Luke Rudkowski To The Woodshed

[Akasha]

Evidence of embezzlement of We Are Change funds intended for 9/11 first responders by Luke Rudkowski:

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Caution - Strong language

[jerry]

This proves what? except that someone doesn't like LR

[seehas]

Im honest i couldnt listen to this video in total they just smash talk about someone that aint got the oportunity to speak for himself.

I smell alot of EGO in that video

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Hmmmm, Luke does need to answer to this so we can get his side. Perhaps someone could send it to him or ask him?

[Observer1964]

another anti-famous_name_in_Alternative_circuit-video brought to you by the forces of division through the jelousy of failed wannabees.

You gotta love it.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Still, I would like to see a rebuttle from Luke regarding the documents in the video.

[Akasha]

another anti-famous_name_in_Alternative_circuit-video brought to you by the forces of division through the jelousy of failed wannabees.

You gotta love it.

Hi Observer.

I'd encourage you to watch Ryan Dawson's 9/11 documentary, War by Deception. It is the antithesis of the seminal "kosher" 9/11 documentary, Loose Change - i.e: low on production value, high on facts. If you still think he's a failed wannabe after that, fair enough, but I'd venture to say it's the most comprehensive and fearless 9/11 documentary on the net (that I know of at least) thus making him anything but.

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I also think that spending donation money intended for 9/11 first responders on pot, cocaine and college fees to the tune of $10 000 deserves to be called out, don't you?
Actions of that nature are what bring about division, not calling such action out.


NB: Just to be clear and to hopefully avoid any accusations of anti-semitism, Ryan's term "kosher 9/11" refers to 9/11 material/characters that either play down or outright omit Jewish, neo-con, Mossad, and/or Israeli involvement in the subject.

[Observer1964]

I also think that spending donation money intended for 9/11 first responders on pot, cocaine and college fees to the tune of $10 000 deserves to be called out, don't you?Yes, but show me the evidence first. I am not gonna believe it based on the youtube i partially listened.

I never donated to WAC, but all I hear from it are vids by Luke R. And I have a subscribtion to the WAC youtube channel. So if I would donate to it I would do it so he can continue doing what he is doing, I like his vids. I cant look beyond the screen what goes on and what the donation account is meant for, If I would make a donation, I would do it based on a vid I saw and asume it would go to the maker of the vid.

Anyway, I like the saying; "When you throw mud, you loose ground".

[Akasha]

.....show me the evidence first.....

The bank statements are right there on the video with his name on them. I suggest turning the sound down if you don't want to listen and pausing over each of the stills and reading them for yourself.

If you can bear to listen to the audio, not easy I know, you'll hear that WAC organized a fundraiser on the 2007 anniversary of 9/11, the proceeds of which were to be split between equipment and pamphlets and the John Feal Foundation (http://www.fealgoodfoundation.com/).

None of the raised money reached the John Feal Foundation!

I like the saying "when you throw mud, you loose ground" too but but if you embezzle donated money intended for sick and dying first responders of 9/11 to sponsor your college education, you're risking a landslide.

TBH I've enjoyed much of Luke's input over the years too which makes this all the more disappointing. I have to say though that his guerilla journalism approach whilst providing a high feelgood factor for those of us that "get it" is really just preaching to the choir. Getting hauled out of one venue after another for heckling may get Youtube hits but does it really further the cause if it's only appreciated by those already switched on? To those not "enlightened" on the subject, he's just perceived as a crazy person...."another goddam twoofer".

BTW please watch War By Deception. I'm confident you'll appreciate it.

[Dennis Leahy]

Still, I would like to see a rebuttle from Luke regarding the documents in the video.
A tactic is to tie-up or mire-down your opponent in accusations, innuendo, and even baseless lawsuits. That's what this smells like.

I wrote a lyric 40 years ago, and it contained the line, "Learn to know a brother's eyes." After all you've seen and heard from Luke, can you not tell he's one of us? (a brother)

Innocent until proven guilty, and I have to say, someone spending their time hunting down someone like Luke (or Bill Ryan, or David Icke...) is immediately suspect in my eyes.

"I just want to get to the truth!" the shill hisses out - knowing full well it is a deliberate lie. Divide and conquer. The Elite have trillions of dollars, and can easily find people to pose as people "just going after the truth" as they vomit forth lies and innuendo to discredit good people.

Dennis

[Shezbeth]

IIRC some'one' attempted to plant child pornography on Luke's Laptop sometime back, via an e-mail disguised as a contact from Oathkeepers.

He is definitely on someone's 'to-do' list.

[Akasha]

Still, I would like to see a rebuttle from Luke regarding the documents in the video.
A tactic is to tie-up or mire-down your opponent in accusations, innuendo, and even baseless lawsuits. That's what this smells like.

I wrote a lyric 40 years ago, and it contained the line, "Learn to know a brother's eyes." After all you've seen and heard from Luke, can you not tell he's one of us? (a brother)

Innocent until proven guilty, and I have to say, someone spending their time hunting down someone like Luke (or Bill Ryan, or David Icke...) is immediately suspect in my eyes.

"I just want to get to the truth!" the shill hisses out - knowing full well it is a deliberate lie. Divide and conquer. The Elite have trillions of dollars, and can easily find people to pose as people "just going after the truth" as they vomit forth lies and innuendo to discredit good people.

Dennis

I appreciate what you are saying Dennis (and everyone else who has brought up objections) but integrity is paramount if you are going to be an ambassador of truth.

[Observer1964]

.....show me the evidence first.....

The bank statements are right there on the video with his name on them. I suggest turning the sound down if you don't want to listen and pausing over each of the stills and reading them for yourself. I once helped someone making similar forgeries, so that does not impress me or count as evidence.


If you can bear to listen to the audio, not easy I know, you'll hear that WAC organized a fundraiser on the 2007 anniversary of 9/11, the proceeds of which were to be split between equipment and pamphlets and the John Feal Foundation (http://www.fealgoodfoundation.com/).

None of the raised money reached the John Feal Foundation![/QUOTE]
Like said, I dont know how true this is but I do feel like others stated here;

This proves what? except that someone doesn't like LR

Im honest i couldnt listen to this video in total they just smash talk about someone that aint got the oportunity to speak for himself.

I smell alot of EGO in that video

And I totally agree with Dennis on this...


A tactic is to tie-up or mire-down your opponent in accusations, innuendo, and even baseless lawsuits. That's what this smells like.

Innocent until proven guilty, and I have to say, someone spending their time hunting down someone like Luke (or Bill Ryan, or David Icke...) is immediately suspect in my eyes.

"I just want to get to the truth!" the shill hisses out - knowing full well it is a deliberate lie. Divide and conquer. The Elite have trillions of dollars, and can easily find people to pose as people "just going after the truth" as they vomit forth lies and innuendo to discredit good people.


If you ever had to deal with a psychopath you will know this is exactly their tactic, tie u up in defenses, spreading acusations and twisted or inverted truths.

[jerry]

Im honest i couldnt listen to this video in total they just smash talk about someone that aint got the oportunity to speak for himself.

I smell alot of EGO in that video Absolutely! I just read a thread on here about trolls and how to identify them. This post fits the bill to a tee.

[jerry]

another anti-famous_name_in_Alternative_circuit-video brought to you by the forces of division through the jelousy of failed wannabees.

You gotta love it.
I'd encourage you to watch Ryan Dawson's 9/11 documentary, War by Deception. It is the antithesis of the seminal "kosher" 9/11 documentary, Loose Change - i.e: low on production value, high on facts. If you still think he's a failed wannabe after that, fair enough, but I'd venture to say it's the most comprehensive and fearless 9/11 documentary on the net (that I know of at least) thus making him anything but.

pK6VLFdWJ4I

I also think that spending donation money intended for 9/11 first responders on pot, cocaine and college fees to the tune of $10 000 deserves to be called out, don't you?
Actions of that nature are what bring about division, not calling such action out.


NB: Just to be clear and to hopefully avoid any accusations of anti-semitism, Ryan's term "kosher 9/11" refers to 9/11 material/characters that either play down or outright omit Jewish, neo-con, Mossad, and/or Israeli involvement in the subject.

If you wanna promote these guys I can think of better ways than bashing someone who just happens to be ....competition? you could say.

[jerry]

Still, I would like to see a rebuttle from Luke regarding the documents in the video. If it was me I wouldn't waste my time on the likes of such innuendo abuse. Lukes work speaks for itself. And what he spends his money on is his business .

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Hmmmm, Luke does need to answer to this so we can get his side. Perhaps someone could send it to him or ask him?HMMMM, very interesting comment coming from EWO

[Omni]

I think Akasha is getting a bad rap. I do like how Avalon defends people in the field(even if they did do something wrong). I hope when/if I get discredited/smeared I have the same support. However I think there is enough evidence to come close to concluding Luke Rudkowski does indeed misuse funds. So in essence it could be preventing people of avalon from potentially supporting his cocaine habit. Donate to Avalon instead. I know I'd be a bit peeved if I donated to a fund for 9-11 survivors and the money went towards cocaine weed and college...

I agree with both sides of people posting, if that makes any sense. Part of me knows this is likely mind control, and Luke is not really to blame in that case. Part of me thinks this is worth posting for some of the reasons Akasha mentioned.


If you wanna promote these guys I can think of better ways than bashing someone who just happens to be ....competition? you could say.
I don't think you are being fair to Akasha personally. I don't think it was based on him being competition at all...

[jerry]

The posted video proves nothing and is really done in bad taste to say the least . I would think its being orchestrated by a group of like minded individuals who may or may not have an agenda. There's so much more out there to be exposing, Why bother with the likes of LR when we know what he does to expose the corrupt. Yet someone has spent some time and effort to try to throw the guy under the bus with accusations that to me mean nothing, of him sticking his hand in HIS cookie jar? If its an actual crime he's committed it will come out in the wash. If its just a principle of morals, well then karma will take care of that. The point about competition came to play with my thoughts when Eyes Wide Open chimed in. Who Knows ? Akasha please accept my apologies if I have offended you in any way , just expressing my views here as LR has done a lot of great stuff in exposing real crooks. I don't think its fair to him to be put in this light without proof, real proof not some you tube video.

[Omni]

The posted video proves nothing and is really done in bad taste to say the least . I would think its being orchestrated by a group of like minded individuals who may or may not have an agenda. There's so much more out there to be exposing, Why bother with the likes of LR when we know what he does to expose the corrupt. Yet someone has spent some time and effort to try to throw the guy under the bus with accusations that to me mean nothing, of him sticking his hand in HIS cookie jar? If its an actual crime he's committed it will come out in the wash. If its just a principle of morals, well then karma will take care of that. The point about competition came to play with my thoughts when Eyes Wide Open chimed in. Who Knows ? Akasha please accept my apologies if I have offended you in any way , just expressing my views here as LR has done a lot of great stuff in exposing real crooks. I don't think its fair to him to be put in this light without proof, real proof not some you tube video.
Fair enough and I agree with you. But I do think Akasha was acting in good faith. I think everyone in this thread is good people. Maybe Luke is good people too, maybe it's exaggerated, who knows. It does seem like something is up though, and I agree with EWO that I'd like to hear Luke's take on this.

[Observer1964]

But I do think Akasha was acting in good faith. I think everyone in this thread is good people. Maybe Luke is good people too, maybe it's exaggerated, who knows. It does seem like something is up though, and I agree with EWO that I'd like to hear Luke's take on this.

Somehow the saying; 'The way to hell is paved with good intentions'. is echoing in my head.

I also like conspiracy-theories and crime-stories and maybe would normally go along with this, but i feel like none of us is without sinn, or at least I did my fair share of wrong-doings, and it shaped me, helped me understand others, understand that I react to my environment by immitating what I see just like any other monkey does to learn new things. Because of these experiences I now make choices to do better and help improving the world. We all have a common enemy, an enemy that has the power to manipulate our world in a way that brings out the worst in us at manny times, and manny of us fall for it multiple times. Does that make us all bad people? Humans are predators, when pushed to the limit our instinct takes over and makes us do what we need to survive or progress. Our system is streamlined to help psychopaths take controll so what can we expect from people? That they are angels? untempted by the world we live in? No, I dont think so. But what counts for me is what someone does for the greater good, not his weaknesses and his private life.

I know criminals who love Zeitgeist and resource based economy and also help spreading those vids etc.

All I am saying is we are all in this **** together and only together we can get out and go back to our own lives. Whatever type of life someone chooses is up to them as long as we all live free and without the need to be this predator.

If someone wants to screw his life by using drugs, I think it is more important that nobody can get rich from this bad habbit and that the addict can at any moment find help overcomming the addiction. Not making it illegal and thus a market for criminals to make big money out of something that is hardly more expensive than sugar is.

We just need to stand together to avoid becomming a slave-species!

and thus not attack someone in the lead of fighting this.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Still, I would like to see a rebuttle from Luke regarding the documents in the video. If it was me I wouldn't waste my time on the likes of such innuendo abuse. Lukes work speaks for itself. And what he spends his money on is his business .

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Hmmmm, Luke does need to answer to this so we can get his side. Perhaps someone could send it to him or ask him?HMMMM, very interesting comment coming from EWO

Please don't be coy. If you have something to say, then say it. Don't hide behind cowardly innuendo. Plain speaking please.

For the record, I met Luke back at Bilderberg 2013. Nice guy. Love his work and told him so. However, those bank statements need to be addressed. Maybe it was a mistake made by Luke. We all make them. But I just want some clarification. I don't see what is wrong with that.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

OK. Done a bit of searching. Found this. Luke is confronted about it. He is somewhat evasive IMO. It sounds like he mixed funds and he says he should have had different accounts. Perhaps just an honest mistake is my thinking.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IXi1fAd8Hk

[Akasha]

OK. Done a bit of searching. Found this. Luke is confronted about it. He is somewhat evasive IMO. It sounds like he mixed funds and he says he should have had different accounts. Perhaps just an honest mistake is my thinking.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IXi1fAd8Hk

Interesting video, EWO. Thanks for sharing.

If everything is above board as Luke claims then I would suggest it is in his own interests to publish the relevant documents. The above video displays in his own words his reluctancy to talk about the subject rather than wanting to publish the details in order to vindicate himself.

If he is innocent, which I sincerely hope he is, I think he will come to regret the strategy he has chosen with regard to this subject, hopefully not before it is too late.

[jerry]

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[/COLOR]I said it, not hiding, found it interesting comment coming from another who (and I could be wrong) accepts contributions to fund your service. Is there a hidden agenda , couldn't care less, observer said it best "We just need to stand together to avoid becoming a slave-species! and thus not attack someone in the lead of fighting this." which in my take is exactly what this thread is about.


Still, I would like to see a rebuttle from Luke regarding the documents in the video. If it was me I wouldn't waste my time on the likes of such innuendo abuse. Lukes work speaks for itself. And what he spends his money on is his business .

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Hmmmm, Luke does need to answer to this so we can get his side. Perhaps someone could send it to him or ask him?HMMMM, very interesting comment coming from EWO

Please don't be coy. If you have something to say, then say it. Don't hide behind cowardly innuendo. Plain speaking please.

For the record, I met Luke back at Bilderberg 2013. Nice guy. Love his work and told him so. However, those bank statements need to be addressed. Maybe it was a mistake made by Luke. We all make them. But I just want some clarification. I don't see what is wrong with that.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

"Fund my service?" What are you talking about? I have no idea. Can you explain?

In related news, this popped up on my f/b page.

http://www.dailypaul.com/328487/ryan-dawson-exposes-we-are-changes-luke-redowski

Luke does need to answer this IMO as it looks like its spreading. I hope its all a misunderstading.

[jerry]

Obviously my bad I know nothing about your site or how its funded. The reason I added "I could be wrong" . The comment could have come as a knee jerk reaction to "Please don't be coy. If you have something to say, then say it. Don't hide behind cowardly innuendo". NO FEAR..... here.

edit: I obviously took your avatar as the one who publishes the site of EWO suspsious observers

"We just need to stand together to avoid becoming a slave-species! and thus not attack someone in the lead of fighting this." which in my take is exactly what this thread is about."

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I don't have a site. Not sure where you got that idea from?

[jerry]

I don't have a site. Not sure where you got that idea from?

I understand that now .... your avatar ...mistaken you as the one who publishes the site of EWO suspicious observers. Dumb mistake on my part..... Sorry

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Hey, no worries. I was probably just being grumpy! :)