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Billy
22nd September 2014, 12:04
Wow. The UK Parliament Will Vote To Recognize The State Of Palestine.

http://falastinews.com/2014/09/21/uk-parliament-will-vote-recognize-state-palestine/


In an apparent sign of division between back and front bench MPs in the House of Commons, backbenchers have secured a vote for the House to recognize the state of Palestine.

The title of the debate will be: THE FUTURE OF THE TWO STATE SOLUTION IN ISRAEL AND PALESTINE.

The debate will take place on 13 Oct 2014, it will be six hours long and happen in the main chamber.

It will be a debate on a substantive motion: “That this House calls on the government to recognise the state of Palestine alongside the state of Israel”

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The debate will be a Backbench Business Debate (BBD). Backbench MPs can make applications for debates and the Backbench Business Committee (BBC) decides on whether to allow the debate time in parliament. It is the BBC who are responsible for making the debate happen.

The application was originally presented to the BBC on 8th April 2014. They deferred their decision until after recess. Sources within Westminster told Scriptonite Daily that the primary reason for this was a rival application submitted by a coalition of Labour, Lib Dem and Tory friends of Israel.

Grahame Morris MP (Labour) re-presented the application again last Tuesday with the support of two Lead Members: Sarah Teather MP (LIB) and Crispin Blunt MP (CON). Labour’s Gerald Kaufman MP joined Morris, and the pair persuasively argued the case for the debate.

It’s the government, not the House that recognises states. Plus, it’s a BBD so the motions are none binding. Essentially, the vote will be an expression of the will of the House.

If it’s a yes vote the government and any subsequent government would be pressured towards recognising Palestine. It would be a PR disaster for the govt. to refuse to recognise Palestine if MPs expressed their will that Palestine should be recognised.

It will put pressure on Labour back up Douglas Alexander’s stance that a future Labour government would recognise the state of Palestine, after the UK government abstained on the 2012 UN General Assembly vote.

The government will also have to clarify their position. While paying lip service to the notions of Palestinian statehood, the coalition government have contradicted this in actions, such as the decision to abstain on the 2012 UN vote.

This is in line with the policy of US President Barack Obama who has also made repeated public appeals for the two-state solution, while veto-ing Palestine’s bid to become a member of the United Nations. He publicly criticized Israel for expanding its illegal settlement construction, yet vetoed a planned UN Security Council Resolution to tackle the problem.

This vote is intended to put some space between UK and US policy on the matter.

Grahame Morris MP told Scriptonite Daily:


“I’m delighted that we have secured this debate. Abstaining on the recognition of the state of Palestine in the UN General Assembly was an utterly shameful act that placed the UK on the wrong side of history.

The consensus from all Westminster parties is that the only resolution to the Israel-Palestine conflict is a just peace founded on a two-state solution. So far, this has been government policy in rhetoric only.

We know that only independence and sovereignty for Palestine can save the two-state solution. We hear a lot of talk in support of the peace process but on October 13th MPs will have the opportunity to back up their words with actions.”

Read more here. http://falastinews.com/2014/09/21/uk-parliament-will-vote-recognize-state-palestine/

araucaria
22nd September 2014, 12:13
The House doesn't do Yes votes just at the moment. Come back in thirty years?

kemo
22nd September 2014, 13:01
I doubt it will get through but on a free vote - maybe. Shame on whoever votes against. For God's sake this is their country. The Israelis are the occupiers and that's why Hamas fights them.Not because they are Jews but because they are the occupiers.

Billy
22nd September 2014, 13:34
The House doesn't do Yes votes just at the moment. Come back in thirty years?

araucaria, i want to say, as a sovereign being of earths humanity. I love you. :yo:

I think the UK government just had the biggest kick up the dark place where the sun does not shine.

One of Scotland's intentions, If independence had been achieved, was to recognize Palestine as an independent country. And also to bring wounded Palestinians to Scotland to be treated in Scottish hospitals. With the blessings of the people of Scotland and much to Westminster's disapproval. And now they decide to vote on this matter. Westminster are running scared.

Peace.

araucaria
22nd September 2014, 14:12
One of Scotland's intentions, If independence had been achieved, was to recognize Palestine as an independent country. And also to bring wounded Palestinians to Scotland to be treated in Scottish hospitals. With the blessings of the people of Scotland and much to Westminster's disapproval. And now they decide to vote on this matter. Westminster are running scared.

Peace.
Wow, Billy, I didn't know that. Scotland the brave again. They will need to rush through their English only policy and dress this up as an English only issue. I'm sure that could be done, but it would make very interesting reading and I don't think they'd dare.

kemo
22nd September 2014, 14:29
Well Cameron is backsliding already. He's made a complete mess of this and his backbenchers know it. Now they want to use for narrow party advantage to stop Scottish MPs voting on "English" issues. How many important issues are "English" issues. If the UK is to remain united then of course Scotland must be represented at Westminster. The so called West Lothian problem isn't a problem at all. Just sour grapes that the Tories only have one Scottish MP. I must say I would have been sorry if it had been yes but if I still lived in Scotland I might have voted in favour. I suspect that many Scots wanted to vote yes but it was only fear of the unknown and all the outside pressure that decided it. I certainly don't think it is fixed for a generation as Cameron would like to think. That depends.

aheb
22nd September 2014, 15:41
How many mp's are "friends of Israel" I know that Cameron and Osborn both are, and I think that Milliband is probably one as well!!

Snookie
22nd September 2014, 16:21
Well Cameron is backsliding already. He's made a complete mess of this and his backbenchers know it. Now they want to use for narrow party advantage to stop Scottish MPs voting on "English" issues. How many important issues are "English" issues. If the UK is to remain united then of course Scotland must be represented at Westminster. The so called West Lothian problem isn't a problem at all. Just sour grapes that the Tories only have one Scottish MP. I must say I would have been sorry if it had been yes but if I still lived in Scotland I might have voted in favour. I suspect that many Scots wanted to vote yes but it was only fear of the unknown and all the outside pressure that decided it. I certainly don't think it is fixed for a generation as Cameron would like to think. That depends.

There was some really good analysis done on the Scottish referendum on the Sunday No Agenda Show ( Episode 654 for anyone who may wish to refer to it after the next show is posted).

Someone wrote in and gave their feedback. I didn't listen really close to it but it made a lot of sense. It had to do with the number of seats one party had in parliament, so it sounds like the same thing you're saying.

They also mentioned the YT videos showing there seemed to be voter fraud involved.
http://www.noagendashow.com

Limor Wolf
23rd September 2014, 06:30
These "initiatives" could be welcomed and most necessary provided they were real.. unfortunately, our world (UK parlament included as we all know) is taken by forces who like to play games (deepening nationalistic feelings is simply one of those) and wouldn't identify a real desire for improvement if that hit them on the head, any games between those overly egotistic undeveloped entities are for other purposes then achieving life improvement for any citizen on this planet, be them Palestinians, Afgans or Iraqis . Our world needs to change, together with our consciousness and where we put our hopes.. (answer: apparently in the wrong buckets), Playing over and over with the cards from a pack that is signed and arranged by others is not going to get us out of this constant and endless loop.

Limor Wolf
9th December 2014, 09:05
Some proper words from the mouth of Ken O'Keefe, Imo.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyXfaWaLAnw