Nanci Danison's NDE (very detailed)

[truthseekerdan]

Nanci's personal encounter with the being/entity we call God, even to the point of merging into its energy field. That degree of intimacy revealed that we are not separate individuals at all--our experience as such is an illusion and wonderful gift--but rather we are literally part of God's own self-awareness. That truth removes all doubt about the outcome of life and how it should be lived.

"My near-death experience was unlike any I have ever read about. It was far more intellectual: filled with “knowings”, understandings about the “truths” of the universe, and insights. And I delved deeper into life after death than I had thought possible in an NDE, ultimately evolving through higher levels of existence beyond anything I had ever dreamed possible.

My body’s death on March 14, 1994, was occasioned by some type of reaction to a needle-localization procedure designed to show my surgeon where to cut to remove three potentially cancerous lesions in my breast. The procedure had taken much longer than expected, and had to be repeated in order to get the wire marker deep enough into the breast tissue. It was painful, and emotionally traumatic for my body. I was alone when I died, because the radiologist and radiology technician both left me to perform other tasks, including getting their eighth set of mammography films developed.

The early stages of the NDE were fairly standard: I left my body, went into the Light, experienced overwhelming unconditional love, peace, joy, and acceptance, met Beings of Light, and had a life review. What was dramatically different about my NDE was what I learned during these stages, as well as what happened to me during and after the life review.

When I first entered the Light I saw nothing but Light, heard nothing, and smelled nothing. I was alone with my own thoughts. Those thoughts, however, were dramatic revelations. Chief among them was the realization that I am not a human being; that what I had been calling my soul is in fact who I really am. And who I really am is not human, but rather a separately existing spiritual being who only inhabited a human animal’s body. Moreover, the human animal I had inhabited has her own life, thoughts, emotions, and personality, and is perfectly capable of living out the rest of her lifetime without me inside.

Many more “knowings” invaded my mind while I was in the Light, filling me instantly not only with knowledge in the academic sense, but also with the deep understanding that only personal experience can give. I “experienced” these truths as deeply as though I had lived them. One of the topics deposited into my mind was about how time does not exist in the universe at large, but only for beings that mark time, like humans do, by measuring intervals of experience.

At one point I observed my body, still sitting in the chair in the radiology department mammography suite, at a distance below and behind me. I saw it out of the back of where a head would be on a human body (like having eyes in the back of my head). Seeing it, and feeling no attachment whatsoever to it, made me question for the first time whether I had died. To myself I said: “Nah, I can’t be dead. I didn’t go through a tunnel into the Light, and I’m definitely in the Light.” Immediately I was surrounded by an earthen works tunnel in vivid, vibrant color and detail, with the proverbial light at the end. Though the tunnel was just as real as anything I have experienced on Earth, I knew for a fact that I was not in a tunnel. So I wasn’t fooled by its appearance. Upon realizing that I wasn’t “fooled,” a flood of “knowings” about manifesting reality inundated my mind. I realized that we all constantly manifest what we call physical reality just by virtue of our thoughts, and that the only reason we are fooled into believing it is real is because of the limitations of human senses. You can imagine how flabbergasted I was by this information, and why I was not inclined to believe it. So I experimented with consciously manifesting some more to test its truth. I proved to myself that we do indeed have the ability to manifest what humans perceive to be physical reality by focusing our attention and intention on doing so.

After I realized I was dead, I looked outward again for the Light, for at this point I was back to the belief that we must go into the Light to enter the afterlife. I had forgotten that I was already in the Light because the strength of my belief system overpowered my sense of where I was. I then saw five Lights of different hues in the distance. I thought to myself: “Oh this figures, I’m supposed to go into the Light and I get five of them and have to choose the right one.” A voice not my own entered my mind with the words: “Just pick one and follow it.” I instantly understood that they all led to the same destination—the Source of our universe. As I looked again at the Lights, five Beings of Light appeared to have come forward from within them. I recognized these Light Beings as my most cherished and beloved friends and soul mates, and knew for certain that I too am a Being of Light, and that I was HOME. These friends communicated with me by mental telepathy, and primarily in emotions. Their emotions could be interpreted into English as: “Welcome home.” “We ran ahead of the ‘rest of us’ because we couldn’t wait to see you.” “Tell us everything [about human life].” And, of course, they communicated intense unconditional love, joy at seeing me, and acceptance of and curiosity about my adventure into human life. My sense was that they were extremely anxious to observe my life as Nanci. In response, I replayed every single second of Nanci’s life events and sensory input all at once for them, not for myself. These Light Beings actually entered into my life events, as me or others around me, and lived those events as though they were actually me doing it. I thought it odd at the time, but later learned how normal this is at higher evolutionary stages.

While my friends enjoyed my life review, memories of my eternal life filled my mind. They included hundreds of physical lifetimes, in humans and other species, as well as thousands of what we would call years spent living in what I was calling “Light Being society,” and what might also be called “life between lives.” I was astounded that I could possibly have forgotten all of it. “Knowing” informed me that when a Light Being like me enters into a human as its soul, only part of its total Energy does so. The rest of the Being’s Energy stays in the Light and continues to evolve as it observes the soul part’s experiences. The reintegration of my memories as an eternal being with those of my just passed human life completed my transformation back into my natural state as a Being of Light.

Soon, I realized that I had access to all of the knowledge of the universe (what I call Universal Knowledge) just by focusing my attention and intention on what I wanted to know. My thought processing was accelerated so greatly that I was able to absorb phenomenal amounts of information instantly. I wanted to know the answers to all my most pressing spiritual questions. So I searched Universal Knowledge for the answers to: what is Source/God? What am I? How was the universe created? Why? What is the purpose of life? Of life as a human? What does source expect of me while in human form? Where is heaven? Hell? What is the correct religion? The answers fill my first book, Backwards: Returning to Our Source for Answers. Upon receiving “knowing” on all these topics I was very upset that no one had told me before how simple life and death are. I wanted to know why religion had failed me in this regard. In response, a “documentary” of the development of religion among humans over the course of three Earth epochs, the third of which constitutes mankind’s future, played out in my mind. My manuscript entitled Backwards Beliefs sets forth what I remember of this documentary.

After receiving my fill from Universal Knowledge, I realized that I could enter into my Light Being friends and live their eternal lives as they had just done my life as Nanci. So I merged my Energy into theirs as we formed a collective being of six. I could at one and the same time experience myself as the personality I had always known as “myself,” as well as experiencing one of my friend’s lives as though I were my friend. Or I could experience what it was like to be a collective being. I understood at the time that living in this manner was an evolutionary stage beyond that of Light Beings, whose lives we would perceive to be as discrete, individual beings with spiritual bodies. At this stage of awareness there was no “beingness”—only a mental or conscious existence.

Ultimately, my soul mates and I decided as a collective being to rejoin “the rest of us.” I understood this English term to mean the Source of creation, the entity humans call “God.” For the first time during the NDE I experienced movement similar to how we feel it as humans. Up until this point everything seemed to transpire within my own mind. But now our merged entity of six seemed to move forward deeper and deeper into the Light to rejoin Source’s core. As we neared it I understood more and more about the universe and our place within it, as well as my own nature as part of Source. It became excruciatingly clear to me that the whole of our universe transpires exclusively within the mind of Source. There is only one being in our universe—Source. All things that we perceive as physical reality are really thoughts manifested by Source within its own Energy field. And, most importantly, none of it ever leaves the Source. So, I intimately experienced the “knowing” that I am literally part of Source’s thoughts, and the illusion that I am separate from it is a gift from Source to itself in order that Source might fully explore its own personality and creativity.

Sometime during this process I decided that I “could do it better.” I could live Nanci’s life better and give back to the experience more than I had before I died. And, I passionately wanted to share with my fellow Light Beings in soul form the truth of who we really are, and the simplicity of life as part of Source. These emotions apparently impelled my return to the body in a traumatic process of leaving the Light. But as I whirl winded back into human flesh I did my best to remember as much as I could so that I might share it with others in my books."

Read more: http://www.nderf.org/nanci_d_nde.htm

Nanci Danison YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/NanciDanison#p/u/9/DFDI-jgFVqs

[truthseekerdan]

What God Expects of Me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PX2x0FxDTs#!)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PX2x0FxDTs#!

[truthseekerdan]

Afterlife experiencer Nanci Danison describes creation of the universe and the meaning of life. This clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UlrWwli9Q0) was taken from the DVD "Meaning of Life."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UlrWwli9Q0

[Oouthere]

This is good! I have experienced samadhi twice myself, once you have merged with God it is impossible to step back into religion.

Rich

[truthseekerdan]

Hi Rich, thank you for sharing :thumb:
Me too had an OBE when I was a teen, and could not explain it at that time due to religious indoctrination (thought I lost my mind)...:crazy: :)

[Oouthere]

Hiya Truth,

I can relate! I had my first obe at the age of 4, seemed normal. But the next one did not happen until I was 12 years old....that one scared me....lol

Rich

[truthseekerdan]

Hiya Truth,

I can relate! I had my first obe at the age of 4, seemed normal. But the next one did not happen until I was 12 years old....that one scared me....lol

Rich

Wow, can you say synchronicity -- I was 12 when I had mine also; got scared and did not tell anyone due to fear of being ridiculed. :sad:

Blessings, :love: ~ Dan

[Nenuphar]

Thanks for this thread, I find accounts of NDEs fascinating.

If you two would care to share your near death experiences, I would enjoy reading about them. :-)

[truthseekerdan]

Thanks for this thread, I find accounts of NDEs fascinating.

If you two would care to share your near death experiences, I would enjoy reading about them. :-)

I had an OBE not NDE. :sorry:
To shortly summarize it: I was floating over my body looking down at it then -- I kind of went vertical, starting with my head, probably what it would look like if you saw someone fall down in reverse. This sounds kind of ridiculous, but I actually had fun with flying for a 'few minutes' in whatever space I was in (astral plane) over fields and hills just by thinking.

There were unending big valleys, vegetation everywhere, a very beautiful color for a green… blue sky with some white clouds. I felt great inner peace. Then I watched the hand that waved to me while saying, “Look at the river”. I looked back and then saw a stream that flowed so far away… it was so beautiful… it meandered, it was not straight and represented life with its ups and downs… I then understood that life is a wonderful journey and that you should always keep hoping and enjoying it. There was more however, I was only 12 at the time and that's quite a long time ago...

[Nenuphar]

That sounds very beautiful. :-) What was happening at the time of your OBE? Where you just waking up/falling to sleep, or ill, or...? I came very close to having an OBE in my teens...I was in bed, sick, lying on my side, in terrible pain...I was tapping/pounding the mattress in a kind of "This is agony, make it go away" attempt...then I realized my arm was hanging straight down..."through" the mattress...and then it was like I was in static (you know the black and white static when the TV isn't tuned to the right station? And the SHHHSSHHHSSHHHing sound? It was like I was inside that). When I realized what was happening, I became excited and tried to help the process along. My excitement only made me snap back into my body, and back into my pain. Very disappointing. Close, but no cigar! *L*

[conk]

I experienced the 'life review' or 'life flashing before my eyes' event. I was 12 or 13, swimming in a rural pond. Well, floating in an inner tube actually, as I could not swim then. I flipped over and sank to the bottom of the pond. I inhaled my lungs full of water, all the while thinking it wasn't so bad dying. My movie reel flashed through my mind just as one of the older guys pulled me up and out of the pond. Not much of an NDE story, but can sure verify the 'life review' part others report.

My father drowned when I was 3 years old. I often thought that the unseen helpers saved my mother the horror of having her husband and son die.

[truthseekerdan]

Nanci Danison lead a fast paced life, filled with pressure as a "top firm" attorney in a prosperous Columbus, Ohio law firm. That all changed following a near death experience in 1994.

In this 2008 hour long interview, Nanci tells a compelling story about not just her experience, but more importantly about her on-going dowloads of "Universal Knowlege"


http://vimeo.com/7464750

Direct link: http://vimeo.com/7464750

[theguardian]

I was in static (you know the black and white static when the TV isn't tuned to the right station? And the SHHHSSHHHSSHHHing sound? It was like I was inside that).

Nenuphar, I Had the exact Experience, but me i was laying on bed very relax and Meditating on (YHSVH Holy Harmony - Jonathan Goldman), Because i was in a static state i was very afraid but i was also curious whats next.

Peace , Everyone.
,

[Teakai]

I've had 2 OBE's when I was a pre-teen and enjoyed them both immensely. I didn't go far, the first time I just breast stroked around the bedroom and the next time I took a tour down the main street, over the roof tops.

It was such a wonderful feeling - I hope I get to experience it again soon.

Thanks for sharing the information about Nanci Danison - I love reading and listening to this kind of thing.

[Nenuphar]

Nenuphar, I Had the exact Experience, but me i was laying on bed very relax and Meditating on (YHSVH Holy Harmony - Jonathan Goldman), Because i was in a static state i was very afraid but i was also curious whats next.
,

Wow, I am so glad you posted that! I had a wild experience with that CD (Holy Harmony) as well! The first time I listened to it, I was laying down in bed. I quickly became deeply relaxed, and actually felt my chakras vibrating in resonance with the chanting on the CD. That in and of itself was unusual, albeit interesting, to me. Then I started to feel vibrations in my entire body that got "finer" and "higher" (hard to explain). It felt like "I" was going to shoot right out of my head at any moment! It frightened me because I felt like I was losing control, so I got up and walked around. I kind of regret not just letting the experience take me wherever it was going to take me, as I haven't experienced anything similar since while listening to it.

[truthseekerdan]

There is a spiritual awakening going on right now in mass proportions and is growing exponentially. By the end of this video, you'll have no doubts about our true, divine reason for being here. You'll feel uplifted and re-energized! Please share this with others!

A292PF-bseA

[truthseekerdan]

Self healing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqYeNUhg0pM)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqYeNUhg0pM

[truthseekerdan]

Neale Donald Walsch, author of the Conversations with God books, tells the story of his near death like experience.

Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmLeg3yTWVY)
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Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLWkilA-nME)
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[1love]

I've had an of body experiences where I floated above my body and saw myself laying on my couch. I've also had what i like to call inner body experience with my eyes closed where it seems as though I got a more intimate look at the creative and intelligent framework of things behind the veil so to speak. In this inner body experience, I traveled through a tunnel which seemed to go through my mind. All around the tunnel it was faces that continiously morphed into different shapes and patterns of different colors. It was so beautiful that I did not want to open my eyes and for some reason I knew I could keep going if I wanted to because it wasn't scary at all and I had no fear. But, after about a half hour I opened them and wish I could see the same thing again!

[truthseekerdan]

I've had an of body experiences where I floated above my body and saw myself laying on my couch. I've also had what i like to call inner body experience with my eyes closed where it seems as though I got a more intimate look at the creative and intelligent framework of things behind the veil so to speak. In this inner body experience, I traveled through a tunnel which seemed to go through my mind. All around the tunnel it was faces that continiously morphed into different shapes and patterns of different colors. It was so beautiful that I did not want to open my eyes and for some reason I knew I could keep going if I wanted to because it wasn't scary at all and I had no fear. But, after about a half hour I opened them and wish I could see the same thing again!

Thank you for sharing your experience, 1love :thumb:

Blessings, :love: ~ Dan

[Mark]

Went google searching for this info, thought it good enuf to rise again to the surface for those who might synchronistically be in place to check it out. I'd never heard of Nancy's experiences, very, very interesting. Thanks Bob!

[Jenci]

Went google searching for this info, thought it good enuf to rise again to the surface for those who might synchronistically be in place to check it out. I'd never heard of Nancy's experiences, very, very interesting. Thanks Bob!


She's very interesting indeed, Rahkyt.

I've not had a NDE but much of what she talks about seems to fit with what I have discovered spiritually.
Jeanette

[another bob]

Went google searching for this info, thought it good enuf to rise again to the surface for those who might synchronistically be in place to check it out. I'd never heard of Nancy's experiences, very, very interesting. Thanks Bob!


She's very interesting indeed, Rahkyt.

I've not had a NDE but much of what she talks about seems to fit with what I have discovered spiritually.
Jeanette

Hiya R & J!

I'd urge anyone who has any interest in what they've seen on her YouTubes to check out her books, which are a lot more detailed and well worth exploring:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_4_5?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=nanci+danison&sprefix=Nanci%2Caps%2C262

Also, I just posted in another thread
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46615-Awareness-instead-of-belief
about a fellow who has done the same stuff as Nanci and even more. When I introduced him to her materials, he verified that she was spot on, and an exceptionally accurate reporter. He also mentioned that Source will only give us as much as we're ready to absorb, and hence the differences in various nde reports. This was also confirmed by Thomas Mellen-Benedict in his well-known nde.

:yo:

[apokalypse]

after watching Nanci Danison clips and now i come to conclusion there's no such thing as hell, there's reincarnation for our soul to have these experience or pay for our karma...i'm born i religious catholic family, i have told them about reincarnation and i got told. for the last few month i have amazing though coming in and see the nature of our reality able to come conclusion such as incarnation vs hell

[waves]

Notice anything missing...again? These collections of feel-good testamonies basically saying you can't do anything wrong really, it's all experience and you are your own judge and loved no matter what never include addressing how those who have 'created' the experiences of murdering and/or torturing humans and especially children and animals fit into the premise. To the contrary, people repeatedly state how you realize how seriously you viewed things when they didn't matter at all like you thought, with the only retribution for realizing having cause anyone any pain a sort of "oops, sorry".

Is this the premise of 'cremation of care'? You can't 'do' anything to anyone because your victim is choosing the experience of being your victim even as a baby??

If so, I really dislike being part of this source's creation and if I can ever defect and switch 'sources' or become my own, I will as soon as I get a chance. I don't like the pain and suffering this source decided he wanted to create and experience.

I think this source/god has a lot of explaining to do.

[another bob]

Notice anything missing...again? These collections of feel-good testamonies basically saying you can't do anything wrong really, it's all experience and you are your own judge and loved no matter what never include addressing how those who have 'created' the experiences of murdering and/or torturing humans and especially children and animals fit into the premise. To the contrary, people repeatedly state how you realize how seriously you viewed things when they didn't matter at all like you thought, with the only retribution for realizing having cause anyone any pain a sort of "oops, sorry".

Is this the premise of 'cremation of care'? You can't 'do' anything to anyone because your victim is choosing the experience of being your victim even as a baby??

If so, I really dislike being part of this source's creation and if I can ever defect and switch 'sources' or become my own, I will as soon as I get a chance. I don't like the pain and suffering this source decided he wanted to create and experience.

I think this source/god has a lot of explaining to do.


It's easy to jump to conclusions, but yours are based on insufficient data. I'd hold off on any judgment until you actually hear the whole story. Her books are a good place to start, if interested.

For example, this, from a newsletter of hers:

The number one question I get from my readers is why God allows evil acts to go on in the world. In the next few months' newsletters I will give you what I remember learning in the afterlife about evil on earth.
Part 1 - Who Is Responsible for Evil?
Our religions reflect the belief that God controls every action taken on earth when they talk about God "allowing" bad things to happen to good people for various reasons. Alternatively, religions ascribe horrible events to Satan or other demons. Both beliefs have the common core of deflecting blame away from the humans whose actions caused the harm. Why? While I was in the afterlife, I learned that human animals (like other animals) have the built-in character trait of refusing to take responsibility for the consequences of their own actions. So that character trait is reflected in human-created belief systems. God/Source or the Devil is blamed for what humans do as though humans were puppets on strings.
The truth is: HUMANS are responsible for the evil acts in the world. Not God or Source. Not Satan or demons. Humans are violent animals. They use violence to protect themselves from real and imagined potential threats to their ability to get what they want, to amass wealth in its many forms, and to exercise dominance over others. Aside from natural disasters, humans are responsible for the horror we see in daily life. Humans wage war, engage in gang violence, rob homes and businesses, sell and use mind-altering drugs, abuse children, rape, and murder. And humans alone are responsible for these actions.
Source "allows" humans to act this way only in the sense that it created human nature. But Source did not leave us without a means to stop evil. All of the evil acts in the world would stop today if we would collectively use the one tool that is available to each and every one of us--our spiritual ability to control our own human host's actions. We see this power in action every time someone exercises "self control."
Each of us can choose moment-to-moment whether to allow our host body to act out in typical selfish human fashion, or, to do what is best for all of us collectively. Each of us can decide whether to act out human knee-jerk reactions to people and events, or, to train our bodies to withhold reaction until we have time to think through a better course of action. Each of us can allow human emotions and instincts to run our life or strive to live a more spiritual way. As Light Beings inhabiting humans as their souls, we have the innate power to control our bodies' actions.
The next time you are tempted to blame God or the Devil for the evil in the world, ask yourself whether you consistently exercise "self control" over your body's actions, and whether your actions have caused intended or unintended harm to yourself or another.


"So, why are we inside of these flesh beings if they are evil and we are good? What you are alluding to is Source (we being the extension) is in control only through us? Why was the vehicle of humanity created in such a way? Was it for our benefit?"

The short answer is: Source/God did not "create" humans per se. They evolved from less complex animals and, so, retain the predator vs. prey instinct. That's what makes them "evil." I was quite surprised reliving Creation in the afterlife to discover that Source did not, in fact, create specifically identifiable places, creatures, or things. I saw Source expend the Energy that makes up the universe, and create the principles that govern how Source Energy behaves (what we call scientific principles and laws of nature), but it did not create any end products. Source did not directly create human animals.
Humans evolved over time just like all other creatures and things in the universe. I did see, however, that a group of Light Beings collectively tweaked human DNA to produce less primitive versions of the species in order to make humans capable of holding higher Light Being intelligence levels. My impression at the time I observed this was that the DNA improvement was "for our benefit," meaning for the benefit of Light Beings who are interested in inhabiting humans. The Light Beings who upgraded humans viewed it as something akin to a writer editing characters in a book to make the book more interesting.
We Light Being parts of Source inhabit humans because human character traits fascinate us. We also from time-to-time inhabit millions and millions of other creations throughout the universe for the same reason. Physical creations are so extremely different from our natural state as parts of Source that we find them instinctively compelling. For example, being peaceful ourselves, we Light Beings find human violence and abusiveness mind-boggling. We are drawn to it like moths to a flame--even knowing the pain involved. We want to know human evil. Understand it. Experience it. And then include what we learn about humans in the vast experiential knowledge base I call Universal Knowledge. Why are we inside humans? Simply because each of us chose to experience something diametrically opposed to our own nature. We are driven by the same Source-given curiosity that compels us to rubberneck traffic accidents, watch horror movies, and read murder mysteries.
I'm not sure what my reader means by Source being in control only through us. Perhaps she is referring to my comment that Light Being souls can control their human hosts. In addition, we, as extensions of Source, have the ability to manifest physical reality, including the physical reality of the bodies we inhabit. So we Light Being souls do have a lot of control over humankind. But Source maintains the entire manifestation of the physical universe in its mind and can change any part at will. So, I would say, no, Source is not in control only through those of us Source-extensions inhabiting humans.



:yo:

[waves]

....But Source maintains the entire manifestation of the physical universe in its mind and can change any part at will. So, I would say, no, Source is not in control only through those of us Source-extensions inhabiting humans.


This was my point... I suspect source CAN change any part... and is choosing not to. I personally have no more curiousity about how many more morbid possibilities there are.

I am well aware of the totality of the explanation for who is responsible for evil that you quoted - which is a common next place to go for those rejecting the flawed organized religion premise. But I don't see why this replacement explanation is not hypocritical - it leaves you having to switch as convenient between... 'source and creations are all one and inseparable' and 'source bears no responsibility for the actions of the free will creations he has unleashed'.

To me there were quite a few instances of hypocrisy in the quote switching between the 'source given' and 'source did not create' concepts. There was also some pretty glossed over acknowledgement of ET 'upgrading' (LOL, sorry) of humans 'for our benefit'. Really? You are choosing to be 'sure' about that?? My years of research has provided endless testimony of examples to the contrary to pick from.

Bottom line, I suspect that sometime in our future awareness, this comforting rationalization of source, the big picture and the nature of a soul is going to be replaced by something currently unfathonable to our ability to understand now. In the meantime, I'm just trying to be as ungullible as possible and leave the conclusions open.

[Ascension]

Interesting material and much in line with my personal belief system. However, may I ask a couple questions of those who are more familiar with Nanci's material?

1) She states unequivocally that we have free will, but then seems to contradict herself in the self-healing video by saying that we are limited or constrained by the constricts of the life we have chosen to live in this incarnation. So, if we are meant to experience this incarnation as a murderer, or whatever, do we still have the free will to change that experience?

2) She states that humans are beings in and of themselves, without a soul...self-aware animals who do not need a soul and that as light beings - a second component of the human experience, we are not the life force of the human animal. Does this mean that there are humans without souls who are not being inhabited by the source?

[another bob]

Interesting material and much in line with my personal belief system. However, may I ask a couple questions of those who are more familiar with Nanci's material?

1) She states unequivocally that we have free will, but then seems to contradict herself in the self-healing video by saying that we are limited or constrained by the constricts of the life we have chosen to live in this incarnation. So, if we are meant to experience this incarnation as a murderer, or whatever, do we still have the free will to change that experience?

2) She states that humans are beings in and of themselves, without a soul...self-aware animals who do not need a soul and that as light beings - a second component of the human experience, we are not the life force of the human animal. Does this mean that there are humans without souls who are not being inhabited by the source?


1. We enter into contracts prior to birth, but do have the ability to change those contracts. "Each of us can allow human emotions and instincts to run our life or strive to live a more spiritual way."



2. Yes

[Ascension]

Thanks Another Bob. So, wow, there are humans wandering around with no soul. If there are soul-less humans on earth, can they be inhabited at any time by the source? How do we differentiate between souled humans and non-souled humans. Do both have the same propensity for evil, uncaring acts? What happens to a soul-less human after death? What then is the animating force of a human if it is not the soul.

Just throwing questions out for thought. No need to respond.

[another bob]

Thanks Another Bob. So, wow, there are humans wandering around with no soul. If there are soul-less humans on earth, can they be inhabited at any time by the source?

Source doesn't actually inhabit anything. All appears within Source not unlike the thoughts that appear in our minds, or the dreams. This of course is a rather simplistic approximation, and the only way for us to really get a more accurate sense would be to merge with Source ourselves.



How do we differentiate between souled humans and non-souled humans.

We typically cannot, while here in this realm, due to the density of our slowed-down vibration. Those who have opened their Wisdom Eye may be able to, but they are few indeed.



Do both have the same propensity for evil, uncaring acts?


yes




What happens to a soul-less human after death?

One way to consider it -- the human is a vehicle. When the light being driver abandons the vehicle after it has run its course, the vehicle dissolves back into its constituent parts. If it was not occupied, it still dissolves after death.



What then is the animating force of a human if it is not the soul.

The same as it is for any animal, essentially based on survival instinct.

[Ascension]

Hmm, I have a problem with this soul-less idea. Energy cannot be destroyed, it can only change form. All living material has energy - plants, animals. This energy continues when a living entity dies. The energy is the spark of life and must go somewhere. So, there is no way that a living form could dissolve into nothingness.

[another bob]

Hmm, I have a problem with this soul-less idea. Energy cannot be destroyed, it can only change form. All living material has energy - plants, animals. This energy continues when a living entity dies. The energy is the spark of life and must go somewhere. So, there is no way that a living form could dissolve into nothingness.

Hiya Ascension!

Firstly, according to Nanci, soul-less humans are pretty uncommon, so not really worth fixating on. Secondly, dissolving in constituent parts does nt mean into nothingness, just like vegetable matter in the compost bin does not turn into nothing. I hope that clarifies things.

[Ascension]

This is starting to sound like traditional religious dogma. You either merge with the source or are dissolved into constituent parts. Wouldn't turning into a lump of coal or whatever be considered a form of hell? Eternal life is not everyone, just some people.

[another bob]

This is starting to sound like traditional religious dogma. You either merge with the source or are dissolved into constituent parts. Wouldn't turning into a lump of coal or whatever be considered a form of hell? Eternal life is not everyone, just some people.

It's easy to get entangled in metaphysical concepts and speculations, which is why just focusing on eliminating greed, envy, and hatred, and living life with as much integrity as possible, is an eminently practical nuts 'n bolts method of raising one's level of awareness. As the level of awareness increases, many things that were previously confusing can become clarified.

[Unified Serenity]

I can understand Sabastasoul's dilemma and anger. I have played this mental game of "why" in regard to pain and suffering over the years, and my conclusion helps me, and I hope it might offer something to someone here. I do not see God/dess as some other worldly unconnected being watching us move about like some pieces on a game board. No, I see the term "supernatural" and read it as more natural than myself. This led to the mental thoughts of if God/dess is more natural than me, what would I do if I am all there is? Might I want companionship and interaction of some kind?

My answer was yes, and so, I would create other beings. In creating these beings my world would be perfect and so would theirs. Filled with love and kindness everywhere, and yet I thought of being a mother and looked back at my mother and father. I thought of my children and envisioned the perfect world with us in it. I have perfect knowing and made them, and thought of if I provided everything for my child so they never learned to walk, had no need to create thus they did not, and thought of those I have known with families like that. Their children tended to be self centered, no direction, and well little compassion and very judgmental. Of course they were, they never suffered anything, never needed mercy, never needed anything and so never saw the need to do anything but take advantage of daddy's money so to speak.

So, I sat with God/dess and felt her in my heart. She loved each soul deeply and yet hurt because they could not mature. How can one know true love if one has not experienced what is opposite of love but fear which leads to hate. How can one know joy without sorrow? How can one appreciate anything without knowing it's opposite? What was I to do? Do I carry my child forever or let them down on the ground to run, fall, skin their knees etc..? Do I allow them to learn and hope they ultimately choose to come back home and live in a more equal relationship with me in unity and love?

Is it evil for a parent to tell their child it is time to fly and help them by removing the comfortable nest? I won't go into what I think actually happened to get the ball rolling to teach these (you and me, the people of the world) precious souls to truly know love. Suffice it to say, we were changed, the age that was was ended, and this age began with new parameters. We were given instructions and offered guidance in so many forms of wise ones and spiritual leaders. But, in the end we choose the path we walk. Sometimes like the prodigal we walk away from our natural home and sully ourselves in the cesspool of the ugliest parts of the world, but without that experience we never come home to truly embrace what we do desire and learn mercy, patience, humility and most importantly forgiveness. There is nothing more sweet than to truly know ones self and one's weaknesses and to seek forgiveness. In writing this, I know that sometimes I am very harsh on this forum to those who are apt to irritate me, and that irritation is good too for there is a lesson in it.

It is never my intent to harm, but speak the truth, and even that is meaningless if you do not know my heart, and sadly many here do not know my heart. For that, I apologize. I love each member of Avalon in a way you probably would never realize. I care deeply for each soul I meet, and for the times my words have hurt or offended and you have not seen the love behind what I wish to impart, I apologize. We may not always agree, but we are all on the same path. That path is called truth and love. No matter what is going on in anyone's life, there is a place connecting us to God/dess who deeply loves us and yearns for us to know what love really is.

I bid you peace today,

Serenity

[another bob]

I was talking to my Friend, whose writings I have been sharing here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?46615-Awareness-instead-of-belief

He just passed this on to me, to clarify the issue about souls:


Let me explain it this way. Back to Me, Myself, and I. Me - Physical; Myself - Astral; I - Higher self.

"NOTHING" exists without soul, for soul is Source, Source is the driving factor of absolutely everything that is. People, animals, plants, trees, dirt, rocks, all, have a soul. When you sit on a rock in the forest, that rock knows you are sitting on it, because that rock is Source.

Through genetic engineering (by many differrent races) we were given "consciousness", by the ET's that had a hand in our developement, and thus we were raised above the animal forms that we were, and became "AWARE" of all that we did. And thus began the race to out-do the Joneses. :-)
Source liked the resulting product that was created, for it truly had the capability to become an Immortal Be-ing, and so "ASKED" for "Volunteers", of the Highest Spiritual Realm", to come down here and inhabit these bodies, with the intention, of becoming Immortal Physical Spirits".

We just happened to get side tracked, by forgetting who we were, when we got here. The powers that are in control of this planet already had that one figured out before we got here, and the first thing we were taught was that everything grows old and dies. hmm.

WE, Immortal Spiritual Be-ings, are the Astral form in these bodies. The Higher Self, resides in the Astral form. We cannot escape it. HS, is our conection to Source. We, are not just one Be-ing, but three. All residing in the same body. WE, are the Trinity, that religion has been triying to explain for thousands of years.

And yes, we did, and do, come here to experience pain, suffering, killing, maiming, abusing, and all of it, in order attain the "Balance" of knowing about, good and evil, for as Spirit, we did not know it, and thus wanted to experience it, nothing more, and yet that is everything.

And something else to consider is the fact that, even though this seems to be a very long period of suffering for us, in the normal aspect of our true timeline, this is just a week-end excurssion.

Fun game ain't it? This is the ultimate virtual reality game that Source plays with Himself. We are the FIVE senses of Source. Would YOU care to refuse HIM "anything"?


:yo:

[apokalypse]

we have been hearing about clones or robot greys how they just like us have senses and thought but one thing they don't have is soul, doesn't matter how you or anyone created it but without soul from the source is nothing..vehicle/car without a driver.

certain beings manipulated our DNA thousand years ago or some et's claims they created us but what they only do is only create or manipulate our physicality but not our soul. there's 2 thing they only able to do, they create/manipulate source creation(God creation) physicality or they fully create physicality and put the soul into that physicality.

[Maunagarjana]

Very interesting NDE account. I do have to question if she has all the details right because no one could expect one human mind to understand or remember all the pertinent information based on one or a handful of experiences. I really love reading NDE reports though. They have been very healing for me along my path as I am one who grew up with fundamentalist dogma that instilled major fear about death and judgement, which thankfully I have seen through. For anyone who is interested in NDE related stuff, I recommend this site I came across recently: http://www.skeptiko.com/ (don't let the name fool you, it's really good.)

[felixq78]

I'd been doing a lot of research in the NDE area and then I discovered Nanci, she cleared up many questions I had. I'd had an out of body experience 30 years ago where I shot off into deep space our silver blue planet got smaller and smaller as I moved away and it finally disappeared. I then heard a loving, accepting voice telling me not to worry that everything was going to be OK. From then on I knew who I was and where I was going.

[GarethBKK]

NDE accounts are fascinating. Such experiences also happen to people who stand on the edge of suicide. In addition to Nanci's amazing account, also look at Anita Moorjani's book. Anita 'died' in a Hong Kong hospital from advanced cancer causing multiple organ failure. She was given the chance to rejoin her body to experience life more. She chose to return. I thoroughly recommend the book. Reading it led to an awakening of my own. It helped give me the faith to strip away my identity and accept that I do not know who/what I am. And then the veil was lifted.

http://www.amazon.com/Dying-To-Be-Me-Journey/dp/1401937519/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_1

[greybeard]

Proof Of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon's Journey Into The Afterlife with Dr. Eben Alexander III
http://www.AfterlifeTV.com

Very good interview
Chris
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He was shocked to find the hyper-reality of that spiritual realm, which many had reported in NDEs. He has spent the last four years reconciling his rich spiritual experience with contemporary physics and cosmology. His spiritual experience is totally consistent with the leading edges of scientific understanding today. Together, science and spirituality will thrive in a symbiosis offering the most profound insight into fundamental Truth, yielding unimaginable power. The keystone is in global progression of individual conscious awakening.

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[Poly Hedra]

Its nice to hear that its ok to be human, stated by Nanci, phew. the first video was brilliant, just watched it all. Thanks for the thread.

[Floweringsoul]

I just finished Nanci Danison's book 'Backwards: Returning to Our Source for Answers'! Also read Eben Alexander's book and Anita Moorjani's! These three books are up there on my top 10 list! I've read pretty much every book ever written on NDE's. Moody's 'Life After Life' began my spiritual journey in 1987. At the time I was agnostic, very ill, and depressed. I was cured of all three by the knowledge that I Am God! It's been a wild ride every since! Have you all see the IONS site? http://noetic.org/topics/

[greybeard]

There are quite a few Near Death Experiences on this thread

Chris

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.&p=632473&viewfull=1#post632473

[seeker/reader]

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[felixq78]

Although I had my own knowledge of a spiritual reality outside of the physical, mainly through OBEs as a child and other experiences when under the influence of LSD, Nanci Danison's story helped to bring it all together. I lost my 33 yr old son last year and Nanci's videos helped me get through the pain of it all. God bless her and you for posting her videos/

[felixq78]

I discovered Nanci's videos about a year ago, I'd had some similar experiences in my 20s and used to astral travel as a child (I would sleep walk and found it terrifying when my parents would wake me up from flying over vast oceans) So I already had a slightly disjointed understanding of it all. Finding Nanci put all the pieces of the jigsaw in their place it was great and very timely as I lost my 33 year old son last year. He died as a result of a house fire. Nanci's videos helped me so much she helped me realise that Ben isn't gone for good just stepped into another room. God bless her.

[greybeard]

Nanci Danison's recent news letter here

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.&p=724599&viewfull=1#post724599