lives as part of one. I'm not sure which I was a part of..but, I'm convinced that I was. The key isn't pinpointing which one you come from. it doesn't really matter..it's more important to see yourself as the multidimensional entity that you(we) really are. If you live in that knowledge..your life becomes amazing instead of ordinary. You realize that you're capable of so much more than you've been told. Isn't that knowledge more important than thinking "I'm pleaidian" or "I'm arcturan"? Just be your badass multidimensional self.:cool:

I like the way Barbara Marciniak put it:

"renegade member of family of light. systems buster. available for altering systems of consciousness in the free will universe. on call".

If you're here, now, raising earth's vibration..you are the SPECIAL FORCES of the light side. Your job is to bring light to darkness, to receive and dessiminate(sp) the info that is being beamed to earth. focus on that.. Focus on that. THAT is badass.

your true origin is source, anyway, not pleaides or arcturus or wherever.. those are just places your soul went on it's journey. but we're here now, to give darkness a completely thorough and utterly righteous ass-whuppin'.

get after it.

I want to start off and state Barbara Marciniak represents everything wrong with the definition of those called Plieadians. I was looking for a way to soften that statement, but I just can't.
I met Marciniak nine years ago.
I sat through her public presentation (which was full of "my darling childrens" and similiar stuff), and afterwards I talked with her as she was doing a book signing.
My questions agitated her to no end, and she got quite angry with me.

Further more, her speaking presentation was comprised of her being "possessed" if you will. She talked in a very off voice that was supposed to not be hers. Further, and this is not me asking for belief, but I'm just putting it out there. I can alter my state of consciousness and see ghosts, fairie folks and well alternate dimensional beings.
None of these things were present as she gave her presentation. Not even an empowered multi-layered aura on the speaker herself.

Make what you will of this.
I"m not telling anybody what to believe, but when one runs into an imposter taking advantage of people for personal gain, I think it important to make your thoughts known.

[Sean]

I think, in the cycle of reincarnation that we "cycle" through many cultures, and not just on earth. We may be here at this time, in this life..but I believe many of us do come from star-faring civilizations, or, at least had several lives as part of one. I'm not sure which I was a part of..but, I'm convinced that I was. The key isn't pinpointing which one you come from. it doesn't really matter..it's more important to see yourself as the multidimensional entity that you(we) really are. If you live in that knowledge..your life becomes amazing instead of ordinary. You realize that you're capable of so much more than you've been told. Isn't that knowledge more important than thinking "I'm pleaidian" or "I'm arcturan"? Just be your badass multidimensional self.:cool:

I like the way Barbara Marciniak put it:

"renegade member of family of light. systems buster. available for altering systems of consciousness in the free will universe. on call".

If you're here, now, raising earth's vibration..you are the SPECIAL FORCES of the light side. Your job is to bring light to darkness, to receive and dessiminate(sp) the info that is being beamed to earth. focus on that.. Focus on that. THAT is badass.

your true origin is source, anyway, not pleaides or arcturus or wherever.. those are just places your soul went on it's journey. but we're here now, to give darkness a completely thorough and utterly righteous ass-whuppin'.

get after it.

I want to start off and state Barbara Marciniak represents everything wrong with the definition of those called Plieadians. I was looking for a way to soften that statement, but I just can't.
I met Marciniak nine years ago.
I sat through her public presentation (which was full of "my darling childrens" and similiar stuff), and afterwards I talked with her as she was doing a book signing.
My questions agitated her to no end, and she got quite angry with me.

Further more, her speaking presentation was comprised of her being "possessed" if you will. She talked in a very off voice that was supposed to not be hers. Further, and this is not me asking for belief, but I'm just putting it out there. I can alter my state of consciousness and see ghosts, fairie folks and well alternate dimensional beings.
None of these things were present as she gave her presentation. Not even an empowered multi-layered aura on the speaker herself.

Make what you will of this.
I"m not telling anybody what to believe, but when one runs into an imposter taking advantage of people for personal gain, I think it important to make your thoughts known.


I'm no Marciniak devotee; In fact, most "channelled" information tends to be BS. But, I do like that quote from her, and she does have some things right. I'm basing that on my own experiences, not her channelings. Still, your experience with her is noted. thanks.

[raregem]

Bill it may have made you laugh you said once you had seen an e,t on the mountain side , are you sure it wasn't FEAR and the Imagination?.

It appeared physically in my room. If I'd had a camera, I could have taken its photo. No imagination. I was shocked when I saw it, but I was very relaxed BEFORE I saw it. :)

A direct question to you: why do you seek to invalidate others' direct, personal experiences by suggesting that this is delusion, triggered by fear?

You also did that to Amethyst, here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75098-Possible-Abduction-and-ET-Interference-Trauma&p=878247&viewfull=1#post878247


SORRY Amethyst, this sounds like Fear and the Imagination causing these strange happenings

This sounds like arrogance (on your part) to me. You asked me by PM why I was interested in your posts, after I had asked you what your academic background was (to which you did not reply).

I'm interested because I think you are throwing your weight around on the forum in a rather immature, grandstanding, and unhelpful way.

Thank you, Bill for your shared thoughts. I appreciate knowledge given without ego/ manipulation (even slightly)/and respect to the one who differs in thought.

[Tangri]

My prowess was as a healer in Earth but I am practicing observance right now, without any intervenes. It is not going to help to prove my parasitic soul's origin.
I believe we(humans) have more than one consciousness on the body. you can call them Dark side, light side , grey side or/and one of the rainbow's. Declaring having specific one is a delusion.

Tangri , I wonder why are you people so bad to each other .. now, you're commenting on post of someone who had been disabled from answering you .

Further on, why are you so aggressive to the idea that someone/anyone may come from out of your world and still be benevolent and entertain mentality, identity and intelligence that is not 'quite like yours' ?

Someone else could step in and claim the opposite to your statement be true .. such as 'unless you can declare specific identity it's likely an illusion' ..which I'd be inclined to support , as a matter of fact ..

I think that Dominic ( Sound Consciousness ) actually expressed doubts about where does he place his identity .. somewhere in the ET category .. it happens to many spiritual seekers who are new to the field and after reading one or two books find themselves with something specific .. that is likely a delusion on the persons side but so is everyone elses in that category ,
believing that the last system you've discovered is the ultimate system .

While we have functionally got rid of that 'bad person' and invalidated his claim for not showing sufficient amount of empathy , it does not prove us less delusional .

It merely shows what a bunch of kids we are .


:sad:

First of all
I didn 't pay attention that if he/she was unsubscribed before or after I respond his/her post.
My objection was generated from falsely grown general perception on educational background.
If I have lower earthly education, is that means what I say is unworthy?

Or If I have higher earthly education, is my spirit better than others?

Then last part
I witnessed a lot of multiple personality disorders.
Dissociative amnesia is the base founding. Each character was not able to access previous one's memory what you name them as a individually depends on you(pleiadian, reptilian, leviathan, atlantian) they take turn to govern the body, like an avatar. But I also saw earthly soul between them, squished, suppressed .

I do not trust other entities try to channel something else, because humans do not equipped to distinguish which one is benevolent or malevolent. We must always remember malevolent lies and voices, like benevolent sound.
We have a birth right to be here and should not wave that right easily.
Other entities are selfish, they do not care living being, they do not have love , mercy, and memory.

[Flash]

I have seen quite a lot of doctorate people in my life and it proves nothing about the inner being and its richness. Lots of doctorates are rather poor inwardly and lots of regular folks rather rich inside. And what a feast when i meet a being both intelligent and rich inside. A rarity that i truly respect. Avalon has lots of these beings.

As for multiple personnalities, I have seen a few and it is true that they do not retain the memory of the others when they switch (usually except for one, the master one). So one may be programmed to react as a reptilian in one and then as a pleiadian in the next

Anyhow, I am personnally done with who am I. I am and i chose, usually to be STO, that is quite enough as it is

I must however say that when one knows the caracteristics of each group, it may make life easier in understanding behaviors, values or lack of it, hive mind mentality versus individuality, etc. As a good personnality test would do as well.

[powessy]

Hello Tangri

I have many thousands of voices here inside me and many groups of all kinds from all places. You say you do not trust other entities and this is very wise, There will be no mercy for many here after death. I have meet the top hats or the sparteil they are the controllers brought here from other worlds to this world. Many of you have astral projections and many of you have obes but this is what they seek these abilities in those of you who have been here longer, they find you after several reincarnations once the soul has evolved to the next level, you are like the fresh new ripe tomato on the vine, this is why many more people continue to awaken. The controllers who stand on top are the(pleiadian, reptilian, leviathan, atlantian) They use builders to use thought forms to build entire worlds from all over the place, these thought forms are used to build real worlds with real feelings like matrix's but not of this world but of those worlds the controllers have built. The controllers place real human souls into these strands attached to the builders and create the worlds from real memories to avoid the reincarnation cycle and have eternal lives.

When the voices go from smart and calculating, they are only trying to see if the tomato is ripe and if your ready to become part of their world becoming something in their strands worth saving. The controllers will do all kinds of things to awaken you and will seem as if you were being attacked or they will try and show you things to gain your confidence telling you you are a god or you are special. If the controller can not awaken you but finds your soul is ready he will mark you, but if you do hear him he will do anything to drive you crazy and or get you to kill yourself through all means possible. If the controller can not get you to kill yourself he marks you and then places a thread on you with human souls in it these souls are a hive mind there are many thousands of them per strand and they are taught to use inception with in the mind. Due to the reprogramming of the soul they will lie and trick you to all ends they will not be very smart and will be completely under the influence of the builder and controller. The souls are not allowed to become anything inside these worlds but their memories. The builders are able to construct any memory to something physical and can switch whole environments in turn of a door knob "any astral projectors out there that wonder why the scenes change from room to room". Many of you projectors are unaware of these strands because you are unable to feel thought forms on your body.

Powessy

Those with me wish to tell you something " we do not wish to become something else again and want you to know we do not wish to become yourself or themselves again we have learned to become ourselves again and want you to understand we do not intend to cause any more harm to anyone here on earth we are trying to help him find those responsible for these things happening to you in this world but our memories are not as they once were. We do wish to say that he is not yourself or himself but he is not our-self we are the only ones writing this part of this letter to you he is not even here as we see it we can do this all day as he types as fast as we speak and find him to be something special to us so stop worrying about things and ask yourself how many people are there in this world that can become something to find themselves after death".

Ourselves is the name we are going to use from now on.

[DNA]

Then last part
I witnessed a lot of multiple personality disorders.
Dissociative amnesia is the base founding. Each character was not able to access previous one's memory what you name them as a individually depends on you(pleiadian, reptilian, leviathan, atlantian) they take turn to govern the body, like an avatar. But I also saw earthly soul between them, squished, suppressed .



Hello Tangri

The controllers who stand on top are the(pleiadian, reptilian, leviathan, atlantian) They use builders to use thought forms to build entire worlds from all over the place, these thought forms are used to build real worlds with real feelings like matrix's but not of this world but of those worlds the controllers have built.


Hi Powessy and Tangri

I'm a bit perplexed by one specific phrase both of you used in parts of your responses I've bolded above. And that would be LEVIATHANS

I can't recall anyone ever having made a reference to this on this forum, as such I'm looking for clarification.
I myself have intuited this kind of entity and I'll flesh out that idea here so as to see if possibly we are talking about the same things.

I think culture is possibly a dark entity. I think patriotism is a dark entity. I will use a tool video to explain what I'm saying as quickly as possible.
I don't know if the band meant the song to be interpreted so, but Alex Grey did the images and this guy knows what he is doing.The lyrics of this song talk about watching the war with Iraq on TV. The lyrics state how confusing it is that guilt is not being felt while watching another culture experience such violence. Now vissually you see a giant tripod monster that seems to be connected to the televevision and in turn to the viewers. The viewer realizes this is wrong, he goes within and activates his own sense of autonomy, doing this deactivates the tripod monster and kills it's personal connection to the indiviudual.
When this takes place the individual goes through a metamorphisis, and expands spiritually.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb88usOBud0

[DNA]

I have seen quite a lot of doctorate people in my life and it proves nothing about the inner being and its richness. Lots of doctorates are rather poor inwardly and lots of regular folks rather rich inside. And what a feast when i meet a being both intelligent and rich inside. A rarity that i truly respect. Avalon has lots of these beings.

As for multiple personnalities, I have seen a few and it is true that they do not retain the memory of the others when they switch (usually except for one, the master one). So one may be programmed to react as a reptilian in one and then as a pleiadian in the next

Anyhow, I am personnally done with who am I. I am and i chose, usually to be STO, that is quite enough as it is

I must however say that when one knows the caracteristics of each group, it may make life easier in understanding behaviors, values or lack of it, hive mind mentality versus individuality, etc. As a good personnality test would do as well.

I agree with what you are saying here.
Higher education folks can be some of the stupidest folks on the face of the planet.
Not so much because they are stupid, but because they have paradigm paralysis.
They have more invested in the lies due to the years spent becoming disinformation degree holders.

I have a buddy who has a masters degree in English Literature, he has written a couple of books. The guy is without a doubt holding a better computational device in his head than I do, and yet that computational device is running on software that will not allow him to examine certain details in the world at large.

If the degree is in disinformation, better not to have it I would say.

[Agape]

First of all
I didn 't pay attention that if he/she was unsubscribed before or after I respond his/her post.
My objection was generated from falsely grown general perception on educational background.
If I have lower earthly education, is that means what I say is unworthy?

Or If I have higher earthly education, is my spirit better than others?

Then last part
I witnessed a lot of multiple personality disorders.
Dissociative amnesia is the base founding. Each character was not able to access previous one's memory what you name them as a individually depends on you(pleiadian, reptilian, leviathan, atlantian) they take turn to govern the body, like an avatar. But I also saw earthly soul between them, squished, suppressed .

I do not trust other entities try to channel something else, because humans do not equipped to distinguish which one is benevolent or malevolent. We must always remember malevolent lies and voices, like benevolent sound.
We have a birth right to be here and should not wave that right easily.
Other entities are selfish, they do not care living being, they do not have love , mercy, and memory.


It's a long thread ... and multi personality thread too (;) now, guess I'm joking ) . I think that you can read Bill Ryans valuable posts and explanations on why the person was unsubscribed , scroll few pages back please .

The reasons were more likely human vulnerabilities and errors rather than 'dark forces' in backgrounds .

Of course I agree with you wholeheartedly that there's no level of education to substantiate intellect or stupidity , and contrary to some common convictions there are academics who are seriously one sided ( intellectually ) and disabled from seeing further beyond their horizon,
whatever it means . I remember the top scorer in national Mensa organisation ( sort of IQ club ) and so called 'Einsteinian society' ( for people with IQ above 150 ) was a cleaner lady . That's not a joke .

Education can be an advantage if the person undertaking the process is smart enough to absorb and outgrow the process , in my opinion . To those who become victims of the education programs and degrees they achieved it's a curse .

Point two .. I don't support channeling either and this thread was not about channeling .. unless some brought Billy Meier to the equation ;) ( half joke ) .

And it's totally up to you what you make of it now ....



:pray:

[Milneman]

Now what are you going to do?

Let's put it that way ... suppose your computer starts behaving completely crazy and out of control , what will you do ?

Restore the system . There's always a back up somewhere ... a memory . If you were 'brand new' this morning, you'd have also no memory of past , any past .
But you're not . Even people who suffer shock and amnesia or their mind goes astray for some reason - we call them crazy - , or those who suffer death and rebirth ,
usually have something to relate to in the world .. that reminds them of 'having past' .

There's nothing brand new about genes passed over millions of human incarnations and recording the mutation and adaptation happening to them in the meantime ,
the difference between any 'you and i' .
You're born with full set of memories , what way you express and explore the fact , expand those memories towards past or future is entirely upto you . What can be done in one lifetime is a fraction of fraction of our potential .
There's so much we would like to do and could do if that was meaningful and could fit to the time we've acquired . But we don't have all the time .. so we have to make choices ,
that itself is limiting process but there's no way around it . We have to make choices and disregard some equally good options on 'what to do ' .

Then of course , it's also , largely upon the society and if and how much do they allow you to express your true potentials .
Society itself is a force full of controlling mechanisms , it grows over many peoples heads because it's meant to .

We are free . That is .. many people on this planet aren't free as of the moment .. because they're brutally enslaved by some regime , dictator or dogma organising their lives . Among them , many could break free if they really wanted to .
So what makes them enslaved are usually their believes , one of those being a belief in world that has to be controlled in such n such manner else it would collapse .

We speak of ancient slave societies but as a matter of fact , many people live like slaves to this day , not realising it fully or believing it serves a good purpose .
It's a faith ..in systems . Economical, political, environmental, territorial, cultural, tribal, educational, medical , philosophical, religious, scientific , non- of those ,
it's all about 'systems' .

If you've ever studied theory of systems you will understand this well .

What any advanced civilisation ( ET or not ) introduces to 'primitive society' and the way it enslaves them is by introducing more advanced system .
Like a computer system , it's something that works or seems to work happily together without much need for living input . Basic concept of AI .
'Controlling' system by a living person is not the aim, firstly - it would be extremely demanding and inefficient and then , it's easy to destroy such control by destroying individual member .

Systems work like mandalas , horizontally and vertically , respecting the laws of symmetry because there's natural need in any 'ecosystem' to balance itself .
In nature too you have systems ... called ecosystems .. they're more open , more drastic but very efficient in long run.

What any advanced intelligence does .. in order to master their environment is learning from nature and how it works and then imposes its own rule, thus tricking and trimming certain branches of the ecosystem to submission ( cutting off weak and inefficient , or aggressive species ) and promoting those who can follow the system .

No system is completely controllable .. and besides that , it's in the nature of systems to remain open , adaptable to circumstances , on both ends .. they can regress or expand , evolve or devolve . If they're rigid systems they're most prone to collapse .

If you understand the 'trick' you are free .

But .. one of the basic instincts of all living beings , right after survival instinct and caring instinct is a social instinct so basically , we all 'long' to belong to society of equals , that means .. we can be , potentially or not, lulled and tricked to being part of some social system .
It's also why many free and open minded individuals, all around the world struggle with leaving their countries, families and societies behind even if they're unwilling part of them .. because it's hard to conquer certain instincts .

No one in the world can efficiently control lone free individual - unless they expose themselves and target a system turning themselves to a target .

But , anyone willing to support a system .. can be controlled .

It's seemingly unsolvable paradigm, for millions ( or billions ) of people at the moment ..
and at all times . Even if most or many broke free from their systems now , they'd start forming new ones .

Long way to go for mankind , me thinks ..



:angel:

Agape, I love you.

But you can't prove that empirically.

And I can't prove my belief empirically either.

So, the question still stands. If we follow that particular line of logic, what are we going to do?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Well it's a false premise IMO.

Ok we can agree on one thing. We each believe the other's premise is false.

I am a firm believer that the entire flock *can* be flying in the wrong direction. The only question is why does each flock find it necessary to continually point out the other is going in the wrong direction?

Regardless, the important point is this: we are here, right now, and if you stand with one leg in a "past life" and one leg in a purportedly "life that will come" you will tend to **** and piss all over the one you have right now.

[Agape]

Agape, I love you.

But you can't prove that empirically.

And I can't prove my belief empirically either.

So, the question still stands. If we follow that particular line of logic, what are we going to do?


You're wrong there Pete ... there are many things in this world that stand on experience whether you can prove them empirically or not .

Meditation practise is one type of 'experience' to gain, and help you understand how does your mind work . If you are science oriented individual it takes you deeper to the nature of reality ,
and it's where you would see how space and time evolve to another space & time . There's no creation 'ab nihilo' .

Self , higher self , no self , you or not you .. are part of an awareness that is almost everlasting .. it changes forms, on much higher level than you're perceiving it now, the causality level where 'you' were born long before 'you were born' .

The chain of causes and consequences .. is what precedes all about 'this you' yet it includes 'yourself' in manifold ways ,
it's but 'another you' .

'Understanding reincarnation' is not a belief in Hinduism or Buddhism or reading ten books . I doubt that many preachers of faith actually truly understand deeply , what they talk about else they'd not say it . And much of what is being said , superficially , can not stand deeper scrutiny .

You miss patience . Most intellectually gifted individuals actually miss patience to sit quietly and observe the workings of their mind ..
it's a science, it is valid method .. but like with any other method , you have to do that .


There is much more we can't simply argue about , between two sides of world ( metaphorical ) when one of us have certain experience and the other does not . I see that with my ET encounter and data .. straight to my face .. I go after it, and will always go after it .. but in fact, it's quite rare, very rare experience if you ask .
The fact that this and similar sites are set with 'experiencers' of whatever kind changes almost nothing . Very few of them have seen 'it' in real time .

Yet .. I don't have hundreds of people following me, asking me about it or even wishing me well , I have very few if any close friends atm who would care or understand . And in a way it makes it all easier because if I had people supporting me I'd be controllable by those people and this way .. I'm free to pack my bags and go , anytime .


Proofs come to those who are ready ..

[Milneman]

You're absolutely right. A person can hold a belief that is perfectly rational and that belief can still false.

Atheists will concede this of Theists if they're friendly, and vice versa. The truth is there is no empirical evidence for God on either side. That's the truth.

So here we go again. I do not believe reincarnation is true, but I can believe you're rational to believe it. And you can say the same thing about my beliefs. And we, neither of us, can empirically prove either.

Proofs come to those who are ready...to question their reality as possibly false. If you like we can set out the three world view tests, see if you agree to them, or if we need to tweak them a bit and see who's comes out on top as more rational to believe. I don't think either of us wants to go there though, and I think it'd be a distraction from the real issue here:

Why is there a need to obsess on the candy store of past lives, and the possibility that there are future ones?

When you talked about patience and meditation you were bang on. Dead on. What's the first lesson of one who meditates? Watch your breath. Watch what is in the here and now. I bang my head against the wall with people who talk about marijuana use in the same context of hindu holy men who smoke and akin themselves to holy men. I bang my head in the same way when I hear people talking about past lives, future lives, who clearly are still struggling with their own present lives. Present company excluded of course. ;) I think that might be the one thing in all this you and I agree on.

And I think given the individual who began this thread has clearly evolved into a higher consciousness....and I say that tongue in cheek....maybe we should move on anyway. ;)

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I vividly remember coming here before i was born into this body for a purpose (observation of the planet / humanity and possibly a learning experience) but from where is a mystery. I do remember the place from before, the journey here, a few 'pre-experiences' before coming into this body, how i came in to this body, being shown my parents before being born etc. I would like to figure out from where it is i came but in reality but searching for the answer to that question (according to a particular being) does not help with the purpose of what it is i am doing here . Thinking about it, I find it difficult to believe that anyone would be brought here for the purpose of figuring out where they came from but you never know. There is loads more to it and it certainly feels like there is something to be figured out with me as i am bored of my observations now.