9/11 TRUTH GOES NUCLEAR: Massive Download In Progress

[jerry]

Russia Disseminates, Snowden Validates, NSA Evidence Corroborates New 9/11 Data Dump

“This 9/11 data dump is so radioactive the US Government will likely collapse. The world will never be the same when nations everywhere see this report!” – Veteran 9/11 Investigator

there is a time line posted in this link so while the video is long you can skip to the meat of the interview to save some time . It is another riveting revelation on 911
http://sgtreport.com/2014/09/911-truth-goes-nuclear-massive-download-in-progress/#more-328338

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I've always hoped this would happen (with Snowden, 9/11 and Russia), so I'll keep my eyes on this.


When I first got into Avalon-like interests, it was two separate things that later integrated: 1) astral projection and lucid dreaming (representing spirituality to me) and 2) 9/11 being an inside job (representing everything conspiratorial to me).

I spent several years researching 9/11, helped administer the website "www.studyof911.com" (which we were not able to continue funding) which had the largest image library of 9/11 images on the Internet, with searchable tags and all kinds of nice features. I was particularly fascinated with the Twin Towers. I knew NIST was wrong (their own report shows it, when they "calibrated" for their computer simulations -- in reality a physical test which blatantly disproved their hypothesis). I knew it wasn't just planes and fires. But I also knew it wasn't conventional explosives. And I knew it wasn't just thermite. And I had a growing suspicion that even conventional explosives or even military bombs in conjunction with thermite couldn't explain all the evidence.

So I was eventually led to conclude that some kind of molecular/atomic attack was made directly onto the structure, at least in the basements and possibly focused upwards from there. Thermite may have also been used, as well as the occasional conventional explosive just to throw someone off, I wouldn't know. But a significant portion of the steel (as well as concrete and other materials) was reduced to nano-sized particles, so much that it couldn't be explained by mechanical pulverization under any realistic amount of weight and dynamic force. Steel was melted and remained molten or glowing red hot for months, burning in the rubble pile where firefighter testimony indicated that opening extremely hot pockets of metal to air caused flames to burst forth immediately, suggesting that there wasn't much oxygen available beforehand, and certainly not enough to create a kind of smelting forge.

This stuff sounds crazy even to many 9/11 conspiracy theorists, but in the end it really makes no difference how the buildings were destroyed I think. The main point is that when a catastrophe occurs like this, the WRONG thing to do is blame someone within 24 hours and be at war within a week or so.

[jerry]

Anyone new to learning about www.veteranstoday.com which is US Intelligence backed up by our military. They have published MUCH proof of what they say on their website including TONS of classified documents that prove 9/11 was a nuclear event. They just posted the audio file where Senator Songstad and Governor Sundquist were caught on tape plotting murder! Please share with others . You need to support our patriots that have put out so much classified information that it makes Snowden's leaks look like a joke! It's all on VeteransToday (VT) but you got to go read!

Grand Jury testimony is not available to the public. You are free to request this through FOIA and I believe doing so is the obligation of any American.

[jake gittes]

I read VT a lot Jerry. There stuff rings truer than most sites IMO.

[wnlight]

There is one statement in this article that I do not believe. “This 9/11 data dump is so radioactive the US Government will likely collapse." This will not happen because most Americans will not see this. Of those who do see it, most will not read it. Of those who read this, most will do nothing about it. Of those that do something about it, many will be jailed or killed.

Thanks, jerry, for sending us the details.

[Limor Wolf]

It seems that we are approaching times where the current controllers would atually prefer revalations such as the 9/11 to come out. This may certainly serve their interest. Intimidation factor has a considerable psychological impact when the average citizen's inner world and faith falls apart and simultaneously the world outside also collapses, then all the person wants to do is to put their head between their legs and pray

In the PTB book timing has value and it seems as if they are controlling quite a lot of the 'whistelblowing' done in these areas.

In the years to come the revalations of their machinations will even be encouraged to some degree, as they figure that by now they closed all the gates.

Hoever, when the human spark is underestimated, assumptions such as this falls into the pit of vanity

[Operator]

----
Please, after 13 years can you please look at all the facts?

I agree with you but also read my post #9 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75484-9-11-TRUTH-GOES-NUCLEAR-Massive-Download-In-Progress&p=883026&viewfull=1#post883026) (again).
If we fail to understand this we can push all we want but are then just wasting energy.

[gripreaper]

I agree with you but also read my post #9 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75484-9-11-TRUTH-GOES-NUCLEAR-Massive-Download-In-Progress&p=883026&viewfull=1#post883026) (again). If we fail to understand this we can push all we want but are then just wasting energy.

Yes, I understand. I grew up loving my country because I was taught that it was the land of the free and the home of the brave. We stood with our hand over our heart each morning at school and recited the pledge of allegiance to the flag, because we were told America was a Republic and had a representative government by the people, of the people, and for the people. Yes, I believed all of these things till I learned otherwise.

I was angry and I was sad when i realized we have been lied to, that our Republic was sold out, bankrupted, and pledged as collateral to the global banksters, turned from the original organic constitution into a corporatocracy run by lawyers, when the 13th amendment disallowed titles of nobility. Hundreds of thousands of my friends and family, my fellow Americans gave their lives for freedom and liberty and justice, all good honest hard working loving souls.

It's not an easy truth to grasp, not any easier than the truth of 9-11, especially for those who have vested their lives in such beliefs. But, even though the truth hurts, it will set you free.

[ghostrider]

I suspect Israel was involved along with the CIA in the WTC destruction ... who benefits most of all if most Arab countries are entangled and degraded by war with the U.S. ??? They can't focus on Israel it they are busy fighting America ...White vans were seen in the Area the day before 911, some Israelis were detained and released ... there is so much more to 911 than we can imagine ...

[Jean-Luc]

It seems that we are approaching times where the current controllers would atually prefer revalations such as the 9/11 to come out. This may certainly serve their interest. Intimidation factor has a considerable psychological impact when the average citizen's inner world and faith falls apart and simultaneously the world outside also collapses, then all the person wants to do is to put their head between their legs and pray

In the PTB book timing has value and it seems as if they are controlling quite a lot of the 'whistelblowing' done in these areas.

In the years to come the revalations of their machinations will even be encouraged to some degree, as they figure that by now they closed all the gates.

Hoever, when the human spark is underestimated, assumptions such as this falls into the pit of vanity

That's quite a provocative viewpoint which may in the long term have some validity.

However with the latest Cameron's UN speech claiming that anyone who question the governments' narrative about 7/7 or 9/11 is basically as dangerous as an ISIS terrorist, we seem to be very far from that. To me it tends to show some kind of despair from these chaps/puppets.

http://youtu.be/L-TQDt8T2B8?t=3m

[Hervé]

[...]

... one of the mysteries of our reality is when a great amount of evidence and proof is being well presented and still, denial or excessive caution is taking place, and here it is possible that there are some other psychological or otherwise reasons. But this is a real phenomenon that seems to be wide and spread - it may be some kind of 'skepticism as a profession' on any one subject, in the condition that one claims to examine the facts on an adequate level and from all angles. Saying that, each of us may fall into this in any one field or area of research, this happens when our internal programming has the upper hand on the actual evidence presented before us.

What's certain is that school days kool-aid tasted better than today

:wave:

I keep posting this video in support of such observations, knowing well that it can only reach the choir since the others will remain under the spell:


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Full interview:
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Basically, 9-11 was a planet-wide mass hypnosis event (thanks to TV) which addressed people's unconscious rather than the "thinking" individual, you know, like the thing that spreads "mass hysteria" in a crowd... an emotional wave propagating panic all around and which people react viscerally to... no thinking ever involved!

All that's needed is an emotional shock that reaches that unconscious level in which people instantly become suggestible... the reason why the narrative, the culprit and the call for war had to be "suggested" within 24 hours... that is, before the emotional state of the planet gets a chance to subside and come back to "normal" (think of a narrow bell-shape curve).

Accordingly, anyone still "thinking" there was something fishy right off the bat -- or afterwards -- needs to be locked up in a psychiatric ward to find out why the hell they escaped the hypnotic spell (because, indeed, they are "out of their mind," i.e. not control by it)?

An interesting book on the subject: "Open to Suggestion" by Robert Temple.

As for ferreting one's own "programs" out from unconscious realms and into the open: "Thinking, Fast and Slow" by Daniel Kahneman... :wink:

[Ahnung-quay]

I feel that some of our brainwashing about 9/11 may be due in part to economic circumstances. We had three basic classes of people in the U.S. The lower class who just struggle with daily existence and really don't have time or care to think about anything else. The middle class who have been steadily hit with economic insecurity to the point that many of them are in the same mindset as the lower class. The upper class who just want to hold onto their money. Any of these classes of individuals will turn a blind eye to the truth out of fear of losing anything. Fear keeps the brainwashing in place.

Another factor in our continuing brainwashing is the fact that most of us have been taught to be patriotic to a fault. Our leaders would never do anything against their own people, would they? It hurts to wake up and realize that our leaders are really that self-serving and traitorous. It goes against our initial patriotic brainwashing.

And, our media has been a factor for sure. I'm not talking about just the news media. I'm talking about Hollywood as well. Think about all of the violent movies that were produced in the 1980's and 1990's. They served to numb people to violence.

I knew that 9/11 was an inside job the day it happened. Something inside myself just told me it was; intuition. As I watched the demons unleashed in the smoke, I instinctively knew an evil force was at work and that it was more than just a few Middle Eastern terrorists with box cutters.

When I watched the news reports of 9/11 on 9/11, I felt like I was watching a disaster movie play out. It reminded me most of the movie Die Hard where the terrorists were really thieves. My intuition told me and still tells me that 9/11 was in part a heist for gold and insurance money. Done for the money and in order to cow a nation.

I haven't watched any of the videos posted in this thread, these are just my thoughts. From reading the other comments, I'm left wondering why some of us never believed the official story even though we are living with the same struggles, with the same basic education and with the same media exposure as every one else.

Is there just something in the souls of some of us that knows that our whole reality is a false construct? Can some of us not be brainwashed? Interesting subject to ponder....

[seeker/reader]

The numerology/symboloism of 9/11, shown below by Mark Passio, defiantly fits the M.O. of TPTB. His presentation really caught my attention the first time I saw it.

********************************************************

Mark Passio on the Chaos Sorcery of 9/11 - Kabbalah, Tarot & Freemasonry - Symbolism and Numerology

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[jerry]

There is one statement in this article that I do not believe. “This 9/11 data dump is so radioactive the US Government will likely collapse." This will not happen because most Americans will not see this. Of those who do see it, most will not read it. Of those who read this, most will do nothing about it. Of those that do something about it, many will be jailed or killed.

Thanks, jerry, for sending us the details.

I agree , it was a quote from The VT investigator and not my opinion. I do want to add that many things are in the works on many fronts and we just need to reach that critical mass and its over for those who control us all. There are the 28 pages to be revealed and if that gets to MSM I think we will reach that critical point in awakening everyone to the corruption rotting the world to the core.

[ceetee9]

I agree with you but also read my post #9 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75484-9-11-TRUTH-GOES-NUCLEAR-Massive-Download-In-Progress&p=883026&viewfull=1#post883026) (again). If we fail to understand this we can push all we want but are then just wasting energy.

Yes, I understand. I grew up loving my country because I was taught that it was the land of the free and the home of the brave. We stood with our hand over our heart each morning at school and recited the pledge of allegiance to the flag, because we were told America was a Republic and had a representative government by the people, of the people, and for the people. Yes, I believed all of these things till I learned otherwise.

I was angry and I was sad when i realized we have been lied to, that our Republic was sold out, bankrupted, and pledged as collateral to the global banksters, turned from the original organic constitution into a corporatocracy run by lawyers, when the 13th amendment disallowed titles of nobility. Hundreds of thousands of my friends and family, my fellow Americans gave their lives for freedom and liberty and justice, all good honest hard working loving souls.

It's not an easy truth to grasp, not any easier than the truth of 9-11, especially for those who have vested their lives in such beliefs. But, even though the truth hurts, it will set you free.Bravo gripreaper! Well said. I'm sure there are many Avalonians and Americans, like you and I, who felt the same way and have had to come to grips (no pun intended) with the fact that it was all a lie.

[ceetee9]

I NEVER use absolutes.Oopsie, that's an absolute. ;)

[avid]

I was resolute in explaining the why's and wherefore's of war, and the economics of such, to my Dad when he was aware of reality at 94 years old. I told him we were puppets in the grand scheme of things, and that lives had been sacrificed unnecessarily for greed and profit. When I said he would find out the truth when he was gone, he acknowledged there were many indiscrepancies in the 'truth' that they were told. He now has the truth, thank goodness, and he now knows I'm not a 'conspiracy nut' at last!!! He and my Mum are now together in another dimension - of which there are many. Too many lives gone for greed and profit via false flags and therefore major wars. We are awake now - let's stop this nonsense!!! Look at Syria now - it's a war for greed and resources!!! Surely enough is enough for these vile Satanic folk!!! However -as time and the internet evolves, they will be outed and disposed of.......

[gripreaper]

I NEVER use absolutes.Oopsie, that's an absolute. ;)

Ah, busted! :o That's why I love this place, can't get away with anything!

[SPIRIT WOLF]

9/11 is an extremely emotive subject, its nigh impossible to point out the glaring inconsistencies to those that for whatever reason wish to swallow the official story to the letter. It can get very heated, even pointing out facts from actual professionals, these 'blinkered ones' shake heads and continue on their way.

[jerry]

The following video is one of the best I have been able to find on 911 when considering time and facts covered. James Corbett tactfully covers the convincing talking points in a short 4 minute + video that will give any deniers still out there the most serious questions to ponder. Give them pause to reflect on the evidence presented by our leaders through the unquestioning MSM. yuC_4mGTs98

[ceetee9]

The following video is one of the best I have been able to find on 911 when considering time and facts covered. James Corbett tactfully covers the convincing talking points in a short 4 minute + video that will give any deniers still out there the most serious questions to ponder. Give them pause to reflect on the evidence presented by our leaders through the unquestioning MSM. yuC_4mGTs98Even though I've seen this video before, I forgot how good it was. James Corbett is brilliant.

[Wind]

If you believe in (the accuracy of) remote viewing (I do)...

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[Wyrmspleen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIoXSwqDSHk&feature=youtu.be

David Cameron Says People Who Question 9/11 & 7/7 Are The Same As Violent Extremists

[Hervé]

If you believe in (the accuracy of) remote viewing (I do)...

[...]

Something must have happened at the top levels (from the Grey Dude (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67668-Courtney-Brown-Announcement-for-February--now-March--2014&p=827356&viewfull=1#post827356)'s bosses) for the Farsight institute to DARE release something even slightly contradictory to the official story:



[...]


Lots of people are asking about using remote viewing to find the missing plane that is in the news these days. It is a good example to use to say that our projects often take a year to complete. There is an extensive time to set up the targets and design the experiment. Then there is the viewing time. Then there is the analysis. This why we only do scientific projects. We never do things that are current news stories. Finding the missing plane is important, but I suspect that all of the mystery of that story will resolve by itself in the near future. Let's hope so.
That's a prime example of the obfuscation perpetrated by PTB and their minions (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67668-Courtney-Brown-Announcement-for-February--now-March--2014&p=809954&viewfull=1#post809954) <---):

"It takes time and it's very complicated..." it all has to be controlled in order to be "scientifically" acceptable by "authorities."

Besides, Courtney did mention in one of his interviews that it's a firm policy of his to not step on any government toes and that plane isn't going to lead anywhere else than to some government toes....

... or else they are trying to recover from the "Announcement (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67668-Courtney-Brown-Announcement-for-February--now-March--2014)" fiasco!

[Hervé]

Sorry Dennis but the gamic is too strong :)

Now, to reiterate what I already posted somewhere (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73435-Don-t-mention-Dr.-Judy-Wood&p=860779&viewfull=1#post860779), this:


http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/IsthistheNuclearBlastHolebeneathaWTCTowerthatDimitriKhalizovreportedwouldwouldresultforma150KiloTonB ombundergroundnuclearexplosion.jpg


... ain't no vitrified bathub!

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Sorry Dennis but the gamic is too strong :)

Now, to reiterate what I already posted somewhere (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73435-Don-t-mention-Dr.-Judy-Wood&p=860779&viewfull=1#post860779), this:


http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/IsthistheNuclearBlastHolebeneathaWTCTowerthatDimitriKhalizovreportedwouldwouldresultforma150KiloTonB ombundergroundnuclearexplosion.jpg


... ain't no vitrified bathub!



Wow, that took a lot of heat and pressure to create that puddle, interesting layering.

[Hervé]

[...]

Wow, that took a lot of heat and pressure to create that puddle, interesting layering.

That's called a "gneiss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gneiss)" the "puddle" basin is a result of erosion of the bedrock (gneiss) by either water or ice, or both.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Skagit-gneiss-Cascades.jpg
Banded gneiss with a dike (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dike_%28geology%29) of granite orthogneiss

[778 neighbour of some guy]

[...]

Wow, that took a lot of heat and pressure to create that puddle, interesting layering.

That's called a "gneiss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gneiss)" the "puddle" basin is a result of erosion of the bedrock (gneiss) by either water or ice, or both.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Skagit-gneiss-Cascades.jpg
Banded gneiss with a dike (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dike_%28geology%29) of granite orthogneiss


Ah, strange gneiss stuffs man, it really resembles a puddle of molten rock, didn't know water and ice erosion could create something like that, and its situated in the bedrock where the foundations of the WTC rested on right, I hope that's just a natural anomaly, cuz if its not..........wtf!!

[Hervé]

Carve/grind/erode a piece of finely layered material perpendicularly to the layering into a bowl or saucer shape and have a look at what you get as a pattern inside that bowl...


http://www.spencerpeterman.com/photos/large/oval%20bowl%20spalted%20maple.JPG
http://www.spencerpeterman.com/index.cfm?carttoken=QEW19S3100114053220&action=ViewDetails&ItemID=21&category=23&viewby=ordervalue&sortorder=ASC

[budicca]

I remember sitting at home watching the news as the planes hit and felt this awful overwhelming deep emotion impact that petrified me as I was a mum of two tiny children.......I was scared and angry which is the exact impact they wanted. I've seen numerous 911 footage and documentaries with structural engineers they looked at the foundations of building 7 at the base of the support structures molten steel was evident and this can only happen after explosives have been used to that debunked the official public report that it collapsed in sympathy with the towers...the engineers wanted to look at the towers evidence which had disapeared....covered up and out of sight......the Pentagons evidence same again conflicting evidence with the official report.....what will it take to wake people up!

[Chilliburger]

So, if a nuke really did collapsed the x3 building then surely evidence of radioactivity would exist.. ??

[tnkayaker]

just answer me one question, where did all the ther - mite come from ? its pickled the ground dirt/rubble and there is only 2 contries that can legally handle ther - mite, this is the main component of newer explosives i have read, anyway it doesnt naturally occur in concrete or ground dirt/sand, so where did it come from? its not a by product of plane fuel, so answer that or try and dismiss that away and ill listen to the old story again.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

(1) The BTS data base shows that Flights 11 and 77 were not even scheduled to fly that day.
(2) FAA records show the planes corresponding to Flights 93 and 175 were not de-registered until 28 September 2005.
(3) Pilots has shown that Flight 93 was in the air but over Urbana, IL, at the time of its alleged “crash” in Shanksville, PA.
(4) Pilots has also shown that Flight 175 was in the air but over Pittsburgh, PA, at the time of its alleged “entry” into the South Tower.
(5) David Ray Griffin and A.K. Dewdney have shown that all of the alleged “phone calls” from the planes were faked.
(6) Elias Davidsson has shown that the government has never proven any hijackers were aboard the planes.
(7) The videos in New York show the use of what appear to have been simulated airplanes.
So how can planes that were not in the air have crashed?
And how can planes that crashed have still been in the air four years later?
And how can the same planes–Flights 93 and Flight 175–have been in two places at the same time?

Anyway... Let’s keep this simple. 911 was a scripted, produced, and aired media show.
Every purported victim, including every plane passengers is a made-up or simulated victim. Planes, passengers, crashes, and related narratives are part of the big media show of that day.

[Bill Ryan]

My theory [about a plane having hit the Pentagon] works pretty good, yours is so full of holes it is laughable.

This is off-topic on this thread, the subject of which is the huge mass of NEW information given to Gordon Duff by Russian sources.

Quibbling about what hit the Pentagon (certainly not any plane, in my very strong opinion) is NOT all that important, and just sets the discussion back some 13 years. :)

Paul (see below) has moved posts on that topic to an existing thread.

:focus:

[ThePythonicCow]

I just split this thread, moving many posts to an existing thread discussing 9/11 and the Pentagon: Evidence That A Boeing 757 Really Did Impact the Pentagon on 9/11 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4867-Evidence-That-A-Boeing-757-Really-Did-Impact-the-Pentagon-on-9-11&p=883018&viewfull=1#post883018)

[TargeT]

So, if a nuke really did collapsed the x3 building then surely evidence of radioactivity would exist.. ??

supposedly that's why no one was allowed near the site for 3-4 days... the half life of a sophisticated nuke is very short (due to the highly refined plutonium warheads, the more energetic the material, the shorter the half life) I believe there are a few (2,500?) first responders with cancer now (http://nypost.com/2014/07/27/cancers-among-ground-zero-workers-skyrocketing/)


just answer me one question, where did all the ther - mite come from ? its pickled the ground dirt/rubble and there is only 2 contries that can legally handle ther - mite, this is the main component of newer explosives i have read, anyway it doesnt naturally occur in concrete or ground dirt/sand, so where did it come from? its not a by product of plane fuel, so answer that or try and dismiss that away and ill listen to the old story again.

Thermite is very easy to make. the "nano thermite" is not so easy to make... it's not so much that thermite was everywhere, but more traces of thermite's use (http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-to-debunk-wtc-thermite/5360964); if one wanted to, one could go make thermite in their back yard. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfly5wBBy8A)

[MalteseKnight]

9/11 had been a long time coming.... Kubrick's Space Odyssey 2001 indicates part of the predictive programming at work intended to take us onto a certain time line....It's a pity that Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy were not able to interview Arthur C. Clarke immediately before his death... The illuminati were holding pedophilia allegations over him [Arthur] like a sword of Damocles almost to the very end.....Had they managed to get to him a death bed confession/revelations would have ensued.... I believe that at least at the very end Arthur was batting on the side of humanity.

[Bill Ryan]

It's a pity that Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy were not able to interview Arthur C. Clarke immediately before his death... The illuminati were holding pedophilia allegations over him [Arthur] like a sword of Damocles almost to the very end.....Had they managed to get to him a death bed confession/revelations would have ensued.... I believe that at least at the very end Arthur was batting on the side of humanity.

Yes. We were in touch with his personal assistant, negotiating an on-record video interview, and would have flown straight to Sri Lanka where he lived. He died before we could get there. We just missed him.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

So, if a nuke really did collapsed the x3 building then surely evidence of radioactivity would exist.. ??

Indira Singh was a first responder and testified that many of the people she worked with that day started to lose their hair, and later came down with many rare and unusual varieties of cancer and lung problems.


At one point, I noticed that you testified as to your physical symptoms and how this had affected your health. What did happen to you, just on a physical level?

It’s an interesting question because I was in excellent physical condition for my age and gender and I was training for an 8,000m mountain climb, so aerobically I knew I could be up at 19 – 20,000 feet, no oxygen, doing a fair amount of aerobic activity… what happened to me is—what happened to all of us basically, and it doesn’t sound very nice, but this is what happened—we had sores—some Firefighters I know still have these horrific sores all over their body, our hair fell out, eye infections, shortness of breath, Adult-onset Asthma, chronic coughs, tiredness, extreme fatigue, cardiac symptoms, heart palpitations where you never had any before, irritability, a lot of symptoms that were consistent with neurotoxic poisoning, those were just the physical symptoms, and in some cases people reported that their hair fell out and even their dental work fell out. And to me they were consistent with signs of radiation poisoning. However, the toxic cocktail that had been burning there… I think a California group went in and analyzed and pretty much came up with the determination that there were about 900 contaminants, 200 different kinds of dioxins, we had the particulate matter the asbestos, the concrete, they had said that particles were ground so fine that they were the smallest particles ever produced in history.

http://ourworldinbalance.blogspot.com/2005/04/story-of-indira-singh.html


There was also some astronomical amount of water dumped onto the site immediately after the towers fell, which made it into the millions or maybe even billions of gallons, I can't remember the exact number.

Later, even after all this water dumped on the pile, some water was tested there and came back with elevated levels of tritium.


Having said that, if nuclear devices were used, I don't think anyone would argue that they would be similar in design to the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. What we must understand about those bombs is how incredibly inefficient they were. About 1% or less of their radioactive materials actually went critical. The rest (uranium and plutonium) was scattered all over the landscape, which contributed to lingering residual radiation. The radioactive material that was converted to energy does not leave radioactive byproducts behind; it simply converts into pure energy.

If modern devices can do 2 things, then they would be nearly impossible to detect. Those 2 things are: 1) accomplish much more efficient reactions, closer to 100% conversion of radioactive material to energy (even 95% would leave little radiation while achieving a much larger blast per the same amount of material), and 2) maximize the amount of alpha and beta radiation while minimizing gamma radiation, and maybe even finding ways to control or direct neutron release (though the appearance of steel sublimating in air suggests neutrons were striking the steel and turning it from a solid straight into a "gas" of fine particles).


http://www.serendipity.li/wot/finn/5/w2000000.jpg


Look at the steel falling in the bottom right-hand corner of the photo and you'll see a large amount of "dust" coming off of it. This isn't the best photo to illustrate this, but in some photos you can see more clearly that this is not simply dust that was on the columns and is being blown off by the air as the steel falls. Instead, this "dust" seems to be spewing directly from the steel itself and then rapidly expanding in a cloud behind it as if it is extremely hot and is expanding in the cooler atmospheric air. If this is the case, as it really appears to be (at least this is NOT simply loose dust coming off), then the steel is probably sublimating from some form of radiation such as neutron radiation striking it.

[Hervé]

Once this can be replicated consistently, then we'll get a clue as to what did it:


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What's definitely certain, for sure, is that that kind of things DID happen!

Edit: See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72833-So-You-Want-to-Know-the-Truth-About-9-11-Gorden-Duff&p=852003&viewfull=1#post852003) (<---)

[Curious77]

NIST ignored the immense steel cores of these WTC buildings in order to reach their conclusion.
They are also private company dependent upon government contracts.
If I recall correctly, Truthers identified not only thermite but a military form/brand of thermite which
points further to military or military contractors being involved -- Blackwater, perhaps?
Demolition experts also acknowledged that it was demolition which brought WTC towers down but
that it was a more sophisticated take down than they could produce.
Agree with your thoughts that something other than demolition/thermite was used ... molecular/atomic attack
"Ground Zero"?

[jerry]

Putin-warns-nuclear-power-consequences-if-attempts-blackmail-russia-dont-stop
No explanation needed here the headline says it all. The comments here too are an excellent read for the pulse of the situation



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-15/putin-warns-nuclear-power-consequences-if-attempts-blackmail-russia-dont-stop

[palm13]

do you guys understand that truth about 911 will never make any real impact anymore?
it was 14 years ago and even if someone would come out with 100% proof how it was planned and done, "they" could still say that: yes there is a possibility that there was inside group with collaboration of Al Quaida and that would be it. maybe there will be some retired black sheeps who would be sacrificed and that would be it. so much about truth.

Its the same as it was with JFK.
Everyone knew it was inside job but what difference it made? nothing. People made just some silly jokes about it and accepted it as a fact.

i agree we live on different times now. but power pyramide and its principles are the same. if you want change, then those who are on top of the pyramid must change inside their souls.
maybe then there will be change. that might take few generations in my opinion. but what do i know :) lol

[jerry]

People believe what they want to believe and has nothing to do with what is truth , like the saying ...you can lead a horse to water....

[DaveToo]

Basically, 9-11 was a planet-wide mass hypnosis event (thanks to TV) which addressed people's unconscious rather than the "thinking" individual, you know, like the thing that spreads "mass hysteria" in a crowd... an emotional wave propagating panic all around and which people react viscerally to... no thinking ever involved!

All that's needed is an emotional shock that reaches that unconscious level in which people instantly become suggestible... the reason why the narrative, the culprit and the call for war had to be "suggested" within 24 hours... that is, before the emotional state of the planet gets a chance to subside and come back to "normal" (think of a narrow bell-shape curve).

Accordingly, anyone still "thinking" there was something fishy right off the bat -- or afterwards -- needs to be locked up in a psychiatric ward to find out why the hell they escaped the hypnotic spell (because, indeed, they are "out of their mind," i.e. not control by it)?

An interesting book on the subject: "Open to Suggestion" by Robert Temple.

As for ferreting one's own "programs" out from unconscious realms and into the open: "Thinking, Fast and Slow" by Daniel Kahneman... :wink:
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Mattias Desmet's 'Mass Formation Psychosis' could be viewed in exactly the same way.
He didn't invent the wheel, as many have been led to believe. :)

[DaveToo]

supposedly that's why no one was allowed near the site for 3-4 days... the half life of a sophisticated nuke is very short (due to the highly refined plutonium warheads, the more energetic the material, the shorter the half life) I believe there are a few (2,500?) first responders with cancer now...



There are now 10x that amount!

[DaveToo]

Putin-warns-nuclear-power-consequences-if-attempts-blackmail-russia-dont-stop
No explanation needed here the headline says it all. The comments here too are an excellent read for the pulse of the situation



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-15/putin-warns-nuclear-power-consequences-if-attempts-blackmail-russia-dont-stop

Old news, recycled today?