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Eric J (Viking)

29th October 2010, 19:58

Whats with all this terror alert at the moment? What are the PTB up to now?? What's going on...?

Sky News is rampant!!!

quote...
International terror alert as suspect package found on cargo plane in UK

• Suspicious package on UPS plane at East Midlands aiport
• Another package found on FedEx plane in Dubai
• US officials tracked other packages on suspected 'dry runs'

A British airport is at the centre of an international terrorism alert after the discovery of suspicious packages on cargo flights destined for the US.

An area of East Midlands airport – Britain's largest air freight terminal – was sealed off after investigators found a package containing a toner cartridge on a United Parcel Service plane from Yemen to Chicago.

Other planes in the United States were placed under investigation, and Federal Express said a second suspicious package had been found in Dubai on a plane originating in Yemen. FedEx and UPS have suspended cargo flights from Yemen.

US officials say the intelligence services have recently tracked three other packages from Yemen for delivery to the US that appear to be trial runs for the smuggling of a bomb on board a cargo plane. It is thought that synagogues in Chicago were among the targets.

The Associated Press reported that the cartridge found in the UK had been manipulated, and that officials found wires attached to it. They were also reported to have found a quantity of white powder.

Initial tests for explosives proved negative, but concerns remained that the nature of the package meant it could be a test run for a bomb. The FBI immediately ordered a search of other UPS planes arriving in the US, including another flight via East Midlands airport.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/29/terrorism-air-

viking

lightblue

29th October 2010, 20:10

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scotland yard is pathetic..i bet you a tenner they'll again detain a "dangerous group" of students who overstayed their visa terms... :yawn: l

.

Martin

29th October 2010, 20:12

Sure, a modified toner cartridge ... a wired toner cartridge send by mail as a test run? To test what? How stupid we are? Seriously if anyone (let's assume there are real terrorists) wanted to blow anything anywhere (let's say Chicago) up why the hell would he do something like this beforehand? Anyone who is really interested in building a bomb could probably aquire all the needed equipment near to the place where he wanted to explode ... whatever he wants. Just ridiculous.

MfG

Martin

Eric J (Viking)

29th October 2010, 20:20

Exactly Martin...so whats the point?

Whats their next move??

viking

Martin

29th October 2010, 20:28

I guess whatever it is it has probably nothing to do with this "terror alert". It is probably just to keep the standard "alarmed-fear-state" - which they are so dire in need of - up and running. Somehow I doubt that this news has somehting to do with any "soon to come" event.

What do you think?

MfG

Martin

truthseekerdan

29th October 2010, 20:32

They're talking about Al Queida in Yemen -- I bet it's about securing that Stargate in the gulf by invading... My opinion. :confused:

Here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101029/ap_on_bi_ge/airports_suspicious_packages

Ba-ba-Ra

29th October 2010, 20:34

truthseekerdan

29th October 2010, 20:44

Obama Issues Fake Terror Alert On Eve Of Elections

Read more: http://www.infowars.com/obama-issues-fake-terror-alert-on-eve-of-elections-2/

Eric J (Viking)

29th October 2010, 20:49

Thanks Dan ... sorted.

Will that really get him a few more votes!!

viking

steve_a

29th October 2010, 21:13

Hi Martin,

I think you got it just about right. In a recent news conference one of the officials must have said, "Al Queida in the Arabian Peninsula" about twenty times. So why now? Because it's near to the elections and as the White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said, "Both Republicans and Democrats will defend the US" in other words, no matter who you vote for...... but the Democrats will.....

I also agree that dummy runs are things one does like a bank raid, not an anonymous bomb blast. As for explosive material being found, the toner in the cartridges is explosive, as is custard powder.

In my view, I think this is a 'false flag' to show tht the government is acting in our best interests, just before the elections. Be strong Americans, don't let this sway your vote next week!

Best regards,

Steve

MzVaFf

29th October 2010, 22:16

Yea AOHELL I meen AOL Just hit me in the face with it lol
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/bomb-squads-investigating-suspicious-cargo-flights/19695106?icid=main|main|dl1|sec1_lnk2|181028

MariaDine

29th October 2010, 22:39

...and the news are also, in Portuguese Newspapers ! I remember a while ago a comment posted in this forum , about the need that Obama, very soon , would have of «looking« for a way to bust up his popularity ratings.
...a terrorist menace trick, was mencioned ..........

«President Obama has already been notified
The White House revealed that President Barack Obama has been notified of the potential terrorist threat, after the alert generated by suspicious packages in two planes.
Based on these alerts, Obama has the intelligence services and police forces to take extra security measures and which would determine if these threats emanating from "new terrorists projects."
It was recently arrested a man of Pakistani origin, that was followed since in April, by the FBI ,for planning an attack on the underground network of Washington DC, the U.S. capital.»

SOURCE http://clix.expresso.pt/eua-cacas-americanos-escoltam-aviao-do-canada=f612333

bluestflame

29th October 2010, 22:52

they do a "dry run" first to see if they can trust the contacts they use to get the thing through stages of security , to test the "firewall" to find out the systems weaknesses and maybe find vulnerabilities in the defence

like putting coloured dye into a fluid to see where the leaks are

bennycog

29th October 2010, 23:03

steve may i second your qoute :)
i just have a couple questions for all of us too.. i see we are floating the 'false flag' phrase around almost as much as the government throws the 'terrorist' threat around. i do it a lot too.
are we validated in doing this? are we falling into a trap by doing this? or is it just that we all have the same mindset on our governments and corporate actions?

written by steve,
"In my view, I think this is a 'false flag' to show tht the government is acting in our best interests, just before the elections. Be strong Americans, don't let this sway your vote next week!"

steve_a

30th October 2010, 08:54

Hi bennycog,

I understand what you mean. I had to think twice before I used the (in)famous 'false flag' label. I normally don't like to use it, if for anything, to be different from everybody else! But yesterday I was a little drained of energy and couldn't put my mind in gear, so the pop culture 'false flag' term was used. But at the end of the day, as long as the message was put over tha was the main thing.

Another thing I will add, I was reading the comments on the CNN blog, a mainstream outlet, and the response was somewhat similar, albeit said in a different way, where the word 'coincidence' was used quite a lot, the coincidence that it happened just before an election. It seemed that this action, if it was originated by the government, backfired badly against it and if nothing elseshowed that the general public is getting immune to terror alerts and in many cases is more aware that it's not always the Arabs that are at the bottom of them.

Best regards,

Steve

THIRDEYE

30th October 2010, 14:49

in my own honest opinion the goverment and the powers to be are setting up the game plan for false flag attacks so too speak,i think those and the powers to be will only ment to keep obama in the white house,ive read and researched this and a false flg is coming down the pike...i hope not but its what i feel...love light and abundance ....thirdeye

Kra

30th October 2010, 16:19

Exactly Martin...so whats the point?

Whats their next move??

viking

Multiple false flag events in europe and us before the end of the year... ?!

Kulapops

30th October 2010, 16:33

Fredkc

30th October 2010, 17:00

You're imagining things!

But you're probably right. ;)

He also criticized the United States for demanding tighter security on inbound international flights than they do for U.S. domestic travel.

"America does not do internally a lot of the things they demand that we do," he said. "We shouldn't stand for that. We should say, 'We'll only do things which we consider to be essential and that you Americans also consider essential.'
Does anyone believe things are genuinely at a point where a government would be allowed to shut off air travel from outside? This is the stuff of tin-pot dictators, and everyone knows we live in democracies.
"Imagine what we'll know tomorrow." - K, MIB

Then...
A U.S. government security official dismissed Broughton's comments.

"These off-the-cuff comments by an individual representing a private, for-profit entity in no way reflect the close working relationship between the U.S. and the U.K. and are not indicative of the cooperative security efforts enjoyed by our two nations," the official said. "These comments are simply out of touch with current intelligence-driven security policies."Ah but therein lies something else.
1. By definition nothing about government is ever 'intelligence driven'.
2. Typical bureaucrat, reality is completely irrelevant, when faced with protecting 'policy'.

Fredkc

30th October 2010, 17:05

A TSA official said: "screening shoes increases security at the checkpoint. Shoes remain a security concern because items may be hidden within the shoe and therefore they must continue to be thoroughly screened. Screening shoes by X-ray is an effective method of identifying any type of anomaly, including explosives."
Did you ever, for even one moment imagine that a free society could crumble to it's knees over shoes?
Waitasec.... what is the french for shoes? um...... uh....... Sabot ?
;)
"There ya go, man!
Keep as cool as you can.
It riles them to believe,
that you perceive the web they weave.
And keep on thinking free!" - Michael Pinder, Moody Blues

Kulapops

30th October 2010, 17:15

Well of course, we know the American government know all about "Sock and Awe"

:drum:

Rocky_Shorz

30th October 2010, 19:24

was the Yemen al Queda bombing plot uncovered thanks to one of our past guests at Guantanamo Bay?

– Fri Oct 15, 8:32 am ET

RIYADH (AFP) – A former Guantanamo detainee who rejoined Al-Qaeda in Yemen after graduating from Saudi Arabia's rehabilitation programme has turned himself in to Saudi authorities, the government said on Friday.

Jaber Jabran al-Faifi, about 35, contacted the Saudi government in recent weeks saying he wanted to return home and a handover was arranged through Yemen's government, interior ministry spokesman General Mansour al-Turki said.

"He contacted our people during Ramadan and asked for their help to return to the kingdom," Turki said.

"We led him step-by-step until he reached Yemeni security forces, based on our instructions," he said.

Faifi was one of a group of former prisoners at the US Guantanamo prison who had been returned to Saudi Arabia for rehabilitation in December 2006 but then escaped to Yemen two years ago after completing the reform programme.

The group became a key part of the Yemen-based Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, or AQAP, and began plotting attacks on Saudi as well as Yemeni targets.

In total 11 of 117 Saudi Guantanamo returnees returned to militancy after completing the rehab programme, according to a top Saudi counter-terror official. Several have been killed or captured.

story link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101015/wl_mideast_afp/saudiunrestqaeda)

Zook

30th October 2010, 19:53

was the Yemen al Queda bombing plot uncovered thanks to one of our past guests at Guantanamo Bay?

Simply amazing.

I don't know how to start a poll (it's probably in the FAQ somewhere)... but it would be nice to know how many Avalonians still believe in the myth that is Al Qaeda. There are TPTB. And then there are TPTB enablers. Angered by the former; saddened by the latter.

Truly stultifying, if you ask me.

:typing:

ps: If my post angers a few people ... so be it. Truth is paramount. IMHO, real harmony does not exist unless it observes the truth; and surface harmony is a veil that will elope with the first gust of wind.

Rocky_Shorz

30th October 2010, 20:32

Metaphor

30th October 2010, 21:09

Hello all,
It have also been reported in Swedish newsmedia the last 24 hours or so that there has been a bombthreat in Gothenburg, swedens second biggest city, and that 2 people have been arrested. This ties in pretty good with the bombpackages heading for the synagouges in Chicago.
Small things, happening here and there to, give the authorities a reason to sacrifice our freedom just a little bit more. Perhaps a bi falseflag will be unnecessary as long as people are locked in fear to the word "terrorist"

Fredkc

30th October 2010, 22:16

Perhaps a bi false flag will be unnecessary as long as people are locked in fear to the word "terrorist"
there is the magic of all this!
It worked!
* Whether terrorist based, or PTB based,
* Whether anything explodes or not,
* Even if no explosives were even used!
It worked!

Airwaves flooded with promises to "keep us safe".
A feat they can not deliver.
A job they were not asked to do, except by sheep.

Hobgobblins and boogiemen. (well it is All Hallows, right?)

Luckily I have had no call to get on a plane since 9/11.
I'm just dumb enough to insist on being treated like a customer, instead of a criminal.
Fred

Zook

31st October 2010, 01:55

actually, you disagree with style...
ever watched a debate when everyone agrees on a subject? It gets pretty boring so I myself enjoy your alternate points of view that keeps the conversations interesting...

Oh ... I didn't realize you were in it for the interesting conversation. Mea Culpa. Thought you wanted to clean up the mansion library a bit ... you know ... polish the facts and toss the fictions in the dustbin. Carry on.

:ohwell:

ps: You're correct. I do disagree with the style. But it's not my mansion.

Zook

31st October 2010, 01:59

* Whether terrorist based, or PTB based,

False dichotomy.

Celine

31st October 2010, 02:07

it would be nice to know how many Avalonians still believe in the myth that is Al Qaeda.

I do not believe anything mainstream media or any government tells me. All information distributed has an agenda. I would also put forward that majority of Avalonians feel the same way.

It worked!

It worked!

Fred

Yes sadly it has. But the one bright light..is we "know" it worked.

Oh ... I didn't realize you were in it for the interesting conversation. Mea Culpa.

Interesting conversations like these...in my opinions... is what has offered some of us "lab rats" the opurtunity to see outside the cage.

Truth is bastardized so much today. Discussions about truth become distractions, going around and around in circles...as my friend viking can attest to lol...

I love listening, watching intellegent , well informed people , debate the validity of this or that tid bit.

My pleasure in this does in no way demean the value of the conversation or the integrity of the context.

The library as you coined it, is getting a good dusting. There are some corners harder to reach then others tho

Zook

31st October 2010, 03:19

Hi Celine,

I do not believe anything mainstream media or any government tells me. All information distributed has an agenda. I would also put forward that majority of Avalonians feel the same way.

Well, that is welcome news (about majority of Avalonians). I would just add that while all distributed information has an agenda, only some can claim an association with truth. The intellectual part resides in associating one's agenda with the truth; and in the ongoing defense of truth upon association.

Yes sadly it has. But the one bright light..is we "know" it worked.

Excellent point.

Interesting conversations like these...in my opinions... is what has offered some of us "lab rats" the opurtunity to see outside the cage.

Truth is bastardized so much today. Discussions about truth become distractions, going around and around in circles...as my friend viking can attest to lol...

IMHO, the bastardization of truth is a call for intellectual sweat, not a reason to become overwhelmed and turn away. Purifying truth should never be viewed as a task or a detour into a pointless cul-de-sac. If we find ourselves pushed into a cul-de-sac, it is our moral obligation to locate a path to truth again. Even if that means spinning wheels until we locate it.

I love listening, watching intellegent , well informed people , debate the validity of this or that tid bit.

Likewise, Celine.

In this specific case, I'm talking about Al Qaeda now, the truth is beyond the debating stage. There is 100% certainty that Al Qaeda was created and funded by the western intelligence apparatus; and almost equal certainty that it continues to serve this apparatus today whenever the need arises. IMO, those who persist on debating things that reside outside the purview of debate, only expose themselves to be fools without an agenda (for better) or agents with an agenda (for worse). In both cases, they are tools in the duty of TPTB; tools that occlude the path of truth, wittingly or unwittingly.

My pleasure in this does in no way demean the value of the conversation or the integrity of the context.
The library as you coined it, is getting a good dusting. There are some corners harder to reach then others tho

I hope it's getting a good dusting. A fine tooth comb will be required, of course, for the corners. I have no falutin' pedigree that stops me from getting into the corners. Say the word, hand me the comb, and get outta the way. LOL.

:typing:

Ahkenaten

2nd November 2010, 01:45

but on the other hand odd how once again a "sniper" appears in the D.C. area around election-time, and yet another potential campus killer was spotted on the campus of A & M..................timing, as in all good drama, is key to influencing the mood and thoughts of the audience and keeping their rapt attention on the unfolding play

Ahkenaten

2nd November 2010, 01:48

And Mr Truthseeker, with all due respect, were you being serious about the Yemeni/Gulf of Aden Stargate thing?

Ahkenaten

2nd November 2010, 01:56

Maybe they are beta-testing the terrorism meme to see if it is played out...............then they can use information gathered to determine the roll-out of the new paradigm?????? Sure feels like it is played out to me. You can only yell WOLF or FIRE so many times with no result and people eventually become emotionally and intellectually numb to the intended result of evoking fear...........................well you can alwaus throw something "real" into the mixture like a small nuke or whatever, but at this point, with polls showing that a majority of New Yorkers, a cynical and suspicious lot, believed 911 was an inside job, I don't think even that would pass the credibility test.......................................time for the new paradigm. We shall see if it is, as has been predicted supposedly by Dr. Carole Rosin and Werner Von Braun, the threat of extraterrestrials and UFOS.

Rocky_Shorz

4th November 2010, 00:02

so after analysis of the electronics of the phones, they knew what they are doing...

by using a US handset, it wouldn't be recognized by the cell towers until it entered the airspace over the city...

They can launch 1000 phones at very little cost and know it will cost millions for us to scan packages to find them...

It would be cheaper to put a unit in every aircraft that would scan for cell frequencies which would allow easy tracing to the package...

The phone will keep on pinging until it is found or reaches a signal...

Rocky_Shorz

4th November 2010, 00:15

was the Yemen al Queda bombing plot uncovered thanks to one of our past guests at Guantanamo Bay?

confirmation just hit the wire...

story (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7273973.html)

Yemen: Al-Qaida insider told Saudis of bomb plot
By HAMZA HENDAWI and AHMED AL-HAJ Associated Press © 2010 The Associated Press
Nov. 1, 2010, 4:44PM

SAN'A, Yemen — Information that helped thwart the plot of U.S.-bound mail bombs wired to explode on cargo planes came from an al-Qaida insider who was secreted out of Yemen after surrendering to Saudi authorities, Yemeni security officials said Monday.

The tip reflects how Saudi Arabia has worked aggressively for years to infiltrate al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, which is operating in the unruly, impoverished nation on its southern doorstep.

The tip came from Jabir al-Fayfi, a Saudi who was held for years at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and was released to Saudi Arabia in 2007. Soon after, he fled Saudi Arabia and joined the al-Qaida affiliate in Yemen, until he turned himself in to Saudi authorities in late September.

Yemeni security officials said they believe al-Fayfi may have been a double agent, planted by Saudi Arabia in Yemen among al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula militants to uncover their plots. The officials said that after his return to the kingdom, he told authorities that al-Qaida was planning to send bomb-laden packages.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to the media. Tribal leaders in Yemen aware of the situation, and similarly speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed al-Fayfi's role. Saudi officials did not respond to calls for comment.

Saudi Arabia has been recruiting informants in the terrorist network and also has been paying Yemeni tribal chiefs — and even gives cash to figures in the Yemeni military — to gain their loyalty.

President Barack Obama thanked Saudi King Abdullah, a top U.S. ally, in a Saturday telephone call for the "critical role" by Saudi counterterrorism authorities in uncovering the plot. After the Saudi alert, two bombs hidden in packages mailed from Yemen and addressed to synagogues in Chicago were discovered Friday on planes transiting through Dubai and Britain.

Ibrahim Hassan al-Asiri, considered a key figure in al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, is the chief suspect behind assembling the sophisticated mail bombs, according to U.S. intelligence officials.

German officials said Monday the mail bombs contained 10.58 ounces (300 grams) and 15.11 ounces (400 grams) of the explosive PETN — enough to cause "significant" damage to the planes. By contrast, the explosives that failed to work last Christmas on a Detroit-bound airliner used 80 grams of PETN secreted in the underwear of a Nigerian passenger. Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula claimed responsibility for that.

Zook

4th November 2010, 02:39

confirmation just hit the wire...

story (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7273973.html)

Confirmation, sure ... but of what?

Informed, intelligent, sapient individuals know the real scoop behind 9/11/2001; Al CIAda; CIA rendition and torture; Guantanamo Bay and its prisoners - many of them being Afghan shepherds/farmers/bumpkins caught in the wrong place at the wrong time and seized for ransom; and of the rest, virtually none being guilty of any crime greater than working as a patsy for the western intelligence apparatus (google_gallop with the right keywords and you'll stumble on the money trail from this apparatus to the Taliban, the Northern Alliance, the arbakai tribal militias, etc.; etc. etc. ad infinitum ad nauseam, etc.

When the whole thing is being managed by the western intelligence apparatus, what makes you think that confirmation by decree of its tetralarynx (e.g. the common mainstream media of print, radio, TV, and internet) ... is something other than cheap theatre?

:typing:

SteveX

7th November 2010, 15:59

I have another theory :

The chairman of British Airways said very recently , 'What's with all this aiport security ? It's putting people off their hols, maybe we don't need it all and we can start thinking about relaxing the laws...' (i'm paraphrasing slightly)

To which Obama, yes Obama, said , ' What ?!!! It's because of you Limeys that we need security in the first place.. That shoe bomber for a kick-off' (paraphrasing again, pun intended)

Then hardly two days go by and we have ooh..'suspicious parcel force' in action again. Problem reaction solution... Yep.. of course we need security you dumb-dumbs... in fact, surely you need even more (so the black ops target cargo planes and we'll have further tightening of travel freedoms..not relaxations..

There. That'll teach you slimey-limeys to go wafting your opinions where they're not wanted...

Read this article and tell me I'm imagining things....

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/BUSINESS/10/27/uk.airline.security/

Couldn't agree more. Well actually I can. In the evening news following the BA chairman’s call for rationalising airport security, David Cameron was quoted as to agreeing with the chairman. He added that airport security will be maintained and the onus of such would be placed with the airlines to developed appropriate technology.

It would be a natural assumption to think that an agency like the CIA may have planted those bombs to change our government’s stance.

You know what would be funny? If some so called terrorist was found boarding a plane at say LAX or JFK, with a stick of dynamite up his arse. Before you know it, it would be customary to drop your trouser, bend over and expose your star spangled banner lol.

Ahkenaten

9th November 2010, 19:43

Yeah I said years ago that taking current "security" precautions to their logical extreme would ultimately lead to all airline passengers being forced to fly stark naked! Think of the spectacle...................that sure would cut down on all frivolous air travel. Many would feel to shy, reserved, appalled, or perverse to fly naked. It sure would put all these plotters and terrorists on edge! I can see the headlines now - HOMELAND SECURITY nabs suspect with box cutter hidden up ................. or, agents find pipe bomb secreted in ................. now how's that for deterrence?!