Agenda 21

[witchy1]

Apologies in advance if this has been posted before. I knicked it from Morphcity.com.
Food and Depopulation (Part 1 of 4)

Rockefeller Family


The purpose of this article is to give a brief outline of how the elites, and the Rockefellers in particular, are using food as a weapon. Since the Rockefeller family came to power (especially after gaining a monopoly in 1914 with Standard Oil) they have manipulated our government into ruining our financial system by way of the Federal Reserve, energy through oil dependency and food with GMOs (Genetically Engineered Organisms). The intention is to rob us blind and kill us. It's time to wake up.

The official name of this program is Agenda 21 Sustainable Development. It the overarching blueprint for depopulation and total control over America and the rest of the world. There is no question that Americans are targeted for depopulation: GMO (Genetically Modified Organism) food has saturated American farmlands. GMOs are dangerous and the proliferation of corn crops (used as sweetener, animal feed, processed food, etc) in America is shortening our life spans.(1) Our water is polluted, containing over 60,000 chemicals, most of which have never been tested for safety.(2) Our air is toxic, and the US is one of the most targeted areas for chemtrails.(3) This is just the tip of the iceberg, the things we know about.

While Agenda 21 was introduced in 1992, the elite collectivists, lead by the Rockefellers, have been pushing population control on America and the world for generations. In 1992, this depopulation and control policy was modernized and given a name: Agenda 21, or the Agenda for the 21st century. The premise for depopulation and control is to preserve the environment. One would have to be an idiot to disregard environmental concerns, however, the solutions that Agenda 21 offers fail to address the real issues. The primary tools that Agenda 21 Sustainable Development uses are global warming lies, water shortages (like the man made drought in California, which also causes food shortages) and the Endangered Species Act (designed to take away private property, which is the base of wealth creation and freedom).(4) The focus of this article is revealing the link between the Rockefellers and their intended use of food as a weapon, which is more powerful than military domination and energy control.

Food control goes hand in hand with population control. The eugenics (improvement of humans through selective breeding, often using brutal methods like genocide and forced sterilization) program of the Third Reich in Nazi Germany was revealed after WWII. Obviously, people did not have a high opinion of eugenics, so, according to William Engdahl (author of "Seeds of Destruction", the Rockefeller strategists shifted their profile to champion the causes of the environment, resource scarcity and overpopulation.(5) The policy of population control remained, despite the illusion of caring concern- which is simply marketing; the word eugenics has been renamed as "human genetics". This scheme for improving their image worked for them before with their "philanthropy" and tax-free foundations, after the Rockefellers became very unpopular following the Ludlow Massacre.
The Ludlow Massacre took place at a Rockefeller owned coal mine in Colorado. The mines were notoriously unsafe, which caused many deaths and the workers were paid in scrip (currency substitute that is often credit), to be spent at the Rockefeller company stores. When the workers went on strike, they were evicted from their homes and lived with their families in tent cities. Then they were provoked through murder, machine gun spray, harassment, etc, in order to goad the workers into violence.(6) This was used as a pretext to get the National Guard involved; the state militia opened fire on the tent cities, resulting in up to 53 deaths, 13 of whom were women and children. So, the Rockefellers created a propaganda campaign to polish their tarnished image through tax exempt foundations. These foundations are hardly philanthropic; they are used to fund the destruction of America (please read this excellent transcript by G. Edward Griffin to discover the true nature of tax exempt foundations).(7)

Why do you think Senator Jay Rockefeller(8) is pushing so hard to censor the Internet?

Today, the Rockefellers use coercive population control tactics and food as a weapon through a front organization, CGIAR (Consultative Group on Agricultural Resources) as the Rockefellers are trying to distance themselves from public- just like the Rothschild clan has done. Engdahl reports that CGIAR operates under the umbrella of the UN World Bank, and its primary focus is the spread of GMO crops. CGIAR was created by the Rockefellers and the Ford Foundation, along with the UN World Bank in 1971 with $350 million dollars a year in funding.

The Rockefeller's "Green Revolution", which was the implementation of new farming methods in developing countries, like Mexico, India and Asia, increased crop yields, but ended in disaster; the program lasted from the 1940's- 1970's.(9) The "Green Revolution", funded by the Rockefeller and Ford Foundations and the US government, was a farming experiment with these results:

•Hybrid rice was planted that is often sterile in subsequent generations
•Intensive water usage, which depleted water sources
•Use of pesticides and herbicides, which causes cancer but made the manufacturers wealthy
•Use of synthetic (petroleum based) fertilizers that damaged the environment, but created untold wealth for the Rockefeller owned Standard Oil
•Created a monoculture (only a single crop is grown), which means that the food supply can be destroyed in one season
Bill Gates wants to have a new "Gene Revolution" in Africa. Bill Gates has teamed with the Rockefellers, Monsanto and the government of Norway in the Doomsday Seed Vault, in which organic seed is stored for some anticipated world catastrophe.(10)

The Rockefeller Brothers Fund created the ISAAA (International Service for the Acquisition of Agri-biotech Applications) and the Rockefeller Foundation is a major donor. The ISAAA is involved in promoting proprietary GMO seeds to developing countries. Its sponsors include Monsanto (USA), Dow AgroSciences (USA), Cargill (USA), Bayer CropScience (Germany), and a mysterious "Anonymous Donor "(USA), and US-AID of the State Department, per William Engdahl.

It is worth mentioning that Robert Deitch's book, "Hemp: American History Revisited" explains that the Great Depression was not caused by the Wall Street stock market crash of '29, but by Prohibition (the 18th Amendment that prohibited alcohol from 1920 until it was repealed in 1933). Other businesses, besides the production of alcoholic beverages, that also used alcohol were ruined. Deitch claims that the big oil interests, like Rockefeller (Standard Oil) and Mellon (Gulf Oil) demonized alcohol, not on propagandized moral grounds, but to eliminate competition. The automobile industry was in its infancy and they wanted to corner the market on energy, so they devised a plan to knock out the competition of alcohol powered vehicles.

Later, in 1937, after relentless lobbying, they did the same thing with hemp, and through deception and demonization of marijuana, hemp was outlawed. Hemp contains only miniscule trace amounts of THC (the active agent in marijuana), yet it is considered a 'controlled substance'. Hemp is a low maintenance plant that needs no pesticides or herbicides, and can produce oil, paper products, biodegradable plastics, medicine and textiles (it is also a super nutritious food). Because the Robber Barons (Rockefeller and Mellon- oil, DuPont- chemicals and Hearst- paper) were threatened, they joined together to outlaw hemp.

Hemp was later needed during WWII, so its cultivation was allowed. Hemp was a threat to the Rockefellers not only because it produces oil, but also because Cannibis has uses as a medicine, thereby threatening their pharmaceutical drug monopoly. Nelson Rockefeller, as governor of New York, in 1973, established marijuana as a Schedule I narcotic drug, through the "Rockefeller Drug Laws" which had harsh penalties for the possession and sale of drugs (including marijuana) that could result in a sentence of 15 years to life. As other States followed suit, this was the genesis of America's abysmal 'War on Drugs'.(11)

California was the first State to defy the federal government in de-criminalizing marijuana for medical use, through the 10th Amendment (States' rights). Fourteen other States have followed suit. California will be vote on marijuana legalization in November; this may pass because the government wants to tax it. Ironically, in 2006, a bill to allow hemp farming passed both houses of the California legislature, but collectivist Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed the bill because he said that marijuana and hemp are indistinguishable under federal law. Hemp could go a long way toward saving California's bankrupt economy.

Fifteen other States have introduced or enacted legislation to grow hemp, but they fear the federal Drug Enforcement Agency.(12)
Interestingly, California will have an initiative on the ballot in November to legalize marijuana. This means that if it passes, anyone can smoke marijuana for any reason, as opposed to limiting it to medical marijuana use. This is important for 2 reasons; first, it would open the door for hemp cultivation for food, oil, natural plastics, paper, etc. The second reason this is important is because it would nullify the federal drug law, thus enforcing the Tenth Amendment for state sovereignty.

Thanks to F. William Engdahl, author of "Seeds of Destruction"

1.http://www.theholisticoption.com/Pages/Video_King_Corn_Documentary_219.aspx
2.http://www.naturalnews.com/028638_EPA_water_supply.html
3.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD9ezi55mO4&feature=related
4.www. MorphCity.com
5.http://www.mindfully.org/GE/2005/Geopolitics-GM-Food6mar05.htm
6.http://www.newdemocracyworld.org/Bill-Gates-3.pdf
7.http://www.realityzone.com/hiddenagenda2.html
8.http://www.infowars.com/murder-of-the-internet-and-the-free-market/
9.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Revolution
10.http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7529
11.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_drug_laws
12.http://www.naturalnews.com/020625_hemp_farming_politics.html
Links to 3 other articles in this series:

http://www.morphcity.com/home/71-food-and-depopulation-part-2-of-4

http://www.morphcity.com/home/73-food-and-depopulation-part-3-of-4

http://www.morphcity.com/home/75-food-and-depopulation-part-4-of-4
Written by Cassandra Anderson.

[shadowstalker]

Truly informative, Ya they tried to make them look good on a docu on CNBC a few weeks ago

[Steven]

Hi witchy1,

Thanks for the thread. Here a bit more information on Agenda 21. I personally think it is important for the people to know this. Not only to know about it, but also to discern behind the appearance of a good thing, a protective body of laws to ensure Earth and Nature's preservation. Well, it seems like it, but if one looks further behind the complex use of terms and words, it is designed to ensure Tyranny on Earth. Where the ones behind the laws are fully in control over a redesigned Humanity. They want to create their perfect "garden" so to speak, where we, the people, are nothing but resources.

I use very hard ideas to express my thoughts, but it is indeed "their" intent, so it seems to me. What I would like to make crystal clear, is simple. It ain't gonna happen. Their focus... Mine is on Freedom of the soul. And we are many, waking up each day.

from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21

from U.N. : http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/

the text : http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml

Wake up people and please, once awaken, shake your neighbor so he can wake up too! ;)

Namaste, Steven

[witchy1]

Jeez, it just gets worse and worse. Arent these people due to pass over any time soon! Or do they have prodgeny to fill in where they left off.

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Whoops - that was bit uncharitable

[Steven]

The people passes, but the "spirit" stays. We, the people, are the ones brainwashed into a mindset of victimhood that literally ask for Tyranny. The Universe answers the casting of all our subconscious minds to create a paradigm correspondingly. Agenda 21 is like many other things of their arsenal that needs to be weakened by a focus/mindset on Freedom.

Namaste, Steven

[Sensual One]

It's a shame we don't utilize hemp more in the UK. Yes we all know we can get a nice high from "the herb" but it has so much more to offer us.

[Bill Ryan]

Many thanks for the good info - my own information is that the insiders are definitely intending to use the supply and distribution of food as a depopulation weapon in the coming few years.

[Sensual One]

Many thanks for the good info - my own information is that the insiders are definitely intending to use the supply and distribution of food as a depopulation weapon in the coming few years.

Do you honestly believe that THEY would try this in the UK ? I can't see it working here at all.

[Fredkc]

Do you honestly believe that THEY would try this in the UK ? I can't see it working here at all.

I would think, the smaller the area, the easier to enforce, really.

The UK having a closed circuit camera for every 5 people... that + helicopters, just how much of the island is completely unobserved?

Compare that with trying to 'monitor' Canada, the US, or even Argentina, or Brazil.

[Steven]

Do you honestly believe that THEY would try this in the UK ? I can't see it working here at all.

At a smaller scale of gravity, it has already been done with fluoride in water, isn't it? It could be done once again in the future with some new components. What about genetically modified food, looking to be an efficent sterilization agent after a few generation of living beings fed with it. Or all these food additive agent like Sulfate, BHA and BHT, Aspartame, BSG, Nitrate and Nitrite, etc... All acknowledge to be harmful to the human body, but still put in the food by the laws and industrial complex.

For example, the Agenda 21 wants to make illicit the alternative medicinal knowledge and stores. It would be criminal to grow your own food, to make your own remedies...

Namaste, Steven

[Sensual One]

At a smaller scale of gravity, it has already being done with fluorid in water, isn't it? It could be done once again in the future with some new components. What about genetically modified food, looking to be an efficent sterilization agent after a few generation of living beings fed with it. Or all these food additive agent like Sulfite, BHA and BHT, Aspartame, BSG, Nitrate and Nitrite, etc... All acknowledge to be harmful to the human body, but still put in the food by the laws and industrial complex.

For example, the Agenda 21 wants to make illicite the alternative medicinal knowledge and stores. It would be criminal to grow your own food, to make your own remedies...

Namaste, Steven

Not allowed to grow your own food !

That could get very bloody indeed. Take my greenhouse away and you'll pay with your life !:(

[Zook]

Hi Sensual One,


Do you honestly believe that THEY would try this in the UK ? I can't see it working here at all.

My gut feeling is that they'll try it wherever the local population offers the least resistance. UK citizenry is largely unarmed. US citizenry isn't. So I would look for food action happening in the UK before it happens in the US. Also, they'll probably try food as a weapon where other methods won't work or aren't desired. You can selectively kill the poor by controlling the food spigot; if I'm not mistaken, didn't they perform a trial run recently where they reduced the availiabilty of rice (and other staple foods), prompting a market increase in the price of rice, causing the deaths of several hundred thousand people worldwide who couldn't afford the rice at the new price? (These deaths in addition to the normal rate of mortality in that socioeconomic class. I'll look up the link, if requested.) Usage of biological and chemical weapons is less discriminating and, therefore, may not be desired in the first worlds. I guess the bottom line is this ... the choice of culling weapon will likely depend on at least two main considerations: (1) the culling rate desired by the psychopathic parallel killer mindset, (2) the degree of racial targeting that this mindset settles upon.

If you belong to any of the putative white subraces (of the human race), don't lose your vigilance. TBastardsTB may see you as a bigger threat to their powerbase than any member of the putative colored subraces. The latter they can readily distinguish and mark as slave units. By contrast, the former can assimilate, grow in relative anonymity, and eventually takeover the powerbase. There's a reason why the alpha male poses a mortal threat to those lion cubs in the herd that he has not sired himself.

IMHO, the subracial dimension of elitist psychopathy is the unpredictable unknown ... and the greatest threat to humanity ... after all, it's a divide and conquer tool that the elitists did not have to forge themselves before placing in the emperor's toolbox of methodologies. Having said that, I'm highly encouraged
that the populations of the world are not falling for the racial baiting and are not substituting each other for their perceived enemy. I see quite the opposite happening here on Avalon, and in larger society, namely, that the arrows of justice are being pointed at the deserving targets: the naked emperors (e.g. the elitist central bankers and oligarchs).

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[grannyfranny100]

Codex Alimentarius is an international agreement which Congress is now accepting. S. 510 is not about food safety; it is extremely harmful to your health and part of the depopulation plot. Please read http://www.lewrockwell.com/rep/food-safety-bill-dangerous-for-economy.html. I would recommend you read it on the toilet because it will scare the you know what out of you.

Granny Franny

[observer]

For those of you who are not up to date on what Agenda 21 represents, here's a good primer:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzEEgtOFFlM&NR=1

Take special note of the map for sustainable development.

[bluestflame]

what the body needs to continue , food , check, water, check, oxygen, check , ....I think they got the main essentials under control ....seems they are firmly cementing in the pavers one at a time and not drawing attention to the pavers till they are all in place

then once the road is in use people seem to notice it for the first time and too late

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am learning to recognise the pavers

[Lost Soul]

The first post should be mandatory reading for anyone who visits Project Avalon Forum. OK, voluntary, but h highly recommended. No need to mimic .gov. ;)

[Zook]

HI Observer,


For those of you who are not up to date on what Agenda 21 represents, here's a good primer:
[...]
Take special note of the map for sustainable development.

Excellent stuff!! Here's another video (at the link you provided) that gives more information about what the global elites have planned for us and are in the process of implementing. These are truly twisted people, folks; they will try everything and every trick in the book to reduce humanity to a robotic nature, and humans to robots:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TanftYACLmA&feature=related

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ps: I totally agree with Lost Soul that this Agenda 21 stuff should be quasi-compulsory reading for Avalonians. Agenda 21. Codex Alimentarius. Georgia Guidestones. Sustainable Development. These are little more than euphemisms for population reduction.

[Steven]

Agenda 21 explained, from an american point of view : http://www.truthistreason.net/taking-liberty-agenda-21-explained

Notion of property would drastically change. Federal Reserve and park would be huge, meaning the people will have to live in cities. Food and remedies would be illicite to produce by individuals...

Namaste, Steven

[witchy1]

Heres the link to the actual document - available on UN website:

http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml

[jackovesk]

How to Fight Back Against Sustainable Development (Agenda 21)

Note: A Fantastic and Informative article by Tom DeWeese on not only how Agenda 21 can be stopped, but how it works under the guise of the NWO's latest Buzz-Words "Sustainable Development". This can be applied to any Country where Agenda 21 policies are being enforced.

Well worth reading...

"For the past fifteen years my efforts against Agenda 21 and Sustainable Development have been single-minded – get the message out to tell people about what it is and why it is dangerous to our way of life. All of our materials, special reports, hand outs, speeches, radio and television interviews and DVDs have been created for that purpose.

However, we have had so much success over the past year in getting that message out that we are now faced with a new problem. People are getting the message. They know what the problem is. So they are asking the next logical question – how do we fight back? It sounds like and easy question to be put to someone like me who has worked on the issue and sounded the alarm for so long. But in fact, actually having success in organizing people to fight Sustainable Development in their local communities is a very new thing.

I could blow smoke at them and pretend I know the answer. That would just be sending lambs to the slaughter. It’s easy to stand in front of a friendly audience and dazzle them with facts and figures, get them riled and then tell them to charge down to city council as I make a quick exit from town. And I have done that many times. The truth is, however, I have never stood in front of city councils or county commissions and endured their sarcasm as I tried to question their policies or explain where it comes from.

So, now, as more and more call my office asking what to do next, I felt it was vital that I learn first hand how to fight back and then share that experience to make our fight more effective and eventually successful in stopping Sustainable Development. That’s what I’ve been doing in my local community for the past five months. I’ve also been traveling across the state of Virginia, working with local activists in their communities and learning from them. Recently I joined fellow Virginia activist Donna Holt as we presented the case against sustainable development to the staff of Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli. We have also been successful so far in working with the

Virginia legislature to move a bill that will end mandatory comprehensive development plans in local communities. The sustainabilists have been using legislation passed in Virginia in 2007 as an effective weapon to force the policy on local communities. It hasn’t passed yet, but we forced it out of committee over the objections of the VA Speaker of the House. That alone was a victory in that it started debate on the issue, something that has been missing at the state level. Such legislative action can serve as a model for legislators around the nation.

The fight has only begun, but I and these fellow activists are learning a lot. So, to help all of the movement to take on the fight in their community, I want to share what we’ve learned so far.

Be aware of the world in which your elected officials live...

To begin the effort to fight back against Sustainable Development it is vital to first understand the massive structure you are facing. You need to know who the players are and you need to understand the political world your officials are operating in. This may help you to understand that perhaps they aren’t all evil globalists, but, perhaps, good people who are surrounded by powers that won’t let them see the reality of the policies they are helping to implement. I’m certainly not making excuses for them, but before you rush in and start yelling about their enforcing UN policies on the community, here are some things you should consider.

In most communities, you mayor, city council members and county commissioners are automatically members of national organizations like the National Conference of Mayors, National League of Cities, and the national associations for city council members, and the same for commissioners. Those in the state government also have the National Governors Association and state legislators have their national organization. For the past fifteen years or more, each and every one of these national organizations have been promoting Sustainable Development. The National Mayors Conference and the Governors Association have been leaders in this agenda, many times working directly with UN organizations to promote the policy. This is the message your local elected leaders hear; from the podium; from fellow officials from other communities; from “experts” they’ve been told to respect; in committee meetings; from dinner speakers; from literature they are given at such meetings. They are told of legislation that will be soon be implemented, and they are even provided sample legislation to introduce in their communities.

There is also a second horde involved in the sustainablist invasion – state and federal agency officials including EPA agents; air and water quality agents; Interior Department officials, HUD officials, energy officials, Commerce Department officials, and on and on – all targeting your locally elected officials with policy, money, regulations, reports, special planning boards, meetings, and conferences, all promoting the exact same agenda.

And don’t forget the news media, both locally and nationally, also promoting the Sustainablist agenda, attacking anyone not going along, ready to quickly use the “extremist” label. The message is clear – Sustainable Development is reality – politically correct, necessary, unquestionable, and it has consensus.

Is your head spinning yet? Think of the affect all of this has on a poor local official who just thought he would run for office and serve his community. This is his reality. This is what he thinks government is supposed to be because, after all, everyone he is dealing with says so.

Now, as he is surrounded by all of these important, powerful folks, along comes a local citizen who tells him that some guy named Tom DeWeese says all of these programs are from the UN and are taking away our liberty. Who? He said what? Come on, I’m not doing that. And I don’t have time to talk about it. I have another meeting to go to.

If we are going to successfully fight Agenda 21, it is vitally important that we all recognize this reality as we plan to deal with it and defeat it. With that in mind, I offer the following ideas.

How to fight back...

Research: Don’t even begin to open up a fight until you know certain details. First who are the players in your community. What privately funded “stakeholder” groups are there? What is their agenda? What other communities have they operated in? What projects? What results? Who are their members in your community? Are they residents or did they come from“out of town?” (That could prove to be valuable information later in the fight). Finding this information may be the hardest of your efforts. They like to operate out of the spotlight. It’s not likely that the town will carry official documentation of who it is working with. It probably will require that you attend lots of meetings and hearings. Take note of who is there and their role. Do this quietly. Don’t announce to the community what you are doing. Don’t make yourselves a target. You may have to ask questions and that may raise some eyebrows. But stay out of the way as much as possible.

Second, get all the details on the plans your community is working on. Has there already been legislation passed? Most of this information can be found on the town website. Knowing this information will help you put together a plan of action. Once you have it, you can begin to take your fight public.

With the information you have gathered, begin to examine the effect the policies will have on the community and its residents. Find who the victims of the legislation may be. This will be of great value as you confront city council. People understand victim stories – especially if it is them. It is the best way to undermine the process.

You will find that Conservation Easements have raised taxes as much of the county land is removed from the tax rolls – someone has to make up for the lost revenue and the payment of easements. Are “stakeholder” groups helping to get landowners to sign up for the easements – and if so – do they get any kind of kickbacks? Who are getting the easements? You may find the rich land owners have found a great loophole to cut their own property taxes as the middle class pays for it.

Does the community plan call for reduction of energy use? If so, look for calls for energy audits and taxes on energy use. The audits mean that the government has set a goal to reduce energy use. It will follow that government agents are going to come into your home to inspect your energy use. Then they are going to tell you what must be done in your home to cut usage. That will cost you money. Don’t fall for the line that it is all voluntary – to help you save money. They haven’t gone to this much trouble to be ignored. Regulations are not voluntary.

These are just a couple of examples of what to look for as you do your research. There are many more, including meters on wells to control water use, smart meters on your thermostat to take away your control of your thermostat; non elected boards and councils to control local development and implement smart growth, leading to population growth; Public/Private Partnerships with local and large corporations to “go Green;” creation of open space; pushing back live stock from streams, enforcing sustainable farming methods that restrict energy and water use in farming practices; and much more. It all leads to higher costs and shortages, in the name of environmental protection and conservation.

Your goal is to stop Sustainable Development in your community. That means to stop the creation of non-elected regional government councils that are difficult to hold accountable. It means to stop local governments from taking state and federal grants that come with massive strings attached to enforce compliance. And it means you must succeed in removing outsider organizations and Stakeholder groups that are pressuring your elected officials to do their bidding.

Civic Action: Armed with as much information as you can gather (and armed with the ability to coherently discuss its details) you are ready to take you battle to the public. First, it would be better for you to try to discuss it privately with some of your elected officials, especially if you know them. Tell them what you have found and explain why you are opposed. First discuss the effects of the policies on the average citizen. Explain why they are bad. Slowly being the conversation around to the origin of such polices – Agenda 21 and the UN. Don’t start there. It is important that you build the case to show that these policies are not local, but part of a national and international agenda. If this conversation does not go well (and it probably won’t) then you have to take it to the next level – to the public.

Begin a two fold campaign. First, write a series of letters to the editor for the local newspaper. Make sure that you are not alone. Coordinate your letters with others who will also write letters to back up and support what you have written. These will generate more letters from others, some for your position and other against you. Be prepared to answer those against you as they are probably written by those “Stakeholders” who are implementing the policies in the first place. This may be a useful place for you to use what you’ve learned about these groups to discredit them.

Second, begin to attend Council meetings and ask questions. The response from the council members will determine your next move. If you are ignored and your questions met with silence or hostility, prepare a news release detailing your questions and the background you have as to why you asked those questions. Pass the news release out to the people at the next meeting as well as the news media. Attend the next meeting and the next demanding answers. Be sure to organize people to come with you. Don’t try this alone. If necessary, have demonstrators outside city hall carrying signs or handing out flyers with the name and picture of the officials who won’t answer your questions along with the question you asked – including the details you have about the policy.

The point in all of this is to make the issue public. Take away their ability to hide the details from the public. Expose the hoards of outsiders who are dictating policy in your community. Force the people you elected to deal with YOU – not the army of selfappointed “stakeholders” and government officials. Shine a very right spotlight on the ratsunder the rock. If the newspaper is with you, great, but you will probably find it with the other side. It may be difficult to get a fair shake in the newspaper or on radio. That’s why you deliver your news releases to both the media and the public. Get signs, and flyers in stores if necessary. And keep it up for as long as it takes. Have the tenacity of the folks in Egypt who would not leave the demonstration until they had acquired victory.

The final step is to use the energy you have created to run candidates for office against those who have ignored and fought you. Ultimately, that is the office holders worst nightmare and may be the most effective way to get them to respond and serve their constituents.

Fighting ICLEI

If ICLEI is in your city, the details about Agenda 21 and the UN connection is easier. Your community is paying them dues with your tax dollars. Here is how to handle them: if your council derides your statements that their policies come from the UNs Agenda 21, simply print out the home page from ICLEI’s web site – http://www.iclei.org. This will have all of the UN connections you’ve been talking about, in ICLIE’s own words. Pass out the web page copies to everyone in the chamber audience and say to your elected officials, “don’t call me a radical simply for reporting what ICLEI openly admits on its own web site. I’m just the one pointing it out – you are the ones who are paying our tax dollars to them.”Then demand that those payment stop. You have proven your case.

Stopping Consensus Meetings...

Most public meetings are now run by trained and highly paid facilitators whose jobs is to control the meeting and bring it to a preplanned conclusion. If he is good at his job, the facilitator can actually make the audience think the “consensus” they have reached on and issue or proposal is actually their idea. This is how Sustainable Development is being implemented across the nation, especially in meetings or planning boards that are advertised as open to the public. They really don’t want you there and the tactic is used to move forward in full view of the public without them knowing what is happening. There is nothing free or open about the consensus process. It is designed to eliminate debate and close discussion.

To bust up the process you must never participate, even to answer a question. To do so allows the facilitator to make you part of the process. Instead, you must control the discussion. Here is a quick suggestion on how to foul up the works. Never go alone to such a meeting. You will need at least three people – the more the better. Do not sit together. Instead, fan out in the room in a triangle formation. Know ahead of time the questions you want to ask: Who is the facilitator? What is his association with the organizers? Is he being paid? Where did these programs (being proposed) come from? How are they to be funded?

One question to ask over and over again, both at facilitated meetings and city council meetings, is this: “With the implementation of this policy, tell me a single right or action I have on my property that doesn’t require your approval or involvement. What are my rights as a property owner?” Make them name it. You will quickly see that they too understand there are no property rights left in America.

By asking these questions you are putting his legitimacy in question, building suspicion among the rest of the audience, destroying his authority. He will try to counter, either by patronizing and humoring you, at first, or, then becoming hostile, moving to have you removed as a disruptive force. That’s where the rest of your group come in. They need to back you up, demand answers to your questions. If you have enough people in the room you can cause a major disruption, making it impossible for the facilitator to move forward with his agenda. Do not walk out and leave the room to him. Stay to the end and make him shut down the meeting.

In conclusion…

These suggestions on how to fight back are, admittedly, very basic and elementary. They are meant only to be a guideline. You will have to do your homework and adapt these tactics to your local situation. These tactics are designed to create controversy and debate to force the Agenda 21 issue out of the secret meetings and into public debate where they belong. Many of these same tactics can be used at all levels of government, right up and into the state legislature. Our plan is to demand answers from elected officials who want to ignore us. They must be taught that such actions have consequences.

As we learn new, successful tactics, I’ll share them with activists across the nation. The Americans Policy Center is now in the process of creating a new website devoted to Sustainable Development where activists across the nation can share their findings, successful tactics and research with the rest of the movement. The website, not yet in action, is www.sustainabledevelopment.com (http://www.sustainabledevelopment.com). Watch for it.

The exciting news is that, finally, Americans are beginning to understand that Agenda 21 is destroying our nation and they are beginning to fight back. The battle to stop the UN’s Agenda 21 is flaming across the nation."

Tom DeWeese is one of the nation’s leading advocates of individual liberty, free enterprise, private property rights, personal privacy, back-to-basics education and American sovereignty and independence. Go to americanpolicy.org for more information

http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=3af5d41d21ad9fce53c86ba9d&id=50818a3857&e=a3672262a8

[jackovesk]

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[sygh]

Thank you for this information, I will be looking into it.

[ktlight]

Conspiracy? Not really. This is right in your face if you know where to look and what the actual agenda is.

There is a good chance your local government is already listed.

http://www.iclei.org/

P.S. Sustainability is code speak for population reduction.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiDKWy_oSMw

[ktlight]

Agenda 21 is the Master Plan put forth by the United Nations in 1992 and adopted by President Bill Clinton. Agenda 21 is a green initiative with targets cars and people living away from cities who must commute. Their goal is to develop large, congested city centers for people to reside, and provide mass transit for the city dwellers to commute to work. It also targets large parcels of land in the world, including the United States, to be redistricted to "open space land", thereby making it undevelopable.

Agenda 21 is now being adopted in California, specifically in the San Francisco Bay Area, under the name "Plan Bay Area". Plan Bay Area's goal is to develop large congested downtown metro areas, with shops, stores, theaters, and mass high rise housing. They aim to get people out of their private suburban residences and cars, and warehouse them in these large metro areas. These areas will also house California's large immigrant population, including illegal immigrants.

Plan Bay Area had hosted a 'dog and pony' show in April and May of 2011 to showcase their "vision" and to "solicit" public feedback. This is one of those meeting which did not go very well due to a number of suspicious and disgruntled citizens.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH5KYGV8314

[jackovesk]

Please Watch til the End of the Clip below...

This is only 1 of many examples of 'Agenda 21' in action all over the world!

Maine is a state in the New England region of the northeastern United States, bordered by the Atlantic Ocean to the east and south.

Agenda 21 Example: Maine's Gateway 1 Corridor Action Plan an organic response to a local problem or a small part of a much broader agenda? Are property rights at risk?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VcqixNW5D8&feature=related

PS - Even the Maine Council workers state they have never heard of Agenda 21?

After watching and Understanding the information within the video, I hope it will help you see how the NWO Globalists Trick you by using the word 'Sustainability' to have you falsely believe the Govt. is doing something good for the environment?

Just like they try and Trick you Again into believing in the Global Warming Scam!

Without the innocent public ever knowing the Cap 'n' Trade / Carbon Tax is the very vehicle the NWO Globalists want YOU ALL to pay to fund their UN Globalist World Govt!

Knowledge is Power my friends, hence Why I will continue to help 'Wake Up' those who don't fully understand 'Agenda 21'.

So if you have found any other 'Agenda 21' Clips to Expose & Educate others on this Scam please post them here...

Thanks to all those who Watched the Clip in its entirety and understand or are starting to understand just HOW the NWO uses 'Agenda 21' against Countries all around the world to steal their Property and Sovereignty...

Jack

[ponda]

Agenda 21 in One Easy Lesson


Editor's Note: We should all do our best to be conscious of our personal impact on the environment, but we should not be forced into lifestyle modifications by the ruling elite. Environmentalists need to wake up because the movement has been hijacked by the toxic polluters themselves for very nefarious reasons.


Awareness of Agenda 21 and Sustainable Development is racing across the nation as citizens in community after community are learning what their city planners are actually up to. As awareness grows, I am receiving more and more calls for tools to help activists fight back. Many complain that elected officials just won’t read detailed reports or watch long videos. “Can you give us something that is quick, and easy to read that we can hand out,” I’m asked.

So here it is. A one page, quick description of Agenda 21 that fits on one page. I’ve also included for the back side of your hand out a list of quotes for the perpetrators of Agenda 21 that should back up my brief descriptions.

A word of caution, use this as a starter kit, but do not allow it to be your only knowledge of this very complex subject. To kill it you have to know the facts. Research, know your details; discover the NGO players in your community; identify who is victimized by the policies and recruit them to your fight; and then kill Agenda 21. That’s how it must be done. The information below is only your first step. Happy hunting.



What is Sustainable Development?

According to its authors, the objective of sustainable development is to integrate economic, social and environmental policies in order to achieve reduced consumption, social equity, and the preservation and restoration of biodiversity. Sustainablists insist that every societal decision be based on environmental impact, focusing on three components; global land use, global education, and global population control and reduction.

Social Equity (Social injustice)

Social justice is described as the right and opportunity of all people “to benefit equally from the resources afforded us by society and the environment.” Redistribution of wealth. Private property is a social injustice since not everyone can build wealth from it. National sovereignty is a social injustice. Universal health care is a social injustice. All part of Agenda 21 policy.

Economic Prosperity

Public Private Partnerships (PPP). Special dealings between government and certain, chosen corporations which get tax breaks, grants and the government’s power of Eminent Domain to implement sustainable policy. Government-sanctioned monopolies.

Local Sustainable Development policies

Smart Growth, Wildlands Project, Resilient Cities, Regional Visioning Projects, STAR Sustainable Communities, Green jobs, Green Building Codes, “Going Green,” Alternative Energy, Local Visioning, facilitators, regional planning, historic preservation, conservation easements, development rights, sustainable farming, comprehensive planning, growth management, consensus.

Who is behind it?

ICLEI – Local Governments for Sustainability (formally, International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives). Communities pay ICLEI dues to provide “local” community plans, software, training, etc. Addition groups include American Planning Council, The Renaissance Planning Group, International City/ County Management Group, aided by US Mayors Conference, National Governors Association, National League of Cities, National Association of County Administrators and many more private organizations and official government agencies. Foundation and government grants drive the process.

Where did it originate?

The term Sustainable Development was first introduced to the world in the pages a 1987 report (Our Common Future) produced by the United Nations World Commission on Environmental and Development, authored by Gro Harlem Brundtland, VP of the World Socialist Party. The term was first offered as official UN policy in 1992, in a document called UN Sustainable Development Agenda 21, issued at the UN’s Earth Summit, today referred to simply as Agenda 21.

What gives Agenda 21 Ruling Authority?

More than 178 nations adopted Agenda 21 as official policy during a signing ceremony at the Earth Summit. US president George H.W. Bush signed the document for the US. In signing, each nation pledge to adopt the goals of Agenda 21. In 1995, President Bill Clinton, in compliance with Agenda 21, signed Executive Order #12858 to create the President’s Council on Sustainable Development in order to “harmonize” US environmental policy with UN directives as outlined in Agenda 21. The EO directed all agencies of the Federal Government to work with state and local community governments in a joint effort “reinvent” government using the guidelines outlined in Agenda 21. As a result, with the assistance of groups like ICLEI, Sustainable Development is now emerging as government policy in every town, county and state in the nation.

Revealing Quotes From the Planners

“Agenda 21 proposes an array of actions which are intended to be implemented by EVERY person on Earth…it calls for specific changes in the activities of ALL people… Effective execution of Agenda 21 will REQUIRE a profound reorientation of ALL humans, unlike anything the world has ever experienced… ” Agenda 21: The Earth Summit Strategy to Save Our Planet (Earthpress, 1993). Emphases – DR

Urgent to implement – but we don’t know what it is!

“The realities of life on our planet dictate that continued economic development as we know it cannot be sustained…Sustainable development, therefore is a program of action for local and global economic reform – a program that has yet to be fully defined.” The Local Agenda 21 Planning Guide, published by ICLEI, 1996.

“No one fully understands how or even, if, sustainable development can be achieved; however, there is growing consensus that it must be accomplished at the local level if it is ever to be achieved on a global basis.” The Local Agenda 21 Planning Guide, published by ICLEI, 1996.

Agenda 21 and Private Property

“Land…cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market. Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth, therefore contributes to social injustice.” From the report from the 1976 UN’s Habitat I Conference.

“Private land use decisions are often driven by strong economic incentives that result in several ecological and aesthetic consequences…The key to overcoming it is through public policy…” Report from the President’s Council on Sustainable Development, page 112.

“Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class – involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work air conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable.” Maurice Strong, Secretary General of the UN’s Earth Summit, 1992.

Reinvention of Government

“We need a new collaborative decision process that leads to better decisions, more rapid change, and more sensible use of human, natural and financial resources in achieving our goals.” Report from the President’s Council on Sustainable Development

“Individual rights will have to take a back seat to the collective.” Harvey Ruvin, Vice Chairman, ICLEI. The Wildlands Project

“We must make this place an insecure and inhospitable place for Capitalists and their projects – we must reclaim the roads and plowed lands, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres or presently settled land.” Dave Foreman, Earth First.

What is not sustainable?

Ski runs, grazing of livestock, plowing of soil, building fences, industry, single family homes, paves and tarred roads, logging activities, dams and reservoirs, power line construction, and economic systems that fail to set proper value on the environment.” UN’s Biodiversity Assessment Report.

Hide Agenda 21’s UN roots from the people

“Participating in a UN advocated planning process would very likely bring out many of the conspiracy- fixated groups and individuals in our society… This segment of our society who fear ‘one-world government’ and a UN invasion of the United States through which our individual freedom would be stripped away would actively work to defeat any elected official who joined ‘the conspiracy’ by undertaking LA21. So we call our process something else, such as comprehensive planning, growth management or smart growth.” J. Gary Lawrence, advisor to President Clinton’s Council on Sustainable Development.

Article link:

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/06/agenda-21-in-one-easy-lesson.html

Related article: Why 'Self-Sufficiency' Should Replace 'Sustainability' in the Environmental Movement

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/04/why-self-sufficiency-should-replace.html

[buckminster fuller]

Because an idea, a concept is hijacked by tptb in order to achieve their own goals doesn't mean that the said concept is to be thrown away and cannot bring up something positive. This is what happened with the idea of communism, it has been destroyed precisely because tptb used it to their advantage. Yet, the idea is noble and pragmatic in many views. Of course not compatible with today's standards, imposed by the consumerist society, but quite philanthropic and it could have manifested in very different ways.. See, this is exactly what they want us to do, throw the baby with the baby's baths water, while they steal natural resources from "developing" (hate this term) countries.

Sustainable development cannot be replaced by self-sufficiency, they don't aim at the same thing. They are, in my view, complementary concepts.

Peace

[ponda]

buckminster fuller said:

Sustainable development cannot be replaced by self-sufficiency, they don't aim at the same thing. They are, in my view, complementary concepts.


Yes getting the balance right is important and being flexible.Nice words buckminster

[Cartomancer]

Agenda 21 and Codex Alimentarius are two of the most insidious tools the NWO is using to co-opt the planet. Has anyone noticed that the "Clean Food Safety Act" resembles Codex? They keep forcing these UN laws down out throats in the guise of local and Federal laws that people do not even pay attention to. Really if you examine the "Arab Spring", The Deepwater Horizon spill, Haiti, The Sudan and what is going on in those places it may actually be agenda 21 being enacted. Now its going to be any excuse to take your country over because you are not sustainable or clean enough. What is scary is that I see a move on the LOCAL level to curtail farmers markets etc.

[Mad Hatter]

Yep... the good old 'shortage' meme in full swing...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzEEgtOFFlM

[buckminster fuller]

Agenda 21 and Codex Alimentarius are two of the most insidious tools the NWO is using to co-opt the planet. Has anyone noticed that the "Clean Food Safety Act" resembles Codex? They keep forcing these UN laws down out throats in the guise of local and Federal laws that people do not even pay attention to. Really if you examine the "Arab Spring", The Deepwater Horizon spill, Haiti, The Sudan and what is going on in those places it may actually be agenda 21 being enacted. Now its going to be any excuse to take your country over because you are not sustainable or clean enough. What is scary is that I see a move on the LOCAL level to curtail farmers markets etc.

If only it was the UN alone, the FMI, the OMS, the OMC, the FED also (by lending huge amounts of money at heavy rates to other countries, see the billions of dollars that are not accounted for...) all converge toward the same old goal which purely is the same old imperialism exhibited through the colonies. This is truly disgusting since they now do it in the disguise of democracy...

[hholder]

I don't know if any of you saw this, sorry if it's old news

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q966tz9aEHM&feature=player_embedded

[aranuk]

there is aproblem loading that page

Stan

[The One]

TzEEgtOFFlM

The United Nations Agenda 21 was signed by the United States in 1992 and 19 years later, people are still in the dark. If you were to ask at random the question, "Have you heard of Agenda 21?" the answer would be an over-whelming "No," although it is being implemented in every local community.

Agenda 21 is a 40 chapter document listing goals to be achieved globally. It is the global plan to change the way we "live, eat, learn and communicate" because we must "save the earth."

"Its regulation would severely limit water, electricity, and transportation - even deny human access to our most treasured wilderness areas, it would monitor all lands and people. No one would be free from the watchful eye of the new global tracking and information system," according to Berit Kjos, author of Brave New Schools.

Maurice Strong, Secretary-general of the 1992 United Nations Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) in Rio de Janeiro said, "...[C]urrent lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class - involving high meat consumption and large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and workplace air-conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable. A shift is necessary which will require a vast strengthening of the multilateral system, including the United Nations.

In other words, the Global plan is for us to live on the level of third world nations. That means no box mixes or microwave meals, limited use of fuel of any kind, no air-conditioning and very little meat. When the cost of freon skyrocketed, when mad cow disease hit, the National Animal Identification System introduced, the price of fuel soared, it has become apparent that given time, these sustainable controls will be put into place - one way or another - and the Global Governance is powerful.

In 1992, Agenda 21 began to change our lives. In that same year, Al Gore wrote his book, Earth in the Balance. To advance his cause, he has now written another piece of fiction entitled, An Inconvenient Truth about global warmingâ¦..he even starred in the movie. He also thinks he invented the internet.

Although groundwork had been laid, it took a Bill Clinton to actually introduce something so invasive to our nation and get by with it without the public becoming aware. President Clinton appointed his "Presidentâs Council on Sustainable Development" and he literally gave away the rights and freedoms the framers of the Constitution had provided.

People in the United States may not know about Agenda 21 and the Presidentâs Council on Sustainable Development, but people around the world do. They know that Chicago has one of the greatest numbers of activities existing at the local, neighborhood and/or microregional level. They also know that the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) monitors and promotes activities in this field through their Office for Sustainable Ecosystem and Communities.

Found on a Slovakian website: "To the leading countries in the field of development but especially of practical using of sustainable development indicators belong to the U.S.A. At the top level these activities are promoted by the Presidentâs Council on Sustainable Development (1996), which defined a set of ten national goals toward sustainable development. These goals express in concrete terms the elements of sustainability. Alongside the goals are suggested indicators that can be used to help measure progress toward achieving them.â

Agenda 21 is certainly not a secret. The internet is full of how Agenda 21 has been fulfilled through Smart Growth planning, land use, sustainable development and extreme environmentalism. The so-called agenda is grant driven to your city council or county board in terms of sustainable, visioning, partners, tourism and stakeholders, along with consensus and other terms with the intent to make you believe we are running out of all our resources and we must do our part and "save for tomorrow. [See Agenda 21's Table of Contents.]

It has nothing to do about âsaving anythingâ â it has everything to do with âcontrol.â Sadly, very few congressmen even know Agenda 21 is actually running our country when they are voting to send grant money back home. Agenda 21 is incentive driven as the planners know that greed in the heart of man will be his downfall.

The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, better known as ANWR, has oil we need to be drilling for the security of our nation. Environmentalists donât seem to understand we are dependent on foreign oil from nations who do not like us and our nationâs defense is at stake. The area where drilling would occur is just a dot in this vast land, yet they would gamble the strength of our nation in behalf of their favorite word --"pristine."

At the same time, technology is advancing and we may not need the oil later. But we do need it now.

Henry Lamb of Eco-logic, Restructuring the U.N.,

The world changed on 9-11. No longer can the world tilt at the windmills of a fantasized "global village." No longer can visions of "sustainable development" be justified in a world where "sustainable freedom" is the only possible solution to the economic and power vacuum that foments acts of terrorism.

There is a better way.

Nations can and, ultimately, must learn to live as neighbors, free from the web of "international laws" that dictate which activities are "sustainable" and which are xenophobic and unacceptable. Nation-to-nation relationships, just like neighbor-to-neighbor relationships, should be fashioned voluntarily, driven by mutual benefit. For the first time in a century, the United States may be exploring this possibility.

Henry Lamb is right. We can live as neighbors with other nations but we do not need to live under a "web of international law." There are dedicated citizens in the United States who are wise enough to set our nationâs guidelines without following Agenda 21 and Sustainable Development as set forth by the United Nations. [See DVD: Liberty or Sustainable Development?]

One of the main goals of Agenda 21 is to redistribute the wealth to third world countries and to bring our great nation to its knees in the name of socialism, fascism, communism or some other âism.â Our founding fathers founded this nation on the belief of a Sovereign God and we have been blessed. Do you know the Gods of the nations to which we would become equal

[ktlight]

FYI:

July 30, 2011
The U.S. Department of Transportation in an Agenda 21 style order, has moved to essentially ban a large part of family farms.
For hundreds of years family farms have been passed from generation to generation and it has been a way of life for younger family members to learn and work on their farms.
New rules being prepared in Washington could change that forever.
Apparently discussions are now under way to require farmers to have a commercial drivers license to operate farming equipment. This would require farmers to hire expensive commercial drivers instead of using members of their family.
ABC 25 Waco
The time-honored initiation into working the family farm could one day be a thing of the past, with discussions underway in Washington to require operators of farm equipment to have a commercial driver’s license, or CDL.
Ned Meister’s work in agriculture began similarly at the age of ten. Meeting with News Channel 25 Wednesday at the Texas Farm Bureau, Meister explained the critical role of family on the farm.
“The vast majority of our farms are family farms, operators of equipment are usually family members, and if [those changes] were to take place, that would eliminate some of the family participation in the farm operation.”
*******
Farmers also fear the prospect of replacing family help with expensive professional drivers, something that could end up costing everyone — if it doesn’t break the bank.
“When you consider salaries and benefits and all the other things that go with hiring people that otherwise would have been doing by your family, well it’s just a more expensive proposal,” says Meister.
This is clearly an outright attack on family owned farms and would be a huge benefit to large scale GMO companies such as Monsanto. This is also part of the systematic deindustrialization of America.
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If we continue to let politicians, corporations, and lobbyists control our food supply, the American people will soon have no choice but to eat GMO food from large corporate farms or go hungry.
These plans line up directly with the United Nations Agenda 21 which is now being implemented worldwide.
Our country is under full scale attack by bureaucratic world government type globalists who are openly working to destroy the American way of life in favor of a totalitarian police state.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v4r39US5U7A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v4r39US5U7A

source
http://theintelhub.com/2011/07/30/agenda-21-coming-to-a-farm-near-you-as-federal-government-moves-to-ban-family-farms/ (http://theintelhub.com/2011/07/30/agenda-21-coming-to-a-farm-near-you-as-federal-government-moves-to-ban-family-farms/)

[Lord Sidious]

Google the term ''kulak'' if you want to see how they end up dealing with farmers.

[Snowbird]

I was just researching one topic and found this topic.

I've known about Agenda 21 for some time. This folks, is no joking matter. This is already in the works. What I found the most interesting is the map that is displayed in this short video. It's very colorful.

Agenda 21 for Dummies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzEEgtOFFlM&feature=related

[kathymarie]

What do you expect from George Soros and the UN....frightening stuf to be sure. Thank you for the post....an important piece of information to share.

[GCS1103]

Excellent information Snowbird. The video is a real eye opener.

[Jay]

Hal Shurtleff of the John Birch Society exposes the plan of the Elite to create a New World Order through carefully coordinated agendas of the U.N. disquised as humanitarian and ecological efforts. These plans however, are geared to reduce the total earth population by 80% and bring all nations under an international post-industrial Feudal Military Global Regime.

PruVLppzTac
This is not just in America... BTW

(mods please move if inappropriate place to post)

[realitycorrodes]

Just found a book and a documentary that may shed light on the United Nations

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/un_exposed/un_exposed.htm

http://www.sprword.com/videos/UNdeception/

[jackovesk]

Sheriffs Stand Up Against the Feds & Agenda 21

Overview of Siskiyou County 10/22/11 Sheriff panel and rally

Sheriff's - Tell it 'Like it IS'..!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhcUjyWWr8A

[Lord Sidious]

Sheriffs Stand Up Against the Feds & Agenda 21

Overview of Siskiyou County 10/22/11 Sheriff panel and rally

Sheriff's - Tell it 'Like it IS'..!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhcUjyWWr8A

Thanks a stack for that jackonugget.
Let me put some links here for people.

http://www.sheriffmack.com/
This guy is THE sheriff.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/
A great organisation that we should all not just support but promote.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Stang/alan192.htm

http://www.usiap.org/Viewpoints/Zhold/Speeches/SpeechConstitutionalDutiesOfASheriff.html

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2009/07/08/local-sheriffs-are-last-defense/

[Arrowwind]

Obviously this sheriff is a member of www.oathkeepers.org

Oh I see this is already mentioned.

I am a member, you can be too.

[Maria Stade]

I was looking at the Thrive film and it is well structured beautiful done and all seems realy fine so
I visited their site and looked trough the different projects that they have and to my BIG disappointment I saw that they are founded by agenda 21 in their education program !

Agenda 21 projekts are going on all over the planet so WHAT is it ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzEEgtOFFlM

Here is a old film.... was he right on track or what ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us8Yv4YLz9k&feature=related

Is this the future they plan for all that survive the BIG culling ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8YCLzlpDlw&feature=related

So here is the link to their site
http://www.thrivemovement.com/study
If you klick on the gaian raido link You come to the Gaian university

The founders is 2 and link here http://www.gaiauniversity.org/profile_pages/founders

In the text under Andrew You find this text with links !

Andrew is a strong advocate for participatory learning and decision-making and is skilled in a variety of facilitation methods, including Future Search and Open Space Technology. He is the author of Designing Productive Meetings and Events, a field manual for UN Agenda 21 facilitators, and a recognized teacher of Re-evaluation Counseling, which promotes the discharge of internal distress and resolution of rigid, patterned thinking as primary routes towards the emergence of healthy, intelligent human cultures.


I wonder what they are up to ?
Are they trying to gather persons to do experimental projects before they do the real thing !

What are you thinking about this ?

[jorr lundstrom]

I said it before and I say it again. This is not the solution it promise to be.

We are in an enormous transformation of human consciousness and of course

a lot of organisations are trying to hijack this process. Look here we have the

solutions to humans and the planets problem, you just have to do as we tell you.

You dont have to change, oh no we will take care of you, because you see you

are not able to think for yourself. So let us make the decissions. :flock::flock::flock:

[STATIC]

bummer. I really liked the film..

[Maria Stade]

bummer. I really liked the film..

Yea so did I but there was something in it that was missing I just cant put my finger on it !

Thank you !

[Maria Stade]

I said it before and I say it again. This is not the solution it promise to be.

We are in an enormous transformation of human consciousness and of course

a lot of organisations are trying to hijack this process. Look here we have the

solutions to humans and the planets problem, you just have to do as we tell you.

You dont have to change, oh no we will take care of you, because you see you

are not able to think for yourself. So let us make the decissions. :flock::flock::flock:

I got stressed when I saw the people on all the spiritual forums line up for the saviors ! Puh !

Actually they do not say anything new in that film and they do not give any solutions !

What they like to do is to bind up people with their agenda 21 and at the same time get a crew ( off course after they have gone all the education programs)

I think they like to test their ideas so that they know how they work --- when the time comes !!

And during this building stage they even can make money on this as people are desperate !

[STATIC]

Maria, can you post a link to where you found the agenda 21 reference. I can't find it...
tks

[wolf_rt]

Considering Foster Gambles family are eugenicists im not surprised,

Are we to assume the dis-info is getting more subtle, and well done then?

[Maria Stade]

Maria, can you post a link to where you found the agenda 21 reference. I can't find it...
tks

Yes it is under the co- founder scroll down !

The founders is 2 and link here http://www.gaiauniversity.org/profile_pages/founders

In the text under Andrew You find this text with links !

Andrew is a strong advocate for participatory learning and decision-making and is skilled in a variety of facilitation methods, including Future Search and Open Space Technology. He is the author of Designing Productive Meetings and Events, a field manual for UN Agenda 21 facilitators, and a recognized teacher of Re-evaluation Counseling, which promotes the discharge of internal distress and resolution of rigid, patterned thinking as primary routes towards the emergence of healthy, intelligent human cultures.

[Maria Stade]

Jorr and I was on a meting with people intrested in change making and what to do and as some of you know we are in to build a earthship village !
On the meting that was open to anyone, was a woman stating that she was holding on some LEADER money to this kind of projects.

LEADER is also Agenada 21 money.

So they are realy fishing right now !

The Swedish Leader page states that - THE GREEN WAVE IS CARRYING US INTO AGENDA 21 CENTURY !

Translation tool here : http://translate.google.com/

http://www.leaderplus.se/sv/redirect_frameset.asp?p=118&time=63452

[STATIC]

Sweet bajesus.

I would need a fine tooth comb to have caught that one my own. So what your saying is that the wording for everything on that site is total BS.
And that agenda 21 is really.... Agenda control every aspect of you life,.... again.

I need a little more input though cause I still don't get why they would talk about free energy if the movie really had an alterior motive.

Maybe jorr is right though. Maybe they know that there ship is starting to sink and need to switch tactics to save face.

[Maria Stade]

I was sad to see they use Nassim in the film and that means to me that they have hijacked or try to do so The free energy device once more !
I could see the agenda shine trough so I did go there to find it and hoped to be wrong but I was right and this is a real sad thing !

They know we are many keeping our eyes on the free energy and they are now using that to get to us !

[Maria Stade]

No I dont think all that is BS but WE do not need them to do that !

[jorr lundstrom]

Agenda 21 is just NWO with some sugar on the top. Bon appetit. LOL

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/reptilians1.jpg

[modwiz]

Sweet bajesus.

I would need a fine tooth comb to have caught that one my own. So what your saying is that the wording for everything on that site is total BS.
And that agenda 21 is really.... Agenda control every aspect of you life,.... again.

I need a little more input though cause I still don't get why they would talk about free energy if the movie really had an alterior motive.

Maybe jorr is right though. Maybe they know that there ship is starting to sink and need to switch tactics to save face.

Why would they talk about free energy? How about, talk is cheap. It plays on peoples emotions for a better future also, making them drop their guard and take in the programming. "We are here to help you" "We have answers for you".

Just buy or rent the DVD because this slick production and advertising cost some dollars and the investors are expecting a good return for their money.

[Ricker]

Being creatures of habit, we all fear change that is out of our control. WE all first must agree that at the current rate we are we going, there will be no planet left to enjoy. We all agree that something needs to change. This is where the concept splits off into a vast web of ideas and opinions on "How" we need to make the proper changes to ensure the longevity of this planet. For the last several hundred years human greed and basic human ignorance has created the problem we are faced with today. Now we are all scrambling around trying to undo the damage. I am not saying that I agree with promoters of Agenda 21. However I do understand the concept of what they are trying to achieve and why they feel it needs to be done. Regardless of whose idea is best, the vast majority of the planet is not going to take such a drastic change in lifestyle lightly. Just my 2cents

Ricker

[jorr lundstrom]

Ricker wrote:
Regardless of whose idea is best, the vast majority of the planet is not going to take such a drastic change in lifestyle lightly. Just my 2cents

Agree, I dont think the vast majority even concider a change in lifestyle necessary.

Thats a problem I think is impossible to do anything about. But I think it ultimately

will lead to that we all are gonna get a h##l of a bumpy ride with great casualties

as a result and start it all over from there. So, fasten seatbelts and get prepared.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/komegasmask.gif

[Fred Steeves]

Now we are all scrambling around trying to undo the damage. I am not saying that I agree with promoters of Agenda 21. However I do understand the concept of what they are trying to achieve and why they feel it needs to be done. Regardless of whose idea is best, the vast majority of the planet is not going to take such a drastic change in lifestyle lightly. Just my 2cents


These are the same people who are responsible for ripping down the rain forests, poisoning the land, food and water, and raping and sacrificing our children if they can possibly get their claws into them. This has absolutely nothing to do with the environment or sustainability, and everything to do with control.

It's classic problem, reaction, solution.

[Maria Stade]

Now we are all scrambling around trying to undo the damage. I am not saying that I agree with promoters of Agenda 21. However I do understand the concept of what they are trying to achieve and why they feel it needs to be done. Regardless of whose idea is best, the vast majority of the planet is not going to take such a drastic change in lifestyle lightly. Just my 2cents


These are the same people who are responsible for ripping down the rain forests, poisoning the land, food and water, and raping and sacrificing our children if they can possibly get their claws into them. This has absolutely nothing to do with the environment or sustainability, and everything to do with control.

It's classic problem, reaction, solution.

Yes that is a fact !
If they rely was into protect the planet they would spend all the money on doing free energy device and start to give it to people and they would start lernaing all hove to make fule from algae and stop polluting the planet with chemtrails and gmo foods and roundup and stop cutting down the rain forest for planting genetic modified palmoil trees to make fule to west an so on ... so on

They could make water harvesting sytems an replant drylands !

They do NOT need to concentrate people on small areas (that is part of the problem to right now)

No one need to go their education for learning how to create a food forest or grow in a permacultuer way !
Most info you find for free on the internet !

Plants grow for free ! Food is free ! Water is Free! Sun is Free! Humans are Free ! Life is FREE !

What they try to do is to make another prison system !

[STATIC]

Sweet bajesus.

I would need a fine tooth comb to have caught that one my own. So what your saying is that the wording for everything on that site is total BS.
And that agenda 21 is really.... Agenda control every aspect of you life,.... again.

I need a little more input though cause I still don't get why they would talk about free energy if the movie really had an alterior motive.

Maybe jorr is right though. Maybe they know that there ship is starting to sink and need to switch tactics to save face.

Why would they talk about free energy? How about, talk is cheap. It plays on peoples emotions for a better future also, making them drop their guard and take in the programming. "We are here to help you" "We have answers for you".

Just buy or rent the DVD because this slick production and advertising cost some dollars and the investors are expecting a good return for their money.

Yes, and i got pawned... This movie managed to take a lot of subject matter that I am very excited about, and spin a web of deceit.

I will be more aware of this PROBLEM-REACTION-SOLUTION talk in the future.

I'm still very disappointed to be hearing this, cause it means that the deceit is becoming very fine tuned at this point.

[modwiz]

Sweet bajesus.

I would need a fine tooth comb to have caught that one my own. So what your saying is that the wording for everything on that site is total BS.
And that agenda 21 is really.... Agenda control every aspect of you life,.... again.

I need a little more input though cause I still don't get why they would talk about free energy if the movie really had an alterior motive.

Maybe jorr is right though. Maybe they know that there ship is starting to sink and need to switch tactics to save face.

Why would they talk about free energy? How about, talk is cheap. It plays on peoples emotions for a better future also, making them drop their guard and take in the programming. "We are here to help you" "We have answers for you".

Just buy or rent the DVD because this slick production and advertising cost some dollars and the investors are expecting a good return for their money.

Yes, and i got pawned... This movie managed to take a lot of subject matter that I am very excited about, and spin a web of deceit.

I will be more aware of this PROBLEM-REACTION-SOLUTION talk in the future.

I'm still very disappointed to be hearing this, cause it means that the deceit is becoming very fine tuned at this point.

Let us take it as a compliment that they are having to up their game and spend investor money to do it. I hope it is like a big wet fart in their face.
We will make this world a better place and we will do it without those who have been running the scam for centuries now. They didn't count on us having each others backs. In their dog eat dog "survival of the fittest" Darwinian mindset, you are on your own and have to watch your back.

We are beginning to look out for each other, which is why this effort is failing fast in the alternative circles.

[Fred Steeves]

I hope it is like a big wet fart in their face.



Now THERE'S a visual. Paul, can we get an icon for that?:thumb:

[STATIC]

Thanks for that modwiz.

I think your right. They must be getting to the end of there rope when they are resorting to this sort of thing.

[ThePythonicCow]

I hope it is like a big wet fart in their face.



Now THERE'S a visual. Paul, can we get an icon for that?:thumb:

I'll leave that up to you guys - you can post whatever images you like, within reasonable limits.

This particular request (1) sounds a bit specialized, and (2) might require more detail in the image than the usual emoticon provides.

(But too much detail, and it risks exceeding "reasonable limits :).)

[dAkapacity]

Howdy,

In 1 way I liked the film a lot. It talked about free energy, the UFO question, the money deception, etc... and all those topics were presented in a very down to earth, almost simple fashion. At times it even took my emotions on a ride from despair & hope (Hollywood qualities) to a cathartic cry with a quiet all knowing smile at the end (nah, Hollywood can't do that last part ;-)

But there were things which created giant ?-marks on the top of my head as well:
* The film was so polished and overproduced (all participants' pimples and wrinkles seemed Photoshopped away) ~ as if they were living in an idealized (A21)-world already... My question: who payed for this and to what other purpose?
* The taurus frequently brought up the image of an imprisoned world, much like the logos of UNICEF, WHO, etc... I remember a video of our planet locked up in an energy field which didn't follow the natural flow of the universe. It just passed my mind, no convinctions here.
* In the beginning of the movie much attention was given to free energy, but towards the end it seemed that only the current 'alternative' energy methods were being depicted.
* It didn't bring much solutions, although talking about these things seems like a good idea. And I guess we will/can eventually bring our individual (hopefully non conflicting) solutions once we reconnect to source, insj'allah.

Just a thought of the moment: If free energy has been suppressed for ages and a growing number of people are getting aware of it, wouldn't this film be one of the many imprints meant for us to switch over to this new awareness without 'those that think they're in power' losing their 'power'? Hey, now we can blame big pharma, the banks, the suppressing energy industries & be grateful for alien intelligence which wants to help us (I sometimes think as both sides as created entities outside ourselves, manifestations of our inner selves... the good, the bad). We are shown the truth. And those who show us the truth show can now show us another show, another agenda to follow, maybe an agenda followed by a number... The image of David Icke's media show covering up what's happening behind the curtains comes to mind. Point is that we are kept busy by the showmasters once again with stories outside ourselves which nibbles on our individual and collective divine power to create a beautiful reality / to manifest the facet of the diamond that reflects a beautiful world.

Kudos,
xxdA.

[jackovesk]

UN (Agenda 21) A Global to Local 'Action Plan' (For Official Eyes Only)..!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I&feature=youtu.be

[jorr lundstrom]

If you dont have the same feeling towards this movie as you have after seen the worst

horror movie, you simply havent understood the consequenses of this. This is rolling

like a snowball downhills.

[jorr lundstrom]

Well, you just gotta pour some sugar on top of it to make this one reeeealy tasty.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq7cWyRLYD0&feature=related

[Ernie Nemeth]

I think Wade Frasier has his finger on this one. The problem with the future as depicted in Agenda 21 is that it is based on the scarcity paradigm. That is why the cities are so densely packed, to reduce consumption of energy.

I believe the agenda is to head us on a path to the future based on the current understandings of science. That way, old power structures will remain in place. No one will question the need for the consolidation of power and the regimenting of our lives based on today's technologies. And once power is firmly, unequivocably, in their grasp maybe they will allow a bit of the advanced technologies to trickle into our lives. But by then it will be too late to do much about it.

Free, clean, virtually limitless energy is already fact. But it's on a priority, need to know hush list - and the public don't need to know. The basis for the existence of the energetic vacuum was born with modern physics. It is not an aberation or some newly discovered fundamental force. It is merely the unfolding of what up until now had been assumed to be simply a universal constant. There are many areas in the sciences today that reveal aspects of this phenomenon, if indeed it is singular. Some believe that a careful study into the deeper ramifications of this over-looked part of science could open up an entirely new branch of physics in the future.

The future will not look anything like those depicted by the Venus Project or in Agenda 21. It is appealing from our present point of view, given circumstances as they are today. But the beauty of this new technology is that it is small and cheap and the power derived from it is almost limitless. One device is all anybody will ever need. And it will be able to meet all their energy demands. Why live crowded together in such a scenario? Who could make you?

Free energy would change society entirely, and very quickly. No one can predict what the outcome would be.

If we were to get rid of the 1% that rules our world, don't you think the ones that take the reins will be corrupted or at the very least unduly influenced by personal connections?
The 99% must rule, together!
But first we must unite.
I guess from that perspective, Thrive serves a purpose. I do not see anybody disagreeing in principle with the facts presented.
They did a good job of listing the tenets of a prospectus we can all agree on.

[Maria Stade]

Yes the old must die and the elite must be removed if we are going to create a new world !
And In my opinion it is bad for the soul and spirit to put large groups of people in a small place/area !
People need to connect with nature and all that is in it, and understand it !

We can exist here without harming the planet but all need to be done in different ways !

And we need NOT go back to the middle age I have seen some magnetic motors and I know there is many inventions out there all ready !
Engines that runs on water and so on !

The top must go the sooner the better for us all !

There agenda will fail because the archontic world they like to make for us is not a healthy one !

I have seen Frescos citys to They are scary even though there are many good ideas in them to !

We are a part of nature and will always be !

I look forward to that day when people have there own energy system and that makes it even possible to grow food in the winter in cold parts
Most can be produced lokaly when it comes to food ! We can grow fish and clean with plants and use rainwater and clean it for use !

The problem now is HOW MUCH IS WE GOING TO POLLUTE THE PLANET that feeds us before people say NO and refuse to help the current system
By their action !

It is simple........ No healthy planet = No healthy Life

Most are poisoned and dont even know it !

[buckminster fuller]

Agenda 21 was apparently created following the Rio summit. Can't tell you by who exactly yet, still looking into that. What I did learn is that it is meant to promote local actions in the line of sustainable development, and motivate collaborations. Goal is to find local, practical solutions in terms of energy saving and CO2 management.

No dirty hidden plans here. They (the tptb) would like us to think that they have a upper hand on everything, and the paranoïa has taken good. We should be cautious in our judgments, or we might miss a few opportunities to make a difference, even play against ourselves.

[Maria Stade]

Agenda 21 was apparently created following the Rio summit. Can't tell you by who exactly yet, still looking into that. What I did learn is that it is meant to promote local actions in the line of sustainable development, and motivate collaborations. Goal is to find local, practical solutions in terms of energy saving and CO2 management.

No dirty hidden plans here. They (the tptb) would like us to think that they have a upper hand on everything, and the paranoïa has taken good. We should be cautious in our judgments, or we might miss a few opportunities to make a difference, even play against ourselves.

Yes please tell me by Who this was made !

No it is in plain site All can see it.

So you are right it is NOT hidden !

[buckminster fuller]

http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/

It's a UN initiative so it seems.

[Laurel]

Why would they talk about free energy? How about, talk is cheap. It plays on peoples emotions for a better future also, making them drop their guard and take in the programming. "We are here to help you" "We have answers for you".

Where's John Galt when you need him?

[Maria Stade]

Here is some more by Jackovesk :

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35043-Predictive-Programming-and-the-Human-Microchipping-Agenda--2011-

And here :

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34927-UN--Agenda-21--A-Global-to-Local-Action-Plan--For-Official-Eyes-Only-..-

[buckminster fuller]

Here is some more by Jackovesk :

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35043-Predictive-Programming-and-the-Human-Microchipping-Agenda--2011-

And here :

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34927-UN--Agenda-21--A-Global-to-Local-Action-Plan--For-Official-Eyes-Only-..-

doesn't refer to agenda 21 but to the Human Microchipping Agenda.

[Maria Stade]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oygBg6ETYIM&feature=related

Behind Agenda 21 is ICLEI

And they are supported by :

http://www.iclei.org/index.php?id=779

[Maria Stade]

Here is some reading for thous that are digging !

Maybe the writer say something intressting !
( I havent read them my self but they seems intressting )

http://www.stewardsofthesierranationalforest.org/pdf/Sustainable_Development_guide_for_public_officials.pdf

http://www.theverichip.com/Verichipebook2.pdf

[Maria Stade]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=41ikDa78m8k

Chipped or food stamps ?

[Maria Stade]

The best advice in the film was Follow the money and you find out WHO is behind !
I did just that and to me it is NWO !

They are manipulators ..... for all people wanting to save the world ..... dont fall in to their hands !

Se first who it is that is going to back up, and from where the money comes ..... the agenda can be different from the one that you support to create !

[Revlin John]

I believe the agenda is to head us on a path to the future based on the current understandings of science. That way, old power structures will remain in place. No one will question the need for the consolidation of power and the regimenting of our lives based on today's technologies. And once power is firmly, unequivocably, in their grasp maybe they will allow a bit of the advanced technologies to trickle into our lives. But by then it will be too late to do much about it.
...

Right on, Ernie.

I think that stage of the game happened in the last century, in the aftermath of WW2.
Soldiers came home (in the U.S.) to a hyper-industrialized society whose technocratic masters had already prepared robot/slave working orders.
Of course no one thought of themselves as a slave thanks to the "trickle-down" affluence afforded by the process of accumulating more and more cheap tech.
Unfortunately the real technology was creeping in, automating repetitive jobs that had once been performed by human beings.
It reached the level in the 70s and 80s that if an actual slave, with slave quality-of-life and life expectancy wasn't doing the work, then it was cheaper to "invest" in the automation. For those managers who could not afford the investment, Asia and Central America would happily provide real slaves.
It took all of those developments for consumers in the U.S. to begin to get the big picture: You are being replaced. The technocracy (NWO to most Avaloners) no longer needs your services and will therefore be shutting down its baby-sitting operations.

For a midway historical perspective and commentary on this trend, please see "The Making of a Counter-Culture" by Theodore Roszak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Making_of_a_Counter_Culture)

We need a new base for "production" of "goods". The managers, the 1%, are not going to give up control of the technology, the information or the globally distributed factory floors. NOR SHOULD WE WANT THEM TO. Such resources are only usable in a technocratic (NWO) state where all ethical concerns are subordinate to the chief concern of power and control.
Even if the 99% took over the iphone factories in China and removed the consumer tracking firmware, are we willing to continue shipping around the world with giant diesel cargo shops which are, at the present time, the No1 source of air (and sea) pollution on the planet?

We have to start fresh. Not from ground zero, but FRESH.
Before action, we need new VISIONS.
Thrive, Zeitgeist (via Venus Project), and other such fair are presenting Visions of a world to be created. I agree that these presentations have been limited, fear-based, and ultimately impotent. So...

Let's build a better one.

Who wants to start?

[58andfixed]

I'm willing to read ideas.

Mine seem to far out to grasp.

- 58



Let's build a better one.

Who wants to start?

[Tony]

Agenda 21 a deliberate dumbing down.
This is the real enemy!!!
It is not all light and love: we have to be more alert not less!

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[Tony]

Agenda 21 and changing DNA.

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[Tony]

He's telling how they have distracted people from what is going on......!

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[Maia Gabrial]

Obama is "too stupid" to realize he's wrong.....

[CeltMan]

Hi Tony

Very interesting information.

You usually get a more active response than this is generating so far.

I wonder if the info you have posted is percieved as both shocking and fear mongering?

I for one do not think the latter.

Having watched that vid, I have, reluctantly to concur with the information given.

Hard to digest, yes, ... need to know, most definitely YES! (IMHO)

The next question that is begged, is what can we do about it?

We need to access//use at least some of those services.

Personnaly I do not use a mobile phone, no need. Some think me mad when I say I do not own one.

As for 'Facebook/Twitter', etc, I saw through that 'ego ploy' ages ago, and never surcumed.

But, I do have a Google account, also use it as a search engine, and use Microsoft.
So I suppose I am bu**ered?!

I do have a 'secret power' though, I do//can affect electronic instruments by some 'freaky ability'.

Wrist watches go dead on me within an hour.

Now.....I wonder if I can learn to control that ability, and 'zap in right back at them'?!.............Hmmmmmmmm

Seriously though, what do you propose as a way of taking afirmitive action? (It does not appeal to me, to go live in the jungle with the natives)

[Tony]

Hi Tony

Very interesting information.

You usually get a more active response than this is generating so far.

I wonder if the info you have posted is percieved as both shocking and fear mongering?

I for one do not think the latter.

Having watched that vid, I have, reluctantly to concur with the information given.

Hard to digest, yes, ... need to know, most definitely YES! (IMHO)

The next question that is begged, is what can we do about it?

We need to access//use at least some of those services.

Personnaly I do not use a mobile phone, no need. Some think me mad when I say I do not own one.

As for 'Facebook/Twitter', etc, I saw through that 'ego ply' ages ago, and never surcumed.

But, I do have a Google account, also use it as a search engine, and use Microsoft.
So I suppose I am bu**ered?!

I do have a 'secret power' though, I do//can affect electronic instruments by some 'freaky ability'.

Wrist watches go dead on me within an hour.

Now.....I wonder if I can learn to control that ability, and 'sap in right back at them'?!.............Hmmmmmmmm

Seriously though, what do you propose as a way of taking afirmitive action? (It does not appeal to me, to go live in the jungle with the natives)


Hello Celtman,
Well, one way is to change our focus, and then listen to our own conscience and inner tutor.

One of the problems with talking about illusions, is discussing something that never existed in the first place!
It's like talking about a barrens woman's son.

Everything in the universe is being discussed,
but every thing in the universe has no true existence, being of a temporary nature.

It's like a pot of water, it is pure water. We are that pure water.
There is mud in the water = our clinging to a solid self, and defilements (negative emotions).
This mud never existed in the first place, but we do not see that.
Our job is not to remove the mud, as that would imply the mud actually existing.
Our job is to merely be the pure water.

External forces come along and constantly stir the pot, to keep the pure water cloudy.

All we have to do is to stop complying, meaning accepting or rejecting.
Accepting and rejecting is merely hope and fear, it keeps the game going!


All the best,
Tony

ps. You seem to have some interesting frequencies in your body!

[CeltMan]

Hi Tony

I was also perhaps referring to 'what we as a species' can do to affect a positive change?

I understand that, 'if we percieve that it is all an illusion anyway, we will be able to rise above it all', but in simple terms , what can be done to stop the affects upon people as a whole?

As you know, from at least 9 years of my background, I have some grasp of the concept.

To me in simple terms it is 'Being in the Present Moment'

Lets face it, animals are ITPM, they do not sit and ponder the meaning of life, and it suits them fine. (OR at least I do not think they do?!..Lol)

Probs with humans is that we have this 'thinking brain/intelligence',..and look where that has got us.

I also can grasp the concept of 'Manifesting Intent'

On a more practical note,(vs vs the second tape//'electrical wiring in homes/buildings, and how it can affect us in a detrimental manner') there is//was an instrument, (darned if I can remember what it is called) which one can plug into the mains circuit in home, & it 'apparently neutralises the negative affects'

I bought one (20) years ago, the light went out after a few days, and as I could not get into it to inspect, I assumed it was defunct?!

#' My strange energy patterns'?.........Hmmm that is a different (and-for me at least, intriging complex)-subject,- wouldn't want to derail your thread old son!..lol

P.S. Ref to my 'acronym' at footer, (F.E.A.R.) it is what I firmy believe in, watch out for, and try to live by.

[truth4me]

Great videos Tony,very interesting without a doubt......

[Deega]

Thanks Tony, great Tread and video.

I hope that this Agenda 21 (as it stands in the video) don’t get a solid grip on World Affairs (not the business type, the people type), otherwise, we are heading to a much different world. Since people are caught up raising family, get themselves indebt, work all their life without being aware of what is going on in the World, how can they be made aware of what up for their grandchildren…!, and how may they counteract on this dangerous initiative by the United Nations.

I thought that Agenda 21 was part of the Sustainable Development Movement. Within that general initiative, there was one part where NATURAL RESOURCES were used such that practically no much waste came out of the production lines, that Earth, Water, Air, Humans were used with dignity and respect. Hmm!, if Agenda 21 is, what in the video, that is not the objective, it’s dangerous, and we don’t have much leverage to counter, don’t we?

Sad story to unfold.

All the best to you Tony.

Deega

[CeltMan]

Tony

Just to say, that a 'chain of thought' about 'illusions' awakened old memories!

About the two books by Richard Bach: 'Jonathan Livingston Seagul', & 'Illusions'

I will have to search in my book collection, but I will dig it out & re-read-after 30 years! (1982--where has the time gone?!)

I know that I have a copy of 'Illusions' somewhere...............or,...do I?!..or is it just an illusion?!..lol

I seem to recall, in the hard copy of 'JLS' that there was a strange illusion that I percieved when looking at the illustrations.

On each page, one can see the image of next, then a vauge image of next.
When turning page, similar, but 'moved forward'

I recall disscusing this with a few peeps, they had not noticed it. Prob intentional, 'like life'?!....lol (we get one glimpse of the gig saw, then another etc)

So thanks for the nudge!!

[Maria Stade]

Rosa Koire: U.N. Agenda 21.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JPX_H5qxfKw

[Cartomancer]

Agenda 21 is real and is happening now. Agenda 21 is also the rationale for codex alimentarius which is designed to make nutrients and vitamins controlled substances. They are trying to stop the Amish from trading milk and cheese between them. Agenda 21 is going to lead to a distopic "Soylent Green" kind of existence. If you have never seen this movie you need to check it out.

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[Maria Stade]

I believe the agenda is to head us on a path to the future based on the current understandings of science. That way, old power structures will remain in place. No one will question the need for the consolidation of power and the regimenting of our lives based on today's technologies. And once power is firmly, unequivocably, in their grasp maybe they will allow a bit of the advanced technologies to trickle into our lives. But by then it will be too late to do much about it.
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Right on, Ernie.

I think that stage of the game happened in the last century, in the aftermath of WW2.
Soldiers came home (in the U.S.) to a hyper-industrialized society whose technocratic masters had already prepared robot/slave working orders.
Of course no one thought of themselves as a slave thanks to the "trickle-down" affluence afforded by the process of accumulating more and more cheap tech.
Unfortunately the real technology was creeping in, automating repetitive jobs that had once been performed by human beings.
It reached the level in the 70s and 80s that if an actual slave, with slave quality-of-life and life expectancy wasn't doing the work, then it was cheaper to "invest" in the automation. For those managers who could not afford the investment, Asia and Central America would happily provide real slaves.
It took all of those developments for consumers in the U.S. to begin to get the big picture: You are being replaced. The technocracy (NWO to most Avaloners) no longer needs your services and will therefore be shutting down its baby-sitting operations.

For a midway historical perspective and commentary on this trend, please see "The Making of a Counter-Culture" by Theodore Roszak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Making_of_a_Counter_Culture)

We need a new base for "production" of "goods". The managers, the 1%, are not going to give up control of the technology, the information or the globally distributed factory floors. NOR SHOULD WE WANT THEM TO. Such resources are only usable in a technocratic (NWO) state where all ethical concerns are subordinate to the chief concern of power and control.
Even if the 99% took over the iphone factories in China and removed the consumer tracking firmware, are we willing to continue shipping around the world with giant diesel cargo shops which are, at the present time, the No1 source of air (and sea) pollution on the planet?

We have to start fresh. Not from ground zero, but FRESH.
Before action, we need new VISIONS.
Thrive, Zeitgeist (via Venus Project), and other such fair are presenting Visions of a world to be created. I agree that these presentations have been limited, fear-based, and ultimately impotent. So...

Let's build a better one.

Who wants to start?

Great writing yes people need to start doing it for them selves and help oneanother !

The sayning think global and act lokal is well put.
People need to come together and work together and on gras root level.

Today we have a situation with some people having a lots of land and they just cant cope with it all and THE PROFIT is not comming in and they then try to sell the land and the thing is THERE IS NO ONE TO BYE because all are in the same situation.
If they start to share the land or why not invite others to create self sustainable systems and work on it together it might work fine.

I am wraping my mind arround lokal exchange systems and was very inspired by this film the other week.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtcGTIsR964&feature=related


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3mxCxA-t3s&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtV2Ut9g54k&feature=related

We are facing many changes and how are we going to cope with it.
If we do not take our life in our hands and the response and do what we need to do, then we will be in the mercy of those that have planed all for us.

I have done what I can do to make little inpact on the planet !

I am ready to share and give my point of seeing at things.
I have knowledge to share about how to grow your own food and I hope that someone will give some land to us so we can create a eco willage and it will be a center to learn how to be self sustanable with food water recykling grow food, save seeds and so on.

My idea is that it would not cost money and if one works as you learn you will also earn credits (lokal money) that can be used to buy products from the system.

If I could I would have started yester day !

I just like to ad I do not belive that the global warming is what they say it is ... its a scam to make money on it.

But we need to change, and the change is YOU.

I did a test for fun the other day and I think all should do it makes you think....

What is your foot print ?

http://www.myfootprint.org/

[Arrowwind]

[ and a recognized teacher of Re-evaluation Counseling, which promotes the discharge of internal distress and resolution of rigid, patterned thinking as primary routes towards the emergence of healthy, intelligent human cultures.

This is the part that disturbs me
this is a man who has dedicated his life to mind control
and reprogramming

this is a man who thinks he is better than you
and has the right to interfere with your destiny
and that of your children

Agenda 21 has big plans for changing our society
though reprograming and new laws

What agenda 21 really is
is a new religion
the church of Gia
all is done for Gia

And religions have the stench of
politicians
all those bishops in the catholic church
all those priests
they are really politicians

because real spiritual people
cant be bothered with all that crap
all the politics
all the power plays
all the repression and mind control
the implementation of fear
based on lies

so the new church of Gia
called Agenda 21 is all about politics
and we also know that politics is about money
making money for the politicians
off the backs and ignorance of the masses

Their plan is to save us from ourselves
as they get rich
as they take away water rights
and control of land

as they move rural people off into cities
into designated areas for humans

they have a plan to create wildlife reufuges
in strips arcoss the continents
from north to south
all those people will have to go
their land, their worth, their dream
their inheritance, their purpose
to be taken and given as sacrifice to the new church

the Church of Gia -- Agenda 21

No spiritual person would stand for it
no spiriutal person would support
mass indoctrination in schools in churchs in the press

No spiritual person can do this

to brainwash, to legislate the loss of freedom
to brainwash children
no spiritual person would do it.

So these people of Agenda are not true spiritual people
they are fakes,
they say it is for our earth
they say is is for sustainability
they say it will be good for us

but just think of what they will have to do
to implement it

they are fascist in the making
right before your very eyes
here they come

I know they have an eye on my land
on my home
I live above one of the largest natural water systems on the continent
they will want me gone.
they will not want my children to inherit my land
they have plans for a nice condo on the coast for us.
as my land above this aquafur is deemed sacred space
and i am not worthy of sacred space
I could not possibly be a caretaker
and I know nothing of sacred space with water
for I have not submitted to the brainwashing
So they will want to move me and thousands
upon thousands of others
and not just here in the USA
but all around the planet they have this plan
there is a plan for you too.

And you know,
those who are not brainwashed
will not want to go
what to do then?
wait it out till we all die?
wait it out and hope
that they can brainwash our children?

Like smallpox was to native americans
start thinking outside the box
think Germs, Guns, and steel
think morgellons, lyme, micoplasma
think cancer

Perhaps this is karma coming at us all
for what the westernizwd mind
and westernized power
has done to native peoples

perhaps this is the debt that we must pay?

I think not.
This is not evolution
this is just more de-evolution
into false belief systems
and mind control
mind control that I have struggled my whole life against
mind control that I have taught my children to resist

This will necessitate the destruction of our constitution
what little there is left of it.
our constitution will become a dead historical document
our nation will be gone
and it will be a one world government
dictated by those who are expert brainwashers
by those who have guns and military power once again
in the NATO and United Nations forces.

Plan your treason early and plan it well.

Ron Paul where are you?

[Maria Stade]

Thank you Arrowwind !
They do not know the word secret and has transformed the laguage of spiritual people to suite their purpose the are not spiritual even that is a scam.
The false teatchers and gurus and saviors have many faces.

And yes they have created a situation so they can get their dirty hands on land and water is with no dought the next big money thing.

People must work together and stand their ground.
They are pirates and rob who ever they can, psychopats as they are, and for a long time they have been mind controlled to do this, as a part of the bigger plan.

Do not take their "help" do not work with them, they are not needed in any way.

[EnergyGardener]

Steps for depopulation to Agenda 21?

1. WWIII for starters.
2. Chemtrailing, but with very strong biological agents, and it appears:
3. Guillotines (with FEMA coffins that are being stacked in plain sight)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwes6igezPA&feature=related

[Maria Stade]

Steps for depopulation to Agenda 21?

1. WWIII for starters.
2. Chemtrailing, but with very strong biological agents, and it appears:
3. Guillotines (with FEMA coffins that are being stacked in plain sight)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwes6igezPA&feature=related

I have seen the coffins but I must say Guillotines seem to be a slow way to kill people and a lot of work LOL they can only be effective if they like to scare others with them.

It would be easyer to just put poison in cocacola or in other canned drinks !

Sorry I dont think guilliotines will be the mass killing equipment !

[Maria Stade]

Agenda 21 is real and is happening now. Agenda 21 is also the rationale for codex alimentarius which is designed to make nutrients and vitamins controlled substances. They are trying to stop the Amish from trading milk and cheese between them. Agenda 21 is going to lead to a distopic "Soylent Green" kind of existence. If you have never seen this movie you need to check it out.

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Thank you I have seen the film now it was a horrible future vision.
And yes agenda 21 is in a way a bit like that but what I can se is that chosen people will bread, and all will be chipped at birth and controlled by the chip.
Most people will have no sex drive and will not mate and te chip will stimulate emotional reactions and so on.
And then they will have the controll that they are crawing to create.

The Amish people is and will be a important suorce of knowledge in basic living and growing and so on.
They have a lot to learn the world.

[Cartomancer]

Agenda 21 is real and is happening now. Agenda 21 is also the rationale for codex alimentarius which is designed to make nutrients and vitamins controlled substances. They are trying to stop the Amish from trading milk and cheese between them. Agenda 21 is going to lead to a distopic "Soylent Green" kind of existence. If you have never seen this movie you need to check it out.

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Thank you I have seen the film now it was a horrible future vision.
And yes agenda 21 is in a way a bit like that but what I can se is that chosen people will bread, and all will be chipped at birth and controlled by the chip.
Most people will have no sex drive and will not mate and te chip will stimulate emotional reactions and so on.
And then they will have the controll that they are crawing to create.

The Amish people is and will be a important suorce of knowledge in basic living and growing and so on.
They have a lot to learn the world.

Your movie of the future would be "Logans Run." Another futuristic Sci-fi from the seventies. Everyone gets sacrificed at 30 when the chip in their hand starts blinking red.

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[Arrowwind]

and on the other hand, if we do not as individuals, as communities and as states endeavor towards sustainability and make strides forward, they will use our lack of movement as justification for imposition of Agenda 21

[EnergyGardener]

Steps for depopulation to Agenda 21?

1. WWIII for starters.
2. Chemtrailing, but with very strong biological agents, and it appears:
3. Guillotines (with FEMA coffins that are being stacked in plain sight)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwes6igezPA&feature=related

I have seen the coffins but I must say Guillotines seem to be a slow way to kill people and a lot of work LOL they can only be effective if they like to scare others with them.

It would be easyer to just put poison in cocacola or in other canned drinks !

Sorry I dont think guilliotines will be the mass killing equipment !

I am not sure why you are sorry; it certainly wasn't my idea.

If I have anything to do with it, nothing will be the mass killing equipment.

[buckminster fuller]

agenda 21 is just this : getting people, locally, to organize THEMSELVES toward sustainable development.. I see people like to fantasize.. no need really.. As good as it sounds, agenda 21 has nothing to do with depopulation... get your facts straight instead of deliberately insinuating fear and evil where there is no need... This is highly disruptive and serves no purpose at all... except your imagination.

[Arrowwind]

The problem with agenda 21 is that it is a plan made by elite for others. Like the FDA, the USDA and the CDC, local jurisdiction is lost as the rules and laws are created for its implementation on people who have had no hand in creating it.... and look at the WTO while your at it. Beware. it is part of the formula for a one world government, which has been the intent of the the United Nations since its inception. They like to decide who will live and die. Just look to Rowanda. They turned their backs on those people during this planned genocide. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/714025.stm

[buckminster fuller]

Well, the way agenda 21 is being implemented today doesn't reflect that at all. In my area I see many local initiatives that are in accordance with it and that do benefit people locally. There has been no legislation formulated from foreign institution that are being implemented. It is local actions, that go in the way of sustainable development, nothing less, nothing more.

What happened in Rwanda has nothing to do with agenda 21.

[Maria Stade]

Steps for depopulation to Agenda 21?

1. WWIII for starters.
2. Chemtrailing, but with very strong biological agents, and it appears:
3. Guillotines (with FEMA coffins that are being stacked in plain sight)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwes6igezPA&feature=related

I have seen the coffins but I must say Guillotines seem to be a slow way to kill people and a lot of work LOL they can only be effective if they like to scare others with them.

It would be easyer to just put poison in cocacola or in other canned drinks !

Sorry I dont think guilliotines will be the mass killing equipment !

I am not sure why you are sorry; it certainly wasn't my idea.

If I have anything to do with it, nothing will be the mass killing equipment.

No not your idea and compared with other modern metods it would be slow and horrific.
Mass killing equipments are already in use but they are LEGAL some in wars and other are more hidden and kills slowly by the sickness they cause.
I also wish that all that would stop once and forever.

There are other ways to keep population down, education is one way.

[ktlight]

"Charlotte Iserbyt is the consummate whistleblower! Iserbyt served as Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI), U.S. Department of Education, during the first Reagan Administration, where she first blew the whistle on a major technology initiative which would control curriculum in America’s classrooms.

Iserbyt is a former school board director in Camden, Maine and was co-founder and research analyst of Guardians of Education for Maine (GEM) from 1978 to 2000. She has also served in the American Red Cross on Guam and Japan during the Korean War, and in the United States Foreign Service in Belgium and in the Republic of South Africa.

Iserbyt is a speaker and writer, best known for her 1985 booklet Back to Basics Reform or OBE: Skinnerian International Curriculum and her 1989 pamphlet Soviets in the Classroom: America’s Latest Education Fad which covered the details of the U.S.-Soviet and Carnegie-Soviet Education Agreements which remain in effect to this day. She is a freelance writer and has had articles published in Human Events, The Washington Times, The Bangor Daily News, and included in the record of Congressional hearings."

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[Referee]

Here is a bit more................

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[Maria Stade]

The transition movement is also a scam
Here is some reading for those that realy like to know what is going on.

Klick on the image to the left !

http://www.solution.gfc.uk.net/

Download and spread.

[Referee]

From the New America Tennessee slams down Agenda 21 legislation.


Even as the United Nations prepares to massively expand its “sustainable development” agenda at the upcoming sustainability summit in Rio de Janeiro, lawmakers in Tennessee approved a joint resolution blasting the global body’s controversial Agenda 21 — adopted at the 1992 Earth Summit — as an “insidious” socialist plot. All across America, opposition to the UN schemes is building quickly


Read more at:

http://thenewamerican.com/tech-mainmenu-30/environment/11637-tennessee-passes-resolution-slamming-socialist-un-agenda-21

[wynderer]

now this is some really good news -- as i recall, it was in a Tennessee town some yrs ago that the citizens went into the corrupt mayor's & police chief's offices & threw them out at gunpoint


From the New America Tennessee slams down Agenda 21 legislation.


Even as the United Nations prepares to massively expand its “sustainable development” agenda at the upcoming sustainability summit in Rio de Janeiro, lawmakers in Tennessee approved a joint resolution blasting the global body’s controversial Agenda 21 — adopted at the 1992 Earth Summit — as an “insidious” socialist plot. All across America, opposition to the UN schemes is building quickly


Read more at:

http://thenewamerican.com/tech-mainmenu-30/environment/11637-tennessee-passes-resolution-slamming-socialist-un-agenda-21

[Maia Gabrial]

Thank God, some of the states are coming to their senses!

[panopticon]

I really appreciated your research Maria.
One of the reasons I am a member here is because of the members who look behind the curtain and see who the puppeteers are.
Research and evidence beats flowery words, innuendo and fabrication every time.
Please consider this a bump as I missed it when it was first posted and view it of interest. :bump:
Kind Regards and Respect, :yo:
Panopticon

[jorr lundstrom]

Pan, here is a link to The green energy scam, if you missed that too.LOL

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43263-The-GREEN-energy-scam--


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[wynderer]

hmmmm.... a friend told me about 'Thrive' a couple of weeks ago -- this is just a purely subjective reaction, i know -- but the instant i heard the word 'Thrive' from him, my hackles went up --

i always try to trace the source of any such reactions in myself -- the best i can do w/this one is that i have heard the word 'thrive' during one or more of my abductions, & i did not like the way it was being used/its context

[sdv]

Many countries and people outside of the USA and partners of USA support Agenda 21 for the following reasons:

We want clean water and don't want industry (and even people in informal settlements) dumping pollution into our waterways.
We want clean air and don't want industry, cars, fires from informal settlements, and so on filling our air with pollution. We want to breathe fresh clean air and see the stars.
We want healthy soil in which to grow our food, so we don't want industry and agriculture polluting the earth.
We want to live without garbage and seeping sewage in our streets, and ever-growing mountains of waste dumps filling our landscape.
And so on.

As you can see, poverty and environmental degradation are linked, but so are corporate greed (the wealthiest nation on Earth creates the most pollution and defends its right to do so).

Each to his own, but unfortunately some kinds of pollution do have global effects (e.g. contanimation of imported food) and so global dialogue and agreements must continue. I would love to say that if the USA and Europe want to continue polluting their countries with impunity then they are free to live with their garbage, but these very same countries have huge military power and have shown that they will reduce to dust any other country that is against their national interests (which includes polluting other countries - Bill Ryan tried to highlight this here on Project Avalon). We do not have the military power to protect ourselves so we try to engage in global organisations and agreements and try to talk for Mother Earth and a clean environment for ourselves and our children. Global organisations and agreements are our only protection, albeit very flimsy protection.

Another reason why we support these organisations and treaties is because they provide a forum for dialogue and sharing; e.g. my country often finds inspiration from South American countries in fiinding new and novel ways to deal with poverty and the environment.

[wynderer]

i like the so-called 'grass roots ' gatherings myself -- the ones that the massmedia seldom reports

there are many many people working together in little groups doing things like Wade Frazier is doing all over the Planet -- i assume a lot of them will make the Shift

what the big guys at the head of the pyramidical & hierarchical power structure are doing -- their various little highly-publicized get-togethers -- i'm not really interested in that -- all dog & pony shows as far as i'm concerned

your planet is being nuked....

[Maia Gabrial]

I practically jumped out of my chair with excitement when I saw this on Red Ice Creations! Finally, people are starting to challenge that corrupted organization known as the United Nations. I'd love to see them shove Agenda 21 up their a**es! :whoo:

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=20302

[Cartomancer]

That is great news. The people down there in Alabama are paying attention! Hooray!! Now we can sit and watch what they try to do to stop them from enforcing this. Here they always get local government to pass laws that are clones of agenda 21. They are bypassing state and federal govt and going to local city councils and county supervisors. They do it this way because they know the average person would not like the UN. Not liking the UN is an American tradition that goes all the way back to when they started that org.

[Mulder]

I'm sure it will somehow be blocked/trumped by the Govt, but some victories now are good to see.

[Maia Gabrial]

IMO each member of the UN needs to go back to their own countries and improve life there FIRST before sticking their noses up American a**es and into American business. They're misguided into believing that they have the right to tell us what we can or can't do in OUR country! Most of them come from 3rd world countries anyway and could use big time improvements. When they've raised them to higher standards of living, then MAYBE they'd be qualified to SUGGEST things to US! And ONLY suggest things....

Maybe they need to back off now. Americans don't like having them headquartered here in this country, footing the bill for their lap of luxury.
I'm tired of paying for them and their families to live high on the hog while my family and I have to struggle to live. Americans don't like having them on their soil for good reasons....

The best place to put the UN headquarters is on a small, remote island because I think that most countries would reject the UN presence....

[ghostrider]

Woe maria ! that post rocks. I couldn't agree more, take their butts back to their homes and overlook their own countries/cites. They need to get some business, and stop minding everyone elses . the most useless organization, the U.N. why have have a dang mayor, governer, senator, congressman, president, generals, ambassadors, it's just another group of maniac millionaires trying to control other maniac millionaires, on the citizens dime . they have it easy while we struggle to keep the lights on and put food on the table. The U.N.=global Nazis. the most worthless organization on planet earth .

[Mad Hatter]

Alas until they outlaw BBQ's on pollution grounds or start converting the football stadiums to hi density housing for the highly dense, the average Aussie will never be motivated in time to stop it.

My compatriots have rolled over and accepted a carbon tax which jacks the prices on everything but do diddly squat for altering global tempratures, so apathy as usual reigns supreme.

Maybe it's time to buy shares in the 'Blue pill' factory...

[Maia Gabrial]

Woe maria ! that post rocks. I couldn't agree more, take their butts back to their homes and overlook their own countries/cites. They need to get some business, and stop minding everyone elses . the most useless organization, the U.N. why have have a dang mayor, governer, senator, congressman, president, generals, ambassadors, it's just another group of maniac millionaires trying to control other maniac millionaires, on the citizens dime . they have it easy while we struggle to keep the lights on and put food on the table. The U.N.=global Nazis. the most worthless organization on planet earth .

Exactly, ghostrider! I think the generation before mine knew this and wanted it stopped. But of course, the deep pockets overlook everyone's words. Again, they think they know best. But as we can see the pathetic state our world is in, they sure DON'T KNOW what they're doing! I don't trust them with my life, let alone directions to the bathroom!

UN GO HOME!

[conk]

Wow, I'm proud to be from Alabama! Roll Tide, Gosh Darn, and smack my granny, and all that other stuff rednecks are wont to say.

[crested-duck]

Wow, I'm proud to be from Alabama! Roll Tide, Gosh Darn, and smack my granny, and all that other stuff rednecks are wont to say.***You forgot the best one-" bless his/her heart". Example:He's smart as a box of rocks,bless his heart. or The cop gave me a ticket for 2 miles over the limit, bless his heart.Those UN people think their "under nobody", bless their hearts. LOL!-Rob

[sdv]

Agenda 21 is about sustainability (valuing the protection of natural resources above profits for shareholders who sit on their bums at home and rake in the money so they can consume more), empowerment of women, elimination of poverty, and reducing gross inequality and exploitation... why are you so proud of opposing these ideals? Why are you so uppity about not having others telling you what to do but just stomp all over the rest of the planet. For heavens sake, you dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan and then did not even have the humanity and caring to tell them what you had done so that doctors on the ground could have some idea of how to treat the wounded, and what about all the landmines that you have left in countries and then arrogantly cling to your right to use landmines and whatever destructive weapons you can come up with to protect America ... protect America from what?

The goals of Agenda 21 will be realised, despite American opposition.

[Cartomancer]

Agenda 21 is about sustainability (valuing the protection of natural resources above profits for shareholders who sit on their bums at home and rake in the money so they can consume more), empowerment of women, elimination of poverty, and reducing gross inequality and exploitation... why are you so proud of opposing these ideals? Why are you so uppity about not having others telling you what to do but just stomp all over the rest of the planet. For heavens sake, you dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan and then did not even have the humanity and caring to tell them what you had done so that doctors on the ground could have some idea of how to treat the wounded, and what about all the landmines that you have left in countries and then arrogantly cling to your right to use landmines and whatever destructive weapons you can come up with to protect America ... protect America from what?

The goals of Agenda 21 will be realised, despite American opposition.

I see some of your points. I think the problem with Americans and Agenda 21 is that they are being fooled into accepting what it is. Many of the concepts and ideas aren't unreasonable. I think many people look at it like its being forced on them even the the overwhelming majority of the country wants nothing to do with the UN. Instead they are influencing local governments to pass laws that say the same thing as Agenda 21. This is underhanded and deceptive. If agenda 21 is so good why do they have to resort to these kinds of tactics to get things done in our sovereign and free country?

One thing I notice in your stark criticism of Americans is that you do not list your country of origin. Where are you from?

[nearing]

Dang, I was excited too but then it was pointed out to me that this is so that they can keep on strip mining the mountains no matter if the rest of the world objects. :(

[conk]

Agenda 21 is about sustainability (valuing the protection of natural resources above profits for shareholders who sit on their bums at home and rake in the money so they can consume more), empowerment of women, elimination of poverty, and reducing gross inequality and exploitation... why are you so proud of opposing these ideals? Why are you so uppity about not having others telling you what to do but just stomp all over the rest of the planet. For heavens sake, you dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan and then did not even have the humanity and caring to tell them what you had done so that doctors on the ground could have some idea of how to treat the wounded, and what about all the landmines that you have left in countries and then arrogantly cling to your right to use landmines and whatever destructive weapons you can come up with to protect America ... protect America from what?

The goals of Agenda 21 will be realised, despite American opposition.Not adept at reading between the lines? These initiatives are most often designed so that the true agenda is hidden. Oh, let's say "No Child Left Behind". Who in their right mind could oppose such a blessed thing? Only someone who knew before hand that the result would be TO LEAVE EVERY CHILD BEHIND! Which, by the way, is exactly what has occurred.

[we-R-one]

Agenda 21 is about sustainability (valuing the protection of natural resources above profits for shareholders who sit on their bums at home and rake in the money so they can consume more), empowerment of women, elimination of poverty, and reducing gross inequality and exploitation... why are you so proud of opposing these ideals? Why are you so uppity about not having others telling you what to do but just stomp all over the rest of the planet. For heavens sake, you dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan and then did not even have the humanity and caring to tell them what you had done so that doctors on the ground could have some idea of how to treat the wounded, and what about all the landmines that you have left in countries and then arrogantly cling to your right to use landmines and whatever destructive weapons you can come up with to protect America ... protect America from what?

The goals of Agenda 21 will be realised, despite American opposition.

You might want to do some research on Agenda 21. The use of the word "sustainability" is made to fool you into thinking this is something good. This is common practice and it's obvious that it works. Take a look at this website and I think you will change your mind. Congress has all ready become obsolete as this has been implemented without their consent by use of executive order.

http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/invite-rosa-to-speak.html

"UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development is implemented worldwide to inventory and control all land, all water, all minerals, all plants, all animals, all construction, all means of production, all information, and all human beings in the world. INVENTORY AND CONTROL.

Have you wondered where these terms 'sustainability' and 'smart growth' and 'high density urban mixed use development' came from? Doesn't it seem like about 10 years ago you'd never heard of them and now everything seems to include these concepts? Is that just a coincidence? That every town and county and state and nation in the world would be changing their land use/planning codes and government policies to align themselves with...what?

First, before I get going, I want to say that yes, I know it's a small world and it takes a village and we're all one planet etc. I also know that we have a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, and that as cumbersome as that can be sometimes (Donald Rumsfeld said that the Chinese have it easy; they don't have to ask their people if they agree. And Bush Junior said that it would be great to have a dictator as long as he was the dictator), we have a three branch government and the Bill of Rights, Constitution, and self-determination. This is one of the reasons why people want to come to the US, right? We don't have Tiananmen Square here, generally speaking (yes, I remember Kent State--not the same, and yes, an outrage.) So I'm not against making certain issues a priority, such as mindful energy use, alternative energy sponsorship, recycling/reuse, and sensitivity to all living creatures.

But then you have UN Agenda 21. What is it? See our videos and radio shows at the bottom of this page (or search YouTube for Rosa Koire) or buy BEHIND THE GREEN MASK: U.N. Agenda 21 by Rosa Koire click here

Considering its policies are woven into all the General Plans of the cities and counties, it's important for people to know where these policies are coming from. While many people support the United Nations for its peacemaking efforts, hardly anyone knows that they have very specific land use policies that they would like to see implemented in every city, county, state and nation. The specific plan is called United Nations Agenda 21 Sustainable Development, which has its basis in Communitarianism. By now, most Americans have heard of sustainable development but are largely unaware of Agenda 21.

In a nutshell, the plan calls for governments to take control of all land use and not leave any of the decision making in the hands of private property owners. It is assumed that people are not good stewards of their land and the government will do a better job if they are in control. Individual rights in general are to give way to the needs of communities as determined by the governing body. Moreover, people should be rounded up off the land and packed into human settlements, or islands of human habitation, close to employment centers and transportation. Another program, called the Wildlands Project spells out how most of the land is to be set aside for non-humans.

U.N. Agenda 21 cites the affluence of Americans as being a major problem which needs to be corrected. It calls for lowering the standard of living for Americans so that the people in poorer countries will have more, a redistribution of wealth. Although people around the world aspire to achieve the levels of prosperity we have in our country, and will risk their lives to get here, Americans are cast in a very negative light and need to be taken down to a condition closer to average in the world. Only then, they say, will there be social justice which is a cornerstone of the U.N. Agenda 21 plan.

Agenda 21 policies date back to the 70's but it got its real start in 1992 at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro when President Bush signed onto it. President Clinton signed it later and continued the program in the United States. A non-governmental organization called the International Council of Local Environmental Initiatives, ICLEI, is tasked with carrying out the goals of Agenda 21. Over 600 cities in the U.S. are members; our town joined in 2007. The costs are paid by taxpayers.

It's time that people educate themselves and read the document and related commentary. After that, get a copy of your city or county's General Plan and read it. You will find all sorts of policies that are nearly identical to those in U.N. Agenda 21. Unfortunately, their policies have advanced largely unnoticed and we are now in the end game. People need to identify their elected officials who are promoting the U.N.'s policies and hold them accountable for their actions. Only when we've identified who the people are and what they are trying to do will we be able to evaluate whether or not we approve of the policies they are putting forward. Some people may think it's appropriate for agencies outside the United States to set our policies and some people will not. The question is, aren't Americans able to develop their own policies? Should we rely on an organization that consists of member nations that have different forms of governments, most of which do not value individual rights as much as we do? It's time to bring U.N. Agenda 21 out in the open where we can have these debates and then set our own policies in accordance with our Constitution and Bill of Rights. "

http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/invite-rosa-to-speak.html

[spiritguide]

The goals of Agenda 21 will be realised, despite American opposition.

Not in America maybe elsewhere. The conditions you outline have not been helped much by the UN to this date, they do allow wars and slaughter. Don't accept candy from a stranger so I've been told.

[Maia Gabrial]

Agenda 21 is about sustainability (valuing the protection of natural resources above profits for shareholders who sit on their bums at home and rake in the money so they can consume more), empowerment of women, elimination of poverty, and reducing gross inequality and exploitation... why are you so proud of opposing these ideals? Why are you so uppity about not having others telling you what to do but just stomp all over the rest of the planet. For heavens sake, you dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan and then did not even have the humanity and caring to tell them what you had done so that doctors on the ground could have some idea of how to treat the wounded, and what about all the landmines that you have left in countries and then arrogantly cling to your right to use landmines and whatever destructive weapons you can come up with to protect America ... protect America from what?

The goals of Agenda 21 will be realised, despite American opposition.

If you believe all that, then you've fallen for the lies, sdv.
Honestly, I don't understand where you're getting your information. Look at what's been done all over the planet. Many of those things were voted for and approved by none other than the UN. THAT should be your proof that they're not doing all those things you mentioned.

In the entire existence of the UN, have they done ANY of that stuff? Take your pick from any country....If they were REALLY about saving the planet, then where are they to stop the corporations like BP from what it did in the Gulf? Lame stream might tell one story, but the people living there will tell you another. Where are they to stop the US Navy from using the sonar technologies that's destroying mass amounts of marine life? Where are they to stop the pollution of water and land by big oil in Africa? Or the orchestrated food shortages there and around the world? Are they stopping the atrocities (wars) commited by the deep pockets? Not to date.... As to the poverty you referred to, where do you think it's the most prevalent? In the UN members' own countries. Do you think these hypocrites might want to help their own people first?

And if that's not bad enough NATO, the UN's own private army of murderers are sent out to destroy countries like Libya, Syria, Afghanistans, and Iraq. Isn't it so that we're all finding out the real reasons behind all those wars? And now the eyeballs are on Iran with such eager lust.

Most people who see the truth would say that the UN's ability to protect is an outright joke! The world has been unsafe because of THEM! Have you seen pictures lately of Libya, a once beautiful country bombed back to the stone age? Contrary to what some think, the UN are not the good guys. Just ask the people in these 3rd worlds.

And for the record, I would not have approved of the atomic bombs on Japan. The Japanese have my heartfelt sorrow and ask their forgiveness for the morons who actually did this to them. So, it was done without MY consent. Not all of us Americans are as cold and callous as the jerks in the US govt is.

Agenda 21 will be exposed for what it is. And Americans ARE waking up to what the UN is trying to do to them. You can bet that our opposition will stop them. If you're an American, then you understand the American spirit, which btw is NOT gone as the liars have some believe. The best thing to happen to America is to have the UN ousted from our soil....

I'm sorry that you think that stealing our country out from under us is such a noble thing for the UN to do.

[hardrock]

The admirable goals of Agenda 21 are things that will not be fixed by Agenda 21. It's about time we started looking down the road at some of these silly legislative agendas and stop giving up our rights to the elites in the guise of "the right thing to do". Being from Alabama, I support our right to refuse a UN agenda. We can do all this locally and its not necessary for an IMF bankster sponsored mandate to protect our property rights, as this is just borderline duplicitous to our own locally governed statutes, which can be managed and educated from a local basis.

[sdv]

Darn, I was shrill and rude and I apolgise for that, but the responses are increasing my education exponentially so I am not regretful for my post on this thread!

[Maia Gabrial]

I'm surprised someone hasn't posted this yet. It's more on Agenda 21.... It seems that our UN buddies think they have the right to get rid of our CONSTITUTION and BILL OF RIGHTS! Where do these f-ing creeps get off? If this doesn't make AMERICANS mad, then what does? We have a fake govt letting criminals tell us what we can or can't do on our own soil..... This is the biggest test for Americans. Get the word out if you love this country!

This is from Red Ice Creations:

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=20375

I'm all for getting rid of the US corporation wannabe govt. But NOT the Constitution or our Bill of Rights!

UNITED NATIONS GO HOME! GET THE HELL OUT OF AMERICA!

[Mulder]

An interesting break-down of what Agenda 21 is - it's your cities 5, 10, or 20 year plan! Listen to how they use the "delphi technique" to rail-road their laws through the Government!

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[we-R-one]

This is extremely scary....I can't believe how many people are involved in this BS and think it's actually a good thing. One of my co-workers at a meeting was jumping up and down about how excited she was that we were getting a Foreign Trade zone in our area and how that was going to help local business....uhh,, ya, right.......

[ponda]

This is a must listen interview imho as Henrik Palmgren talks with Agenda 21 activist Rosa Koire.They discuss how this agenda has been introduced and how it might effect daily life for everyone on the planet in the future.



Rosa Koire - Hour 1 - Behind the Green Mask: U.N. Agenda 21

August 16, 2012

Activist, speaker, and blogger, Rosa Koire is a forensic real estate appraiser specializing in eminent domain valuation. Her research into and fight against redevelopment led her to UN Agenda 21 and was the genesis to co-found the Santa Rosa Neighborhood Coalition, Democrats Against UN Agenda 21, and the Post Sustainability Institute.

She has been speaking and inspiring groups nationally to take action. She is the author of Behind The Green Mask. Don’t miss this important program as Rosa details how Agenda 21 is being used to transition the world into a global totalitarian state where one must pay to live. She’ll explain how this agenda is the biggest public relation scam in history. We’ll cover how this plan is designed to destroy the individual, create scarcity and make us vulnerable to control.

Rosa talks about the ideology of Communitarianism, which is similar to Communist China, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. Later, we’ll discuss the hypocrisy, the propaganda and how to fight back. In the second hour, we’ll talk about how we’ll see Agenda 21 in our towns as well as the different names gives for the agenda. We’ll speak more about Communitarianism.

Agenda 21 calls for people to be moved out of the rural areas and into the cities, living in high rise gulag-esque apartments. Rosa talks about the covert ways in which they’ll fulfill their agenda. She’ll speak more how this agenda is a comprehensive plan for every part of our lives from exercise, to diet and lifestyle. We’ll also discuss how eugenics, surveillance, mind control techniques and corrupt companies are connected to Agenda 21.

The middle class is now deemed “un-sustainable” and must fall far for “social equity.” Later, we’ll discuss newspeak, religious aspects of the green movement and what the world will look like post sustainability. Rosa speaks more about what the resistance to Agenda 21 can do.

http://rediceradio.net/radio/2012/RIR-120816-rkoire-hr1.mp3

MP3 link: http://rediceradio.net/radio/2012/RIR-120816-rkoire-hr1.mp3

Also listen at Red Ice here: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/08/RIR-120816.php



During the interview Rosa mentions an organization that is being used to introduce Agenda 21 throughout the world at the local government level.You have probably never heard anything about it.It's called the 'International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives' or ICLEI and one of their sponsors is 'The Rockefeller Foundation'.

Link to their website: http://www.iclei.org/index.php?id=5990

People might be surprised just how far their tentacles already reach.Here's a link to their Global Members list: http://www.iclei.org/index.php?id=11454




Article about Agenda 21:


IS THE SOROS-SPONSORED ‘AGENDA 21’ A HIDDEN PLAN FOR WORLD GOVERNMENT? (YES, ONLY IT IS NOT HIDDEN)

What is Agenda 21? If you do not know about it, you should.

Agenda 21 is a two-decade old, grand plan for global ’Sustainable Development,’ brought to you from the United Nations. George H.W. Bush (and 177 other world leaders) agreed to it back in 1992, and in 1995, Bill Clinton signed Executive Order #12858, creating a Presidential Council on ‘Sustainable Development.’ This effectively pushed the UN plan into America’s large, churning government machine without the need for any review or discussion by Congress or the American people.

‘Sustainable Development’ sounds like a nice idea, right? It sounds nice, until you scratch the surface and find that Agenda 21 and Sustainable Development are really cloaked plans to impose the tenets of Social Justice/Socialism on the world.

At risk from Agenda 21;

Private Property ownership
Single-Family homes
Private car ownership and individual travel choices
Privately owned farms


The Agenda 21 plan openly targets private property. For over thirty-five years the UN has made their stance very clear on the issue of individuals owning land;

Land… cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market. Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth and therefore contributes to social injustice; if unchecked, it may become a major obstacle in the planning and implementation of development schemes. The provision of decent dwellings and healthy conditions for the people can only be achieved if land is used in the interest of society as a whole.

Full article: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-the-soros-sponsored-agenda-21-a-hidden-plan-for-world-government-yes-only-it-is-not-hidden/





For anyone who is interested in watching other interviews of Rosa Koire there is a youtube selection available at this link:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rosa+koire+and+agenda+21&oq=rosa+koire&gs_l=youtube.1.1.0l9.3817.6899.0.9354.10.9.0.1.1.0.115.507.6j1.7.0...0.0...1ac.FttXzNArpLw

[Tony]

Maurice Strong is Agenda 21.

Maurice Strong is the man in the background.

"We are now a species out of control."
-Maurice Strong


Agenda 21 is a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations System, Governments, and Major Groups in every area in which human impacts on the environment.

Agenda 21, the Rio Declaration on Environment and Development, and the Statement of principles for the Sustainable Management of Forests were adopted by more than 178 Governments at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) held in Rio de Janerio, Brazil, 3 to 14 June 1992.


THE ROBINHOOD PLAN aka Agenda 21
 
Let me make this easy for you. The UN has devised a plan where upon they take from the rich (you and I and anyone else in the world that works for a living) and give to the poor (those countries who refuse to elevate themselves due to corrupt governments, societal concerns, etc..) Just like “Oil for Food” however, the real plan is just to steal our money and institute a mafia like system to bully us into cooperation. Here are a small sampling of documents, aka Policy Briefs put out in preparation of the Copenhagen meeting. It is definitely worth the small investment of time for you to browse them. There is only one conclusion I reach. If our president signs this he has committed treason. By all accounts he will sign and his friends in the Senate will ratify. They have already started to funnel your money to the IMF and World Bank. I have reported in previous columns the billions of dollars just within the past year which have been given to these institutions through the “Stimulus” Plan and and other “Crisis” legislation. The only thing that’s being stimulated in this country is the blood pressure of all those who are paying attention. Saturday, October 24th is the anniversary of the UN. I will be attending a protest in my own small home town. If there is not one scheduled in your town, call your fellow patriots into action. We need to let them know we get it and we will not allow them to sign our futures away in December. Call your Senators and Representatives and tell them you know. Tell them NO WAY! It’s beginning to be a daily ritual in my household – perhaps it should be in yours as well. You may think they aren’t listening, but sources tell us they hear, even if they aren’t acknowledging it publicly. They don’t acknowledge so as to dissuade us from “annoying” them any further. As the old saying goes – change must start with you.
 





http://agenda21canada.wordpress.com/2012/06/04/maurice-strong-the-man-behind-the-green-curtain/

http://canadianawareness.org/2012/03/maurice-strong-speaks-about-agenda-21-at-the-rio-earth-summit-1992/

[buckminster fuller]

I'm personnaly all for socialist wealth redistribution and bringing down western civilization....

[spiritwind]

Thank you for posting this. I sit here not knowing what to say. In fact, I have been pretty much hanging with my jaw on the floor ever since last year when Obama began signing in all these things which are totally unconstitutional for no apparently good reason. Our country is literally going through a transformation right before our eyes and yet the majority still continue to not see. Are we all really that anesthetized? The Emperor has no clothes folks! I feel like screaming at the top of my head but they'll just cart me off to a rubber room and drug me. Maybe even some electric shock therapy. I talk to people, without being totally obnoxious I hope, every chance I get. Maybe everyone really is just unconsciously afraid. I really don't know. Anyway, I'm done with my rant. My husband and I talk all the time. We are just quietly getting ready for what we know surely will come if everyone continues to fail to act. That's all I'm going to say.

[jackovesk]

I'm personnaly all for socialist wealth redistribution and bringing down western civilization....

Be careful what you wish for...:faint:

Are you shaw, your not one of them..??? :scared:

PS - Then I saw your 'Country of Origin' http://www.flags-and-anthems.com/media/flags/animierte-flagge-frankreich.gif, you guys actually voted in Socialism along with yet another 'Shill' as President...:cry:

What a 'Sad' indictment and yet another self inflicted wound...:faint:

Have'nt the 'Good People of France' had enough already...:confused:

[Maia Gabrial]

During the interview Rosa mentions an organization that is being used to introduce Agenda 21 throughout the world at the local government level.You have probably never heard anything about it.It's called the 'International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives' or ICLEI and one of their sponsors is 'The Rockefeller Foundation'.

Thank you, ponda. It doesn't surprise me that the Rockefellers have a hand in all of this. Just one more thing they're tainting....They disgust me to no end....

[Referee]

A really good overview of Adgenda 21 by Rosa Koire on Red Ice Radio. Enjoy!

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PS Anyone have the second Hour I am not a paying member yet!

[Raven]

here it is

http://www.redicemembers.com/secure/radio/2012/8/RIR-120816-rkoire-hr2.mp3

[Tony]

From http://www.thebigbadbank.com/where-on-earth-are-we-going/ :




Where On Earth Are We Going?

On December 25, 2011, in News, by George Hunt

Maurice Strong is called “the custodian of the planet” mainly because he IS the custodian of the planet. Strong was hired by David Rockefeller when Strong was only 18 years old. Rockefeller’s purpose was to make Strong the powerhouse of the UN to guide it to a place of absolute authority over all natural resources including water and food distribution. The food and water subjects will be presented at the forthcoming United Nations NCSE Conference in Washington DC to be held on January 18-20 2012. The conference is set up to create recommendations and resolutions to place control of fresh water and other resources into the UN Environment Program (UNEP). The Rockefellers donated the land for the UN building so it gives us a large hint that they use the UN for their own destructive purposes.

The late Edmund de Rothschild created the United Nations Committee on the Environment and Development (UNCED—pronounced “Unsaid”) in 1972. His dynasty created the Committee and they are the Trustee of the UNCED meetings. I had the opportunity to attend his fourth UNCED meeting in September 1987. It was named the Fourth World Wilderness meeting and met at Estes Park and Denver, Colorado. I witnessed his cohorts create the ultimate New World Order banking program and the New World Order environment plans. The Chairwoman, Gro Harlem Brundtland, has carried their declarations through the UN. As a matter of fact, she’ll be the keynote speaker at the forthcoming January 18th NCSE meeting. Brundtland was the Prime Minister of Norway and the Director of the World Health Organization. Her curriculum vitae is covered in Wikipedia and in the Manual on my site..

Bluntly put, the aims of Strong, Rockefeller, Rothschild and Brundtland are to eliminate indigenous people by changing natural water patterns, cycles and water flows, and using EPA laws to reduce supplies of potable water to urban populations. Indigenous people and wildlife will suffer great harm. Another purpose is to make the UN the center of costly water projects funded by the international banking community. They plan to issue 25-30-year bonds to fund the tremendous costs of the blue-sky projects which will eventually become inoperative and technological nightmares. The Common People (you and me) will pay for the UN’s disastrous “mistakes”.

Yes, it sounds draconian but that is how some elite psychos think. Brundtland has been quoted to say that the world population should be 500 million people, not six billion people (the Club of Rome concurs). T hey will accomplish these goals by, among many devices, adding chemicals, “fracking impurities” and sewage into the world’s waterways plus other means such as famine, pestilence, civil wars, terrorism and poor food distribution.

Thank you for viewing this Blog and please pass the word on to others about how the UN’s Pale Horse of Death will be set loose upon society.

Yours Truly, George W Hunt Site: thebigbadbank.com

[jackovesk]

Oh Yes pie'n'eal unfortunately I remember it well...:faint:

http://images.movieplayer.it/2008/12/09/wallpaper-del-film-ultimatum-alla-terra-99256_medium.jpg

Event: The Earth Summit

Year: 1992
Date: 3-14 June
Host: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

NGO presence: Some 2,400 representatives of non-governmental organizations (NGOs)

Principal themes: Environment and "Sustainable" development

http://gulagbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Earth-Summit-Rio-1992.jpg
http://www.un.org/geninfo/bp/enviro.html


Resulting document: Agenda 21, the Rio Declaration on Environment and Development, the Statement of Forest Principles, the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change and the United Nations Convention on Biological Diversity

Conference Secretary-General: Maurice F. Strong, Canada...:canada:

http://liberte.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54ef28dc188340120a5f3d8d9970b-120wi This man is the 'Truthseekers' equivalent of Bushes http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/m/mNUhi28ctR0YBlPV2-ChJGg/140.jpg

PS - If I were a 'Vigilanty/Malitia Member' after the SHTF, I would be knocking on 'Maurice F. Strong's door 1st...:yes4:

[Tony]

I know this the 'baca' well in Colorado, it has a mass of water under the ground.


http://www.thebigbadbank.com/videos/newworldbankreligion/



Here you get a flavour of Maurice Strong's beliefs, or ....double agenda!
He is a very powerful man.
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[Tony]

Agenda 21.

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[Tony]

Get to know Mr. Strong and his 'fiends'.

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[jackovesk]

Sometimes you've just gotta...

Sit back and LoL pie'n'eal, when threads like these get little or no attention...:pound:

Its not as if this is Common Knowledge to most...:nono:

Perhaps I'm wrong...:confused:

Everyone one at Avalon must know who Maurice F. Strong really is...:no:

[nomadguy]

The editor in that video left some symbolism at 1:06
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[Tony]

Sometimes you've just gotta...

Sit back and LoL pie'n'eal, when threads like these get little or no attention...:pound:

Its not as if this is Common Knowledge to most...:nono:

Perhaps I'm wrong...:confused:

Everyone one at Avalon must know who Maurice F. Strong really is...:no:

Morning Jack! I entirely agree with you. This subject is so important!

Now if the title of the thread had been "I am a Blue Gerbil, come to earth to fulfil my mission of cleansing the planet of Evil Red Gerbils", I think there may have been some interest...

People seem to love to speculate, and take themselves down rabbit holes. The so-called elite of the world work in such subtle ways which we can't begin to imagine. They know all the spiritual and psychological tricks which they use to distract attention from what is actually going on.

Gerbils of the World Unite :cool:!

All the best
Tony

[buckminster fuller]

I have no doubt about it, socialism and not capitalism; equality and not privileges; society and not individualism. See where free enterprise has lead the world, liberalism without survey is the tool of the oligarchy. Consumerism is the tool of propaganda that promotes shear individualism, selfishness, fear and distress in the end. Competition is for the playing field, not the world of human exchanges. You should checkout books from Jean Baudrillard, "The consumer society" for instance, it has been heavily translated in english and is easy to find.
I'm really bugged by the way liberal propaganda together with the historical misuse of ideas such as communism has ruined people's ability to consider the idea and not the cultural luggage attached to it. One time is not another, contexts evolve, generations follow generations and who knows what will be next.. I'm guessing that if an extraterrestrial civilisation makes it to the technological point where they're able to cross vast distances in space, they didn't do it fighting each other over a job or a piece of bread. They must have found a way to make decisions, and take actions in ways that must be close to what you look so afraid of...
And by the way, we're pretty resilient overhere in france. Above all, we're inflicted by the same poison that is ripping the very potential of all people ,in every country. And that is the inability to face conditions, get over one's fear of the unknown and take responsibility for ourselves as a community. Whatever the scale, language or skin color.

As Tony said, "As the old saying goes – change must start with you."
I do know people on the local scale involved in agenda 21. What they are doing is promoting green energy, namely wind turbines. It involves a local bank which is owned by people, not bankers. People are actually doing things, putting words to action. I don't care if I should fantasize on this guy working covertly for this agency or this one. All I care is for us to wake up and become problem solvers instead of problem finders.

[Helvetic]

Brooks Agnew on Truth Frequency Radio | Agenda 21, October 5, 2012

Source: truthfrequencyradio.com (http://truthfrequencyradio.com/), x2-radio.com (http://x2-radio.com/)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxz-N_-v_MQ

Brooks Agnew joins the broadcast to talk about his latest area of research and activism, Agenda 21. Agenda 21 is a UN program focused on confiscating and consolidating land and resources and could ultimately lead to our destruction as a highly-developed species. We also discuss geopolitical issues, their true causes, and the REAL, tangible solutions to them. ~Truth Frequency Radio

[grannyfranny100]

Great interview hosts and Brook really made his book sound valuable!

[centreoflight]

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Thank you Ann Bressington, finally a polititian is telling us the truth about what our rulers are planning with us.

Our work of informing people is finally giving fruits.

[bennycog]

I never knew this women was around holy holy holy cow.. I am suprised and excited about this..

We have a Ron paul woot woot :)

[bennycog]

Her website, Did i say i was excited.. Thanx centreoflight for bringing this up..

http://bressington.net/

Welcome to my Official Website. I was elected to South Australian Parliament as an Independent Member of the Legislative Council in 2006.

On this site you will find my parliamentary speeches, media releases, Private Members Bills as well as detailed information about myself and my key policies, which include Drug Treatment Reform, Child Protection, WorkCover, Polygraph Testing for Family Law, the establishment of an individualised Disability management plan, and the removal of fluoride in our drinking water.

http://www.bressington.net/sub/Policies/Fluoride_in_our_drinking_water.htm

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[Referee]

Great to see this in the land down under! Mrs. Paul

[Muzz]

Its encouraging to see an elected official raise these issues. Bump.

[4evrneo]

Thank you centeroflight,

This is great news, I hope it will spread to the united states ...

[Snoweagle]

Top comments on YT contain this mantra:

altgeldrarities 13 hours ago
• It's time for every good citizen to realize that politicians are simply professional shills usurping power for the Luciferian banking families and the Occultist fraternal orders which actually run the world's finances.
We have become a Nation where:

Doctors destroy health,
Lawyers destroy justice,
Universities destroy knowledge,
Government destroys freedom,
The Press destroys information,
Religion destroys Spirituality,
And our banks destroy the economy.

[Arrowwind]

Good for Australia!

In the US we have Rosa Koire and in government we have Rand Paul and Ron Paul.

http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/videos.html

Rosa can help people all over the word to understand what is happening. Link her videos with Ann Bressington when you pass the info forward. This is a global problem not a national problem. Australia is awakening and perhaps too late for them as I think their controls are much more in place than in the US, but I hope not.

dont be put off by the presence of Glen Beck in this first video on her video thread and when you start looking into it Glen Beck Fans are hugely against Agenda 21 due to his work so I have to support his work in that direction even if in general I view him as flipflopping opportunist. Many other truth speakers are helping and promoting her including Alex Jones, Red Ice, George Noory and many many others.

Red Ice Interview:
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[Arrowwind]

Our work of informing people is finally giving fruits.

The following video appears to be from the same conference that Ann Bessinger spoke at. This film gives some of the more dirty and personal details of what is happening in Australia for the farmer.

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[bennycog]

Sorry but this has to be bumped

[onawah]

Monsanto further unveils its true evil nature by signing on to UN Agenda 21 'sustainability' scam

""inventory and control all land, all water, all minerals, all plants, all animals, all construction, all means of production, all information, all energy, and all human beings in the world."


Sunday, February 24, 2013 by: Ethan A. Huff, staff writer

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/039243_Monsanto_Agenda_21_sustainability.html#ixzz2Lte5LDic

From: http://www.naturalnews.com/039243_Monsanto_Agenda_21_sustainability.html
(NaturalNews)
A United Nations (UN) scheme to surreptitiously seize property rights from people worldwide and pack the world's populations into tiny micro-cities controlled by a centralized government has a new ally, Monsanto, which recently joined the so-called World Business Council for Sustainable Development (WBCSD) in pushing for the widespread implementation of the infamous "Agenda 21."

According to The New American, Monsanto joins a cohort of major banks, oil companies, and other powerful corporate players in pushing the UN Agenda 21 scam, which plans to eliminate national and social sovereignty, and enslave humanity under the guise of "sustainability." Personal property ownership, the ability to travel freely, the ability to live without government intrusion in every area of your life -- these and many other liberties will all disappear if Agenda 21 is fully implemented as intended.

But these concepts of complete tyranny are "values" that Monsanto fully embraces, as the corporate monolith has already been actively trampling personal property rights for decades. Monsanto's genetically-modified (GM) terminator seeds and accompanying chemical technologies, for instance, have been contaminating and destroying non-GM and organic crops for years, and the company has actually sued hundreds of farmers whose land was illegally trespassed by the company's patented "Frankencrops."

As part of its partnership with the UN, Monsanto will be implementing a new series of "sustainability" courses for its employees, which will be headed by Hugh Grant, the company's CEO. Grant will also reportedly serve as a councilman on the global sustainable development coalition, the goal of which is to advance what WBCSD outspokenly refers to on its website as a "One World vision," which will essentially transform all of humanity into the likeness of the UN's blueprint for the world.

"The One World vision is the ultimate stage of a conceptual evolution that started decades ago," explains the council, ominously, on its website. "This evolution produced several paradigm shifts that combine how we comprehend our world, and, as a result, how we try to deal with it."

Beware of global government hiding behind 'sustainability'
This ethereal rhetoric fails; however, to define precisely what the agenda actually entails. As covered recently by Michael Snyder over at Economic Collapse, Agenda 21 exploits environmental problems for the purpose of expanding government control over humanity. Individual liberties and freedoms, he writes, are ultimately sacrificed in order to meld the world into a one world government control grid, where every human activity is monitored, tracked, and controlled.

"In simplified terms, Agenda 21 is a master blueprint, or guidelines, for constructing 'sustainable' communities," explains a RedState.com article published back in 2011. Adding to this, a local resident of Summit Hill, Pennsylvania, explained at a council meeting on sustainable development that the purpose of the whole scheme is to "inventory and control all land, all water, all minerals, all plants, all animals, all construction, all means of production, all information, all energy, and all human beings in the world."

Plainly stated, this philosophy is a perfect match for the Monsanto business model, which already seeks to control all of agriculture, and eliminate the freedom of individuals to grow crops that are not patented. Monsanto also hates freedom of information, as the biotechnology giant spent more than $8 million last year to defeat the Proposition 37 ballot measure in California that would have required the labeling of GMOs at the retail level.

To learn more about Agenda 21 and how it will affect you and your family, visit:
http://www.freedomadvocates.org/

Sources for this article include:

http://www.thenewamerican.com

http://www.infowars.com

http://www.naturalnews.com

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/039243_Monsanto_Agenda_21_sustainability.html#ixzz2LtdTLz7E

[buckminster fuller]

How can we achieve sustainability without control..? How can we achieve this without sacrifices...? Aren't our life styles of today properly incompatible with the idea of sustainability..? What do you want, a ****ed up planet with no future for next generations, or changes in our lifes that will allow to welcome next generations... This all sounds pretty childish to me. "In simplified terms, Agenda 21 is a master blueprint, or guidelines, for constructing 'sustainable' communities," . Can you tell me what is wrong with this picture, intellectually, and without injecting paranoid Orwellian pictures in the mix..? Who's playing who here is really a complex question. And it has several answers. I personally am all for sustainable communities. I'm all against consumerism, capitalism and worldwide robberies of natural resources. Don't make things look simple when truly they are not.

Overall, the actual "agenda" is to privatize everything from air to food and water etc... This is the fight. This is where we should focus.

Edit : and unfortunately, privatization is seen as something sooo natural in the US, that peeps just fail to see where it is going.

[aniN]

What a joke ha ha ha ha... They are already doing this, ( among other things, like poisoning us and mind control, etc. ... ) we are not going to be enslaved, we already are. If this is not clear yet then you are blind!

[onawah]

Sustainability certainly is necessary, but who is in control of it will determine whether that is just the label for a destructive policy pushed by Monsanto and the like, or whether it is a movement based on real grass roots values.

[onawah]

Farmers in India take on Monsanto

Miracle grow: Indian farmers smash crop yield records without GMOs
Gorita, Andhra Pradesh, India.

What if the agricultural revolution has already happened and we didn’t realize it? Essentially, that’s the idea in this report from the Guardian about a group of poverty-stricken Indian rice and potato farmers who harvested confirmed world-record yields of rice and potatoes. Best of all: They did it completely sans-GMOs or even chemicals of any kind.

[Sumant] Kumar, a shy young farmer in Nalanda district of India’s poorest state Bihar, had — using only farmyard manure and without any herbicides — grown an astonishing 22.4 tonnes of rice on one hectare [~2.5 acres] of land. This was a world record and with rice the staple food of more than half the world’s population of seven billion, big news.

It beat not just the 19.4 tonnes achieved by the “father of rice”, the Chinese agricultural scientist Yuan Longping, but the World Bank-funded scientists at the International Rice Research Institute in the Philippines, and anything achieved by the biggest European and American seed and GM companies. And it was not just Sumant Kumar. Krishna, Nitish, Sanjay and Bijay, his friends and rivals in Darveshpura, all recorded over 17 tonnes, and many others in the villages around claimed to have more than doubled their usual yields.

Another Bihar farmer broke India’s wheat-growing record the same year. They accomplished all this without GMOs or advanced seed hybrids, artificial fertilizer or herbicide. Instead, they used a technique called System of Rice [or root] Intensification (SRI). It’s a technique developed in Madagascar in the 1980s by a French Jesuit and then identified and promulgated by Cornell political scientist and international development specialist Norman Uphoff.

SRI for rice involves starting with fewer, more widely spaced plants; using less water; actively aerating the soil; and applying lots of organic fertilizer. According to Uphoff’s SRI Institute website [PDF], the farmers who use synthetic fertilizer with the technique get lower yields than those who farm organically. How’s that for pleasant irony?
The breadth of the results in Bihar have gotten international attention. The Guardian reports that economist Joseph Stieglitz, a Nobel laureate and international development aficionado, visited the area last month. After seeing their amazing results, he declared the farmers “better than scientists.”


read the rest at
http://grist.org/food/miracle-grow-indian-farmers-smash-crop-yield-records-without-gmos/

[Dennis Leahy]

How can we achieve sustainability without control..? How can we achieve this without sacrifices...? Aren't our life styles of today properly incompatible with the idea of sustainability..? What do you want, a ****ed up planet with no future for next generations, or changes in our lifes that will allow to welcome next generations... This all sounds pretty childish to me. "In simplified terms, Agenda 21 is a master blueprint, or guidelines, for constructing 'sustainable' communities," . Can you tell me what is wrong with this picture, intellectually, and without injecting paranoid Orwellian pictures in the mix..? Who's playing who here is really a complex question. And it has several answers. I personally am all for sustainable communities. I'm all against consumerism, capitalism and worldwide robberies of natural resources. Don't make things look simple when truly they are not.

Overall, the actual "agenda" is to privatize everything from air to food and water etc... This is the fight. This is where we should focus.

Edit : and unfortunately, privatization is seen as something sooo natural in the US, that peeps just fail to see where it is going.
I took a course in wildlife resource management in college. Really bright professor, very down to Earth and committed to being a steward of the Earth.

One concept that came up one day was the idea of migration routes or migratory corridors. These patterns of animal behavior are ingrained or imprinted on many animal species, and have been over the course of millennia. After letting us posnder, discuss the subject, the professor let us know his thoughts and feelings. He was clearly on the side of mapping out the migratory corridors as well as "wild space" for critters and for self-managed forest, meadow, desert, and prairie environments (including allowing their normal patterns of succession) - and marking some territory off as "taken" (by wildlife.) If this meant some suburban tract homes would meet a bulldozer, the higher good was met, and the humans could adapt.

So, let's make up a character: Joe Sovereign Citizen, a Freeman with a big bag of silver coins (the ability to purchase land.)

And a scenario: Joe decides to homestead a piece of property (in whatever way this property right transfer can happen in our fictitious scenario.) Joe has complete freedom and rights to do so.

And a conflict: Joe wants to divert a stream, dam a creek, build a small lake, and cut down a tract of forest to create an organic farm, and put a tree farm in a large existing meadow. The local wildlife biologist (who may have been in opposition to this land "sale"/transfer in the first place), knows this is an important migratory corridor. The "terraforming" that Joe has planned will be extremely disruptive to several non-human species, possibly causing a major impact on the animals.

So, who's side are you on? Our homesteading hero, who wants to do organic farming and grow a tree farm of threatened species, who has never as much as thrown a gum wrapper out a pickup truck window - or the animals? Does the migratory corridor take precedence over Joe's wishes?

(That's just the kind of thing the professor would put on the table for us to ponder.)

If these questions don't get asked - and answered - now, there won't be the species diversity as humanity continues our march upwards on the population towards the carrying capacity of Earth. What's the carrying capacity? I don't know, let's say it is 7 times bigger than the current population: 50 billion people. At some point, if the human population continues to rise, these issues will need to be faced.

There is a LOT of "gray zone" between the black-and-white view of either humans being totally unrestricted in what land is developed (and terraformed) and the crammed-with-humans highrise concrete jungles that Agenda 21 proposes. I would HATE the latter, but understand that the former would destroy most of the biodiversity.

Agenda 21 is hyperbolic, over the top, nuts... It is being considered not for the natural world to thrive or for a balance, bur for the greedy ultra rich, that really want humans the hell off of most of the land they (believe that they) own. But Agenda 21 should give us all cause to stop and look for that balance between the extremes that will recognize the sovereignty of animal and plant life as well as human. It's an ecosystem, not a frontier. We had better think about the balance, not (just) our selfish desires.

Dennis

[buckminster fuller]

I agree Dennis. I'm just eager to defend the idea of sustainability as I see so many ideas and concepts, past and present, that have been thrown away because played out reversely by some form of oligarchy.
As in all setup, there are two sides of things. Agenda 21 is, at the globalist level, a tool of business, marketing and public communication. At the local level, what I witness from it is access to fundings for green energy projects as well as a raise in consciousness in terms of environmental concerns. It has brought subjects to the table that weren't there before. How it is organized at this level is pretty much left in the hands of locals (city towns and associations, and this accounts essentially for small villages councils , which we have in great numbers in our country. (34 164 small to big "towns"). So things are moving in terms of reflexion, somehow thanks to agenda 21.
The questions you address about population growth are I think one of the most complex to answer to. Earth is finite indeed. Yet man has the necessary tools to expand beyond earth if he wants to. Space and resources are things that we could have in abundance without disturbing our environment as much as we do now. We're not taking this course but I want to keep hope, and this includes new possible horizons. I professionally am aware of our collective potential. I'm long past frustrated and even if I don't see it, I want to keep alive those ideas that make something else possible for our kids and the next generations.

[Cidersomerset]

Australian Politician Ann Bressington Exposes Agenda 21 & Club
Sunday, 03 March 2013 10:12
Posted by David Icke


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Global Elite: The Character Traits of Truly Evil People
Sunday, 03 March 2013 13:20
Posted by David Icke


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'The first dangerous mistake the average person makes is the assumption that 'evil'
is a kind of subjective or 'gray' concept. We would love to believe that all
destructive and malicious behavior is merely a product of bad environment, bad
upbringing, or mental psychosis.

Deviance in the name of misguided 'profit' or 'status' is often more acceptable to
the public; as long as there is a reason we can easily understand and grasp. What
frightens the average American today is not the abhorrent action of criminality;
rather, it is criminality without easily definable reason.

What frightens the common citizen is the possibility that some people hurt others
not because mommy and daddy “mistreated” them, or because they have a
psychological deficiency that clouds their judgment, but because they fully and
consciously ENJOY doing what they do.'

Read more: Global Elite: The Character Traits of Truly Evil People

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/80734-global-elite-the-character-traits-of-truly-evil-people

[jackovesk]

Australian Politician Ann Bressington Exposes Agenda 21 & Club
Sunday, 03 March 2013 10:12
Posted by David Icke

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Read more: Global Elite: The Character Traits of Truly Evil People

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/80734-global-elite-the-character-traits-of-truly-evil-people

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PS - Now that's what I call the true-blue 'Aussie Spirit' spoken by a Dinky-Dye Aussie...:thumb:

...and that is Why my friends these CRIMINAL BASTARDS are going to lose...:yes4:

What our friends from overseas don't really understand about the Australian people is our unwavering ability (when cornered) to FIGHT BACK..!

...and if our Corrupt Politicians want a Fight - BRING IT ON..!!! :mad2:

One in (ALL) in...:boxing:

[TigaHawk]

I would like to point out...

2011 floods in QLD directly resulted in all the private corporations that had dam's and supplied water to QLD merged into one and controll changed to govt. Water is now owned by Government in Queensland. I do not believe that was publically announced either.


May i now point you're interests in the NSW floods of this year, and the outcome of them.

Another reference to her speech, specifically "man made disasters" to help achieve their goals.

cough cough, splutter splutter, ect.

[onawah]

How GMO’s Contribute to Climate Change
(And how grass farming can help...)
From:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/03/05/gmo-affects-climate-change.aspx?e_cid=20130305_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20130305

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By Dr. Mercola

Corn and soy—much of which are genetically engineered—are rapidly overtaking native grasslands in a number of US states. This is a trend that may have a not-so-insignificant impact on global climate change and subsequently, our ability to secure our food supply long-term.

As discussed in a recent Mother Jones article,1 this conversion of grasslands to crop fields is the exact opposite of what might be in our best interest.

“...to get ready for climate change, we should push Midwestern farmers to switch a chunk of their corn land into pasture for cows,” the featured article states.

“The idea came from a paper2 by University of Tennessee and Bard College researchers, who calculated that such a move could suck up massive amounts of carbon in soil—enough to reduce annual greenhouse gas emissions from agriculture by 36 percent.

In addition to the CO2 reductions, you'd also get a bunch of high-quality, grass-fed beef... Turns out the Midwest are doing just the opposite.”

Federal Policy Worsens Environmental Concerns

According to a recently published paper3 by South Dakota State University researchers, grasslands in the Western corn belt, which includes North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, Iowa, and Nebraska, is being lost at a rate "comparable to deforestation rates in Brazil, Malaysia, and Indonesia."

Between 2006 and 2011, nearly 2 million acres of friendly native grasses have been lost to corn and soy—two of the staples in processed foods that are driving chronic disease rates in an ever steepening upward incline. The same thing is happening in South America, where native forests are leveled in order to plant soy.

The researchers claim the land being converted into corn and soy fields is actually much better suited for grazing than crop agriculture, as it is “characterized by high erosion risk and vulnerability to drought." So why would farmers opt to use such risky land for their crops?

According to the featured article:

“Simple: Federal policy has made it a high-reward, tiny-risk proposition. Prices for corn and soy doubled in real terms between 2006 and 2011, the authors note, driven up by federal corn-ethanol mandates and relentless Wall Street speculation.

Then there's federally subsidized crop insurance, the authors add. When farmers manage to tease a decent crop out of their marginal land, they're rewarded with high prices for their crop. But if the crop fails, subsidized insurance guarantees a decent return.

Essentially, federal farm policy, through the ethanol mandate and the insurance program, is underwriting the expansion of corn and soy agriculture at precisely the time it should be shrinking.”

The US Department of Agriculture (USDA) recently released a report titled: "Climate Change and Agriculture in the United States." According to the report, our current agricultural system, which is dominated by corn and soy, is unsustainable in the long term. Should temperatures rise as predicted, the US could expect to see significant declines in yields by the middle of this century.

Unfortunately, the USDA failed to analyze how reliance on monoculture might heighten our vulnerability to devastating crop loss. As a general rule though, the more crop diversity you have, the greater your food security, as different crops are affected differently. Our dependence on two primary crops is a recipe for disaster.

Monoculture—A Tremendous Threat to Global Food Security

The "faster, bigger, cheaper" approach to food is slowly draining dry our planet's resources and compromising your health. The Earth's soil is depleting at more than 13 percent the rate it can be replaced, and we’ve already lost 75 percent of the world's crop varieties over the last century.

In the words of Michael Pollan, author of The Omnivore's Dilemma and a number of other bestsellers: "Mother Nature destroys monocultures." What is a monoculture? Monoculture (or monocropping) is defined as the high-yield agricultural practice of growing a single crop year after year on the same land, in the absence of rotation through other crops. Corn, soybeans, wheat, and to some degree rice, are the most common crops grown with monocropping techniques. In fact, corn, wheat and rice now account for 60 percent of human caloric intake, according to the UN Food and Agriculture Organization.4 According to an article on GreenFudge.org, monoculture is detrimental to the environment for a number of reasons, including the following:

It damages soil ecology by depleting and reducing the diversity of soil nutrients
It creates an unbuffered niche for parasitic species to take over, making crops more vulnerable to opportunistic pathogens that can quickly wipe out an entire crop
It increases dependency on chemical pesticides, fertilizers, antibiotics and genetically modified organisms (GMOs)
It increases reliance on expensive specialized farm equipment and machinery that require heavy use of fossil fuels
It destroys biodiversity

By contrast, polyculture (the traditional rotation of crops and livestock) better serves both land and people. Polyculture evolved to meet the complete nutritional needs of a local community. Polyculture, when done mindfully, automatically replenishes what is taken out, which makes it sustainable with minimal effort. Unfortunately, government subsidies and fervent lobbying to favor patented seeds drive the monoculture train; the goal of which is to maximize profits as quickly and for as long as possible... At stake is our entire food supply, not to mention farmers who don’t want to use patented seed.

Monsanto: Why We Sue Farmers Who Save Seeds

In a recent article in CropLife,5 Monsanto “provides the ‘justification’ they use to explain why they are forced to protect their innovation.”

“Patents are necessary to ensure that Monsanto is paid for its products and all the investments it puts into developing products. This is one of the basic reasons for patents. A more important reason is to help foster innovation. Without the protection of patents there would be little incentive for privately-owned companies to pursue and re-invest in innovation. Monsanto invests more than $2.6 million per day in research and development that ultimately benefits farmers and consumers. Without the protection of patents, this would not be possible,” the article reads.

Contrary to the “law of nature,” when you purchase patented seed, such as those sold by Monsanto, you have to sign an agreement confirming you will not save and replant seeds produced from the seed you buy. This means you have to repurchase new seed from them each season, opposed to the ancient practice of saving seed from one season’s harvest to plant the next. However, patented crops don’t know they’re not supposed to spread like natural ones... Farms can easily become contaminated by wind- or insect-carried pollen from GE fields, thereby opening farmers up to patent infringement lawsuits.

Monsanto has aggressively waged war against farmers whose only crime was to grow crops out in the open... According to a report6 by the Center for Food Safety (CFS), Monsanto had, as of December 2012, filed 142 patent infringement lawsuits against 410 farmers and 56 small businesses in more than 27 states. All in all, Monsanto has been awarded a staggering $23 million from their mafia tactics so far.7

According to Monsanto, only nine cases have gone through full trial, and in each of those cases, the jury or court decided in Monsanto's favor. I’m sure it helps to have some of the most high-paid legal firms in the country representing them, and also to have insiders in the halls of justice... Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas,8 appointed to the Supreme Court in 1991, is in fact a former Monsanto attorney. And he has yet to rule against his former employer.

Monsanto vs. Bowman

Not all cases are related to contamination however. On February 19, the US Supreme Court began hearing the appeal of 75-year old Indiana soybean farmer Vernon Bowman, in which he disputes Monsanto's claim that his farm used the patented seeds without authorization. The central issue in this case is the extent that a patent holder can control its use through multiple generations of seed.9 According to a recent press release:10

“Farmer Bowman legally purchased seeds at a grain elevator, which bought them from farmers who had, with Monsanto's authorization, used the genetically modified Monsanto seeds to grow their soybean crops. Monsanto claims that Mr. Bowman infringed its patents on herbicide-resistant plants and seeds by using the grain elevator seeds to grow his soybean crops. Mr. Bowman asserts that Monsanto's sales of the original seeds to authorized purchasers exhausted Monsanto's patent rights and therefore Monsanto cannot enforce its patents against second-generation and later seeds that resulted from planting the original seeds.”

So far, none of the Justices have been impressed with Bowman’s appeal. In fact, just seconds into Bowman’s attorney’s opening arguments, Chief Justice Roberts interrupted him by asking “why anyone would ever patent anything if Bowman were to prevail?” And just moments after that, Justice Breyer openly stated that “Bowman had infringed” on Monsanto’s patent, as if the case was already decided. In a summary of the case, patent attorney and founder of IPWatchdog, Gene Quinn, writes:11

“Justice Breyer, harkening back to the words of Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, said: 'There are three generations of seeds. Maybe three generations of seeds is enough.' Justice Breyer acknowledged that it was a bad joke. Certainly a politically incorrect joke. The 'joke' referred to Holmes’ 1927 decision in Buck v. Bell,12 which was a case of forced sterilization. Holmes concluded in that case: 'Three generations of imbeciles are enough.'”

Indeed, making light of the government’s right to sterilize mentally handicapped people is not just a bad joke, it’s a sick one when you consider that the case in question (Buck vs Bell) basically concluded that it’s okay for the federal government to sterilize whomever they want—primarily those they consider 'imbeciles.' In Buck vs Bell, Holmes made the case that so long as government can force vaccination, it can force sterilization. If they can force medical procedures on your body, what rights do you really have? Now they are establishing that corporations have a right to patent not just one life, but the future generations as well

“We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, in order to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind.

The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes... Three generations of imbeciles are enough.

But, it is said, however it might be if this reasoning were applied generally, it fails when it is confined to the small number who are in the institutions named and is not applied to the multitudes outside. It is the usual last resort of constitutional arguments to point out shortcomings of this sort. But the answer is that the law does all that is needed when it does all that it can, indicates a policy, applies it to all within the lines, and seeks to bring within the lines all similarly situated so far and so fast as its means allow. Of course so far as the operations enable those who otherwise must be kept confined to be returned to the world, and thus open the asylum to others, the equality aimed at will be more nearly reached.”

Jokes aside about government’s rights to do with life as it pleases, the Court appears sold on protecting patent rights for seeds through multiple generations. The judges' decision will come by the end of June 2013. My guess is the Supreme Court only took this case to clearly protect the future of genetic engineering, and the rights to their products and of future generations. Justice Breyer and Justice Holmes appear to have a lot in common, and Americans can expect another moral injustice to our laws.

Keep Fighting for Labeling of Genetically Engineered Foods

While California Prop. 37 failed to pass last November, by a very narrow margin, the fight for GMO labeling is far from over. The field-of-play has now moved to the state of Washington, where the people's initiative 522, "The People's Right to Know Genetically Engineered Food Act," will require food sold in retail outlets to be labeled if it contains genetically engineered ingredients. As stated on LabelitWA.org:

"Calorie and nutritional information were not always required on food labels. But since 1990 it has been required and most consumers use this information every day. Country-of-origin labeling wasn't required until 2002. The trans fat content of foods didn't have to be labeled until 2006. Now, all of these labeling requirements are accepted as important for consumers. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) also says we must know with labeling if our orange juice is from fresh oranges or frozen concentrate.

Doesn't it make sense that genetically engineered foods containing experimental viral, bacterial, insect, plant or animal genes should be labeled, too? Genetically engineered foods do not have to be tested for safety before entering the market. No long-term human feeding studies have been done. The research we have is raising serious questions about the impact to human health and the environment.

I-522 provides the transparency people deserve. I-522 will not raise costs to consumers or food producers. It simply would add more information to food labels, which manufacturers change routinely anyway, all the time. I-522 does not impose any significant cost on our state. It does not require the state to conduct label surveillance, or to initiate or pursue enforcement. The state may choose to do so, as a policy choice, but I-522 was written to avoid raising costs to the state or consumers."

Remember, as with CA Prop. 37, they need support of people like YOU to succeed. Prop. 37 failed with a very narrow margin simply because we didn't have the funds to counter the massive ad campaigns created by the No on 37 camp, led by Monsanto and other major food companies. Let's not allow Monsanto and its allies to confuse and mislead the people of Washington and Vermont as they did in California. So please, I urge you to get involved and help in any way you can, regardless of what state you live in.

No matter where you live in the United States, please donate money to these labeling efforts through the Organic Consumers Fund.
If you live in Washington State, please sign the I-522 petition. You can also volunteer to help gather signatures across the state.
For timely updates on issues relating to these and other labeling initiatives, please join the Organic Consumers Association on Facebook, or follow them on Twitter.
Talk to organic producers and stores and ask them to actively support the Washington initiative.

[onawah]

A SILENT FOREST: The Growing Threat, Genetically Engineered Trees – Full Movie
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~"This award winning documentary film explores the growing global threat of genetically engineered trees to our environment and to human health. The film features renowned geneticist and host of PBS’ The Nature of Things David Suzuki, who explores the unknown and possibly disastrous consequences of improperly tested GE methods. Many scientists and activists are interviewed in the film, which serves as an effective and succinct tool for understanding the complex issue of GE trees. The film includes the testimony of many experts on the subject and serves as a valuable tool to inform students and those interested in environmental issues."
http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2013/02/11/a-silent-forest-the-growing-threat-genetically-engineered-trees-full-movie/

[Camilo]

It appears that the human race and the UN in particular has learned nothing from our short but devastating history of inhabiting planet Earth. Not content with depleting and/or destroying the resources on the surface it seems the seabed is the latest target.

The prospect of a modern era ‘gold rush’ with the sea bed being the new frontier is moving closer by the day.

The United Nations has published its first plan for managing the extraction of so-called “nodules” – small mineral-rich rocks – from the seabed. A technical study was carried out by the UN’s International Seabed Authority – the body overseeing deep sea mining. It says companies could apply for licences from as soon as 2016.

The idea of exploiting the vast mineral reserves found in the sea bed is not new, it has been considered for decades, but new technology which would make the mining easier and safer, and the high cost of rare earth minerals seems to have provided the push needed to turn the drawing board ideas into reality.

Although experts from many different fields have highlighted the hazards that such mining would cause the UN seem hell bent on pushing through the proposal.

The International Seabed Authority (ISA) a division of the UN carried out a study and the report openly admitted that mining the seabed will cause:

“inevitable environmental damage”

Even with indications from the UN that environmental damage will occur, that biodiversity will be affected there has been a surge in applications for seabed mining licences from private and STATE OWNED companies. The licenses don’t come cheap, $500,000 each which allows the company to mine for 15 years. That of course is a drop in the ocean…no pun intended, against what these companies will earn from their pillage of the oceans.

One of the most recent applications that was granted, was to UK Seabed Resources, a subsidiary of the Lockheed Martin the US defence company.

Why these companies are interested is plain to see. A recent assessment of the eastern Pacific Ocean, an area called the Clarion-Clipperton Zone which covers an area of just under two million square miles concluded that that area alone contains around 27 billion tons of nodules. The licenses will cover the Pacific Ocean, the Atlantic and Indian Oceans.

With nickel, copper,cobalt and even gold contained in the rocks the lure is in some ways understandable, but at what cost?

The possibility of seabed mining has already provoked scientists to speak out against it. Biologists fear a loss of diversity and more importantly the possible disruption of the marine life food chain.

Many people rely on fish and other marine creatures as their main or only source of protein. Any disruption of the food chain would have disastrous consequences for millions of people who live in areas where livestock ownership is not possible either due to economics or the geography not supporting the raising of animals for food.

The UN set up the ISA to:

“encourage and manage seabed mining for the wider benefit of humanity-with a share of any profits going to developing countries”

It’s obvious that this is another way of saying they will pay compensation for the disruption that those living in coastal areas will suffer. Hubs will have to be built to off load the nodules and most likely processing plants to extract the valuables they contain. The spoil left after extraction will have to be dumped disposed of somewhere, most likely into the oceans, disrupting areas that were not licensed for extraction, further damaging the fragile marine eco-systems. It seems unlikely spoil will be dumped within licensed areas…it would quite literally muddy the waters and reduce extraction levels.

The ISA reports admits that:

“competency cannot be gained without actual mining on a commercial scale, but at the same time mining should not be allowed without prior demonstration of competence”

It doesn’t mention how that competency can be proven. We cannot continue to cripple the system that provides for us with impunity. Extracting much sought after resources from the sea bed may be a commercially viable option to those with billions of dollars to spend on the venture but to those that rely on the oceans for their livelihood and their food supply it could well be the straw that breaks the camels back.

Starvation is a great way to reduce to planets population. Agenda 21 wrapped up as a benefit to humanity. Nice touch.

Delivered by The Daily Sheeple

[Lifebringer]

All I can say is "get your stored beans and lentils on, they're going in for the kill shot. Destroy the only other sources of protein from the sea, and then charge 10.00 per oz for chicken, 15.00 per oz for antibiotic pork products, and 20.00 per oz for beef. Oh yeah, they see happy days ahead in the bunkers with all theirs tucked away below ground. They'll slam the doors on the starving unless agreement to work for food is in place.

What a delusional world of greed and phychotic control, they think we'll tolerate. Guess they have to find out the hard way with a life of hardship behind bars. Felony records can stop anyone from living a reasonably fulfilled life.

Oh, karma...don't ya' love it?

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I wrote about Nodule harvesting on my blog Nuclearnuttery, which was removed from the internet by wordpress without an explanation.

How many million dollar ideas are destroyed and stolen daily thanks to Google and other E-cronies???

p.s. my ****ed up cousin went to antarctica and actually collected some nodules.
he kept some of them illegally and i started thinking about them being valuable not because they are fossils but because many nodules are formed around precious metals.

i'll probably die in a ditch in spite of my efforts to sound smart.

[mosquito]

Brilliant ! First of all we f*ck the rainforests, not content with that, we have to destroy the oceans too.

Intelligent design ??? Yahweh 0/10, go to the bottom of the class.

[jackovesk]

http://antioligarch.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/agenda21.jpg?w=600&h=592

Activist Post

Friday, June 14, 2013

Agenda 21 is 'NOT' a conspiracy theory. It is an easily viewable global plan that can be found executed in your local county. If you live near a metro area, you just need to look up your local county’s ‘comprehensive growth plan’ on Google to see the extent of this plan. You will see maps of your street, future train lines designed to transport workers to designated work areas, areas allowing mixed use, areas allowing 120 residential dwelling units per acre in Manhattan-like density, and maps of greenspace unsuitable for human habitation.

Anything built in the future must comply with this pre-drawn Agenda 21 map before being approved by the local building authority. How is it that zoning law, which was traditionally locally written, seems so suddenly uniform throughout the United States? Because the United States signed a global treaty in 1992, passed federal laws mandating that local counties write comprehensive growth plans, and arranged national educational seminars for unelected bureaucrats to attend.

It is obvious that the plan is to create gridlock in the near future so that people will absolutely demand city-like design in the suburbs and welcome new infrastructure taxes. The problem is, it’s a one-size-fits-all policy designed by people in Brussels who have little clue how US suburban areas are built today.


While New York could easily accommodate areas with 120 dwelling units per acre with its streamlined subway system, a suburb with a few winding residential streets will merely suffer impossible gridlock. A suburb has no room for train stations. Stores are so far apart from residential houses, that even if a train dumps you off at one destination, you will still need a ride home with a car through all of the gridlock. Nothing short of burning these suburbs down would do the trick of complete redevelopment Agenda-21 style.

Some people believe that Agenda 21 will create “urban provinces” and that citizens of one province will not be able to move to a new province without getting approval from the local housing boards. Others believe that food-mile rules will be imposed so that those living in an Agenda 21 province may not purchase fresh produce grown outside of a 25-mile radius with their EBT card. Perhaps each province will have a Labor and Career board as well that discourages children from freely making career choices in school that are incompatible with the Province’s needs. Each province will have federal pollution limits. Thus, each province may impose an individual tax on people who exceed their energy quotas.


This energy usage will be measured on smart grids. If one travels too much, as shown by their vehicle’s smart monitor, they will be instantly penalized. Perhaps each province will have its own cyber-fiat-currency to protect citizens. The usage of this local currency could be promoted as a way to avoid global taxes. Yet this currency could be subject to wild uncontrollable bouts of inflation and deflation, stealing wealth away from citizens.

Some have noticed that Agenda 21 seems to promote arrangements for ‘community property’, like condominiums and co-housing where neighbors have the power to run the details of your living arrangements, like how high you turn up your music, or what types of plant pots are suitable for decorating your front porch. Such arrangements are found in Denmark. How ironic that Denmark was declared one of the happiest areas in the world on some unknown global happiness scale.

Thus, Agenda 21 seems like a perfect system for a global control grid. It seems like a slave prison with all the profits transferred offshore to a secret elite. Talk to your local neighbor, and he probably has never heard of Agenda 21. How can a plan decorated with words like ‘sustainability’, ‘green’, and ‘efficient’ be flawed?

Therefore, it is up to an individual to come up with their own solutions. Can an individual have his own individual garden? That may be hard if there are community water usage laws that forbid him to collect rainwater or use more than his rationed share of water. Can one just buy a bunch of land now when it’s cheap, before all the future waves of immigration and density hit? Well, this land may be highly taxed and financially infeasible to keep. Should one just plan to move to a rural area? Careers in these rural areas may dry up once expensive and strict building restrictions are imposed on these communities.

I simply say – back up – zoom out – don’t buy into the hysteria. Perhaps the ‘powers that be’ are wise. Perhaps the masses must be controlled, or they will sprawl all over the earth, over-reproduce, and cover it with cheap plastic Walmart goods.

Perhaps Agenda 21 is a global welfare system, and there will always be an opt-out clause remaining for a free-thinking individual. Sure, if you are on the Agenda-21 welfare ticket, you will only be able to buy local food per definition of your Agenda 21 province. If you go to a ‘free’ government school, you will only be educated to be a specialized cog in a complicated system and remain too dumb to accumulate wealth. If you want your government housing allowance, then you will need approval to move to a new province, and you will only live in pre-approved dense areas. If you have no individual thinking power or initiative, the community will simply make your choices based on what’s good for the survival of the group. How can you blame the community for going along with their community organizers?

The war is actually more of a spiritual nature rather than a material one, and you are merely fighting yourself with a little pressure from the outside. Are you a free-thinking individual who can balance your own checkbook, or are you merely a servant to the greater community that can never seem to get out of the red? Can you purchase a modest-sized parcel of land and preserve it, or must you pool your money with a condo association and obey complicated regulations? Can you take the risk of making your own career choice, or will you let province officials declare your safe career path?

When I visualize the future, I merely see members of society suffering the tragedy of the commons repeatedly while never understanding that an individual must affirmatively declare responsibility for his own problems and assume his own individual risks. As a ‘stakeholder’ in an Agenda 21 community, your voice will inevitably be drowned out. However, as a stakeholder in your own personal future, you have the power to use creativity and initiative in all your thinking. With this attitude, you will actually benefit from a community-based system. The community will magnetically revolve around individuals who seem unaffected by seemingly unsolvable communal problems. They will beg for the latest, trendiest, self-promoted colorful hero to offer up a new creative quick-fix to a local community problem.

http://www.activistpost.com/2013/06/the-real-solution-to-agenda-21.html

[jackovesk]

Agenda 21 In One Easy Lesson

Posted on July 11, 2011

Awareness of United Nations Agenda 21 and Sustainable Development is racing across the nation as citizens in community after community are learning what their city planners are actually up to. As awareness grows, I am receiving more and more calls for tools to help activists fight back. Many complain that elected officials just won’t read detailed reports or watch long videos. “Can you give us something that is quick, and easy to read that we can hand out,” I’m asked.

So here it is. A one page, quick description of Agenda 21 that fits on one page. I’ve also included for the back side of your hand out a list of quotes for the perpetrators of Agenda 21 that should back up my brief descriptions.

A word of caution, use this as a starter kit, but do not allow it to be your only knowledge of this very complex subject. To kill it you have to know the facts. Research, know your details; discover the NGO players in your community; identify who is victimized by the policies and recruit them to your fight; and then kill Agenda 21. That’s how it must be done. The information below is only your first step. Happy hunting.

What is Sustainable Development?

According to its authors, the objective of sustainable development is to integrate economic,

social and environmental policies in order to achieve reduced consumption, social equity, and the preservation and restoration of biodiversity. Sustainablists insist that every societal decision be based on environmental impact, focusing on three components; global land use, global education, and global population control and reduction.

Social Equity (Social injustice)

Social justice is described as the right and opportunity of all people “to benefit equally from the resources afforded us by society and the environment.” Redistribution of wealth. Private property is a social injustice since not everyone can build wealth from it. National sovereignty is a social injustice. Universal health care is a social injustice. All part of Agenda 21 policy.

Economic Prosperity

Public Private Partnerships (PPP). Special dealings between government and certain, chosen corporations which get tax breaks, grants and the government’s power of Eminent Domain to implement sustainable policy. Government-sanctioned monopolies.

Local Sustainable Development policies

Smart Growth, Wildlands Project, Resilient Cities, Regional Visioning Projects, STAR Sustainable Communities, Green jobs, Green Building Codes, “Going Green,” Alternative Energy, Local Visioning, facilitators, regional planning, historic preservation, conservation easements, development rights, sustainable farming, comprehensive planning, growth management, consensus.

Who is behind it?

ICLEI – Local Governments for Sustainability (formally, International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives). Communities pay ICLEI dues to provide “local” community plans, software, training, etc. Addition groups include American Planning Council, The Renaissance Planning Group, International City/ County Management Group, aided by US Mayors Conference, National Governors Association, National League of Cities, National Association of County Administrators and many more private organizations and official government agencies. Foundation and government grants drive the process.

Where did it originate?

The term Sustainable Development was first introduced to the world in the pages a 1987 report (Our Common Future) produced by the United Nations World Commission on Environmental and Development, authored by Gro Harlem Brundtland, VP of the World Socialist Party. The term was first offered as official UN policy in 1992, in a document called UN Sustainable Development Agenda 21, issued at the UN’s Earth Summit, today referred to simply as Agenda 21.

What gives Agenda 21 Ruling Authority?

More than 178 nations adopted Agenda 21 as official policy during a signing ceremony at the Earth Summit. US president George H.W. Bush signed the document for the US. In signing, each nation pledge to adopt the goals of Agenda 21. In 1995, President Bill Clinton, in compliance with Agenda 21, signed Executive Order #12858 to create the President’s Council on Sustainable Development in order to “harmonize” US environmental policy with UN directives as outlined in Agenda 21. The EO directed all agencies of the Federal Government to work with state and local community governments in a joint effort “reinvent” government using the guidelines outlined in Agenda 21. As a result, with the assistance of groups like ICLEI, Sustainable Development is now emerging as government policy in every town, county and state in the nation.

Revealing Quotes From the Planners

“Agenda 21 proposes an array of actions which are intended to be implemented by EVERY person on Earth…it calls for specific changes in the activities of ALL people… Effective execution of Agenda 21 will REQUIRE a profound reorientation of ALL humans, unlike anything the world has ever experienced… ” Agenda 21: The Earth Summit Strategy to Save Our Planet (Earthpress, 1993). Emphases – DR

Urgent to implement – but we don’t know what it is!

“The realities of life on our planet dictate that continued economic development as we know it cannot be sustained…Sustainable development, therefore is a program of action for local and global economic reform – a program that has yet to be fully defined.” The Local Agenda 21 Planning Guide, published by ICLEI, 1996.

“No one fully understands how or even, if, sustainable development can be achieved; however, there is growing consensus that it must be accomplished at the local level if it is ever to be achieved on a global basis.” The Local Agenda 21 Planning Guide, published by ICLEI, 1996.

Agenda 21 and Private Property

“Land…cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market. Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth, therefore contributes to social injustice.” From the report from the 1976 UN’s Habitat I Conference.

“Private land use decisions are often driven by strong economic incentives that result in several ecological and aesthetic consequences…The key to overcoming it is through public policy…” Report from the President’s Council on Sustainable Development, page 112.

“Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class – involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work air conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable.” Maurice Strong, Secretary General of the UN’s Earth Summit, 1992.

Reinvention of Government

“We need a new collaborative decision process that leads to better decisions, more rapid change, and more sensible use of human, natural and financial resources in achieving our goals.” Report from the President’s Council on Sustainable Development

“Individual rights will have to take a back seat to the collective.” Harvey Ruvin, Vice Chairman, ICLEI. The Wildlands Project

“We must make this place an insecure and inhospitable place for Capitalists and their projects – we must reclaim the roads and plowed lands, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres or presently settled land.” Dave Foreman, Earth First.

What is not sustainable?

Ski runs, grazing of livestock, plowing of soil, building fences, industry, single family homes, paves and tarred roads, logging activities, dams and reservoirs, power line construction, and economic systems that fail to set proper value on the environment.” UN’s Biodiversity Assessment Report.

Hide Agenda 21’s UN roots from the people

“Participating in a UN advocated planning process would very likely bring out many of the conspiracy- fixated groups and individuals in our society… This segment of our society who fear ‘one-world government’ and a UN invasion of the United States through which our individual freedom would be stripped away would actively work to defeat any elected official who joined ‘the conspiracy’ by undertaking LA21. So we call our process something else, such as comprehensive planning, growth management or smart growth.” J. Gary Lawrence, advisor to President Clinton’s Council on Sustainable Development.

http://antioligarch.wordpress.com/2011/07/11/agenda-21-in-one-easy-lesson/

PS - Politician - Adelaide’s Honourable ‘Ann Bressington’ Independent MLC (Member of Legislative Council) South Australia

Ann Bressington Exposes the UN, Club of Rome, Agenda 21 – Global Warming Lie (Adelaide Convention Centre)

Every single thing in this Speech is the TRUTH..!

(Only 20 mins long) 107,000 people have watched this so far...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sES6_OXPwOU

[Timreh]

Extremely important topic..
Good to see you pushing it again jackovesk

This is all about the Blueprint for the planned New World if anyone is unfamiliar with "Sustainable Development" please become familiar

Whether you are a Glen Beck fan or not here is a great interview discussing and detailing aspects of Agenda 21/Sustainable Development
rpLaLjeC1WU

[Timreh]

:bump:
I am bumping this thread..

[kanishk]

All my teachers always talk about Agenda21, supposing that most of the class is aware about it. But no we are not, most teachers talk about it all the time when teaching etc. and it goes out of everybody's head. Agenda 21 is common for them, well they never told us to read something about it first.

All the fact above in your post are the part of today's planning processes in India.

I had an opportunity to get gob in ICLEI, and now no jobs, no companies are coming, and regretting, don't know what is the future of planning field.

[kanishk]

Just last year I was doing my training were we are working on Rockefeller funded project of making small reports of 'Climate change vulnerability' or 'cities resilience'. In that all the cities, small towns are assessed so that they can be comparatively analyzed. But what we are doing is that filling in as much infrastructural deficiencies and problems we observe into the report. I asked about this project but they don's want to tell me more, said it was confidential. These reports will be used to give loans to the local governing bodies to develop their infrastructure.

[jackovesk]

All my teachers always talk about Agenda21, supposing that most of the class is aware about it. But no we are not, most teachers talk about it all the time when teaching etc. and it goes out of everybody's head. Agenda 21 is common for them, well they never told us to read something about it first.

All the fact above in your post are the part of today's planning processes in India.

I had an opportunity to get gob in ICLEI, and now no jobs, no companies are coming, and regretting, don't know what is the future of planning field.


Just last year I was doing my training were we are working on Rockefeller funded project of making small reports of 'Climate change vulnerability' or 'cities resilience'. In that all the cities, small towns are assessed so that they can be comparatively analyzed. But what we are doing is that filling in as much infrastructural deficiencies and problems we observe into the report. I asked about this project but they don's want to tell me more, said it was confidential. These reports will be used to give loans to the local governing bodies to develop their infrastructure.

Great feedback kanishk...:thumb:

May I ask what part of India you are from..?

[kanishk]

I am now in Ahmadabad, Gujrat, west India. But I am from Maharashtra, central India.

[jackovesk]

All my teachers always talk about Agenda21, supposing that most of the class is aware about it. But no we are not, most teachers talk about it all the time when teaching etc. and it goes out of everybody's head. Agenda 21 is common for them, well they never told us to read something about it first.

All the fact above in your post are the part of today's planning processes in India.

I had an opportunity to get gob in ICLEI, and now no jobs, no companies are coming, and regretting, don't know what is the future of planning field.


I am now in Ahmadabad, Gujrat, west India. But I am from Maharashtra, central India.

The reason I asked, was because I have travelled extensively throughout India i.e. Delhi, Agra, Jaipur, Jodhpur, Jaislamer, Mysore, stayed in the Lake Palace at Udaipur, Mumbai, Goa, Kochin, Bangalore, Calcutta, etc...

Fantastic Place, Warm friendly (Family Orientated) people...:)

That was back in 1996, just before India really took off as leading Nation from a Westerners stand point.

Much has changed since then, NOT FOR THE GOOD...:nono:

Why..?

Because of the NWO Globalists who have well and truly got there HOOKS stuck into beautiful India...:(

Monsanto Criminal Activities have robbed the Indian subsistance farmers of their livelihoods and over 200,000 of them have committed Suicide because of it (Extremely Sad)

The Family Values once held dear to the majority of Indians is slowly being eroded away on purpose (by NWO Design)

The innocence of Bollywood is now turning into and mimicking violent Hollywood...:faint:

kanishk, there is a lot of work for you young people to do in fight against the NWO Globalists TYRANNY who are slowly but surely ripping apart India's True Identity...

Can I suggest you (Learn) as much as you can about the likes of (Agenda 21, Monsanto, etc...) and start (spreading the word) amongst your peers, before it gets any worse...

You could start by Emailing this 'Thread's URL to your friends & family...

...and finally

Welcome to Avalon...:)

Regards,

jackovesk

:neo:

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Just last year I was doing my training were we are working on Rockefeller funded project of making small reports of 'Climate change vulnerability' or 'cities resilience'. In that all the cities, small towns are assessed so that they can be comparatively analyzed. But what we are doing is that filling in as much infrastructural deficiencies and problems we observe into the report. I asked about this project but they don's want to tell me more, said it was confidential. These reports will be used to give loans to the local governing bodies to develop their infrastructure.

Kanishk,

It may be wise to consider the motivation of any pro NWO (New World Order) organization, especially those that require confidentiality.

Loans to local governing bodies are one way to purchase influence, especially if the loans are difficult to pay back.

You may find it interesting to view Youtube videos of John Perkins (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=john+perkins&oq=john+perkins&gs_l=youtube.12..0l10.1975.9278.0.20629.14.10.0.4.4.0.1351.3943.3j3j2j7-2.10.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.GqiRrnaiPH8), author of Confessions Of An Economic Hit Man (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=confessions+of+an+economic+hitman&oq=confessions+of+an+&gs_l=youtube.1.0.0l8j0i3j0.118654.122769.0.127190.18.9.0.9.9.0.163.924.5j4.9.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.yout ube.GRa2ZNTp-4I), to see how loans are used to destroy countries, force them to give up freedom and force countries to sell their natural resources at below market value.

Debt can easily be used to enslave people, communities or nations. It is happening here too.

[CdnSirian]

This thread gives info to those who may be scratching their heads over the Todd Hathaway thread and some heat that has been stirred up by we-R-one's responses.

It's really worth a read - and thanks Pie!

[Ria]

I think this is a very good interview if you haven't seen it before.
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLxLeBGBs6E

Agenda 21 - Globalist Death Plan 4 Humanity

Published on Feb 10, 2013
Infowars - Agenda 21 - Globalist Death Plan 4 Humanity

What are your thought? Comment below.

Lord Monckton joins Aaron in-studio today, Wednesday, May 23. Monckton is a British politician, public speaker, former newspaper editor, and a spirited critic of the globalist theory of anthropogenic global warming. Mr. Monckton is in the United States to attend the libertarian Heartland Institute's conference in Chicago.

At the U.N. Summit at Rio in 1992, the Conference Secretary-General, Maurice Strong, said "Isn't the only hope for this planet that the industrialized civilization collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?"

"The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we
came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages,
famine and the like would fit the bill. // The real enemy then is humanity itself.
- From the Club of Rome's "The First Global Revolution" p. 75 1993
http://archive.org/stream/TheFirstGlo...

[Ria]

important information if you don't have it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCU5sfmU8kU

UN Agenda 21 - EXPLAINED
Published on May 14, 2013
For more information go to: www.sustainablefreedomlab.org

YouTube text:





This detailed presentation clearly explains the connection between sustainable development and Agenda 21 as defined by the UN. In depth research shows how Agenda 21 will ultimately compromise your property rights.

Regarding Ms. Bruntdland: Some have suggested she is merely a Democrat and I am way off base. First off, Norway does not have a Democratic Party, but rather Socialist democrats. Hopefully there is a difference. Internet research can be a challenge, so I respect those who engage in it! However, check out the XX Congress of the Socialist International in NY. Gro was the first VP of the Socialist International whose goal is to interact with labour, social democrats and socialists worldwide to spread the socialist concept of democracy. It is quite possible to be member of the Democratic Party and a Socialist at the same time. It is members like Gro whose desire it is to move the Democratic party more toward the Social Democratic Party.

I also want to thank "6or8pack" for pointing out my error in mentioning that Betty Perry's nose was injured by handcuffs. In fact, she slipped during her interaction with officers and hit her nose on the steps. Betty was aware of local ordinances, but chose to ignore them. This landed her in the holding pen. This error is mine.

Some have suggested they have "read Agenda 21 " and there is nothing dangerous in the book and besides, the document has no power to override their Constitutional right to own and control private property.

To read the book alone, without reading the preceeding and following documentation and activites would be somewhat like looking at a map of Brazil and feeling you now know how Brazilians think and feel.

The name A21 refers not only to the actual book, but to the entire sustainable development movement as defined by the United Nations dating back to the 1970's through today. That is why it is important to not only listen to the entire video, but research on your own to gain more information. Since this presentation was completed vast new volumes of information have been compiled. Check the sources in the back of the presentation and the United Nation's own websites to draw your own conclusions.

[Atlas]

Ann Bressington exposes Agenda 21, Club of Rome, Sustainable Development, at the Lord Monckton Launch 2 Feb 2013 at the Adelaide Convention Centre :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo5n4zeEetg

[ktlight]

Very important and very interesting, Ria.

[Bill Ryan]

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From http://planet.infowars.com/preparedness/agenda-21-latest-news

http://truth-out.org/images/112312agenda_.jpg
Front cover to Agenda 21
(Photo: United Nations / Wikipedia)





This United Nations program lays out a comprehensive plan of sustainable development locally, nationally, and globally in every area where humans affect the environment.

Basically, it’s the UN’s plan to establish control over all human activity, including man’s reputed contribution to climate change.

The UN is at the hub of a global network working to submerge the independence of all nations in a world government controlled by the elite.


[From Bill]

It's Problem-Reaction-Solution, yet again.

There are legitimate, urgent concerns about population, the environment, climate change, and the use and abuse of finite resources.

But these concerns are being used to justify more and more restrictive, hierarchical control over every aspect of human activity and resource ownership. And resource ownership even extends to the trees in your garden.

Dr Bill Deagle has stated as long ago as December 2006 that the entire world is now supercomputer-modeled. That means very building, every vehicle, every shipment of every salable object, every personal movement, every personal profile, every financial transaction, every communication.

It all goes into the model, which is used for predictive forecasting and the identification of the optimum control protocols -- all played out like a supergiant chess computer. It was probably even predicted that I would make this post...

:)

There will be levels of access to this very detailed information. Not all agencies have it all. But it's all there, ready to be harvested. Agenda 21, as best I understand, is the legitimization, through PR, that all this is needed and justified.

[superconsciousness]

I posted something but I need to watch the whole video before I write anything and I don't know how to delete this. sorry....

[nomadguy]

A very important piece of this puzzle is to make water, air and carbon commodities.
Weather(modification), Water(filtration, delivery, storage), Farming(food/fiber)

The goal appears to be the conception of a new marketplace built on new technology with a new world currency to go with it. All of these efforts, in my view, will lead to the ruination of our humanity, our society and quite possibly the Earth itself.
The creators and backers of this plan will argue that it is all safe and HAS to happen. Fear is being ratcheted up in the MSM and in some of the alternative media to push the group mind awareness into a corner. Then they reach out with a hand and the solution. This is simply another clever way to walk the lambs down the hallway into the slaughterhouse.

One ways this PR agenda is working to bamboozle the public is to change ~by slight after slight-overtime, the meaning of words and phrases we already know and use. Like the word "sustainable" to note just one example.

[araucaria]

It was probably even predicted that I would make this post...

Hence unpredictability, aka creativity, is of the essence. We can do that :)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

"All Roads of Injustice Lead to Agenda 21"

The speaker is Rosa Koire, the author of "Behind the Green Mask" which explains what Agenda 21 really is. Rosa Koire is a Democrat speaking before a group of Tea Party Members. UN Agenda 21 doesnt discriminate based on Political Affiliation, Race, Sexuality, Creedo or whatever. Agenda 21 is about the Extermination of Mankind and Ultimate Control for those that are left. Those in power know that they cannot follow through on their plans unless Liberty, Money and Property are taken away. This is in their own literature and UN Agenda 21 DEMANDS Zero Economic Growth.

Agenda 21 is about World Dominance and nothing else. The Wars, Attack of Christians, Attack of God & Religion, Chemtrails, Economic and Monetary Collapse, Government Corruption, Carbon Taxes, Gun Control, CORPORATE Owned Media, UFO Sham, Erosion of Rights, Lies About Global Warming, Lies About Overpopulation, Perversion of Societal Values, Dumbing Down, Drugs, Substandard K-12 Education, Monsanto, are all a result of the Mandates set forth by U.N. Agenda 21.

At the Rio 2012 Summit on UN Agenda 21, it was stated that "Governments should invest their transportation money on Public Transportation because roadways only largely benefit those that own vehicles". Really? I thought Roadways benefitted the Economy and Society as a Whole. Roadways get us to and from work, to grocery stores, to the bank, to restaurants, to shopping malls. Roadways transport our food and things we need. The UN intends to Impede our Right to Travel and Pursuit of Happiness.

As far as the Middle East Wars go, Reagan demonstrated that war is unnecessary. When Khadaffi was openly threatening us, Reagan bombed his house and we didn't hear much from him after that. The other middle east countries quickly fell in line and repaired their relations with us. With the technology we have today, and that includes Intelligence, Satellite, SDI, Drones and DEWS, we could take out the hostile leaders of these countries without having to go to war.

How did it come to this? It all started with the Fabian Society and the Act of 1871, where Congress created the DC Corporation & created a new Constitution, then the FEDERAL US GOVERNMENT became a Corporation. As the largest Corporate Conglomerate on the planet, the US GOVERNMENT owns majority shares in ALL of THE Fortune 500 Companies and their CAFR reports prove this (See the channel belonging to CorporationNation "Dear Matt Damon" videos). The Act of 1871 was not only Unconstitutional, but is INVALID. The FED GOVERNMENT we have today is the De Facto, or Shadow Government. But, we cannot do anything about that now but we can put a halt to the Ultimate Goal, which is this Evil Agenda and then begin to put this Great Country of ours back together and reverse the treasonous legislation. We must also OUST anyone who showed any inkling of support for UN Agenda 21. UN Agenda 21 has been in the works for decades, now, and is the primary reason for the corruption & depravity we see everywhere today at all levels.

Don't let yourselves be fooled - everything else is a smokescreen to keep your attention away from Agenda 21. Once Agenda 21 becomes fully implemented, all hope is lost. Get the information out to your neighbors, home owners, business owners. Chances are, they have never heard of UN Agenda 21. Since Agenda 21 is implemented Locally, once the people are mobilized, they can take the issue to their City Council and County and put a halt to all policies, monies and ties to UN Agenda 21 and ICLEI.

We cannot change the past but we can affect tomorrow by the actions we take Today.

IF WE CAN ABOLISH AGENDA 21 WE CAN BEGIN TO FIX OUR NATION AND RESTORE THE ORIGINAL CONSTITUTION AND HAVE THE GOVERNMENT "OF THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE" .

GoMaYJwLyu4

[superconsciousness]

The basis of this agenda against agenda 21 appears to be about rights of property owners? As far as a UN resolution, that is non-binding on a sovereign nation.
So the principles here of sustainability are the pathway to poverty and marshall law? How about Nestle corporation that wants to privatize all the world water, with no rights to the general population.

How about Monsanto owning the patent on seeds? Are they part of Agenda 21?

Why is lowering your energy usage a bad thing? We're currently working with a national grid that is vulnerable and mostly uses coal and dirty fuels to power it. The US uses 25% of the worlds resources at the expense of the rest of the world. We used to have awesome public transportation - this was dismantled by the OIL/GAS interests together with the AUTOMOBILE industry.

Water has been siphoned and is being siphoned for Energy USE, we use LIQUID FUELS, so that we can drive our individual cars and this is some kind of American dream. Let's fight wars so we can drive our cars!

What's wrong with thinking about helping your community or working toward the common good? That's a bad thing? Check the numbers on national resources - we are gluttonous and incredibly wasteful in the way we use resources. It's not smart and the way it works now cannot last without more wars.

With all respect - Please somebody tell me - in a non-sarcastic manner - because I'm watching this video of Rosa Koire and it's so derisive - why the Agenda against Agenda 21 is not funded by the large corporate interests - factory farming - Big Chemical - Big Oil and Gas - etc - that have insidiously taken over this country?

[Bill Ryan]

The basis of this agenda against agenda 21 appears to be about rights of property owners? As far as a UN resolution, that is non-binding on a sovereign nation.
So the principles here of sustainability are the pathway to poverty and marshall law? How about Nestle corporation that wants to privatize all the world water, with no rights to the general population.

How about Monsanto owning the patent on seeds? Are they part of Agenda 21?

Why is lowering your energy usage a bad thing? We're currently working with a national grid that is vulnerable and mostly uses coal and dirty fuels to power it. The US uses 25% of the worlds resources at the expense of the rest of the world. We used to have awesome public transportation - this was dismantled by the OIL/GAS interests together with the AUTOMOBILE industry.

Water has been siphoned and is being siphoned for Energy USE, we use LIQUID FUELS, so that we can drive our individual cars and this is some kind of American dream. Let's fight wars so we can drive our cars!

What's wrong with thinking about helping your community or working toward the common good? That's a bad thing? Check the numbers on national resources - we are gluttonous and incredibly wasteful in the way we use resources. It's not smart and the way it works now cannot last without more wars.

With all respect - Please somebody tell me - in a non-sarcastic manner - because I'm watching this video of Rosa Koire and it's so derisive - why the Agenda against Agenda 21 is not funded by the large corporate interests - factory farming - Big Chemical - Big Oil and Gas - etc - that have insidiously taken over this country?


Hi, Nora, and many thanks -- everything you say is 100% correct and relevant. We're in very deep trouble on this planet, and we need good solutions, right now.

But (see my post #6 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15816-Agenda-21-EXPLAINED-and-what-you-can-do-about-it.&p=714889&viewfull=1#post714889) above):






It's Problem-Reaction-Solution, yet again.

There are legitimate, urgent concerns about population, the environment, climate change, and the use and abuse of finite resources.

But these concerns are being used to justify more and more restrictive, hierarchical control over every aspect of human activity and resource ownership. And resource ownership even extends to the trees in your garden.

Dr Bill Deagle has stated as long ago as December 2006 that the entire world is now supercomputer-modeled. That means very building, every vehicle, every shipment of every salable object, every personal movement, every personal profile, every financial transaction, every communication.

It all goes into the model, which is used for predictive forecasting and the identification of the optimum control protocols -- all played out like a supergiant chess computer. It was probably even predicted that I would make this post...

:)

There will be levels of access to this very detailed information. Not all agencies have it all. But it's all there, ready to be harvested. Agenda 21, as best I understand, is the legitimization, through PR, that all this is needed and justified.

[Cristian]

Basically, it’s the UN’s plan to establish control over all human activity, including man’s reputed contribution to climate change.

The UN is at the hub of a global network working to submerge the independence of all nations in a world government controlled by the elite.[


Hi Bill,

I think I missed your opinion on global warming. Do you think is man made or a natural cycle used to spread fear and enforce control? Or a little bit of both?

Second, I see the Kyoto treaty as a tool that allows them to enforce more rules and control.

So what is your point in this article? http://www.serendipity.li/fe/ryan_disclosure_project.htm

Is the world going to be a better place if the U.S. ratifies the Kyoto Protocol?

What is this global warming after all?

Why are we so focused on free energy ...when it is obvious we have to deal with and remove all this evil on this Planet before we can implement free energy - if there is really such a thing.
Free energy or not we can be happy and we can be so much more without them around.

[Octavusprime]

Why are we so focused on free energy ...when it is obvious we have to deal with and remove all this evil on this Planet before we can implement free energy - if there is really such a thing.
Free energy or not we can be happy and we can be so much more without them around.

Because the key to defeating evil is to break their control over us. The control ultimately comes down to our dependence on energy be it electrical or combustible. Free energy, DIY gas, solar etc is key to removing the shackles. By taking away their power and influence we destroy them without a single shot fired.. Although we all know they won't go down without a fight.

Nora, I think the major issue is not with sustainable energy but in the underlying goal of moving all humans to cities (forced containment) and then government acquisition of all rural/wild land. The thinking is once they own all resources of land, water, oil and minerals they have free rein to completely control all aspects of our lives. Having us penned up in a city makes control that much easier. With extermination through "natural disaster" or "terrorist acts" a now simplified task.

The corrupt and powerful want it all and using "sustainability goals" as a cover for the complete and final take over is a brilliant scheme.

Now I agree that we need sustainability. But not at the expense of my free will. So in essence I think we need to think global and act local. Agenda 21 seems a takeover of free will and all public resources by associating it all with a globally recognized need for a more sustainable means of living. Acting globally to control us locally.

I fear once the real goal is achieved that the oil barons, chemical conglomerates and dirty energy mongrels will just come in and do what they've been doing for millennia.... Charge us for the things we want and need. And when money isn't worth much I'm sure our lives will do.

[Atlas]

www.un.org/gmun (http://www.un.org/gmun) wrote:

Sustainable Development: Advancing human progress in harmony with natureBarcelona:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/cities/barcelona.jpg
Mexico city:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/cities/mexico-city.jpg
Sao Paulo:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/cities/sao-paolo.jpg
Shangai:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/cities/shangai1.jpg
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In harmony with nature....? Well I think this is a good idea.

[Atlas]

The control ultimately comes down to our dependence on energy
World Bank Group President Jim Yong Kim and UN Secretary General Ban-Ki-Moon:
By 2030, we will provide energy access to all the people around the worldl271GW9AAww

[Bill Ryan]

Basically, it’s the UN’s plan to establish control over all human activity, including man’s reputed contribution to climate change.

The UN is at the hub of a global network working to submerge the independence of all nations in a world government controlled by the elite.


Hi Bill,

I think I missed your opinion on global warming. Do you think is man made or a natural cycle used to spread fear and enforce control? Or a little bit of both?

Both in combination -- I think.


Second, I see the Kyoto treaty as a tool that allows them to enforce more rules and control.



Yes, you may be right. I genuinely do not know for sure.


So what is your point in this article? http://www.serendipity.li/fe/ryan_disclosure_project.htm

That's a blast from the past! The very first article I ever wrote on the internet... several years before Camelot, and also before the Disclosure Project was taken over (or before I knew it had been). Quite well-written, too -- I'd not seen it for a long time.

My point was this, when I wrote it (from the article):






It may be that the final piece of this jigsaw puzzle comes into view when we consider the possibility that the Kyoto treaty deliberately remains unsigned in order to maximise the problem we all face. Knowing full well that planetary oil reserves will run dry in our own lifetimes (and this is nowhere better presented than in The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight, by Thom Hartmann), the scenario may well be to let the wells run dry; let there be power shortages, epidemics, starvation, and riots on the street; and then roll out the free energy generators that they have had secreted away all this time ... with the US as the saviour, and also in total control of the big bail-out.

[Delight]

If there's something I'm missing - please elucidate me. This is very concerning on both sides and appears to be a SERIOUS AGENDA to BREAK UP ANY ATTEMPTS TO IMPROVE THE WAY WE POWER OUR SELVES. To me, and to those I have worked alongside, the goal and the mission has always been to bring the tools of POWER TO THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, in harmony with our national security - clean water, air and earth.
Thanks for the conversatation about sustainability and other matters. I am posting this here because Nora is talking about Agenda 21 here.
If it should be moved, please mods move the post?

What is harmonious from the collective stand point is tyrannical if the individual wanting power to do something is at odds with the group. Maybe it would be harmonious to keep the land "pristine" but if things are enacted to say "sustainable" has regulations and we must comply, we need a very good reason and a local way to arbitrate for sense.

The local community is my interest too and I feel overwhelmed at times by the complexity because the "leadership" is looking as if from a perspective way off the ground. They have been persuaded they are the "keepers" of government, not the people's voice.

I have been looking at Agenda 21 for a few years and trying to put it in context.
This is what wikipedia says:

Agenda 21 is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development.[1] It is a product of the UN Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, in 1992. It is an action agenda for the UN, other multilateral organizations, and individual governments around the world that can be executed at local, national, and global levels. The "21" in Agenda 21 refers to the 21st Century. It has been affirmed and modified at subsequent UN conferences.


It was under most people's radar until recently. In my region, commissions are advising local government to enact regulations about land use. These are appearing as laws that show up like for "emergency management". When one looks carefully, these "laws" were crafted by a nongovernmental agency that can be tied back to a network of persuasion with an agenda. The local commissioners where I live are led to believe (or at least use that excuse) that some larger "government" like the state and the "Feds" (Big Brother we all must obey) says we have to do this "law" to GET FUNDING.

The end result is that without vigilance, we get laws that prevent at least a few people from using their land. Yes, there have been abuses by land owners and yet some of the big abuses have happened in forests and in watersheds owned by the Government.

This has become very ridiculous in a few cases I have known. It is the extremes that get reported on and in the middle is lots of tedious flack too. There is usefulness in the proposals for 21st century sustainable measures also.

The concern with verbiage is because words and concepts are co-opted and people have no time and energy to sort all the nuances so just use their affiliation to define the concepts. A few activist friends who see "A21" as 100% GOOD refuse to discuss the Agenda 21 issue with me (well, Me too as it becomes senseless).

Someone self identified as liberal and progressive (verbiage) sees complaints about Agenda 21 from people like Glen Beck and reacts "who in her right mind is going to be against protecting the environment?" I don't have any Glen Beck supportive friends and I have a hard time with him but that is not to say we should not listen to the bottom line...who will have the say about our bodies, our home, family and communities?

When I look at the map proclaimed to determine ultimate purposing in A21, people where I live would be removed. That has happened before to my family actually in the early 20th century in Tennessee.

The Great Smokey Mountain Park was established in 1934. There were people living there like my husbands grandparents who were removed. They were white and the same had happened to the nonwhite natives in the same region so there IS precedent for REMOVAL in the name of a "higher" manifest destiny.


Great Smoky Mountains National Park is a United States National Park and UNESCO World Heritage Site that straddles the ridgeline of the Great Smoky Mountains, part of the Blue Ridge Mountains, which are a division of the larger Appalachian Mountain chain. The border between Tennessee and North Carolina runs northeast to southwest through the centerline of the park. It is the most visited national park in the United States.[3] On its route from Maine to Georgia, the Appalachian Trail also passes through the center of the park. The park was chartered by the United States Congress in 1934 and officially dedicated by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt in 1940.[4] It encompasses 522,419 acres (816.28 sq mi; 2,114.15 km2),[1] making it one of the largest protected areas in the eastern United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Smoky_Mountains_National_Park

http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/agenda21.jpeg

[gripreaper]

The basis of this agenda against agenda 21 appears to be about rights of property owners?

There are essentially no property rights. Allodial lawful title is held by the state. Only warranty deeds, the right to possession as long as you remain a good little slave, are allocated to the masses.


As far as a UN resolution, that is non-binding on a sovereign nation.

The UNITED STATES is a corporation, which is in bankruptcy, all assets and human capital pledged as collateral for this bankruptcy. We are under a military state of emergency, all sovereign immunity has been suspended.


So the principles here of sustainability are the pathway to poverty and marshall law?

Yes, potentially. One needs to look at the hidden government and economy and why the US was "allowed" to prosper in the last 80 years and why the elite are tearing it down now.


How about Nestle corporation that wants to privatize all the world water, with no rights to the general population. How about Monsanto owning the patent on seeds? Are they part of Agenda 21?

Nestle and Monsanto are part of a a global corporatocracy whose shareholders are the same elite who have controlling interests in all of the means of production worldwide. These elite have no national affiliation or make any decisions based on nation states. Those boundaries are just for us slaves to create divisiveness amongst us so that wars can be fomented. Same with religion.


Why is lowering your energy usage a bad thing? We're currently working with a national grid that is vulnerable and mostly uses coal and dirty fuels to power it. The US uses 25% of the worlds resources at the expense of the rest of the world. We used to have awesome public transportation - this was dismantled by the OIL/GAS interests together with the AUTOMOBILE industry.

Lowering one's energy usage within the context of the existing paradigm is not a bad thing. Running cars on hydrogen extracted from water can work, but the one ingredient needed to do so is illegal. Using opposing magnet technology to spin an armature which generates power could be implemented and installed on every individual house. But why is it not? Because the corporatocracy wont let it.


What's wrong with thinking about helping your community or working toward the common good?

Nothing. Decentralization and self sufficiency is tantamount to going against the beast and remaining powerful as individuals. Decentralization is strongly encouraged around here.


With all respect - Please somebody tell me - in a non-sarcastic manner - because I'm watching this video of Rosa Koire and it's so derisive - why the Agenda against Agenda 21 is not funded by the large corporate interests - factory farming - Big Chemical - Big Oil and Gas - etc - that have insidiously taken over this country?

It could be. Within the Hegelian dialectic of "problem, reaction, solution" both sides of the dialectic are controlled to bring about a new synthesis. This has also been discussed quite extensively here at Avalon.

We need a larger context. The Tesla energy technology which has been around for 100 years, is not based on any current models. It travels 100,000 miles per second faster then the speed of light and requires no wires and comes straight from the earth, unlimited. So, now oil and electricity becomes obsolete.

Water? Look into NAWAPA and the Financing Statement against the Federal Reserve for 14 trillion, blocking NAWAPA. Avail yourself of the threads on this subject too.

Welcome to the biggest rabbit hole known to man, Avalon.

[kanishk]

Agenda 21 in India

Agenda 21 - An Assessment
By- Ministry of Environment and Forests, Government of India
http://www.moef.nic.in/divisions/ic/wssd/doc2/main.html
Foreword by the Prime Minister of India
http://www.anonmgur.com/up/a82475c4e6427f93553b91ccf766e4f4.jpg

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Agenda 21 in India – Bribery First, Blackmail Later, Bullets at Last
By - ShelleyKasli

https://greatgameindia.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/agenda-21-in-india-bribery-first-blackmail-later-bullets-at-last/

https://greatgameindia.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/agenda-21-in-india-greatgameindia.png

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[BMJ]

Thanks kanishk,

From the greatgameindia website, the video below:

Agenda 21 For Dummies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOERWe0qX68

Very interesting comment at 7.47 secs.

Quote: "Generally, more highly educated people, who have higher incomes, consume more resources than poorly educated people who tend to have lower income. In this case, more education increases the threat to sustainability."

[superconsciousness]

Thanks for the elucidation Gripreaper. It all appears quite terrible and insidious. I will do some more on the ground investigation when the school year begins. I know a lot of people using the sustainability language who have no idea about any of this and are doing good work.

However, I am likewise disturbed by the anti Agenda 21 objective to organize and derail and ridicule against anyone who says they are into community sustainability, doing energy audits, etc ...as laid out in the first post here.

It seems like the whole body and frame has been set up for people who agree with each other to fight each other.

[Bill Ryan]

Thanks kanishk,

From the greatgameindia website, the video below:

Agenda 21 For Dummies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOERWe0qX68

Very interesting comment at 7.47 secs.

Quote: "Generally, more highly educated people, who have higher incomes, consume more resources than poorly educated people who tend to have lower income. In this case, more education increases the threat to sustainability."

I'd say that was a non sequitur. (Latin: 'it does not follow'.)

Affluent people certainly consume more resources. Affluent people also tend to be more highly educated (or affluent because they're highly educated).

But it doesn't therefore mean that educaton increases the threat to sustainability -- with the implication that the answer is to dumb everyone down! :)

[gripreaper]

It seems like the whole body and frame has been set up for people who agree with each other to fight each other.

You've hit on a very salient point, one which is the oldest trick in the book for those who wish to control the masses. Religions, nation/states, and all permutations of divisiveness have been established to do just that...divide and conquer.

[ulli]

Sustainability is in the interest of all groups, including the elite.

It means that all healthy and mature people find and maintain a level of independence,
and can take care of themselves, especially in poor rural areas.
It is debatable, however, what methods to use to get them there...
and all methods represent some form of interference
whether they be in the form of education, or subsidies.

[sdv]

Thanks kanishk,

From the greatgameindia website, the video below:

Agenda 21 For Dummies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOERWe0qX68

Very interesting comment at 7.47 secs.

Quote: "Generally, more highly educated people, who have higher incomes, consume more resources than poorly educated people who tend to have lower income. In this case, more education increases the threat to sustainability."

Yes, first-world countries such as USA consume far more than developing countries, but to equate this with education (advancement, being more civilized) is not correct in my experience. Some of the most educated people I know walk more softly on this Earth and acknowledge that all in nature has as much right to be here as we do, and that all in nature is not simply a resource to be used by humans.

Imagine a world in which the light of the sun is dimmed by polluted skies, where animals only exist to feed humans, and the same for plants, where mountains are destroyed to make room for more human habitation, where everything on this earth is seen as something to be consumed by humans in exponential expansion and consumerism.

I was peripherally involved in the original Agenda 21 gathering. The movement was inspired by activists who want to honour and live in harmony with nature. (Ironically 14-year-olds in the developing world know more about, and engage in intelligent conversation about, Agenda 21 and the Kyoto Protocol and the non-nuclear goals of NAM, and so on, than Americans and Brits and EU folk do!)

Ironically, when Agenda 21 finally reached the consciousness of the developed world it was attacked.

Property rights? How can we own a tree or soil or a stream? (Owning property means having an exclusive use right, a right which you can sell or pass on as inheritance, and a right that can be taken away, as in Zimbabwe and now South Africa for political reasons, or by the government or a corporation because of financial reasons, but do we own that tree because we are more powerful than that tree?) Do we have the right to destroy that tree if we so wish to do so? Yes, as human beings we do have freedom of choice, but what do we do with this?

And do we have the right to do whatever the hell we want to if it causes harm to others?

I live in a province where there is a law that says that alien vegetation must be destroyed, so if you have a tree on your land that is classified as alien, you have to remove it. The alien vegetation guzzles ground water and acts as destructive fireballs when there are summer wildfires. Is this a bad law or a good law? Most people I know comply because they want to preserve groundwater and to reduce the destructiveness of wildfires in summer. There are many indigenous trees that we can have on our land so is it really a violation of our personal rights as property owners that we are forced by law to remove alien trees? We can still have trees, but only trees that are in harmony with the area in which we live. Why would someone want to have trees on their property that guzzle groundwater (thus depriving indigenous vegetation of water) and are a huge fire hazard? Most people are too stupid to care (and then expect handouts when they experience the consequences), so there are laws.

We need that thread on the archon influence because there is destructive evil that is creating havoc in this world. Personally I think that without this archon influence, humans would want to live in harmony on this awesome planet, and we would not even need Agenda 21 because those would be principles that we live by naturally.

[Vangelo]

Red Ice Radio - Rosa Koire - Hour 1 - Behind the Green Mask: Agenda 21
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Here is some more information from Rosa Koire, a forensic real estate appraiser specializing in eminent domain valuation. Her research into and fight against redevelopment led her to UN Agenda 21 and was the genesis to co-found the Santa Rosa Neighborhood Coalition, Democrats Against UN Agenda 21, and the Post Sustainability Institute. She has been speaking and inspiring groups nationally to take action. She is the author of Behind The Green Mask. Don't miss this important program as Rosa details how Agenda 21 is being used to transition the world into a global totalitarian state where one must pay to live. She'll explain how this agenda is the biggest public relation scam in history. We'll cover how this plan is designed to destroy the individual, create scarcity and make us vulnerable to control. Rosa talks about the ideology of Communitarianism, which is similar to Communist China, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.

[Theseus]

My first post on here on Avalon :]
Hope you found this as thought provoking as i did.. Especially that NASA document,Its 10 years old... But seems to me its still very much alive, Along with the subversionary tatctics and active war against the public it entails..
And it scares me.. im not easily shaken but this ones taking the cake for me this week..
Im pretty sure we are all aware of depop plans and structured government.. but these 2 things seem to border the extreme.. And it reminded me that this is a threat not to be forgotton or overlooked.


This video disturbed me a little.. you may have to watch it twice to catch everything that he says.... That room should not be empty. It should be full of people questioning the integrity of these measures... It sounds like they know something we dont??? hmm. whatever it is.. its big.. I realize that all of this may be cleverly structured to sound like Anti terrorism.. but i fear who the real terrorists might turn out to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IhlNK3hEeE#t



And this video is twice as disturbing... NASA's take on the advancement of the human race? They refer to us as cattle.. More Agenda 21 tailored type planning im going to asume.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN4XICOyRb8

[Theseus]

Talk about 2 juicy videos.. right? FEMA buying even more coffins :/ I know they put out fear in waves.. But this one aint lookin like a stunt so much.. I think something draws near for the American people.

[Kristin]

Welcome to Avalon. Thank you for the video links.
From the Heart,
Kristin

LOL, this first video appears to be a dubbed voice over with a great message. Nice sense of humour.

The second video has in fact been posted before, however it is excellent. You can always do a search for the URL before posting to see if it' s been used before. However, I'm eager to hear more of your opinions on the subject. Great first post!

[Realeyes]

Hello Theseus,
Welcome!
You have sure arrived at 'the' Forum filled with information, aliveness and fine thinking folk.
May it be like a second home to you. :hug:
Love & Blessings
Realeyes
Ps, thanks for the video links

[GreenGuy]

Hello Theseus. I agree, great first post! You're gonna have a ball mining the material at Avalon. Welcome to the rabbit hole!

[Soulboy]

Hi Theseus,

welcome to Avalon. The second video has been thoroughly debunked a few months ago and again a month after it first appeared. The document they use is not authentic. I am not sure if the same applies to the first video.

[Lefty Dave]

Hi Theseus,

welcome to Avalon. The second video has been thoroughly debunked a few months ago and again a month after it first appeared. The document they use is not authentic. I am not sure if the same applies to the first video.


When you say debunked...are you saying the video is fraudulant? Are you saying the document does not or never did exist? Are you implying the presenters are lying? Would you please document to us the debunking information?
Appreciate it.
end of line.

[Milneman]

What they said. :)

Welcome to the jungle!

[Atlas]

Hi Theseus,

welcome to Avalon. The second video has been thoroughly debunked a few months ago and again a month after it first appeared. The document they use is not authentic. I am not sure if the same applies to the first video.

When you say debunked...are you saying the video is fraudulant? Are you saying the document does not or never did exist? Are you implying the presenters are lying? Would you please document to us the debunking information?
Appreciate it.
end of line.
Here you go:

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Yes -- it's a hoax. It's not a real NASA document.

The information may be valid (or partially valid). But not the document.


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I'm 98% sure this is a forged document. No academic or scientist makes presentations like this (there are many anomalies, if one looks very carefully). This stuff is also not NASA's province at all, and never has been.

I've not been able to find it on any military site (also looked on http://archive.org in case it'd been deleted. Nothing there.) This does *NOT* mean that the information may not be valid. But I'm as sure as I can be that the presentation has been concocted.




If you ask me, I think the document is a plant.


Yes, I'm almost completely sure that's what it is.




Here are three posts by Bill Ryan, doubting the legitimacy of this document called "Future Strategic Issues/Future Warfare [Circa 2025]: The Future is Now":

The Future is NOW - Nasa Document [Vid] -- Post #68 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60421-NASA-and-TPTW-have-declared-war-on-us-and-there-s-proof-&p=695341&viewfull=1#post695341)
Giant exercise off the east coast of the US. A full blown invasion DRILL -- Post #109 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60476-Giant-exercise-off-the-east-coast-of-the-US.-A-full-blown-invasion-DRILL&p=695138&viewfull=1#post695138)
NASA: The End Of Mankind "Leaked Document" 2013 -- Post #79 (just above) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?60421-NASA-and-TPTW-have-declared-war-on-us-and-there-s-proof-&p=712737&viewfull=1#post712737)

[Theseus]

Hi Theseus,

welcome to Avalon. The second video has been thoroughly debunked a few months ago and again a month after it first appeared. The document they use is not authentic. I am not sure if the same applies to the first video.


It depends on your defininition of debunked, most of the radio frequency's food and media are doing the job that document has outlined....
So although the document might not be a complete reality let me asure you enough of it is playing out for us in real life, not fiction.. Agenda 21 is a serious threat to us all.

[Shezbeth]

I can't speak to the second video.

The first video is care of the folks at The Onion (notice the onion logo next to the 'span'). It's a news satire organization.

[Soulboy]

Thanks Buares, for posting the info while I was offline over here.

Theseus, my definition of debunked roughly translates to "has been shown to be nonsense/ fabrication/ exaggeration/ untruth". I am aware of what a threat Agenda 21 is, but come on, this presentation document smeels funny. It's inconsistent, follows a poor logical thread and most of the topics mentioned would never be dealt with by our so-called space agency. It's pretty obvious, really. This is not to say that at least some of the topics it deals with are a very real concern and should not be taken lightly. All I'm saying is that the document in question is not genuine/ authentic...



The first one being from the Onion is even more obvious. I agree regarding your food comment. Something stupid like 85% of US food production would not be allowed to be imported into Europe as it is considered unsafe to consume due to GMOs. They were trying to change that with the help of the TPP recently, which luckily got out in public early enough, mostly thanks to Wikileaks. They are probably dreaming up a new 3-4 letter acronym for a similar horrific programme as we speak to try and introduce it the next time nobody is watching or speeding off to their holidays in the EU parliament (if it even deserves this term).

[Theseus]

Well for a moment look at the parts of the document that have truth to them.
The chem trails altering the soil.
The low frequency emission attacks on your brains literally, fluoride , and other food and water contamination , making petrol more toxic, The cell towers,The tobacco industry. Do not even get me started on Pharma.. And the other multitude of things they are doing to dehabilitate brain function.
We are under constant satellite influence, our phones our TV's. Even the teflon coating you cook with has been designed to specifically harm you, You can kill your parakeets by putting them next to a teflon pan while your cooking. I mean jesus even the cans you get your food in are leaching poisons into the food, i mean... there are countless little things. Not to mention the big things..

Part of the reason why bankers incite war is so they can kill off the population to relieve debt they have incurred from exploiting the system.. And the substances and ammunition's used in the wars cause degenerative effects on future generations.. people quit having kids in some war torn regions because of mutations.. Another sick way of killing people off.. they dont care how they do it just that they do.
Your talking about people that are selected to run their institutions based on a psychological profile of a complete lack of ethics or morality or remorse .
lol do i have to tell stories about Halliburton too? before people can step back and have a change of perception and accept what these people do to us.. You have to step outside of the box and look at it from another prespective and try encompass howmany projects there are out there. They are literally at war with us. Ive been looking for a week for a video of a politician that spoke out against the obama administration saying that they are using various types of psi and chem warfare against us and he was just murdered.. for the life of me i cannot find his name or the video again. Anyway

There are countless acts of subversive warfare being employed on us. I made it a passion to find out.. And no my info normally isnt coming from video's like this i try and read military sourced documents. Ive read things ... where they were using dial tone pulses from phones to tell the brain to stop the heart... lol.
This is the military we are talking about they have the smartest minds in the world and nearly unlimited funding to come up with this stuff.. And it would have to be 100 different ways they would carry this out otherwise it would be detectable.. or its just somany things that people would claim the person was paranoid.
Black projects are just what my thing is.. Ive done mountains of reading on them and heard a lot of testimonials of those who worked in or for the construction of those programs. Ive even ended up with a few dozen top secret documents that describe the implementation of these kinds of weapons and warfare. I was sort of obsessed with finding out exactly what and how much of it is really out there. They regaurd us as items or subjects.. expendable resource.

I was abducted and put through a psi ops program when i was in grade school... I can speak from experience about just how much they really give a #@%# on how they treat citizens and even children. Its not a reality that you want to face nor an easy reality to accept but you have to know it is the truth and these things are happening.


I dont think its wise to toss this aside... Maybe a normal joe might find this compelling simply because it says NASA and not david icke or something like that, I think its a powerfull video....I understand her motive for trying to spread that info on a more mainstream line.

If you want i will make a thread about the program i was in.. And what things ive found out about what really happened there and what they were doing.

[Theseus]

Please believe im not a whack job... and i don't speak about something ive just "read in one place" i never take anything at face value i do my research.. i investigate i compare notes lol.. im not spewing propaganda here.
The elite are really are hell bent on controlling/killing/dehabilitating 8 out of 10 of us.

[Atlas]

Ive even ended up with a few dozen top secret documents that describe the implementation of these kinds of weapons and warfare.

Would you mind sharing these documents ?

[Theseus]

I do not keep anything illegal on here anymore.
I know thats not the answer you wanted but im sorry lol..
what things i did have.. were on a hard drive that melted along with over 5 years worth of lyrics and poetry id written.. yea that was a pretty sad day.

But as far as other agenda 21 stuff.. man its out there you gotta find it.
Im sure its all over fourms like this ATF and Thechaniconspiracyproject.
Ive spent the better part of 7 years researching that kind of stuff trust me its out there if you look you will find it.

[Theseus]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68085-U.S.-Gov.-Abduction-and-experimentation-on-children.&p=792765#post792765

Its a long read... but yea that kind of stuff really does exist, its why i got into the whole conspiracy thing to begin with.