THE ULTIMATE PLAN (a fairy story... maybe)

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear All,

Please bear with me as, for lack of a better word, I tell this story. I am presenting it in this form because it is so outlandish that it may best be presented as Sci-Fi. But, as we all know, a lot of Sci-Fi is closer to reality than we might sometimes ever know, or wish to be true.

The starting point is this thread of mine, from June 2012:

From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis)

Anyone (after reading for a short while) who is seriously interested in the idea I'm presenting here should read my opening post there in detail.

In the briefest summary, it presents some evidence that those heading what Richard Dolan would call THE BREAKAWAY CIVILIZATION (http://ufodigest.com/article/richard-dolans-breakaway-civilization-and-secret-space-program-who-responsible) may be planning to leave the planet.

The evidence was slim, but it was there, and in my opinion was before us to be considered. However, I was left with all the unanswered questions that many Avalon members intelligently posed in the many pages of post replies that followed.

I never really stopped thinking about it, but I was unable to add any more substance to the idea. So I just left it. And it continued to niggle away at the back of my mind.

Then, a few days ago, a thought occurred to me. It came to me out of almost nowhere, late at night, and jolted me wide awake with such a lightning bolt of energy that I nearly jumped up out of bed, there and then, at half past midnight, to write it all down.

Instead, I decided to sit on it till the morning... when I wondered: Am I NUTS? :)

But I decided that just maybe I was not.

The rest of this is told as a story, as if round a campfire. Listen up, relax (if you can!) and see what might and might not resonate.

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First, the story I want to tell is about the Maasai in Kenya. Many of you know that I've spent quite a lot of time in Africa over the years.

The Maasai are a dignified and distinctive tribe whose land, their own Mother Earth for many thousands of years, is what's now known as the Masai Mara National Reserve. I've been there many times. If anything on this planet would pass for the Garden of Eden, this is it.

http://projectavalon.net/Masai_Mara_collage.jpg

The Masai, like so many other aboriginal, ethnic or ancient native people all over the world, have been displaced from (= forced out of) their ancestral home. It was decided by the Government of Kenya in the 1960s that for the greater good of the country and the land itself, their homeland should be declared a National Park.... and that they should no longer be permitted to live in it.

A familiar story.

Now, let's imagine a fairy story here. Not quite the same story... or is it?

For the Masai Mara, one of the most magnificent and extraordinary pieces of land on the planet, read Planet Earth herself. For the dignified and beleaguered Maasai, read you and me.

Just imagine there was a ruling elite on the planet... like the Government of Kenya, but far, far more powerful, with unimaginable resources, and themselves ancient.

Imagine that this elite consider themselves the guardians of the planet, and the custodians of the human race.

Imagine that they consider that they have the absolute right to make decisions about everything and everybody in what they consider is their domain.

Imagine that the elite have a complex pyramidal power structure. Within that structure, there may be everything one could imagine in the realm of human extremes.

Imagine that there may be greedy, ruthless people; those that we would term psychopaths; those with strange beliefs and practices that we would call evil; those with time and attention only for control, authority, and the deepest self-interest.

Imagine that above ALL of those, there was one individual, the capstone of the pyramid. The Godfather, as it were.

Imagine that this individual considers himself (and is considered to be) 'Royal'.

Imagine that somehow he does not age... or is maybe simply many, many hundreds of years old. He is 'always there'. His name is only known by those in his immediate circle.

Imagine that he is felt to be 'untouchable'. No 'coup' would ever be considered.

Imagine that he observes all in his domain with tolerance and dispassion. He has seen it all. He does not attend the rituals, the 'costume parties', the practices that we would call barbaric, evil and satanic.

Imagine that he just lets that all happen. He lets it all roll. Imagine that he is the ultimate Darwinian theorist: meaning, that if things evolve in a certain way, then it's all natural and 'good'. But of course, the very act of human decision-making is also part of that natural process.

Imagine that this individual is convinced that God does not exist. Otherwise, He would have intervened. Therefore, this man must play God. He considers it his Duty.

Imagine that this individual does not like what he sees. He does not like the destruction of this beautiful planet. He despises the small stupidity of so many humans. He does not endorse the large-scale, destructive, power-grabbing selfishness of those below him in the power structure.

Imagine he is a genuine lover of art, music, nature, philosophy, literature. Imagine he is a man of vision... in his own terms, by his own definition.

Imagine that he has decided he is going to save the planet.

And imagine that is why the ruling elite are planning to EVACUATE the planet.

Imagine that it's been broadly decided, or agreed, or accepted, among the many races of ETs looking on, that Planet Earth should be — and the term sounds trite — a kind of GALACTIC PLANETARY WILDLIFE PARK. A huge nature reserve. For the benefit of all. That the Earth should be allowed to lie fallow, to regenerate, to heal, to recover... which it would, in maybe less than a few hundred years, without the destructive influence of Man.

Imagine that the problem is the 'parasitic infestation' of the rest of the human race.

Imagine that a decision has been made to rid the Earth of this parasite... using the kind of weapons we would use to rid a house of termites, or black mold. (What would we do? We would 'treat the house'... and would leave it for a while until it was EITHER safe to return.... OR we would SELL the house, now in good condition again.)

OR, if it was a beautiful old house, of great historical and cultural interest, with a very beautiful centuries-old garden, maybe the wealthy owners, having fumigated it and restored it to its original condition, would donate it to the nation.

Maybe no-one would live in it at all.

Now. We know that Lockheed Skunk Works Director Ben Rich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Rich) — shortly before he died — said:


"We now have the technology to take ET home"


and


"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.... Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."


These rumors — that we already have the technology to leave the solar system if we wish — have been around for a while, from multiple sources.

I heard personally from Project Camelot witness Gordon Novel (http://projectcamelot.org/gordon_novel.html) that the nephew of a friend of his, an experienced hiker, had personally witnessed a triangular arrowhead-shaped craft in the Utah Desert, that was swallowed up in a hidden underground base in the desert floor — an advanced, manmade craft this big:

http://projectavalon.net/Utah_black_triangle_size_comparison.gif

You can hear Gordon's account of this incident here:

http://projectavalon.net/Gordon_Novel_Coast_to_Coast_AM_Jan_17_2010_Hour_2_extract.mp3
(just two minutes long... must listen)

Gordon, who knew a thing or two, stated that there were 8 (eight) of these giant craft, and this was nearly five years ago. It's reasonable to assume that what Richard Dolan calls the Breakaway Civilization (http://ufodigest.com/article/richard-dolans-breakaway-civilization-and-secret-space-program-who-responsible) may by now be able to amass quite a high-tech wagon train of immense FTL (faster-than-light) craft to relocate their vision of the best of the human race to another "New World" out there... a different kind of New World Order.

Like the 'New World' across the Atlantic in the vision of the sailors in the Mayflower... but with a difference: a New World in the Stars Beyond.

And what of those who failed to make the cut? Well, many have theorized that the ultimate throw of the dice from those who would wish to rid the Earth of its 'pestilence' is a super-plague that would quickly eliminate the great mass of humans.

Remember, for instance (and this is just one of many references), the testimony from 'V's USAF Four Star General whistleblowing insider source (16 July 2014):

'V', the Guerrilla Economist, posts the most important information he's ever shared (4* General reveals 'The Plan') (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73052-V-the-Guerrilla-Economist-posts-the-most-important-information-he-s-ever-shared--4--General-reveals-The-Plan--)

Quote from the transcript: (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73052-V-the-Guerrilla-Economist-posts-the-most-important-information-he-s-ever-shared--4--General-reveals-The-Plan--&p=858115&viewfull=1#post858115)





The second thing that the General said is this: when they bring down the United States in 2017 – when this whole thing comes apart – they have, in key locations in the United States, bioweapons placed.

And the example that he gave me was this. If you have a 33 oz. can of Folgers coffee, and you take that can of coffee and you have this bioagent in there, and all of a sudden you walk into a busy area – let’s say an overpass in Dallas, Texas, or the George Washington Bridge right here in New York, or something similar to that, where you have a very heavy traffic area – and you just happen to open up that Folgers can.

And if the wind outside was about – let’s say about three miles per hour or so – you could have twenty million dead in three days. Twenty million dead in three days.

The General went on to say that this type of bioagent will affect the water, the food, and the air. It will take three days to kill, with a near 98 percent kill ratio – and he said that the initial beta tests are on the pneumonic plague and lowgrade pneumonic plague.

If anyone does not believe this is possible, please download and read this book, THE DEMON IN THE FREEZER by Richard Preston. The PDF (http://projectavalon.net/THE_DEMON_IN_THE_FREEZER_Richard_Preston.pdf) is free.

http://projectavalon.net/THE_DEMON_IN_THE_FREEZER_Richard_Preston_COVER.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/THE_DEMON_IN_THE_FREEZER_Richard_Preston.pdf

So. At this point, our campfire story has maybe three alternative endings:


Imagine that only the elite's version of the 'cream' of the human race is evacuated, while the 'undesirable surplus' is euthanized. (This is the exact plot of the 1979 James Bond film MOONRAKER (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079574/), by the way.) The planet — like the Masai Mara — is now a galactic wildlife reserve, devoid of any humans to ruin it all.



Imagine that most of the humans are eliminated, but not all. Maybe 500,000,000 are left. But such is the chaos and destruction, that it's only those with natural immunity — or who have somehow survived accidentally, or through their own skill, ability and wits — that remain. There might be no industry, no technology, maybe no communications and no electricity. Back to the stone age — nearly.
Maybe that's why Matthew Stein was strongly urged by invisible sources, over 15 years ago, to research and write his very seminal and important book WHEN TECHNOLOGY FAILS (http://whentechfails.com/).



A third possibility, just as unpalatable as the others. Maybe Planet Earth, minus humans, will be turned over to a non-human custodian race, with slightly different ecological/atmospheric requirements — but who are considered responsible enough to take care of the planet, in return for being given a new home.
Like permanent caretakers. Imagine a deal may have been made... to trade planets. (Like a family in California trading their house, complete with furniture, cars, vegetable garden and all household goods, with a similar family in Australia. Deal made? Simple. Just get on a plane with a one-way ticket and your carry-on luggage to start a new life. MUCH easier than on the Mayflower.)


Well... that was my 'download', and so here it is, fully shared. I present it as a bunch of wild ideas... that I am reasonably confident (but do show me I am wrong!) have never been considered before.

I do NOT know if there is even the slightest bit of truth or plausibility in it. This is not based on any inside information or inside sources... except for those few clues mentioned in my ULTIMATE HYPOTHESIS (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis) thread. (Please do carefully read my first post there.)

One of the Avalon moderators suggested I might run all this past Richard Dolan, who I consider a friend. My response was that, yes, I'd be very glad to do so... but that I knew he would not be able to refute it.

Scary stuff, very. But we absolutely have to know what we may just possibly be up against.

Without that — there is no chance of changing anything. All discussion is invited.

:)

[ThePythonicCow]

Someone's packing up to leave this earth ... that I'll agree with. The technical and energetic means to accomplish that journey have been recovered and accumulated over the last few centuries, with increasing momentum and secrecy over the last few decades.

As Catherine Austin Fitts notes, from her high level financial/accounting perspective, it seems we are witnessing a leveraged buy-out, with all the debts and liabilities being gathered on the books of one company, while all the assets and resources are being gathered on the books of the other company. The impending economic and financial collapse of the public global economic and monetary systems will be offset by the accumulation of immense technology, energy and mineral resources by the hidden systems.

It's like a soon to be divorced spouse, watching the community property bank accounts being drained, and the second and third mortgages being taken out on the family home.

However, whether they are "fumigating" the planet to restore its natural beauty, more or less bereft of humans, or whether they are sucking out the last bit of useful resources from the planet, its mineral resources, its energy, its bio-diversity and the genetically engineered slaves (us humans) present herethat's an open question in my mind.

I lean however to the "sucking up what they can, while they can" view ... using the threats of genocide, pandemic, holocaust, and such as part of the means to squeeze what they can out of us, and to maintain control over this herd of half-tamed, half-wild, genetic-mutant, horses known as humanity while they pack for their journey.

If they are also intending to leave some of "their own" behind on this planet, they might also be geo- and bio- engineering earth to make a better "park" for their pleasure, but if doing so, they would have little more respect for the dominant species now here than did the Government of Kenya for the Maasai.

Indeed, one of the implications of the understanding that humans are a genetically engineered mutant slave species is that we are therefore worth little more respect than most members of this forum hold for Monsanto's genetically engineered mutant corn, soy, cotton, wheat and other such plant species.

Better, from that perspective, to rid earth of all its GMO's, plant and human.

To that, I just say "no".

[ThePythonicCow]

Better, from that perspective, to rid earth of all its GMO's, plant and human.

To that, I just say "no".
Never mind that I am cursed with a defective physical genetics - that human DNA has more defects than any other life form on this planet, and that I am already in the last few decades of usefulness from my present physical being.

I am also blessed with a higher awareness, a spirit, a soul - that can and will and should live on.

Unlike some here, I have no conscious knowledge of how this comes to be, but somehow it is and shall be.

[ghostrider]

If the elite want to leave Earth , I would say to them what the plajaren have said , there are many dangers in space , and always someone who carries a bigger club ...

[13th Warrior]

...same premise playing out right now in tonight's episode of "Black list"

[3(C)+me]

Here's my theory, one timeline will be a devastation timeline, the elite TL and they will have to leave or go underground ( unless those bunkers have not been destroyed). Another timeline will be no devastation and we humans will be left to help earth heal it will be easy since the psychopaths will be gone. Something big may will happen and the split in multiple timelines will result. I like the many earths model, it explains a lot and the government is very aware of alternate probabilities.

[Selene]

If indeed the elite are planning to exit this planet – and I cannot reasonably exclude that possibility – I cannot at the same time see how or why they would plan on leaving behind some of their (human) own as “caretakers” of the estate.

• This planet’s control system is Draconian and hierarchically designed: all power flows from the top. It is not a holographic system of self-empowered individuals who have full access to all information and can form feedback loops for decision making. (Not yet, anyway. But the internet may be changing that… for another thread.)

• As a Draconian system, the elite (top of the pyramid) who depart must either:

a) have some remote means of maintaining control over those whom they leave behind as caretakers, or

b) trust that the remaining control layer (and public inertia) will allow these to remain in control for an indefinite period, or

c) be prepared to irrevocably abandon all control of this planet.


• Option a) is certainly possible, and seems the most likely choice.

• Option b) is possible but risky. What if those left in charge proceed in greed to command the planet in toto themselves and later resist the control of their departed masters?

• Option c) is also possible but must presume that the elite will have already gained equivalent control of some other suitable planet for habitation, so that a depleted Earth can be abandoned without regret. The Draconian nature of these elite demands absolute sovereignty of whatever other planet they will have seized before moving there.

The Breakaway Civilization hypothesis makes option c) plausible also. But if so, that will leave remnants of the power structure players (Option b) in place, so some degree of old-style control will likely remain here as the planet is cut loose. It could be theoretically possible to overthrow these less-experienced players, though, with a new paradigm. And whether we can then steer this planet to safety is another question for which I have no answers.

So, in all, damn. I wish this fairy tale didn’t make so much sense, Bill.

Come to think of it, Option a) is exactly what the Draco/Annunaki did do, isn't it? Perhaps a Great Cycle of history is indeed preparing to repeat itself....

Regards,

Selene

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Thank you Bill!
This reminds me of how it was my supervisor in the AF who made me read "Cradle of Saturn".
I will wonder until whatever happens happens, why he asked me to read that book.

Totally about the exocivilization and some reasoning behind the exodus. :( might be crap tho.
hehe! :D

Thanks for having the #### to address this issue!!!!!!

[David Ansible]

Well, I enjoyed reading the story. Whether it has any plausibility, I don't know.
I wonder what their criteria would be for those who "make the cut."

[East Sun]

Alfred Lambremont Webre the author of 'The dimensional Ecology of the Omniverse' and the man claiming to be 1/3 human, 1/3 Reptilian, and 1/3 Mantis Simon Parks have a very different slant on what is coming in 2017, a positive time-line. The PTW missed their chance by not getting their act together by Dec. 2012. That was their deadline.

The PTW are doing everything in their power to promote a full blown scare tactics scheme in every way they can. Don't be fooled by anything they throw at us. This is just my advice and my humble opinion.

Things are sure to get worse before they get better because of the last ditch efforts by the bastards. From now to 2017 are sure to be as bad as we can imagine but we are the ones we have been waiting for. It's up to us to try and inform those who don't know whats coming down the 'Pike that there is light at the end of the tunnel.

We have to be positive above all else. If you have not checked out Simon Parks and Alfred L. Webre now is the time to do it.

[Omni]

Thanks for the history about the tribe in Africa Bill. My views on this topic are these:

The elite likely wouldn't leave behind earth unless a few things happened IMO. They likely wouldn't get along so well together without a common goal, and that goal is to control humanity and maintain or build upon their power. Like someone said(sorry i forget who) the elite aren't particularly united so much as they all have a bottom line. So they can collaborate together with the bottom line in mind while the opposition to tyranny fights amongst themselves etc.

They are at the top of our civilization, why would they leave? They are the kings of the world, I doubt they would give up that title so quickly unless a few scenarios were to happen. I think without the masses to manipulate, they would be in some sort of 'mid-life crisis'. A lack of identity and purpose since they have been doing it so long.

I have been made aware of a possible elite breakaway, the circumstances they would do it in this case, is mainly after global first contact when they are all exposed(or shortly before). Once they are dislodged from power and exposed, I feel they would indeed want to leave this planet. Maybe Dracos have worlds out there specifically for their minions, and sabotaging the race enough gets you a one way ticket. However I wouldn't want to live on such a planet. I don't think it would be very nice to only have people like Rockefellers and Clintons to converse with. They don't seem like very nice people to be around to me. Another scenario of a breakaway civ composed of elites is if this planet is due for a major disaster, and that disaster cannot be avoided. However they didn't say these summaries were all inclusive, in other words I wasn't told every scenario for a breakaway for the elite.

I think Dracos would have transplant worlds of human elite(their created bloodliners) so in cases like our early history, they have humans to cross genetics with other humans. Although that is just a theory of mine it makes sense to me.

[gripreaper]

Interesting story, although it is not new to me and my take has slightly different variables, as does Michael Tsarion and others, let me spin it.

Michael Tsarion, in his “Order of the Black Sun”, which GoodeTXSG referenced recently here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65952-Why-Are-the-Bankers-and-Ex-Intel-Types-Running-For-Their-Lives--Confirmed-for-MONTHS-by-my-vanishing-sources-&p=884360&viewfull=1#post884360) and well worth the 3 hours to watch, which both Paul and myself have done in the last two weeks, highlights the four possible outcomes at the 2 hour and 57 minute mark.

Here is the excerpt, which I find uncanny that someone uploaded this today and I was the first one to view it. Synchronicity anyone?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOMskXyfX9Q
The idea of the breakaway civilization where the alien interlopers leave the planet holds the highest probability. Whether they trash it when they leave in order to destroy all of the evidence, or they leave it for their pure bloodlines and never return, or they use it as a galactic summer cabin wildlife playground to come back to on vacation after they purify it, are all speculation, although all are plausible scenarios.

When Bill references Africa as “The garden of Eden” it triggers my mind to reference Credo Mutwa’s many dialogues he had with David Icke, and how he talked about the pure ancients who still live deep in central Africa, and this caused me to question, why do the elite always start genocide in Africa, and why is almost all of central Africa totally unexplored and vacant from any of our history, and why, as Micheal Tellinger has discovered at Adam’s Calendar, is the extreme antiquity of Africa some 200,000 years ago, which could possibly be during the times of Enlil and Enki, and the original hybridization, not the ones which came from Mesopotamia, at a later hybridization some 12,000 years ago subsequent to the cataclysmic event, the loss of the alien technology, and the great flood. It’s almost as if they are keeping Africa isolated, pure, and unexplored and sacred for some reason. I highly recommend listening to Credo Mutwa. This could be the wildlife preserve scenario.

In Michaels outcome number 2, these interlopers finally realize that they cannot break through the stargate and are interned here indefinitely, and they cull the herd, fully release their draconian totalitarian fascist system, and render the earth inhabitable for their new hybrids which are more docile, subservient, and do not carry the higher brain centers of the cerebrum and cerebellum, and whose pineal glands are completely calcified and atrophied, who can breathe radiated air developed so that those who were forced underground and cannot handle the air as it is, can now come forward to overtly rule, ergo the ancients hidden in Africa. They then enjoy their playground with their perfect hierarchy in place and their perfect slave species under 500 million.

Michael’s scenario 3 is one I think we already played out. You see, back after the first hybrids rebelled on the continent of Mu, which could be related to Africa and the original alien interloping, and left to set up their own culture, the Archon’s then developed the second hybrid race which was more dumbed down, and more technological, on Atlantis. The great war and the great flood which occurred, was caused by the original hybrid Lemurian’s going back to rescue their Atlantean brothers, and the alien interlopers used their atomic technology, creating such heat, it almost completely destroyed the earth and the suspended water from the destroyed planet Tiamat, the photon belt, rained down and flooded the earth, raising the oceans over 300 feet. See Graham Hancocks ”Fingerprints of the Gods”. They lost all their technology in the great cataclysm and have been working to restore it ever since. They have their ties to the astral and those who feed off the energy of the humans. This symbiotic evil and vulgar relationship bears no regard for human sentience and is used only to further their agendas.

So, this lends credence to the hypothesis that we carry in our DNA memory, at a cellular level, the horror of this cataclysm, and we would most likely not choose to recreate that event. WE do carry the visceral scars from that event and this is the discordant energy of fear, anger and grief which these alien interlopers use against us all the time, and keep us dumbed down and away from our indigenous inheritance as full sentient beings, complete with full access to the higher brain centers of the cerebrum and cerebellum.

Scenario number four is the one I subscribe to, and resonates deeply within my DNA. When we decided to play this grand game of opposites, we agreed that the extreme polarities of duality would manifest all manner of polarized states, which would create karma and the reincarnational wheel. The originators of the dream, which are the indigenous empathic sentient souls, agreed that the dharma, the return to source, was assured and the Bodhisattva’s agreed to remain here on earth until every last soul who chose to, would return to source with their differentiated consciousness. Those who chose to remain in the lower frequencies would at some point return to the void undifferentiated, or remain in the wheels of karma and reincarnation on a planet of carnal frequency. The movie "Avatar" comes as close to this scenario that I have seen.

As far as the immortal human, there most definitely could be Archon’s who do not die, ergo the single original Archon Anu. I think they are living in deep central Africa, yet there is also the immortal Babaji who lives high in the Himalayas where all of the ancient scrolls and the Gnostic teaching have been preserved and are available to us when we want them and we want our sovereignty back and we are no longer damaged and victimized by the visceral cellular imprint of the cataclysmic event and we are ready to heal this severed consciousness and the polarized states of duality. Everything in balance, including the immortals.

The game is still on, and we are the ones who wrote the script, and we are the ones who get to choose the outcome.

[Frank V]

Respectfully snipped for brevity's sake... ;-)



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Imagine that above ALL of those, there was one individual, the capstone of the pyramid. The Godfather, as it were.

Imagine that this individual considers himself (and is considered to be) 'Royal'.

Imagine that somehow he does not age... or is maybe simply many, many hundreds of years old. He is 'always there'. His name is only known by those in his immediate circle.

Imagine that he is felt to be 'untouchable'. No 'coup' would ever be considered.

Imagine that he observes all in his domain with tolerance and dispassion. He has seen it all. He does not attend the rituals, the 'costume parties', the practices that we would call barbaric, evil and satanic.

Imagine that he just lets that all happen. He lets it all roll. Imagine that he is the ultimate Darwinian theorist: meaning, that if things evolve in a certain way, then it's all natural and 'good'. But of course, the very act of human decision-making is also part of that natural process.

Imagine that this individual is convinced that God does not exist. Otherwise, He would have intervened. Therefore, this man must play God. He considers it his Duty.

Imagine that this individual does not like what he sees. He does not like the destruction of this beautiful planet. He despises the small stupidity of so many humans. He does not endorse the large-scale, destructive, power-grabbing selfishness of those below him in the power structure.

Imagine he is a genuine lover of art, music, nature, philosophy, literature. Imagine he is a man of vision... in his own terms, by his own definition.

Imagine that he has decided he is going to save the planet.

[...]

So. At this point, our campfire story has maybe three alternative endings:


Imagine that only the elite's version of the 'cream' of the human race is evacuated, while the 'undesirable surplus' is euthanized. (This is the exact plot of the 1979 James Bond film MOONRAKER (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079574/), by the way.) The planet — like the Masai Mara — is now a galactic wildlife reserve, devoid of any humans to ruin it all.



Imagine that most of the humans are eliminated, but not all. Maybe 500,000,000 are left. But such is the chaos and destruction, that it's only those with natural immunity — or who have somehow survived accidentally, or through their own skill, ability and wits — that remain. There might be no industry, no technology, maybe no communications and no electricity. Back to the stone age — nearly.
Maybe that's why Matthew Stein was strongly urged by invisible sources, over 15 years ago, to research and write his very seminal and important book WHEN TECHNOLOGY FAILS (http://whentechfails.com/).



A third possibility, just as unpalatable as the others. Maybe Planet Earth, minus humans, will be turned over to a non-human custodian race, with slightly different ecological/atmospheric requirements — but who are considered responsible enough to take care of the planet, in return for being given a new home.
Like permanent caretakers. Imagine a deal may have been made... to trade planets. (Like a family in California trading their house, complete with furniture, cars, vegetable garden and all household goods, with a similar family in Australia. Deal made? Simple. Just get on a plane with a one-way ticket and your carry-on luggage to start a new life. MUCH easier than on the Mayflower.)


Well... that was my 'download', and so here it is, fully shared. I present it as a bunch of wild ideas... that I am reasonably confident (but do show me I am wrong!) have never been considered before.

[...]


Well, you mention "a person who does not age" - which is quite an intriguing thought worthy of exploration in and of itself, and perhaps tied in with the figure of Anu, the purported leader of the equally purported Annunaki (whoever they really are) - but I would like to add another angle to the perspective. Perhaps similar, but the outcome may be different. I am only thinking out loud here, so bear with me.

The elite - or Illuminati, as we have come to call them - are in control of the planet. For all practical intents and purposes, that is true. And this is also what they themselves believe. However, it is my understanding - from personal experience, and you are free to discard it as such if it doesn't resonate with you - that there is a bigger player involved here. Not an immortal individual posing as a human, and not necessarily any reptilian faction from Alpha Draconis either.

I believe that the beings whom I myself am dealing with - read: fighting against and enduring attacks from - are the ones who are actually (and literally) at the top of the food chain in this game; their game is to simply consume and destroy the planet and everything on it, leaving nothing but a wasteland. They strive for chaos, destruction and perversion. They feed off of suffering, and they are simply put completely unfamiliar with the concepts of respect and love. They only know and see those as strategically exploitable weaknesses in their opponents - us mortals, and all those on our side of the fence. But for all intents and purposes, they are cosmic vampires and utter sociopaths/psychopaths, so while they see love and respect as strategically exploitable vulnerabilities, they do not and cannot understand them. They are demonic in every sense of the word - so long as it is not the religious sense. ;-)

It is my belief, based upon certain signatures in their psyche, that these beings were once like humans, in the sense that they had Free Will, and they have chosen to exercise their Free Will to the fullest - essentially, just like in Satanism as defined by Anton LaVey - and have as such become degenerate specimens of their own species. A bit like Sméagol, the Hobbit who became enchanted by the One Ring and, through its poisonous influence on his psyche, became the degenerate creature called Gollum. I do not believe that these entities would be "physical" as the word is defined here on Earth, but rather that they would be a non-incarnate, ethereal species - much, much older than humanity.

In my understanding, these beings may or may not be the soul collective whence the souls of the purportedly extraterrestrial thirteenth bloodline - or in terms of history, actually the very first bloodline - of the Illuminati came, but they certainly do leave the Illuminati under the impression that they are their non-incarnated siblings. It is therefore not unthinkable that this species uses the Illuminati - whether terrestrial or non-terrestrial in origin - as a tool for generating the suffering on this planet, but that they have no use for the Illuminati anymore after the play-out of cataclysmic events which the Illuminati have in store for us mere Earth dwellers.

I too don't have all the answers, and like I said, I'm only thinking out loud. But to cut this long story short, I believe that there is a possibility of a fourth scenario next to the three you've listed, namely that Earth is just like an orange being squeezed dry, and that there is no intent to save Earth or anything living on it - at least, not among these vampiric entities - after the complete devastation will have been brought upon this planet.

I do however also believe - and this is something which Selene has more or less subconsciously alluded to in post #7 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76226-THE-ULTIMATE-PLAN--a-fairy-story...-maybe-&p=891357&viewfull=1#post891357) and as Omniverse said in post #11 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76226-THE-ULTIMATE-PLAN--a-fairy-story...-maybe-&p=891384&viewfull=1#post891384) - that the beings who are in control, as well as the Illuminati themselves, have one big weakness, namely that they are addicted to that which they are doing. They are addicted to feeding off of sorrow and pain, so they have a natural and irresistible inclination to keep on causing suffering and pain. They may be squeezing out the orange, but they want to make sure that they're drawing every last drop from it. A more innocent analogy to this would be a chess game. Ultimately, the objective is to win, but it's much more fun to play the game than have your opponent resign on the first move, isn't it? ;-)

And the Illuminati certainly love the chess games they are playing; they love the intrigues, the betrayals, the sacrifices, etc. So they are probably going to just keep on playing those games for a while longer. They are after all sadists, so while they may easily have the means to wipe us all out and get it all over and done with, they are enjoying it all too much and are therefore trying to stretch out the middle game and postpone the endgame, thinking that time is on their side and that they have nothing to lose. The arrogance before the fall. That is their weakness.

Of course, this does not mean that we can therefore exploit that weakness all so easily, because - as I wrote in another thread started by you a while ago - we have the inertia of the masses to overcome. That is our weakness. Well, that and the fact that the elite has access to technologies which we don't have, and psychic powers far greater than ours due to their having been initiated and trained in this stuff from birth on, and with more knowledge and experience having been passed down their generations for centuries already, if not thousands of years, even.

So, whether I'm right or wrong, how will it all play out and what are our chances? Well, that's the million <insert currency of your choice here> question, isn't it? In post #6 on this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76226-THE-ULTIMATE-PLAN--a-fairy-story...-maybe-&p=891355&viewfull=1#post891355), cccme made an allusion to different timelines. Well, I do not believe that the timeline we are on will fork off another timeline - at least, not for the majority of us, and not without that time travel technology would be involved - but I do believe that there may be or may have been some significant point on the current timeline where some kind of singularity will or would have manifested. Some say that it was December 21st of 2012, others are now saying 2017, and I'm sure that if no cataclysmic events have taken place by then, it'll be claimed to happen in 2020, 2025 or some other later date. :p

The truth is that I don't really know. None of us do. But I believe that we - whom I for the sake of convenience will now collectively refer to as The Good Guys™ - still have a chance of thwarting whatever The Bad Guys™ have in store for us. I do believe that. However, whether it will be without bloodshed and great loss is not something I'm willing to bet on, and the greater the inertia of the great unwashed masses - whom I shall for convenience refer to now as The Sheeple™ - the harder it will be.

In the end, we must face the sad truth that in order to rebuild society into something that will actually work and in which everyone will have a chance to thrive, it is probably going to be easier to start from scratch and do it right from the ground up, than to have to convert a broken system into something that may or may not work. Or metaphorically put, it is sometimes easier to simply demolish an old house and build a new one in its stead than to patch up that old house and accept all of its legacy problems. Not that I would prefer to see the whole of society destroyed in order to create a new one, mind you! But in all likelihood, trying to rebuild something reliable upon old and shaky foundations might take a longer time and prove much harder in the end than starting anew from scratch.

Which of those two scenarios it will eventually end up being is something we cannot predict at this point in time. All I know is that we too have that deadline to overcome, and that the inertia of the masses, if not broken, is very likely to lead us toward the scenario where the old house gets torn down entirely first before the new house can be built where the old one once stood. Alas.

There is still time. But not all that much anymore. But as J.R.R. Tolkien made me say, "There is always hope!" :-)

[Ulyse30]

(For PA,and Mr,Bill Ryan),(English soon),(messages simplifié)Oui,tout est possible,il n'y a rien d'impossibles,ici en,ces moments !!!!!Je ne veux pas passer pour un autre,mais en même temps que vous énoncez ces paroles,,mes pensées vont ailleurs pour penser à ceci,;"voici une genre de réponse à toutes questions de,";"Comment pouvons nous,nous entendre et résoudre tout les problèmes dans un très court laps de temps,.....????"réponse;(......."c'est d'être dans la sinchronicité des temps actuels,nous humains,nous devons êtres "un"et tous avoir l'esprit ouvert sur les réponses,mais surtout sur les résolutions des problèmes actuels,devenir "UNIS",parmi tout ces désordres,.....etc,les accomplissements de l'impossible,possible,pour des résolutions à longs termes,efficaces,significatives,durables,etc,(pour un meilleur avenir????),.......!!!!").

[sandy]

Sheesh....................never close my mind to any potential/possibility however always go to source and WOW!!

There is much more wonder and power in source (than any entity including humans) that can facilitate what we as a collective manifest in our Universe. So the sooner we grow up and become individually and collectively sovereign within ourselves, exibiting realities of Love Abundance versus material and physical securities the better off those potentialities begin to appear.

Should any of those potentials you downloaded become a reality with our civilization and Mother Earth, Bill, then my 3-6 month stash will be shared and I will be A Okay to move along to another realm not buying into the new created paradigm.

In the meantime, I will keep learning, sharing and loving, while working each day to grow up and take responsibility for the reality within and around me, encouraging others to do the same, for the sake of all that is and is not!!

[Atlas]

NASA administrator Charles Bolden Jr. recently said (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75862-Nasa-Chief-Life-Once-Existed-On-Mars-May-Still-Have-Life.&p=887767&viewfull=1#post887767):


Only multi-planet species survive for long periods of time [...] if this species is to survive indefinitely, we need to become a multi-planet species
If such is the future we envision for humankind, we have no reason to abandon Earth and leave our home planet behind. Yes, we could keep it as a kind of wildlife park and make some room for its other endemic species but do we really need to sacrifice the human population to reach this goal? Is there any way we can avoid the bloodshed?

With a technological level such as the faster-than-light craft witnessed by Gordon Novel, we should be able to quickly colonize dozens of habitable exoplanets. If we on Earth can afford to go back to the stone age as it is our primordial habitat, those of us who will travel to far away distant galaxies may not have this chance. They will have to be prepared to deal with this eventuality in case technology fails.

And if we are lucky enough to succeed, then yes, we may have to share our new homes with various ET species who already live there and we may even have the opportunity to choose the planet we wish to live on, but again, we can't afford to do it in a destructive manner because this behavior might not be tolerated by our galactic neighbors, most probably for security reasons.

In leaving our beautiful blue 'planet of the apes', we will have to deal with the universe which gigantism is like nothing we have ever experienced before. Probably the best is to wish us good luck for the future and the many challenges which will inevitably arise and which we will overcome.

Like ghostrider (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76226-THE-ULTIMATE-PLAN--a-fairy-story...-maybe-&p=891351&viewfull=1#post891351) said:


there are many dangers in space , and always someone who carries a bigger club ...
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[spiritguide]

Interesing theme but the the material aspect (3D), is the basis for conversation. The earth has a spirit and the elementals work as a communications link amongst it's vital whole. Greed and control will not sway the day, for no one owns the universe and universal law is sharing. Just my take on the situation.

Peace!

[william r sanford72]

I would like to add another part to the maybe fairy story..what if some of the ptb woke up..enough to see who there master truly is.what it is.in seing this truth..realizing that they served a master..s that intended to hold no deal or escape clause because there not human.dont think or feel as a human and don't hold to earth bound laws or morals....that they/ptb would be harvested along with the rest.so in fighting begins..cause they realize there master will not hold to terms..why would they???the elite/royal bloodlines... like noahs ark could simply bee stored for repopulation at a later time..why go through the trouble of giving a slave race another planet..???when you have one right here.shoot...mamma earth even cleans up herself given enough time..now to flip it or add another aspect,..adding halloways/viveks solid work and is very close to the mark in my op..lets say another factor comes into play..the earth has an immune system and this immune system is in full gear and building as I type and we/us you and mee..we a part of that immune system despite our treatment and non earth genes..we are still of the earth.manifesting in this timeline..in human bodies on planet earth...I feel this is something the dracos/controllers hadn't counted on or.....will do everything in there power to control..and realizing as they bear down..the harder they push..the stronger we will/are slowly becoming and are now going through..evolution...that's what I hope im seeing in this other fairy story...hope..maybe:thumb:
truth and balance.

[Tangri]

I do not believe they can flew away.

Even though they are cruel, egocentric. Procedures do not work, out side of jurisdiction.
What comes around, that goes around.

PS:There was Costa concordia incident.

[Omni]

I would like to add another part to the maybe fairy story..what if some of the ptb woke up..enough to see who there master truly is.what it is.in seing this truth..realizing that they served a master..s that intended to hold no deal or escape clause because there not human.dont think or feel as a human and don't hold to earth bound laws or morals....that they/ptb would be harvested along with the rest.so in fighting begins..cause they realize there master will not hold to terms..why would they???the elite/royal bloodlines... like noahs ark could simply bee stored for repopulation at a later time..why go through the trouble of giving a slave race another planet..???when you have one right here.shoot...mamma earth even cleans up herself given enough time..now to flip it or add another aspect,..adding halloways/viveks solid work and is very close to the mark in my op..lets say another factor comes into play..the earth has an immune system and this immune system is in full gear and building as I type and we/us you and mee..we a part of that immune system despite our treatment and non earth genes..we are still of the earth.manifesting in this timeline..in human bodies on planet earth...I feel this is something the dracos/controllers hadn't counted on or.....will do everything in there power to control..and realizing as they bear down..the harder they push..the stronger we will/are slowly becoming and are now going through..evolution...that's what I hope im seeing in this other fairy story...hope..maybe:thumb:
truth and balance.
I have a few perspectives about what you say here(at the beginning of your post). The elite of this world are effectively transhuman. Whether transhuman by their own knowledge, and telepathically designing their own AIs(partially), or transhuman via covert mind control by the people above them. That is the fail safe. I know for sure that if a being is under certain transhuman designs, a change of heart is impossible. That is what the Dracos and Greys have done to the elite in human form(the ones that know they are transhuman). Also they have influenced/created in ways their genetics. You could call the negative ETs the fathers of their family's line as well as their tendencies. It is likely that the minionry of the elite goes further than genetics, and the Dracos also choose souls to control, and control the same souls over time. They know how to program a soul over time. So basically I'd say the top of the elite not only have genetics and heritage, they also have likely strategically programmed souls. So even if they were not on transhuman chakra+mind lockdown, I find it hard to give credibility to the thought they could be changed so easily with the deeper end ones(like the ones Dracos would actually talk to personally over their incarnations on earth).

However, I do think a good portion of the ruling class in the world, would change if they knew the ultimate agenda and source of control on earth. However I am quite aware of the methods used by the Dracos/Greys and they are formidable. There is no variable left unconsidered...

I'm not sure how you use the word 'awake'. I personally find knowing the truth as a big part of being awake. And they are aware of the truth on varying levels. I have spoken with some US operatives over the years and they would say they are awake. They just have different values. Non duality type philosophy I'd find something they like, or align with. Saying dark and light and subjective and there is no real dark or light and whatever happens is the same, and doesn't matter. I personally think that is total baloney. I think they use that line of thinking to justify their deeds to themselves sometimes.

Nothing wrong with a little hope that the elite will have a change of heart, and I think that is more possible with the ones that are transhuman without their knowledge. I have been shown simulations after global first contact, of ETs basically opening back up the US operatives hearts, and giving them some of the deepest love feelings possible. I think certain things can be done to change the elite, but due to their origins and circumstances I think advanced ETs is the only source capable of truly changing them. And that process would likely involve some mind control. At the very least deep heart chakra control(via technology).

[linksplatinum]

I personally don't believe that the Universe and Source are going to allow for these parasites to just get away with all of the collateral damages that they have caused. Not to mention all of the homicides, and atrocities that have been comitted for whatever stupid reason there was.

Just the arrogant thought that they believe that they won't be held accountable for any of those crimes, seriously??? They've got to answer for all of that, and I truly doubt that that sickness would be allowed to spread anywhere else in this Universe, or any other if the emissaries of Source have anything to say about that. They'd be wiped out before they could even leave the outer orbit of Earth.

[Tangri]

I personally don't believe that the Universe and Source are going to allow for these parasites to just get away with all of the collateral damages that they have caused. Not to mention all of the homicides, and atrocities that have been comitted for whatever stupid reason there was.

Just the arrogant thought that they believe that there won't be held accountable for any of those crimes, seriously??? They've got to answer for all of that, and I truly doubt that that sickness would be allowed to spread anywhere else in this Universe, or any other if the emmisaries of Source have anything to say about that. They'd be wiped out before they could even leave the outer orbit of Earth.

I do not wish with the,same wording as yours(harsh) but my foreseen out come will be similar.

You can have the privilege of escape pot access but you can not be sure it is working on your salvation.

[linksplatinum]

I personally don't believe that the Universe and Source are going to allow for these parasites to just get away with all of the collateral damages that they have caused. Not to mention all of the homicides, and atrocities that have been comitted for whatever stupid reason there was.

Just the arrogant thought that they believe that they won't be held accountable for any of those crimes, seriously??? They've got to answer for all of that, and I truly doubt that that sickness would be allowed to spread anywhere else in this Universe, or any other if the emissaries of Source have anything to say about that. They'd be wiped out before they could even leave the outer orbit of Earth.

I do not wish with the,same wording as yours(harsh) but my foreseen out come will be similar.

You can have the privilege of escape pot access but you can not be sure it is working on your salvation.

There's no more wasting time being politically correct with this, that time has come and gone.
I just call it how I see it brother...

[Frank V]

I personally don't believe that the Universe and Source are going to allow for these parasites to just get away with all of the collateral damages that they have caused. Not to mention all of the homicides, and atrocities that have been comitted for whatever stupid reason there was.

Just the arrogant thought that they believe that they won't be held accountable for any of those crimes, seriously??? They've got to answer for all of that, and I truly doubt that that sickness would be allowed to spread anywhere else in this Universe, or any other if the emissaries of Source have anything to say about that. They'd be wiped out before they could even leave the outer orbit of Earth.

Actually, overt outside intervention is not allowed for ethical reasons. Imagine what would happen if (to humans) physically perceivable beings were to overtly show themselves here in such a way that the mainstream media and the governments of the world could no longer deny, not only their existence, but their involvement with humanity. Think of an overt landing of an extraterrestrial spaceship at Times Square in London or the Place de la Concorde in Paris - it doesn't always have to be the White House lawn, people. :p

Belief systems would be destroyed or overturned in the blink of an eye. People - remember: we are dealing with The Sheeple™ here - would look upon these extraterrestrial beings as the New Messiahs and would immediately entrust them with power and credibility just as easily as they are entrusting governments with power and the mainstream media with credibility. After all, these visitors would be Advanced Beings™, you know - beings who had overcome all of the petty difficulties that humans are still struggling with. Or so The Sheeple™ would believe.

Well, it doesn't work that way. ETs definitely have their own problems to deal with. They're just different problems from the ones that humanity is still struggling with today.

Such an intervention in Earth's affairs would be wrong, and as such, ethically forbidden. It would be a violation of Free Will and sovereignty, plus that it would also open up another door for abuse by less benevolent extraterrestrials. And that in itself would then - in addition to the imminent problem of having to fight an overtly extraterrestrial enemy - create additional problematic scenarios in the long run, such as paranoia against anything that comes from outer space in an advanced craft, just like there now is paranoia against Muslims and against the Russians, thanks to the mainstream media and the western political leaders.

That in itself would play right into the plans of The Powers That Be™. More scaremongering and more call for military action and protection. More xenophobia and cowardice. "Please, protect us. Here, take away our freedom if you must, but protect us from the Communists, from Fidel Castro, from Saddam Hussein, from Al Qaeda, from global warming, from North Korea, from Hugo Chavez, from Iran, from Putin, and from the ETs."





First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew."

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

-- Martin Niemöller



Source has therefore decided that intervention on Earth, while needed, was to come in another form, namely in the form of so-called "advanced" souls from all over the universe - as well as a few that aren't actually from any universe at all, beings who had never left the vicinity of Source - and these souls were to incarnate here on Earth in a physically human body, and to live among humans, completely oblivious to their own origins and their mission. Later in life, their origins and mission would be revealed to them via synchronicities, or possibly via direct and personal extraterrestrial contact in one form or another, or by other forms of awakening - e.g. hypnotic regressions.

These souls would not stand up to become leaders or revolutionaries at the global stage, but they would work silently behind the scenes, by subconsciously and consciously vibrationally influencing the people around them, energetically nudging those into a higher state of consciousness. An awakening, if you will. After all, the objective was and still is to have humanity reclaim its Free Will and its sovereignty. Leading the horse to the water, but leaving it up to the horse whether it wants to drink or not.

The Emissaries and Volunteers do not seek revenge on behalf of the evil done to humanity, because they know that revenge does not pay off in any way. Punishment for the sake of punishment is wrong, and it's a waste of energy. Karma will handle itself, and those who have done to Earth and its inhabitants what they've been doing for thousands of years already and what they're still doing today, will have to face the consequences of their actions on their own. Karma - which is the restoration of the harmony between energies - will make that happen. It's Source's way of teaching the bad students some manners, if you will.

What the Emissaries and Volunteers do care about however is that very same restoration of balance and harmony. They seek to spread love, to share information, to teach, to restore the environment, to protect, and to advise. And many do all of this subconsciously, while living as humans, living seemingly normal human lives, but acting from the depths of their hearts. Others - those who have awoken to a higher degree - will also do this consciously - not just from the heart, but also from the mind - by writing books, starting communities, handing out leaflets on some street corner, creating music or other artwork that plays into people's energetic patterns and/or makes people think things over, etc. And it's not just Emissaries and Volunteers who are doing this. The people whose hearts and minds the Emissaries and Volunteers could touch will in turn also start doing these things, and the ripple will spread out.




As an example, only a few hours ago, I have watched a video and heard the music of Maya Rose (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?24068-Maya-Rose) - whom I am honored to have on my friends list - as posted on YouTube by moderator Christine via her Faces of Avalon channel. The description Christine wrote underneath the video said that Maya Rose's music and voice had healing and protective effects, and I can testify that this is absolutely correct. Just that one song, that one video, has made me feel a lot stronger in these past hours, and more resilient against the psionic attacks with which I am constantly being bombarded. I hereby wish to extend my gratitude to Maya Rose herself, and to Christine for making that beautiful song available on YouTube.

[MalteseKnight]

•Imagine that only the elite's version of the 'cream' of the human race is evacuated, while the 'undesirable surplus' is euthanized. (This is the exact plot of the 1979 James Bond film MOONRAKER, by the way.) The planet — like the Masai Mara — is now a galactic wildlife reserve, devoid of any humans to ruin it all.

I think it is very important to study the predictive programming vis a vis the end game scenario as depicted in in SKYFALL. Hint remember the piglet and the dialogue associated with it . What's more Bond 24 will be a continuation of SKYFALL.

http://moviepilot.com/movies/660009-bond-24?show_more=true&lt_source=external,manual

Think I will make a bee line for the cinema as soon as its released :plane:. And yes, I will be taking a pen and note pad with me into the theatre.

M.K.

[KaiLee]

I'm not a "believer" of the plaedian messages. However, reading some of the original book I noted that Earth is considered a LIBRARY. There is is also a distinct refusal, in the book, to disclose the plaedian ultimate agenda.

So, what does one do with a library?
Preserve information
Share information
And my local library regularly discards outdated information and damaged information. It also discards information simply because it doesn't have space. Some books are removed even if they aren't out of date or damaged. Criteria is based on user history.

Im not comfortable with the whole alien agenda thing. I lean more to the false flag theory. But, I've never been able to forget parts of the original plaedian book.

[Cidersomerset]

I'm glad you posted this story after I went to bed last night otherwise
I would of had stranger dreams than usual ...LOL. I resonate with all
your thoughts and can see where they have led to your possible
conclusions and scenarios .Do I agree with them ? Like most who
have followed the white rabbit down the 'Rabbit Hole' the possibilities
are endless . I love Science Fiction and all these events have
been thought of and played out in books and movies over the last
200 years. Were they planted/ programmed there ? Or are we
the gods creating this reality as we go along in a eternal maitrix
fashion where our bodies experience this reality and our non-physical
exists on the Astral plane. Or are we the product of ET biological
experiment, there are many theories and its because of forums
like Avalon we can discuss them rationally in a safe from ridicule
'class room' so to speak without to much disruption from the
enivitable class clowns/bullies or whatever you want to call them,
but it does not inhibit lively debate at times. Anyway I degress
and this bedtime story of yours Bill could as George RR Martin
says about his novel the 'Song of Ice and Fire' keeps growing
in the telling and he not sure how many books will be in the
eventual seeries 7 possibly 8 ?

After all that I wanted to post a thought, I posted several weeks
ago and by coincidence reposted on another thread last night..



This reminds me of a post I put on a thread several weeks ago, although this theory
may not be correct , the creation of the Battle of Armageddon is possibly one
of those events that the TPTB maybe looking to create.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76047-Biblical-Armageddon-is-CIA-MI-6-Mossad-False-Flag-&p=891256#post891256


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Re: Military Intervention being discussed to stop the spread..


Hi Bob I know this is off the wall and pure 'rabbit hole ' stuff, but what keeps coming
to mind is the possible clearance of Africa. I know this is unlikely and illogical but......

In Kerry's Project Camelot interview with Captain Philips , she says he told her that
Africa has been given to a ET race to colonise.

I don't know if it was part or the whole continent. This does sound far fetched
but if there was nuclear war involving Israel . The creation of the battle of
Armageddon on the plains of Meggido set up by TPTB. This could effect areas of
North Africa if designed to do so.

http://www.acceptingtruth2012.com/valley_of_megiddo.jpg


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West , Central and Eastern Africa by the spread of Ebola.

http://www.mapsofworld.com/thematic-maps/maps/ebola-outbreak.jpg


I know cures are being developed and tested and some already work , and there
are plenty of other theories to what is going on with Ebola .....
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Is the Aids virus still rampant in South Africa ?

The New York Times....

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/26/health/aids-south-africa-success-pepfar.html?_r=0


http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/7/18/1405701907920/a183d806-69d2-4c2e-9a74-9875dc15d0ea-460x276.jpeg

It just so happened some of the passengers on MH17 were experts going to an Aids conference

http://newsfirst.lk/english/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Aids-Doctor.jpg


This is all speculation and probably wrong. But you must admit its a script to a classic sky fy thriller movie...LOL

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Oh there was one a few years ago set in South Africa about Aliens landing there...


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District 9 (2009) Trailer (Sharlto Copley, Jason Cope, Nathalie Boltt)


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74541-Military-Intervention-being-discussed-to-stop-the-spread..&p=872573#post872573

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I know there have been threads about these stones , but do we know who ? and
Why ? put them up definitely ?.....All events must be put in plain site before
they are enacted ,which seems to be some sort of condition ?


•Imagine that most of the humans are eliminated, but not all. Maybe 500,000,000 are left

j_jz5c3GVVg

http://www.infowars.com/mysterious-georgia-guidestones-get-strange-2014-update/

another short vid about them...

Man Behind the Georgia Guidestones Speaks Out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzARcrxKT4A

Published on 6 Nov 2012

The Man Behind the Mysterious Georgia Guidestones Speaks Out. Few people know
he actually wrote a book and sent copies to every member of Congress and
other "people of influence"
Video by Mark Dice.
http://www.Facebook.com/MarkDice
http://www.Twitter.com/MarkDice

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

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I do NOT know if there is even the slightest bit of truth or plausibility in it. This is not based on any inside information or inside sources... except for those few clues mentioned in my ULTIMATE HYPOTHESIS (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis) thread. (Please do carefully read my first post there.)

One of the Avalon moderators suggested I might run all this past Richard Dolan, who I consider a friend. My response was that, yes, I'd be very glad to do so... but that I knew he would not be able to refute it.

Scary stuff, very. But we absolutely have to know what we may just possibly be up against.

Without that — there is no chance of changing anything. All discussion is invited.

:)


Hi Bill. Interesting ideas. They certainly got me thinking. I have a question: now that all this time has passed and because the original thread you linked to mentions him, what are your thoughts on "Charles" nowadays?

[cursichella1]

I admire Richard Dolan a lot and do buy into his Breakaway Civilization theories as it makes sense for the most part. What I have trouble accepting is that the elite would voluntarily leave earth (still quite a paradise, despite the trashing) unless they were headed for something much better or at least something swank, if temporary.

It is also difficult to fathom that they'd so readily toss the rest of us. Not because they care, but because they have no power or control if they have no minions, only each other. I mean, where's the fun in that for a psychopath?

I'm starting to think that the frantic aerial spraying (chemtrails) is not for geoengineering (or slow poisoning for that matter), only that we're supposed to be thinking that. It is as if they're altering the atmosphere for some other reason? To make it more inhabitable for other life forms (whether a vibrational thing or a breathing issue)? Maybe a dna activation for them that would require that new type of atmosphere? Maybe a necessity that would be used with HAARP technology to thwart an anticipated outside threat or alternatively, to bring on a "big disaster" (like some believe caused the Japan quake and tsunami - perhaps testing...), in which case their departure would be a temporary one. Just long enough for some crew (stashed away in safe bunkers) to clean up the mess before they get back.

All much more fascinating scenarios than the current run-of-the-mill ebola fiasco...lol. Thanks for starting the thread, Bill, and to all that are sharing their thoughts, too.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I wonder what 2017 will bring?

[Cidersomerset]

I had a Richard Dolan update a few days ago and
there are several very good recent interviews with
Richard on the thread , giving his views and thoughts
on many related subjects.....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76052-Richard-Dolan-Reclaiming-our-Destiny-from-a-Lifetime-of-Truth-Suppression-Richard-Linda&p=889551#post889551
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I was in the mood for a bit of Rich Dolan and this is from alternate energy
confererncewhen he spoke to an audience of non UFO enthusiasts and gave a good
presentation.incorporating his UFO research and tying it in with energy
breakthrough and other related topics...

This is an intro vid to the presentation below it.....

Richard Dolan Speaks at the Breakthrough Energy Movement Conference

wtFHXmUHAC8

Thanks to Richard Dolan Published on Aug 30, 2013
https://www.youtube.com/user/RichardM...
Richard Dolan - Reclaiming our destiny from a lifetime of truth suppression
Our future has been held hostage by the suppression of important truths. For
seventy years, the U.S. military, and other militaries, have encountered what we
call UFOs, and have been secretly studied the related technology. However these
objects move from Point A to Point B, it is not via petroleum, and hence they pose
a revolutionary prospect to our global infrastructure and all forms of life on Earth.
This suppression has gone for so long that we tend to think it will last forever. It
not. Our civilization is rapidly moving toward a destination that will unveil deep,
profound truths, some pleasant, others not.
Historian and author Richard Dolan starts here and goes deeper than ever before to
analyze the structure of power and secrecy that has enveloped our world, and
describes active measures we can take to reclaim our freedom.
http://globalbem.com/
http://www.globalbemvoices.com/

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76052-Richard-Dolan-Reclaiming-our-Destiny-from-a-Lifetime-of-Truth-Suppression-Richard-Linda&p=889551#post889551

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Apart from the relatively recent interviews I put on the thread link above.

I noticed this one who's title seems appropriate for this thread....LOL

Richard Dolan On The Tall Whites And Break Away Civilization

HRcLmleN3wM

Published on 6 Feb 2014

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XCon 2005 - Charles Hall - The Tall Whites - ET Experiences in the Nevada Desert



http://www.ufopsi.com/ufoph/tallwhites1.jpghttp://www.exopoliticsohio.us/images/Tall%20Whites.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?50137-XCon-2005-Charles-Hall-The-Tall-Whites-ET-Experiences-in-the-Nevada-Desert

[Feritciva]

This is an important theory (rather than a fairy tale) Bill! I have some questions in my mind - as some of the previous posters already mentioned;

1) Why would elites or parasites run away or leave if they didn't find - or been promised - of a better planet or environment? I don't believe they can be fooled or misled by any bigger players which Aragorn mentioned in his post #24. So were they promised of somewhere else? Were they promised to come back to this planet after cleaning is over?

2) Why would "cosmic planners" - whoever they are - want an empty barren planet as "national park" if there's no "wild life" in it? At the end, what would anyone observe or win or have from here if there are no experiencers like us? They would go & observe Saturn or Jupiter instead - there are more environmental excitement there anyway!

3) I've heard a lot about open intervention not being ethical or not being allowed. But didn't this happen in this planet on 3rd dimension? I strongly believe that today's life is not what's intended originally when this planet - or experiment humanity- began. So there was an intervention somewhere - in disadvantage of human beings. Or there is another -more depressing- alternative, it was really us who messed up and corrupted here. Agent Smith in Matrix movie might be right; we're acting as viruses. If so, the custodians might be planning a wipe-out and this might be appropriate with cosmic laws.. (yep, depressing thought!)

[ulli]

I can see complications arising...
Imagining here. So their original plan was to go underground. They first built an underground world, with transportation and farms and five star hotels. This was how they were going to survive nuclear wars, or asteroid impact, or even their bio weapons wars which they will use to kill the great unwashed.
So now some of their trophy wives ( in the sixties) at least those who suffer from claustrophobia say, after getting wind of this plan " I'm NOT going down there!!! I won't! You will have to come out with something better!"

So maybe there were several elite husband scratching their heads now.
And since money is no object, and their ET friends are lending a helping hand they have come up with the option to evacuate.
But who is going underground, and who is going to take off?

I've had glimpses of how the elite operate- of their neuroses, of their internal competitiveness, their impatience. I was making dresses for them once, a long time ago. How hysterical they become over seating arrangements.
Oh, and not to forget...they also have kids in college....

Their only sense of unity comes from their common enemy: the underbelly of humanity.

[Hervé]

Bill, that's a tale mythologies are made of :)

Here is my take, trying to keep it the simplest possible...

... the whole of the insanity we all are witnessing going on around this planet stems from one single belief (for some) or knowledge (for others):


"Après nous: la fin du monde!"
(The end of times is upon us)


That's what my grandma used to say... couple that with the most basic of home economics of keeping one's eggs in different baskets and all three scenarii make sense:


1) underground

2) surface

3) space


The above belief/knowledge explains the trashing and depleting of the planet's resources as in scavenging what's of any use from a building slated for demolition... not even worth fumigating.

To me, it seems the "controllers" retained a knowledge of records from the past describing catastrophes occurring at regular intervals... and assuming/expecting the one coming to be of similar nature and intensity... and how to deal with it...

... hence get 'em eggs:


1) underground

2) on the surface

3) out of the solar system


The implementation of all these then becomes a matter of mere logistics and how to modify the lie for the different levels of implementation required.

[Baby Steps]

When the dark elite speaks, you can hear the millennial perspective in their views-so if not near immortal, I was thinking 'dark avatar', a being with total past life memory & continuity!
The message I got many times from some time ago was 'STAY WITH THE EARTH' and it had me wondering why would I leave?
If this elite is being allowed to evacuate, they may also be considering a scenario where they lose their power here and we flip into the good timeline! I also feel that there will be the offer of other mass evacuations, that may be in fact giant soul abductions. This would be the promised relocation of those who had not outgrown 3d to a planet where they can continue their deliberations.
THEY KNOW THEIR TIME IS UP!
BACK TO NATURE!
STAY WITH THE EARTH!
The Meek shall inherit.
xx
PS. Dark entities can have a contract in alignment with the duality in our hearts. It may be that this is ending and we are graduating. Rulers seem to be dark, this may have been their domain, but perhaps for not much longer.

[Joe Akulis]

"Scary stuff, very. But we absolutely have to know what we may just possibly be up against."

Bill, Bill, Bill.

You're always hanging out in the part of the hospital where the doctors occasionally lose people. Where you often hear things like, "Okay, let's call it. Mark the time." Everyone's journey in their current human bodies will come to an end. But you often miss the goings on at the other end of the hospital where all the new journeys are just beginning. People are born in hospitals too. Take some time in that area to recharge your perspectives some, old man!

You suggest there could be moves underway to restore our home world to a greater state. And then dwell on what that means to those of us living here. But you aren't taking your thoughts far enough ahead. After you leave your current avatar, and spend some time on the other side of the veil, where many of these ETs are operating from to begin with... After a short siesta, wouldn't you want to come back and check the place out and experience it after it has been placed under better management?

If you're worried that we might never be able to come back, and that's a definite possibility, then you should feel better about your experiences here than a lot of us, but I don't sense that coming through your posts. You've seen places that resemble a garden of eden. You can take that with you. A lot of us can't.

We need to spend as much time dwelling on the bright sides of these possible scenarios too, ya know. :-) And I definitely see lots of positive aspects to things, if they unfold like you're theorizing about here.

Seeker

[Wind]

I wonder what 2017 will bring?

Hopefully a new beginning and end to this insanity.

[sheme]

I don't find any of your story fanciful at all Bill. A little bit dull perhaps but not impossible. :o
My own light bulb has been flashing lately- I can recommend the Mythi videos for credible information about our projected future- I know you do not approve of these kinds of enlightenment.

I can only say that everyone of my intuitive bells rings harmoniously when I hear this advanced being- Be he human or otherwise no matter -the videos cover all subjects and present what I believe to be a truthful and basically accurate account about what is happening -all outcomes are subject to unknown superior intervention from a "Galactic Council". But the basic tale is I believe the truth from this entities eyes. If you want to listen to a good sci-fi/fact story written by a person of obviously superior intelligence you can't do better than listen to the videos. I look forward to our future as I feel the best is yet to come.

Perhaps we are all barking up the wrong tree.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts Bill -appreciated.

[Heartsong]

The Elite Class are only elite because there exists a Non-Elite Class. If they all go underground or fly away leaving the Non-Elite behind, who will take out their garbage, plant the seeds, chop wood, carry water?

[Camilo]

This is no fairy story by any means. What the planners of this sharade are totally ignoring in their arrogance and ignorance is, that there are far superior and powerful forces that created this planet, this solar system, this galaxy and this universe, and that there are rules that dictate how all these creation operates, and these forces aren't going to allow these small group of psychopaths to disrupt what is in place at all.

[linksplatinum]

I personally don't believe that the Universe and Source are going to allow for these parasites to just get away with all of the collateral damages that they have caused. Not to mention all of the homicides, and atrocities that have been comitted for whatever stupid reason there was.

Just the arrogant thought that they believe that they won't be held accountable for any of those crimes, seriously??? They've got to answer for all of that, and I truly doubt that that sickness would be allowed to spread anywhere else in this Universe, or any other if the emissaries of Source have anything to say about that. They'd be wiped out before they could even leave the outer orbit of Earth.

Actually, overt outside intervention is not allowed for ethical reasons. Imagine what would happen if (to humans) physically perceivable beings were to overtly show themselves here in such a way that the mainstream media and the governments of the world could no longer deny, not only their existence, but their involvement with humanity. Think of an overt landing of an extraterrestrial spaceship at Times Square in London or the Place de la Concorde in Paris - it doesn't always have to be the White House lawn, people. :p

Belief systems would be destroyed or overturned in the blink of an eye. People - remember: we are dealing with The Sheeple™ here - would look upon these extraterrestrial beings as the New Messiahs and would immediately entrust them with power and credibility just as easily as they are entrusting governments with power and the mainstream media with credibility. After all, these visitors would be Advanced Beings™, you know - beings who had overcome all of the petty difficulties that humans are still struggling with. Or so The Sheeple™ would believe.

Well, it doesn't work that way. ETs definitely have their own problems to deal with. They're just different problems from the ones that humanity is still struggling with today.

Such an intervention in Earth's affairs would be wrong, and as such, ethically forbidden. It would be a violation of Free Will and sovereignty, plus that it would also open up another door for abuse by less benevolent extraterrestrials. And that in itself would then - in addition to the imminent problem of having to fight an overtly extraterrestrial enemy - create additional problematic scenarios in the long run, such as paranoia against anything that comes from outer space in an advanced craft, just like there now is paranoia against Muslims and against the Russians, thanks to the mainstream media and the western political leaders.

That in itself would play right into the plans of The Powers That Be™. More scaremongering and more call for military action and protection. More xenophobia and cowardice. "Please, protect us. Here, take away our freedom if you must, but protect us from the Communists, from Fidel Castro, from Saddam Hussein, from Al Qaeda, from global warming, from North Korea, from Hugo Chavez, from Iran, from Putin, and from the ETs."





First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew."

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

-- Martin Niemöller



Source has therefore decided that intervention on Earth, while needed, was to come in another form, namely in the form of so-called "advanced" souls from all over the universe - as well as a few that aren't actually from any universe at all, beings who had never left the vicinity of Source - and these souls were to incarnate here on Earth in a physically human body, and to live among humans, completely oblivious to their own origins and their mission. Later in life, their origins and mission would be revealed to them via synchronicities, or possibly via direct and personal extraterrestrial contact in one form or another, or by other forms of awakening - e.g. hypnotic regressions.

These souls would not stand up to become leaders or revolutionaries at the global stage, but they would work silently behind the scenes, by subconsciously and consciously vibrationally influencing the people around them, energetically nudging those into a higher state of consciousness. An awakening, if you will. After all, the objective was and still is to have humanity reclaim its Free Will and its sovereignty. Leading the horse to the water, but leaving it up to the horse whether it wants to drink or not.

The Emissaries and Volunteers do not seek revenge on behalf of the evil done to humanity, because they know that revenge does not pay off in any way. Punishment for the sake of punishment is wrong, and it's a waste of energy. Karma will handle itself, and those who have done to Earth and its inhabitants what they've been doing for thousands of years already and what they're still doing today, will have to face the consequences of their actions on their own. Karma - which is the restoration of the harmony between energies - will make that happen. It's Source's way of teaching the bad students some manners, if you will.

What the Emissaries and Volunteers do care about however is that very same restoration of balance and harmony. They seek to spread love, to share information, to teach, to restore the environment, to protect, and to advise. And many do all of this subconsciously, while living as humans, living seemingly normal human lives, but acting from the depths of their hearts. Others - those who have awoken to a higher degree - will also do this consciously - not just from the heart, but also from the mind - by writing books, starting communities, handing out leaflets on some street corner, creating music or other artwork that plays into people's energetic patterns and/or makes people think things over, etc. And it's not just Emissaries and Volunteers who are doing this. The people whose hearts and minds the Emissaries and Volunteers could touch will in turn also start doing these things, and the ripple will spread out.




As an example, only a few hours ago, I have watched a video and heard the music of Maya Rose (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?24068-Maya-Rose) - whom I am honored to have on my friends list - as posted on YouTube by moderator Christine via her Faces of Avalon channel. The description Christine wrote underneath the video said that Maya Rose's music and voice had healing and protective effects, and I can testify that this is absolutely correct. Just that one song, that one video, has made me feel a lot stronger in these past hours, and more resilient against the psionic attacks with which I am constantly being bombarded. I hereby wish to extend my gratitude to Maya Rose herself, and to Christine for making that beautiful song available on YouTube.

I completely agree with your comments above, I should have been more clear about what I meant though. In the hypothetical event that Terra and all of its inhabitants were left for dead, and they, the Breakaways tried to leave, then the scenario I depicted I feel, would be what I think would happen. But then again, Source may have other plans all together too, that's really not for me to decide.

[Baby Steps]

The Elite Class are only elite because there exists a Non-Elite Class. If they all go underground or fly away leaving the Non-Elite behind, who will take out their garbage, plant the seeds, chop wood, carry water?

Reminds me of the hitch hikers guide to the Galaxy- maybe the elite are building the ships to get rid of the pen pushers,accountants and hair dressers!

[Frank V]

I personally don't believe that the Universe and Source are going to allow for these parasites to just get away with all of the collateral damages that they have caused. Not to mention all of the homicides, and atrocities that have been comitted for whatever stupid reason there was.

Just the arrogant thought that they believe that they won't be held accountable for any of those crimes, seriously??? They've got to answer for all of that, and I truly doubt that that sickness would be allowed to spread anywhere else in this Universe, or any other if the emissaries of Source have anything to say about that. They'd be wiped out before they could even leave the outer orbit of Earth.

Actually, overt outside intervention is not allowed for ethical reasons. Imagine what would happen if (to humans) physically perceivable beings were to overtly show themselves here in such a way that the mainstream media and the governments of the world could no longer deny, not only their existence, but their involvement with humanity. Think of an overt landing of an extraterrestrial spaceship at Times Square in London or the Place de la Concorde in Paris - it doesn't always have to be the White House lawn, people. :p

Belief systems would be destroyed or overturned in the blink of an eye. People - remember: we are dealing with The Sheeple™ here - would look upon these extraterrestrial beings as the New Messiahs and would immediately entrust them with power and credibility just as easily as they are entrusting governments with power and the mainstream media with credibility. After all, these visitors would be Advanced Beings™, you know - beings who had overcome all of the petty difficulties that humans are still struggling with. Or so The Sheeple™ would believe.

Well, it doesn't work that way. ETs definitely have their own problems to deal with. They're just different problems from the ones that humanity is still struggling with today.

Such an intervention in Earth's affairs would be wrong, and as such, ethically forbidden. It would be a violation of Free Will and sovereignty, plus that it would also open up another door for abuse by less benevolent extraterrestrials. And that in itself would then - in addition to the imminent problem of having to fight an overtly extraterrestrial enemy - create additional problematic scenarios in the long run, such as paranoia against anything that comes from outer space in an advanced craft, just like there now is paranoia against Muslims and against the Russians, thanks to the mainstream media and the western political leaders.

That in itself would play right into the plans of The Powers That Be™. More scaremongering and more call for military action and protection. More xenophobia and cowardice. "Please, protect us. Here, take away our freedom if you must, but protect us from the Communists, from Fidel Castro, from Saddam Hussein, from Al Qaeda, from global warming, from North Korea, from Hugo Chavez, from Iran, from Putin, and from the ETs."





First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew."

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

-- Martin Niemöller



Source has therefore decided that intervention on Earth, while needed, was to come in another form, namely in the form of so-called "advanced" souls from all over the universe - as well as a few that aren't actually from any universe at all, beings who had never left the vicinity of Source - and these souls were to incarnate here on Earth in a physically human body, and to live among humans, completely oblivious to their own origins and their mission. Later in life, their origins and mission would be revealed to them via synchronicities, or possibly via direct and personal extraterrestrial contact in one form or another, or by other forms of awakening - e.g. hypnotic regressions.

These souls would not stand up to become leaders or revolutionaries at the global stage, but they would work silently behind the scenes, by subconsciously and consciously vibrationally influencing the people around them, energetically nudging those into a higher state of consciousness. An awakening, if you will. After all, the objective was and still is to have humanity reclaim its Free Will and its sovereignty. Leading the horse to the water, but leaving it up to the horse whether it wants to drink or not.

The Emissaries and Volunteers do not seek revenge on behalf of the evil done to humanity, because they know that revenge does not pay off in any way. Punishment for the sake of punishment is wrong, and it's a waste of energy. Karma will handle itself, and those who have done to Earth and its inhabitants what they've been doing for thousands of years already and what they're still doing today, will have to face the consequences of their actions on their own. Karma - which is the restoration of the harmony between energies - will make that happen. It's Source's way of teaching the bad students some manners, if you will.

What the Emissaries and Volunteers do care about however is that very same restoration of balance and harmony. They seek to spread love, to share information, to teach, to restore the environment, to protect, and to advise. And many do all of this subconsciously, while living as humans, living seemingly normal human lives, but acting from the depths of their hearts. Others - those who have awoken to a higher degree - will also do this consciously - not just from the heart, but also from the mind - by writing books, starting communities, handing out leaflets on some street corner, creating music or other artwork that plays into people's energetic patterns and/or makes people think things over, etc. And it's not just Emissaries and Volunteers who are doing this. The people whose hearts and minds the Emissaries and Volunteers could touch will in turn also start doing these things, and the ripple will spread out.




As an example, only a few hours ago, I have watched a video and heard the music of Maya Rose (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?24068-Maya-Rose) - whom I am honored to have on my friends list - as posted on YouTube by moderator Christine via her Faces of Avalon channel. The description Christine wrote underneath the video said that Maya Rose's music and voice had healing and protective effects, and I can testify that this is absolutely correct. Just that one song, that one video, has made me feel a lot stronger in these past hours, and more resilient against the psionic attacks with which I am constantly being bombarded. I hereby wish to extend my gratitude to Maya Rose herself, and to Christine for making that beautiful song available on YouTube.

I completely agree with your comments above, I should have been more clear about what I meant though. In the hypothetical event that Terra and all of its inhabitants were left for dead, and they, the Breakaways tried to leave, then the scenario I depicted I feel, would be what I think would happen. But then again, Source may have other plans all together too, that's really not for me to decide.

Well, I would like to believe that this is exactly why Source has sent us - i.e. the Emissaries and Volunteers - or perhaps better put, that the very fact that we are here and in this day and age is the very manifestation of Source's intervention itself, and by consequence, that the planned cataclysmic event(s) will not happen. I think Source would not waste its energy intervening in something if Source were not convinced that this intervention would pay off exactly as planned.

Of course, we do not know what is planned - neither by The Bad Guys™, nor by Source. But that is where one must have a little faith, or perhaps just hope. Faith in ourselves and in Source's wisdom. Hoping for the best, while expecting the worst.


In the end, there can be only one. -- "Highlander"

But the game isn't over yet, my friend. Not quite. ;-)

[AuCo]

I am going to rub a lot of folks the wrong way. Nevertheless, Bill said all views are welcome. So, here is mine:

I say we are on the brink of all out war among ourselves because we are at war with another greater foe. Someone in the know is doing everything for the survival of our species. Yes, I do have more faith in the PTB while most if not all view them no less than pure evil.

If Earth is to be dumped then why building all the DUMBs for the past 50 years or more? Why the seed vaults? Why keeping on the edge of MAD? Why systematically poisoning ourselves, the water we all drink, the air we all breathe? Why the Solar Fleet? Why still weaponizing space? Why despite all differences, scientists around the world still work with each other? Why not just get rid of all useless eaters long ago while there were too many of them? Why all the diseases still under controlled and measured? Why spend all the time and effort doing all this instead of just packing up and leave?

If I were to despite my neighbors so much I would just turn my back and don't even care to say good bye.

I say we are at war with something. In war, sacrifices are made. If we were to retreat, we made d@## sure whatever is left behind will not be of the enemy's benefit. And that if there is a good chance that we will have to go into hiding - under ground - we will want to make sure the surface will be inhabitable for them. To work is set, the fuse will be lit if and when necessary. So, we are on the brink of internal war - this war is carefully orchestrated and controlled.

Why killing ourselves and not unite to fight the thing. Ah! Too many of us are like children holding sticks against the cannibal savages. Forget about a spiritual war. This is a war where that something like to eat our physical flesh, because we are, say tasty?!

The butterfly caterpillars eat poisonous plants to save themselves from predators. We are being poisoned but not to death, not necessarily yet anyway.

I do have faith in all humanity, despise our differences - the PTB or Avalon. I only try to see the goodness beyond the veil of evil.

[Mandala]

Alfred Lambremont Webre the author of 'The dimensional Ecology of the Omniverse' and the man claiming to be 1/3 human, 1/3 Reptilian, and 1/3 Mantis Simon Parks have a very different slant on what is coming in 2017, a positive time-line. The PTW missed their chance by not getting their act together by Dec. 2012. That was their deadline.

The PTW are doing everything in their power to promote a full blown scare tactics scheme in every way they can. Don't be fooled by anything they throw at us. This is just my advice and my humble opinion.

Things are sure to get worse before they get better because of the last ditch efforts by the bastards. From now to 2017 are sure to be as bad as we can imagine but we are the ones we have been waiting for. It's up to us to try and inform those who don't know whats coming down the 'Pike that there is light at the end of the tunnel.

We have to be positive above all else. If you have not checked out Simon Parks and Alfred L. Webre now is the time to do it.

I'm leaning toward this theory also. Alfred Webre theorizes that there was a timeline shift form the previous negative timeline where Edgar Cayce saw a global coastal event, and in 1971 the DARPA project (~1971), with the Chrono-visor viewer, also saw the Supreme Court under brackish water in 2013. Due to the DARPA project, Nixon, Rumsfield, and Kissinger made the executive decision to secretly start build trillions upon trillions of dollars of D.U.M.B.S. Then you have Courtney Brown's huge remote viewing project in 2010, which again saw the Capitol under water in 2013, which made the decision to build those bases a good decision. ( It didn't happen in 2013)

Why, because the shift began and we are on another timeline. I like Webre, believe the Mayan calendar wasn't just a time map, but a map of consciousness. Positive timeline = positive future. Each human through positive intentions and meditations, can tune into this morphic field of Unity Consciousness.

Are they leaving? Possibly, the upper echelons (high flyers)
Do they have the means? Yes
Do they know where they are going? Yes
Have they cut a deal with an ET race? Yes
Will they use the DUMBS? Some Will.
Do they care what happens to us? Absolutely not

My big quandary is if we are on a different timeline, a more positive timeline, will this also benefit the pyramid hierarchy? (or) Due to their negativity and the nature of their harmful intentions to the rest of us, will they shift back to the negative timeline.

Also, I have felt that Dolores Cannon's splitting into 2 earths during an evolutionary event also holds a myriad of possibilities. If we are inside a space/time hologram isn't it possible that we could be on a positive time line and the splitting could occur?

[golden lady]

Thank you Bill for your interesting if not alarming "Tale"

I would just like to add and I hope I'm right in my thinking. I believe our wonderful planet is a soul in her own right and to be here you have to be of her, of the correct vibration. Humans belong here. This is our home.

Some humans have forgotten, have been "infected " by outside unseen forces, which are using, our ever increasing, Inhuman, technology to increase their stronghold over us. To change our world to match theirs.

Will the Earth allow this?
Will she side with us?
We have so much to undo, to relearn. Given the chance I'm sure we can.

Like so many others I personally know and remember being called here.
Trouble with humans we leave everything till the last minute. I'm hoping we will not be too late and that the Earth abides along with us too.

[poetbil]

no no don't frighten these lovely people ,let em go ,amen

If the elite want to leave Earth , I would say to them what the plajaren have said , there are many dangers in space , and always someone who carries a bigger club ...

[Camilo]

I concur with this statement from a friend of mine....

One thing to remember is that is about our choice. There is a big timeline separation between individuals who are subscribing to a world of fear, disaster, and power over others and those who aren't subscribing to that and want to have an empowered and really amazing experience on this planet.

It might be a sense of awareness and what we see individually, but no one is about to choose you or imprison you with out a Higher Self agreement. It is up to us. We do the choosing. At the end of the day we choose what kind of reality we are going to continue have over here.

Inelia Benz

[Chester]

Better, from that perspective, to rid earth of all its GMO's, plant and human.

To that, I just say "no".
Never mind that I am cursed with a defective physical genetics - that human DNA has more defects than any other life form on this planet, and that I am already in the last few decades of usefulness from my present physical being.

I am also blessed with a higher awareness, a spirit, a soul - that can and will and should live on.

Unlike some here, I have no conscious knowledge of how this comes to be, but somehow it is and shall be.

Fantastic post... better put than from with the words I was attempting to put forth - I just had to re-post this post.

Thanks, Paul... The Spirit is eternal and one's Soul can be immortal IMO and I don't know why but somehow it is and shall be.

[ulli]

The best and most enduring myths will spring from the humble grassroots. Mark my words.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Ulli that reminds me of the dream of Carl Jung. after the wars, his vision of the new tree of life blossoming out of the frosty wasteland.
the people come to him, surrounding the tree, needing to be fed. and like magic, the earth provides -- small leaves become full fruits,
and the people do not want.

we all have a dream and only some will see the promised land.. but we can all help them get there.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill. Interesting ideas. They certainly got me thinking. I have a question: now that all this time has passed and because the original thread you linked to mentions him, what are your thoughts on "Charles" nowadays?

Good question. As best I recall, 'Charles' stated the following. (See below...)

Note: he did NOT know everything. He knew about ETs, but was not personally very interested in that aspect of the big picture. From what I understood, quite a bit of what he knew had been picked up along the way from conversations he had heard, or been in the fringe of.

These notes I believe are to be very seriously considered. They ring true. They came from our very earliest conversations, in August 2010 when he first contacted me, in two long Skype calls a week apart, each lasting several hours.



The human race as we know it is the outcome of an ET experiment.



The ET experimenters are 100% benign and non-violent. They will not interfere, whatever happens in their experiment (which has been in progress for just under a million years, with another two million to run).



What was UNPLANNED is that the human race would get hold of advanced technology (from UFO crashes, which were never intended or anticipated by the experimenters) — and use this to escape the planet and go off into the galaxy.



The ET experimenters are very worried about this, because of how warlike and aggressive humans often are. Nevertheless, they will NOT take any action to prevent or stop this.



Those who consider they 'rule' the human race and the planet intend to reduce the global population. 'Charles' thought they would do this through engineered famine. The 'natural selection' that would ensue would mean that the smartest and most able (apart from the forewarned and prepared elite) would survive. So the human race would be 'optimized' through this very strong 'environmental challenge to the species' (as biologists put it).



After the human race was greatly thinned out, and 'optimized' (with a surviving group of now higher average ability, capability, health, strength and intelligence), that group would be controlled, harnessed, and used to go out into the galaxy.



My analogy from the above: the monkeys in the laboratory cage have got hold of the keys to the cage, have grabbed the weapons, found the keys to the truck, and are about to jump into the truck and all go off downtown as fast as they can. And the scientists in the lab, while all this was unplanned, just continue observing and taking notes.


None of the above is in any way incompatible with the Fairy Story presented here.......

[darren]

Yes Bill you are nuts! Aren't we all though for coming here and going through all this drama! :) Certainly entertaining anyway.

My initial thought after reading your post,was why bother going through all the hassel of doing what they have been doing?

Then i thought,maybe to keep the (negative) energy supply (to their 4th dimensional masters,Archons ect) in full flow.

Then i thought,that being the case,if they leave and we all die,what happens to those who previously needed said energy supply?

Then i thought,maybe the Archons ect,know this new energy is coming in and are admiting defeat and will set up another planet for the same treatment we have had,whilst taking out as many of us as possible as a fairwell gift!

Then i thought,yep i am nuts :lol:

[Milneman]

There is a fourth possibility. And it shouldn't be overlooked, or not considered.

That being, this is just a campfire story.

[GoodETxSG]

There are lots of "Fairy Stories" and Dis-Info Stories going around right now that is for sure.

Things have become extremely more complicated among the "Elites" and by proxy now for us... Indeed there is a lot to the rumors about Africa and deals made by the "Elite" who planned to be gone by now or leaving the Earth very soon...

As I stated in the "SSP" Thread, there are Multiple "Break Away Civilizations from the "Current Era" and from "Ancient Earth Civilizations" who have stuck around. There are Multiple "Secret Earth Governments" with the "CABAL" being only One...

There are even "Multiple Secret Space Programs" each with their own "Leaderships" and "Ideologies" which have been in a state of "Cold War" for a long time (Working together in extreme times) and have most recently been in a "Stealth Civil War"... Each program alligned with various "Off World Groups, "Human Like" Entities and AI Based Life Forms. The Greys, Draco's and Mantid's have only been a part of the over all equation.

If this wasn't already complicated enough there have been quite a number of "New Arrivals" in our Sol System that have not provided "FOF Signals" or Identified themselves as a "Friend or Foe" (Some think they have arrived for "The Big Show" others for "Darker Reasons")...

There has also been an extreme "energetic change" in our Sol System (And local Star Cluster if not a larger region) over all that has caused wide problems with the "Portal Travel Systems" that were to be used as escape routs by many of the "Elites" to some "Off World" Colonies at a certain time.

Many of these Portal end points are not connecting to the proper destination and some of their end points are now flailing around in open space while others are completely non operational (Not all are affected). This has caused the closing of some pretty large Black Operations and raised tensions even further among the various "Secret Earth Government Leader's".

There is quite a lot of histeria among these "Elites" right now and the over all situation is way more complicated than most of us have been led to believe over the years, though we have come a long way of only talking about "Little Green Men" and "Flying Saucers"... IMHO.

The next few years should be very interesting indeed...

More: U.S. Has 8 Cigar Shaped UFOs In Space Fleet Used For “Solar Warden,” Program To Protect Solar System - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56532-U.S.-Has-8-Cigar-Shaped-UFOs-In-Space-Fleet-Used-For---Solar-Warden----Program-To-Protect-Solar-System&p=887742&viewfull=1#post887742

[Matt P]

If I'm creating this reality I say "no" to this plan. A few others took the words right out of my mouth, too. It doesn't make sense for so many reasons. Leave and go where? THIS is a gorgeous planet. If they go somewhere else, who will they interact with other than themselves? That's no fun. There will be no one to be elite over. They gonna take a slave race with them to do all their chores? That won't last long. There is no sense in polluting and abandoning this planet when the technology and intelligence has existed for decades to feed, clothe and get energy to everyone and more without polluting. We have the ability to live as enlightened stewards on this planet, elite, poor and everyone in between. I have no problem with the elite being elite. I'd like to let them keep making their money so long as everyone that makes money does so in a way that doesn't harm the planet and people. We can DO this easily and live in harmony. The problems of this world are caused by just a few really. I think we just need to clean house and I believe that time is coming. I don't know how it will happen but I believe something will go down and then, like dominoes, it will pick up pace.
A wonderful topic of discussion Bill. Thanks!

Matt

[aranuk]

I care not whether the elite leave this Earth and go to the moon or Mars. It would be a relief for me if they just left. Good riddance. What concerns me though is that they don't kill any of us by any of their wild plans. We shouldn't try to stop them leave the planet, but should encourage them. The people of this Earth I hope would fight them with all their might as I would. There would be millions upon millions in each country that would give up their lives to save mankind and our beautiful planet. The protection of our children and grandchildren is our duty. Let them try. All the nations on Earth instead of fighting with each other would unite instead and have a common enemy for the first time in history. The elite wouldn't stand a chance in a million. They would be told: leave quietly to wherever you wish we will help you pack.:p

Stan

[Cidersomerset]

•The human race as we know it is the outcome of an ET experiment.
•The ET experimenters are 100% benign and non-violent. They will not interfere, whatever happens in their experiment (which has been in progress for just under a million years, with another two million to run).
•What was UNPLANNED is that the human race would get hold of advanced technology (from UFO crashes, which were never intended or anticipated by the experimenters) — and use this to escape the planet and go off into the galaxy.


This is quite logical to me , it could have been the Annunaki in a lab in Africa , per
Sitchin, Tellinger and very topical with the various virus outbreaks coming from
that region man made or natural , aids , Ebola. Though if you go back in history
there have been many plagues not necessarily coming out of Africa. It could be the
Greys or some other race , but they seem to be interfering to much if abductions
and interactions are anything to go by.

The Booteans the local galactic ambassadors who have monitored us for millions of
years and aprox 27,000 yrs ago changed a existing hominoid on earth by altering
the jaw and wrist/thumb, and may be the ET's who have been helping China since
the mid 1990's. Although the date of 27 ,000 does not seem long enough ago ? Or
there could be other race or races involved......

The Pleiadians interacted with the North American Indians and some other
interesting info in the discussion on the link below , Bob reads from a leaflet
channelled by the Evergreens, Bob worked in intelligence for MI5 and others
before retiring and going into the media in the 1980's. He is still going strong
in his 90's, his last show last sat/sun was 18hrs long live, and they are a
phenomenon in there own right, though an acquired taste. I find amongst the
deliberate ' babble' there is really good info....

Some of this is channelled info, but the Elites have always channelled and still do.....

Booteans
Memes, Ira Einhorn, Walter Breen
8 March 2005

http://www.fivebodied.com/archives/audio/phatic_communion/07_Bowart/Bowart%20Bob/mcL_ufo_etc%20%203-08-05_01a.mp3

Michael Blake Read
(Born May 22, 1938 - January 27, 2013)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Qa18YWMg95Y/UQ1pQpmgyII/AAAAAAAAAEo/7hGNGXgNlDs/s400/Michael+Mug+for+Obit+2013.jpg

http://www.theevergreensproject.com/


Default What the Illuminati Know about ET's & Human evolution.....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38141-What-the-Illuminati-Know-about-ET-s-Human-evolution.....&highlight=cidersomerset+Booteans

400,000 years, Oldest Human DNA Leads To More Questions Than Answers ( major changes last 5 yrs)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75061-400-000-years-Oldest-Human-DNA-Leads-To-More-Questions-Than-Answers---major-changes-last-5-yrs-&p=877903&highlight=cidersomerset+Booteans#post877903



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Sorry Bill, I liked your analogy....LOL



My analogy from the above: the monkeys in the laboratory cage have got hold of the keys to the cage, have grabbed the weapons, found the keys to the truck, and are about to jump into the truck and all go off downtown as fast as they can. And the scientists in the lab, while all this was unplanned, just continue observing and taking notes.


DpSaTrW4leg

[GoodETxSG]

That is an interesting reference,
There was a reference to "The Experiment" in the documentation provided at the "UN Type Conference" I mentioned in the other post... It reminded me of the "Hitch Hickers Guie to the Galaxy" kind of theme of an experiment...



•The human race as we know it is the outcome of an ET experiment.
•The ET experimenters are 100% benign and non-violent. They will not interfere, whatever happens in their experiment (which has been in progress for just under a million years, with another two million to run).
•What was UNPLANNED is that the human race would get hold of advanced technology (from UFO crashes, which were never intended or anticipated by the experimenters) — and use this to escape the planet and go off into the galaxy.


This is quite logical to me , it could have been the Annunaki in a lab in Africa , per Sitchin, Tellinger and very topical with the various
virus outbreaks coming from that region man made or natural , aids , Ebola. Though if you go back in history there have been many
plagues not necessarily coming out of Africa. It could be the Greys or some other race , but they seem to be interfering to much
if abductions and interactions are anything to go by.

The Booteans the local galactic ambassadors who have monitored us for millions of years and aprox
27,000 yrs ago changed a existing hominoid on earth by altering the jaw and thumb, and may be
the ET's who have been helping China since the mid 1990's. Although the date of 27 ,000 does
not seem long enough ago ? Or there could be other race or races involved......

Some of this is channelled info, but the Elites have always channelled and still do.....

Booteans
Memes, Ira Einhorn, Walter Breen
8 March 2005

http://www.fivebodied.com/archives/audio/phatic_communion/07_Bowart/Bowart%20Bob/mcL_ufo_etc%20%203-08-05_01a.mp3

Michael Blake Read
(Born May 22, 1938 - January 27, 2013)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Qa18YWMg95Y/UQ1pQpmgyII/AAAAAAAAAEo/7hGNGXgNlDs/s400/Michael+Mug+for+Obit+2013.jpg

http://www.theevergreensproject.com/


Default What the Illuminati Know about ET's & Human evolution.....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38141-What-the-Illuminati-Know-about-ET-s-Human-evolution.....&highlight=cidersomerset+Booteans

400,000 years, Oldest Human DNA Leads To More Questions Than Answers ( major changes last 5 yrs)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75061-400-000-years-Oldest-Human-DNA-Leads-To-More-Questions-Than-Answers---major-changes-last-5-yrs-&p=877903&highlight=cidersomerset+Booteans#post877903



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Sorry Bill, I liked your analogy....LOL



My analogy from the above: the monkeys in the laboratory cage have got hold of the keys to the cage, have grabbed the weapons, found the keys to the truck, and are about to jump into the truck and all go off downtown as fast as they can. And the scientists in the lab, while all this was unplanned, just continue observing and taking notes.


DpSaTrW4leg

[galilava]

"So. At this point, our campfire story has maybe three alternative endings:


Imagine that only the elite's version of the 'cream' of the human race is evacuated, while the 'undesirable surplus' is euthanized. (This is the exact plot of the 1979 James Bond film MOONRAKER (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079574/), by the way.) The planet — like the Masai Mara — is now a galactic wildlife reserve, devoid of any humans to ruin it all.



Imagine that most of the humans are eliminated, but not all. Maybe 500,000,000 are left. But such is the chaos and destruction, that it's only those with natural immunity — or who have somehow survived accidentally, or through their own skill, ability and wits — that remain. There might be no industry, no technology, maybe no communications and no electricity. Back to the stone age — nearly.
Maybe that's why Matthew Stein was strongly urged by invisible sources, over 15 years ago, to research and write his very seminal and important book WHEN TECHNOLOGY FAILS (http://whentechfails.com/).



A third possibility, just as unpalatable as the others. Maybe Planet Earth, minus humans, will be turned over to a non-human custodian race, with slightly different ecological/atmospheric requirements — but who are considered responsible enough to take care of the planet, in return for being given a new home.
Like permanent caretakers. Imagine a deal may have been made... to trade planets. (Like a family in California trading their house, complete with furniture, cars, vegetable garden and all household goods, with a similar family in Australia. Deal made? Simple. Just get on a plane with a one-way ticket and your carry-on luggage to start a new life. MUCH easier than on the Mayflower.)"


...these three endings are not alternative at all - all three can happen as stages of a process...
but! one can not make things right by doing wrong - so here is the right ending:
- the idea of cleaning the house is a false alarm
- which will force the elite to leave and find a new home somewhere else - good luck to them, I can't wait:)
- once left alone , the humanity will come to their senses as greed is not natural for us (as it is not for the rest of the inhabitants of this planet whose dna we share)
- the middle way is found - nobody gets killed :)
- it's all for better...as it always is
(sorry, if this is not very dramatic ;) )

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I personally don't believe that the Universe and Source are going to allow for these parasites to just get away with all of the collateral damages that they have caused. Not to mention all of the homicides, and atrocities that have been comitted for whatever stupid reason there was.

Just the arrogant thought that they believe that they won't be held accountable for any of those crimes, seriously??? They've got to answer for all of that, and I truly doubt that that sickness would be allowed to spread anywhere else in this Universe, or any other if the emissaries of Source have anything to say about that. They'd be wiped out before they could even leave the outer orbit of Earth.

For some reason this made me smile in a bitter way, what makes you think source and the universe will not let them get away with their crimes, it seems that the universe and source allowed many people to get away with their most hideous crimes, 100ths of millions have been murdered and they are still doing it, most of the main perps have died peacefully in their own bed, probably surrounded by their loved ones, dont want to poop the party but only the patsies get punished, the real perps are out of reach and so far it appears to have been this way a long time, I fear this will continue.

If somehow the elite of the elite manages to escape the planet, that would probably be because they know how insignificant we are, our galaxy alone has aprox 500 billion star systems I believe, imagine a 100 billion of those have some sort of intelligent life that surpassed our level of development, technological, intellectual, emotional and spiritual ( for better or worse of course), how would this make us special enough for source or the universe to reach out and lend us a hand? There must be 100 million zoo's like our planet floating around, if we get destroyed, another piece of real estate will be developed as if nothing has happened, business as usual on a cosmic scale, I would like to believe things are different but for now this is my view.

[3(C)+me]

Many comments talk about why the elite would want to leave and where would they go, but what if they were made to leave. Remember one great cycle has closed and they were running the show for what 5,000 so years, but we are now in a new cycle and their ongoing reign is not a given. Why are they trying to kill us and control us and monitor us because they are scared Sh#tless. The intervention, if their is one is US, boots on ground who say No I will not longer be a slave and I a sovereign being and I will choose my experience. The big Key is earth and sun, also sovereign beings and they have a say about what happens. If I had to put my money on the elites plan and earth plan, I put my money on the earth. The elite will not be allowed to use earth as their exclusive playground unless the earth and us human will agree to it, it is that simple. That is the timeline I plan on being on, not theirs.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Consciousness is flux but this society has become stagnant and needs to change, must change.
Societal change is driven by innovation. If innovation is sequestered then societal pressures become regressive to the status quo.
Hate to say it but it seems as though a scenario of the magnitude you describe might be the only way to shake everyone out of their apathy.
We have got to change. We will have change whether we consciously direct it or not.
The masses are still asleep, or at best paying only lip service to the notion of a better way, a fairer way, a way all can benefit and prosper.
They are either busy with their own empire building, no matter how modest (the minority), or bitterly surviving in squalor (the global majority).
Damn our leaders if they abandon us, they would pay for it dearly. Yet we are paying now for our inaction these many years.

I don't know about aliens much but from what I know about the Anunnaki I can say I want nothing to do with them, don't trust them. If this turns out to be the shennanigins of Anu and his son's I'm gonna be a might pissed off!

A few more years and we might just have the new science (well, new for us expendable humans kept in the dark I guess) developed that might help our cause. There may still be time to turn it around. Either way it's going to hurt.

So I don't really see anything that hard to believe about your idea, Bill. Let's hope there's some good guys amongst their ranks. I trust the navy more than the air force, at least...

[Natalia]

The only thing that comes to me, is remembrance of a dream...one of those ones that felt "real"...this was some years ago now...can't remember much about it but do remember the main bit which was space ships coming down to pick up people from Earth...at first I didn't want to go (how strange! hehe :) ) but then it felt like I had to or had no choice...I don't even know why that dream has come up, just had a feeling to share...

[Mandala]

When you think of the worst case scenario, we all die. Besides the suffering and being totally pis#%d off! we don't die. We simply incarnate in a better place, if that's our choice! and we have a lot to talk about. Our resumes are going to look great. Don't let the fear control you. Every tings gonna be okay!

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Ps., just think of how much karma we cleared by putting up and wading through this bullsh#t.

[East Sun]

It's very possible that heads of state and their lackeys have been told/promised by 'them' that if they play ball they will have a pass to be included in the 'chosen' ones when the time comes for an exodus from planet Earth.

They may be in for a surprise if they are not already part of the elite. They should not assume that they won't be deceived and left behind. Wouldn't that be something if they were left at the mercy of the ones they fooled.

I'm just wondering out loud why they are screwing us the 'sheeple' in so many ways. It is obvious to us here at Avalon and to many others around the world that we have no one 'leading' us. They have only their own interest at heart, not country, not people, not families, no ideals and only words of deception and lies.

But as I said in my last post on this thread we have to hold out for a few more years. What a joy it will be to start a new timeline focusing on positive things only.
Let it be....

[TargeT]

Just an FYI..

There maybe a breakaway civilization (and good ridence, go try and make your way elsewhere, none of us will miss you), there maybe people bent on the depopulation of earth (but it's too late, they need our cooperation to do it; and they don't have it anymore).

you know what?

none of this (doom and gloom) will happen; none of this CAN happen. there are no "Demons in the freezer" there is no super bioweapon that will kill millions of us in 3 days.

This is the old way of thinking, it's not going to happen; the tide has turned. Even this Ebola scare is doubted by everyone now, even the most "uneducated" are questioning it.

Sorry darkness, your time has passed, the pendulum is swinging the otherway now, your old ideas were not acted on in time; it's over.

We will be fine, we WILL be; just a few more rumbles and shakes (turmoil) as the power slowly shifts back in the other direction are all I see coming.

[Maya Rose]

If this is a fairy story...then we all are called to hold in our hearts the final glory..paradiese restored.....sending out fairy stardust every minuit and every hour..awakening from our many centuries lasting sleep....reclaiming our power...emanatingin as one...from the one heart... together with the earth and the elements..- A LOVEFIELD of gold....this field of love ...so strong...that nothing and nobody who is not in harmony ,love and respect with earth ...can stay ....as simple as parasites and bacteria cant thrive in a human body where the ph is balanced....where the imune sistem is strong.....this too has to happen in the bigger picture.....when enough people can hold the FIELD OF LOVE ...the fairystardust field of gold....and maintain themselfs in fearless calm observing state...then I trust...theese...mmm bigger parasites ..have to leave too...or transform...total serenety requiered in order to be HTE FIELD...which than ..is stronger than any tecnology can be .in this fairy tale ..IAM HOLDING ths vision,holding the flowering sword...using the power of word...it is done ,,we are one...singing flower...singing the neverending song of creation...one heartbeat one nation...love to you all...may the force be with us

[Cobus]

Bill and Friends

A good fairy tale indeed :) ... oh yes, truth is stranger than fiction!

The core of the Black Brotherhood, together with their central leadership of Lords of the Dark Face, has been desperate to get away from crime scene Earth since the time when they realised they have LOST the war of the second Armageddon. This played out to a climax on the physical plane in 1942. A critical point was passed in the second Great War, and there was no return to their old ways after this immense victory won by the Great White Chain.

The war of the first Armageddon was fought to a climax at the time of the deluge of Atlantis. This was the first resounding victory won by the Great White Chain, led by the Lords of the Shining Countenance.

The Black Brotherhood played all their chips in their attempt to gain full control of the planet ... they failed, with no further recourse.

The Original Plan, established on Earth some 18 million years ago, has been a resounding Cosmic success. An intergalactic free will zone needed to be established in order to provide a physical plane bridge between White Chain Worlds and Dark Worlds. This was of course a massive provocation for the Archon, Lords of the Dark Face. The subsequent drama bears testimony to this.

Earth was set up as the bridging base. This was accomplished by the establishment of the Holding Zone, which is based at the crown chakra ( head center) of the planet. The Central Power of the Holding Zone is maintained by the Real Power that Be,the Chief of the Lords of the Shining Countenance, Rigden Djapo. He has been the Leader of the planetary presence of the Great White Chain since the beginning of this drama some 18 million years ago.

The Great White Chain has already achieved vast success in the establishment of intergalactic freedom. Earth's destiny is already set on a path of beautiful realisation. All inter-systemic participation on Earth is vetted by the Central Authority of Rigden Djapo and the Organisation of the Great White Chain. Those who seek the ways of true ascension and galactic freedom, liberated from dark systems of slavery and oppression, are already intensely active throughout the multiple solar systems pledged to transition. Earth has become a gateway to the Higher Worlds, a station of true learning and awakening for any being from any race who wishes to reach their true divine potential.

[Chester]

Just an FYI..

There maybe a breakaway civilization (and good ridence, go try and make your way elsewhere, none of us will miss you), there maybe people bent on the depopulation of earth (but it's too late, they need our cooperation to do it; and they don't have it anymore).

you know what?

none of this (doom and gloom) will happen; none of this CAN happen. there are no "Demons in the freezer" there is no super bioweapon that will kill millions of us in 3 days.

This is the old way of thinking, it's not going to happen; the tide has turned. Even this Ebola scare is doubted by everyone now, even the most "uneducated" are questioning it.

Sorry darkness, your time has passed, the pendulum is swinging the otherway now, your old ideas were not acted on in time; it's over.

We will be fine, we WILL be; just a few more rumbles and shakes (turmoil) as the power slowly shifts back in the other direction are all I see coming.

By far the best post on this thread - I choose this timeline/outcome too.

Thanks for the great, great post.

[TrumanCash]

I think we need to factor in the amazingly gargantuan project that the Mantis, Grays, et al, have been undertaking for a very long time--the intentional genetic manipulation of splicing Earthbound humans with ETs (especially Grays). This, of course, has been confirmed by many abductees/contactees and government sources--not just my own experiences.

By recovering many past life abductions I discovered that these ETs have been actively engaged in this project for thousands of years. For example, about 2,000 years ago I was a woman who was abducted from my home in what is now Switzerland and had a half-Gray/half-human hybrid taken from me. I have traced this project back as far as 15,000+ years. However, it does appear that these ETs have time travel capability so we are not talking about a linear time line. To them a thousand years could be yesterday. It appears that they are currently introducing these hybrids on Earth.

My point is that why would they go to all this trouble to create these hybrids and plant them on this planet if they were going to kill everyone on the planet. It does not add up for me.

I have also discovered that the Mantids were actively involved in making this planet a prison planet about 75 million years ago. (That may seem like a long time but not if you can time travel.) They have also established an incredible, technology-based artificial reincarnation system for this planet--that I am very familiar with--to keep mankind in spiritual darkness and in a constant state of amnesia. Also, multiple sources have confirmed that abducting ETs refer to us (i.e., our bodies) as "containers" and their activities support that fact. Therefore, it appears that their genetic manipulation may very well be to create a better "container" and continue to keep us, as spiritual beings, from discovering our true selves and breaking free of the "Matrix".

Again, it begs the question "Why would they want to destroy a system that they have worked so hard to create over a very long time?"

On the other hand, it also begs the question "Why are the Mantids, et al, allowing the planet to be trashed by the planetary "elite" through pollution, chemtrails, radiation, EMF, GMOs, etc, etc?" Could it be part of their plan of exercising more control over Earthbound people or are they just not interfering with the activities of other self-serving ETs?

Also, as I discovered from a past life abduction to Mars, the Grays, Mantids, et al, were introducing Earth humans to space travel during Hitler's reign.

There is certainly a lot of room for speculation.

And may the truth set us free,
Truman L. Cash

[GoodETxSG]

I think we need to factor in the amazingly gargantuan project that the Mantis, Grays, et al, have been undertaking for a very long time--the intentional genetic manipulation of splicing Earthbound humans with ETs (especially Grays). This, of course, has been confirmed by many abductees/contactees and government sources--not just my own experiences.

By recovering many past life abductions I discovered that these ETs have been actively engaged in this project for thousands of years. For example, about 2,000 years ago I was a woman who was abducted from my home in what is now Switzerland and had a half-Gray/half-human hybrid taken from me. I have traced this project back as far as 15,000+ years. However, it does appear that these ETs have time travel capability so we are not talking about a linear time line. To them a thousand years could be yesterday. It appears that they are currently introducing these hybrids on Earth.

My point is that why would they go to all this trouble to create these hybrids and plant them on this planet if they were going to kill everyone on the planet. It does not add up for me.

I have also discovered that the Mantids were actively involved in making this planet a prison planet about 75 million years ago. (That may seem like a long time but not if you can time travel.) They have also established an incredible, technology-based artificial reincarnation system for this planet--that I am very familiar with--to keep mankind in spiritual darkness and in a constant state of amnesia. Also, multiple sources have confirmed that abducting ETs refer to us (i.e., our bodies) as "containers" and their activities support that fact. Therefore, it appears that their genetic manipulation may very well be to create a better "container" and continue to keep us, as spiritual beings, from discovering our true selves and breaking free of the "Matrix".

Again, it begs the question "Why would they want to destroy a system that they have worked so hard to create over a very long time?"

On the other hand, it also begs the question "Why are the Mantids, et al, allowing the planet to be trashed by the planetary "elite" through pollution, chemtrails, radiation, EMF, GMOs, etc, etc?" Could it be part of their plan of exercising more control over Earthbound people or are they just not interfering with the activities of other self-serving ETs?

Also, as I discovered from a past life abduction to Mars, the Grays, Mantids, et al, were introducing Earth humans to space travel during Hitler's reign.

There is certainly a lot of room for speculation.

And may the truth set us free,
Truman L. Cash

It is quite a complicated and fragmented subject indeed,

The "Human Like ET's"" claim to have been involved in Human creation and development for many, many hundreds of thousands of years as well also come into play (And the proof they offered our "Earth Delegates" was verified by Geneticists along with other "Anomalies". There has been a lot of conflicting information from inside the "Human Type Groups" and from "Non Human Type Groups" about their involvment in our creation and their "Ownership" or "Providence" in the equation of what we have become and where we are now in our development.

No wonder these "Elites" who rotated in to these "Conferences" as "Earth Delegates" were so confused and visibly upset at times. I am sure they were getting the same claims and conflicting information from the bengs at the "Non-Human Type Conferences" when they rotated in as "Delegates" there as well.

We like to think that these "Elites" have all the answers, but this just is not true... They are making deals with all kinds of groups "Out There" that have been around "Here" meddling in affairs for millions of years.

We normally only hear of the "Non-Human Types" of Beings and the "Cabal" which are only one of the "Secret Governments" and these other ET's only a portion of the "Master Genetic Engineering ET" Groups that have been involved in the "Experiment" that is the "Earth Human Race" which has been scrapped and started over on several occasions.

The "Non Human Types" seem to be winning the "Information War" on this subject as the "Human Types" have made a major point of being more anonymous and thinking they are doing things from a service to others point of view when this doesn't seem to be the case either. They seem to have a lot more protocols and rules about interfearance and outward communication than the "Others".

They have been living among us though from the beginning and seem to be hypocrites that do not break their own rules but find ways to bend them and work around them very easily.

However many of the large number of "Them" are doing this I do not know as there are a large number of them that have a poor view of Earth Humans and disliked the "Earth Delegates" even being present.

[TrumanCash]

I also think that it says a lot about what is going on when it was reported by Phil Schneider that the real UN meetings take place in an underground base with several tall Grays sitting at a table above everyone else.

We also know that the Grays have been inculcating abductees with environmental warnings which seems a bit ironic/hypocritical since they are apparently approving the wholesale pollution of the planet via these "UN" meetings. The UN has been pushing the "global warming" propaganda (which has since been changed to "climate change" newspeak) in order to gain more control over people.

Since it appears that ETs are the ones who are ultimately in control of this planet and if they wanted to exterminate humans or human/ET hybrids, I think they would have already done that. It seems to me to be more about mind control. Mind control equals spirit control.

However, truth can free people from the machinations of hidden puppet masters. And I see truth expanding rapidly now on this planet. I don't know what the future holds but things are getting really interesting.

A major contributor to the expansion of truth is the internet. Ironically, it was the Grays who introduced us to computer technology (which could be used to control, enslave or free people). Could it be that that their plans of continued control have back-fired?

TLC

[778 neighbour of some guy]

To them a thousand years could be yesterday.


My point is that why would they go to all this trouble to create these hybrids and plant them on this planet if they were going to kill everyone on the planet. It does not add up for me.


On the other hand, it also begs the question "Why are the Mantids, et al, allowing the planet to be trashed by the planetary "elite" through pollution, chemtrails, radiation, EMF, GMOs, etc, etc?" Could it be part of their plan of exercising more control over Earthbound people or are they just not interfering with the activities of other self-serving ETs?

If they could manipulate time that easy and traversing it means that little to them it is also very easy to abandon a project and start a new one, just as fast and just as easy and all they would need is an extensive sample bank, so I am not that sure we are that important as a planet, a species or a project, there could be millions of these projects going on simultaneously all over our galaxy, imagine what thousands of our own biotech labs are doing now with their computerized and automated equipment combined with their databases, and if you don't get the desired results, press delete and start over as a matter of routine.

"never start a project that you cant walk away from"

[GoodETxSG]

I am happy to say I never rotated into any of those, ("Grey" Which ever race is being discussed here.).

The setup was not that different though in the "Human Type Conferences". The main "Speaker" was elevated on a platform and every other Delegate sat in a Horse Shoe shaped area on a raised platform with their 3 "See'ers" sigging below them and a person standing behind them to their left.

Some of the "See'er Group" I was apart of were rotated in to the "Non Human Conferences" that occured underground and on "Off World Bases". I was not in that rotation because of an agreement from of some of the training and incidents I was exposed to during my "MILAB" experiences as a youth. I know that they "Felt" a lot more sinister and were on guard a lot more, they suffered anxiety for days after returning.

Some similar topics were covered in those conferences with the "Earth Delegates" that rotated from various Secret Earth Governments, SSP's Leaderships and Black Program Leaderships... Things were more relaxed and calm in the "Human looking/Type Beings" conferences.

As far as the actual "Earth UN", it is a place where normal Earth Governments meet and in the "Hall Below" (Round Room in Basement of UN) the Secret Earth Governments" meet (Not always) and delegate what will occur, and the Ambassators to the UN usually make a show of things and get instructions. It is a Secret Earth Government central control mechanism...

[Buzzie]

Bill, this story seems plausible to me. Obviously something is coming down the pike and I doubt that it is intended to benefit most of humanity. This is, however, happening on the physical plane. This is why for the past couple of years I have concentrated on learning as much as I can about the soul. I have reincarnated over 100 times, mostly on Earth but at least once
on another planet. I have made a decision that I do not want to return to Earth.

There are a number of theories about where the soul goes after the container (physical body) dies. Simon Parks has described a grid surrounding Earth that captures the soul erases its' memory and sends it back to earth. Do we go toward the light? Do we go away from the light? According to John Lear, if we live our life with integrity avoiding hate greed and envy and show our love for our family we will be allowed to escape earth. Others think we can demand to leave, assert the sovereignty of our soul' so we can leave. From what I have learned no other entity can own your soul but can trap it.

One thing I do know for sure is that those who do not know that they are infinite energy beings having a physical experience here don't stand a chance.

[CD7]

Hummmmmm seems like an awful lot to go through NEEDLESSLY----but whts new here!!? Theres a literal GOLD MINE HERE to CULTIVATE. ALL on planet Earth can be the creators and the cultivators!

IF ONLY the "might" used in WAR were used to protect planet earth/species----THE TURN AROUND WOULD BE THAT EASY. No need to leave....just as a torn down dilapidated home can be TRANSFORMED INTO A PALACE...so too can the HOME OF EARTH.

The designers, engineers, contractors of this home can shift to a different format which will result in PARADISE. The BLUEPRINT is/was already here

----we are the tenders of the Garden..the cultivators...the shepherds of the other species. We are needed to CREATE IT as well as be the CARETAKERS of it.


IMAGINE THAT!!! and i do ALL THE TIME!!! <3


Signed ME X BILLIONS :D

[soulsinger]

I've been listening, reading, and learning for years. I apply my intuition and understanding to all that I see. Floating in a sea of lies, we find it difficult to discern what is real. And there are some terribly ugly, painful realities in our world.

But when I read this "fairy story," my intuition says it doesn't ring true for me. The various elements of the story are based on real events, but the story feels like it's off-base in the way it frames the entire reality of the power structure. I feel that there isn't one ancient man at the top. What seems more true to me, after examining all that's been presented over these years, is the description of warring (both overtly and covertly) factions-- of chaos, of competing interests.

There are a few humans who sit apart from the chaos and have amassed unthinkable wealth and power, so that they are nearly invulnerable. These humans use their resources to accomplish goals which are completely strange to our understanding of right/wrong. But the chaos continues, because the sheer diversity of motivations makes a monolithic organization impossible.

I think the what-to-do-with-Earth question has sparked multiple answers from many powerful, interested parties. But we regular, non-elite humans haven't agreed on the answer to this question, either, and that makes us vulnerable.

[soulsinger]

An additional thought... In the same way our governments send only those they consider expendable into danger (such as war, epidemics, chemical or bioweapons)... I imagine that a "breakaway civilization" would send explorers for new space or planetary colonies, based on their expendable status. Those who are powerful enough to have the prerogative, would stay safely ensconced in their comfortable, protected arrangements here, until such time as they are satisfied that leaving would be just as comfortable.

[Robin]

On the other hand, it also begs the question "Why are the Mantids, et al, allowing the planet to be trashed by the planetary "elite" through pollution, chemtrails, radiation, EMF, GMOs, etc, etc?" Could it be part of their plan of exercising more control over Earthbound people or are they just not interfering with the activities of other self-serving ETs?

I just want to jump in here and add a quick thought.

It makes more sense to put quotes around the word "elite," because we are giving them the recognition that they do not deserve. I agree with Mark Passio's humorous and candid way of describing the "elite" as elites of nothing more than a filthy sewer.

And it's true, because that is what society has become, and is quickly flushing the planet down the toilet along with it.

As for us, we are the esoteric garbage collectors. Yup, that is our job in the Truth Movement. We are the sewage management team, who must wade through the sludge of the filthy habits of ignorant humans, and recycle the grimy muck of their false perceptions of reality for pure, untainted Truth.

It's a tough, mucky job being a Truth warrior. Make sure to carry your hazmat suits at all times.

[chocolate]

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And some transmutation of energy, for those who ... well, care to follow the black sheep ( me )

ZaQjw5HykU8

[Billy]

I just want to jump in here and add a quick thought.

It makes more sense to put quotes around the word "elite," because we are giving them the recognition that they do not deserve. I agree with Mark Passio's humorous and candid way of describing the "elite" as elites of nothing more than a filthy sewer.

And it's true, because that is what society has become, and is quickly flushing the planet down the toilet along with it.

As for us, we are the esoteric garbage collectors. Yup, that is our job in the Truth Movement. We are the sewage management team, who must wade through the sludge of the filthy habits of ignorant humans, and recycle the grimy muck of their false perceptions of reality for pure, untainted Truth.

It's a tough, mucky job being a Truth warrior. Make sure to carry your hazmat suits at all times.

Hopefully the saying, "Out of s**t, grows roses", will come into play soon. :tongue1:

I think If the elites are thinking of going underground or leaving planet earth, it is because they are running scared. They try to hide in the shadows of the darkness, but in truth, there is nowhere for them to hide. The veil between the seen and unseen grows ever thinner.

peace

[chocolate]

So, we 'believe'...
in the notion of a dark elite
in the notion of ... dark agenda
in the notion of ETs ( I never managed to picture those )

in the notion of ... cosmic/space travel with some sort of 'ships'
etc.

Do we?
Really?

I don't 'believe' a single one concept of all that has been spread out in the OP.
Sorry, for raining on this thread, but somebody has to ( somehow, gently, eloquently, may be ~ ) do it.

And neither will you, if you care to take control of your 'belief' system(s).

May be it is time for us to stop our collective 'mediation', when all kinds of 'belief' systems have been downloaded into our (quite capable) brains/ consciousnesses, and start using all of the above mentioned in their full capacity, and in the way initially intended.

[Jake]

So, we 'believe'...
in the notion of a dark elite
in the notion of ... dark agenda
in the notion of ETs ( I never managed to picture those )

in the notion of ... cosmic/space travel with some sort of 'ships'
etc.

Do we?
Really?

I don't 'believe' a single one concept of all that has been spread out in the OP.
Sorry, for raining on this thread, but somebody has to ( somehow, gently, eloquently, may be ~ ) do it.

And neither will you, if you care to take control of your 'belief' system(s).

May be it is time for us to stop our collective 'mediation', when all kinds of 'belief' systems have been downloaded into our (quite capable) brains/ consciousnesses, and start using all of the above mentioned in their full capacity, and in the way initially intended.

Very wonderfully put. I read this thread as more of a thought experiment and a discussion rather that something we should 'believe'.. Shedding our need for 'belief systems' is inevitable, methinks... And you are exactly correct to point it out.. Thank you.

From the point of view of someone who has had direct experience with ET's,, NOT believing in them is just another belief system. No one person has all of the pieces of the puzzle. Many times thought experiments in the form of creative discussion will actually help to dispel some of the beliefs. Though,, not always. :):)

Cheers
Jake.

[Atlas]

So, we 'believe'...
[...]
in the notion of ETs ( I never managed to picture those )
[...]
Really?
Interesting question.

How could we possibly be the one and only planet teaming with life in a universe composed of a minimum of 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars (100 octillion). Can you imagine that?

Statistically speaking, we simply cannot be the only ones. Somewhere, somehow, there must be other forms of life in this huge universe. So yes, I really believe in the notion of ETs.

[Cidersomerset]

Interesting question.

How could we possibly be the one and only planet teaming with life in a universe composed of a minimum of 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars (100 octillion). Can you imagine that?

Statistically speaking, we simply cannot be the only ones. Somewhere, somehow, there must be other forms of life in this huge universe. So yes, I really believe in the notion of ETs.


I don't think we are alone and never have been , and disclosure has been
happening over the last 70 years at least if not more thru fiction and movies as well
as TV and now the web. Although not official its all but as far as I can see....

I just had a quick look in my archive and theres many more threads by other
Avalonians, and researchers .Here a few that tell me we are not alone from recent
reports...

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Astronomers discover most Earth-like planet 26/6/14.....only a few weeks after the last one !!

Many on here already think the universe is teaming with habitable planets, but
its still interesting how they are disclosing slowly these discoveries so as when
the big one comes it will not be a surprise.......

yaOEf9b0bEo

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Are we alone in the universe? // NASA getting closer to finding alien life
Are we alone in the universe?

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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73031-Are-we-alone-in-the-universe-NASA-getting-closer-to-finding-alien-life

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Complex organic molecule found in interstellar space // Water on distant Neptune-sized planet
26 September 2014 Last updated at 10:56

Complex organic molecule found in interstellar space
By Michael Eyre Science reporter
Alma telescope

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75508-Complex-organic-molecule-found-in-interstellar-space-Water-on-distant-Neptune-sized-planet


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‘Alien life found above Derbyshire proves we’re descended from extraterrestrials’, say scientists



OK its not the ET's we think are out there and visiting/living here for eons but its a start....

It was only a decade or so scientists thought we maybe the only solar system
with potential 'Goldilocks' planets now there are many of them and growing...

The ground work for disclosure has been laid by mainstream science over the
last decade , whether they go the final step is the big question ??.....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75813---Alien-life-found-above-Derbyshire-proves-we--re-descended-from-extraterrestrials---say-scientists

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Graham Hancock - Ancient Man and Our Mysterious Origins // Gobekli Tepe Roundtable march 2014



Graham has been researching for a follow up to his book 'Fingerprints of the Gods'
In the light of new discoveries , in this presentation he discusses that and more.......


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71613-Graham-Hancock-Ancient-Man-and-Our-Mysterious-Origins-Gobekli-Tepe-Roundtable-march-2014

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Richplanet TV - 21/06/14.. Edgar Fouche & US Secret Space Fleet with resarcher Andrew Johnson Avalon member

Richplanet TV - 21/06/14 Show - US Secret Space Fleet Program


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72625-Richplanet-TV-21-06-14..-Edgar-Fouche-US-Secret-Space-Fleet-with-resarcher-Andrew-Johnson-Avalon-member

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[Cidersomerset]

The other option apart from religion is Darwinism , which is possible
with ET intervention at a later stage as per the Annunaki , Booteans
or other races......

We have probably all heard variations of the current evolution of
humans, heres some of the most recent articles, for those who
like to compare mainstream with alternate like I do.......and
a lot of the mainstream is speculation and more fancy full than
ET intervention imo .

I just finished the vid below and it gives a docu/drama how the picture
of the brief history of paleontology , and the relatively thin evidence of
their theory. It was made in 2005 and not as recent as the posting suggest,
so does not contain a lot of recent discoveries posted in the other articles
below, but still interesting as a basis of mainstream science 'evolution
of man'.......

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Ape to Human Evolution - Where We Came From? If Apes Evolved into Humans, Why Do We Still Have Apes?


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Published on 10 Jul 2014


Since Charles Darwin published the theory of evolution by means of natural
selection in 1859, myths and misinterpretations have eroded public understanding
of his ideas. For example, some people continue to argue that evolution isn't a valid
scientific theory because it can't be tested. This, of course, isn't true. Scientists
have successfully run numerous laboratory tests that support the major tenets of
evolution. And field scientists have been able to use the fossil record to answer
important questions about natural selection and how organisms change over time.

Still, the evolution-is-not-falsifiable myth remains popular. So does this one: The
second law of thermodynamics, which says an orderly system will always become
disorderly, makes evolution impossible. This myth reflects a general
misunderstanding of entropy, the term used by physicists to describe randomness
or disorder. The second law does state that the total entropy of a closed system
can't decrease, but it does allow parts of a system to become more orderly as long
as other parts becomes less so. In other words, evolution and the second law
of thermodynamics can live together in harmony.

One of the most persistent myths, however, concerns the relationship of humans to
great apes, a group of primates that includes the gorilla, orangutan and
chimpanzee. Someone who believes the myth will say, "If evolution exists, then
humans must be descended directly from apes. Apes must have changed, step by
step, into humans." This same person will often follow up with this observation: "If
apes 'turned into' humans, then apes should no longer exist." Although there are
several ways to attack this assertion, the bottom-line rebuttal is simple -- humans
didn't descend from apes. That's not to say humans and apes aren't related, but
the relationship can't be traced backward along a direct line of descent, one form
morphing into another. It must be traced along two independent lines, far back into
time until the two lines merge.

The intersection of the two lines represents something special, what biologists refer
to as a common ancestor. This apelike ancestor, which probably lived 5 to 11
million years ago in Africa, gave rise to two distinct lineages, one resulting in
hominids -- humanlike species -- and the other resulting in the great ape species
living today. Or, to use a family tree analogy, the common ancestor occupied a
trunk, which then divided into two branches. Hominids developed along one branch,
while the great ape species developed along another branch.

What did this common ancestor look like? Although the fossil record has been
stingy with answers, it seems logical that the animal would have possessed
features of both humans and apes. In 2007, Japanese scientists believe they found
the jawbone and teeth of just such an animal. By studying the size and shape of
the teeth, they determined that the ape was gorilla-sized and had an appetite for
hard nuts and seeds. They named it Nakalipithecus nakayamai and calculated its
age to be 10 million years old. That puts the ape in the right place on the time line.
More important, the scientists found the ancient bones in the Samburu Hills of
northern Kenya. That puts N. nakayamai in the right geographic place, along a
trajectory of hominid evolution that stretches for several hundred miles in eastern
Africa. The Middle Awash region of Ethiopia lies to the north, where the African
continent dead-ends into the Red Sea.Today, the Middle Awash region burns hot
and inhospitable beneath a desert sun. But 10 million years ago, according to
paleontologists and geologists, it held a cool, wet forest teeming with life. Is it
possible that an apelike creature such as N. nakayamai lived in these fertile
woodlands? Is it furthermore possible that the creature was just beginning to
experiment with a new lifestyle, one that brought it down to the ground from the
trees? Scientists think so, and they've been coming for years to the Middle Awash
region, as well as points south, to learn when and how humanlike species diverged
from the great apes.

One of the most important Middle Awash discoveries came in 1994, when a team of
scientists led by Tim White of the University of California, Berkeley, found
skeletal remains that included skull, pelvis and hand and foot bones. When the t
eam pieced the skeleton together, it revealed a very early hominid that walked
upright, yet still retained an opposable toe, a trait commonly found in tree-climbing primates.

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22 October 2014 Last updated at 18:06

DNA yields secrets of human pioneerPallab Ghosh
By Pallab Ghosh

Science correspondent, BBC News DNA analysis of a 45,000-year-old human has helped scientists
pinpoint when our ancestors interbred with Neanderthals.

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Early European Universal human: This reconstruction is of a different modern
human from Romania 43,000 years ago. But it gives some clues to what the
Siberian man may have looked like. This population was not long out of Africa and
genetically midway between Europeans and Asians The genome sequence from a
thigh bone found in Siberia shows the first episode of mixing occurred between
50,000 and 60,000 years ago.

The male hunter is one of the earliest modern humans discovered in Eurasia.

The study in Nature journal also supports the finding that our species emerged
from Africa some 60,000 years ago, before spreading around the world.

The analysis raises the possibility that the human line first emerged millions of
years earlier than current estimates.


Max-Plack Institute

The work of Prof Svante Paabo, from the Max Planck Institute in Leipzig, Germany,
is rewriting the story of humanity. Prof Paabo and his colleagues have pioneered
methods to extract DNA from ancient human remains and read its genetic code.

From this sequence, Prof Paabo has been able to decipher an increasingly detailed
story of modern humans as they spread across the globe.

"The amazing thing is that we have a good genome of a 45,000 year old person
who was close to the ancestor of all present-day humans outside Africa," Prof
Paabo told BBC News.

Prof Paabo has analysed DNA from part of a leg bone of a man that lived in
Western Siberia around 45,000 years ago. This is a key moment at the cross roads
of the world, when modern humans were on the cusp of an expansion into Europe
and Asia.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/78287000/jpg/_78287153_paabo_ui_1.jpg

And the thigh bone is connected to your... evolutionary past. Prof Paabo Svante has
unlocked the secrets contained in this femur from one of the earliest humans
discovered out of Africa.

The key finding was that the man had large, unshuffled chunks of DNA from a now
extinct species of human, Neanderthals who evolved outside of Africa.

"Our analysis shows that modern humans had already interbred with Neanderthals
then and we can determine when that first happened much more precisely than we
could before."

Natural History Museum

Prof Paabo and his team published research in 2010 which showed that all non-
African humans today have Neanderthal DNA. But that genetic material has been
broken into much smaller chunks over the generations.

By extrapolating the size of DNA chunks backwards, Prof Paabo and his colleagues
were able to calculate when the first interbreeding with Neanderthals occurred. His
study shows that it was between 50,000 and 60,000 years ago.

According to Prof Chris Stringer of the Natural History Museum in London, this early
interbreeding might indicate when the ancestors of people living outside of Africa
today made their first steps out of the continent inwhich our species evolved more
than 150,000 years ago.

Prof Stringer was among those who believed that the first exit by modern humans
from Africa that give rise to people outside of Africa today might have happened
earlier, possibly 100,000 years ago. The evidence from Prof Paabo's research is
persuading him that it was now much later.

"There is a dispute as to when that "Out of Africa" event happened and this fossil
helps to look at that. It is close to the time I think that modern humans exited from
Africa and gave rise to the populations in the rest of the world. I think that exit
happened 60,000 years ago," he told BBC News.


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/78287000/jpg/_78287157_ust-ishim_panorama.jpg

River Irtysh Crossroads for humanity: the river Irtysh in Western Siberia where the
bone was found. It comes from a time when the human race was about to embark
on its journey to the rest of the world The new narrative seems to fit in with a
recent new, more accurate dating of the arrival of modern humans into Europe by
Prof Thomas Higham of Oxford University. Research published in August showed
that this happened 45,000 years ago.

Watershed

Prof Paabo's 45,000 year-old man seems to have lived at a point that was both
geographically, and in time, a crossroads for humanity.

"This does seem to mark a watershed where modern humans were pushing the
boundaries further and further in their dispersal out of Africa," according to Prof
Stringer.

Prof Paabo also compared the DNA of the man living 45,000 years ago with those
living today. He found that the man was genetically midway between Europeans
and Asians - indicating he lived close to the time before our species separated into
different racial groups.

Prof Paabo was also able to estimate the rate at which human DNA has changed or
mutated over the millennia. He found that it was slower than the rate suggested by
fossil evidence and similar to what has been observed in families.

"We have caught evolution red handed!" Prof Paabo said gleefully.

This raises the possibility that the very first species of the human line separated
from apes 10 or 11 million years ago - rather than the five or six million years ago
that genetic evidence had previously suggested.

But he stressed in his research paper that much more analysis was needed before
re-dating the emergence of the human line.

"We caution that (mutation) rates may have changed over time and may differ
between human populations," he said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29649499

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400,000 years, Oldest Human DNA Leads To More Questions Than Answers ( major changes last 5 yrs)


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75061-400-000-years-Oldest-Human-DNA-Leads-To-More-Questions-Than-Answers---major-changes-last-5-yrs-

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Europeans drawn from three ancient 'tribes'


Theories and data are changing more rapidly in recent years and I think there is
much more to it than this article shows , but interesting anyway....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75057-Europeans-drawn-from-three-ancient-tribes

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New DNA study shows Humans Bred With Unknown Species

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74155-New-DNA-study-shows-Humans-Bred-With-Unknown-Species

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Has an Australian archaeologist found a new species of human?.// 'Enigma man' or 'Red Deer cave people'..


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72642-Has-an-Australian-archaeologist-found-a-new-species-of-human-.-Enigma-man-or-Red-Deer-cave-people-..

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[TargeT]

So, we 'believe'...
in the notion of a dark elite
in the notion of ... dark agenda
in the notion of ETs ( I never managed to picture those )

in the notion of ... cosmic/space travel with some sort of 'ships'
etc.

Do we?
Really?

I don't 'believe' a single one concept of all that has been spread out in the OP.
Sorry, for raining on this thread, but somebody has to ( somehow, gently, eloquently, may be ~ ) do it.

And neither will you, if you care to take control of your 'belief' system(s).

May be it is time for us to stop our collective 'mediation', when all kinds of 'belief' systems have been downloaded into our (quite capable) brains/ consciousnesses, and start using all of the above mentioned in their full capacity, and in the way initially intended.

Very wonderfully put. I read this thread as more of a thought experiment and a discussion rather that something we should 'believe'.. Shedding our need for 'belief systems' is inevitable, methinks... And you are exactly correct to point it out.. Thank you.

From the point of view of someone who has had direct experience with ET's,, NOT believing in them is just another belief system. No one person has all of the pieces of the puzzle. Many times thought experiments in the form of creative discussion will actually help to dispel some of the beliefs. Though,, not always. :):)

Cheers
Jake.

read up on Chaos Magic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_magic) belief is the core of this practice; and language is used as the tool to manipulate belief (chaos magic knows how powerful belief is) you could consider the OP a bit of a chaos magic spell really.

either way, it seems very applicable to this thread.



Chaos magic
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Chaosphere.svg/330px-Chaosphere.svg.png
Spellings include 'chaos' and 'kaos', and is a postmodern and post-postmodern magical tradition which emphasizes the pragmatic use of belief systems and the creation of new and unorthodox methods.[1]

Although there are a few techniques unique to chaos magick (such as some forms of sigil magic), chaos magic is often highly individualistic and borrows liberally from other belief systems, due to chaos magick having a central belief that belief is a tool. Some common sources of inspiration include such diverse areas as science fiction, scientific theories, traditional ceremonial magic, neoshamanism, Eastern philosophy, world religions, and individual experimentation. Despite tremendous individual variation, chaos magicians (sometimes called "chaotes"[2]) often work with chaotic and humorous paradigms, such as the worship of Hundun from Taoism and it is common for chaotes to believe in whatever god suits their current paradigm and discard it when necessary. Chaotes can be agnostic or atheist and regard magical practice as merely psychological, not paranormal. Some chaos magicians also use psychedelic drugs in practices such as chemognosticism.[3]
Chaos magickians are often seen by other occultists as dangerous or worrisome revolutionaries. Real kaos magickians embrace this.[2]
According to chaos practitioners a computer is the central tool for connecting the followers, building virtual knowledge libraries and it also could be used for the simulation of the online ritual environment.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_magic

Perhaps bill is a practitioner (knowingly or not)

[Jake]

I had to avoid a knee jerk reaction.. lol... I had to read up a bit on Chaos Majik, as i have never heard anyone refer to themselves as a 'chaos majician'.. A fairly loose 'movement', but a movement nonetheless. Thanks for the info, mate!! :) Saying Chaos Majic is a bit misleading. The Majic part was taken from a general reference to majic in The first edition of Liber Null.. The Chaos part was added later, to denote the 'belief' of 'chaos' as in 'chaos theory' as the 'thing' that is the catalyst of all things.

Maybe not 'misleading', but not very accurate terminology.. Especially considering that the term is most often used to describe someone else, rather than a term one uses to describe themselves... They way i read it,, anything anyone says can be considered chaos majik, really... oops,, i just cast chaos majik... i think.... lol.

Cheers, mate.
Jake.

[Mandala]

Just an FYI..

There maybe a breakaway civilization (and good ridence, go try and make your way elsewhere, none of us will miss you), there maybe people bent on the depopulation of earth (but it's too late, they need our cooperation to do it; and they don't have it anymore).



you know what?

none of this (doom and gloom) will happen; none of this CAN happen. there are no "Demons in the freezer" there is no super bioweapon that will kill millions of us in 3 days.

This is the old way of thinking, it's not going to happen; the tide has turned. Even this Ebola scare is doubted by everyone now, even the most "uneducated" are questioning it.

Sorry darkness, your time has passed, the pendulum is swinging the otherway now, your old ideas were not acted on in time; it's over.

We will be fine, we WILL be; just a few more rumbles and shakes (turmoil) as the power slowly shifts back in the other direction are all I see coming.

Target T, I'm with you. I'm fed up with the PTB, I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore. It's time for a shift, a big shift, those parasites can find a new planet with natives that will put them at the bottom of the food chain. Power is only an illusion.

[CdnSirian]

So, we 'believe'...
in the notion of a dark elite
in the notion of ... dark agenda
in the notion of ETs ( I never managed to picture those )

in the notion of ... cosmic/space travel with some sort of 'ships'
etc.

Do we?
Really?

I don't 'believe' a single one concept of all that has been spread out in the OP.
Sorry, for raining on this thread, but somebody has to ( somehow, gently, eloquently, may be ~ ) do it.

And neither will you, if you care to take control of your 'belief' system(s).

May be it is time for us to stop our collective 'mediation', when all kinds of 'belief' systems have been downloaded into our (quite capable) brains/ consciousnesses, and start using all of the above mentioned in their full capacity, and in the way initially intended.

Very wonderfully put. I read this thread as more of a thought experiment and a discussion rather that something we should 'believe'.. Shedding our need for 'belief systems' is inevitable, methinks... And you are exactly correct to point it out.. Thank you.

From the point of view of someone who has had direct experience with ET's,, NOT believing in them is just another belief system. No one person has all of the pieces of the puzzle. Many times thought experiments in the form of creative discussion will actually help to dispel some of the beliefs. Though,, not always. :):)

Cheers
Jake.

read up on Chaos Magic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_magic) belief is the core of this practice; and language is used as the tool to manipulate belief (chaos magic knows how powerful belief is) you could consider the OP a bit of a chaos magic spell really.

either way, it seems very applicable to this thread.



Chaos magic
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Chaosphere.svg/330px-Chaosphere.svg.png
Spellings include 'chaos' and 'kaos', and is a postmodern and post-postmodern magical tradition which emphasizes the pragmatic use of belief systems and the creation of new and unorthodox methods.[1]

Although there are a few techniques unique to chaos magick (such as some forms of sigil magic), chaos magic is often highly individualistic and borrows liberally from other belief systems, due to chaos magick having a central belief that belief is a tool. Some common sources of inspiration include such diverse areas as science fiction, scientific theories, traditional ceremonial magic, neoshamanism, Eastern philosophy, world religions, and individual experimentation. Despite tremendous individual variation, chaos magicians (sometimes called "chaotes"[2]) often work with chaotic and humorous paradigms, such as the worship of Hundun from Taoism and it is common for chaotes to believe in whatever god suits their current paradigm and discard it when necessary. Chaotes can be agnostic or atheist and regard magical practice as merely psychological, not paranormal. Some chaos magicians also use psychedelic drugs in practices such as chemognosticism.[3]
Chaos magickians are often seen by other occultists as dangerous or worrisome revolutionaries. Real kaos magickians embrace this.[2]
According to chaos practitioners a computer is the central tool for connecting the followers, building virtual knowledge libraries and it also could be used for the simulation of the online ritual environment.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_magic

Perhaps bill is a practitioner (knowingly or not)
Whoa. Was just listening to Thomas Sheridan talking about this yesterday. (on youtube)

Thanks Bill. It will take me a week to get through all the mterial on this thread!

Regards all!

[RUSirius]

Its a pretty interesting story, however it does not resonate with me. Everything is perfect.

[araucaria]

The human race as we know it is the outcome of an ET experiment.







The ET experimenters are 100% benign and non-violent. They will not interfere, whatever happens in their experiment (which has been in progress for just under a million years, with another two million to run).







What was UNPLANNED is that the human race would get hold of advanced technology (from UFO crashes, which were never intended or anticipated by the experimenters) — and use this to escape the planet and go off into the galaxy.







The ET experimenters are very worried about this, because of how warlike and aggressive humans often are. Nevertheless, they will NOT take any action to prevent or stop this.




[/LIST]



Hi Bill, I just want to make a couple of comments on the above. The idea that problems started only in 1947 or whenever is quite simply laughable. To take a very trivial example, things like the Fed have been around longer than that.

The ET 'experimenters' at the origin of the human race, I believe, are much more evolved than the presentday ET presence and naturally are indeed 100% nonviolent; John Lash takes this all the way to Sophia at the galactic centre, and for me this rings true: the experiment is on a planetary scale, and humans are the brains of Gaia. I do not agree that humans are considered by their ‘maker’ to be naturally warlike and aggressive: this is due to an external, ‘archontic’ force if you will; Sophia herself (let’s stick with the name) is totally in love with her creation. When we begin to see things from her point of view, we understand why.

I explained two days ago in a members-only Simon Parkes thread how from the outset the experiment itself, although non-aggressive, as a serious game-changer could not but pose a threat to certain ET races, and at the very least a considerable challenge to the benevolent ones. This is something that anyone could have seen coming; hence the warlike aggression against humanity has been ongoing for eons and stepped up recently because the development of nonviolent humans has reached a watershed point. Sure, the Roswell incident was crucial, but not for the UFO technology (the Nazis already had it) – it was for the protection of the nuclear aspect of the campaign already in place on the ground. Why do we see, for example, theories about 911, after exploring exotic free energy technologies, coming round to nuclear terrorism by Zionists with stolen weaponry past its use-by date? A likely answer is given in the links provided below.

For much greater clarity, I am quoting the relevant part of my post for public consumption here (it is addressed to ET, any ET). I am sure what is being discussed on this thread can fit in with this picture; I’d be interested to hear your views on that, and if and how it would solve anything.


your speaking from a place of knowing to me is totally alien. This is not how we operate on Earth. We Earth humans are on a steep learning curve where knowing is actually a hindrance, because, although possibly highly advanced, it progresses very slowly, whereas learning progresses from zero, but very quickly. Let me take a mathematical example for the sake of illustration, the actual numbers are unimportant. Say your knowing has a value of a million and progresses slowly but surely (arithmetically), and my knowing has a starting value of only one but progresses rather differently (exponentially) – say doubling at regular intervals. Now take this process through 64 stages, like grains of rice on a chess board: you have a million on every single square for a grand total of 64 million. I have on my first eight squares just 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64 and 128. The ‘64 million dollar question’ being, what is my grand total? Answer 18,446,744,073,709,551,615. (The 64 million mark is reached by the 26th square.)

All of a sudden, we have a very clear picture of humanity’s possibly unique value in the universe, and the interest, awe, and possibly sometimes envy, fear and aggressiveness of other races who see where this is heading. We understand the rich man’s cheap imperialist buyout of a developing race. We understand the corruption of certain earthlings who become powerful through skipping across to the millionaire alien side, without realizing that they are backing the wrong horse. And most of all we understand the dumbing-down that is being attempted at every level in order to stop this juggernaut. John Lash calls it archons, educationalists call it falling standards, health workers call it manmade viruses, chemtrails or vaccines, for economists it’s fiat money, the list goes on and on; the blanket expression might be the infringement of free will or interference with our creativity. In other words, we see where the apparent ‘malevolence’ is coming from: it is coming from the twofold aim of destroying something that is to be feared while exploiting the benefits to be gained: in other words, genetic splicing and predatory feeding. The situation calls for no moral judgment, beyond noting the violation of free will; simply, on pragmatic grounds, it has to stop. Those responsible will either change their ways and adapt, or they will leave.

Where do benevolent ETs fit into this picture? Well, I will leave it to them to explain themselves, but it will doubtless involve respect for our free will. I gather they understand that their knowledge would be useful to us now, and that our learning process will be useful to them later. I imagine there is a great deal of wariness because humanity poses a potentially huge threat to them, and they have seen the scale of damage that can be done, despite possibly the best of intentions, through clumsy interaction. Humanity is on the brink of destruction, which is also very bad news for ET, given the potential benefits. So what we need to understand is how the alien knowing is such a lethal instrument when it comes in contact with the human learning process, and how the human learning process can be made less threatening to the rest of the cosmos.

To begin with, with knowing, you have a fairly static external given you call reality; however huge and wonderful, it is a fairly stable reference point that takes on a degree of authority which in turn becomes codified and potentially fossilized. When injected into a less evolved civilization with a shorter lifespan, it tends towards authoritarianism, in the shape of holy books, carved-in-stone laws and regulations, royalty, ritual and bloodlines. Such a system is highly conservative, tending towards total immobility, and backward-looking (reactionary) whenever that is not possible. In other words, it is the closest thing to a closed system, with very little wiggle room for any form of novelty. I said speaking from a place of knowing is alien yet familiar. It is familiar because in humans it becomes learning by rote with no real understanding; this leads to all kinds of distortions, and gradually what is thought to be known becomes completely divorced from any underlying reality. Its practitioners are insufferably authoritarian for lack of any real authoritativeness, which is a way of suppressing the necessary freedom to operate differently. So you end up with countless false prophets despite dwindling demand, because the human mind is simply not configured to function in this way in the first place.

You know the adage: give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime. This ‘knowing’ system has set up a fishmonger’s store, and is running out of fish. The learning process generates freedom, for the man who knows how to fend for himself no longer needs his knowing supplier. On the contrary, he becomes a knowing supplier, and more than that, he can become a teacher, and still more than that, he can become a teacher of teachers. Because there is a third level: teach a man how to learn, the effect is exponential. Learning is not only exponential in the data it produces, the process itself is exponential. Take Dolores Cannon, who recently died: her passing is in one sense no great loss because she leaves behind her generations of students and teachers to carry on her work. It is all about empowerment. Compare this with someone like Courtney Brown, who has reached something of a dead end with his Farsight Institute, by working only with the best but failing to incorporate the teaching/learning process. This is ultimately knowledge without understanding, because the teaching/learning process is about discovering not only what we know but also how we know it (epistemology), and even how we understand epistemology (meta-epistemology), etc.

What I have learnt of the mechanics of this learning process is that it involves the interplay (intercourse) of the rational skull brain and the feeling gut brain, which is connected to Mother Earth herself. Since the above-described hampering of humanity leads to the former being cut off from the latter, which is the source of this creativity, it is a form of knowing that is disconnected from Earth and can have no place here. This is another way of saying that ET is a distraction, and has been at least since he planted the tree of knowledge and said it was safe to eat. But it is a distraction that has to be dealt with, and pressing the ignore button is no longer an option. Since this is a Gaia Sophia-based experiment, I don’t know how it might be exportable to other locations in the cosmos, but this is the next stage in our own learning process that we cannot shy away from.

This has been a very tentative first draft of a first chapter of what needs to be said towards an Earth-based presentation of the bigger picture; but I shall stop here, as it segues neatly into further reading at the links below, while also bringing us back on topic in this Simon Parkes thread. I agree with Simon that humanity first needs a level playing field, and this is my contribution to that. Please try and understand: we need a planet on the road to recovery, as we can achieve nothing without her.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=886200&viewfull=1#post886200
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=887377&viewfull=1#post887377
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=889817&viewfull=1#post889817

[Bob]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69697-Haemorrhagic-fever-Ebola-outbreaks-have-been-reported-accident-natural-or-bio-weapon&p=892236&viewfull=1#post892236

AIRBORNE

[TargeT]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?69697-haemorrhagic-fever-ebola-outbreaks-have-been-reported-accident-natural-or-bio-weapon&p=892236&viewfull=1#post892236

airborne

fearborne!

[Bob]

I guess they didn't want to tell us.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I know of chaos magic as 'wild magic' as per Stephen R Donaldson, The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant (great series of books by the way). Wild magic is very real, it is the magic most humans wield. Most times unfocussed, often unintentional, but very , very powerful.

[East Sun]

If you want to check out Dr. Rima there is an interview on U-TUBE that's well worth watching entitled, 'Dr. Rima exposes Genocidal Plot' .Great informative interview.

[Meesh]

Time to once again ask myself, right now in the eternal present. . . where do I choose to focus my consciousness?

Consciousness is, after all, the great manifester . . . and what I focus on . . .

[Aspen]

Speaking from the point of view of a trauma therapists who is familiar with the sadistic people who become abusive husbands - I would say that it is true that abusive mates sometimes kill their spouses. Often the reasoning is "if I can't have her - no one else can either." If the elites were compelled to leave their herd, they would rather kill them off than risk someone else "having" them. My second thought, based on work with trauma, is that it would not be wise to start humanity from scratch. We would likely be a wiser, more resilient humanity if we started our new peaceful civilization as a large collective - so that we remember the oppression we overcame. This is true in research done with animals as well. It is a biological principal that animals that have experienced trauma and then healed from it - are more resilient than those that have not. This is probably true of a collective humanity as well. Especially if we develop more telepathic abilities and connection with one another.

Although I find Bill Ryan's theory very interesting, it doesn't quite resonate because it doesn't explain how the archons fit in to the theory. Several sources teach that there are indeed vampire like beings who have human form. Presumably some of them are among the elite and that is why we hear of popes and royalty drinking human blood (Kevin Annet). Is Bill assuming that the archons will be left behind when the elite leave. Maybe the Break Away civilization is all about leaving the planet so that the elite escape the archons? If it was possible to leave the archon infestation behind, it would make sense to exterminate the archon food supply - us, the humans. However that seems unlikely to me. Unless it is true what Cobra is saying that this is the last planet where there is an archon infestation.
It seems naïve to believe that they do not exist elsewhere, or that the elite would successfully leave without them.

[KaiLee]

read up on Chaos Magic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_magic) belief is the core of this practice; and language is used as the tool to manipulate belief (chaos magic knows how powerful belief is) you could consider the OP a bit of a chaos magic spell really.

either way, it seems very applicable to this thread.



Chaos magic
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Chaosphere.svg/330px-Chaosphere.svg.png
Spellings include 'chaos' and 'kaos', and is a postmodern and post-postmodern magical tradition which emphasizes the pragmatic use of belief systems and the creation of new and unorthodox methods.[1]

Although there are a few techniques unique to chaos magick (such as some forms of sigil magic), chaos magic is often highly individualistic and borrows liberally from other belief systems, due to chaos magick having a central belief that belief is a tool. Some common sources of inspiration include such diverse areas as science fiction, scientific theories, traditional ceremonial magic, neoshamanism, Eastern philosophy, world religions, and individual experimentation. Despite tremendous individual variation, chaos magicians (sometimes called "chaotes"[2]) often work with chaotic and humorous paradigms, such as the worship of Hundun from Taoism and it is common for chaotes to believe in whatever god suits their current paradigm and discard it when necessary. Chaotes can be agnostic or atheist and regard magical practice as merely psychological, not paranormal. Some chaos magicians also use psychedelic drugs in practices such as chemognosticism.[3]
Chaos magickians are often seen by other occultists as dangerous or worrisome revolutionaries. Real kaos magickians embrace this.[2]
According to chaos practitioners a computer is the central tool for connecting the followers, building virtual knowledge libraries and it also could be used for the simulation of the online ritual environment.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_magic

Perhaps bill is a practitioner (knowingly or not)


Oh thank you so much for this. That is how I practice. I even have a ken for the 8 pointed figure. I never knew that anyone had actually written about it in such terms though. The parts about belief are crucial. Noting that belief is a tool and transient.

I've stated here that I don't have belief in the alien agenda. In my mind, that does not mean it is not real. Obviously something is going on. But due to my experience with belief I consciously refuse to interact with belief and aliens. My experience tells me belief is an invitation. Many years ago I made the decision that I no longer wished to interact with spirits. Even though I know they are real, I chose not to believe in their presence. Perhaps belief is not the precise word to use, but it resonates with the best feel.
It is my view that this is a very important topic.

[RUSirius]

Actually, I thought more about it today. One interesting thought was the god/dude at the top of the "pyramid", whose been around along time and all the rest of the attributes you mentioned, that's a possibility.

[Jake]

Actually, I thought more about it today. One interesting thought was the god/dude at the top of the "pyramid", whose been around along time and all the rest of the attributes you mentioned, that's a possibility.

Yeah, man. That's what keeps rolling around in my head too.. It sorta makes me realize that it's probably been rolling around in my head for a while now. This person is a 'purist'. 'Letting it all roll'. Like the ultimate Darwinian Theorist, as Bill called it.. The thing that catches my attention is that a 'Purist' (or someone who is willing to let things unfold and evolve on its own) will not, and Cannot stand against the world,, if that world chooses Peace..

This would be a very lonely man. I want to hold him down and give him a 'pink face' until he says UNCLE... :)

:)
Jake.

[Cidersomerset]

What was I saying about the mainstreams drip drip disclosure, I had to laugh
when I saw this even the BBC news page is joining in today....LOL .....
Which is a bit coincindental , Although dismissed by some sceptics
its an pretty compelling incident imo , with far to many witness's for
it to be imagination or mass hysteria . It was either ET's or advanced
life already here living alongside us , parrellel universe visitors, Future
time travelling tourists or advanced terrestrial military hardware , but
seems a little early for that but who knows ? But any way not just
migrating spiders...LOL.....Unless you know different ??


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24 October 2014 Last updated at 01:31

The day UFOs stopped playBy Richard Padula
BBC World Service Sport


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/78487000/jpg/_78487981_1954_2420x624.jpg

The Stadio Artemi Franchi in 1954, the year the UFOs were sighted



Sixty years ago a football match ground to a halt when unidentified flying objects were
spotted above a stadium in Florence. Did aliens come to earth? If not, what were they?

It was 27 October 1954, a typically crisp autumn day in Tuscany. The mighty Fiorentina
club was playing against its local rival Pistoiese.

Ten-thousand fans were watching in the concrete bowl of the Stadio Artemi Franchi. But
just after half-time the stadium fell eerily silent - then a roar went up from the crowd. The
spectators were no longer watching the match, but were looking up at the sky, fingers
pointing. The players stopped playing, the ball rolled to a stand-still.

One of the footballers on the pitch was Ardico Magnini - he was something of a legend
at the club and had played for Italy at the 1954 World Cup.

"I remember everything from A to Z," he says. "It was something that looked like an egg
that was moving slowly, slowly, slowly. Everyone was looking up and also there was some
glitter coming down from the sky, silver glitter.

"We were astonished we had never seen anything like it before. We were absolutely shocked."

Players pointing up at the sky
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/78473000/jpg/_78473140_f1d9ad74-9f15-47da-b9be-3e9d966a2ab7.jpg

Play was suspended because spectators saw something in the sky, according to the
referee's match report.

Among the crowd was Gigi Boni, a lifelong Fiorentina fan. "I remember clearly seeing this
incredible sight," he says. His description of multiple objects differs slightly from Magnini's.

"They were moving very fast and then they just stopped. It all lasted a couple of minutes.
I would like to describe them as being like Cuban cigars. They just reminded me of Cuban
cigars, in the way they looked."

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/78483000/jpg/_78483759_lanazionenewspapersharpx304.jpg

La Nazione had a photo of the UFO over Florence La Nazione's headline reads: Glass fibres
fall on Tuscan cities after globes and flying saucers pass by. Lower headline: The sighting
over Florence (with a photograph, now lost, of the UFO).

Boni has spent many years reliving that day in his mind. "I think they were extra-terrestrial.
That's what I believe, and there's no other explanation I can give myself."

Another of the players, Romolo Tuci, still sprightly in his 70s, agrees. "In those years everybody
was talking about aliens, everybody was talking UFOs and we had the experience, we saw them,
we saw them directly, for real."

The incident at the stadium cannot simply be interpreted as mass hysteria - there were numerous
UFO sightings in many towns across Tuscany that day and over the days that followed. According
to some eyewitness accounts a ray of white light was seen in the sky coming from Prato,
north of Florence.

Another man who relishes the chance to speak about that day is Roberto Pinotti, the president of
Italy's National UFO Centre. He has written many books about UFOs and his home in the centre of
Florence is stuffed full of alien memorabilia, posters of old Italian B-movies, framed newspaper
articles and black-and-white photographs of blurry flying saucers.

"The players and the public were stunned seeing these objects above the stadium," Pinotti says.

"At the time the newspapers spoke of aliens from Mars. Of course now we know that is not so - but
we may conclude that it was an intelligent phenomenon, a technological phenomenon and a
phenomenon that cannot be linked with anything we know on Earth."

He's also intrigued by the material that fell from the sky - what Magnini describes as silver glitter.

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Illustration showing flying saucers over Florence "A wave of flying saucers over Italy," reported
the Domenica del Corriere three years later. With thanks to the Fondazione Corriere della Sera for
the use of material from their historic archives.



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Artist's impression of UFOs over stadium A sketch of UFOs over the stadium by Silvio Neri

"It is a fact that at the same time the UFOs were seen over Florence there was a strange, sticky
substance falling from above. In English we call this 'angel hair'," says Pinotti.

"The only problem is after a short period of time it disintegrates." As a 10-year-old-boy he witnessed
this phenomenon himself. "I remember, in broad daylight, seeing the roofs of the houses in Florence
covered in this white substance for one hour and, like snow, it just evaporated.

"No-one knows what this strange substance has to do with UFOs."

"Angel hair" - the fluff that fell from the sky

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Variously described by witnesses as similar to cotton wool or cobwebs, the substance was hard to collect
because it disintegrated on contact - but some people were determined to find out what it was.

One of them was a journalist at the Florentine newspaper La Nazione, the late Giorgio Batini. In 2003 he
told an Italian television programme, Voyager, how on that day he received hundreds of phone calls about
the sightings. From the offices of La Nazione in the centre of town his own view of the sky was blocked by
the Cathedral, so he went up to the top of the newspaper's building to see what everyone was talking about.
The 81-year-old recalled seeing "shiny balls" moving fast towards the dome of the Cathedral.

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Batini ventured out to investigate. He came across a wood outside the city that was covered in the white fluff.
He gathered several samples by rolling them up on a matchstick, and took them to the Institute of Chemical
Analysis at the University of Florence. When he got there he found that others had done the same.

The lab, led by respected scientist Prof Giovanni Canneri, subjected the material to spectrographic analysis and
concluded that it contained the elements boron, silicon, calcium and magnesium, and that it was not radioactive.
Unfortunately this did not provide any conclusive answers - and the material was destroyed in the process.

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A sample of the mysterious "angel hair" A sample of the mysterious "angel hair" was photographed for the
newspapers Could it have come from a UFO? "It's an absolutely silly idea. Science totally rejects this idea,
" says US Air Force pilot-turned-astronomer James McGaha. From the Grasslands Observatory in South
Eastern Arizona he has spent more than 40,000 hours staring at the night sky. Not to mention the additional
hours he's spent in the cockpit of US fighter jets.

"You know the whole UFO phenomenon is nothing but myth, magic and superstition, wrapped up in this idea
that somehow aliens are coming here either to save us or destroy us," he says.

In McGaha's view, the whole spectacle, "angel hair" and all, was nothing more than migrating spiders.

"When I looked at this case originally I thought perhaps it was a fireball, a very bright meteor breaking up in
the atmosphere. They can be cigar-shaped with pieces breaking off. But it became fairly apparent that this
was actually caused by young spiders spinning webs, very, very thin webs.

"The spiders use these webs as sails and they link together and you get a big glob of this stuff in the sky and
the spiders ride on this to move between locations. They just fly on the wind and these things have been
recorded at 14,000 feet above the ground. So, when the sunlight glistens off this, you get all kinds of visual effects.


Short vid on migrating spider webs on link...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29342407

"As some of this stuff breaks off and falls to the ground, this all seems magical of course," says McGaha.
"But I'm fairly confident that's what happened that day."

This theory is backed up by the fact that September and October are the months when spiders in the northern
hemisphere migrate - and spectacular spider migrations still make headlines today. But it hasn't convinced everyone.

"Of course I know about the migrating spiders hypothesis - it's pure nonsense. It's an old story and also a stupid
story," says Pinotti.

He disputes the spider theory because of the chemical analysis of the "angel hair" samples. Spider silk is a
protein - an organic compound containing nitrogen, calcium, hydrogen and oxygen - not the elements
reportedly found in the samples Batini and others brought to the university.


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The witnesses reunite at Stadio Artemi Franchi: Ardico Magnini, Gigi Boni, Ronaldo Lomi and Romolo Tuci Players
Ardico Magnini, Ronaldo Lomi and Romolo Tuci with their fan Gigi Boni (second left), at the ground



Sixty years on, the chances of determining the cause of the incident are slim. "I wouldn't trust any reports of an
old and strange event like this unless I'd seen the data," says science writer Philip Ball. He agrees that the
elements said to have been observed in the "angel hair" don't seem to tally with the spider theory.

"Magnesium and calcium are fairly common elements in living bodies, boron and silicon much less so - but if these
were the main elements that the white fluff contained, it doesn't sound to me as though they'd come from spiders," he says.

So it all remains a mystery. No matter what the scientists say, those who were there are convinced that what
they saw was unlike anything on earth.

Romolo Tuci just feels lucky to have been there. His eyes dance excitedly as he remembers that curious day.
"I was spell-bound and I was also so, so happy."

Video of spiders ballooning courtesy of Rob Ferber, Little Grove Farm

Additional research by Vibeke Venema

Listen again to the Mystery of the Fiorentina UFOs as featured on World Football on BBC World Service.

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Defense Minister tell RT "Aliens Visiting Earth for Thousands of Years" Jaw Dropping Interview

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Published on 22 Jun 2014


Sophie Shevardnadze: Our guest today is the Honorable Paul Hellyer, former
minister of Defense of Canada, and he believes that life forms from space are
present on Earth. It's great to have you on our show. Why do you say that UFOs
are as real as airplanes flying over our heads?

Paul Hellyer: Because I know that they are. As a matter of fact, they've been
visiting our planet for thousands of years and one of the cases that would interest
you most if you give me two or three minutes to answer is that during the Cold
War, 1961, there were about 50 UFOs in formation flying south from Russia across
Europe, and Supreme Allied Command was very concerned and about ready to
press the "Panic" button when they turned around and went back over the North
Pole. They decided to do an investigation and they investigated for 3 years and
they decided that, with absolute certainty, four species - at least -- had been
visiting this planet for thousands of years. We have a long history of UFOs and of
course there has been a lot more activity in the last few decades, since we invented
the atomic bomb and they are very concerned about that and the fact that we
might use it again, and because the Cosmos is a unity and it affects not just us but
other people in the Cosmos, they are very much afraid that we might be stupid
enough to start using atomic weapons again, and this would be very bad for us and
for them as well.

He was Canadian minister of Defense in 1960s, ruling over the country's armed
forces during the time of the Cold War -- and when he retired he publicly stated
that we are not alone in the universe, and some guests from outer space actually
live here, on planet Earth. Is this fantasy? Is someone actually watching us? Today
we ask the man who says UFOs are a serious business -- Paul Hellyer.

If we down at least one UFO we'll be facing an interstellar war - Former Defense
Minister of Canada
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The day UFOs stopped play......Florance Italy 1954 // UFO Files of the Italian Air Force

more on .....http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76303-The-day-UFOs-stopped-play......Florance-Italy-1954-UFO-Files-of-the-Italian-Air-Force&p=892612#post892612

[araucaria]

"It is a fact that at the same time the UFOs were seen over Florence there was a strange, sticky
substance falling from above. In English we call this 'angel hair'," says Pinotti.

"The only problem is after a short period of time it disintegrates." As a 10-year-old-boy he witnessed
this phenomenon himself. "I remember, in broad daylight, seeing the roofs of the houses in Florence
covered in this white substance for one hour and, like snow, it just evaporated.

"No-one knows what this strange substance has to do with UFOs."

Nowadays angel hair comes in spray cans: :)
http://www.news.com.au/sport/football/the-magical-vanishing-foam-world-cup-referees-are-spraying-on-the-field/story-fnkjl6g2-1226956682506

[donk]

Arau-I want to thank you again for the post on the previous page, and to direct others' attention to it.

[MalteseKnight]

I do not subscribe to the view that the 'Charles' interview was a waste of time...Rather amid the dis info there were quite a few gems. Bill probably thought that he had be conned ....However, in the fullness of time things that may appear have been negative turn out to have contributed to intellectual spiritual growth in the long term

RE •After the human race was greatly thinned out, and 'optimized' (with a surviving group of now higher average ability, capability, health, strength and intelligence), that group would be controlled, harnessed, and used to go out into the galaxy....This appears to be the theme of quite a few movies. A case in point appears to be the 'Maze Runner" just released now. No spoilers but the Maze itself depicted in the movie appears to be like a giant mandala. Are we dealing with a form of negative Buddhism of the Devadatta variety?

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But why are we so blind ? ....even the Microsoft screen saver depicts the Agenda 21 program, open rolling countryside with only a very small part of the image depicting a densely congested human habitation zone consisting of towering buildings.

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•The human race as we know it is the outcome of an ET experiment.
•The ET experimenters are 100% benign and non-violent. They will not interfere, whatever happens in their experiment (which has been in progress for just under a million years, with another two million to run).

My best understanding is humans were put together by the Nommo, with the Annunaki having further tweaked human DNA for their own nefarious purposes.

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[Chester]

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http://vimeo.com/40434755

This is a form of "reverse moosh" magic. I won't say, "It won't happen," or I would be reversing the reverse.

[RUSirius]

I admit when I could be wrong, for some reason the story has stuck with me, it takes a while for me to process. I think every part of the story is possible, especially the god/dude or something along the lines of the individuals behavior and personal history, the only difference I have is a different outcome for humans, but I don't know how that will play out, just ideas.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Maybe our souls are having fun with all this. They can see it from a more expansive perspective.

[Frank V]

Maybe our souls are having fun with all this. They can see it from a more expansive perspective.

Somehow I doubt that. Unless all human souls have a perverse sense of humor, which I would find very hard to accept. But then again, my soul isn't human, and there are many aspects of humanity (and even physicality) which I myself have difficulty relating to.

Undoubtedly, human souls, like most regularly incarnating souls, seek to learn from experience - experience leads to understanding, and wanting to understand is the primary function of pure consciousness - and quite obviously, incarnation is a vessel for this learning, this experiencing. However, I seriously doubt that anyone with a sane mind would voluntarily subject themselves to the atrocities taking place here on Earth on behalf of The Powers That Be™. (I don't want to call them "the elite", because that's not a title they deserve, albeit that one could argue that it's a title they have created for themselves, being the Darwinian fascists they are.)

[peggy englebrake]

I agree with your comments. As one who also remembers volunteering for this mission many of us are like children holding sticks and wondering how this is supposed to work out. But I believe we have arranged for ourselves a secret weapon. I believe the energy now coming from the center of the blackhole in the galactic center will awaken us fully to who we are and what we can and have planned to do. In one of these nanoseconds we will laugh and throw away those sticks and fulfill our destiny.

[Baby Steps]

Maybe our souls are having fun with all this. They can see it from a more expansive perspective.

Message from the cow over soul to the human over soul : we volunteered to go into hamburgers for ten thousand years to teach you to love animals. We really can respect your mission to help these negative entities to find themselves, and it is progressing well!

[Redstar Kachina]

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[Silo]

What about this:

It seems to me that times are strange, evil, and concerning, to say the least. Given that, we all seem to be looking for some kind of antidote, solution, or even intervention from on high.

What if we imagine a world where we were like....hey....don't come down here and mess with us....we just got this place cleaned up.

For example: a post-scarcity, post-war, world where everyone was content and flourishing as a being.

Can you imagine a scenario where some intrusion into our affairs would be unwelcome?

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

The Elite Class are only elite because there exists a Non-Elite Class. If they all go underground or fly away leaving the Non-Elite behind, who will take out their garbage, plant the seeds, chop wood, carry water?

Reminds me of the hitch hikers guide to the Galaxy- maybe the elite are building the ships to get rid of the pen pushers,accountants and hair dressers!

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/04/26/nyregion/boy-s-long-brush-with-death-toddler-survives-after-hours-without-oxygen-pulse.html

When the body is cooled rapidly and stays very cold, the heart stops beating. But the body's metabolism also comes to a near standstill, sharply reducing the vital organs' need for blood and oxygen. At a body temperature below 80 degrees, a person can survive for a number of hours in a sort of suspended animation -- not measurably alive, yet not technically dead.
When warmed up, the body can -- miraculously -- churn back to life, which is why ambulance crews will never pronounce a patient dead if he or she is cold.

The scenario presented in the Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy is no so farfetched, the human body seems to have an engineered emergency mechanism to go into hibernation when exposed to cold, and this is with no technological assistance, imagine how long a stasis state could be achieved if assisted... The human race may have been moved before and if we really are in a 3-D reality it would be a simple matter to recreate the environment and the ‘participants’ on the ground would wake up like they always do, a new day and have no idea they were moved, buildings, structures, flowers blooming in the front yard just as you left them...

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

no no don't frighten these lovely people ,let em go ,amen

If the elite want to leave Earth , I would say to them what the plajaren have said , there are many dangers in space , and always someone who carries a bigger club ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vj4N2RHYc0&index=13&list=UUMigail07yqgyiPeJZBvNjg

Captain K (if you can believe his story of spending 17 years on Mars) reminds us you don’t just move to a new planet and not have to adjust to the new entity that governs said rock, he claims his personality on Mars was totally different then when he’s on Earth, interfacing with the energy of each new environment can be difficult to say the least. I feel it just moving to new cities.

[cuitlahuac]

GALACTIC PLANETARY WILDLIFE PARK (AFRICA).

According to Capt. Bill Robertson, Africa was a Planetary Wildlife Park 75 million years ago.


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Imagine that it's been broadly decided, or agreed, or accepted, among the many races of ETs looking on, that Planet Earth should be — and the term sounds trite — a kind of GALACTIC PLANETARY WILDLIFE PARK. A huge nature reserve. For the benefit of all. That the Earth should be allowed to lie fallow, to regenerate, to heal, to recover... which it would, in maybe less than a few hundred years, without the destructive influence of Man.



Without that — there is no chance of changing anything. All discussion is invited.

:)

[InnoSent]

It sounds like something a computer would write. No offense. AI is a hot topic these days. IMO, we need to go back to the days of old world craftsmanship. Everything is so cheaply built these days. I recently taught myself to solder when I broke a circuit on my guitar, and although electrical engineering is a fairly newer kind of skill, it all relates to being less dependent on others, to DIY, and it awakened the artisan in my blood. My grandpa has been gone a few years now and my aunt says no one has touched all his woodcarving tools and that she would send them to me. I was so thrilled with the feeling of creating a successful circuit it made me want to create furniture, guitars, etc. As the old saying goes, one thing leads to another.

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[Mauree]

Sounds a bit like alternative three?

[AriG]

Bill,

This topic is so timely and compelling. I am attempting to root through all the posts, but am left with the impression that the point is being missed by some. That point being is that we and the world are, essentially one giant pasture that has been grazed to the point of contamination (as a hobby farmer, I understand the importance of rotating pasture).

What is more compelling to me is that the overlords (or as you referenced, one Phillip Mountbatten) have allowed these conditions to persist and accelerate beginning in the 19th century, perhaps as a result of Rothschilds influence. Regardless of the circumstances, these "overlords" were not preemptive in their duties and are culpable for the result. They cannot claim to love this Earth, yet turn a blind eye to the exponential growth that has caused this condition. Exponential growth that furthered their survival. An essential rape of the planet. And it makes no sense to save a Scottish manor house and endorse 'Seeds' in a vain attempt to escape responsibility.

I would like to think that all of we barnyard animals will hold a "revolllushun" and once the parasites have exited the theater, that we, collectively, will take the necessary steps to restore balance and harmony. The only reason to rotate pasture is parasite load. Once parasites have been eradicated or gone off planet, rotation is much less necessary.

The best thing that we as thinking animals can do is (1) Avoid municipal water (2) Avoid GMO (3) Take no immunizations (and that includes our animals) and (4) get out of cities.

and (5) Take responsibility for ourselves so that they are not compelled to exterminate us upon their exit. Give them a reason to believe that the "science experiment" might have some future value. In the interim, we can prepare for their return.

And NO, you are not nuts! This vortex is, but definitely not you. Sanest of the sane, imho.

[wnlight]

Paul, Yes, you are "blessed with a higher awareness, a spirit, a soul - that can and will and should live on" after you die. Perhaps will will then choose to return to this Earth, or another world.

[wnlight]

I have waded through all of this talk of doomsday and am quite dismayed that none of you mentioned a more positive senerio. One in which humanity IS waking up. One in which we are also waking up to the fact that humans have great powers to control their world and make life agreeable to all. Maybe that is why the 'elite' are leaving. Maybe they see that they are losing control.

[Daozen]

I have waded through all of this talk of doomsday and am quite dismayed that none of you mentioned a more positive senerio. One in which humanity IS waking up. One in which we are also waking up to the fact that humans have great powers to control their world and make life agreeable to all. Maybe that is why the 'elite' are leaving. Maybe they see that they are losing control.

Right. None of this doomsday stuff will come true... Notice Ebola is dying down, after multiple people tried to pump it out of all proportion. Last year Syria and DHS insiders were in fashion.

A lot of us have spent time this summer compiling lists of simple technology that could solve nearly every major problem we have. Bill has provided (and paid for) a good platform for us to meet, but has completely ignored all our efforts. Instead of helping us promote our findings, we get more unfounded speculation and vague eschatology. I've invited him to cooperate several times, to no avail.

Join the winning team, Bill.

[betoobig]

Can You please think or imaging of a positive timeline in which we, the humans of gaia(as i know 20 per cent of the population) were vibrating in 2012 grounding enough light into Gaia so now we really are in a positive timeline. The drako allways argue that this planet is theirs so they Will only leave if they loose it, and they Will need enough humans to take with them, the ones who work better for them is the elite, in order to keep feeding from them, and to not have to start the experiment all over.
So far we have seen recently a Huge explosion in Mars, i guess all the elite's infrastructure are wipe out.
I think they have this B plan to exit the planet.... I Will let them go, right away.
We all have brought foreward some great help thanks to our increasing vibration.
We are in a positive timeline and there Will be no major catastrophy.
Love

[donk]

I would like to add another part to the maybe fairy story..what if some of the ptb woke up..enough to see who there master truly is.what it is.in seing this truth..realizing that they served a master..s that intended to hold no deal or escape clause because there not human.dont think or feel as a human and don't hold to earth bound laws or morals....that they/ptb would be harvested along with the rest.so in fighting begins..cause they realize there master will not hold to terms..why would they???the elite/royal bloodlines... like noahs ark could simply bee stored for repopulation at a later time..why go through the trouble of giving a slave race another planet..???when you have one right here.shoot...mamma earth even cleans up herself given enough time..now to flip it or add another aspect,..adding halloways/viveks solid work and is very close to the mark in my op..lets say another factor comes into play..the earth has an immune system and this immune system is in full gear and building as I type and we/us you and mee..we a part of that immune system despite our treatment and non earth genes..we are still of the earth.manifesting in this timeline..in human bodies on planet earth...I feel this is something the dracos/controllers hadn't counted on or.....will do everything in there power to control..and realizing as they bear down..the harder they push..the stronger we will/are slowly becoming and are now going through..evolution...that's what I hope im seeing in this other fairy story...hope..maybe:thumb:
truth and balance.

...it wasn't ALL negative, guys...check out William

There is definitely some commonality to "anomolous" experiences, that may be important to work out...but we can't do it without loving detachment. I like the reminder that we are all on the same team...so the only thing to fix any messes is...to remember that. If there's no teams, there's no fight, no competition.

Our "battle" is a sublter than one than most can phathom: It's the battle to end battlin'...imagine that, how sweet would that be??

We got to remember not to take sh!t personally...any of it. And when we do, figure out why. That's where I tend to find the closest things to "answers" available in this experience...

[Alberto e Daniela]

Warm greetings everybody,

in the cosmology taught by the Fourth Way (P.D. Ouspensky), mankind is seen as necessary as an energy transformer, a thin skin around the Earth, which receives, processes and sends certain vibration to and from other celestial bodies of the solar system.

Therefore, in this perspective, higher forces which promote the growth of the solar system would not allow an extermination of our race.
Wars, suffering, and trouble would be there, of course, to also create those vibrations which earned our planet the name ¨the pain factory¨, but nothing so massive that strips off a much needed organ from the body of a greater cosmos.

Let´s hope they´re right! :)

[Kwitt]

Thx Bill. I'm with on the whole scenario except I believe there are forces that won't allow it to go down that way. It's a strong hunch. Not much more. However, I prefer creating in my spirit a redemptive answer to this mess, albeit maybe at the last moment, rather than sync my creative powers with those dark forces. At the very least, I want to enjoy this garden we live in right up to the very end.

[Gatita]

I need to read Demon In the Freezer and Hot Zone. I have had dreams about bio-weapons, and I have had dreams about aboriginal folk. Were they really dreams, or were they something more?

Gatita

[Desire]

:mod:I do believe that the Nefilum(Annunaki)Experimented with earth hominoids and created offspring but we seem to have a lot of human pychopaths as well.We must eliminate them with our mind powers while keeping our vibrations high.IMHO.

[Linda Brown]

Mr. Ryan...

On a much earlier post I notice that you made the statement that you believe that the Roswell "crash" involved " Time Travelers". I wondered a couple of things/

When was it precisely that thought struck your conciousness? Did it come to you right away, as in a flash?... or was this something that evolved in your thinking and.....

However it happened. How does that thought find a spot in your new " Ultimate Plan?"

Thanking you in advance for whatever answer there is..... Linda

[Frank V]

Mr. Ryan...

On a much earlier post I notice that you made the statement that you believe that the Roswell "crash" involved " Time Travelers". I wondered a couple of things/

When was it precisely that thought struck your conciousness? Did it come to you right away, as in a flash?... or was this something that evolved in your thinking and.....

However it happened. How does that thought find a spot in your new " Ultimate Plan?"

Thanking you in advance for whatever answer there is..... Linda

Linda, I'm not Bill Ryan and I don't wish to speak for him, but the notion that the Roswell craft and its survivors were time travelers was brought to the table in the interview that Project Camelot - of which Bill was a member at the time - did with "Dan Burisch" (real name: Daniel Craine), a US Air Force officer who was part of (the reformed) Majestic/Majic/MJ-12 group.

Given that Project Camelot's site loads rather slowly, you can watch the three parts of the Dan Burisch interviews here below...

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The video below - also courtesy of Project Camelot - is of the workshop Dan Burisch and his girlfriend Marci McDowell did at the Zurich conference in 2009.

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If for some reason none of the above embedded videos work for you - YouTube/Google has some weird policies going on - then you can find a list of Dan Burisch videos on YouTube directly by clicking here (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=project+camelot+dan+burisch).

[TargeT]

...it wasn't ALL negative,


Ahhem.....


Just an FYI..

There maybe a breakaway civilization (and good ridence, go try and make your way elsewhere, none of us will miss you), there maybe people bent on the depopulation of earth (but it's too late, they need our cooperation to do it; and they don't have it anymore).

you know what?

none of this (doom and gloom) will happen; none of this CAN happen. there are no "Demons in the freezer" there is no super bioweapon that will kill millions of us in 3 days.

This is the old way of thinking, it's not going to happen; the tide has turned. Even this Ebola scare is doubted by everyone now, even the most "uneducated" are questioning it.

Sorry darkness, your time has passed, the pendulum is swinging the otherway now, your old ideas were not acted on in time; it's over.

We will be fine, we WILL be; just a few more rumbles and shakes (turmoil) as the power slowly shifts back in the other direction are all I see coming.



yes, not all negative.

[Bill Ryan]

I have waded through all of this talk of doomsday and am quite dismayed that none of you mentioned a more positive senerio. One in which humanity IS waking up. One in which we are also waking up to the fact that humans have great powers to control their world and make life agreeable to all. Maybe that is why the 'elite' are leaving. Maybe they see that they are losing control.

Right. None of this doomsday stuff will come true... Notice Ebola is dying down, after multiple people tried to pump it out of all proportion. Last year Syria and DHS insiders were in fashion.

A lot of us have spent time this summer compiling lists of simple technology that could solve nearly every major problem we have. Bill has provided (and paid for) a good platform for us to meet, but has completely ignored all our efforts. Instead of helping us promote our findings, we get more unfounded speculation and vague eschatology. I've invited him to cooperate several times, to no avail.

Join the winning team, Bill.

Thanks for this, but from what you write, I think that maybe you don't understand me fully. Perhaps I can say a little more!

Everyone who knows me personally understands that I'm an extraordinarily positive person. But it's my JOB to warn of dangers and to consider contingencies.

I never intentionally 'spread fear'. This is nothing to do with fear-mongering, or doomsaying, or negativity of any kind.

If I'm guiding a client on a mountain (I used to do this, as a semi-professional mountaineer), and I sense an avalanche danger, or a coming storm, or that it may be too late in the day to make the summit and return safely to camp, that's not spreading fear. That's being responsible, and it would be my job.

Sometimes I'd make the call, and sometimes I'd consult with my clients, partners or friends to ask them what personal risk they were willing to take. But they would need to be well-informed of the facts.

Sometimes, the facts are just not certain; but I'd still need to inform them of possibilities.

I would not be trying to make my client afraid. I'd be wanting to take the best possible care of him so that he'd return to his family safely at the end of a memorable adventure.

[Bill Ryan]

Mr. Ryan...

On a much earlier post I notice that you made the statement that you believe that the Roswell "crash" involved " Time Travelers". I wondered a couple of things/

When was it precisely that thought struck your conciousness? Did it come to you right away, as in a flash?... or was this something that evolved in your thinking and.....

However it happened. How does that thought find a spot in your new " Ultimate Plan?"

Thanking you in advance for whatever answer there is..... Linda



Yes — Dan Burisch (see the links above) — and ALSO Camelot witness 'Henry Deacon' (real name Arthur Neumann), who told us this:

http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_2.html





Roswell

The Roswell visitors were future humans – as Dan Burisch has stated. They were not from another planet, but from a future Earth – stepping (which is a better word than "traveling") back in time to 1947 to attempt to deal with the problems which had occurred in their history. Apparently, Dan was also correct in that the Roswell visitors were from earlier in the future than some other visitors who arrived subsequently. But Henry didn’t give details or time frames.

The Roswell visitors were on a purely altruistic mission. They did not have to do this, but chose to... out of compassion. But the mission went disastrously wrong – not just because they crashed (an accident caused by high-powered radar – later the military realized this and adapted the radar as a weapon), but because they had a device with them which was their only means, as an orientation device in time and space, to get them home and back to their own time.

The device was a little box, far smaller than the "Looking Glass" that Dan Burisch and Bill Hamilton describe as being subsequently utilized by military scientists in various experiments. When the box was acquired and investigated by the military, this became a catastrophe in itself. It made the timeline problem many times worse, because this both introduced the time-portal technology to us at the wrong time... and also told the military what lay ahead.

Henry could not stress too strongly how totally calamitous for us all the Roswell incident was. It was a major, major setback, right at the start of the future humans' project to help fix the problem.

Since then, there have been continued attempts by the future humans to remedy the exacerbated situation. This is what has caused an overlay of timelines, creating a tangled complexity which apparently is challenging for even the most brilliant present-day minds to understand fully.

We asked Henry why the disks kept on crashing, almost year after year. He said that it seemed strange that the visitors had not evaluated the risk from radar before they returned in time, but he explained it was just very dangerous for them to be here for a variety of reasons, despite their advanced technology. Crashes have been caused by many factors, including offensive action. Importantly, Henry emphasized that the Roswell visitors were not the Grays. (He did not mention who the Grays were.)

[Davidallany]

Thank you Bill for sharing this. This is deep indeed. I don't know how far have They gotten with their experiments on Humans, but from my observations, I believe that a substancial superiority in some humans has not been achieved just yet. Then again that's just my opinion. A person with far more information could entirely dismiss it.
As for the Elites who call most humans "useless eaters" I have no doubt whatsoever that they would do whatever is in their best interest to survive and feel more at ease, even if that means sacrificing most of humans.
For me, with my very limited intellect, limited biological sensory equipment and Human-frailties, I feel that there is much room for upgrades and even more obsecurity and secret grand plans.

[Gatita]

Spreading fear and making people aware of possibilities are not the same thing. If I tell a diabetic patient that continued noncompliance with a diabetic diet can lead to serious complications, that's not spreading fear. That's just reality. If I tell that same patient that he's going to lose his legs if he doesn't straighten up, and I also tell his family that, that's spreading fear. In my case, it's also practicing medicine without a license.

Gatita

[Daozen]

I have waded through all of this talk of doomsday and am quite dismayed that none of you mentioned a more positive senerio. One in which humanity IS waking up. One in which we are also waking up to the fact that humans have great powers to control their world and make life agreeable to all. Maybe that is why the 'elite' are leaving. Maybe they see that they are losing control.

Right. None of this doomsday stuff will come true... Notice Ebola is dying down, after multiple people tried to pump it out of all proportion. Last year Syria and DHS insiders were in fashion.

A lot of us have spent time this summer compiling lists of simple technology that could solve nearly every major problem we have. Bill has provided (and paid for) a good platform for us to meet, but has completely ignored all our efforts. Instead of helping us promote our findings, we get more unfounded speculation and vague eschatology. I've invited him to cooperate several times, to no avail.

Join the winning team, Bill.

Thanks for this, but from what you write, I think that maybe you don't understand me fully. Perhaps I can say a little more!

Everyone who knows me personally understands that I'm an extraordinarily positive person. But it's my JOB to warn of dangers and to consider contingencies.

I never intentionally 'spread fear'. This is nothing to do with fear-mongering, or doomsaying, or negativity of any kind.

If I'm guiding a client on a mountain (I used to do this, as a semi-professional mountaineer), and I sense an avalanche danger, or a coming storm, or that it may be too late in the day to make the summit and return safely to camp, that's not spreading fear. That's being responsible, and it would be my job.

Sometimes I'd make the call, and sometimes I'd consult with my clients, partners or friends to ask them what personal risk they were willing to take. But they would need to be well-informed of the facts.

Sometimes, the facts are just not certain; but I'd still need to inform them of possibilities.

I would not be trying to make my client afraid. I'd be wanting to take the best possible care of him so that he'd return to his family safely at the end of a memorable adventure.

No doubt you're an awesome researcher, and you've created one of the best forums on the internet. I think most people here are sufficiently aware of the dangers we face. We know there's an unstable Mid East situation, a threat of more wars, and bioweapons sitting in labs all over the place. Now that's common knowledge, I want to get on with making a better world, and creating a positive timeline. Anyway... As I've trolled you enough with my requests this week, I'll leave you all to it, and go back to my subterranean lair.

I think these are just the early years, and one day we'll rise above our fear, and start forging the destiny we deserve.

Peace...

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi Bill and all.
My main reason for this reply (which relates to the =Utah Desert Space-Plane's) is the subject of 'Black-Magic' and the subliminal telling/disclosure by 'Them' 'PTB' or rather I should call them the 'PTW' and or 'Breakaway's'
You know! for them to do things they have to tell us, but! not outright they do it through MSM subliminal dribs and drabs, some times many, many years in advance, Hmm!.

I point to this 'Microsoft' trailer, in it's day a very advanced game!

From 2003 'Microsoft Freelancer' Trailer 2003


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlgBT-wGAVY

Well worth the watch in relation to the evacuation of dear old Earth by PTW and breakaways!


In above Vid at point 2:03 ''Coalition and the Alliance ' Sleeper Ships' 7 in all!

They remind me of and look like the 'Utah Desert Space-Plane's'

The last few paragraphs spoken in the trailer are interesting, we just have to times the age by 10 or maybe 100 lol and change the words 'We will never forget' to 'We did forget but now remember'!

(In Part sad to say I played this game, or rather fought hard in this game for 2 or 3 years. I ended up as a Clan leader of the once mighty 'NRNR' 'Novus Romanus Respublic'
Well I believe it was me playing a game DHO! it was all very serious to me back then. I had made a few great friends through that game and clan, we fought side by side through many battles and inter clan wars. One battle I actually played at the keyboard for a full 3 Days to make sure it was not won by a rather unworthy but strong clan!

If only I could get activated in RL like that!
)
Add to the above game trailer this now famous film;


'When Worlds Collide' is a 1951
"The film tells the story of the coming destruction of the Earth by the rogue star Bellus and the desperate efforts to build a space ark that will save and transport a small portion of humanity to the star's single orbiting planet, Zyra. As the Earth is destroyed by its collision with Bellus, the space ark safely lands on Zyra and humanity's survivors disembark on their new world to face a hopeful future."
Great old film well worth watching!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Worlds_Collide_(1951_film)

The actual story is about a few 'Ellite' that have the ship built for them selves but are stopped at the last minute and a broader more worthy group go instead :)

Also relating to the film and 'Breakaways' is:
2012 Predicted In 1951 Movie "When Worlds Collide" - Hidden Symbols

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaBh19YjsrY
;)


Well I totally agree with you Bill!
I have as long as I can remember had the notion that we have been used, and so will be thrown away by PTW, and that there have been 'Breakaways' both distant past and present!
I totally agree but now have a far greater understanding/examples of this scenario/reality.

I can quite honestly say my present view of reality has happened because Avalon, Avalon Members, 'Whistle-blowers' member posts and extension links from Avalon!

On a parallel line is: Interstellar
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthd.php?76861-Interstellar-Christopher-Nolan-Filmrea

So Bumping your post Bill ;)
:bump2:

[edina]

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Imagine that above ALL of those, there was one individual, the capstone of the pyramid. The Godfather, as it were.

Imagine that this individual considers himself (and is considered to be) 'Royal'.

Imagine that somehow he does not age... or is maybe simply many, many hundreds of years old. He is 'always there'. His name is only known by those in his immediate circle.

Imagine that he is felt to be 'untouchable'. No 'coup' would ever be considered.

Imagine that he observes all in his domain with tolerance and dispassion. He has seen it all. He does not attend the rituals, the 'costume parties', the practices that we would call barbaric, evil and satanic.

Imagine that he just lets that all happen. He lets it all roll. Imagine that he is the ultimate Darwinian theorist: meaning, that if things evolve in a certain way, then it's all natural and 'good'. But of course, the very act of human decision-making is also part of that natural process.

Imagine that this individual is convinced that God does not exist. Otherwise, He would have intervened. Therefore, this man must play God. He considers it his Duty.

Imagine that this individual does not like what he sees. He does not like the destruction of this beautiful planet. He despises the small stupidity of so many humans. He does not endorse the large-scale, destructive, power-grabbing selfishness of those below him in the power structure.

Imagine he is a genuine lover of art, music, nature, philosophy, literature. Imagine he is a man of vision... in his own terms, by his own definition.

Imagine that he has decided he is going to save the planet.

And imagine that is why the ruling elite are planning to EVACUATE the planet.

:)

From your hypothesis, this repeated reference to this "one" individual is a most interesting bit to me.

I'm curious as to who you may be referring to in our "imagination"?

I've just listened to the most recent interview with Simon Parkes and a question is raised by the interviewers.

Who is in charge?
Who makes the decision for a go, or no go, on full disclosure?

The answer is not so clear cut.

Ultimately, it seems to point to a particular repitlian with whom the bloodlined families must obey.

Would we be talking about Manu? Possibly?

We've experienced firsthand, repeatedly, how effective our combined focus is in having impact on how matters play out in the field.

Perhaps the people of the forum could initiate a highly focussed creative action whereby we co-creatively manifest a Future of OUR choosing? Does this sound do-able to you?

If so, is this an action that people here would be interested in participating in?

[Daozen]

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Imagine that above ALL of those, there was one individual, the capstone of the pyramid. The Godfather, as it were.

Imagine that this individual considers himself (and is considered to be) 'Royal'.

Imagine that somehow he does not age... or is maybe simply many, many hundreds of years old. He is 'always there'. His name is only known by those in his immediate circle.

Imagine that he is felt to be 'untouchable'. No 'coup' would ever be considered.

Imagine that he observes all in his domain with tolerance and dispassion. He has seen it all. He does not attend the rituals, the 'costume parties', the practices that we would call barbaric, evil and satanic.

Imagine that he just lets that all happen. He lets it all roll. Imagine that he is the ultimate Darwinian theorist: meaning, that if things evolve in a certain way, then it's all natural and 'good'. But of course, the very act of human decision-making is also part of that natural process.

Imagine that this individual is convinced that God does not exist. Otherwise, He would have intervened. Therefore, this man must play God. He considers it his Duty.

Imagine that this individual does not like what he sees. He does not like the destruction of this beautiful planet. He despises the small stupidity of so many humans. He does not endorse the large-scale, destructive, power-grabbing selfishness of those below him in the power structure.

Imagine he is a genuine lover of art, music, nature, philosophy, literature. Imagine he is a man of vision... in his own terms, by his own definition.

Imagine that he has decided he is going to save the planet.

And imagine that is why the ruling elite are planning to EVACUATE the planet.

:)

From your hypothesis, this repeated reference to this "one" individual is a most interesting bit to me.

I'm curious as to who you may referring to in our "imagination"?

I've just listened to the most recent interview with Simon Parkes and a question is raised by the interviewers.

Who is in charge?
Who makes the decision for a go, or no go, on full disclosure?

The answer is not so clear cut.

Ultimately, it seems to point to a particular repitlian with whom the bloodlined families must obey.

Would we be talking about Manu? Possibly?

We've experienced firsthand, repeatedly, how effective our combined focus is in having impact on how matters play out in the field.

Perhaps the people of the forum could initiate a highly focussed creative action whereby we co-creatively manifest a Future of OUR choosing? Does this sound do-able to you?

If so, is this an action that people here would be interested in participating in?

I agree.

I think we could:

1) Dissolve the problem (I agree with Bill that there are high ranking individuals behind the scenes with various nefarious plans)

2) Talk about, manifest, and focus on the future we want.

Both aspects could be done online, or as a meditation. Just writing these ideas sets an intention.

[edina]

I once looked at the old Avalon forum, just before it broke up into Project Camelot and the present Avalon.
There's a link to that archived forum somewhere here.

At that time they were doing group meditations that had as many as 3000 people actively participating at a time.
That fact was insightful to me.

This sort of action does require genuine interest and coordination, though.

[Daozen]

This sort of action does require genuine interest and coordination, though.

There's plenty of interest. Coordination? I guess it starts with a thread and a statement of intent. I don't get too hung up on synchronized times as I live out east.

[edina]

Thank you for your encouragement.

I've said the word, the one that some have feared to speak, and have watched for any energetic backlash. There was none., or it was only slight, nothing severe, so I will proceed...

While I think it is important to very clear about our environment, the lay of the road ahead of us, so to speak, and this is what we do when we look into these hypothesis of what the elite are doing, or the controllers or whatever...
I feel it is equally important, perhaps more so, to be clear about our intent to place our focus on what we came here to the planet to do. Where your focus goes, energy flows...

Each of us are Infinite and Immortal Spiritual Beings, consummate Creators in our own right.
Within the heart of each of us, we carry a vision that can only be fulfilled by each of us, uniquely, through the active process of engaging with each other in highly creative and interconnected ways.

This is becoming even more apparent in the younger generations, where the soul amnesia of the system is diminishing. In fact, you can say the system of control is breaking down.

The real concern now becomes how will we fill the void created by this breakdown?
Or will we decide to let another parental type system fill it?

In a culture of slavery, the slaves are always looking and trying to anticipate the moods, attitudes, behaviors, and so forth of their masters. These are almost unconscious habits of slaves. The masters set the tone of the actions of the culture.

Very often the people in the lower echelons of those cultures are hugely disconnected from their unique gifts and vision. The controllers of the old system are becoming irrelevant. We are relevant. Who we are, what we came here to do, individually, and as a group, this is what is now relevant.

The instrument of our imagination is one of our most potent creational tools.
It's important to become very aware, deliberate and intelligent in how we wield our imagination.

Imagine how differently we will feel and behave when we can have as much clarity about what we want to co-create as we have about what we imagine the controllers, or elite have planned.

When we determine our actions based on their actions, we are out of sync, or disconnected with our own creational power. This puts us in reaction mode. Creation mode is probably a far more effective base to operate from, it connects us to our Spirit Selves, and the larger plan afoot.

I looked at the two threads that Running Deer suggested I look at to see what the membership of this forum is presently doing. I do rather appreciate the Remote Spiritual Assistance idea that Bill offered as a springboard.

I am inspired to consider more creational actions than simply the group meditation concept, although I do feel group meditations can be effective. I worked with a group once, where we focussed our attention in certain areas, and just the simple act of putting our focus, as Bill Ryan said, in a highly leveraged point, had impact on how events evolved. It's useful.

I'm going to sleep on this for a few nights. And see what the creative forces bring forth.
Meanwhile, anyone who is interested, please feel free to contact me. I will likely ask a few questions, because I will want to get a sense and feel for your unique gifts, potentials and higher purposes.

I really do consider the plans of the old guard irrelevant now... they have made themselves irrelevant by the lack of integrity in their actions to the planet and the rest of life, including humanity, on this planet. They will not be allowed to flee... they too, are in this together with us, whether they want to be, or not.

[birddog]

Hi Wnlight, Let me share with you a silver lining....there is always one if you look. People are waking up. They are aware and feeling what is happening in their world and how it effects them and future generations. So, some are gathering together for meditation and healing, as well as sharing of experiences, so that all may learn from each other's experience.

I grew up being different and having abilities that most people 'just didn't understand', or believe, so imagine my joy at meeting up with like minded people with gifts of understanding and knowing of another through auras, natural long distance telepathy, the ability to bilocate, jump into another world so like ours without technology, astral travel, healing others,the ability to detect disease or anomolies in others, see auras, moving about by 'thought and intent', and meeting of peoples of different worlds. These are all examples of humans coming in touch with their higher self, and growing spiritually. People are waking up to who they really are. I really believe this will happen to many more, as we move into a time where we will become the 'Earth Family' that we were always meant to be.

The real silver lining---we are not alone in this. :) Even Jesus is watching. I will tell you why He can walk on water. Because He can stand (in the flesh) on air!

[Frances Rose]

Hi Bill Thank you for sharing This. What if mankind will better themselves by caring for all life on this Earth, a lot of people are doing this now, it's not perfect but they are trying. It is up to us to make this a better world for the future of mankind. There is lot of things we can do to make life better one step at a time. People are starting to do it what I been reading and seeing on TV. to get rid of people not the answer to save the Earth, they have every right to be here to live and learn. There is a lot of good people who are fighting for all of us now to make this a better world to live in. It up to all of us to change our Timeline for the better. I believe in a great future for mankind.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Hi Bill. Interesting ideas. They certainly got me thinking. I have a question: now that all this time has passed and because the original thread you linked to mentions him, what are your thoughts on "Charles" nowadays?

Good question. As best I recall, 'Charles' stated the following. (See below...)

Note: he did NOT know everything. He knew about ETs, but was not personally very interested in that aspect of the big picture. From what I understood, quite a bit of what he knew had been picked up along the way from conversations he had heard, or been in the fringe of.

These notes I believe are to be very seriously considered. They ring true. They came from our very earliest conversations, in August 2010 when he first contacted me, in two long Skype calls a week apart, each lasting several hours.



The human race as we know it is the outcome of an ET experiment.



The ET experimenters are 100% benign and non-violent. They will not interfere, whatever happens in their experiment (which has been in progress for just under a million years, with another two million to run).



What was UNPLANNED is that the human race would get hold of advanced technology (from UFO crashes, which were never intended or anticipated by the experimenters) — and use this to escape the planet and go off into the galaxy.



The ET experimenters are very worried about this, because of how warlike and aggressive humans often are. Nevertheless, they will NOT take any action to prevent or stop this.



Those who consider they 'rule' the human race and the planet intend to reduce the global population. 'Charles' thought they would do this through engineered famine. The 'natural selection' that would ensue would mean that the smartest and most able (apart from the forewarned and prepared elite) would survive. So the human race would be 'optimized' through this very strong 'environmental challenge to the species' (as biologists put it).



After the human race was greatly thinned out, and 'optimized' (with a surviving group of now higher average ability, capability, health, strength and intelligence), that group would be controlled, harnessed, and used to go out into the galaxy.



My analogy from the above: the monkeys in the laboratory cage have got hold of the keys to the cage, have grabbed the weapons, found the keys to the truck, and are about to jump into the truck and all go off downtown as fast as they can. And the scientists in the lab, while all this was unplanned, just continue observing and taking notes.


None of the above is in any way incompatible with the Fairy Story presented here.......

Just seen this. Thanks for the info but what I meant is do you believe Charles and his story now there is some distance?
He took a lot of people in and caused a lot of problems in this forum which resulted in you not posting for a while if I remember?
For me, I was on the fence but with some distance now, I think he was a con man.
Just wondered what your opinion is as you obviously had direct contact with him and publicised his story, you probably have a better view of it than most of us.
Cheers.

[t2016]

I believe the new technology from MT Keshe (Keshe Foundation) can help. At least, what we can get is water and electricity.
http://www.keshefoundation.org/

[CarlS]

There is nothing to fear because:

1. We are all immortal, spiritual beings. A body can die but we don't.

2. This may be a possible time line but I believe there are countless others we may choose to exist in based on what we want and believe.

3. If someone chose that genocide time line, the psychic vampires would have decided to not keep them trapped here and they would be free to return to a world they had earlier spent time on and thus be reunited with family and friends.

[Atlas]

[...] They are the kings of the world [...]
The kings at that time, proud of their strength and fighting for absolute power, revolted against the spiritually advanced sages, who generally guided government. [...] in their envy, the aggressive leaders had relentlessly harassed the sages for generations. The sages had been forgiving the kings' misdemeanors, until the situation got out of hand. [...] Lord Parashurama was an archer empowered by Lord Krishna to defeat all unruly leaders (source (http://btg.krishna.com/lord-parashuramas-revolution))

As per the Mahabharata, Parashurama single-handedly successfully conquered the entire world (source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parashurama))
http://www.maadurgawallpaper.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/parashurama_god.jpg

according to the authority of the Mahābhārata, the kings of Egypt originally migrated from India because of Paraśurāma's program of chastisement. [...] Lord Paraśurāma established that the killing art, although sometimes necessary, is not good. [...] Thus, from time immemorial the killing of living entities is prohibited all over the world. (source (http://vaniquotes.org/wiki/Lord_Parasurama_killed_all_the_ksatriyas_twenty-one_times))

[Ines]

Thank you, Bill Ryan, for sharing with us your very documented view of this terrorific plan of the global controllers. I wish you could give us an UPDATE on this, as this thread is from October 2014.

We are in July 2016, and many things have change, new developments in sight and occurring on a daily basis. The first thing that came to my mind, as I read the probabilities of "them" leaving this planet and us to die and dissapeared, was: " well, the world´s "elite" can live the planet all right, but they are going to find out that there are other players out of our Solar System, and they have been "inside" for millennia, not only the ones they are counting on."

And so, there is so much information about the awakening of Humans to their reality and the efforts being done to prevent disaster and annihilation; there´s even some talking about an "alliance" with good will ET´s. There is so much disinformation we have to deal with, but we can use our dicernment, intuition and use tools in Internet to corroborate what we find, looking for several sources. And that´s WHY WE ARE HERE AT THIS FORUM, to help each other.

May 6, 2015... First Article I read about The Secret Space Program, from David Wilcock in Divine Cosmos.

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1178-ssp-exposure

Some years back, I stumble on information about the efforts being made by Dr. Steven Greer and his Team, on the Disclosure Project.
http://www.disclosureproject.org/


Exopolitics: Secret Space Program and Extra Terrestrial Alliances:

http://exopolitics.org/uncensored-history-revealed-with-secret-space-program-disclosures/

And then, I found the videos of David Icke and his filmed interviews to Credo Mutwa about the Draconians, Saurian people. You can find them in YouTube, or read David I. books. Lots of info.
This site is interesting in this subject: http://www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/conspire.htm

I wish someone will tell me if this sources are reliable or not, or confirmed with others of your own.

The main thing is that Humanity is not accepting to play the rol of sitting ducks and do nothing. I say: NO WAY.

[Bill Ryan]

:bump: :bump: :bump:

And do please see the companion thread:


From Bill Ryan -- the Ultimate Hypothesis (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46887-From-Bill-Ryan-the-Ultimate-Hypothesis)

[Harmony]

Dear Bill,

I was wondering if now, after 2020 events so far, are you able to make more correlations with some of the past insider information received over these years since the original OP was formulated.

So much information has been discussed in this thread and the Ultimate Hypothesis thread, so that is a complex question, but maybe more generally, can you share your thoughts now from a new perspective?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

For some unknown reason I totally missed this thread. Very fascinating theories Bill, and I believe it's highly plausible these 'plans' were hatched and to some extent carried forward. But operative word = were.

The first error these 'cabalists' made was their belief that they would/could ever get away with it, specifically mass population reduction. I'm sure they've tried and failed many times with their devilish schemes. Scorched earth total devastation was probably the 'last card'. From nuclear wars to fake alien invasions to a swarm of asteroids. Even unleashing a real-life zombie plague - that was a real project if I recall correctly. You only have to watch the predictive programming of television and movies to glimpse these plans.

The second error was believing they were the true custodians of this planet. It is the equivalent of the lions and leopards and hyenas on those Masai Mara plains thinking they are the custodians of this planet because they lord over the zebras and impalas or what have you. Nothing could be farther from reality.

Their grasp is infinitesimally small. Their true knowledge of the spiritual and the greater reality is infinitesimally narrow.

[Bill Ryan]

Dear Bill,

I was wondering if now, after 2020 events so far, are you able to make more correlations with some of the past insider information received over these years since the original OP was formulated.

So much information has been discussed in this thread and the Ultimate Hypothesis thread, so that is a complex question, but maybe more generally, can you share your thoughts now from a new perspective?Well, I don't have any new information! But I've been thinking about this quite a lot recently, which is why I bumped the thread.

I've been considering this from an ET perspective: and it may not really matter what their attitude is toward humans, even if there are quite a number of races involved.

Planet Earth has been a fantastic, extraordinary, and maybe exceptional or even unique wildlife park for hundreds of millions of years. Complex life may be the most precious commodity in the universe, and it stands to reason that it'd be monitored and protected.

And our planet may well also be a kind of laboratory. (I've always said that the animals in Australia are like someone's science experiment. :) ) This is a separate subject, but it seems self-evident to me that Darwinian Evolutionary Theory is a spectacular fail in terms of explaining complex lifeforms. Lamarckism may well account for some of it, but increasingly I've become a proponent of [someone's!] intelligent design.

(see these very interesting threads: )


Lamarckism: a different theory of evolution (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10863-Lamarckism-a-different-theory-of-evolution)
Does Intelligent Design = Intelligent Creator? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96229-Does-Intelligent-Design-Intelligent-Creator)

(and also this one: )


Military source: some humans are being voluntarily relocated to a Pandora-like planet round Alpha Centauri (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68493-Military-source-some-humans-are-being-voluntarily-relocated-to-a-Pandora-like-planet-round-Alpha-Centauri)

So I'm thinking now that it's simply a matter of when and where the the ETs would draw the line, in order to protect the "nature reserve".

As in the excellent 2008 remake of The Day The Earth Stood Still, this may not be "our planet" — any more than (see my post #1 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76226-THE-ULTIMATE-PLAN--a-fairy-story...-maybe-&p=891335&viewfull=1#post891335)) the Masai Mara Game Reserve in Kenya "belonged" to the Maasai people. Living there for thousands of years may not entitle them to "ownership".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnsWobu7tjM
So stewards of our planet may be removed from their position if they don't do their job.

If there's any truth to this (and I suspect there is), where is the line drawn?


The ETs would probably intervene in the event of a global nuclear war.
They may intervene if there was a sudden sharp tipping point in the extinction of species. (We may be close to that already.)
They may have had the fill with humans, or may be close to that point. Many have speculated that the huge increase in UFO sightings and ET experiences since 1947 was because of our new-found nuclear capability. But it may simply be because we're destroying our natural world at a rapidly accelerating pace.

It MIGHT be that the human global controllers (whoever they are) fully know this, and are actually trying to do manage this in the best way they think they can — hence the NWO, draconian controls, Agenda 2030, and all the rest.

And, almost certainly, I'd argue that they're planning drastic population reduction as soon as they're confident production of materials and food can be maintained in a 95% downsized "workforce". They may not be doing this in any way we like, but just suppose this is an ET ultimatum of some kind. One might imagine some Klaatu emissary (as played by Keanu Reeves) saying:

Listen. You have 5 years to reduce the population by 95%, and reverse the catastrophic environmental destruction. If not, we'll do it for you. And we reserve the right to remove humans from the planet completely, though we'll ensure their survival in small controlled numbers elsewhere.

[Gwin Ru]

[...]
And, almost certainly, I'd argue that they're planning drastic population reduction as soon as they're confident production of materials and food can be maintained in a 95% downsized "workforce". They may not be doing this in any way we like, but just suppose this is an ET ultimatum of some kind. One might imagine some Klaatu emissary (as played by Keanu Reeves) saying:
Listen. You have 5 years to reduce the population by 95%, and reverse the catastrophic environmental destruction. If not, we'll do it for you. And we reserve the right to remove humans from the planet completely, though we'll ensure their survival in small controlled numbers elsewhere.
It "seems" that many, many things have been un-twisted very, very recently (start at 4:47):

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Related:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tcHYBkhUFU 15:52



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zSWdYC77Wo 44:10



The Global Financial System Explained, Kim Goguen, LifeForce, & the Assemblies (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112361-The-Global-Financial-System-Explained-Kim-Goguen-LifeForce-the-Assemblies)

PS: The attendants of these meetings, with the help of beings from "other places", were "demolecularized"... pooff!

[Elainie]

[...]
And, almost certainly, I'd argue that they're planning drastic population reduction as soon as they're confident production of materials and food can be maintained in a 95% downsized "workforce". They may not be doing this in any way we like, but just suppose this is an ET ultimatum of some kind. One might imagine some Klaatu emissary (as played by Keanu Reeves) saying:
Listen. You have 5 years to reduce the population by 95%, and reverse the catastrophic environmental destruction. If not, we'll do it for you. And we reserve the right to remove humans from the planet completely, though we'll ensure their survival in small controlled numbers elsewhere.
It "seems" that many, many things have been un-twisted very, very recently (start at 4:47):

hgT5vyup5Uk

Related:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tcHYBkhUFU 15:52



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zSWdYC77Wo 44:10



The Global Financial System Explained, Kim Goguen, LifeForce, & the Assemblies (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?112361-The-Global-Financial-System-Explained-Kim-Goguen-LifeForce-the-Assemblies)

PS: The attendants of these meetings, with the help of beings from "other places", were "demolecularized"... pooff!





It would be great if this was for real. The recent RV data from 4 viewers showed nothing like this (oh how I wish).

[Bill Ryan]

I don't have any new information! But I've been thinking about this quite a lot recently, which is why I bumped the thread.

I've been considering this from an ET perspective: and it may not really matter what their attitude is toward humans, even if there are quite a number of races involved.

Planet Earth has been a fantastic, extraordinary, and maybe exceptional or even unique wildlife park for hundreds of millions of years. Complex life may be the most precious commodity in the universe, and it stands to reason that it'd be monitored and protected.

And our planet may well also be a kind of laboratory. (I've always said that the animals in Australia are like someone's science experiment. :) ) This is a separate subject, but it seems self-evident to me that Darwinian Evolutionary Theory is a spectacular fail in terms of explaining complex lifeforms. Lamarckism may well account for some of it, but increasingly I've become a proponent of [someone's!] intelligent design.

(see these very interesting threads: )


Lamarckism: a different theory of evolution (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10863-Lamarckism-a-different-theory-of-evolution)
Does Intelligent Design = Intelligent Creator? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96229-Does-Intelligent-Design-Intelligent-Creator)

(and also this one: )


Military source: some humans are being voluntarily relocated to a Pandora-like planet round Alpha Centauri (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68493-Military-source-some-humans-are-being-voluntarily-relocated-to-a-Pandora-like-planet-round-Alpha-Centauri)

So I'm thinking now that it's simply a matter of when and where the the ETs would draw the line, in order to protect the "nature reserve".

As in the excellent 2008 remake of The Day The Earth Stood Still, this may not be "our planet" — any more than (see my post #1 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76226-THE-ULTIMATE-PLAN--a-fairy-story...-maybe-&p=891335&viewfull=1#post891335)) the Masai Mara Game Reserve in Kenya "belonged" to the Maasai people. Living there for thousands of years may not entitle them to "ownership".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnsWobu7tjM
So stewards of our planet may be removed from their position if they don't do their job.

If there's any truth to this (and I suspect there is), where is the line drawn?


The ETs would probably intervene in the event of a global nuclear war.
They may intervene if there was a sudden sharp tipping point in the extinction of species. (We may be close to that already.)
They may have had the fill with humans, or may be close to that point. Many have speculated that the huge increase in UFO sightings and ET experiences since 1947 was because of our new-found nuclear capability. But it may simply be because we're destroying our natural world at a rapidly accelerating pace.

It MIGHT be that the human global controllers (whoever they are) fully know this, and are actually trying to do manage this in the best way they think they can — hence the NWO, draconian controls, Agenda 2030, and all the rest.

And, almost certainly, I'd argue that they're planning drastic population reduction as soon as they're confident production of materials and food can be maintained in a 95% downsized "workforce". They may not be doing this in any way we like, but just suppose this is an ET ultimatum of some kind. One might imagine some Klaatu emissary (as played by Keanu Reeves) saying:

Listen. You have 5 years to reduce the population by 95%, and reverse the catastrophic environmental destruction. If not, we'll do it for you. And we reserve the right to remove humans from the planet completely, though we'll ensure their survival in small controlled numbers elsewhere.
Entirely by coincidence, this was published today.


https://theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/12/western-worldyour-civilisation-killing-life-on-earth-indigenous-amazon-planet

This is my message to the western world – your civilisation is killing life on Earth

Nemonte Nenquimo (https://theguardian.com/profile/nemonte-nenquimo)

https://cuencahighlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/nemonte.png

We Indigenous people are fighting to save the Amazon, but the whole planet is in trouble because you do not respect it

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/38e82bc3d73aee8c71e3bc7f568e3abef15cdc83/0_21_2000_1200/master/2000.jpg?width=700&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&
Dear presidents of the nine Amazonian countries and to all world leaders that share responsibility for the plundering of our rainforest,

My name is Nemonte Nenquimo. I am a Waorani woman, a mother, and a leader of my people. The Amazon rainforest is my home. I am writing you this letter because the fires are raging still (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/oct/01/brazil-amazon-rainforest-worst-fires-in-decade). Because the corporations are spilling oil in our rivers (https://www.amazonfrontlines.org/amazon-extraction/public/issue). Because the miners are stealing gold (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/brazil-amazon-coronavirus-illegal-gold-rush-b419662.html) (as they have been for 500 years), and leaving behind open pits and toxins.

Because the land grabbers are cutting down primary forest (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/oct/05/amazon-near-tipping-point-of-switching-from-rainforest-to-savannah-study) so that the cattle can graze, plantations can be grown and the white man can eat. Because our elders are dying from coronavirus (https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/history-and-civilisation/2020/08/coronavirus-gets-dangerously-close-to-isolated-arrow-people-in), while you are planning your next moves to cut up our lands to stimulate an economy that has never benefited us. Because, as Indigenous peoples, we are fighting to protect what we love – our way of life, our rivers, the animals, our forests, life on Earth – and it’s time that you listened to us.

In each of our many hundreds of different languages across the Amazon, we have a word for you – the outsider, the stranger. In my language, WaoTededo, that word is “cowori”. And it doesn’t need to be a bad word. But you have made it so. For us, the word has come to mean (and in a terrible way, your society has come to represent): the white man that knows too little for the power that he wields, and the damage that he causes.

You are probably not used to an Indigenous woman calling you ignorant and, less so, on a platform such as this. But for Indigenous peoples it is clear: the less you know about something, the less value it has to you, and the easier it is to destroy. And by easy, I mean: guiltlessly, remorselessly, foolishly, even righteously. And this is exactly what you are doing to us as Indigenous peoples (https://www.theguardian.com/world/indigenous-peoples), to our rainforest territories, and ultimately to our planet’s climate.

It took us thousands of years to get to know the Amazon rainforest (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/amazon-rainforest). To understand her ways, her secrets, to learn how to survive and thrive with her. And for my people, the Waorani, we have only known you for 70 years (we were “contacted” in the 1950s by American evangelical missionaries), but we are fast learners, and you are not as complex as the rainforest.

When you say that the oil companies have marvellous new technologies that can sip the oil from beneath our lands like hummingbirds sip nectar from a flower, we know that you are lying because we live downriver from the spills (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/aug/12/european-banks-urged-to-stop-funding-oil-trade-in-amazon). When you say that the Amazon is not burning, we do not need satellite images to prove you wrong; we are choking on the smoke of the fruit orchards (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/video/2020/aug/14/amazon-fires-brazil-sees-worst-start-to-fire-season-in-10-years-video) that our ancestors planted centuries ago. When you say that you are urgently looking for climate solutions, yet continue to build a world economy based on extraction and pollution, we know you are lying because we are the closest to the land (https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/aug/10/the-amazon-is-the-vagina-of-the-world-why-women-are-key-to-saving-brazils-forests-aoe), and the first to hear her cries.

https://i1.wp.com/scx1.b-cdn.net/csz/news/800/2020/3-smokerisesfr.jpg?w=760&ssl=1
An illegally lit fire in an Amazon rainforest reserve, in Para State, Brazil.

I never had the chance to go to university, and become a doctor, or a lawyer, a politician, or a scientist. My elders are my teachers. The forest is my teacher. And I have learned enough (and I speak shoulder to shoulder with my Indigenous brothers and sisters across the world) to know that you have lost your way, and that you are in trouble (though you don’t fully understand it yet) and that your trouble is a threat to every form of life on Earth.

You forced your civilisation upon us and now look where we are: global pandemic, climate crisis, species extinction and, driving it all, widespread spiritual poverty. In all these years of taking, taking, taking from our lands, you have not had the courage, or the curiosity, or the respect to get to know us. To understand how we see, and think, and feel, and what we know about life on this Earth.

I won’t be able to teach you in this letter, either. But what I can say is that it has to do with thousands and thousands of years of love for this forest, for this place. Love in the deepest sense, as reverence. This forest has taught us how to walk lightly, and because we have listened, learned and defended her, she has given us everything: water, clean air, nourishment, shelter, medicines, happiness, meaning. And you are taking all this away, not just from us, but from everyone on the planet, and from future generations.

It is the early morning in the Amazon, just before first light: a time that is meant for us to share our dreams, our most potent thoughts. And so I say to all of you: the Earth does not expect you to save her, she expects you to respect her. And we, as Indigenous peoples, expect the same.


Nemonte Nenquimo is cofounder of the Indigenous-led nonprofit organisation Ceibo Alliance, the first female president of the Waorani organisation of Pastaza province and one of Time’s 100 most influential people in the world

[East Sun]

To me, responsibility for the important decisions that affect life in all forms
comes from the top down. If the most powerful do not do justice to life forms
including nature they should be overruled by those in authority.

When it comes to global concerns and the "globalists" through their obvious greed
are exploiting Earth/Nature and that means all humanity, they need to be stopped.

Nemonte Nenquimo is probably aware of the globalist' role and power in the destructive
practices that are world wide and politicians going along with what's in their best interests
regardless of how it effects the populations at large.

[Gwin Ru]

[...]


https://theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/12/western-worldyour-civilisation-killing-life-on-earth-indigenous-amazon-planet

This is my message to the western world – your civilisation is killing life on Earth

Nemonte Nenquimo (https://theguardian.com/profile/nemonte-nenquimo)


https://cuencahighlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/nemonte.png


We Indigenous people are fighting to save the Amazon, but the whole planet is in trouble because you do not respect it

[...]


Nemonte Nenquimo is cofounder of the Indigenous-led nonprofit organisation Ceibo Alliance, the first female president of the Waorani organisation of Pastaza province and one of Time’s 100 most influential people in the world


Very interesting, Bill... the Shift is shifting!

The following is an interpretation of a prophecy as related to Kim Goguen who walked the walk of contacting descendants of the original signatories of the Global Martial Law 16,500 years ago - which had to be mostly done on foot to reach remote locations - in order to get a peace treaty signed and implemented, hence cancelling the 16,500 year long Martial Law. The peace treaty ceremony was held in 2016.

Kim's goal is to restore and respect all life on earth, very similar to Nemonte's and without having to sacrifice 90% of the human population and other life.

Just to mention that both women could fit that prophecy:

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TANK Breaks Down Kim Clement Prophesy about Esther (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvZyPAXv80s) 15:39

Oct 12, 2020

[Gwin Ru]

I found a short version of Kim Goguen's plan which also parallels Sacha Stone's observations (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111598-Charlie-Ward-about-the-reset-rollout--and-much-else-&p=1383020&viewfull=1#post1383020) of his current environment:

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Restoration Plan 6:17

May 8, 2020

https://yt3.ggpht.com/a/AATXAJzWGGaZLe2N4AVGS-_eSRYpS-mZmAIcQXF1ryIyBA=s48-c-k-c0xffffffff-no-rj-mo (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsTzmojEh6B205Iz8XadBLQ) SPEAK Project (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsTzmojEh6B205Iz8XadBLQ)

Kim Goguen discusses the design of her Restoration Plan which, shaped like an atom, consists of "project" rings fed by the Trust at the center. Exquisite!

[Bill Ryan]

:bump: :bump: :bump:

[Casey Claar]

And I will bump you again. I have only just read the initial post in this thread but don't find it outlandish in the slightest.

In terms of what could, or would be allowed to take place, well......that leaves a wide open discussion.

There is the real world, the Creators world, the natural world - and then there is man's world.

The Story takes on new life when these meld, rather than be told independently.

:bump: