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linksplatinum

29th September 2014, 23:47

by Michelle Walling, CHLC
http://in5d.com/do-we-need-our-chakras.html

There has been some buzz lately about whether or not we need our chakras at this point in humanity’s consciousness development. Some are saying that they are now ready to consider either merging their chakras into one energy center and some say they are ready to dissolve their chakras. Others ridicule these theories all together, saying that we need our chakras as human beings in order to exist in physicality.
What are the chakras?

The following material was extracted from the website www.universal-mind.org:

The earliest written account (that has been revealed to us) of the chakras are believed to be part of the Vedas, an old written tradition in Indian said to have originated between 2,000 - 6000 B.C. and started by the Indo-European invaders of India known as the Arians. The word was also a metaphor for the sun, which "traverses the world like the triumphant chariot of a cakravartin" (ruler) and denotes the eternal cycle of time called the kalacakra, or wheel of time. In this way, it represents celestial order and balance…..

The chakras are, generally speaking, concerned with the heightening of the consciousness in an individual. The term consciousness is really just another way of referring to an individual’s state of mind and therefore the chakras are tied into psychological issues and the mental development of a being.

They are concerned with helping us attain enlightenment……

Each and every one of us possesses seven primary chakras (some claim there are other subsidiary ones) and through the awakening of their chakras an individual is said to awaken to the realization of the eternal absolute reality. Each chakra is said to exist within the subtle body, overlaying the physical body. Through modern physiology we can see that these seven chakras correspond exactly to the seven main nerve ganglia which emanate from the spinal column. There is even some scientific evidence of their existence; however science has been very slow to take up the gauntlet……

As we ascend (our energy) up the chakras we achieve a higher level of consciousness to the point where we voluntarily release ourselves from the bondage of the greed, hate and anger that was originally brought about by our confused state of mind. When we reach the very top we begin to understand our connectivity to all things and realise the purpose of our existence.

I picked up from the above referenced material that the chakras could possibly be related to an eternal cycle of time. It seems to me that this could be referencing a construct that many of us are trying to exit from because some of us have completed this chapter of the book and are ready to move on.
http://in5d.com/images/5chakra-.jpg

In the article 7 Chakras and 7 Links to Your Subconscious, the author shares “The chakras are amazing, organic, 3 Dimensional Centers of Energy and within them they hold so many secrets.” One observation I have with this statement is that many of us are ready for a higher vibrational experience than 3d. Traditional methods of chakra alignment as described in this article serve the purpose of balancing your energy as required for a blissful 3d experience. It is necessary to learn a little more about the chakras before deciding what to do about them.

Why would you want to get rid of the chakras?
http://in5d.com/images/5chakra-1.jpg
The interest of dissolving the chakras began with shedding light on the archonic manipulation that has been plaguing humanity for thousands of years. Various forms of mind control and energy vampirism includes implants which can attach themselves to chakras and to the brain itself. The interest of dissolving the chakras began with shedding light on the archonic manipulation that has been plaguing humanity for thousands of years. Various forms of mind control and energy vampirism includes implants which can attach themselves to chakras and to the brain itself. Through clairvoyance, energy workers began to identify the energy vampires that attack the chakras. Removal of these beings and implants allowed for the person to raise their vibration and continue advancing toward their spiritual goals of moving out of a dense third dimensional inorganic experience.Through clairvoyance, energy workers began to identify the energy vampires that attack the chakras. Removal of these beings and implants allowed for the person to raise their vibration and continue advancing toward their spiritual goals of moving out of a dense third dimensional inorganic experience.

The thought process is that by removing the chakras, one would be removing one of the devices by which the archon is capable of siphoning ones energy. My friend Lance White has done his homework into this subject.

In Lance’s amazing interview with Inelia Benz, they discuss chakra removal at the 6:18-13:00 mark. Inelia explains that some of the human collective is now ready for this information. She describes the chakras as tools that can be used either positively or negatively, and can be created or dissolved as you like.

Here is the mp3 from Lance’s Blogtalk Radio Show- A Fireside Chat.
http://www.bbsradio.com/tags/inelia-benz

George Kavassalis says that he has completely removed his chakras in many interviews and thus he seems to be a way shower in this subject. Lance also interviewed George, and he confirms that really all of the "popular" meditation techniques involving activating certain chakras and using them as a template will always be a constriction within a certain boundary. Could he be referring to the false matrix?( George further explains the only true direct connection is through the center singularity of “self”. To me, this could be interpreted as the heart center, where the “seat of the soul” is, but not necessarily the combination of all chakras into the heart chakra.

Here is a section of Lance’s interview with George Kavassalis on the subject of chakras:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2LNCSoyp5M
My conclusion

Confusion with contradictions in most spiritual practices arises from the fact that we are all here on an individual journey. Each soul has an individual path through which it has traveled and the cumulative experience can be activated in the now. Depending upon the level of consciousness that soul has brought into the now and how much awareness they have of this consciousness in this incarnation depends on decision they should make with their chakras.
http://in5d.com/images/5chakra-2.jpg
As Inelia said, they are tools that can be used for positive energy vibration as well as for negative siphoning of energy. If you are at the beginning level of raising your vibration then why not use them to your advantage to clear your energy and therefore clear your head- gaining the capability to begin thinking clearly about your next step. Clearing out negative energy allows for that space to be filled with more of your own light of your true essence. As Inelia said, they are tools that can be used for positive energy vibration as well as for negative siphoning of energy. If you are at the beginning level of raising your vibration then why not use them to your advantage to clear your energy and therefore clear your head- gaining the capability to begin thinking clearly about your next step. Clearing out negative energy allows for that space to be filled with more of your own light of your true essence.

However, if you are going to use a tool, know how to use it right. Learn how to protect yourself from energy vampires.

Related article: How To Recognize An Energy Vampire And What To Do About It

If you are being attacked by archons or their minions then it is likely that they could be using your chakras. More information is coming out that is pointing to why these energy centers added to the human body. You can clear this energy by consciously minimizing the chakras by reversing the expansion techniques used by a particular meditation. The next step would be to protect yourself with a white light energy egg. Of course some people require some extra help if the vampirism has gotten out of control to the point where a person sees themselves as powerless.

Some people will decide that they would like to rid themselves of their chakras all together. Lance mentions Carla Fox as another person who has removed her chakras. I have also heard of people simply using their own power to intend and visualize the chakras being dissolved one by one.

Some people feel as if they are merging with their multidimensional self which has all of the experiences of past and future lives. By merging with these parts of themselves, they are healing them in preparation for linking directly with their “I AM” presence. This eternal energy can be accessed through the physical body and may also be represented in “the space between” or what scientists have labeled “dark matter”.

According to Lance White, this goal of dissolving the chakras is not the same thing as “activating the DNA” or “bringing a new software program online”.

Check Out Spirituality Podcasts at Blog Talk Radio with in5d on BlogTalkRadio
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/in5d-radio/2014/08/29/cosmic-awakening-show-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-false-light-lance-white
He feels that these actions may actually be limiting you to another experience within the matrix while becoming you true self expands beyond this Cosmos as we are infinite beings.

There seem to be several steps and tools that one can use to increase awareness and ultimately consciousness in order to remember how to integrate our multidimensional selves. The chakras seem to be connected to that and as such are vulnerable to misuse or control.

Bringing in more of our eternal essence cannot be done all at once because the body could not handle it. We cannot possibly bring all of our consciousness here to fit into a physical body as the energy is even larger than the earth itself. I feel as if my goal is to connect those parts of our multidimensional consciousness that experienced many other lives and merge them into our heart center, then connect that conglomerate to the core of the planet.

As we continue to make the connection with Mother Earth, we are guided to what interests us and to what will help us make the ultimate stargate connection to our soul’s essence. “All the answers are within you”, and in my opinion there is no one way or guide to reaching the ultimate goal of “ascension”, which actually translates to “inscension” as related to going within.

Clear as mud, right? It’s really not so complicated once you realize our limitations can be reduced by simply placing your attention on the doorway or stargate that leads to all of the answers. Prior incarnations, contracts, interference, and the current amount of time spent intending to raise your vibration and your soul’s group origins are all factors involved in defining what a person’s path will be. This is the first time a species has performed the task connecting the physical body in this manner with the planet and bringing the organic template back online.

We are writing the manual as we go. Once a few people have accomplished this, others will have a better idea of what method will work for them. As we recognize that, confusion over he said/she said can be averted, it allows way showers to move forward and to share their experiences with each method without controversy.

Did I just hear you ask, “Michelle, what are YOU going to do with your chakras”? I thought so. Currently I do not feel the need to remove my chakras. However, I am going to use them as a tool to expand them in order to clear my energy and raise my vibration when I need to, and to contract them and guard them when I am around other people or if I feel like I may have some outside interference. I currently do not feel that I have enough evidence in my reality that:

1. Removing my chakras is what I need to do, and
2. Whether the chakras can actually be removed or if it is more like retracting them and moving your waking consciousness and attention to another place and time within your real heart center.

I DO have a strong desire to exit any matrix that is structured or controlling. I DO want to find the doorway to be able to come and go, outside of the silver cord that leads to the reincarnation cycle. By focusing on this goal, the question of keeping the chakras may indeed take care of itself. As I continue to experience, I will be sure to share it on In5d!

PurpleLama

30th September 2014, 00:47

Chakras are the energetic expression of our endocrine system. Do we need it?

Omni

30th September 2014, 01:07

I think dissolving of the chakras might only happen when we die. Or do we keep the chakras, as they are part of the soul perhaps. I'm not sure. I don't think anyone would want to dissolve them, minus maybe some greys really(probably not even them). I have experienced many chakra alterations via technology. The conscious energetic feelings one would perceive as 'normal' at any given time, chakras have a big effect on such from what I've witnessed. Without the chakras it would be a giant void of energy in one's being. I have also experienced my chakras muffled, dimmed, or negated. No heart chakra really sucks. The heart chakra really adds to the good energy we have in our energy body and mind if my experiences are accurate.

boutreality

30th September 2014, 01:16

Chakras are electro-magnetic generators which exist to steer the functions of our endocrine glands. I contend that the force which created the Chakra system, among others, seeks to contain our potential. A holographic realm which triggers dream like awareness; certainty that we are 'advancing' and contributing through energetic works toward improving the world by utilizing colored fields/centers etc. of energy goes along way to maintain control. I posted a preliminary outline of this system in a thread titled "Luciferian Machine" what is behind Chakras is included in the pdf there.

I don't mind that this info will be met with some degree of resistance. The experiences I've had through two decades of ardent inquiry have convinced me of this system and I realize it is not wise to seek to convince others. Here and there one can find info that disregards the need for chakras- the book "Chronicles of the Tao" by Deng Ming Dao (I believe is the correct spelling) has a brief passage which basically refers to Chakras as things that must be learned known then moved beyond. Of course this compressed interpretation is coming from me; naturally that's how I take it. Also any idea of expanding chakras into one energy 'column,' field, whatever is the result of the same holographic projector at work. I don't wish to offend. Seriously, completely write all this off to insanity- makes no difference to me.

The body's own bio-electric field is sufficient to affect the field of reality. Large portions of this are the mitochondrial organelles in each cell; our nervous systems and brains. I enjoy something like the kriya breathing method as described in "Autobiography of a Yogi" by Yogananda. Exhale all air completely- hold empty- inhale hold briefly- Repeat from exhale step- again that's what I took from the words. It's just what I've found; oftentimes I didn't bother trying to explain or justify what worked for me until I read something like it- both of these fit into this category.

gripreaper

30th September 2014, 01:33

With chakras...

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Without chakras...
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linksplatinum

30th September 2014, 02:07

This is a very controversial subject I know, but it shows a different aspect of perception that goes against the norm. I feel it's good to stir up some ideas amongst us to see where this topic could lead to, especially since we dig into everything that is thrown in our direction anyhow.
I had read about George Kavassilas' experiences with the chakras, and how he negated them all together. He had some pretty valid points when he mentioned the grid of Archon AI control features through emotional domination, which Omni discusses also, but it is a bit sketchy IMO what this could all mean in general practice. I'm not quite sure if I am for, nor against the idea pointed out here, seeing as though there are some valid points for both sides of the argument on all aspects detailed in this article.

Clarity

30th September 2014, 04:37

Omni

30th September 2014, 04:55

Both myself and my husband removed our Chakras several months ago. Our sons chakras dissolved, without any intervention on our part, about a month later.

I commented on the article under DJ (my initials). The comments are interesting as I expected lots of "how stupid are these people, their all gonna die" 🙀instead it appears this topic is being given some consideration. Cameron Day in his latest podcast with the in5d gang mentioned that he no longer works with the chakras although he didn't talk about removing them either.

For those who are intrigued, I'm happy to answer any questions regarding how I came to make the decision and if there were any benefits.

How do you know you removed them? From my observations illusions can occur with chakras very easily. I think you haven't really removed them, but I'm open minded. In most cases chakras are undetectable. Without a heart chakra empathy doesn't work the same from my experiences. Also some of the vibrance of life is lower with a lower heart chakra. Either your experiences or mine are illusions. I'm willing to say it's possible mine are too. But I don't think that is the case. I'm skeptical that you have removed your chakras. But I'm interested in how you think you got rid of your chakras.

Rosieposie

30th September 2014, 06:25

Err.. I was under the impression that chakras are part of the energy body connecting our soul to this level of existence and body. That they are there in response to the natural flow of energy.. sort of like how water creates rivers and lakes. Unless you changed your form you don't change the chakras, you would have to re carve the landscape so to speak. So trying to change them is as futile as trying to tell the water of the nile to move a different way as it's direction isn't how you have decided you want it to be anymore.

If you want to change the water you change the landscape not the other way around. And I don't think there's any reason to want to change our landscape, we are beautiful developing creatures, we may grow more advanced yes but we are not going to turn into an oak tree anytime soon. Our issues are caused by deep damage to our system not the fundamental system itself being faulty. Critters that stick to your energy field stick to your broken bits, they are like maggots eating rotten flesh, yuck yes, needing healing yes, but perhaps not without purpose.

Of course this is purely from where my level of understanding currently is :) Perhaps if people are craving a simpler form they would be better off trying to live a humble, simpler existence, one where your soul can be happy and healthy, if you don't know where to start.. try sitting in the sun in a garden on the grass and go from there.

Shezbeth

30th September 2014, 07:25

I am reminded - in reviewing the available information on this thread - of the tree of life allegory, particularly Daat(sp?). Daat - if memory serves - is the position on the tree that is all positions. In this sense, I can see how one could perceive their chakras as having combined or whatever.

However, I hope you will pardon my incredulity, as the idea of dissolving the chakras entirely also reminds me of the oft touted idea of the dissolving of the ego as purported by numerous right-hand traditions. In the case of the ego, it may well seem to have vanished/dissolved or whatever, but a thorough understanding of what the ego really is belies the very notion of it dissolving.

I suggest that the dynamic is the same with the chakras. I could quite certainly be mistaken, but if I were in Vegas that's not where my money'd be.

KaiLee

30th September 2014, 08:33

I've mentioned in other posts my I AM experience and another experience that I would associate with chakras. The first did not require any experience or acknowledgment of chakras, but the secound definetly required knowledge of I AM. My conclusion was that the chakra experience was not needed. Would I remove chakras? Even if I thought it possible I don't know why I would. My experience was that chakras are more associated with 3D reality than the higher self. I ignore them really, as I see their interaction as a false path.

Swan

30th September 2014, 08:45

Finefeather

30th September 2014, 08:59

It is impossible to remove your chakras...if you did you would no longer exist...
Humans, and everything else, are each an individual primordial atom which consist of 3 aspects...matter, consciousness and motion(energy)...the trinity of life.
Chakras are entry and exit points for the 3 aspects of the trinity between the various bodies or envelopes which we all possess...from the monad or Self all the way down to the physical etheric body.
The etheric body...the final body of the true Self...is the scaffold of the physical body organism, and is responsible for the energy and consciousness of the Self during incarnation.

There are 7 major...21 intermediary...and 49 minor chakras...which means that most people have not even got a clue were they are...never mind remove them or live without them.

If you want to read more about these centres I recommend this:
http://www.laurency.com/L3e/L3e15.pdf

Take care
Ray

Clarity

30th September 2014, 12:00

How do you know you removed them?

First of all I connected in with my HS. I’ve been in daily contact with my HS for over two years, I’ll sometimes contact him several times a day if there’s a lot of questions buzzing around my mind. It was my HS to whom I address my queries and questions regarding the chakras and it was based on his answers and advise that I decided to remove them. FYI I refuse to communicate with any other being or entity other than my HS – friend or foe. So I called in my HS and asked for guidance as, at this point I’d never heard of anyone removing their chakras.

As soon as I removed the last Chakra I felt huge surge of energy coming in through my core star/heart centre & I immediately sensed profound changes that, after all this time, haven’t gone away. Now I’ve had many spiritual experiences (including Spontaneous OBE’s) but this was probably the most significant.

So of course I checked myself and asked my HS to confirm if they were gone. Now, not that I was doubting myself or my HS but at the end of the day the mind is a powerful thing so I thought best to ask someone else to check “how my Chakras were looking.” (For true objective results ask someone who has no idea that you might have been thinking of Chakra removal.)

A month later my inner voice asked me to check my son’s chakras, I was a wee bit busy and said so, but again the call came to check his chakras. I was truly shocked to find nothing & I must have made the poor boy lay down 15 times that night to keep checking. I did find it hard to believe that they could have just gone without intervention, but I’ve since heard others say the same.

Without a heart chakra empathy doesn't work the same from my experiences. Also some of the vibrance of life is lower with a lower heart chakra.

I love life, truly. I love being human and I really, really love this planet and our earth mother. But.....
One of my biggest issues was that I was an empath - big time. It cause untold problems for me, I was soaking up everyone else's emotions, stress & trauma. I had to give up energy healing because I was taking on my clients 'stuff' making me physically ill. I can't even watch Animal Planet and don't get me started on what happens when I drive pass road kill. I spent a lot of my time and energy trying to prevent this happening & block it out. Since my chakras have gone, it's just me and my inner essence - standing strong.
That doesn't mean I've turned into a cold fish no longer caring, I haven't changed personality. You don't need to physically feel other peoples crap to feel compassion for them and their situation.
Of course I still have my own issues but at least now I know that they are mine and mine alone. Unless you are an empath you might not understand how liberating that could be.

The heart chakra really adds to the good energy we have in our energy body and mind if my experiences are accurate.

I personally work with the heart centre/core essence/inner sun/inner star energy. It feels like a torus in the inner core of the chest area. I've been working with this energy for two years and it is through this that I connect with my HS. It's extremely powerful and energizing. I use this unified energy to fill my whole body and push out into my whole energy field. It is highly effective in removing astral entities. Cameron Day and Carla Fox both talk about this in more detail than I can. At first I mistook this for the heart Chakra until my HS corrected me.

Hope thats answered your questions.

Anchor

1st October 2014, 13:11

There are a lot more than 7 Chakra's in the body. This article only addresses the main ones.

There are Chakras all over and they are closely related to the Meridian system documented in Oriental medicine. For example you have them in your hands feet and there are big ones at the knees and elbows.

In my opinion, it is likely that what has happened is that you removed all blockages in your main chakra's so that they are now operating so smoothly you don't notice them - rather like a well tuned and balanced engine, so smooth you hardly know that it is running.

Jake

1st October 2014, 14:24

Thank you Ray, and Anchor for shedding some light on this conversation.. I don't understand how someone can work with energy in the energy body if there are no Primary Energy Centers... The energy body is counterpart to the physical body.. It would be like saying that you had your organs removed and now you feel better and healthier???

I can see there being much confusion regarding the energy centers, Primary/Secondary/tertiary.. The energy body is like the physical body. It stays with the physical body at all times and has different systems/circuits that ebb and flow and make up the energetic counterpart to the physical body.. I can imaging that BLOCKAGES could be removed, creating great spiritual prowess and energetic flow... But removing you chakras would be like removing your brain, or your lungs or your heart... I have done personal transformative energy work throughout my life..

The spiritual aspects of life,,, love greed hate progression empathy understanding creation self worth,,,, etc,,, are likened unto the health of a specific Chakra... I have no idea what that means!!!

I DO know the mechanics of subtle energies and the implications of moving said energies through the Primary Energy Centers like blood flows through veins,, and carries vital components to the body... Blood flow does not exist if the heart is removed...

There are spiritual and physical understandings of the Chakra systems that do NOT match up... I have spent decades moving energy through my body and feeling for,, and mapping out the energy body..

I have never heard of anyone removing Chakras... If I plan to run a marathon,,,, why would I remove my feet?? If I want to breath,,, why would I remove my lungs??

I have given up on the esoteric understandings of the energy centers because they are not esoteric.. They are actual and practical.. They are not up for debate, any more than the physical organs are!!

In fact, I have dropped my separate understandings of the physical vs the energy body, and just see it as,,,, The Body....

Thank you Ray for the PDF... I'm going to take care with it, and hope to learn from it..

Jake.

Finefeather

1st October 2014, 16:28

Jake

1st October 2014, 17:06

I can see there being much confusion regarding the energy centers, Primary/Secondary/tertiary.. The energy body is like the physical body. It stays with the physical body at all times and has different systems/circuits that ebb and flow and make up the energetic counterpart to the physical body.. I can imaging that BLOCKAGES could be removed, creating great spiritual prowess and energetic flow... But removing you chakras would be like removing your brain, or your lungs or your heart... I have done personal transformative energy work throughout my life..

Hi Jake
Yes there is a lot of confusion and myth.

What many do not realise is that we have 4 energy bodies around our physical body and most have just stopped at the closest one known as the etheric body or envelope. When you get to see the aura you can see these envelopes/bodies clearly and although in many systems these are called by other names, in esoterics they are known as the emotional envelope, the mental envelope and the causal envelope. Each of these is a swirling mass of energy and consciousness/colour. They all have chakras in them and they are each linked to each other by these chakras...in many places.

The term energy body does not tell the entire story because these bodies do much more than just deal with energy...

Next time you guys, who are so deep into OB, decide to blast off into the 'void'...pause a while and have a closer look at just what your body looks like...you might be surprised what you see :) Once clear out of body practice has been achieved you can see the energy and chakras clearly in the etheric body/envelope.

Take care
Ray

Thank you, Ray for being with us.. :) The term Energy Body doesn't tell the entire story... I definitely agree with that,, there is much more to it than strictly an energetic process!! I am trying to be careful with regards the ob study.. A wholistic approach is preferred, and I would go further and say that it is inevitable. We are learning from each other and sharing experiences,, none of us have the whole piece of the puzzle.. I have mapped out by 'feel' and by 'sight' what the (for lack of a better term) energy body counterpart looks like, and how it functions.. There is much more that a simple energetic model of grids and circuits,, it is all enmeshed with the physical body and it is flowing and in constant motion... Chakras, of course cannot be summarized with terms that only describe energy.. Ha,,, indeed there is much more to it than I can cover within the scope of OBE.. I don't see a way to learn mastery over the subtle bodies (nearest the physical) without a basic understanding of energy flow and the Chakra systems.

The energetic component of the Chakra system is more than we need to tackle for OBE.. I always try and be careful to advise folks to try and understand for themselves how it fits in with their personal awakenings.. I can't help with the more spiritual aspects,, as it is not my place to tell... Within the scope of this discussion,,, I'd have to say that we can't remove chakras,, maybe close them off, or block them... Admittedly,,, I do not know everything. :)

BTW,,, I do not go blasting off into the 'void',,, I approach such exploration as much more sacred and personal... There is much exploration to do,, no?? :):)

Jake.

Delight

1st October 2014, 17:30

This is an interesting conversation. Who knows if we "need" chakras?? Do we need feet and hands? If they are part of the equipment then IMO they are "just so"?

I see auras and the way they interact between people and with the environment. I am able to see this more easily when the room is dim. The most dramatic interchange I saw was between a teaching physician and his resident at about 5 AM after working all night. VIVID pulsing yellow jumped across between them and embraced them. The context was an intense intellectual discussion of a diagnosis.

How the whole energetic of the bodies operates is beyond me but I am comfortable with accepting that movement (like spinning) is a natural fractal function creating form. It seems like "colors" would be across a spectrum (whose extremes are beyond the human senses) as in the prism bending of pure light. I can relate to frequencies being energy vibrations? The way sound createsthe different patterns in sand "looks" a lot like mandalas of the chakra model.

http://solawakening.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/cymforms.jpg

IMO the ancients were much more sensorially discerning than we now. So the structures described may well be just so like our "external" body?
I like this video and I celebrate the chakra story.

From the mists of the great days, poetic science references the elemental connection of all life, the pulsation of light that "is" manifesting gorgeous beauty and mystery.

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Clarity

1st October 2014, 20:40

There are a lot more than 7 Chakra's in the body. This article only addresses the main ones.

True. My experience with the other chakras shows me that they are dissolved at the same time. The only minor chakras I have been able to feel are the chakras in my hands, knees and feet the hand chakras were particularly strong. After removing the main chakras I no longer feel them spinning but can still feel energy moving. When I work with the inner core energy I send it down my arms out through my hands, but there is no longer the spinning sensation.

There are Chakras all over and they are closely related to the Meridian system documented in Oriental medicine

I don’t know too much regarding TCM, only what I learnt from my Qigong teacher. As far as I’m aware the Chakras come from Hindu teachings and are not mentioned in TCM (I’m happy to be corrected if that’s wrong.) Having said that, I know the Chakras exist because I worked with them for years.
TCM teaches that there are three internal energy storage centres within the body called Dan Tiens. There are situated in the belly, heart and brain. In Cameron Day’s recent In5d interview when asked about the chakras he stated that he no longer works with them but works instead with, what he called the three brains. Made up of the belly brain, the heart brain and the head brain (Similar to TCM?). This is how I also work. I get the initial questions/feelings coming from the belly brain, I then tune into my core heart center. Bring the energy in, fill my body and entire energy field in order to get no astral interference. Connect with my I AM presence and ask away. After, I have a wee think (head brain - logic) about the information that came to me, sometime there might be more questions, so back to the core heart center. Only when all three energy centers align, do I consider that I have found my personal truth.

I had been working with the core essence energy for 18 months before I removed my Chakras.

operating so smoothly you don't notice them - rather like a well tuned and balanced engine, so smooth you hardly know that it is running.

The energy now coming into my body is so strong and clear I most certainly know its running. I have to be careful not too built it up too strong as it has an orgasmic feel to it!

Clarity

1st October 2014, 21:22

It is impossible to remove your chakras...if you did you would no longer exist...

Is this from belief or experiential knowledge? If it is the latter perhaps you would like to share, it would add greatly to the discussion.

Humans, and everything else, are each an individual primordial atom which consist of 3 aspects...matter, consciousness and motion(energy)...the trinity of life.

Who would not agree?

The etheric body...the final body of the true Self...is the scaffold of the physical body organism, and is responsible for the energy and consciousness of the Self during incarnation.

Agreed, I would just add that the chakras are constructs within the energy body and are not the energy body in totality.

There are 7 major...21 intermediary...and 49 minor chakras...which means that most people have not even got a clue were they are.

Agreed. I would say as much as 95% of the worlds population have never heard of them, but I'd be surprised if anyone who is interested or intrigued by this discussion had not read or followed the teaching regarding the Chakras.

Jake

1st October 2014, 23:33

Clarity,, hello and thank you for sharing your experience. My dear,, I have never had a choice regarding my knowledge of the body.. I wish I did... Chakras cannot be removed. And yes, it comes from actual practice and experience with the inner workings of an entire system(s) of highly complex circuits and patterns... I have a lifetime of practice with my Chakras... The only time I have ever heard of someone who could remove them was when someone who wanted my money.

If you are here now saying that you have had your Chakra removed, perhaps it would be appropriate for you to explain the process for all to hear, rather than challenge the experience of others.. I know that you are too new to have met everyone here, but I can tell you that Finefeather has a lifetime, and a wealth of experience.. I can only hope to be as wise and intelligent as hem one day...

Many of us have much experience with the energy body and the study of the Chakras and the subtle systems thereof... It is not safe to assume that you are talking to the uninformed or the ignorant regarding the energy body...

I took the liberty of asking around,, some very seasoned practitioners in their perspective fields of energetic study, and they all gave me a slight grin and assured me that they had never heard of anyone talking about removing Chakras...

I would be willing to listen to the process... Did you PAY someone?? I am skeptical... I did not come across my knowledge from a book or from a guru or from group therapy or from any BELIEF... I was mapping out my energy body before I'd ever seen or heard of chakras or auras....

If someone tried to tell me that they could remove my chakras,, I'd get the hell away from them... Is he going to remove my kidney too??

I do not follow any teaching nor did I get my info from a book... As long as I have my feet, and they are useful to me,,, I will continue to use them... If you want to chop yours off,,, so be it... Believe what you will... I do not have the luxury of belief....

You said that you were taught this by a Qigong teacher??? That is disturbing... I've studied Qigong quite a bit and know several others who do too... If he is teaching you that you can remove Chakras,, then it is NOT Qigong... And it is definitely not Reiki,,,, (not that I warrant one practice over another,,) I've just never heard of Chakra removal, (by a non conman) until you posted earlier... I am intrigued,,, but my suspicion is that by energetic process you have removed blockages... The visceral sensations in Chakras become quite a bit less when blockages are removed and energy flow is stimulated.... Unblocked and free,,, but not removed... Sorry to split hairs, but to say that you are REMOVING Chakras flies directly in the face of what I know directly,, and it is a disservice to those who are just learning... A claim like that has far reaching implications, and I am skeptical that someone has taught you something that is not true....

Love to you, Clarity
Jake.

Delight

2nd October 2014, 02:46

Today I lost a chick. She had something that made her not grow well and she was just one third the size of her hatchling sisters. She made a valiant effort but an older hen pecked her and drew blood and she was shocked into stillness. Though her heart and her lungs were still moving, she stopped chirping or eating. Later she died and she became stiff. I was very sad about her death.

Life is moving. Emotion is moving. Thoughts change. The body changes until it stops moving then it decays.

The interesting issue of being human is that we use "ideas" that we make so real they become real in form. Really I doubt that there are discrete chakras except by stop frame when we focus on just one part of a moving system. I doubt that we "have" specific chakras just as I doubt there are rigid implants except of our beliefs.

Our capacity to over ride "movement" and change with a static belief system is deadly.

I have an intuition that all is spiraling and we see only various aspects of movement if we see at all.

"Spirals are the actual shape of fluid energy evolving order out of chaos. Even the two dimensional spiral reflects its connections with the higher dimensions of growth. It both begins and ends in infinity; it is a continuum which mirrors the harmonic ebb and flow between the polarities of positive (+) and negative (-), as well as between the polarities of infinite contraction, at the center, and infinite expansion, at the periphery. In a three-dimensional spiral—the spherical vortex—the opposing infinities dissolve into one another. It is visibly infinite; its beginning is joined to its end, it perpetually spirals into and out of its own middle, its center and its circumference eternally alternating their roles.....With its simpler spiral sisters, it is the form of order which exists of the very brink of non-existence; the most passive (manipulable of elements (water, gases, even electrical fields), from a smoke-ring blown from the lips, to a drop of milk released into placid water. The mushrooms which materialize in the field are governed by the same vortical laws as the mushrooms which de-materialized most of Hiroshima and Nagasaki...."
Lawrence Blair. Rhythms of Vision: The Changing Patterns of Belief New York: Shocken Books, 1976, p. 72

Here is a link to a cool visual. it does not embed but is worth checking out. Play with it a bit and you will see mandalas emerge.

Golden Spiral (http://linkalink.jp/enok/swf/third/)

and the video below is interesting. We particles are waves in a field in movement without permanent appearance...

http://www.light-weaver.com/vortex/images/rhino.gif

http://5thworld.com/double-torus.jpg

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This is more the way a living field might appear top down of bottom up?

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A static system is determined but the Universe is alive and somehow Arthur Young's ideas speak to a strange way that 7 colors and a torus are indicators of something beyond itself...like a sign?

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Must be if we are of nature we are with nature?

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Finefeather

2nd October 2014, 10:55

Hi Dear Clarity

Is this from belief or experiential knowledge? If it is the latter perhaps you would like to share, it would add greatly to the discussion.
This reminds me of the story of the guy who was so convinced that he saw a huge lake in the middle of the desert that he wrote about it and many people all over the world believed him because they had never been to see for themselves and they also never knew, as he also did not, that such a thing as a mirage existed...so I do not believe anyone or anything until I have witnessed the illusion myself :)

Our lives are so filled with our own creations of our own beliefs that it becomes very difficult to believe all that we see and read and are told...so I have discovered that sometimes it is a bit like standing in an empty hall preaching about what we have seen and heard...we become our own source of garbage...because our believe system is stronger than truth. Those who listen and look and believe, are really as guilty as those who preach their belief.

Truth is often the simplest of the many answers we find in life...because we believe that life should be complicated...because we think that: because we cannot find the answer it must be complicated...because our dear old egos are just too busy defending our supposed great intelligence.

So I am really pretty stupid myself, and know almost nothing when it comes to the vastness, which life has to offer...so I have long ago taken the view that it is wiser to know your ignorance than to praise your belief.

There is a vast number of belief systems on Avalon for us to choose from and no one except ourselves will change our own beliefs until one day in some life we begin to enter the world of true reality and from this moment on we start to question our long held beliefs until we are capable of knowing the truth.

There is one truth...one reality...and many many beliefs...and just how will we know when truth comes along...if we don't even know what truth is in the first place?

Truth comes from 10's of thousands of incarnations, where bits and pieces of the great puzzle of life have been gathered and stored in our memories...until we are slowly able to know...by reasoning, logic, common sense and a thing called consciousness...what we have struggled for so long to understand.

And this is only the start of our journey along the path of truth...there is much to do and to learn.

Take care and much love to you
Ray

Clarity

2nd October 2014, 13:09

Hi Jake, I have a few answers to your queries. My reply is in blue.

If you are here now saying that you have had your Chakra removed, perhaps it would be appropriate for you to explain the process for all to hear, rather than challenge the experience of others….

First of all I apologise if I came across as challenging which was not my intention. FINEFEATHER used strong language using the terms ‘impossible’ and ‘no longer exist’. I find statements like that either come from experiential knowledge, firmly held beliefs or programming. If FINEFEATHER has experiential knowledge of chakra removal then I think it would add greatly to the thread. Also what is impossible for one is not necessarily impossible for all.
I don’t believe it is at all appropriate for me to talk about the process I used. I received the information from my Higher Self and my HS alone, if someone isn’t able to communicate with their HS then that is where they should be focusing all their attention - not on chakra removal. I personally would never advise anyone to remove their chakras on my say so.
My only spiritual advice I’ll ever give is to go inside, contact the HS/I AM, all the answers are there. Maybe the HS will advised to remove them, maybe not. Either way is right as long as you are following your divine inner path.
Having said that…………
LINKSPLATINUM has already posted the link to Carla Fox’s blog were she talks about the procedure she teaches.

... It is not safe to assume that you are talking to the uninformed or the ignorant regarding the energy body….

I’m struggling to see were you might have got that impression from me.:confused: I joined Avalon because I found it to be full of the most informed, mature, open minded, respectful and compassionate people floating around on the internet.

I took the liberty of asking around, some very seasoned practitioners in their perspective fields of energetic study, and they all gave me a slight grin and assured me that they had never heard of anyone talking about removing Chakras...

As stated, I removed them several months ago but up until the last couple of months I had never heard of anyone else discussing, so no, not many will have come across this information. Lately a few articles have surfaced. There are four, well known, names mentioned in the opening article as having removed their chakras.

Inelia Benz, George Kavassalis, Carla Fox and Lance White.

Dis you listen to the interview with Goerge Kavassalis? I find George to have a negative view of the chakras which I don’t fully share (although I’ve based that on a first impression.) Did you listen to the excerpt between Lance White and Inelia Benz as posted in the OP?
The information I got from my HS is in line with the way Inelia talks about the chakras. In that they are neither negative nor positive but they can be used for both. They are structures that can be built and dissolved at will. Inelia states that she never had Chakras to start with, and she’s on her first incarnation, my son is on his first incarnation and his dissolved without intervention…….Umm food for thought.

I’m sure there are others out there. To be honest after removing my chakras I didn’t give the topic any more thought, up until the last couple of days that is.

... Did you PAY someone?? I am sceptical

No and I strongly advice against it.

I’ve already mentioned that I hadn’t come across anyone doing this, it was based on communication between myself and my HS. I never even asked any else’s opinion – why would I? I was also told, by HS, that no one else can do this for you. If you’re not ready to remove your chakras yourself then don’t do it, no big deal. The following is from my comments at the end of the IN5d article…

“No one else can remove them for you. Removing your Chakras is your declaration of sovereignty and autonomy; you cannot have someone else declare this on your behalf.”

If someone tried to tell me that they could remove my chakras, I'd get the hell away from them…

So would I. For the reasons previously stated.

You said that you were taught this by a Qigong teacher??? That is disturbing... I've studied Qigong quite a bit and know several others who do too... If he is teaching you that you can remove Chakras, then it is NOT Qigong

No I never made that statement, but I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not very articulate. Guess I’ll have to sharpen up if I’m too last long on here.
I was replying to a comment made by ANCHOR in which he/she stated the chakras were linked with the meridians and Oriental medicine. I believe ANCHOR might have been confusing Hindu and Chinese teachings. As far as I am aware Chakras came from Hindu teachings not original Traditional Chinese Medicine.

I admitted that I did not know a lot about Traditional Chinese Medicine also known as TCM, just what I learnt from my Chinese Qigong teacher. My teacher talked extensive about the energy body and Chi but never once mentioned chakras. Why is that? Do Chinese people not have them? If they do have them why ignore them? Or was his teaching lacking in information? Maybe a question for another thread.

The energy centres I now work with seem to align more with his TCM teachings. I was taught that in the Heart Dan Tien the Chi is changed into spirit, this is the energy centre that I communicate with the IAM presence so that matches.

... I am intrigued, but my suspicion is that by energetic process you have removed blockages...

OK, let’s go with this for a while.

Lets say I haven’t removed my chakras but have done something which has enable blockages to be removed and allowed my energy field to be pure and clear so that the chakras are not even detectable.

So I enlarge and expand my energy field, to ensure no astral interference. Call in my HS to oversee that my freewill is respected. Make my declaration of sovereignty and state my intention. Then address my Chakras directly expressing my appreciation for their love, service and teachings but state that it is now my intention for them to move on so that I can acquire a unified energy field. As I remove them I bless them.

Now let’s say I haven’t removed my chakras but my imagination and my HS tells me so, so I now have a firm belief they are gone.
So if we follow that scenario just by stating my intention to remove my chakras from my energy body, without actually achieving it has leads me to experience the following.

As I ‘removed’ the last chakra I felt myself move into my body. For the first time in my life I could feel what it feels like to be grounded & anchored into the physical. I’d never felt this before. All those times I thought I was grounding I wasn’t. I wasn’t even close. Now I can feel my feet being pulled into the ground, I can connect with Mother Earth. We stand still and hold each other energy – it’s beautiful. I tried and tried to make a connection with Mother Earth but never been able to achieve it before. I’ve had grounding issues due to soul loss (traumatic childhood), NDE in childhood and some ‘grey’ interference. I’ve been working hard on these issues for years but achieved little.

I’ve already talked about the empathy issues I no longer have.

I’ve already talked about the stronger and more powerful energy.

Then there’s the astral entities. For a long time I’ve been bothered by what I call astral interference, nothing major just annoying. I did the usual new age stuff smudging, crystals, white light, call on arch angels and the protective egg. I could always get rid of them in the end, but it was work. So I said to my HS that I was sick and tired of them and to show me an effective way for protection. It was then that I was given the core star energy to work with, which I build up and push out into my energy field. This then pushes the astrals away from the energy field. No ‘protection’ needed just my own energy and after time I was able to do this in an instant.
After my chakra removal I don’t get any interference at all.

So these are the four major improvements I felt afterwards, there are minor ones but times kicking on.

Now, from my point of view, this is the best bit.All these improvements have been permanent.

To be honest I found chakras hard work, I was constantly clearing them and the benefits were short lived. However I do have a few ‘issues’ so not everyone would feel these benefits.

So if I gained all these improvements (and some minor ones) just through stating my intention to dissolve the chakras, don’t you think that, in itself, would be interesting? I do.

Hope that helps.

Clarity

2nd October 2014, 13:47

I didn't start this thread but when it arose I did feel I could contribute a thing or two. Maybe not, all I seemed to have created is animosity which was never my intention. I feel the need to clarify that I do not assume to know more than others and I did not come on here to encourage others to play follow my leader. It matters not to me if others chose to look at this subject or not.

My first post I stated

"For those who are intrigued, I'm happy to answer any questions regarding how I came to make the decision and if there were any benefits."

I was assuming I would get asked questions along the lines of
"what on earth made you want to remove them in the first place?"
"what were the red flags, that made you start questioning them?"
"what questions did you ask your HS?"
"How do you know that your truly communicating with you HS and not some demonic entity trying to make you kill yourself?"
These are the questions I expected and I would have enjoyed answering.

I'm going to bale out of this thread now. I find I'm starting to repeat myself which probably means my communication skills are lacking.

Swan

2nd October 2014, 14:44

I was assuming I would get asked questions along the lines of
"what on earth made you want to remove them in the first place?"
"what were the red flags, that made you start questioning them?"
"what questions did you ask your HS?"
"How do you know that your truly communicating with you HS and not some demonic entity trying to make you kill yourself?"
These are the questions I expected and I would have enjoyed answering.

Would you consider answering them before bailing :)

Jake

2nd October 2014, 15:43

Clarity,, this is all fantastic and new to me.... Please forgive me if I am coming across a bit obtuse... Thank you for answering some of me concerns... Please do not bale from this thread... It is right on topic... You must be aware by now that Chakra Removal will be controversial.... We actually have quite a diverse crowd here, and explorations into truth is commonplace...

I've got more questions too... You are changing the definition of the word Chakra... There has been a common understanding and practice with these sacred centers since the dawn of man.. Throughout History nobody NOBODY has practiced to REMOVE THEM... I'd love to see where Inelia said that Chakras could be removed.. I have heard her say exactly the opposite... Now I am a bit MORE intrigued..

As stated earlier, Clarity,,, I do not need validation from a guru.. I've been working with energy fields and energetic flow my entire life... I've had thousands of fully conscious OBEs and I have studied my energetic body counterpart MY WHOLE LIFE.... I've spent decades building pathways, primary and secondary,,, I have awakened and cleared my Primary Energy centers. It takes a lifetime of work to properly balance the centers and a journey that humans have been undergoing since the beginning... The energy centers cannot be removed..

I'd love to hear your definition of the word CHAKRA... I've worked with mine my whole life... Exactly what do think is 'flowing' if there is nowhere to flow 'to' or 'from' within the energy body... What about the centers that are OUTSIDE your physical body?? Are they removed too? Did ya know they were there? How did you know they were there? How do you feel energetic flow if you have cut off the very things that create them?? If I remove the fuel pump from my car,, it does not pump fuel... If someone tells me that it does then I am forced to distance myself from that logic...

In my opinion,,, you have made a fantastic claim that needs to be backed up a bit.. I realize that these are subjective experiences that cannot be proved.. Try me...

Perhaps the entire planet and human history has been completely wrong.. please do tell.... If I cut off my feet, that IS a choice... You aint gonna have much luck talking about it Humans... Humans need their feet... I can see that Avalon is a good fit for you, as you chose your words wisely.. I don't think you have a communication problem...

Inelia is a friend.. Maybe i'll ask her...

Jake.

bearcow

2nd October 2014, 16:15

Delight

2nd October 2014, 16:21

Clarity said:

I tried and tried to make a connection with Mother Earth but never been able to achieve it before. I’ve had grounding issues due to soul loss (traumatic childhood), NDE in childhood and some ‘grey’ interference. I’ve been working hard on these issues for years but achieved little.

I’ve already talked about the empathy issues I no longer have.

I’ve already talked about the stronger and more powerful energy.

Then there’s the astral entities. For a long time I’ve been bothered by what I call astral interference, nothing major just annoying. I did the usual new age stuff smudging, crystals, white light, call on arch angels and the protective egg. I could always get rid of them in the end, but it was work. So I said to my HS that I was sick and tired of them and to show me an effective way for protection. It was then that I was given the core star energy to work with, which I build up and push out into my energy field. This then pushes the astrals away from the energy field. No ‘protection’ needed just my own energy and after time I was able to do this in an instant.
After my chakra removal I don’t get any interference at all.

I suspected there were strong practiced beliefs attached to the "process" of developing suspicion about "chakras" and I just feel strongly that these are all developed ideas to define experience. Having success-fully dealt with them is great news Clarity. Sincerely I am happy to hear about the resulting sense of connection to grounded energy and all the beneficial experience.

The ability to have experience and then define it can be a wonderful way IMO of processing "energetic blockages"and is BECAUSE WE HAVE imaginative. But if we cannot step back from our own ability to imagine, adding beliefs that what we imagine is "real on its own" independenet and we at effect of the MYTHOLOGY, we start stacking up piles and piles of information that is just more blockage material IMO. IMO becoming translucent is when we can "see ourselves" cleansed of all the beliefs that are in religion, social programming, PA, LA and just because we are in this experience the way we are IMO. I consider the cleansing being knowing innocence that I covered over.

A few years ago I was listening to George Kavassilas. I have listened before to almost every kind of sage/swami/preacher/teacher all my life as I was concerned early on about my evil nature. My AH HA for me is that these teachers will tell me something they believe. Otherwise they would shut up and just be who they are. But not that it is WRONG to talk. It is just stupid (strong word) IMO to believe in the story being what is happening and then making a whole belief system around it and clinging to it now we made it up.

Example:
I have had physical pains that I dissolved and I have been investigating by imagination and releasing the imagined "contents" and it worked. At one time I was doing a lot of imagining into the pain letting images crop up. They were ugly. One place was my right shoulder. I spontaneously imagined knives, broken glass, torture instruments. Then I would imagine my astral hands removing them and placing them in a special box and the box is a machine with dials etc. The box also is in the astral and it has many functions. It is an elaborate fantasy. My imagining WORKS!!!!!!!!!

I have imaginary gold screens that I use as energy sieves and that removes static through the field. I chase migraine pain and it acts like water skittling across a hot plate so I see the pain is elusive information that really HURTS. Softeneing, relaxing and feeling the pain lets me reach these "places" to release the "contents". IT WORKS. IT WORKS.

My only point here is that our own imagination is no joke. It is so important to me to know that I will be able to have a knowing that this is a tool. I cherish my box, my sieves, my special story of how I can manage my energy. Yet I REFUSE to believe the gnarly torture devices I remove are alien implants or that I am under siege from external "baddies" that I must defend against. When I have issues, I am empowered by knowing they just came from my own state of being.

I think the convoluted stories people are preaching in the con-spiritual circles are cementing THEIR OWN allegiance to beliefs so they MUST follow their own preaching (just IMO).

Anchor

3rd October 2014, 03:59

Clarity,

dont worry about anything.

Most of the time explaining about chakras must be like trying to explain colour to a blind man who has never seen. You say your communications skills are limited - and yes they are - as are those of ANYBODY trying to engage in talk of the generally unseen.

It's a shame that you have gone with unanswered questions pending.

When you then come up with something that is completely different to what most people know, you are obviously going to draw some interest/controversy/focus and its not always pleasant to be put in that kind of spotlight when you are not used to it. On this forum, you are more or less assured a reasonable degree of buffering from the really extreme examples of how the critiques and challenges can go.

For what its worth: all I know about chakras is theoretical. I've never needed to really find out about them for real, never bothered to "see" them, I just have a lot of faith in my bodies and that they will mostly work just fine and I don't tinker with the mechanics unless I really have to.

John..

Jake

3rd October 2014, 14:32

I've listened to Inelia talk about Chakras in this interview... She states very clearly that the Chakras are tools to be used. They can be used for good or bad... She has heard folks talk about it, but had never considered it. She received one of her 'downloads' from source regarding balancing and dissolving (not to be confused with removing) Chakras. You can create energetic tools and structures for yourself,, and THOSE can be removed. Inelia says over and over again that you must take control of your energy centers. She said that she puts all of her information to work before she advises or suggest that someone else use it... She said that she 'created energy constructs,, then removed them'... She also said that she has no idea where the primary centers came from,, as she has always trusted the constructs of her body... She refers to them as quite beautiful and necessary,, as tools.. She never said that she has removed her Chakras... At least not in this interview... She only said that she has heard of it... In fact, she states with no uncertain terms that if you do not take control of them then they can be used against you... She said that perhaps the uncollective unconscious of our planet may be ready for information like that,,, but she also says that our unconscious collective mind is lost and blind...

From the webpage that was highlighted in the O.P....

The interest of dissolving the chakras began with shedding light on the archonic manipulation that has been plaguing humanity for thousands of years. Various forms of mind control and energy vampirism includes implants which can attach themselves to chakras and to the brain itself. Through clairvoyance, energy workers began to identify the energy vampires that attack the chakras. Removal of these beings and implants allowed for the person to raise their vibration and continue advancing toward their spiritual goals of moving out of a dense third dimensional inorganic experience.

The author of this article seems to follow the logic of Chakras being controlled by Archontic types... The solution is to REMOVE THE BEINGS AND THE IMPLANTS... I don't see where removing chakras is even honestly considered, other than speculation...

Only George Kavassalis insists that he has had his Chakras removed,, and then goes on to suggest that working with them is feeding into a 'false matrix',,, and my friend,,,,, That is blissful ignorance at its best...

If I have a leech on my foot,,, I remove the leech,,, not the foot...

Wishing you all the best,
Jake.

elearah

27th October 2014, 11:43

Hi guys,
almost new here. So sorry if I break any etiquette. :)

My belief system tends to be as simple as possible. That is, I get feedback I can´t explain within 3D (emotions, downloads, images) and then I try to connect the dots creating a set of beliefs able to accommodate that information.

So... this is what I understand at this place and time about chakras. It might coincide with someone else, or maybe not.

Main question: do they exist?

First chakra. I haven´t exactly experienced it in a physical way. But when I make a grounding meditation from first chakra connecting right to the center of Earth, I do feel grounded. The effect is similar to the one you get walking barefoot. A bit different, but in that line. I have also made meditations for flushing when I started playing with this stuff, and there were unexpected elements to the images that came, enough to realize I was maybe not making all this up just by myself. And I felt great after, whether it is placebo effect or not.

One more thing about first chakra, and this was a download: the reason why kids are systematically raped within these cocaine crazed groups that have too much time in their hands is because it breaks their compass, and put a parasitical chord to the entities they are slaves of. Caroline Myss did an interesting job connecting chakras with spiritual development. In her system base chakra is connected with Earth, group relationships and society, which fits nicely here.

Second chakra: I don´t have personal experiences regarding this one. I did visualizations that included it, but it could be all in my head.

Third chakra: this one is active for me. I have a lot of gut feedback to situations and released questions. El Coli, who experienced spontaneous Kundalini and wrote a book about it said something that stayed with me: she says that activation of third chakra is in the base of empathy as an empath. I do believe extrapolating my experiences and this that chakras have three states: close, open and active. And when the chakras get active we have clair abilities at work. It is just a model but so far it works for me as I am an empath so the feedback is very strong.

Forth chakra: The heart. This is my favorite one. It connects right to Source going inward and leaving the 3D-- that´s how I feel it. From this place, if "it" wants and the recipient agrees at a soul level interesting things happen, like healing. In general it is the place from where we access our battery. And the word Source is well put indeed, as in the thermodynamic sense it means it is a reservoir with infinite amount--maybe it was all the way around, I don´t know. I have also noticed that even when the amount of energy is unlimited, we can only use it if the intent is in rapport with the intent of Source, meaning that it is not available to harm--with exceptions.

Most of the parasitical chords I have cut enter the heart chakra from the back.

Fifth chakra: I have experienced this one in connection to soul evolution and illness. When I needed and couldn´t find my voice, my thyroid gland kaput. This shows as I see it a connection between the chakra system (evolution, energy) and the endocrine system (emotions?). It could be a stretch or maybe there are other explanations, but so far it works for me.

Sixth chakra: I haven´t experienced this one, as I can´t see a thing. I have dreams sometimes, but that is about it.

Seventh chakra: this is the one from where I get downloads. It is connected with the pinneal gland if I get it right. And it goes right to what I call the macroconsciousness, and others call by different names--the collective, the Akashic records, etc. Something that was like a revelation for me in relation to this was that every time someone tries to connect with God going upwards from here, he/she us actually connecting with the image of God in the macroconsciousness. So it is not the real thing. In the first layer the macroconsciousness contains everything mankind has ever thought about and its strength is related with the emotional response attached and the number of people that have fed it. So fairies are there, and Jack the Ripper is there, an image of every god is there, and also many of the bad guys.

This connects with a comment about George Cassavilas not liking the chakra system much. I heard him said that at a time he was very fond of reiki practitioners. And that he discovered he had implants that were put in his chakras by them--probably unwillingly. Following this little line of connecting the dots, it clears the mysterious source of chi used by reiki: it is located in the collective. Now here is the trick: if this is true it is not an infinite source of energy, and the thing will have to replenish. This also explain why reiki practitioners need to apply energy to themselves every day or things go south for them. Please note: I´m not trying to be controversial here. I´m just sharing my personal experience and beliefs at this place and time.

So... I think the chakra system is useful as a model, and the chakras have different functions, one of them is to be entry/exit points of energy in the body. If we use the concept of chords here, these are the places from where we can extend chords out to explore our subtle environment. I also see them as a representation of the spiritual path (this comes from Caroline Myss work). And I believe they have two different states: a passive one (open/close) related with healthy flow of energy in the body and an active one (lets say swirling) related with clair abilities.

Again... any of this is subject to change as I´m forced to accommodate more data.

Any comment is highly appreciated.

Catsquotl

9th November 2014, 14:02

Hi,

A few years ago I removed my chakra's through a very simple visualization/imagining excersise.
A felt great for a few days, but encountered a lot of resistance from people about the subject.

Had some great conversations on various forums about it. Alas most of those have no backlog or had to reboot loosing the thread in the process.
Anyway. some people skilled in remote viewing took a look and saw the were closed and almost just button sized little blobs along a black cane like structure.

My experiment was cut short when some entity with hopefully the best of interest at hart reinstated/jumpstarted them again as she felt i was dying without them.
Being a father of 6 young peeps. I decided to leave it at that. somehow the people that were able to look before were no longer able to do so..

Thats my experience in a nutshel.
In my research though i could not find a reference to our 7 chakra system from before 1600 AD in some buddhist text.
The chakra's that mede a written explanation before that had little to do with the way we view our chakra's these days.

I have spoken to a few more people who removed or transmutated them to a single starshape in their center without any advers effects.
So in my view i don't think there is much of a problem, and yes i still do believe the chakra's could be a tool of manipulation "given" to us by our creators as a way to enhance the quality of loosh we produce..

WIth Love
Eelco
Found my experience written out somewhere dated 12-4-2013 (which is april, not december)

Hi everyone,

I was reading a book called Our universal Journey which cover a great many topics. One of which is the nature of our chakra system.

In the book George Kavassilas states that the chakra system is a construct designed by false light. (our gods) in order to manipulate our Human Being through the saturn rings..

This sounded very out there, but this morning I was listening to episode 5 of the super woo radio podcast. after about 85 minutes there was a discussion about this very topic. Laura lee mistyca explained how she and a few indigo's looked at their chakra systems and decided to remove them as they felt something was off with that paradigm.

When I listened I closed my eyes and saw how my chacra system connected. back and front connected throug a front and back cone that screwed together. like so..><

then I noticed how my first and 7th chakra where screwed together in the same way... SO i unscrewed the first and 7th. they came loose pretty easily and when loose they moved back a bit..(up and down). I then was able to unscrew the back and forth cone of each chakra from 6 to 2..

They all moved back a bit and hovered in stasis a few inches from there original position.. I first decided to just let them float into space and started to intend that when i heard the podcast again where they discussed how putting them in your heart centre seemed to dissolve them completely thus neutralizing their influence completely.

I proceeded to call them back in. Gathered them up and saw my heart centre as an entire universe.. I just let them float into that.

In that moment I saw from my heart centre energetic lines retreat from my centre to the outer reaches of the space my heart is occupying( a very vast universal space )

This was an experience in itself.
The ring though.. Has a story attached. For years and years now every kind of breathing exercise I do I notice there is some band constricting my breathing just below my diapraghm.. That ring is gone... I can breath through that area now without feeling some hurdle that needs to be taken/pushed through...

For a few hours after the removal I noriced the gaps that were left by the chakra.. I feared first for some residual enegy or an atempt by some beings to repear them but then realize they were just the empty spaces where the chakra constructs were...

I intended to fill the space left with me.. And after they intent was made that's what happened really nicely..

Muscles testing confirms I no longer have a chakra system..

After a few days...
My energy system seems to be a loose bubble with me in the center. Yesterday I noticed how in my bubble..The skin or membrane is this very thing crinckly layer. bulged towards people and vegetables I came in contact with.. It felt very organic and made the impression of like how an amouba moves towards nutrients.....

Now this morning in the forest i was able to extend the membrane of this bubble to outside the forrest from where I was.

At that moment I was able to percieve the forrest as a part of me... Like if everything in that bubble is a part of me. Not that I felt every twig individualy, but more the conscioussnes of source being the same source for everything inside that bubble..

wonderfull experience... no bliss or overexitement. Just pure enjoyment or the forrest and the life of it all.

Just sharing
With Love

Eelco

Gatita

9th November 2014, 14:31

To me, removing chairs would be like removing the circulatory and lymphatic systems. I view the chakric system as a necessary tool. I could probably do things to optimize the functionality of mine. Right now my physical systems are arguing for my attention. I think I will get another cup of coffee and have some breakfast. Then I can take my pain medication. Shoulder surgery six weeks ago. Any suggestions for optimization of my chakras are welcome.

Gatita

Catsquotl

9th November 2014, 14:35

Not the chacra system, but accupuncture or a good shiatsu therapist may get that blocked qi flowing again.
accupuncture supposedly can do much for pain problems..
Some people view accupuncture points as mini chackra's

WIth Love
Eelco

Catsquotl

9th November 2014, 16:08

You said that you were taught this by a Qigong teacher??? That is disturbing... I've studied Qigong quite a bit and know several others who do too... If he is teaching you that you can remove Chakras, then it is NOT Qigong

Why not??
As fas as I am aware chacra's are not mentioned in chinese philosophy and medicine anywhere...
In fact in my TCM study it was explicitely mentioned the system of meridians and accupuncture points is a different energy system than that of the chakra's

with Love
Eelco

Catsquotl

9th November 2014, 19:54

Jake I have a question for you.
You say you have been mapping your energy system way before you heard of chacra's or aura's.

I take it you found energy vortexes of some sort which you could map to what we know to be chacra's.

When thinking/researching chacra's when i pondered the removal of them what i wanted do find out was this.

If and when we as humans are manipulated on the level of our dna. How difficult would it have been to also implement an energy system then and there that would aloow for easy manipulation through the basic energies that make up life. Chacra's as viewed like that (manipulation tools) would be perfect to produse loosh.
Just add a little distortion here and there. Our chacra's will compensate in some form end create an easy way to siphon of the produce of that distortion. be it fear, or any of the energetic pattern's they seem to like in not one crude form, but in 7 delicious flavors.

Now if that was the case being born with this manipulated dna would from day one implement a chakra system and thus if a baby was able to map out its energy system it would see and accept those chacra's as part of itself. I think that that could be a very plausible explanation in favor of the idea the chacra's are not neccicerily "natural" for us humans..

What I am interested in is if you somehow found energy of a rudimentary or sepperate energy system. Poossibly one that seems trivial as it would transport a lees refined form of energy. Thinking about the meridian system here where qi and blood flows, but in different aggregations of density(for lack of a better word)

With Love
Eelco

Catsquotl

10th November 2014, 05:52

Just because this subject interests me so much here's a simplified overview about the history of chakra's taken from.
history-of-the-chakra-system (http://sacredcenters.com/history-of-the-chakra-system/)
Now in my understanding the 7 chakra system was not written about until maybe 800 or 1000 AD.
And from what I rememeber the system we usualy use wasn't writen about until somewhere in the 16th century.

As creators i feel we just may have created the 7 chakra system ourselves, manipulated into thinking the were tools for development by some (god/avatar/false master, etc)
Pray en recieve
or mediate and clean those chakra's and become enlightened..

with Love
Eelco

Now that the chakras have become New Age parlance, there are many interpretations of their meaning and function being bandied about. While this popularity is making the chakras a household word, it is also spreading a lot of confusing, conflicting, and often erroneous information. It is important to realize the chakras come from an ancient tradition, which many New Age teachers have barely explored. Here is a brief summary of the development of the chakras historically.

The Vedas are the oldest written tradition in India, (1,500 – 500 B.C.) recorded from oral tradition by upper caste Brahmins, who may have been descended from the Aryan stock which entered India from the north. The original meaning of the word chakra as “wheel” refers to the chariot wheels of the rulers, called cakravartins. (The correct spelling is cakra, though pronounced with a ch as in church.) The word was also a metaphor for the sun, which “traverses the world like the triumphant chariot of a cakravartin and denotes the eternal wheel of time called the kalacakra which represents celestial order and balance.

The birth of a cakravartin was said to herald a new age, and they were described as preceded by a golden disk of light, much like the halo of Christ, only this spinning disk was seen in front of them (perhaps their powerful third chakras). It is also said that the god Vishnu descended to Earth, having in his four arms a cakra, a lotus flower, a club, and a conch shell. (This may have referred to a cakra as a discus-like weapon.)

There is some mention of the chakras as psychic centers of consciousness in the Yoga Upanishads (circa 600B.C.) and later in the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali (circa 200 B.C.). Most interpretations of Patanjali read a dualism between purusha (pure consciousness) and prakriti (the prima materia of the world), implying that the goal of yoga was to rise above nature for the realization of pure consciousness, free of the fluctuations of the mind and emotions. Yet the word yoga means union or yoke, so this realization of consciousness must ultimately reintegrate with nature for a higher synthesis.

The chakra system and Kundalini yoga arose within the Tantric tradition, during the second half of the first millennium, common era. The word Tantra means tool (tra) for stretching (tan) and can be thought of as a loom in which the fabric of nature is woven from the union of opposites. In the West, Tantra is thought of primarily as a sexual tradition, yet sacred sexuality is only a small part of a broad weaving of philosophy which includes many practices of yoga, worship of deities, especially the Hindu goddesses, and integration of the many polaric forces in the universe.

The main text about chakras that has come to us in the West is a translation by the Englishman, Arthur Avalon, in his book,The Serpent Power published in 1919. These texts: the Sat-Cakra-Nirupana, written by an Indian pundit in 1577, and the Padaka-Pancaka, written in the 10th century, contain descriptions of the centers and related practices. There is also another 10th century text, called the Gorakshashatakam, which gives instructions for meditating on the chakras. These texts form the basis of our understanding of chakra theory and Kundalini yoga today.

In these traditions, there are seven basic chakras, and they all exist within the subtle body, overlaying the physical body. Through modern physiology we can see that these seven chakras correspond exactly to the seven main nerve ganglia which emanate from the spinal column. There are minor chakras mentioned in the ancient texts, the soma chakra, located just above the third eye, and the Anandakanda lotus, which contains the Celestial Wishing Tree (Kalpataru) of the Heart Chakra, and other texts mention minor sub-levels to the major chakras.

- See more at: http://sacredcenters.com/history-of-the-chakra-system/#sthash.zW2zNDh1.dpuf

Pris

10th November 2014, 06:42

It's no accident that the chakras are the colours of white light spread out.

Light is energy. Energy is matter. Matter is energy. Energy is light. :)

http://www.thompsonfuneraldirectors.com/uploads/1/2/9/3/12936925/9533755_orig.jpg

To appreciate a rainbow, you have to see all the colours together as one. Focusing on any one colour by itself is, I think, missing the point.

Pris

10th November 2014, 10:54

this site is littered with uneducated and unaware people sprouting up opinions on things they think they know something about, but in fact their perceptions are imaginary ramblings built upon the imbalanced psychological projections dwelling in their unconscious. This just turns threads like this into a form of disinformation. Someone like jake, who has a good understanding of the basics on the human energy system is then forced to waste time debating the relevance, validity and existence of energy centers historically known as chakras.

In short chakras exist, and are essential to human life as any human organ. If you dont know this, you are not qualified to speak on such subjects. This is a basic fact of human energy anatomy. A chakra cannot be removed but can be restructured to function at maximum efficacy.

People like George Kavassalis are delusional and have no business speaking on subjects such as these.

You know... with all respect, it's people like you that make me lift an eyebrow and pay much closer attention to what people like Clarity have to say.

Also, just because I or others may not know much about this topic according to your standards doesn't mean we shouldn't say what we think about it, thanks. You'd be amazed where knowledge can spring from.

You even say 'people like George Kavassalis are delusional and have no business speaking on subjects such as these'. I mean, you don't say he may be delusional, you say, unequivocally, he IS delusional. On what grounds? I don't necessarily agree with everything George Kavassalis has to say, but I've enjoyed listening to him. Delusional or not, he's fascinating to listen to and has helped open up my mind to new ways of looking at things. I like that.

I pay attention to what I am drawn to. Learning all the nitty gritty details about the chakras has never been high on my list of priorities. I've made some effort to look into it, but it just never resonated with me.

And, something about having a whole bunch of separate energy centres -- and dealing with them individually -- for me is like chopping up a person into bits. I think we're meant to see ourselves as 'whole', and it's my gut feeling that tells me so.

I'm going to bale out of this thread now. I find I'm starting to repeat myself which probably means my communication skills are lacking.

Are you kidding? You're doing a fine job. :)

Catsquotl

14th November 2014, 05:42

So this thread has me intrigued about the chacra again.
Decided to take a closer look at them during meditation. I hadn't looked at them or worked with them after I removed and had them reinstated almost 2 years ago.

What immediatly came into mind was that they looked so artificial. Like they were some plastic overlay of some sort.
Looking at how they were connected I noticed that where before they were connected front and back in the middle (2 through 6) and 1 and 7(top-bottom)
with some sort of screw construction which I was able to tighten or loosen. Those connection now were sealed over by some bleuish energy sphere.

I was unable to manipulate their connection, but still had the distinkt impression the chakra system was a "fake" construct installed to "fool" those that would leech from them.

Anyway after 2 days of thinking about that and consulting my HS who backed up my thoughts
I had another long look and was able to lossen the connections at which point I could visualize them falling away.
At that point a signpost suspended in my heart center appeard. Kept in place by 4 chords holding the sign from the corners into some unseen anchorpoint out of my sight.
The post itself had borders like intricate woodwork and in the middle just had an X. Impression/message was X marks the spot.

I cut those chords and the sign collapsed into itself disolving to dust.
After that I saw 3 energy centers connected to and guided from the middle one like a double torus. energy started flowing in both directions.
My energy field no longer had a connection to below(mother earth centre) or above (HS line)

It felt like a self contained energy field connecting organicaly to its surrounding, being fed from within and connection on principle of attraction to everything not part of it.

Anyway just thought I'd share.
Could be true. Could be my imagination.

Personally i feel this is how my energysystem should be operating. It feels more like a cohesive whole now, than the chacra system ever did.
easyer to view, clear and sustain than the spinning chacra system.

WIth Love
Eelco

Ps the imigary i think is a personal translation of concepts. So don't take this a a visualization guide. but see what comes up from within when you decide to take a look for yourself.

Aspen

15th November 2014, 23:46

George Kavassalis has several podcast you can listen to that describe how several individuals came to the conclusion that we don't need our chakras and feel more peace without them. I think the persecution he has experienced as a result of these broadcasts are very telling. Maybe chakra are linked to false religion, a false New Age religion. I love the most recent interview of shaman Carla Fox and how matter of fact she is about removing her chakras and describing how she did it. She recommends not relying on other healers to do this for you, but to remove them yourself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inJGDD7Be8s