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Zionbrion
25th September 2014, 19:09
This article came across my FB newfeed today, I am wondering what you scientifically minded Avalonians think about it.

UPDATE: this is from 2010, as it was pointed out to me. Any merit still?

Also if you view the original article at the link near the bottom, it is complete with images.

POSTED ON SEPTEMBER 7, 2010 BY ROCKINGJUDE

Image via Wikipedia
by Lord Stirling Evansville, IN, United States


The latest satellite data establishes that the North Atlantic Current (also called the North Atlantic Drift) no longer exists and along with it the Norway Current. These two warm water currents are actually part of the same system that has several names depending on where in the Atlantic Ocean it is. The entire system is a key part of the planet’s heat regulatory system; it is what keeps Ireland and the United Kingdom mostly ice free and the Scandinavia countries from being too cold; it is what keeps the entire world from another Ice Age. This Thermohaline Circulation System is now dead in places and dying in others.

This ‘river’ of warm water that moves through the Atlantic Ocean is called, in various places, the South Atlantic Current, the North Brazil Current, the Caribbean Current, the Yucatan Current, the Loop Current, the Florida Current, the Gulf Stream, the North Atlantic Current (or North Atlantic Drift) and the Norway Current.


The thermohaline circulation is sometimes called the ocean conveyor belt, the great ocean conveyor, or the global conveyor belt.

It is a university level physics experiment to use a tub of cool water and inject a colored stream of warm water into it. You can see the boundary layers of the warm water stream. If you add oil to the tub it breaks down the boundary layers of the warm water stream and effectively destroys the current vorticity . This is what is happening in the Gulf of Mexico and in the Atlantic Ocean.

The entire ‘river of warm water’ that flows from the Caribbean to the edges of Western Europe is dying due to the Corexit that the Obama Administration allowed BP to use to hide the scale of the BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Disaster. The approximately two million gallons of Corexit, plus several million gallons of other dispersants, have caused the over two hundred million gallons of crude oil, that has gushed for months from the BP wellhead and nearby sites, to mostly sink to the bottom of the ocean. This has helped to effectively hide much of the oil, with the hopes that BP can seriously reduce the mandated federal fines from the oil disaster. However, there is no current way to effectively ‘clean up’ the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico, which is about half covered in crude oil. Additionally, the oil has flowed up the East Coast of America and into the North Atlantic Ocean, and there is no way to effectively clean up this ‘sea bottom oil’. It is likely, based on numerous reports, that the oil is still flowing in massive amounts from multiple places on the seabed floor. This effectively means, that even if we had the technology in place to somehow clean up the free flowing thick crude oil deep in the ocean, it would likely not be enough to reverse the damage to the Thermohaline Circulation System in the Atlantic Ocean.
Dr. Deagle: The evidence has come in from ROV video and other experts such as Matt Simmons, BK Lim, and Lindsay Williams and my own anonymous whistleblowers from inside the closed circle of Cameron Ironworks, Tranocean Marine , Oceaneering International. My source provided very solid info re the ROV analysis by Oceaneering engineers that the BOP Blow Out Preventer was ‘modified’ and never had hydraulics to close the BOP. BP knew that the field had dangerous high levels of methane, hydrogen sulphide, and pressures exceeded any valve technology as the current state of the art. The seeps continue along a fractured fault line from the Macondo well site where evidence presented by BK Lim that the only well of three that reached the abiotic batholith ocean of oil and gas was never capped or stopped and has continued to leak along the ocean floor and inject oil and gas and tar into the rock strata.

Dr Gianluigi Zangari PhD from the Frascati Institute is a Theoretical Physicist, who has worked for years with a collaborative network of scientists monitoring the Gulf of Mexico Loop Current and its contribution to the Thermohaline Current System that makes the Gulf Stream that becomes the North Atlantic DriftCurrent and subcurrents. After receiving a contact from a naval scientist via a regular guest on the NutriMedical Report national radio show, on Genesis Network, John Moore sent Dr. Deagle the info on Dr Zangari’s work. Dr. Deagle contacted him by SKYPE and and within minutes was conversing by SKYPE to Italy with Dr Zangari re his serious analysis with data from six satellites of the May to June 12th 2010 dissolution of the Loop Current. Over the next few weeks to July 28th, with numerous interviews on The NutriMedical Report and LiveStream.com/TheNutriMedicalReportShow updates, final proof was provided that the Gulf Stream had been stopped cold at the 47th longitudinal parallel with a 10 degree Celsius ocean temperature drop, and loss of velocity and energy, so that the Gulf Stream was only able to be measured by satellite to less than one-third the way across theAtlantic ocean. As Dr Zangari stated, this is not the butterfly effect but the ‘elephant effect’, and with the amount of oil released, the natural system linked as the pacemaker to world climate for millions of years, this was now gone, replaced by an artificial system with a Gulf of Mexico by late July seven degrees Celsius above normals, and totally disconnected Loop Current from the Florida current that becomes the Gulf Stream. In his reported on June 12th 2010 in a journal article, the CCAR Colorado data agreed with the NOAA and US Naval Satellites data. This live satellite data map later altered on the CCAR servers, and he emailed that this was “to falsify” and he could not explain this fact logically. He returned to NOAA and US Naval data on the same and later dates and stated by early August that the CCAR data was no longer reliable and his conclusions was not changed in quality or quantity of the serious consequences. His conclusion that ‘glaciation’ at an unknown pace was inevitable from this disaster.

Almost a month ago, we broke the story that the Loop Current in the Gulf of Mexico had effectively died. We quoted Dr. Gianluizi Zangari, who first discovered the damage to the Thermohaline Circulation System:

“As displayed by both by the sea surface maps and the sea surface height maps, the Loop Current broke down for the first time around May 18th and generated a clock wise eddy, which is still active. As of today the situation has deteriorated up to the point in which the eddy has detached itself completely from the main stream therefore destroying completely the Loop Current. ..”
“It is reasonable to foresee the threat that the breaking of [such] a crucial warm stream as the Loop Current may generate a chain reaction of unpredictable critical phenomena and instabilities due to strong non-linearities which may have serious consequences on the dynamics of the Gulf Stream thermoregulation activity of the Global Climate.” —Dr. Gianluigi Zangari,

The massive amount of crude oil, ever expanding in volume and covering such an enormous area, has seriously affected the entire thermoregulation system of the planet, by breaking up the boundary layers of the warm water flow. The Loop Current in the Gulf of Mexico ceased to exist a month ago, the latest satellite data clearly shows that the North Atlantic Current is now GONE and the Gulf Stream begins to break apart approximately 250 miles from the Outer Banks of North Carolina. The Thermohaline Circulatory System, where the warm water current flows through a much cooler, much larger, ocean, effects the upper atmosphere above the current as much as seven miles high. The lack of this normal effect in the eastern North Atlantic has disrupted the normal flow of the atmospheric Jet Stream this summer, causing unheard of high temperatures in Moscow (104F) and drought, and flooding in Central Europe, with high temperatures in much of Asia and massive flooding in China, Pakistan, and elsewhere in Asia.


A Normal Gulf Stream taken from September2004.



Figure 2. Gulf Stream velocities two weeks ago: Sunday 15 August 2010




Figure 4. Gulf Stream velocities four weeks ago: Sunday 1 August 2010


Figure 1. Gulf Stream velocities one week ago: Wednesday 18 August 2010


Figure 2. Gulf Stream velocities two weeks ago: Wednesday 11 August


Figure 3. Gulf Stream velocities three weeks ago: Wednesday 4 August 2010


The most current data continues to show a dying of the entire Thermohaline Circulation System in the Atlantic Ocean. This is indicative of the fact that the dispersants have caused the oil to remain in place below the surface, and according to most reports remain in almost full amounts (up to 80%) long after the BP Oil Disaster began. Since there is no current way to remove this massive amount of free flowing oil below the sea at depths up to one mile deep, it is apt to continue to effect any natural recovery of the Thermohaline Circulation System.


So what does this mean? Violent mixing of the seasons, crop failures, and increased drought and floods in diverse places is now daily news since the April 20th 2010 BP Oil Volcano. They have killed the pacemaker of world climate in the worlds of Dr Zangari PhD. Dr Mike Coffman PhD geologist resource climatologist, and Dr Tim Ball PhD climatologist have confirmed that if this data is correct, that an ice age and massive climate shift with famine is now imminent. We are now seeing Russia stop all delivery of wheat crops on prior contracts, and most sources of staple food crops moving worldwide in a crisis of famine. The Gulf Stream and related currents are effectively DEAD. This should enrage the public and bring forth scientists to challenge and support the data and analysis, for the consequences to the civilization of mankind and ecological collapse have global consequence producing famine, death and massive population migration away from zones of advancing ice age and regions unfit for human habitation. Let us get the facts and call the corporate and government to task on these issues now or face worldwide catechisms of biblical proportions. We shall continue to report with new scientific experts on this most important disaster.

The ‘process’ of entering a new Ice Age could begin coming upon us in full force (rather like in the movie “The Day After Tomorrow”) at any time, or it could take three to five year to fully play out with early glaciation beginning in North America and Europe and Asia this winter (both models have existed in the beginnings of different Ice Ages in Earth’s past).

Current sea surface temperature satellite data show pre-Ice Age cooling continuing – image ~



A new Ice Age, could kill 2/3 of the human race in the first year in a rapid onset; a slower onset would likely kill close to this number but simply take a handful of years.! Thank you BP; thank you President Obama, the lies and the dispersants were just great. Now if you could just direct all that hot air to the right places maybe we can avoid a icy hell in our near future.

UPDATE 2September2010: Europe is going into an early winter ~ link ~ with snowfall in the Alps coming a month early ~ link ~ half a meter of snow in late August in Norway ~ link ~ early snow in Russia ~ link ~ Additionally, sea ice in the Antarctic is at near record levels ~ link ~ and coldest August in South Australia in 35 years ~ link ~ This is indicative of a major climatic change to the entire planet and is to be expected from the dying Thermohaline Circulation System in the Atlantic Ocean.

Dr Bill Deagle MD AAEM
The NutriMedical Report Show on Genesis Network
www.NutriMedical.com

Dr. Bill Deagle is a environmental physician with a background in marine oceanography and host of the NutriMedical Report international radio talk show. Lord Stirling has been a consultant to a number of high-technology firms and is host of EUROPE a popular news site.

Links:
The Gulf Steam ~ link ~ The Gulf Stream is bigger than the combined flow of the Mississippi, the Nile, the Congo, the Amazon, the Volga, the Yangtze and many other major rivers of the world. The best technical estimate is that one hundred thousand million tons of warm salt water flow between Florida and the Bahamas every hour. At 235 gallons per ton, we have 235 x 1010 gallons per hour flowing between two and five miles per hour northward. This flow has been estimated to be about twenty times greater than all the fresh water in the world flowing into the oceans of the world from rain, rivers, and melting ice.

This great mass of flowing water, or energy, has no beginning or ending, for its waters flow continuously northward along our east coast then east across the North Atlantic to the coasts of Europe and the United Kingdom, where it turns south and flows along western Europe and Africa, before again turning westward across the South Atlantic to the Caribbean basin. Lake any large river, it has tributaries, counter currents and eddies.

This entire circulation is not called the Gulf Stream; only the portion that flows northward beginning in the Caribbean Islands and flows to the mid-Atlantic at the latitude of the North Sea is so named. There are many other names for the other segments.

How is it possible to have such a continuous source of energy that moves the estimated one hundred thousand million tons of water (100,000,000,000 [1010]) past Miami at the rate of two to five miles per hour? This is perhaps the greatest simple source of power in the world.

Simply explained, the earth rotates counter-clockwise, and the combination of the rotation and the viscous fluids, air and water, produces a pumping action that pushes the water of the South Atlantic westward. The atmosphere, resisting the world’s rotation, produces what we call Trade Winds. Because the earth is spinning faster than the surrounding mantle of air, on the surface of the earth the winds blow from the east. Thus, the great expanse of water in the South Atlantic is pushed westward by both the earth’s rotation and the less viscous air, until it is thrust against the land masses of Central and South America, and is forced to split into two streams–the Brazil Current, flowing south, and the Gulf Stream, flowing north, the Gulf Stream being greater of the two.

The volume of water returning from Europe and Africa has been calculated to be substantially less than the volume of water of the Gulf Stream between Miami and the Bahamas. Some of this increased volume is attributed to the funnel, or venture, effect, caused by the narrowing of the Gulf Stream between Miami, Bimini and Cat Cay, which increases the Gulf Stream’s velocity and drags additional volumes of water along.

There are many doubts about who actually discovered the Gulf Stream. Credit is often given to Anto de Alaminos, the pilot for Ponce de Leon, who sailed to Florida in 1513. Benjamin Franklin has received credit for recognizing, publicizing and naming the current the Gulf Stream in 1770 (see exhibit #23). Walden Hoxton in 1735, however, had already charted and named the Stream, though his work was not published until a later date. Perhaps the discovery and naming of the Gulf Stream is a moot question, but to cartography it becomes important in tracing history, particularly in the Age of Exploration and Discovery of the New World.

From the available records, the title “Gulf Stream” was first used to identify the flowing waters off the southeast coast of Florida in 1768 or 1769 by William Gerand De Brahm, while in the employ of the British Government. In 1771, he requested the opportunity to publish a description of the waters of eastern Florida for the benefit of all ships sailing in these dangerous waters. Permission was granted and his work appeared in 1772. This publication, “The Atlantic Pilot,” together with its charts, described the “Gulf Stream” and its flows and eddies. His information was derived from the data he had collected as the Surveyor General of the new colony of East Florida, and as Surveyor General of the newly created Southern District. Since he began to work in St. Augustine, Florida, in January of 1765, the assumption is that his material for the “Atlantic Pilot” was collected between this date and his request for publication in 1771. His research predated Franklin’s, though he is not generally considered to have “discovered” the Gulf Stream. (See exhibit #21)

By the middle of the 18th Century, American ships sailing from England to America were completing the voyage as much as two weeks ahead of British Admiralty vessels making the same voyage, and England wanted to know why.

In 1786, Benjamin Franklin, who was then Postmaster General of the North American Colonies, was summoned to England to give a possible explanation. A cousin of Franklin’s, a sea captain named Folger, accompanied him. Folger had had much experience sailing the American coastline for fish and whales. Testifying before the Admiralty, he described, by sketching, the flow of water along the coast and the effect this had on shipping. The British Admiralty dismissed his information as of little account, and continued to follow their own, established routes. The rejection of this information may have had a major influence on America’s defeat of England during the Revolutionary War, because the information described by Captain Folger gave the American fleet an advantage. Benjamin Franklin published a map in 1770 showing the Gulf Stream. De Brahm’s work and maps were published in 1772, although his research was done prior to 1770. Although their objectives were different, both reached substantially the same conclusion about the Gulf Stream.

See original article here: http://www.projectworldawareness.com/2010/09/life-on-this-earth-just-changed-the-north-atlantic-current-is-gone/

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Milneman
25th September 2014, 19:38
Congrats. You've been hoodwinked. The article you saw on Facebook was 2010. The current is, in fact, still there.

Wind
25th September 2014, 19:44
If you want the real data and truth and not the political lies, you should see:

http://iceagenow.info/
https://www.youtube.com/user/Suspicious0bservers/videos

Hervé
25th September 2014, 19:51
This article came across my FB newfeed today, I am wondering what you scientifically minded Avalonians think about it.

[...]

Such misconceptions going around about science, scientific methods and scientifically "minded" folks :frusty:

When data speak by and of themselves, whether one is scientifically "minded" or not, one can only look at them and formulate in words what said data are revealing.

Where matters get complicated is when theories are formulated prior to data collection and either data are omitted or overlooked. or square pegs are forced into round holes to validate the theories... when high interests are vested into some theories, then bribes and dishonesties ensue... and interpretations of data become highly suspicious (e.g. autism and vaccines).

As far as the data provided in the OP, they stand on their own feet and the coming or not of an ice age is only determined by the speed to which the North Atlantic Thermohaline circulation recovers from the Macondo well blowout and its handling with the corexit dispersants... provided no volcanic eruptions in the Northern Hemisphere hinder that recovery...

Hervé
25th September 2014, 21:10
Signs of the Mini Ice Age – Summers shorten in Norway (http://weatheraction.wordpress.com/2014/09/23/signs-of-the-mini-ice-age-summers-shorten-in-norway/comment-page-1/)
September 23, 2014 (http://weatheraction.wordpress.com/2014/09/23/signs-of-the-mini-ice-age-summers-shorten-in-norway/) by craigm350 (http://weatheraction.wordpress.com/author/craigm350/)

https://weatheraction.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/wpid-screenshot_2014-09-23-01-55-33-11.png?w=474 (https://weatheraction.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/wpid-screenshot_2014-09-23-01-55-33-11.png)
earth.nullschool.net


When it was warmer in the past decade we were told the shortening winters and longer summers were a sign of man made global warming. Now it seems Summers are shortening in the Northern Hemisphere with early snow on both sides of the Atlantic just as the marionettes march world wide to warn of us of the dangers of a [non] warming world many of whom were either not born or too young to remember when we had a wild jet stream. [emphasis added]
After an unusually warm summer, winter arrived suddenly in several areas of Northern Norway on Monday. Snow fell in both the northern counties of Troms and Finnmark, leading to slippery roads, cancelled bus routes and a need to de-ice aircraft.

“It’s not a record early snowfall, since it snowed in Tromsø on September 5 back in the early 1970s,” meterologist Hanneke Luijting told Norwegian Broadcasting (NRK). “It’s nonetheless unusual that snowfall remains on the ground this early.”

Short summer
Luijting could note that the last snow fell on Tromsø in late June, just before the warm weather set in. “So you can say that we had a short summer this year,” she laughed.

Luijting reported that nine centimeters (three-and-a-half inches) fell on Tromsø during the night and were still sitting there Monday morning.
[...]
It was all a huge contrast to the high temperatures of 20C (68F) just two days ago in the local valley of Tromsdalen.
http://www.newsinenglish.no/2014/09/22/first-snow-falls-on-northern-norway/

Hervé
25th September 2014, 21:24
As for Milneman's neck of the woods:

Frozen barley crops to push craft beer prices higher in N. America (http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2014/09/22/frozen-barley-crops-to-push-craft-beer-prices-higher-in-n-america/)

Published September 22, 2014Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/)



http://www.fbnstatic.com/static/managed/img/fb2/news/barley.jpg (http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2014/09/22/frozen-barley-crops-to-push-craft-beer-prices-higher-in-n-america/#)


Beer prices in North America may rise next year as brewers and maltsters face higher costs after cold, wet weather damaged Canadian barley crops and left farmers and tipplers crying in their beer.

Canada, the world's second-biggest exporter of malting barley, was already harvesting its smallest crop since 1968, before a recent dump of snow and freezing temperatures in Alberta, the biggest barley-growing province.

The shortage will hit craft brewers the hardest, since they typically keep less malt inventory on hand than larger breweries that are also better able to absorb costs.

"Prices (going) up means our costs go up and beer prices ultimately go up," said Neil Herbst, co-owner of Edmonton-based Alley Kat Brewery. "Any small brewery is going to be exposed."

With supplies tight, the premium maltsters pay for high-quality malting barley has grown and that cost will pass along to brewers who are not protected by long-term supply contracts.

Craft brewers, the small breweries that are independently owned, typically have shorter-term supply contracts than big brewers to buy malt, which is a product made from germinating and drying cereal grains.

(Graphic on Canada barley production, beer prices: http://link.reuters.com/fec92w)

Brick Brewing Co Ltd, an Ontario-based company, has an assured supply of malt at a fixed price through the end of 2014 with Canada Malting, a unit of Australia's Graincorp Ltd . But starting in 2015, Brick, whose brands include Waterloo and Laker beers, expects to pay more for malt, reflecting the poor barley crop.

"We're expecting a little bit of price adjustment for sure, just because the harvest is late, weather's been bad, everyone's predicting yields are down," said Russell Tabata, Brick's chief operating officer.

Malt prices have already moved 10 percent higher than Brick's contracted rate, a level it may be able to absorb, Tabata said. If malt prices climb 20 to 30 percent above Brick's contract rate, it would have to raise beer prices around 5 percent, or about 10 Canadian cents for a C$2 can, he said.

"WORST YEAR I'VE EVER SEEN"
Canadian farmers are on track to produce just 7.2 million tonnes of barley this autumn, the smallest crop since 1968. In the United States, farmers are expected to grow 192.7 million bushels, the smallest crop in three years.

The European Union, which is the biggest barley producer, along with Australia and Argentina all expect to harvest smaller crops because of weather and other factors.

"The big concern at the end of the day is, are we going to have enough barley to carry us through to next year's harvest?" said Pat Rowan, senior manager of BARI-Canada Inc, a division of Anheuser-Busch InBev. It procures barley to be malted for the brewer.

"In North America, it's probably the worst year I've ever seen."

Rowan said the maker of Budweiser would not likely need to boost beer prices.

Craft brewers are also at greater risk than some big brewers because they generally use more malt in brewing. Some larger brewers such as Anheuser-Busch add corn or rice for a different flavor, which are more plentiful.

SMALL, LOW-QUALITY CROP
In Canada, barley has fallen out of favor with some farmers because other crops are more profitable and because of the large price risk they shoulder. Farmers sign contracts with maltsters to sell them their top-quality barley but are forced to sell at a discount to other buyers when their crop is downgraded to animal feed use.

Much of Alberta's barley crop ended up covered in a thick layer of snow in early September. The snow blanket was followed by freezing temperatures that may have killed any immature crop, leaving it unfit for use in brewing.

Farmers fear the crop may have prematurely sprouted in the snow, a process called chitting that renders barley useless for malting.

Farmers and maltsters may have malting barley in storage from last year's big crop, but some say that is unlikely to tide the industry over for long.

"By this time next year, everyone's going to be sweeping the bottom of the bins to keep the (malting) plant going," said Doug McBain, a Cremona, Alberta farmer whose 1,000 acres of barley has sat under a layer of snow. "There better be a good crop everywhere next year."

Maltsters can adjust their malting processes to handle barley that is lower quality than usual, said Bob Sutton, vice president, commercial, at Alberta's Rahr Malting.

A slower germination process would lower a plant's output, however. And the crop might have higher protein content than usual, a common outcome with smaller, low-quality cereal crops.

"We'll find enough (malt) out of this crop," Sutton said. "Is it ideal? No."

Snowflower
25th September 2014, 21:56
I suspect the thermohaline current has slowed way down, but since it is still flowing at all this allows the pseudo-scientists to pretend nothing is happening. Weather patterns are obvious: United Kingdom, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Sweden - they are all being hammered harder and harder every winter. Scotland has over 300 fields that normally are snow free in summer, but instead are in the first stage of new glacier creation. There was a blizzard in France during July. We (Colorado) had autumn storms in August and today the aspen leaves have mostly left the trees - has historically happened by the 3rd week of October.

"Not by Fire, But by Ice" by Robert Felix will explain that yes, indeed, we are in the early stages of a major ice age. I expect that during my lifetime (I am 66), my community will become pastoral nomadic: follow the sheep and goats north in summer, south in winter. I hope by the time it happens, I will be able to travel.

ghostrider
25th September 2014, 23:10
Our earth is a living organism , is she decides to sleep ( ice age ) , it will happen in seconds , she has done it many times ... Mammoth's found frozen with grass in their mouths and undigested food in their stomachs ... Do I think it will happen ??? that depends on the thinking patterns of earth humans ...

Ellisa
26th September 2014, 01:04
I always found the suggestion that the predicted Ice Age was only delayed, as the effect of Climate Change was also being felt, to be really challenging. The fickle state of the world's weather is apparent everywhere. Many meteorologists seem to be concerned that these obvious and locally observable changes seem to indicate a change in climate is happening---- maybe the end result is not so clear is because of the possibility of the two influences at work at the same time at the moment.

It seems to me to be foolish to ignore all the information coming in, and to refuse to take steps, however small, to try to minimise the effect of Climate Change, which surely is the biggest threat to us all at the moment and in the future.

Roisin
26th September 2014, 01:39
The focus should just be on "severe weather conditions". Forget about if we're in a global warming or ice age stage because anyone with a brain can see that neither theories are holding up. This is, more than anything else, a political issue but the bottom line is that we don't know what's coming up on the weather front no matter which way you look at it. Both sides are just as passionate and ardent as the other. Just goes to show that science isn't all that it's cracked up to be. lol