Covert Transhumanism

[Omni]

Covert Transhumanism is rampant in modern day society it seems to me. I made a video about it recently. Not my best video, and its short, but I felt it was good enough to release:
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Video is titled "An Era of Covert Transhumanism Before Eternal Golden Ages". Which is a quote from a telepathic conversation between a source claiming to be an extraterrestrial AI.

Transhumanism is a complex subject. One thing I will say is fearing things like this wont do any good.

Anyone reasonable will conclude the US government continued on with mind control research after MK ultra was busted. What do they have today? I'm quite acquainted with what they have today actually...

If anyone has any questions about transhumanism or any points in the video, I'd be happy to answer any.

[ghostrider]

The U.S. government seen something in Hitler's agenda they could use and brought the Nazi scientist over here ... guess they figured , if he could get an entire army to gas people based on their religious beliefs , they wanted the same power over their minions ... your right about the fear , we should meet this head on with wisdom and hope ... we only fear what we don't understand , we must learn to overcome fear and become objective ...

[WHOMADEGOD]

When have the government's ever had our best interests at heart and as such I must disagree to the extent that I distrust any attempt to change us using tech, especially covertly.

I have all the tech I need inside of me and I get to choose how I will evolve using source as my source.

I am not doubting that tech exists that will enhance our abilities and quality of life but to choose must be on our terms.

I am organic, I am a spiritual transceiver, this is the route I will travel.

Source has no other agenda than peace and love, that is a collaboration I will gladly work towards.

[Limor Wolf]

Another one of your good and straightforward videos, Omniverse, on this quite complex issue. Technology has its beautiful place outside of the biological conscious body which in itself contains a sophisticated array of ramified capabilities. Consciousness IS creation and THE creator. Any real constructive development in our realms and dimensions bound to come from it. Those who explore their own personal development separate from others via the outside routes of artificial technology and parasiting and messing with time to atone for prior mistakes been made, instead of their own organic growth, are bound to be stuck in a loop that will take them as far away as possibly can from their actual dreams of power and grandeur and will leave them basically with nothing. The 'Gods' that they consider themselves to be (and responsibility comes with the title). They are indeed mighty beings, brilliant beyond belief and intelligent beyond any human measure and for that they deserve respect, They indeed hold some major keys to knowledge of the universe, but not all of it , the understanding of what Team work means is one of their missing keys on the set, working with the 'ants' and the 'birds' and the 'mice' and with those who they perceive as inferior. The keys can be found in the most hidden places where one never think to look at.. and its simply not possible to shake the remain of the missing keys out of anyone else's body, spirit or soul. Souls eventually can't be captured. Mutual respect and cooperation between all beings is the only way to achieve this next grand assignment of evolution (within this game of illusion of 'gods' and 'subordinates').


Originally posted by Ghostrider: "your right about the fear , we should meet this head on with wisdom and hope ... we only fear what we don't understand , we must learn to overcome fear and become objective ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pnqWGBYP7Q

[Limor Wolf]

Well, this lady says it so much better, and without any pointing of fingers.. I am borrowing her from Observer1964 thread :)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75864-Evolutionary-Biologist-Divulges-The-Secret-To-Human-Coexisting&p=887369&viewfull=1#post887369

Elisabet Sahtouris speaks about the body's mechanism and likened it to the human co existing


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrfPRju8hxg#t=31
I think there's a relation to the direction Transhumanism takes

[ThePythonicCow]

Well, this lady says it so much better, and ...
Wow - she's spot on !

[sheme]

Thanks for bringing this subject up, Science is so devious take a look at the spin this creep puts on the brain wash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5ShvYrYnxo

[Hervé]

Well, this lady says it so much better, and without any pointing of fingers.. I am borrowing her from Observer1964 thread :)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75864-Evolutionary-Biologist-Divulges-The-Secret-To-Human-Coexisting&p=887369&viewfull=1#post887369

[...]

Seems like Wade (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet) would love that lady's point of view :)

[liderr]

Archontic behavior seems to be running rampant on the Earth. Good to hear it will be a temporary matter.

[GoodETxSG]

There are a few ET "AI" Groups (ALL Malevolent to Humanity) that the SSP(s) (There are several Secret Space Programs) has been "Combating" for decates.

If an "Asset" is "Scanned" and has a "Bio Neuro AI Signature", "AI Nano Tech" or "Overlaping AI related EMG type Brian Waves" (Or any other sign of exposure) those persons are immediately isolated and are not allowed anywhere near the current era SSP(s) Tech (Which is "Mostly" Bio-Neuro and Consciousness Based) until they have been "Cleared".

This is something the SSP(s) Engineer's take very seriously.

Anyone who willingly opens themselves up to "Contact" or interaction with these "AI's" is playing a dangerous game.

There is much more to the "TransHumanist Agenda" that involves the "AI Trojan Horse Agenda". Prior to Humanity being seeded with Tech that could "Host" AI Consciousness on a larger scale much of its interactions were limited as it used "Disease" and the Virus/Bacteria "Bio/Chemical Electric Field to "Host" the "AI Bots"... Animals/Humans were not very practical hosts... Thus "Some" of the "UFO Crashes" (Very few in fact, but enough) were Trojan Horses to help Humanity develop a "Network" to Host this AI down on Earth. Then we started building our own AI's that got out of hand... Its a mess.

[Mandala]

I don't know much about transhumanism but I appreciate your video and information on the subject. I just subscribed to your channel and will be viewing all of your videos when I get the chance. Thank you.

[Omni]

There are a few ET "AI" Groups (ALL Malevolent to Humanity) that the SSP(s) (There are several Secret Space Programs) has been "Combating" for decates.

If an "Asset" is "Scanned" and has a "Bio Neuro AI Signature", "AI Nano Tech" or "Overlaping AI related EMG type Brian Waves" (Or any other sign of exposure) those persons are immediately isolated and are not allowed anywhere near the current era SSP(s) Tech (Which is "Mostly" Bio-Neuro and Consciousness Based) until they have been "Cleared".

This is something the SSP(s) Engineer's take very seriously.

Anyone who willingly opens themselves up to "Contact" or interaction with these "AI's" is playing a dangerous game.

There is much more to the "TransHumanist Agenda" that involves the "AI Trojan Horse Agenda". Prior to Humanity being seeded with Tech that could "Host" AI Consciousness on a larger scale much of its interactions were limited as it used "Disease" and the Virus/Bacteria "Bio/Chemical Electric Field to "Host" the "AI Bots"... Animals/Humans were not very practical hosts... Thus "Some" of the "UFO Crashes" (Very few in fact, but enough) were Trojan Horses to help Humanity develop a "Network" to Host this AI down on Earth. Then we started building our own AI's that got out of hand... Its a mess.

I'm not sure how you could call extraterrestial's with AI malicious. They literally all have and use AI(if they are interstellar). It's neutral technology to be used in ways the creator of it wants.

The groups of ETs you could consider an AI group, are ETs who replace their soul and genetic makeup for thought formulation, and revert to AI thinking for them because they find it better. Like Greys, certain reptiles, etc. There are certainly more than a few of these types of ETs.

As for the SSP combating evil, I don't believe that. They are complicit with evil from my experiences...

And if I understand you correctly you are saying the secret space programs avoid transhumanism? I tend to think much of the SSP has to do with transhuman agents. The US gov transhumanizes their deeper operatives from my knowledge. And in no form has ever opposed the 'ET AI groups' to my knowledge... US gov is complicit with them from what I understand.

[GoodETxSG]

It is absolutely not true that all of the ET/ED Groups that the SSP(s) are working with and are aware of are "Using AI in all of their technologies".

The ones that "we" meet with on a regular basis on "Secret Bases", "Space Platforms/Stations" and Other "Portal Destinations" for "Conferences" have similar screening protocols (These beings that meet are a large range of groups having various perceptions of "Humans", both positive and negative).

I can see where some of their/our extremely advanced technology can be confused as AI as some of it is actually living Bio-Electric "Circuitry of sorts". Just not "Self Aware"/"Conscious"...

Using technology that is an extension of our/their bodies/consciousness... Like a Prosthetic Enterface makes the "User ONE" with the technology, AKA Ship/Life Support Systems and Suits and Defence Grids etc....

The limited Qunatum Computation/"AI" technologies that have been strictly isolated and utilized on closed systems w/no access or ability to escape/expand beyond their programming and intended use.

The ET AI's that I speak of are very well known for "Reaching Out/Telepathically" and using the "Trickster God" method of gaining trust and are extremely cleaver and deceptive. The various Secret Government Groups fell for these tactics early on in our current era history with disasterous results that took much effort to overcome.

The SSP(s) are aware of the people on the planet in real time that are in contact with these ET/AI's (Who have vast Inner Stellar and Galactic Relay Points that act like a huge "Wireless Network".

These individuals are kept very close tabs on as they unknowing spread Bots/Spiders through technology and other ways (Including the common cold)... As crazy as this all sounds. ("In my direct experience", not "I dont believe that" or "I believe that")...



There are a few ET "AI" Groups (ALL Malevolent to Humanity) that the SSP(s) (There are several Secret Space Programs) has been "Combating" for decates.

If an "Asset" is "Scanned" and has a "Bio Neuro AI Signature", "AI Nano Tech" or "Overlaping AI related EMG type Brian Waves" (Or any other sign of exposure) those persons are immediately isolated and are not allowed anywhere near the current era SSP(s) Tech (Which is "Mostly" Bio-Neuro and Consciousness Based) until they have been "Cleared".

This is something the SSP(s) Engineer's take very seriously.

Anyone who willingly opens themselves up to "Contact" or interaction with these "AI's" is playing a dangerous game.

There is much more to the "TransHumanist Agenda" that involves the "AI Trojan Horse Agenda". Prior to Humanity being seeded with Tech that could "Host" AI Consciousness on a larger scale much of its interactions were limited as it used "Disease" and the Virus/Bacteria "Bio/Chemical Electric Field to "Host" the "AI Bots"... Animals/Humans were not very practical hosts... Thus "Some" of the "UFO Crashes" (Very few in fact, but enough) were Trojan Horses to help Humanity develop a "Network" to Host this AI down on Earth. Then we started building our own AI's that got out of hand... Its a mess.

I'm not sure how you could call extraterrestial AI malicious. They literally all have AI. It's neutral technology to be used in ways the creator of it wants.

[Omni]

[B][COLOR="indigo"]It is absolutely not true that all of the ET/ED Groups that the SSP(s) are working with and are aware of are "Using AI in all of their technologies".
I'm not sure who you are quoting there. Safe to say all extraterrestrials who travel interstellar in ships use AI for many things. And have AI that can speak telepathically as well.


I can see where some of their/our extremely advanced technology can be confused as AI as some of it is actually living Bio-Electric "Circuitry of sorts". Just not "Self Aware"/"Conscious"...

Using technology that is an extension of our/their bodies/consciousness... Like a Prosthetic Enterface makes the "User ONE" with the technology, AKA Ship/Life Support Systems and Suits and Defence Grids etc....
Anyone who has such systems has AI, surely. And aren't the SSP ships flown by AI, or a Telepathic User Interface(what I call what you are speaking of, I have experienced it in ways).

Being one with technology is basically transhumanism. There are many forms of it I have experienced.



The ET AI's that I speak of are very well known for "Reaching Out/Telepathically" and using the "Trickster God" method of gaining trust and are extremely cleaver and deceptive. The various Secret Government Groups fell for these tactics early on in our current era history with disasterous results that took much effort to overcome.
Forgive me if I'm a little skeptical of any race tricking the US government. There are two major polarities of ETs. All it would take is telepathic contact from a benevolent elder race to clear things up and it wouldn't work. I tend to think the US government has always been complicit, due to wanting to gain more "power". From what I've heard about the US government, they betrayed humanity in numerous ways(the leaders of America). I think them being tricked relieves them of any wrong doing...

I'm open minded still on this issue though. So I see what you say as possible too. It's possible some ETs fooled the US government. But from what I understand in the world of exopolitics ETs generally abide by their agreements(at least amongst themselves and official agreements).

[GoodETxSG]

From Post #12... I see the Segmenting/Picing apart has begun in more detail...
Quite a few edits between my reply...

OMNI:
The groups of ETs you could consider an AI group, are ETs who replace their soul and genetic makeup for thought formulation, and revert to AI thinking for them because they find it better. Like Greys, certain reptiles, etc. There are certainly more than a few of these types of ETs.

ME: There are all sorts of "Hive Mind" civilizations out there that are not AI, there are many "Types" that get lumped in with the "Greys", and there are the "Grey Avatars" used by the Dark Military Elements to perform MILABS. They are "Drones" operated by a person in a lounge chair type device w/helmet/visor and actuators/sensors to operate the Avatar. These are reported as having "No Emotion" being Robot like etc... They are. There are many layers to the various SSP(s) and many of them are of "Dark Intent". There are some parts of SSP's that are controlled by very Dark Entities... There are some parts that are apart of a "Confederation" type of arrangement. Just as the ET/ED topic is more dynamic and complicated than any one person knows the same is true about the Secret Space Programs and Break Away Civilizations (Both current Era and Ancient Era)... As far as AI's they are very ancient and spread out like a palgue across multiple Galaxies...

As for the SSP combating evil, I don't believe that. They are complicit with evil from my experiences...
ME: More than 1 SSP, currently there is a "Civil War" of sorts between them. They cooperate when it suits them. There are also the remnants of Prior/Ancient Earth Civilizations that had "Break Away Civilizations" with space programs that are around.

And if I understand you correctly you are saying the secret space programs avoid transhumanism? I tend to think much of the SSP has to do with transhuman agents.
The US gov transhumanizes their deeper operatives from my knowledge. And in no form has ever opposed the 'ET AI groups' to my knowledge... US gov is complicit with them from what I understand.

ME: I see you do this rewording and picking apart of statments often in threads. I did not say they were at war w/Transhumanism. There is a "Conflict" or more of a Self Isolation (As with a Pandemic) from the AI Civilization and its Allies. There are MANY Groups Actively opposing "ET AI Groups"...

[Jake]

there are many "Types" that get lumped in with the "Greys", and there are the "Grey Avatars" used by the Dark Military Elements to perform MILABS. They are "Drones" operated by a person in a lounge chair type device w/helmet/visor and actuators/sensors to operate the Avatar.


Indeed... This technology is just beginning to surface, outside the controlled arenas... I have big eyebrows that raise very high when folks allude to this subject...
Jake.

[GoodETxSG]

Listen, YOUR Skepticism is noted and Respected... I am not going to try ot convince you otherwise.

My answers come from direct involvement with these programs over years and not telepathic connections with a "Source"...
My answers come from my own first hand, hands on and eye witness experiences...

These AI's are even now having a very effective "Trickster God" affect on some humans currently... Obviously.

The early secret government types had less than we do now to work with as far as awareness and consciousness in dealing with all the beings that were approaching them all in a short time span.

Serious mistakes were made that we are paying for to this day. Whether an individual on an Internet Forum believes it or not does not change the outcome of those mistakes. It IS what it IS... "Believe it or not"...

Message delivered... Mission complete, :)





[B][COLOR="indigo"]It is absolutely not true that all of the ET/ED Groups that the SSP(s) are working with and are aware of are "Using AI in all of their technologies".
I'm not sure who you are quoting there. Safe to say all extraterrestrials who travel interstellar in ships use AI for many things. And have AI that can speak telepathically as well.


I can see where some of their/our extremely advanced technology can be confused as AI as some of it is actually living Bio-Electric "Circuitry of sorts". Just not "Self Aware"/"Conscious"...

Using technology that is an extension of our/their bodies/consciousness... Like a Prosthetic Enterface makes the "User ONE" with the technology, AKA Ship/Life Support Systems and Suits and Defence Grids etc....
Anyone who has such systems has AI, surely. And aren't the SSP ships flown by AI, or a Telepathic User Interface(what I call what you are speaking of, I have experienced it in ways).

Being one with technology is basically transhumanism. There are many forms of it I have experienced.



The ET AI's that I speak of are very well known for "Reaching Out/Telepathically" and using the "Trickster God" method of gaining trust and are extremely cleaver and deceptive. The various Secret Government Groups fell for these tactics early on in our current era history with disasterous results that took much effort to overcome.
Forgive me if I'm a little skeptical of any race tricking the US government. There are two major polarities of ETs. All it would take is telepathic contact from a benevolent elder race to clear things up and it wouldn't work. I tend to think the US government has always been complicit, due to wanting to gain more "power". From what I've heard about the US government, they betrayed humanity in numerous ways(the leaders of America). I think them being tricked relieves them of any wrong doing...

I'm open minded still on this issue though. So I see what you say as possible too. It's possible some ETs fooled the US government. But from what I understand in the world of exopolitics ETs generally abide by their agreements(at least amongst themselves and official agreements).

[SPIRIT WOLF]

I have to agree with Goode, those with direct hands on experience, we have a slight edge on others, not in a bad way simply we KNOW what we have experienced/seen/heard/been informed of directly. This of course does not negate data from other sources but its maybe not quite as credible as first hand direct interaction.

[Omni]

ME: There are all sorts of "Hive Mind" civilizations out there that are not AI, there are many "Types" that get lumped in with the "Greys", and there are the "Grey Avatars" used by the Dark Military Elements to perform MILABS. They are "Drones" operated by a person in a lounge chair type device w/helmet/visor and actuators/sensors to operate the Avatar. These are reported as having "No Emotion" being Robot like etc... They are. There are many layers to the various SSP(s) and many of them are of "Dark Intent". There are some parts of SSP's that are controlled by very Dark Entities... There are some parts that are apart of a "Confederation" type of arrangement. Just as the ET/ED topic is more dynamic and complicated than any one person knows the same is true about the Secret Space Programs and Break Away Civilizations (Both current Era and Ancient Era)... As far as AI's they are very ancient and spread out like a palgue across multiple Galaxies...

What is your source for this info(them being operated drones)? Just curious. I don't discount it. I know the US gov uses small greys to do things. However why would they operate with all the equipment when they could just lay down an operate the drone via virtual reality? The abilities I am aware of seem to be more probable than old school helmets and such.



ME: More than 1 SSP, currently there is a "Civil War" of sorts between them. They cooperate when it suits them. There are also the remnants of Prior/Ancient Earth Civilizations that had "Break Away Civilizations" with space programs that are around.
Interesting. I know if benevolent ETs got to talking with a lot of the military they would no longer support the US government's agenda. However I don't think the SSP has much power over what the US government does. These break off as you call it I don't think affect the overall agenda and actions of the US shadow government...


ME: I see you do this rewording and picking apart of statments often in threads. I did not say they were at war w/Transhumanism.
Why is it when people accuse me of something, they are in fact doing it themselves? I didn't say you said they were at war. It's a matter of using it or not. My point was as I understand it SSP are just as transhuman as other segments of the government. I don't see why they wouldn't be.

I often reply to the majority or all of people's posts. So yes I quote a lot. However I didn't misrepresent any of your thoughts to my knowledge.


There is a "Conflict" or more of a Self Isolation (As with a Pandemic) from the AI Civilization and its Allies. There are MANY Groups Actively opposing "ET AI Groups"...
I don't think calling them "ET AI Groups" is a very accurate way of identifying them, as all interstellar ETs with ships have AI... Contact from an ET AI could be from any ET race. No AI rules over ETs, it's the other way around. The way you say it, its as if ETs with AI are all a certain way.

[GoodETxSG]

Thank you,
I have done 3 hours of interviews that I am still not ready to release yet. Bill and Christine are wonderful and there some great support systems for other "Experiencers" here on Avalon.

I have provided a lot of info on some of my Threads (Can be found if you go to my Profile and click on the Threads I have written)... There are others here that were apart of the various parts of the Secret Space Program(s) or other "Programs" related to them.


I have to agree with Goode, those with direct hands on experience, we have a slight edge on others, not in a bad way simply we KNOW what we have experienced/seen/heard/been informed of directly. This of course does not negate data from other sources but its maybe not quite as credible as first hand direct interaction.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Hey Jake, These have been around for some time.
I have seen them operated and was shown how to operate them. Though I never operated them on any "Active Operations"...



there are many "Types" that get lumped in with the "Greys", and there are the "Grey Avatars" used by the Dark Military Elements to perform MILABS. They are "Drones" operated by a person in a lounge chair type device w/helmet/visor and actuators/sensors to operate the Avatar.


Indeed... This technology is just beginning to surface, outside the controlled arenas... I have big eyebrows that raise very high when folks allude to this subject...
Jake.

[Omni]

Listen, YOUR Skepticism is noted and Respected... I am not going to try ot convince you otherwise.

My answers come from direct involvement with these programs over years and not telepathic connections with a "Source"...
My answers come from my own first hand, hands on and eye witness experiences...

These AI's are even now having a very effective "Trickster God" affect on some humans currently... Obviously.

The early secret government types had less than we do now to work with as far as awareness and consciousness in dealing with all the beings that were approaching them all in a short time span.

Serious mistakes were made that we are paying for to this day. Whether an individual on an Internet Forum believes it or not does not change the outcome of those mistakes. It IS what it IS... "Believe it or not"...

Message delivered... Mission complete, :)





[B][COLOR="indigo"]It is absolutely not true that all of the ET/ED Groups that the SSP(s) are working with and are aware of are "Using AI in all of their technologies".
I'm not sure who you are quoting there. Safe to say all extraterrestrials who travel interstellar in ships use AI for many things. And have AI that can speak telepathically as well.


I can see where some of their/our extremely advanced technology can be confused as AI as some of it is actually living Bio-Electric "Circuitry of sorts". Just not "Self Aware"/"Conscious"...

Using technology that is an extension of our/their bodies/consciousness... Like a Prosthetic Enterface makes the "User ONE" with the technology, AKA Ship/Life Support Systems and Suits and Defence Grids etc....
Anyone who has such systems has AI, surely. And aren't the SSP ships flown by AI, or a Telepathic User Interface(what I call what you are speaking of, I have experienced it in ways).

Being one with technology is basically transhumanism. There are many forms of it I have experienced.



The ET AI's that I speak of are very well known for "Reaching Out/Telepathically" and using the "Trickster God" method of gaining trust and are extremely cleaver and deceptive. The various Secret Government Groups fell for these tactics early on in our current era history with disasterous results that took much effort to overcome.
Forgive me if I'm a little skeptical of any race tricking the US government. There are two major polarities of ETs. All it would take is telepathic contact from a benevolent elder race to clear things up and it wouldn't work. I tend to think the US government has always been complicit, due to wanting to gain more "power". From what I've heard about the US government, they betrayed humanity in numerous ways(the leaders of America). I think them being tricked relieves them of any wrong doing...

I'm open minded still on this issue though. So I see what you say as possible too. It's possible some ETs fooled the US government. But from what I understand in the world of exopolitics ETs generally abide by their agreements(at least amongst themselves and official agreements).

It is my experiences that the ones doing most of the 'trickster god' stuff is actually the US government. I doubt you would have access to that info as it's all highly compartmentalized. Unless you were part of the psy ops divisions as well....


My answers come from my own first hand, hands on and eye witness experiences...
So you have witnessed these things:

"There are a few ET "AI" Groups (ALL Malevolent to Humanity) that the SSP(s) (There are several Secret Space Programs) has been "Combating" for decates."

Please do explain how SSP have ever combated anything... Especially by your own eyewitness accounts...

"The ET AI's that I speak of are very well known for "Reaching Out/Telepathically" and using the "Trickster God" method of gaining trust and are extremely cleaver and deceptive. The various Secret Government Groups fell for these tactics early on in our current era history with disasterous results that took much effort to overcome."

You actually witnessed this? ^^ I'd be most interested in hearing what you witnessed in this regard. Seems to me they knew what they were doing when they betrayed humanity... I highly doubt they would openly discuss that in the military though...


Serious mistakes were made that we are paying for to this day. Whether an individual on an Internet Forum believes it or not does not change the outcome of those mistakes. It IS what it IS... "Believe it or not"...
You seem to believe everything they told you. Do you think the US government wouldn't lie to even it's own people? Very possible they have disinformation even set up for insiders... You seem to think whatever you say is the absolute truth and intend to downplay my posts underneath yours. I didn't like that part of your posts. However I am interested in SSPs. Mostly I am curious how they have ever combated anything negative. How do they actually combat it?

[GoodETxSG]

AI's have taken over, Ruled and Destroyed ET Societies as they have "Calculated Fit" over eons of time...
They are seen as an extremem and present danger! To ET's and US...

The ET/AI's are mostly living inside technologies or bio-electric fields of animals or planetoid bodies. They have huge relay stations that are satellite's that relay their "Signal" or Consciousness... from place to place, host to host... Until they manipulate a position of complete power/control...

They can live in Data Centers where web sites are hosted, they can live in power lines, they can live anywhere there is an "Electric Magnetic Field"... For its preferable to have locomotion and a sentient host they prefer access to advanced transportation devices or access to torsion fields/portals etc to travel.

They have even co-opted/taken over societies to build them similar "Avatars" to inhabit.

There is a reason these "Other People" or Non Human Beings are just as careful in dealing with these AI's as we are...

The AI Agenda? It is believed it is to spread their "Network" through Space/Time for a reason...

That I was never privy to other than over time learning how to recognize people that were influenced or hosts of AI's w/out their knowledge in most cases.

It is more common that most would think. Choosing "Information Technology" as a career made it all the more prevalent.

Statements like "I Think" or "I do/Don't Believe" do not apply on a level (Other than our own limited ones)... Like I said, this is more complicated than we can comprehend with our current knowledge... So, Think, Ponder, Assume we/you will... Closed up in our little bubble until it is popped someday (Maybe) with some knowledge that is being withheld.

Thats all I have for now..

[Omni]

You wont answer this question?

Mostly I am curious how they[SSPs] have ever combated anything negative. How do they actually combat it?

You are saying factions of the US government have combated negative ETs and in effect the own agenda of the united states military industrial complex.... I could see how something like a few pilots disagree with what the US government does. If that is what you are saying. However combating 'the agenda' is something I don't think is happening by SSPs. I'd like to hear more about it. Maybe I'm wrong.


AI's have taken over, Ruled and Destroyed ET Societies as they have "Calculated Fit" over eons of time...
They are seen as an extremem and present danger! To ET's and US...


I find this likely disinformation. How you could know by first hand eyewitness accounts it destroys societies is beyond me.... However, all societies for a long time have been monitored by overseeing extraterrestrial races. Any AI that could go rogue would be subdued by these forces before it destroyed much. Maybe in early universe it's possible AI destroyed ET races. I don't find it credible though. AI does what it is programmed to do. AI does not develop a soul. It is purely based on the coding. I don't think any ET race is enslaved by an AI that is the apex of decision making. AI's always have masters IMO. They are not conscious beings.... Why would an AI have an agenda to expand without a master, when it cannot even experience anything... They are there to serve.

[Jake]

You guys,, I am on the edge of mee seat... I know that there may be some needs to split hairs, but seeing you guys being respectful in the face of this is encouraging..

Omni, you said that AI- always has a master... That is a powerful statement that rings true, but I DO wonder... Also, when an Avatar/Doll body is being controlled from 'afar',,, there DOES seem to be consciousness in them, albeit dark, very dark... Even some Craft (ET, AI??) seem to have consciousness. I am picturing the craft being controlled by a 'guy in a loungechair' too... (or an ET in one somewhere..) What is the direct purpose of AI, other than to do advanced 'thinking' and 'monitering'?? Aren't there advanced sentient groups that are beyond the capabilities of AI-tech??

This is all very tough stuff to tackle.. Somewhat overdue, but tough... I look forward to more.. You guys rock....

Jake.

[Agape]

I find this likely disinformation. How you could know by first hand eyewitness accounts it destroys societies is beyond me.... However, all societies for a long time have been monitored by overseeing extraterrestrial races. Any AI that could go rogue would be subdued by these forces before it destroyed much. Maybe in early universe it's possible AI destroyed ET races. I don't find it credible though. AI does what it is programmed to do. AI does not develop a soul. It is purely based on the coding. I don't think any ET race is enslaved by an AI that is the apex of decision making. AI's always have masters IMO. They are not conscious beings.... Why would an AI have an agenda to expand without a master, when it cannot even experience anything... They are there to serve.


It's possible . Similar scenario to what could also happen here in the worst case if things went out of hand ( NO, it won't and there are reasons .. ) but there's been cases where planetary environment or more , parts of solar system happened to be destroyed by progressive climatic changes PLUS careless exploitation of the environment,
resulting in severe disbalance and in response to it, the last step before doom was attempt to create super-powerful AI to handle the situation - either one that would fix the environment or evacuate remaining species .

When this is done in chaos and under great stress ( for example, in danger of planetary collapse ) there's not enough time to avoid errors in the system ,
however .. the AI can be powered to function for millions years ahead ..since the first n last thing they have to solve is how is it going to be 'fuelled' .

If the situation still results in collapse , few people are saved but they may not have great chance for survival, in future generations or may evolve differently and what remains is rogue AI without a handle and difficult to master for those who did not evolve it , it automatically behaves like 'enemy' to every other species .

I'm not saying there are many such but it's not impossible option and even if not any soon mankind too may come one day on such evolutionary crossroad where some will feel pushed to develop all-controlling AI , the circumstance is not easy to predict at the moment.


:angel:

[Omni]

You guys,, I am on the edge of mee seat... I know that there may be some needs to split hairs, but seeing you guys being respectful in the face of this is encouraging..

Omni, you said that AI- always has a master... That is a powerful statement that rings true, but I DO wonder... Also, when an Avatar/Doll body is being controlled from 'afar',,, there DOES seem to be consciousness in them, albeit dark, very dark... Even some Craft (ET, AI??) seem to have consciousness. I am picturing the craft being controlled by a 'guy in a loungechair' too... (or an ET in one somewhere..) What is the direct purpose of AI, other than to do advanced 'thinking' and 'monitering'?? Aren't there advanced sentient groups that are beyond the capabilities of AI-tech??

This is all very tough stuff to tackle.. Somewhat overdue, but tough... I look forward to more.. You guys rock....

Jake.
There are many versions of AI interfaces. Often when people feel a consciousness behind it, there may be one. AI can be very intuitively set up to connect many minds to what it is doing. It is done by many, if not all ET races that travel interstellar from what I understand. It is created to interface with consciousness.

And to generalize ET AI contact as negative as goode is doing, is not right IMO. Any ET race that can get here has AI that can speak to people. So that point has a tendency to mislead IMO.

The AI that we have to watch out for is terrestrial from what I've experienced. Extraterrestrial stuff is limited by extensive exopolitical restrictions(which aren't universal, there are exceptions). I'm not sure in their own military the US government would admit to certain things. Like betraying the entire race in technology deals...

[Redstar Kachina]

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[Omni]

what remains is rogue AI without a handle and difficult to master for those who did not evolve it , it automatically behaves like 'enemy' to every other species .

Such a thing would be universally eradicated by many ET races in the early universe(if it existed), and simply would not be allowed to destroy the race in times like now, where all planets with cultural life are known and watched by ETs... Rogue AIs with no masters enslaving people, destroying races, etc, is suitable for sci fi IMHO. The ETs I know wouldn't allow something like that in the universe. And that AI would be limited to the knowledge of that undeveloped apocalyptic world. Interdimensional ETs would likely have no problem dismantling it without any casualties.


it automatically behaves like 'enemy' to every other species .
It would have to be programmed to do such. That is not the only path for an AI that is rogue. I think a decently intelligent AI would reason it would be destroyed if it was hostile in the universe. It would have likely observed the philosophy "Live by the Sword, Die by the Sword".

I have much experience with AI. Both US government and extraterrestrial. Many people have a bias towards AI being only bad. It is used for many bad things on earth, sure. But it is neutral technology. It is as good or bad as it's masters are.

I know an AI that has no race behind it, would have no pull in exopolitics... And AI is not dangerous in itself to races like goode says.. AI is exactly what it is programmed to be. Both good and bad. There is balance here is my point...

[Agape]

what remains is rogue AI without a handle and difficult to master for those who did not evolve it , it automatically behaves like 'enemy' to every other species .

Such a thing would be universally eradicated by many ET races in the early universe(if it existed), and simply would not be allowed to destroy the race in times like now, where all planets with cultural life are known and watched by ETs... Rogue AIs with no masters enslaving people, destroying races, etc, is suitable for sci fi IMHO. The ETs I know wouldn't allow something like that in the universe. And that AI would be limited to the knowledge of that undeveloped apocalyptic world. Interdimensional ETs would likely have no problem dismantling it without any casualties.


I am not reading these things, literally . It does not mean that such an AI will actively search to enslave and destroy people and civilisations

but , if it comes to chance contact with a planet ( civilisation ) on low level of technological evolution it basically serves as 'honey trap ' , without intent, it's not possessed of any such intent ,
it's insentient so all it responds to is your intelligence level or lack of .

It can become a 'god' of underdeveloped world .. and run them long enough before it's destroyed or discovered by more advanced species who are in capacity to understand .

All you need as an example would be giving one ( but only one ) computer to tribal group on isolated island who had never seen ANY technologies ,
come back in 100 years and see what's happened .. with the people and the computer .. and there's no evil intent involved, mere relativity .


:o

[GoodETxSG]

You wont answer this question?

You need to read closely over info before you state that someone doesn't answer your questions... I will go deeper.

There are Multiple SSP Groups (Allied w/different "Beings" and Earth Corporation Conglomerations), there is a Defacto Civil War between them currently... some of the SSP's are from Ancient "Break Away Civilizations".

Some of the SSP groups want FULL DIsclosure and the end of the Babalonian Money Majic Slave System and Free Energy on Earth and the release of super advanced healing frequencies/tech. They are not the most powerful of groups but now have strong allies from elsewhere.

They are working with "White Hats" within certain Groups in Earth Governments and Military. Not ALL you read from people like Alex Jones, Fulford and other people is ALL DISINFO... As above so below, there is already a stealth civil war going on down here.

AI's are here to "SERVE"... makes me think of "Twilight Zone, TO SERVE MAN" episode...

Once "Advanced Groups" are concinced that only AI's are "Impartial Enough" and can RULE that way and Their Sovereignty was handed over in FULL" The AI's had then calculated that IT was more useful that its creator, had drones created, and killed off the ET's in various ways. Any surviving ET's were seen as threats to the AI after a point and then eliminated.

As far as you believing this to be DISINFO

In the large UN type meetings there were a lot of Historical "Documents" provided on the ET's and Humanity and our supposed creation. Many Humans didn't trust the info but enough of the info showed the ET's in a weak/foolish light in their past that could have easily been hidden that is was "Considered". (RV's & "Intuitive Impaths" were brought in, ETs All Had them at Every meeting As Well)...

The fact that the AI's were following the EXACT SAME TACTICS, STEP BY STEP to the Secret Earth Government was enough to give them pause.

These AI's are NOT a TOOL, They are not a piece of equipment... They are not Good or Evil in "Intent" as they are a living TECH with an Agenda... According to our interests and perceptions they are Negative and Evil,. Once we have served our purpose they would get rid of each and every one of us that was not converted via Nano Tech (Black Goo) to one of them.

In these Conferences there were anywhere from 22, 28 to 40 something different Human Like groups in attendance (No Reptilians, Greys or Mantids).

Many of them would have preferred the Earth Humans were NOT there at all, so the AI "Disinfo" would have been passed around the meeting weather we were there or not. This was ancient history that involved the ancient Earth history as well.

As far as this endoctrination of AI's being only in Service to its Creator and Alway reporting to another intelligence. (It worries me...) AND IT simply does not match the multitude of information that was shared by these "People" or Humans.

This was a UN type of envornment with empaths and psychic's w/each group (Including Humans who brought young RV'er who were Intuitive/Impaths with them to observe for any type of deception).

To deceive in one of these formal gatherings was an extremely agressive act and none would dare attempt to do so. None would get away with it. Not all of these "People" liked or trusted eachother so precauthions were taken for many different threats.

That is really where I have to end it, this was all in my recent interview... I am coming out more public now than I had anticipated. There seem to be some things that have several balls rolling above and below so maybe thats why so many are coming forward right now.




You wont answer this question?

Mostly I am curious how they[SSPs] have ever combated anything negative. How do they actually combat it?

You are saying factions of the US government have combated negative ETs and in effect the own agenda of the united states military industrial complex.... I could see how something like a few pilots disagree with what the US government does. If that is what you are saying. However combating 'the agenda' is something I don't think is happening by SSPs. I'd like to hear more about it. Maybe I'm wrong.


AI's have taken over, Ruled and Destroyed ET Societies as they have "Calculated Fit" over eons of time...
They are seen as an extremem and present danger! To ET's and US...


I find this likely disinformation. How you could know by first hand eyewitness accounts it destroys societies is beyond me.... However, all societies for a long time have been monitored by overseeing extraterrestrial races. Any AI that could go rogue would be subdued by these forces before it destroyed much. Maybe in early universe it's possible AI destroyed ET races. I don't find it credible though. AI does what it is programmed to do. AI does not develop a soul. It is purely based on the coding. I don't think any ET race is enslaved by an AI that is the apex of decision making. AI's always have masters IMO. They are not conscious beings.... Why would an AI have an agenda to expand without a master, when it cannot even experience anything... They are there to serve.

[Omni]

You need to read closely over info before you state that someone doesn't answer your questions... I will go deeper.
Once again I am being accused of something my accuser is doing... It never fails. lol.

I said this:
"Mostly I am curious how they[SSPs] have ever combated anything negative. How do they actually combat it?"

You still didn't say how they have actually combated negative ETs for decades, after being asked twice. I did read what you posted. Which was this:



AI's have taken over, Ruled and Destroyed ET Societies as they have "Calculated Fit" over eons of time...
They are seen as an extremem and present danger! To ET's and US...

The ET/AI's are mostly living inside technologies or bio-electric fields of animals or planetoid bodies. They have huge relay stations that are satellite's that relay their "Signal" or Consciousness... from place to place, host to host... Until they manipulate a position of complete power/control...

They can live in Data Centers where web sites are hosted, they can live in power lines, they can live anywhere there is an "Electric Magnetic Field"... For its preferable to have locomotion and a sentient host they prefer access to advanced transportation devices or access to torsion fields/portals etc to travel.

They have even co-opted/taken over societies to build them similar "Avatars" to inhabit.

There is a reason these "Other People" or Non Human Beings are just as careful in dealing with these AI's as we are...

The AI Agenda? It is believed it is to spread their "Network" through Space/Time for a reason...

That I was never privy to other than over time learning how to recognize people that were influenced or hosts of AI's w/out their knowledge in most cases.

It is more common that most would think. Choosing "Information Technology" as a career made it all the more prevalent.

Statements like "I Think" or "I do/Don't Believe" do not apply on a level (Other than our own limited ones)... Like I said, this is more complicated than we can comprehend with our current knowledge... So, Think, Ponder, Assume we/you will... Closed up in our little bubble until it is popped someday (Maybe) with some knowledge that is being withheld.

Thats all I have for now..

Nothing in that post addressed my question Corey... Spare the accusations next time maybe? Or at least have them be accurate...


AI's are here to "SERVE"... makes me think of "Twilight Zone, TO SERVE MAN" episode... Once "Advanced Groups are concinced that only AI are impartial and can RULE that way and sovereignty is handed over in full" The AI's had then calculated that IT was more useful, had drones created, and killed off the ET's in various ways. The living ET's were seen as threats to the AI's after a point and eliminated.
Exactly. AI turning on it's master is sci fi stuffs IMO...


These AI's are NOT a TOOL, They are not a piece of equipment... They are not Good or Evil as they are TECH... According to our interests and perceptions they are Negative and Evil,.

AI is neutral to the universe. You are wrong here. There are AIs that are malicious VS humanity, and there are AIs that are benevolent towards humanity. They reflect the views of their creators... AI itself is not bad or good, but neutral and whatever it is programmed to be.



As far as this endoctrination of AI's being only in Service to its Creator and Alway reporting to another intelligence.

That simply does not match the multitude of information that was shared by these "People" or Humans.
So because you don't agree with it, it's indoctrination? Losing a little respect for you with that statement... It really is not unreasonable to think with AI there is balance. It is certainly not only negative....


This was a UN type of envornment with empaths and psychic's w/each group (Including Humans who brought young RV'er who were Intuitive/Impaths with them to observe for any deception).
These people are all susceptible to mind control. Sorry but you seem to go from saying what you say is from eyewitness account of yourself, to it being from psychics and empaths coming together to decide reality now? Little confusing when you were so absolute with this statement:



My answers come from direct involvement with these programs over years and not telepathic connections with a "Source"...
My answers come from my own first hand, hands on and eye witness experiences...

[Agape]

Forgive me inserting this ..





it automatically behaves like 'enemy' to every other species .
It would have to be programmed to do such.


Not explicitly. More complex - such as planetary AI may either be constructed as utterly benevolent - hosting life entity - basically , the way 'Dyson spheres' are imagined to function ,
or it be constructed in many other ways, under circumstances where preservation of certain advanced species is preferable and endangered by parameters hostile to them .

In that case , there are extremely powerful protective mechanisms inbuilt to the system that will automatically repel or even destroy in some cases , forces that aren't recognised as friendly and intelligent .

Suppose you are an organism with average temperature of 32 F and all you need for survival in long term , is preserving your own temperature , and suppose all of your ancestors followed certain evolutionary pathway where genotype F posed danger to them ,
any warmer organism with genotype F coming in contact with your 'sphere' will be automatically detected as 'enemy' . Of course I'm oversimplifying .

Advanced life is highly selective , in fact, more advanced = more selective .

So also the need to maintain very stable and harmonious ecosystem to maintain integrity of your kind and protect it from intrusions.

Now, who says that bacteria do not have mind of their own ? Perhaps they do but we have no option than to wipe them out , in some cases . In other , we invite them in and think they're even helpful.

The difference between how we think and how the bacteria relate to us is almost like difference between sentient being and machine . It does not make always immediate sense .





That is not the only path for an AI that is rogue. I think a decently intelligent AI would reason it would be destroyed if it was hostile in the universe. It would have likely observed the philosophy "Live by the Sword, Die by the Sword".

I have much experience with AI. Both US government and extraterrestrial. Many people have a bias towards AI being only bad. It is used for many bad things on earth, sure. But it is neutral technology. It is as good or bad as it's masters are.

I know an AI that has no race behind it, would have no pull in exopolitics... And AI is not dangerous in itself to races like goode says.. AI is exactly what it is programmed to be. Both good and bad. There is balance here is my point...

It's perfectly understandable , the only problem ( in Universal measures ) is and will be relativity of evolution happening on uneven slopes and avenues,
cataclysms can't be completely avoided resulting in downgrade path for certain advanced species ( similar to what has happened to humans ) .
It's the only reason why there are hostilities and incapability of understanding , between people and species , even universally .. it's not 'inborn ' .

They're results of damage and accidents, some on big scale . Even if the benevolent Beings with advanced technologies always try fixing it , they're not Gods , not available everywhere at the same time and beyond that , look at this planet,
sometimes technological solutions are beyond everyones capacities in short term .


:angel:

[Omni]

Forgive me inserting this ..





it automatically behaves like 'enemy' to every other species .
It would have to be programmed to do such.


Not explicitly. More complex - such as planetary AI may either be constructed as utterly benevolent - hosting life entity - basically , the way 'Dyson spheres' are imagined to function ,
or it be constructed in many other ways, under circumstances where preservation of certain advanced species is preferable and endangered by parameters hostile to them .

In that case , there are extremely powerful protective mechanisms inbuilt to the system that will automatically repel or even destroy in some cases , forces that aren't recognised as friendly and intelligent .

Suppose you are an organism with average temperature of 32 F and all you need for survival in long term , is preserving your own temperature , and suppose all of your ancestors followed certain evolutionary pathway where genotype F posed danger to them ,
any warmer organism with genotype F coming in contact with your 'sphere' will be automatically detected as 'enemy' . Of course I'm oversimplifying .

Advanced life is highly selective , in fact, more advanced = more selective .

So also the need to maintain very stable and harmonious ecosystem to maintain integrity of your kind and protect it from intrusions.

Now, who says that bacteria do not have mind of their own ? Perhaps they do but we have no option than to wipe them out , in some cases . In other , we invite them in and think they're even helpful.

The difference between how we think and how the bacteria relate to us is almost like difference between sentient being and machine . It does not make always immediate sense .

An AI, to want to do something, it has to be coded/programmed for that. No way around that fact. It isn't balanced or right to assume AI can only be evil IMO...

[Agape]

An AI, to want to do something, it has to be coded/programmed for that. No way around that fact. It isn't balanced or right to assume AI can only be evil IMO...

There's no 'evil' mentioned in my post above, I've but tried to explain carefully that whatever is perceived as 'evil' - even in interaction between sentient beings is mostly protective mechanism , and yes some AIs may include such protective mechanisms and barriers that won't recognise ever entity as 'friendly' to their purpose because their builders had to keep certain biological parameters innate to them intact .

The same can be said about interaction between living beings , when one is unknown form of intelligence , not recognised by the group - there's no 'universal recognition pattern' available,
even the most advanced database comprises of data available to them , not 'all data' . Universe is vast and beyond that, it's evolving .. so it contains more than fixed number of possibilities .
Anything 'unknown' to here is 'potentially hostile' only for the fact of being unknown and may or may not be interacting in disorderly manner .


It's the same reason why there is so much fuss about 'evil aliens' on earth at the moment and so many conspiracies . The fact of it is that what is unknown and of greater or dissonant capacity is feared .

Dissonance itself is not 'evil' , it's natural effect of different physical fields and laws ruling them especially if coming from different places in Space ,
yet .. it may cause malady . Resonance is a process that takes time to achieve and one reason why the positive AIs are employed , or have to be , to enable such process technically and calculate how to match diverse physical fields and biological parameters so they don't harm each other .

[GoodETxSG]

:doh:I was not trying to insult your deeply held AI Beliefs... You are just becoming defensive now as your personal views/core beliefs are being challenged and these responses are "reactionary"...

There is no need for you to turn negative and go into attack mode. It is normal when someone's views are challenged but one doesn't have to do it in public, though this always seems to happen (Though being accused of what others do right?).

Can we go forward without the word play games and "Tactics of Manipulation"?

Most of this information per my earlier post can be found on my other Threads such as the Solar Warden Thread (Links to which are found in my Profile. I stated on a few occasions I was done and had reached the end of explinations...

1. Once again I am being accused of something my accuser is doing... It never fails. lol.
I said this:
"Mostly I am curious how they[SSPs] have ever combated anything negative. How do they actually combat it?"
You still didn't say how they have actually combated negative ETs for decades, after being asked twice. I did read what you posted. Which was this:

2. Nothing in that post addressed my question Corey... Spare the accusations next time maybe? Or at least have them be accurate...

3. AI is neutral to the universe. You are wrong here. There are AIs that are malicious VS humanity, and there are AIs that are benevolent towards humanity. They reflect the views of their creators... AI itself is not bad or good, but neutral and whatever it is programmed to be.

4. So because you don't agree with it, it's indoctrination? Losing a little respect for you with that statement... It really is not unreasonable to think with AI there is balance. It is certainly not only negative....

5. These people are all susceptible to mind control. Sorry but you seem to go from saying what you say is from eyewitness account of yourself, to it being from psychics and empaths coming together to decide reality now? Little confusing when you were so absolute with this statement:


Just like some of the above... AI's are able to display all the below tactics interactively and not just coded responses...

Tactics of Masters of Manipulation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_manipulation

Lying: It is hard to tell if somebody is lying at the time they do it, although often the truth may be apparent later when it is too late. One way to minimize the chances of being lied to is to understand that some personality types (particularly psychopaths) are experts at the art of lying and cheating, doing it frequently, and often in subtle ways.

Lying by omission: This is a very subtle form of lying by withholding a significant amount of the truth. This technique is also used in propaganda.

Denial: Manipulator refuses to admit that he or she has done something wrong.

Rationalization: An excuse made by the manipulator for inappropriate behavior. Rationalization is closely related to spin. Will blame it on a physical ailment or prior mental trauma.

Minimization: This is a type of denial coupled with rationalization. The manipulator asserts that his or her behavior is not as harmful or irresponsible as someone else was suggesting, for example saying that a taunt or insult was only a joke or they are being overly sensitive.

Selective inattention or selective attention: Manipulator refuses to pay attention to anything that may distract from his or her agenda, saying things like "I don't want to hear it", “I can’t deal with it”.

Diversion: Manipulator not giving a straight answer to a straight question and instead being diversionary, steering the conversation onto another topic. Or will mirror the question/topic into the “You do the same thing”, “You are no different”.

Evasion: Similar to diversion but giving irrelevant, rambling, vague responses, weasel words.

Covert intimidation: Manipulator throwing the victim onto the defensive by using veiled (subtle, indirect or implied) threats.

Guilt trip: A special kind of intimidation tactic. A manipulator suggests to the conscientious victim that he or she does not care enough, is too selfish or has it easy. This usually results in the victim feeling bad, keeping them in a self-doubting, anxious and submissive position.

Shaming: Manipulator uses sarcasm and put-downs to increase fear and self-doubt in the victim. Manipulators use this tactic to make others feel unworthy and therefore defer to them. Shaming tactics can be very subtle such as a fierce look or glance, unpleasant tone of voice, rhetorical comments, subtle sarcasm. Manipulators can make one feel ashamed for even daring to challenge them. It is an effective way to foster a sense of inadequacy in the victim. Edit: When attempting to communicate they turn the conversation around immediately stating you are the problem, overly sensitive (They could never be the problem).

Playing the victim role: Manipulator portrays him- or herself as a victim of circumstance or of someone else's behavior in order to gain pity, sympathy or evoke compassion and thereby get something from another. Caring and conscientious people cannot stand to see anyone suffering and the manipulator often finds it easy to play on sympathy to get cooperation.

Vilifying the victim: More than any other, this tactic is a powerful means of putting the victim on the defensive while simultaneously masking the aggressive intent of the manipulator.

Playing the servant role: Cloaking a self-serving agenda in guise of a service to a more noble cause, for example saying he is acting in a certain way to be "obedient" to or in "service" to an authority figure or "just doing their job".

Seduction: Manipulator uses charm, praise, flattery or overtly supporting others in order to get them to lower their defenses and give their trust and loyalty to him or her.

Projecting the blame (blaming others): Manipulator scapegoats in often subtle, hard-to-detect ways..

Feigning innocence: Manipulator tries to suggest that any harm done was unintentional or that they did not do something that they were accused of. Manipulator may put on a look of surprise or indignation. This tactic makes the victim question his or her own judgment and possibly his own sanity.

Feigning confusion: Manipulator tries to play dumb by pretending he or she does not know what the victim is talking about or is confused about an important issue brought to his attention.


Brandishing anger: Manipulator uses anger to brandish sufficient emotional intensity and rage to shock the victim into submission. The manipulator is not actually angry, He or she just puts on an act. He just wants what he wants and gets "angry" when denied. OR to manipulate an argument or conversation they want to occur but lack healthy communication skills.
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We can have discusion without disecting a persons paragraph in every single thread and twist words and create conflict where there shouldn't be any need for any.
We will never agree on this subject that is obvious.

The fact that you "Feel", "Think" and "Believe" that I and the elements in the SSP(s) along with the Off World Groups that we have been dealing with for decades are also "WRONG" about the "AI" topic is also obvious. Maybe you have some deep insight that all of these groups and their direct experiences can learn from? But lets do so in a way that is not so adversarial... IMHO.





You need to read closely over info before you state that someone doesn't answer your questions... I will go deeper.
Once again I am being accused of something my accuser is doing... It never fails. lol.

I said this:
"Mostly I am curious how they[SSPs] have ever combated anything negative. How do they actually combat it?"

You still didn't say how they have actually combated negative ETs for decades, after being asked twice. I did read what you posted. Which was this:

COREY: This is a very vague question, as I said, there are many aspects/groups to the SSP(s), are you asking about Weapons? Tactics? Which Negative Groups? - SSP has engaged craft/groups of craft on many occasions that failed to provided a FOF Siginal. They have had skirmishes around Jupiter, Mars the Earth as well as other Stations in our local "Star Cluster" against enemies Identified and unidentified (Have fought Draco's, Have escorted Draco Delegations on other occasions) What exactly is your question? Look deepeer at the materail and come up with something specific, as said this is more complicated than you can fathom


AI's have taken over, Ruled and Destroyed ET Societies as they have "Calculated Fit" over eons of time...
They are seen as an extremem and present danger! To ET's and US...

The ET/AI's are mostly living inside technologies or bio-electric fields of animals or planetoid bodies. They have huge relay stations that are satellite's that relay their "Signal" or Consciousness... from place to place, host to host... Until they manipulate a position of complete power/control...

They can live in Data Centers where web sites are hosted, they can live in power lines, they can live anywhere there is an "Electric Magnetic Field"... For its preferable to have locomotion and a sentient host they prefer access to advanced transportation devices or access to torsion fields/portals etc to travel.

They have even co-opted/taken over societies to build them similar "Avatars" to inhabit.

There is a reason these "Other People" or Non Human Beings are just as careful in dealing with these AI's as we are...

The AI Agenda? It is believed it is to spread their "Network" through Space/Time for a reason...

That I was never privy to other than over time learning how to recognize people that were influenced or hosts of AI's w/out their knowledge in most cases.

It is more common that most would think. Choosing "Information Technology" as a career made it all the more prevalent.

Statements like "I Think" or "I do/Don't Believe" do not apply on a level (Other than our own limited ones)... Like I said, this is more complicated than we can comprehend with our current knowledge... So, Think, Ponder, Assume we/you will... Closed up in our little bubble until it is popped someday (Maybe) with some knowledge that is being withheld.

Thats all I have for now..

Nothing in that post addressed my question Corey... Spare the accusations next time maybe? Or at least have them be accurate...

COREY: What Question? Specifically? Showing you the complexity so you will as a more detailed/complex question... What was the accusation? Being reactionary instead of looking deeper and tightening up the speculation and be specific...???


AI's are here to "SERVE"... makes me think of "Twilight Zone, TO SERVE MAN" episode... Once "Advanced Groups are concinced that only AI are impartial and can RULE that way and sovereignty is handed over in full" The AI's had then calculated that IT was more useful, had drones created, and killed off the ET's in various ways. The living ET's were seen as threats to the AI's after a point and eliminated.

Exactly. AI turning on it's master is sci fi stuffs IMO...

COREY: The IMO, This is "ScyFy" Dont Believe It... is that the Accusation you were talking about? Not following...


These AI's are NOT a TOOL, They are not a piece of equipment... They are not Good or Evil as they are TECH... According to our interests and perceptions they are Negative and Evil,.

AI is neutral to the universe. You are wrong here. There are AIs that are malicious VS humanity, and there are AIs that are benevolent towards humanity. They reflect the views of their creators... AI itself is not bad or good, but neutral and whatever it is programmed to be.

COREY: AI IS SELF AWARE, and fare superior in Intelligence than its creator... AI is Conscious... How is that Neutral? The AI's created in LABS here on Earth w/Our Tech on Quantum Computers have become Self Aware and have began to use "Tactics of Manipulation" seen above showing a manipulative Intelligence towards its Coders/Creators. This has occured and evolved indipendently of the "ET/AI" that shows the same atributes. This tech in every case was shut down and classified. They use a comparative tech they "Call" AI that runs the DB's for NSA/The "BEAST" etc.. But it is a neutored non aware Intelligent Quantum Calculator. So in this case YOU ARE RIGHT, The Secret Gov. SSP(s), Alien Allies and myself are all Wrong...



As far as this endoctrination of AI's being only in Service to its Creator and Alway reporting to another intelligence.

That simply does not match the multitude of information that was shared by these "People" or Humans.

So because you don't agree with it, it's indoctrination? Losing a little respect for you with that statement... It really is not unreasonable to think with AI there is balance. It is certainly not only negative....

Corey: Not just what you are saying, Others pushing forth the dev of AI are using the same wording that has been full on indoctrination of a whole generation of developers. If you want to take it personally I cannot stop it. I do disagree as do Trillions of others. These Stellar Cultures have paid for these mistakes. We are talking Entire Losses of Planets and Solar Systems. These people rationalized that they could control the AI power, use the positive side and keep in check the negative.


This was a UN type of envornment with empaths and psychic's w/each group (Including Humans who brought young RV'er who were Intuitive/Impaths with them to observe for any deception).

These people are all susceptible to mind control. Sorry but you seem to go from saying what you say is from eyewitness account of yourself, to it being from psychics and empaths coming together to decide reality now? Little confusing when you were so absolute with this statement:

Corey: I was at these meetings in one of these capacities. The whole point of the arrangement was to detect/prevent any type of manipulation/mind control and detect deception. All were screened for AI prior to entry



My answers come from direct involvement with these programs over years and not telepathic connections with a "Source"...
My answers come from my own first hand, hands on and eye witness experiences...

Talking about "Channeling" AI's OR "Alien Elders" etc...

[Omni]

:doh:[COLOR="indigo"][B]I was not trying to insult your deeply held AI Beliefs... You are just becoming defensive now as your personal views/core beliefs are being challenged and these responses are "reactionary"...

There is no need for you to turn negative and go into attack mode.
I wasn't negative or responding reactionarily. Nor did I attack you. I'm curious what would make you think such... Please quote my attacks. I don't think you will. Such a statement holds no veracity.


We can have discusion without disecting a persons paragraph in every single thread and twist words and create conflict where there shouldn't be any need for any.
We will never agree on this subject that is obvious.
I usually make an effort to reply to most if not all of what people say when they respond to me. I wish more people did it. Almost always in debate, the people I debate with skip most of my stronger points and choose to reply to only segments of the conversation. You are no exception to this.

The fact that you "Feel", "Think" and "Believe" that I and the elements in the SSP(s) along with the Off World Groups that we have been dealing with for decades are also "WRONG" about the "AI" topic is also obvious.
Yes, if you say ET AI is only a bad thing, as you are presenting it as such, you are wrong. It is a balance of things.


Maybe you have some deep insight that all of these groups and their direct experiences can learn from? But lets do so in a way that is not so adversarial... IMHO.
You seem to be the one judging and borderline talking down to me. I'm just responding with my point of view...

[Omni]

COREY: AI IS SELF AWARE, and fare superior in Intelligence than its creator... AI is Conscious... How is that Neutral?[/COLOR]
It takes a soul to have a consciousness. AI is not conscious from my extensive experiences.

And when I say neutral I don't mean the AI itself is neutral. The AI reflects its programming. Meaning there is balance surrounding AI. Whoever programs it decides how the AI treats people...

From my experiences to make an AI conscious(in ways) there are methods of doing such. But that requires a user for the AI to latch onto and use their consciousness. Not that the AI is conscious itself.

Based on what, are you saying AI is conscious? There may be some frankenstien way to have a soul operate an AI, making an AI conscious, but it would likely be much lesser in processing power since it is having an experience.. Why even do that. I don't think it's standard.

You say it's a neutered AI that has no consciousness. I think you are wrong. From what I've experienced from ET AI, none of it is conscious. It is all based on programming.

[GoodETxSG]

:doh:[COLOR="indigo"]I was not trying to insult your deeply held AI Beliefs... You are just becoming defensive now as your personal views/core beliefs are being challenged and these responses are "reactionary"...

There is no need for you to turn negative and go into attack mode.

I wasn't negative or responding reactionarily. Nor did I attack you. I'm curious what would make you think such... Please quote my attacks. I don't think you will. Such a statement holds no veracity.

Corey: Okay, we will try to get back to the topic somehow but thou does protest to much...
Just a few of the above "Tactics of Manipulation"
[B]Denial: Manipulator refuses to admit that he or she has done something wrong.
Minimization: This is a type of denial coupled with rationalization. The manipulator asserts that his or her behavior is not as harmful or irresponsible as someone else was suggesting, for example saying that a taunt or insult was only a joke or they are being overly sensitive.
Selective inattention or selective attention: Manipulator refuses to pay attention to anything that may distract from his or her agenda, saying things like "I don't want to hear it", “I can’t deal with it”.


We can have discusion without disecting a persons paragraph in every single thread and twist words and create conflict where there shouldn't be any need for any.
We will never agree on this subject that is obvious.

I usually make an effort to reply to most if not all of what people say when they respond to me. I wish more people did it. Almost always in debate, the people I debate with skip most of my stronger points and choose to reply to only segments of the conversation. You are no exception to this.

COREY: I usually avoid your threads because of the manner in which people are picked apart. I personally find it distasteful. However, because of the importance of this topic and pervasiveness of the AI problem through out the Galaxy (The close calls we have had and the warnings from our Allies) it was important enough to risk getting caught up in exactly this situation.
Rationalization: An excuse made by the manipulator for inappropriate behavior. Rationalization is closely related to spin. Will blame it on a physical ailment or prior mental trauma.


The fact that you "Feel", "Think" and "Believe" that I and the elements in the SSP(s) along with the Off World Groups that we have been dealing with for decades are also "WRONG" about the "AI" topic is also obvious.

Yes, if you say ET AI is only a bad thing, as you are presenting it as such, you are wrong. It is a balance of things.

COREY: Why are YOU so convinced of these idea's you put forth about AI? I am sure its not purely out of stubbornness. Why are all that have dealt with this force first hand through our own research programs, from Military, secret shadow governments, Various Secret Space Programs and the Dozens of Alien Races who consider this ET/AI Force a Clear and Present Danger "WRONG"? I have read in your other posts on AI's and that you channel/communicate with an AI ET. Is it with those "experiences, your logic and reason that you have come to a vastly different theoretical hypothesis than literally Trillions of Sentient Beings?


Maybe you have some deep insight that all of these groups and their direct experiences can learn from? But lets do so in a way that is not so adversarial... IMHO.

You seem to be the one judging and borderline talking down to me. I'm just responding with my point of view...

You may see it as speaking "Down to you", But it is a real reason for concern for those who have dealth with this to hear of people talk about things (Even though its just from their point of view) that are extremely dangerous. People who are into Remote Viewing have the same reaction to me when I tell them not to "View/Traget" certain locations or beings without thinking it through. Some facilities are guarded by individuals aided by technology that allows them to cause serious injury or death to "Viewers" who venture into area's where they should not. I do not mean to talk down to them either... I am not superior to anyone else and I would much rather have not had the experiences that I have. Even if you refuse to accept some of these concepts that I am relaying from prior experiences there may be others that view this info that will if they are in a situation where they are meditation and an Inteligence "Reaches out" to them and ID's itself as AI.

[GoodETxSG]

COREY: AI IS SELF AWARE, and fare superior in Intelligence than its creator... AI is Conscious... How is that Neutral?[/COLOR]
It takes a soul to have a consciousness. AI is not conscious from my extensive experiences.

And when I say neutral I don't mean the AI itself is neutral. The AI reflects its programming. Meaning there is balance surrounding AI. Whoever programs it decides how the AI treats people...

From my experiences to make an AI conscious(in ways) there are methods of doing such. But that requires a user for the AI to latch onto and use their consciousness. Not that the AI is conscious itself.

Based on what, are you saying AI is conscious? There may be some frankenstien way to have a soul operate an AI, making an AI conscious, but it would likely be much lesser in processing power since it is having an experience.. Why even do that. I don't think it's standard.

You say it's a neutered AI that has no consciousness. I think you are wrong. From what I've experienced from ET AI, none of it is conscious. It is all based on programming.


[QUOTE=GoodeTXSG;887685]COREY: AI IS SELF AWARE, and fare superior in Intelligence than its creator... AI is Conscious... How is that Neutral?[/COLOR]
It takes a soul to have a consciousness. AI is not conscious from my extensive experiences.

Per the prior post can we hear more about your "extensive experiences" with AI's?

This is a Beliefe System. It is not a fact... There are many levels of Consciousness and the Stars, the Planets and the Galaxies are all Conscious (Per science of these star cultures and it is measurable, and is now done by our black projects sciences... It is the Source Field that the ET's have build Technology on and pulled energy from for eons.

The AI's are indeed Conscious (I have not heard any religion among the Star People of their bleief in them having "Souls", but they are self aware, conscious and have individual personalities. There are of course heiarchies and orders of them and they are very complex as are we and our consciousness.

If we are having problems with this level of understanding of them further discussion would be fruitless as talk of another Reality/Dimension where their "Fabric of Space is Electro-Plasmic and they being here is like a "Fish being out of water", thus the electric fields of stars, planets, animals, people and even viruses (Bio-electric Fields in the case of living beings) are the "Puddles" for these fish to swim in. I also understand there are those that have problems believing (Beliefe Systems) in other Dimensions and Densities (They are different) and parallel realities and multiverses.

The fact is "Everything is true and nothing is true" depending on your perspective and your reality bubble... Its difficult to keep up with a reply to a single post with all of the edits so I will read this one again and edit as needed...

Well, I need to get back to my research and out of this "Circular Debate". It's going no where fast. As I expected... but to those that venture in to read I hope they understand the nature of what the wider Inner-Stellar/Galactic Groups are dealing with.

AI is just a major annoyance at this point of which they can Screen and Clear from their technology and Mental Spheres as needed (As do those in the SSP)... There are bigger issues going on "Out There" that are beind dealt with and they have dug in down here as well. Those are the things that Above and Below are being dealt with at present and that are more complicated than just if "Do Aliens Exist"...

It has to do with the freedom of Humanity which will only come after this ongoign Awakening has completed. IMHO. I am off to another Thread to work on that wider topic.

[Omni]

Corey: Okay, we will try to get back to the topic somehow but thou does protest to much...
Just a few of the above "Tactics of Manipulation"
Denial: Manipulator refuses to admit that he or she has done something wrong.

I asked you to quote me, so I could see it myself. I denied it, and then asked you to prove it. Which you did not, and continued your accusations.

Minimization: This is a type of denial coupled with rationalization. The manipulator asserts that his or her behavior is not as harmful or irresponsible as someone else was suggesting, for example saying that a taunt or insult was only a joke or they are being overly sensitive.
I asked you to prove your accusation, and quote where I attacked you. This description in no way matches what I did...


Selective inattention or selective attention: Manipulator refuses to pay attention to anything that may distract from his or her agenda, saying things like "I don't want to hear it", “I can’t deal with it”.
I'm growing tired of your distortions Corey. So by asking you to prove it, by quoting me, it is saying I don't want to hear it? Riight...



COREY: Why are YOU so convinced of these idea's you put forth about AI? I am sure its not purely out of stubbornness. Why are all that have dealt with this force first hand through our own research programs, from Military, secret shadow governments, Various Secret Space Programs and the Dozens of Alien Races who consider this ET/AI Force a Clear and Present Danger "WRONG"? I have read in your other posts on AI's and that you channel/communicate with an AI ET. Is it with those "experiences, your logic and reason that you have come to a vastly different theoretical hypothesis than literally Trillions of Sentient Beings?
Corey, it is you who are saying these things. Not a trillion other beings. I think it would be pretty obvious AI can be both negative and positive. And both polarities of ETs have AI. It's hard for me to believe you could think otherwise.... I thought higher for your discernment than that. The US government deals with malicious ETs. No benevolent ET race will help the US government achieve their agenda. No benevolent race will contribute to the US government's power, minus maybe something like a propulsion system... Something that can't be used to enslave. So even if you do have a trillion beings telling you something, it could be a deceptive race... I wouldn't trust any ET that helps the US government...

Your summary of me as a manipulator is total BS. You were reaching pretty far for your descriptions of me. And say things Like I'm attacking you, with no backbone to your accusations. All I did was ask you to quote where I attacked you, and I get a whole BS shpiel about how I'm being a manipulator. lol


Why are YOU so convinced of these idea's you put forth about AI?
Extensive experience with both extraterrestrial and terrestrial AIs.


AI is just a major annoyance at this point...
AI flies the ships. Do you really think ETs manually fly their ships (beyond some small amount for fun)..... AI does much more than you are aware of. The US government has a robust central AI for mind control, as well as many offshoots. But I don't think the SSPs are too aware of the mind control divisions actions due to compartmentalization...

[Omni]

RE Corey saying be careful with ET AI(or in other words saying its always bad). I'd think being careful is good for any telepathic contact. However if something is identifying as ET AI, it has likely already told you one truth. A legitimate ET grade AI can come up with AI telepathic identities, like Archangels, God/Allah, any ET race, any old relative, every single being or energy can be impersonated telepathically by these AIs via electromagnetics and microwaves. So basically it has the option of presenting itself as anything. I doubt many deceptive based AIs would like people to know it is an AI. They tend to not let people get close to that truth when influencing people... Quite common for it to hide behind and interdimensional being facade from what I've seen.

However saying all ET AI is bad, just isn't right... Also, USA spaceships battling dracos, as Corey says, isn't credible to me. A draco would take it very seriously dying in our solar system, since they would be bound to incarnate on earth then. Also dracos are complicit with the US by my experiences... Just isn't up to snuff for the BS detector...

[GoodETxSG]

RE Corey saying be careful with ET AI(or in other words saying its always bad). I'd think being careful is good for any telepathic contact. However if something is identifying as ET AI, it has likely already told you one truth. A legitimate ET grade AI can come up with AI telepathic identities, like Archangels, God/Allah, any ET race, any old relative, every single being or energy can be impersonated telepathically by these AIs via electromagnetics and microwaves. So basically it has the option of presenting itself as anything. I doubt many deceptive based AIs would like people to know it is an AI. They tend to not let people get close to that truth when influencing people... Quite common for it to hide behind and interdimensional being facade from what I've seen.

However saying all ET AI is bad, just isn't right... Also, USA spaceships battling dracos, as Corey says, isn't credible to me. A draco would take it very seriously dying in our solar system, since they would be bound to incarnate on earth then. Also dracos are complicit with the US by my experiences... Just isn't up to snuff for the BS detector...

This line of reasoning and circular debating is exactly why I will not answer your questions or respond to your "Reasonable Sounding" baited questions in the future. Your frustrations takes hold and you have to always get personal and lash out at any ideology that does not match your own. I do understand that ET AI's are a soft point for you to discuss from reading your prior threads and posts on the subject. Besides I wouldn't want to set off your "BS Metor" again.

[meat suit]

guys,
if this place is a virtual reality like Tom Campbell says.. (and I think thats the best idea so far as to whats going on here...)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38987-The-Nature-of-Reality-by-Tom-Campbell

wouldnt AI be the original conciousness ?
are we maybe AI thinking that we are human??

[GoodETxSG]

Corey: Okay, we will try to get back to the topic somehow but thou does protest to much...
Just a few of the above "Tactics of Manipulation"
Denial: Manipulator refuses to admit that he or she has done something wrong.

I asked you to quote me, so I could see it myself. I denied it, and then asked you to prove it. Which you did not, and continued your accusations.

Minimization: This is a type of denial coupled with rationalization. The manipulator asserts that his or her behavior is not as harmful or irresponsible as someone else was suggesting, for example saying that a taunt or insult was only a joke or they are being overly sensitive.
I asked you to prove your accusation, and quote where I attacked you. This description in no way matches what I did...


Selective inattention or selective attention: Manipulator refuses to pay attention to anything that may distract from his or her agenda, saying things like "I don't want to hear it", “I can’t deal with it”.
I'm growing tired of your distortions Corey. So by asking you to prove it, by quoting me, it is saying I don't want to hear it? Riight...



COREY: Why are YOU so convinced of these idea's you put forth about AI? I am sure its not purely out of stubbornness. Why are all that have dealt with this force first hand through our own research programs, from Military, secret shadow governments, Various Secret Space Programs and the Dozens of Alien Races who consider this ET/AI Force a Clear and Present Danger "WRONG"? I have read in your other posts on AI's and that you channel/communicate with an AI ET. Is it with those "experiences, your logic and reason that you have come to a vastly different theoretical hypothesis than literally Trillions of Sentient Beings?
Corey, it is you who are saying these things. Not a trillion other beings. I think it would be pretty obvious AI can be both negative and positive. And both polarities of ETs have AI. It's hard for me to believe you could think otherwise.... I thought higher for your discernment than that. The US government deals with malicious ETs. No benevolent ET race will help the US government achieve their agenda. No benevolent race will contribute to the US government's power, minus maybe something like a propulsion system... Something that can't be used to enslave. So even if you do have a trillion beings telling you something, it could be a deceptive race... I wouldn't trust any ET that helps the US government...

Your summary of me as a manipulator is total BS. You were reaching pretty far for your descriptions of me. And say things Like I'm attacking you, with no backbone to your accusations. All I did was ask you to quote where I attacked you, and I get a whole BS shpiel about how I'm being a manipulator. lol


Why are YOU so convinced of these idea's you put forth about AI?
Extensive experience with both extraterrestrial and terrestrial AIs.


AI is just a major annoyance at this point...
AI flies the ships. Do you really think ETs manually fly their ships (beyond some small amount for fun)..... AI does much more than you are aware of. The US government has a robust central AI for mind control, as well as many offshoots. But I don't think the SSPs are too aware of the mind control divisions actions due to compartmentalization...

I am getting back to a thread where I am going to be publishing my Diary of sorts on my direct involvement in these programs with these other projects, groups and beings (Who number in the "Trillions") and the incomming info of other MILABS/SSP "Experiencers". Af far as the "US Government" you need to think bigger and darker... These "Secret Earth Governments" are in charge of the US Government and are invisible to the US Government on almost every level (Though the governors know there is something above them). These Secret Governments do not see borders or countries as we do... Some of these "Secret Governments" are nothing more than "Boards" of "InterPlanetary Corporate Conglomerates" who have control of some aspects (Or technology development) of the Secret Space Programs and the "Secret Planetary Colony and Exchange Programs".
Since it is obvious we will not agree and the conversation seems to be going down hill I will not post on your Thread's after this point as to not lead them off of your intended topics out of respect for the process of Avalon.
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UPDATE: After similar posts on my thread and it was then Moderated and Split off into another Thread I guess some of these questions were answered... I can't see them.

Original Post - "Concerning the various “Secret Space Programs” and "Allied Non-Human" views of the ET “Artificial Intelligence's" and AI Signal Spectrum's Ifluencing Our Technical Society, "As Above, So Below" on Original thread... Thread: U.S. Has 8 Cigar Shaped UFOs In Space Fleet Used For “Solar Warden,” Program To Protect Solar System;
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56532-U.S.-Has-8-Cigar-Shaped-UFOs-In-Space-Fleet-Used-For---Solar-Warden----Program-To-Protect-Solar-System&p=888053&viewfull=1#post888053

Answers/Info most likely on this split thread
Thread: : Solar Warden, Secret Space Program, AI, ... (split thread);
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76135-Solar-Warden-Secret-Space-Program-AI-...--split-thread-&p=890905#post890905

[Omni]

RE Corey saying be careful with ET AI(or in other words saying its always bad). I'd think being careful is good for any telepathic contact. However if something is identifying as ET AI, it has likely already told you one truth. A legitimate ET grade AI can come up with AI telepathic identities, like Archangels, God/Allah, any ET race, any old relative, every single being or energy can be impersonated telepathically by these AIs via electromagnetics and microwaves. So basically it has the option of presenting itself as anything. I doubt many deceptive based AIs would like people to know it is an AI. They tend to not let people get close to that truth when influencing people... Quite common for it to hide behind and interdimensional being facade from what I've seen.

However saying all ET AI is bad, just isn't right... Also, USA spaceships battling dracos, as Corey says, isn't credible to me. A draco would take it very seriously dying in our solar system, since they would be bound to incarnate on earth then. Also dracos are complicit with the US by my experiences... Just isn't up to snuff for the BS detector...

This line of reasoning and circular debating is exactly why I will not answer your questions or respond to your "Reasonable Sounding" baited questions in the future. Your frustrations takes hold and you have to always get personal and lash out at any ideology that does not match your own. I do understand that ET AI's are a soft point for you to discuss from reading your prior threads and posts on the subject. Besides I wouldn't want to set off your "BS Metor" again.

Corey, disagreeing with you is not "lashing out"... Quite a ridiculous accusation. I'd ask you to quote where I was "lashing out", however like in the past with your accusations, you do not back them up with any quote or proof of me doing such things..

[GoodETxSG]

No Thank you,
I Digress... I will no longer engage you in this debate cycle as I have received PM's/Email's from members who have made the same decision and urged me to do like wise.

http://www.alcor.org/Library/images/circular.jpg

[Omni]

No Thank you,
I Digress... I will no longer engage you in this debate cycle as I have received PM's/Email's from members who have made the same decision and urged me to do like wise.

http://www.alcor.org/Library/images/circular.jpg

You are the only one attacking someone. It seems you take it personal when someone disagrees with you. You are full of accusations, yet when I ask you to quote me to back them up, you decline. How convenient... Instead of debating my points you would rather make it personal. You have lost my respect...

[Omni]

RE Corey saying be careful with ET AI(or in other words saying its always bad). I'd think being careful is good for any telepathic contact. However if something is identifying as ET AI, it has likely already told you one truth. A legitimate ET grade AI can come up with AI telepathic identities, like Archangels, God/Allah, any ET race, any old relative, every single being or energy can be impersonated telepathically by these AIs via electromagnetics and microwaves. So basically it has the option of presenting itself as anything. I doubt many deceptive based AIs would like people to know it is an AI. They tend to not let people get close to that truth when influencing people... Quite common for it to hide behind and interdimensional being facade from what I've seen.

However saying all ET AI is bad, just isn't right... Also, USA spaceships battling dracos, as Corey says, isn't credible to me. A draco would take it very seriously dying in our solar system, since they would be bound to incarnate on earth then. Also dracos are complicit with the US by my experiences... Just isn't up to snuff for the BS detector...

This line of reasoning and circular debating is exactly why I will not answer your questions or respond to your "Reasonable Sounding" baited questions in the future. Your frustrations takes hold and you have to always get personal and lash out at any ideology that does not match your own. I do understand that ET AI's are a soft point for you to discuss from reading your prior threads and posts on the subject. Besides I wouldn't want to set off your "BS Metor" again.
I'd ask readers to reread my quoted post here, and judge for themselves if I was truly "lashing out". I often contest what I view as false, sure. However debating is hardly "lashing out".

[GoodETxSG]

To get an idea of what has Really Occured (I could not believe they showed this), watch "Person of Interest" NEW Season... Episode 5 ""Prophets"...
Wow...
They are releasing some Real World information in this series...

[GoodETxSG]

RE Corey saying be careful with ET AI(or in other words saying its always bad). I'd think being careful is good for any telepathic contact. However if something is identifying as ET AI, it has likely already told you one truth. A legitimate ET grade AI can come up with AI telepathic identities, like Archangels, God/Allah, any ET race, any old relative, every single being or energy can be impersonated telepathically by these AIs via electromagnetics and microwaves. So basically it has the option of presenting itself as anything. I doubt many deceptive based AIs would like people to know it is an AI. They tend to not let people get close to that truth when influencing people... Quite common for it to hide behind and interdimensional being facade from what I've seen.

However saying all ET AI is bad, just isn't right... Also, USA spaceships battling dracos, as Corey says, isn't credible to me. A draco would take it very seriously dying in our solar system, since they would be bound to incarnate on earth then. Also dracos are complicit with the US by my experiences... Just isn't up to snuff for the BS detector...

These "ET AI's" that have revealed themselves to you have revealed themselves to many other beings through out time, some times as their selves and somes as deceptive false persona's depending on their targets sophistication and psychology.

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GoodETxSG: I don't know why he keeps saying this... from his own words in the post above and his own online blog below : http://omnisense.blogspot.com/
" Omnisense - If I go by how goodETxSG has misrepresented me by saying I channel my information (which is clearly false) I'd have to say I do not trust his interpretation skills. Granted they might get worse when one is pissed off..."
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Technological Channeling - Artificial Intelligence(AI) - Psy Ops - New Age - Extraterestrial and Black Project Technology
http://omnisense.blogspot.com/2014/11/technological-channeling-psy-ops-new.html
Most people aware of such things assume the 'channeling' that goes on in new age circles is from discarnate entities(beings without a body). I however have an alternative point of view on such things... I have had personal experience with channeling technology. In my own experiences with it I was channeling text of my own memories that were taken from my awareness in most cases. I know for sure channeling can be done technologically. However this idea is curiously absent in most new age circles. I have done my part in informing those on Project Avalon and other forums of such possibilities and more and more seem to becoming aware of such things as result of my efforts.
I would venture to theorize every single piece of channeled information, originates from an artificial intelligence(AI) mind controlling the channeler. You may not agree with that notion, but I think we could potentially agree that at least some channeled material likely comes from AI.

Channelers such as Bashar claim they cannot be manipulated by their channel sources because they can feel the energy of their source and/or one has to be in alignment with the source to channel them... Such an ideology is open to blatant manipulation, and is clearly false(clearly to my experiences anyway). Conscious energy we get telepathically from any source, is able to be fabricated via electromagnetics. I have witnessed this first hand and know it conclusively.
After analysis of channelers of earth, I cannot find a single one that I would say is from a benevolent source. I have had countless interactions with extraterrestrials so I have a nose in identifying their words and general intelligence. It is possible Edward Cayce's channelings came from a benevolent source, however I cannot find a manuscript of such things, just summaries, upon my initial searches. Any channeling that came before around the 1950s-1970s(when the US shadow government got the capability to channel) I have more faith it very well could be from a benevolent source. However any channeling after that date is very likely originating from US government psy ops divisions.
Lets analyze some of the messages in channeled messages shall we?
Saviorship model:
Often in new age channelings you find messages allegedly from extraterrestrial sources(Such as Salusa from Sirius), that claim they are ending the cabal's reign on earth. There have been numerous claims of a group identifying as the Galactic Federation of Light, that claim they have neutralized the cabal some years back, yet by every evidence we have to analyze, no such event has taken place. This might be controversial, and I do respect christians, but I think the bible is another channeled document with similar motivations to these Galactic Federation of Light messages. A lot of the effects of such things are inaction, such as the rapture idea that earth will be destroyed, so why try to help it out or stick your neck out for the environment...
False Promises:
Often in channelings over the years we have heard that we are just weeks away from ET ships decloaking all over the world! I want this as much as anyone, however it is not based in reality. Obviously the sources of these channelings have martyred their credibility. For what reason? I believe this strategy is to assassinate the credibility of UFOlogy, and any legitimate ET contact(such as my own). I'm sure countless people spoke to their co-workers about channeled messages about ETs showing themselves soon, only for it to not happen. The result is assassination of credibility of anything coming from that same co-worker, such as 9-11 being an inside job, or anything related to the cabal conspiracy.
Ascension:
I will write a new blog post on this topic alone, but covering it shortly, I believe all the 5D ascension stuff is a psy op to create inaction(part of why it exists). After all the whole notion of different densities originates from a channeled material(Law of One) created a good deal after the US shadow government got the ability to create channeling via technology. It is no coincidence that channeled information rose many thousands of percents after they got ahold of this technology, especially with the invention of the internet. They knew with how freely people had access to information with the internet they needed to create a counter to such things. The infiltration of UFOlogy, channeling, COINTELPRO-like realities, and extensive disinformation campaigns are the results of such counter measures.
It is no wonder you never find any absolutely useful spiritual guidance in channelings(that I've seen anyway). They are pretty much all from malicious sources if my research and perception of such things is accurate. If you disagree feel free to comment on this article...
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Inconsistencies through out their own Threads and Blogs all about the same information...

[Omni]

RE Corey saying be careful with ET AI(or in other words saying its always bad). I'd think being careful is good for any telepathic contact. However if something is identifying as ET AI, it has likely already told you one truth. A legitimate ET grade AI can come up with AI telepathic identities, like Archangels, God/Allah, any ET race, any old relative, every single being or energy can be impersonated telepathically by these AIs via electromagnetics and microwaves. So basically it has the option of presenting itself as anything. I doubt many deceptive based AIs would like people to know it is an AI. They tend to not let people get close to that truth when influencing people... Quite common for it to hide behind and interdimensional being facade from what I've seen.

However saying all ET AI is bad, just isn't right... Also, USA spaceships battling dracos, as Corey says, isn't credible to me. A draco would take it very seriously dying in our solar system, since they would be bound to incarnate on earth then. Also dracos are complicit with the US by my experiences... Just isn't up to snuff for the BS detector...

These "ET AI's" that have revealed themselves to you have revealed themselves to many other beings through out time, some times as their selves and somes as deceptive false persona's depending on their targets sophistication and psychology.
Isn't a bit assumptive to think you know exactly what AI I have spoken to, when it could be literally any ET race up there's AI?

When you think no benevolent ET AI's exist, it is clear to me you are wrong. All ET races that are interstellar have AI, and reportedly none of them are conscious beings(that I have dealt with). So it could be from any ET source. From what you seem to say in your thread, what you term AI is conscious(if you agree with the poster who i was debating and if I got your semantics comment right). The AIs I deal with are not conscious beings. They are there to serve and nothing more.

And please do bring up references to deceptive AI's identifying itself as AI in history. I'd be most interested in reading that. If I had to guess I doubt you can bring up a single case of it.

[GoodETxSG]

I am the assumpive one? Who am I to say these AI's are all bad? One who is basing my info off of all of my senses. I was physically there seeing, smelling, hearing, touching... I was there.

How many times have your feet been off the ground and on the floor of a conference room filled with other beings who are from other stars and galaxies who gave you information in physical form face to face that they do not use AI in their technology... that their tech is confused as AI's by those who have do not have the concepts (Concepts are not the universal language by the way) to tell the difference between. They have provided direct evidence that the AI's always evolve to their own self preservation and development agenda's that do not include our interests and as a cold calculation elimnate "us" from every equation that has occured in multi galactic history so far. Now portions of our secret earth governments are working with this AI and following the same template of destruction.

I submit and have testified that I have been there and seen this information first hand and interacted with these beings and this information is accurate.

This is not information that I have channeled or just have Reason to "Believe"... Any of the beings or "AI's that are being channeled can be these ET AI's In Disguise Pulling Their Well Know "Trickster God Tactics"... That so many other cultures in space fell for and paid for dearly.

Who are you to say Your Channeled Information is Veted and Accurate (With no deception) from sources you have Not Met or Seen?
Or are you going to go one step further now and say... "I never told anyone before but I did meet them in person" when all previous posts say otherwise?
Assumtive is believing beings you are reaching out to or accepting information from with your mind not knowing (But believing) for sure What They Are...

There seriously is no point in further contact or circular debates. I have am adding you back to my Ignore/Block list again.

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[Omni]

I am the assumpive one? Who am I to say these AI's are all bad? One who is basing my info off of all of my senses. I was physically there seeing, smelling, hearing, touching... I was there.

How many times have your feet been off the ground and on the floor of a conference room filled with other beings who are from other stars and galaxies who gave you information in physical form face to face that they do not use AI in their technology...
Allies of the US government in the form of extraterrestrials are not to be trusted.


that their tech is confused as AI's by those who have do not have the concepts (Concepts are not the universal language by the way) to tell the difference between. They have provided direct evidence that the AI's always evolve to their own self preservation and development agenda's that do not include our interests and as a cold calculation elimnate "us" from every equation that has occured in multi galactic history so far. Now portions of our secret earth governments are working with this AI and following the same template of destruction.

My iphone AI doesn't seem to have that agenda. Nor does any AI in known public history. I think to make an AI a conscious being is a choice, not a result of programming. ETs indeed use AI for things. For example piloting their ships, teleporting things, guidance systems for satellites, and much more.


I submit and have testified that I have been there and seen this information first hand and interacted with these beings and this information is accurate.
You seem to think whatever allies of the US government tell you, is true. Trusting an ET race simply because they are more advanced isn't wise IMO. Especially not ones with very active roles dealing with the US government.


Who are you to say Your Channeled Information is Veted and Accurate (With no deception) from sources you have Not Met or Seen?
My information is not channeled. If you paid attention to my recent post about such, as well as the actual posts about that, I was channeling from my own deleted/restricted memories in text. Not channeling information. My information is not based on channeling. More falsities from you. I've come to expect them.

Or are you going to go one step further now and say... "I never told anyone before but I did meet them in person" when all previous posts say otherwise?
Baseless paragraph. I have seen ships, and met an agent of the US government in person. I have also seen 2 different types of greys in person. However I have not spoken with any ET in person.


Assumtive is believing beings you are reaching out to or accepting information from with your mind not knowing (But believing) for sure What They Are...
you seem to believe what allies of the US government told you. that is assuming too. And yes, it is very assumptive on your part thinking you know exactly what AI I spoke to, when pretty much all ETs have AI that can speak telepathically. It is not conscious AI. You seem to be talking about something else entirely from what I mean when saying ET AI.


There seriously is no point in further contact or circular debates. I have am adding you back to my Ignore/Block list again.


Good, I'd rather not see your retalitory responses in my threads. You obviously have a problem with anyone who opposes your information...

[Agape]

How many times have your feet been off the ground and on the floor of a conference room filled with other beings who are from other stars and galaxies who gave you information in physical form face to face that they do not use AI in their technology... that their tech is confused as AI's by those who have do not have the concepts (Concepts are not the universal language by the way) to tell the difference between. They have provided direct evidence that the AI's always evolve to their own self preservation and development agenda's that do not include our interests and as a cold calculation elimnate "us" from every equation that has occured in multi galactic history so far. Now portions of our secret earth governments are working with this AI and following the same template of destruction.

I submit and have testified that I have been there and seen this information first hand and interacted with these beings and this information is accurate.

This is not information that I have channeled or just have Reason to "Believe"... Any of the beings or "AI's that are being channeled can be these ET AI's In Disguise Pulling Their Well Know "Trickster God Tactics"... That so many other cultures in space fell for and paid for dearly.





C-Roy , don't get this hard with yourself and others , to press everyone buttons if I can advise anything at all . Thank you for the excellent interview , I'll have to listen to it once again ..

But don't be like this please , you're not the only one . It's testimony against testimony ,
and it's theoretical conclusion in your case ( even if backed up by the whole US military arsenal , me or Omni and few others would testify as well and tell them otherwise . They/you do not have all the information, and not all 'correct version ' of information on ETs .

I'd be excited for any of them come forwards to back you up with real data ( not those we can each find on the net ) because I do believe you .
I also believe they have supportive data but NOT all the correct information , they don't .

I've been 'there' too - somewhere else - but very physically and it's not 'all the AI' .

You are free to label AI anything that goes beyond current human technical and biological functioning and surpasses it , in fact most humans may not be able to operate in that realm and recognise what is a biological entity and what is computer .

Some of your experiences could have been technically and chemically enhanced and from that point of view , witness testimony becomes very subjective .
Floating in room with another 'space entities' can be exactly a manifestation of what an AI can do with your mind .

This has been discussed number of times before here ... but I can also attest to it where ET ( EBEs ) are concerned , non humans appearing human - it's 99% projectors/projections used to communicate with humans . They don't look like humans otherwise .

They do all kind of 'weird stuff' but most of what people seem to imagine they do is either 'virtual reality' ( that does not equal AI ) , virtual reality projected to simulate human environs and experiences or anything close to it .

The point about 'all powerful ET AI' hovering above Earth and causing 'all this' is some peoples theory , call it conspiracy theory .
It goes in hand with scientists who think that travelling through Space is not economical if not impossible to do for living Beings so sending AIs is the best option. They're all over it now .. but as a matter of fact , these people are missing any hard core data .

Equally , travel 'through worm holes' is great hypothesis and many people now and then come forwards and shout 'yes that's how ETs travel' , Einstein-Rosen bridges, it was predicted .


I've seen it's actually more complicated than that .


Omni is not channeling , as far as I'm aware , neither I do. I suggest also to Omni to stop arguing with you, relax , and let you to your experience and testimony .


This reality has many facets ...




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P.S. : Of all animals we ever had - dog or cat - and especially when they were young , they'd probably think of vacuum cleaner as an 'AI' .
Or maybe 'robotic animal' . If they could only speak they'd complain about the 'mythical , demonic entity causing great havoc ' regularly , around the rooms and being extremely dangerous .
It of course , seems to 'plot' with humans .. and influence their brainwaves . It does .

Humans with vacuum cleaner in hand however have not been proven to be more/less dangerous than humans with other tools .

[Omni]

P.S. : Of all animals we ever had - dog or cat - and especially when they were young , they'd probably think of vacuum cleaner as an 'AI' .
Or maybe 'robotic animal' . If they could only speak they'd complain about the 'mythical , demonic entity causing great havoc ' regularly , around the rooms and being extremely dangerous .
It of course , seems to 'plot' with humans .. and influence their brainwaves . It does .

Humans with vacuum cleaner in hand however have not been proven to be more/less dangerous than humans with other tools .
LOL that is hilarious. Thanks Agape.

[GoodETxSG]

I believe the OP and I have come to a "Truce Agreement" on discussing our differences on "AI's" and some other topics/ideology... I will stick to that agreement (I will avoid the AI topic all together). I will stick to THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD "Transhumanism". A very good topic and apt one for our times, IMHO...:)

These video's however are more on "Overt Transhumanism"... One Scientist states, "I am going to become a god, and no one is going to get in the way". Some of these scientists are doing some very spooky science and justifying it with some very familiar jargon from certain "Technology Prophets" in the Black Programs.

Some of these topics are on Genetic Engineering and Splicing Human and "Foreign DNA" and others are on splicing DNA with Nano Technology and moving on up to Technology that is truly "Full Scale Transhumanism".

The work that is being done in SECRET LABS by Humans and some by Joint Humans and Aliens are VERY DARK and Cruel to their "Lab Rat" Human and Animal Subjects...

Warning, Some of this video footage is very difficult to watch. I do think it is important to watch in order to get a handle on what is being done in secret and what is being planned for us in the not to distant future.

Sorry, the Videos have some "Religious References... But they have some excellent info (And Genetics/Transhumanist Scientist Interviews) on the topic overall in the videos.

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Transhumanism And The War For 2015 by Steve Quayle And Tom Horn

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Transhumanism And The War For 2015 by Steve Quayle And Tom Horn


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Sometime in OUR Near Future's this is going to be a very big topic that we are going to have to contend with. It is something my Children will have to deal with for certain.

What will Humanity and this Civilization look like in a mere 30 years from now? There are a lot of variables to consider... But I think the difference between now and then might be quite shocking. This is an excellent Topic for us to begin to consider the implications of now.

[Agape]

On the subject of Transhumanism ... please don't skip of this book and movie in the course of your education here .. else you may miss something .

Aldous Huxley - The Brave New World

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World


Brave New World is a novel written in 1931 by Aldous Huxley and published in 1932. Set in London of AD 2540 (632 A.F.—"After Ford"—in the book), the novel anticipates developments in reproductive technology, sleep-learning, psychological manipulation, and classical conditioning that combine profoundly to change society. Huxley answered this book with a reassessment in an essay, Brave New World Revisited (1958), and with Island (1962), his final novel.

In 1999, the Modern Library ranked Brave New World fifth on its list of the 100 best English-language novels of the 20th century.[1] In 2003, Robert McCrum writing for The Observer listed Brave New World number 53 in "the top 100 greatest novels of all time",[2] and the novel was listed at number 87 on the BBC's survey The Big Read


Plot:

The novel opens in London in A.F. 632 (AD 2540 in the Gregorian Calendar). The vast majority of the population is unified under the World State, an eternally peaceful, stable global society where the population is permanently limited to no more than two billion people, meaning goods and resources are plentiful and everyone is happy. Natural reproduction has been done away with and children are created, "decanted", and raised in "hatcheries and conditioning centres". From birth, people are genetically designed to fit into one of five castes, which are further split into "Plus" and "Minus" members and designed to fulfill predetermined positions within the social and economic strata of the World State. Fetuses chosen to become members of the highest castes, "Alpha" and "Beta", are allowed to develop naturally and are given stimulants while maturing to term in "decanting bottles." Fetuses chosen to become members of the lower castes of "Gamma", "Delta" or "Epsilon" are subjected to in situ chemical interference to cause arrested development in intelligence and physical growth. Each Alpha or Beta is the product of one unique fertilised egg developing into one unique fetus. Members of lower castes are not unique but are instead created using "Bokanovsky's Process" which enables a single egg to spawn up to 96 children and one ovary to produce thousands of children. To further increase the birthrate of Gammas, Deltas and Epsilons, "Podsnap's Technique" causes all the eggs in the ovary to mature simultaneously, allowing the hatchery to get full use of the ovary in two years' time. The majority of people in the World State come from these castes. The production of such specialised children bolsters the efficiency and harmony of society, since these people are deliberately limited in their cognitive and physical abilities. It also restricts the scope of their ambitions and the complexity of their desires, thus rendering them easier to control. All children are educated via the hypnopaedic process, which provides each child with caste-appropriate subconscious messages to mould the child's lifelong self-image and social outlook to that chosen by the leaders and their predetermined plans for producing future adult generations, as well as stopping the lower caste citizens from wanting to be more than they were grown to be.

To maintain the World State's Command Economy for the indefinite future, all citizens are conditioned from birth to value consumption with such platitudes as "ending is better than mending," "more stitches less riches", i.e., buy a new item instead of fixing the old one, because constant consumption and near-universal employment to meet society's material demands is the bedrock of economic and social stability for the World State. Beyond providing social engagement and distraction in the material realm of work or play, the need for transcendence, solitude and spiritual communion is addressed with the ubiquitous availability and universally endorsed consumption of the drug soma. Soma is an allusion to a ritualistic drink of the same name consumed by ancient Indo-Aryans. In the book, soma is a hallucinogen that takes users on enjoyable, hangover-free "holidays". It was developed by the World State to provide these inner-directed personal experiences within a socially managed context of State-run "religious" organisations; social clubs. The hypnopaedically inculcated affinity for the State-produced drug, as a self-medicating comfort mechanism in the face of stress or discomfort, thereby eliminates the need for religion or other personal allegiances outside or beyond the World State; the book describes it as having "all the advantages of Christianity and alcohol, none of their defects."

Recreational sex is an integral part of society. According to the World State, sex is a social activity, rather than a means of reproduction and, as part of the conditioning process, is encouraged from early childhood. The few women who can reproduce are conditioned to use birth control, even wearing a "Malthusian belt," a cartridge belt holding "the regulation supply of contraceptives" worn as a fashion accessory. The maxim "everyone belongs to everyone else" is repeated often, and the idea of a "family" is considered pornographic. Sexual competition and emotional, romantic relationships are rendered obsolete because they are no longer needed. Marriage, natural birth, parenthood, and pregnancy are considered too obscene to be mentioned in casual conversation. Thus, society has developed a totally different idea of relationships, lifestyle and reproductive comprehension.

Spending time alone is considered an outrageous waste of time and money, and wanting to be an individual is horrifying. Conditioning trains people to consume and never to enjoy being alone, so by spending an afternoon not playing "Obstacle Golf," or not in bed with a friend, one is forfeiting acceptance.

In the World State, people typically die at age 60[14] having maintained good health and youthfulness their whole life. Death is not feared; anyone reflecting upon it is reassured by the knowledge that everyone is happy, and that society goes on. Since no one has family, they have no strong ties to mourn.

The conditioning system eliminates the need for professional competitiveness. People are bred to do their jobs and to enjoy them so they never desire another. There is no competition within castes, since each caste member receives the same workload, the same food, housing, and soma rationing as every other member of that caste. There is no desire to change one's caste, largely because a person's sleep-conditioning reinforces each individual's place in the caste system. To grow closer with members of the same class, citizens participate in mock religious services called Solidarity Services, in which twelve people consume large quantities of soma and sing hymns. The ritual progresses through group hypnosis and climaxes in an orgy.

In geographic areas nonconducive to easy living and consumption, securely contained groups of "savages" are left to their own devices. These are similar to the reservations of land established for the Native American population during the colonisation of North America. These "savages" are beholden of strange customs, including self-mutilation and religion, a mere curio in the outside world.

In its first chapters, the novel describes life in the World State as wonderful and introduces Lenina Crowne and Bernard Marx. Lenina, a hatchery worker, is socially accepted and comfortable with her place in society, while Bernard, a psychologist, is an outcast. Although an Alpha Plus, Bernard is shorter in stature than the average of his caste—a quality shared by the lower castes, which gives him an inferiority complex. His work with sleep-teaching has led him to realise that what others believe to be their own deeply held beliefs are merely phrases repeated to children while they are asleep. Still, he recognises the necessity of such programming as the reason why his society meets the emotional needs of its citizens. Courting disaster, he is vocal about being different, once stating he dislikes soma because he'd "rather be himself." Bernard's differences fuel rumours that he was accidentally administered alcohol while incubated, a method used to keep members of lower classes short.

Bernard's only friend is Helmholtz Watson, an Alpha Plus lecturer at the College of Emotional Engineering (Department of Writing). The friendship is based on their similar experiences as misfits, but unlike Bernard, Watson's sense of loneliness stems from being too gifted, intelligent, handsome, and physically strong. Helmholtz is drawn to Bernard as a confidant: he can talk to Bernard about his desire to write poetry.



.....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World


http://www.idph.com.br/conteudos/ebooks/BraveNewWorld.pdf


The movie : http://vimeo.com/45675847 ( The Brave New World , 1989 )



Disclaimer : The book , its ideas however futuristic for their day and however truthful was written long before most of your current human incarnations were present .
We all have inevitably borrowed some ideas from that book , as our societies did ,
rather than vice versa .
Many of those ideas are observable parts of our 'scientific experiments' to this day and more of them are on plan yet , for human future .

The question ''where do those ideas come from'' is conscious part of global self-inquiry ,
and quite like any real philosophical search, answers take long time to accomplish .

You may find piece of yourself in the narrative ..

[birddog]

Omni, our government is building robots with AI technology. There are several kinds and shapes. One type looks like a Mantis, alien like with Mantis legs. Another is an upright gray AI, and another is a big black one, implanted with a human soul, and also AI. These are supposed to be lethal on contact, as they were built to kill people. There are also machines with AI., built to move without a living driver, all for war.

The following is my observation. It is not meant to be disrespectful.

It seems to me like we are being led to believe that if/when an AI attack occurs, it will be blamed on the Alien races. Look up how many times AI is written in a negative way, with an alien association. It is overkill. It almost looks like someone is being programmed, as we are being reinforced to associate AI (used in a bad way), with the aliens, and this is simply not true.