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ExomatrixTV
20th September 2014, 19:21
Soon 1000s will do the same ;) lol :cool:

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ExomatrixTV
20th September 2014, 19:49
lol :cool:

Koyaanisqatsi
20th September 2014, 23:32
Try that in my neighborhood.. How is she not damaging mother earth with her gas consuming, fume emitting machine she rides on? Small minded with extreme conviction, a dangerous combination. A hypocrite it seems.

DeDukshyn
21st September 2014, 02:30
Try that in my neighborhood.. How is she not damaging mother earth with her gas consuming, fume emitting machine she rides on? Small minded with extreme conviction, a dangerous combination. A hypocrite it seems.

Your comment is pathetic.

Here she is driving a small motorbike, likely getting 70-90 mpg, compare to the 20-30 mpg all the cars are getting (making a HUGE difference in pollution output), and cleaning up the litter that they are throwing into the streets, and you call her a hypocrite?

Go clean up some litter off the streets, and maybe then come back and comment.

joeecho
21st September 2014, 15:10
Try that in my neighborhood.. How is she not damaging mother earth with her gas consuming, fume emitting machine she rides on? Small minded with extreme conviction, a dangerous combination. A hypocrite it seems.

Your comment is pathetic.

Here she is driving a small motorbike, likely getting 70-90 mpg, compare to the 20-30 mpg all the cars are getting (making a HUGE difference in pollution output), and cleaning up the litter that they are throwing into the streets, and you call her a hypocrite?

Go clean up some litter off the streets, and maybe then come back and comment.

It's all relative no matter how you split the pie.

A bicycle or walking has a much smaller carbon foot print then a motorcycle. But then you could cut the pie further into what the walker does at home and what food they eat etc. (Walkers and bicyclist could also point fingers at each other as well)

We are all polluters of the environment in one way or another so consequently all have polluted (sinned) so in that way, pointing out another sinner is a form of hypocrisy.

But don't let that stop you, point away and feel superior but don't be surprised if there isn't also fingers pointing at you too.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/cag-300x225.jpg

In fact, that finger one points at another might find one day that it was pointing to itself.

http://www.pbglifestyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/pointing-fingers.jpg

TargeT
21st September 2014, 17:17
carbon foot print




I don't even know how to respond to this.

If you utter the word "carbon" and connect it to pollution and "damaging earth" you are exploratory of the power of propaganda.

Please reasearch these topics your self, do not allow your self to be spoon fed information. Find data, understand the data set, the context the application AND THEN Look at the source of that data, the funding the agenda, the participants.

Life is very complex, by saying "carbon foot print" you are showing the world you are not ready for the training wheels to come off yet and setting your self up for a hard intellectual correction and eventual exposure of your lack of effort on this topic.

Due Diligence will get you far, but blindly following talking points handed to you from "authority figures" will further your current debt-slave existence.

Save your self, only you can do it.

BTW my truck gets 9.7MPG, and I am concerned about that, because gasoline (energy) is taxed so heavily its expensive to drive not because my truck produces a necessary component for photosynthesis.


BTW, I find this DELICIOUSLY ironic:

Small minded with extreme conviction, a dangerous combination. A hypocrite it seems.

Dangerous combination indeed, how's it working out for you?

DeDukshyn
21st September 2014, 18:01
It's all relative no matter how you split the pie.

But then you could cut the pie further into what the walker does at home and what food they eat etc. (Walkers and bicyclist could also point fingers at each other as well)

Explain how this is relevant to someone addressing throwing litter out of cars onto the streets? What is this "pie" you speak of ;) You make it sound like we should all litter our asses off because the pie has too many slices for any of us to worry about, lest we get out our fingers and point?

If everyone used a motorcycle to travel, the pollution output might be reduced to half of what it is today, or at least a significant reduction - considering the average car gets 10-30mpg (normal daily driving) and motorcycles 60-90 under daily driving.

If one person makes that choice, they have contributed to their part in that reduction. If one can walk or bicycle everywhere they need to in life, even better, but most people certainly can't do that all the time.

If everyone picked up 2 pieces of litter per day, or at least brought attention to the problem via other methods, our city's may come to be more beautiful and lurch less crap into our natural environments.

If one person chooses this they have done their part in achieving just that.

I think it's pretty simple actually. ;)

ExomatrixTV
21st September 2014, 18:35
Ver well said :thumb:TargeT (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?7134-TargeT)

joeecho
21st September 2014, 18:51
carbon foot print

If you utter the word "carbon" and connect it to pollution and "damaging earth" you are exploratory of the power of propaganda.


:no:

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/swearing/talk-to-the-hand-smiley-emoticon.gif

No one owns words including the ones I use any more then the Nazi's own(ed) the Swastika. You may have a negative connotation to the words I use but that is not on me but for you to own. I will not be controlled by some one else's limitations.

http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-the-name-reservation-has-a-negative-connotation-among-native-americans-an-intern-camp-of-sorts-john-russell-160513.jpg

joeecho
21st September 2014, 19:00
It's all relative no matter how you split the pie.

But then you could cut the pie further into what the walker does at home and what food they eat etc. (Walkers and bicyclist could also point fingers at each other as well)

Explain how this is relevant to someone addressing throwing litter out of cars onto the streets? What is this "pie" you speak of ;) You make it sound like we should all litter our asses off because the pie has too many slices for any of us to worry about, lest we get out our fingers and point?

If everyone used a motorcycle to travel, the pollution output might be reduced to half of what it is today, or at least a significant reduction - considering the average car gets 10-30mpg (normal daily driving) and motorcycles 60-90 under daily driving.

If one person makes that choice, they have contributed to their part in that reduction. If one can walk or bicycle everywhere they need to in life, even better, but most people certainly can't do that all the time.

If everyone picked up 2 pieces of litter per day, or at least brought attention to the problem via other methods, our city's may come to be more beautiful and lurch less crap into our natural environments.

If one person chooses this they have done their part in achieving just that.

I think it's pretty simple actually. ;)

I understand and appreciate elements of your post but I was showing there is another shoe to the argument. If you cannot find the other shoe then by all means, hop along.

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-WD487_shoe_D_20130128142037.jpg

Oouthere
21st September 2014, 19:22
I hate liter bugs but motorcycles do not get 60+ miles per gallon unless it's 125cc or something so small it can hardly be ridden on the highway. My DL650 got at best 56 mpg with two teeth increased on the front sprocket for highway driving. My C50 gets 40 on a good day and high 30's if I dog it out. The most it ever got was 45 mpg. My daughters Virago 250 clone gets about 50 city and 30 highway because it strains so hard to do 70.

Rich

DeDukshyn
21st September 2014, 19:29
It's all relative no matter how you split the pie.

But then you could cut the pie further into what the walker does at home and what food they eat etc. (Walkers and bicyclist could also point fingers at each other as well)

Explain how this is relevant to someone addressing throwing litter out of cars onto the streets? What is this "pie" you speak of ;) You make it sound like we should all litter our asses off because the pie has too many slices for any of us to worry about, lest we get out our fingers and point?

If everyone used a motorcycle to travel, the pollution output might be reduced to half of what it is today, or at least a significant reduction - considering the average car gets 10-30mpg (normal daily driving) and motorcycles 60-90 under daily driving.

If one person makes that choice, they have contributed to their part in that reduction. If one can walk or bicycle everywhere they need to in life, even better, but most people certainly can't do that all the time.

If everyone picked up 2 pieces of litter per day, or at least brought attention to the problem via other methods, our city's may come to be more beautiful and lurch less crap into our natural environments.

If one person chooses this they have done their part in achieving just that.

I think it's pretty simple actually. ;)

I understand and appreciate elements of your post but I was showing there is another shoe to the argument. If you cannot find the other shoe then by all means, hop along.

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-WD487_shoe_D_20130128142037.jpg

From my view the shoe isn't fitting, thus it was discarded. :P

DeDukshyn
21st September 2014, 19:35
I hate liter bugs but motorcycles do not get 60+ miles per gallon unless it's 125cc or something so small it can hardly be ridden on the highway. My DL650 got at best 56 mpg with two teeth increased on the front sprocket for highway driving. My C50 gets 40 on a good day and high 30's if I dog it out. The most it ever got was 45 mpg. My daughters Virago 250 clone gets about 50 city and 30 highway because it strains so hard to do 70.

Rich

Well true, not all motorcycles get awesome mileage, but many actually do.

You may need some new motorbikes, yours are horribly inefficient :P. A Yamaha V-Star 1300cc Touring can get up to 78mpg. Mind you that's on the highway but that's over 10X the displacement of the 125 you were talking about. Or a Honda CMX250C with up to 84 mpg.

http://greenlivingideas.com/2013/01/25/getting-around-green-consider-a-motorcycle/

Check out this list: I think the two bikes I mentioned are in here:
http://gas2.org/2013/04/27/13-high-mpg-my2013-motorcycles-you-can-buy/

joeecho
21st September 2014, 19:47
It's all relative no matter how you split the pie.

But then you could cut the pie further into what the walker does at home and what food they eat etc. (Walkers and bicyclist could also point fingers at each other as well)

Explain how this is relevant to someone addressing throwing litter out of cars onto the streets? What is this "pie" you speak of ;) You make it sound like we should all litter our asses off because the pie has too many slices for any of us to worry about, lest we get out our fingers and point?

If everyone used a motorcycle to travel, the pollution output might be reduced to half of what it is today, or at least a significant reduction - considering the average car gets 10-30mpg (normal daily driving) and motorcycles 60-90 under daily driving.

If one person makes that choice, they have contributed to their part in that reduction. If one can walk or bicycle everywhere they need to in life, even better, but most people certainly can't do that all the time.

If everyone picked up 2 pieces of litter per day, or at least brought attention to the problem via other methods, our city's may come to be more beautiful and lurch less crap into our natural environments.

If one person chooses this they have done their part in achieving just that.

I think it's pretty simple actually. ;)

I understand and appreciate elements of your post but I was showing there is another shoe to the argument. If you cannot find the other shoe then by all means, hop along.

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-WD487_shoe_D_20130128142037.jpg

From my view the shoe isn't fitting, thus it was discarded. :P

It could be that you gave up too easily. Try loosening the shoelaces, use a shoehorn or....clip those hideous toenails! :P

TargeT
21st September 2014, 21:51
I hate liter bugs but motorcycles do not get 60+ miles per gallon unless it's 125cc or something so small it can hardly be ridden on the highway. My DL650 got at best 56 mpg with two teeth increased on the front sprocket for highway driving. My C50 gets 40 on a good day and high 30's if I dog it out. The most it ever got was 45 mpg. My daughters Virago 250 clone gets about 50 city and 30 highway because it strains so hard to do 70.

Rich

Well true, not all motorcycles get awesome mileage, but many actually do.

You may need some new motorbikes, yours are horribly inefficient :P. A Yamaha V-Star 1300cc Touring can get up to 78mpg. Mind you that's on the highway but that's over 10X the displacement of the 125 you were talking about. Or a Honda CMX250C with up to 84 mpg.

http://greenlivingideas.com/2013/01/25/getting-around-green-consider-a-motorcycle/

Check out this list: I think the two bikes I mentioned are in here:
http://gas2.org/2013/04/27/13-high-mpg-my2013-motorcycles-you-can-buy/

My motorcycle gets infinity miles to the gallon, or about 70m/5.7KWH

joeecho
21st September 2014, 22:02
I hate liter bugs but motorcycles do not get 60+ miles per gallon unless it's 125cc or something so small it can hardly be ridden on the highway. My DL650 got at best 56 mpg with two teeth increased on the front sprocket for highway driving. My C50 gets 40 on a good day and high 30's if I dog it out. The most it ever got was 45 mpg. My daughters Virago 250 clone gets about 50 city and 30 highway because it strains so hard to do 70.

Rich

Well true, not all motorcycles get awesome mileage, but many actually do.

You may need some new motorbikes, yours are horribly inefficient :P. A Yamaha V-Star 1300cc Touring can get up to 78mpg. Mind you that's on the highway but that's over 10X the displacement of the 125 you were talking about. Or a Honda CMX250C with up to 84 mpg.

http://greenlivingideas.com/2013/01/25/getting-around-green-consider-a-motorcycle/

Check out this list: I think the two bikes I mentioned are in here:
http://gas2.org/2013/04/27/13-high-mpg-my2013-motorcycles-you-can-buy/

My motorcycle gets infinity miles to the gallon, or about 70m/5.7KWH

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/fq53965db9.gif

Oouthere
22nd September 2014, 01:34
I hate liter bugs but motorcycles do not get 60+ miles per gallon unless it's 125cc or something so small it can hardly be ridden on the highway. My DL650 got at best 56 mpg with two teeth increased on the front sprocket for highway driving. My C50 gets 40 on a good day and high 30's if I dog it out. The most it ever got was 45 mpg. My daughters Virago 250 clone gets about 50 city and 30 highway because it strains so hard to do 70.

Rich

Well true, not all motorcycles get awesome mileage, but many actually do.

You may need some new motorbikes, yours are horribly inefficient :P. A Yamaha V-Star 1300cc Touring can get up to 78mpg. Mind you that's on the highway but that's over 10X the displacement of the 125 you were talking about. Or a Honda CMX250C with up to 84 mpg.

http://greenlivingideas.com/2013/01/25/getting-around-green-consider-a-motorcycle/

Check out this list: I think the two bikes I mentioned are in here:
http://gas2.org/2013/04/27/13-high-mpg-my2013-motorcycles-you-can-buy/

My motorcycle gets infinity miles to the gallon, or about 70m/5.7KWH

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/fq53965db9.gif

Wow, 78 mpg is pretty good! This guy keeps his records on line and only gets 44 mpg on his 2013 V-star 1300. http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/yamaha/xvs1300_v_star_1300_deluxe

That 250 Honda is very good, these guys are getting up there! http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/honda/cmx250c_rebel

But bikes overall are not super cheap to operate. A cheap back tire on my V-Strom went about 3,000 miles and a good tire would last 9,000 miles at $125 each. Also went through $750 in chains in 40,000 miles even with an on-bike chain oiling system. That's why I went to the C50, it has a shaft drive and gets about 15,000 miles per tire. I ride almost daily.

Rich

TargeT
22nd September 2014, 04:06
a 1300 is a HUGE engine on a bike.. anything over 1000cc is "extreme excess" so 44mpg is pretty damn impressive!


My bike (http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-fx/) has a carbonfiber belt, I'm really hoping it lasts a lot longer, but at 4,900 miles my stock tires are looking like they have about 1,500 miles or less left on them (though the environment in the USVI is VERY harsh on all rubbers).

If I was to do this down here I'd never get to actually ride my bike, littering on these islands is ubiquitous and I HATE that my conclusions always come back to the causation being "laziness" (I guess I just wish better of people).

I see what I'm riding now as the Model T of electric motorcycles; and the explosion of electric vehicles that is coming will be breathtaking (IMO), I too ride every day (maybe only 10 days I didn't ride in the last year and a half).

Koyaanisqatsi
18th October 2014, 16:18
Try that in my neighborhood.. How is she not damaging mother earth with her gas consuming, fume emitting machine she rides on? Small minded with extreme conviction, a dangerous combination. A hypocrite it seems.

Your comment is pathetic.

Here she is driving a small motorbike, likely getting 70-90 mpg, compare to the 20-30 mpg all the cars are getting (making a HUGE difference in pollution output), and cleaning up the litter that they are throwing into the streets, and you call her a hypocrite?

Go clean up some litter off the streets, and maybe then come back and comment.

My comment was not pathetic, it was honest. By the way, her throwing the trash on another person isn't exactly 'cleaning up litter'. I come from a dangerous place, a violent place where doing this would be very dangerous. I don't think you'd last very long in that world, but hey, you seem to have it all figured out so good luck. For the record, i know people who dont use motored vehicles in an attempt to align their lives with their value system. So, in my opinion, your response is pathetic, naive, and coming from a place i cannot relate to. Canada must have some mean streets lol