Revelations of an Elite Family Insider

[Swami]

Something fascinating happened on a forum (godlikeproductions.com) in a span of a few days and it has caused quite a stir in certain parts of the Internet. A person by the moniker of Insider claimed he was from a ruling bloodline and gave the people a chance to ask everything they wanted and Insider would answer. At first it looks like another internet hoax, some lightweight questions were followed by lightweight answers, but then things started changing drastically. Anyone who understands dialectics knows that the answers Insider gave were designed to force/provoke others to ask questions which went to the core of the matter. First some questions are being asked by Insider like "Are you really living on the planet you think you are?" which made people react differently than before.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/403303/The-Revelations-of-an-Elite-Family-Insider-2005

[irishspirit]

Swami,

what an excellent find my friend. I am hooked already.

Irishspirit

[Swami]

Swami,

what an excellent find my friend. I am hooked already.

Irishspirit

Thank you Irish Spirit, I'm pretty hooked myself....

Slungie.... :tea:

[mike1414]

interesting!

many thanks for sharing

peace always
mike

[Jacqui D]

Swami is this the written hand info that made it to the internet a while back? i will take a look and read this, thank you for the link.

[Swami]

Swami is this the written hand info that made it to the internet a while back? i will take a look and read this, thank you for the link.

Nope...

As the the title says "Revelations of an Elite Family Insider"

For the Hidden-Hand material you should go here (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1)...

Condensed Hidden-Hand material here (http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html)...

Interesting..., Electric Arcing?

http://i842.photobucket.com/albums/zz346/AllForTheOne_References/Harvest122808.gif

Made me think of Carl Sagan;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faTcYJ6Djfs
[Sagan]
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch
You must first invent the universe

Space is filled with a network of wormholes
You might emerge somewhere else in space
Some when-else in time

The sky calls to us
If we do not destroy ourselves
We will one day venture to the stars

A still more glorious dawn awaits
Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise
A morning filled with 400 billion suns
The rising of the milky way

The Cosmos is full beyond measure of elegant truths
Of exquisite interrelationships
Of the awesome machinery of nature

I believe our future depends powerfully
On how well we understand this cosmos
In which we float like a mote of dust
In the morning sky

But the brain does much more than just recollect
It inter-compares, it synthesizes, it analyzes
it generates abstractions

The simplest thought like the concept of the number one
Has an elaborate logical underpinning
The brain has it's own language
For testing the structure and consistency of the world

[Hawking]
For thousands of years
People have wondered about the universe
Did it stretch out forever
Or was there a limit

From the big bang to black holes
From dark matter to a possible big crunch
Our image of the universe today
Is full of strange sounding ideas

[Sagan}
How lucky we are to live in this time
The first moment in human history
When we are in fact visiting other worlds

The surface of the earth is the shore of the cosmic ocean
Recently we've waded a little way out
And the water seems inviting

[Vidya Moksha]

Amazing post, perhaps one of the most important I have seen. Parts make me tingle, always a good sign I am on the right track....

to be downloaded and re read.

As always, its not what you read, per se, or the truth (whatever that is), but how it resonates with your view of the way things might be.

I will also say I was closest to my own truth when away from all media sources for 7 years.... food for though, for me anyway....

[Swami]

I will also say I was closest to my own truth when away from all media sources for 7 years.... food for though, for me anyway....

For me that would NOT be the media sources BUT the electrosmog-fields we are currently living in.
(This started when J.P. Morgan choose to go for Tesla's AC-current (50/60 Hz.) instead of Maxwell's (?) DC-current, used to supply the Grids)

[Swami]

Svali Speaks!
The Life of Svali – an Ex-Illuminati Mind Control Programmer


I have recently confirmed that Svali, the ex-Illuminati mind control programmer who opened the eyes of thousands of people on the internet with her writings and radio interview about the inner workings of the Illuminati, is indeed alive and well! Praise Jesus! She had not been heard from online since November of 2006 and it was feared she had been killed. I have learned that she is residing safely in an isolated place of refuge with a number of fellow Christian brothers and sisters. She is in no immediate danger and is continuing to heal and grow in the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no internet access where she is staying so she cannot electronically communicate with the outside world even if she wanted to. I cannot elaborate any further on her whereabouts as I don’t want to endanger her in any way.

The material can be read - listened to here (http://svalispeaks.wordpress.com/)...

[Steven]

It looks extremly close to the hidden hand thread on ATS in 2008. This one is older. Maybe the same original poster. Is it genuine and authentical? Personally, I doupt it. It looks very familiar with the 'Law of One' material.

On another hand, many times, I see some great texts appearing on different forums, in slithly different forms. It does not necessarly means the content is all fabricated. But most probably adapted to fit the original poster's intention.

Namaste, Steven

[Swami]

It looks extremly close to the hidden hand thread on ATS in 2008. This one is older. Maybe the same original poster. Is it genuine and authentical? Personally, I doupt it. It looks very familiar with the 'Law of One' material.

On another hand, many times, I see some great texts appearing on different forums, in slithly different forms. It does not necessarly means the content is all fabricated. But most probably adapted to fit the original poster's intention.

Namaste, Steven

Try them "hidden" links in HERE (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?766-Revelations-of-an-Elite-Family-Insider&p=6884&viewfull=1#post6884)......:sorry:

[Jacqui D]

Thank you Swami for the Svali video link,very interesting. ooooops! sorry about my mistake i did mean the hidden hand writings and yes i have read them.
If Svali has got out of the organisation i would be very surprised!

[THE eXchanger]

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[Swami]

Thank you Swami for the Svali video link,very interesting. ooooops! sorry about my mistake i did mean the hidden hand writings and yes i have read them.
If Svali has got out of the organisation i would be very surprised!

Thx JD :thumb:,

I just read that "Revelations of an Elite Family Insider" again. Extremely good info can be found and only 39 pages!
Its tells EXACTLY how WE are creating the negativiity (NWO for example) by focussing our attention/energy towards it/them........

Click that Sagan Song 10 times, sing it, and be amazed of the great times we are living in. I assure you, you will start laughing after a couple of times........:dance:

[Solphilos]

Is this another one of those "insiders" that spontaneously break away from their elite position, and leave to disclose secret information, and then "find Jesus" and become christian?:suspicious:

I am always very cautious of anyone that claims to have once been on the top of it all, in the know, and then suddenly becomes a christian. A mid-degree Mason would have access to knowledge that empower him in such a way that it would be utterly ridiculous for him to follow such a lowly religion after tasting something so grand and enlightening. And we are talking about someone who supposedly had knowledge that far exceeds that of any Mason! It makes no sense.

But, it is still a very interesting read, and there are claims in there that prove to me that they really do have inside info, but their intentions is what really is in question.

[Samarkis]

Very interesting post on Hidden -Hand.....and grateful to Svali on her courage..........

What I feel utmost importance is to make aware to everyone........

KNOWLEDGE & information is very important so that you know which direction to go in......

HOWEVER, it is of utmost IMPORTANCE that once you know your direction (progress)........

That one should move into heart energies and do kindnesses...........Small & large........Even a smile to another conveys energy!!

Spread kindnesses and compassion, nurture,where ever that may be.......

So that Light warms our planet & our people...................

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z299/Samarkis/family-n-friends.jpg

[K626]

I can tell by his use of language and certain answers he hasn't got the first clue about bloodlines and the inner spirit (force of self).

Intersting in the sense of phenomena and the desire to be.

KKlass

[K626]

The biggest misconception he perpetuates and what gives him away over and over again is that bloodlines are passed on through blood/family/heritage. It simply isn't.

[kriya]

I can tell by his use of language and certain answers he hasn't got the first clue about bloodlines and the inner spirit (force of self).

Intersting in the sense of phenomena and the desire to be.

KKlass

I completely agree. What he says about Jesus is crap too.

Jesus of Nazareth had (has) Christ consciousness.

Love,

Kriya

[K626]

I completely agree. What he says about Jesus is crap too.

Jesus of Nazareth had (has) Christ consciousness.

Love,

Kriya

Broadly agree with you Kriya. Jesus had the self-awareness (power to be) of an ascended soul. We all have this possibility...Agree with the (has) as well. Very wise of you.

[Agape]

Hint : Maybe that the real nobility in us does not enjoy such a long talk on our-selves ?

As Buddha said , ''it is not by birth that you recognize the knower but it is by conduct ''


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[K626]

Hint : Maybe that the real nobility in us does not enjoy such a long talk on our-selves ?

As Buddha said , ''it is not by birth that you recognize the knower but it is by conduct ''


A

The signs are everywhere and for all to see, but for the looking....

[K626]

One thing that makes me giggle is he keeps banging on about Universal law and its various moralities/sensibilities without realising the universe is A-MORAL. He then proceeds to smack people down for beign a little edgy (swearing etc)...which is normal in this kind of q7A where a percieved truth may be forthcoming (nobody can really be sure of the veracity). Being at one with the univerrse means being at one WITH EVERYTHING...It simply doesn't come dowm to trivial morality such as swearing and whatnot...Both sides can teach and understanding both sides leads to the path that is not forked.

[K626]

The biggest misconception he perpetuates and what gives him away over and over again is that bloodlines are passed on through blood/family/heritage. It simply isn't.

Actually he corrects himself at the bottom of p26, so I'll have to take that back....ha ha

K

[irishspirit]

Right, now having had the time to read the whole piece, I do not feel that this guy is of any type of "Elite Family", and more so someone out looking attention. Ok, it is clear that he knows what he is talking about, howeer, everyone here who has done research can answer those questions just as quick. Fact being he seemed to leave more out than answers really. Again, if he think that any blood line is better than another, he shows his complete ignorance. "Icke was fed the bloodline story to draw attention", yes, just like the millions of people around the world are fed sightings of UFOs and God know how many abductions.

All in all, I was not overly impressed with this at all. But again, excellent find OP!!!


Irishspirit

[THE eXchanger]

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[Vidya Moksha]

Much feedback here is getting hung up on the words, or something that doesnt fit with their world model. I think there is a fantastic message here, reading behind the words, I can get into the feeling and the ideas behind this piece of writing, as I say its what it does for you and what it does for your own world model rather than specific words. This piece 'feels' right on so many levels, it gets at the idea of maya... it doesnt matter what we think, we are wrong anyway.... in the modern way of describing such things writing like this can take you outside of the matrix.
I am not having a go at Christians here, but posts about what Jesus did and didnt do did and didnt achieve?, ? direct experience anyone? of course not.. knowing stuff can be dangerous..

[K626]

This is a 'good' truth ;)

Of course YOU would understand that intuitively X.

Peace

K

[3optic]

One thing that makes me giggle is he keeps banging on about Universal law and its various moralities/sensibilities without realising the universe is A-MORAL. He then proceeds to smack people down for beign a little edgy (swearing etc)...which is normal in this kind of q7A where a percieved truth may be forthcoming (nobody can really be sure of the veracity). Being at one with the univerrse means being at one WITH EVERYTHING...It simply doesn't come dowm to trivial morality such as swearing and whatnot...Both sides can teach and understanding both sides leads to the path that is not forked.

I haven't read the whole piece but this contradiction exists in many non-dual traditions and can be explained fairly easily.

Tibetan Buddhists believe in teaching beginning students ethics and a code of conduct. Yogi's similarly insist on behavior that is respectful and courteous toward the "teacher" who is not actually thought of as an individual but a vehicle for the teachings. If there was no structure in place it would be impossible to pass on these teachings.

[3optic]

Maybe substitute "practice" for "believe in". Hehheh.

[kriya]

I am not having a go at Christians here, but posts about what Jesus did and didnt do did and didnt achieve?, ? direct experience anyone? of course not.. knowing stuff can be dangerous..

I have perceived intuitively and directly, throuh meditation, the omniscience of Jesus. So when I read, as in this material that he wasn't the (a) Christ, alarms bells ring.

Through intuition all things can be known.

Love,

Kriya

[Vidya Moksha]

This article has been with me most of today, in essence, not in the detail.

What do we actually know about anything? Direct experience only? What is water? we have no idea, the scientists can give it more and more tags, labels, but they cant tell us what water is..

How many people reading this think that the heart pumps blood? we all know that dont we? yet its not true. It doesnt have the power perform that function, so what does the heart actually do when it beats?

What do we know of the world, politics, religion, spirituality? anything? how many people take time off from the internet or the tv and go and LOOK for themselves?

How many of us challenge our conditioning and belief systems? Even the most superficial examination will reveal we dont know much, and most any scenario could be true, we could be part of a matrix just like the file, who's to say otherwise?

this is why I think trhis was an important article, regardless of what was actually written... and most good teachers dont spoon feed knowledge, if you come to a realisation by yourself it is so much more powerful and profound...

so anyway.... i know its coffee time :)

[K626]

I haven't read the whole piece but this contradiction exists in many non-dual traditions and can be explained fairly easily.

Tibetan Buddhists believe in teaching beginning students ethics and a code of conduct. Yogi's similarly insist on behavior that is respectful and courteous toward the "teacher" who is not actually thought of as an individual but a vehicle for the teachings. If there was no structure in place it would be impossible to pass on these teachings.

There was also a tradition in many monasteries for the initiates to go down to the village once a year and cause merry hell. :p

[3optic]

I have perceived intuitively and directly, throuh meditation, the omniscience of Jesus. So when I read, as in this material that he wasn't the (a) Christ, alarms bells ring.

Through intuition all things can be known.

Love,

Kriya

I read that part with some skepticism too, Kriya. There is also the possibility he believes he is who he says he is and happens to be deluded.

[stardustaquarion]

This article has been with me most of today, in essence, not in the detail.

What do we actually know about anything? Direct experience only? What is water? we have no idea, the scientists can give it more and more tags, labels, but they cant tell us what water is..

How many people reading this think that the heart pumps blood? we all know that dont we? yet its not true. It doesnt have the power perform that function, so what does the heart actually do when it beats?

What do we know of the world, politics, religion, spirituality? anything? how many people take time off from the internet or the tv and go and LOOK for themselves?

How many of us challenge our conditioning and belief systems? Even the most superficial examination will reveal we dont know much, and most any scenario could be true, we could be part of a matrix just like the file, who's to say otherwise?

this is why I think trhis was an important article, regardless of what was actually written... and most good teachers dont spoon feed knowledge, if you come to a realisation by yourself it is so much more powerful and profound...

so anyway.... i know its coffee time :)

You are so right! there is nothing like direct experience. Information can help guide but without our time and effort in understanding ourselves and the reasons why we are where we are as individuals and as collective what is the point

The Illuminati are right in one thing, we are responsible for much of what is happening in our planet. Sounds too harsh?...it is all about energy management

We have to love ourselves first right?... loving ourselves mean healing all those parts of ourselves that we do not dare to look to and learning self responsibility. Self responsibility requires that we own our reality and stop blaming others for the consequences of our own neglet

Every time we blame we give our power to those we blame...it is a game that the Illuminati play well, they provoke us....we buy into it and feel (quite rightly) disempowered...they get our energy

The moment we say, ok this is me talking to me, what I am trying to learn here and we stop blaming...change happens

One could make a scientifical formula out of this

All that we need to do is being responsible...self empowered and pick up our own mess by accepting that no one can hurt us other than ourselves, that is a choice that we can all make

Love:grouphug:

[anikohu]

Thank You for the very interesting reading. This is a little bit longer but very valuable reading also,,,
http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

[Petut Semedhi]

Terribly interesting I must say. The material certainly gave rise to much thought and gave rise to more questions than answers. And questions do tend to give better mileage than 'answers'.
A response or two that arose within myself :

1/The myth/image of the reptillian life forms (that being said in the non-judgemental sense) - aka - how the mind/awareness functions. Eg - that it (the reptilian mind) may display brilliance and yet not be emotionally connected to what it is dealing with. This being the perceived mindset of those who direct the worlds events. And to be perfectly honest emotion isn't always useful until mastered or otherwise managed.
2/I am reminded of the idea of the dance of shiva - the idea of the whole catastrophe being dispassionately managed. In a more recent context, the was a controversy in the Zen when a book called 'Zen at War' was published in which the Soto Zen complicity in the Japanese war effort was revealed and eventually elicited an apopogy from the said religious 'authorities'. The war effort was 'justified' from the standpoints that it was for the greater good (the enlightenment of red furred foreign devils), and that ultimately all is empty anyway.
3/Utlimately the bottom line (as presented) is that all of the crap is so that not only will good prevail (as if by luck or grace), but that good will prevail because WE MUST make it so.
4/There is a sense of the separation of us and them (your lot as insider might say...). I must say that I look at some of 'our' lot and how they treat the world and each other and the society that we have created. Perhaps Mr/Ms insider is right.

Very interesting and thought provoking though. I would say that there might be a core of truth and a mass of doubtful material. non ?

Cheers
Gg

[Petut Semedhi]

Terribly interesting I must say. The material certainly gave rise to much thought and gave rise to more questions than answers. And questions do tend to give better mileage than 'answers'.
A response or two that arose within myself :

1/The myth/image of the reptillian life forms (that being said in the non-judgemental sense) - aka - how the mind/awareness functions. Eg - that it (the reptilian mind) may display brilliance and yet not be emotionally connected to what it is dealing with. This being the perceived mindset of those who direct the worlds events. And to be perfectly honest emotion isn't always useful until mastered or otherwise managed.
2/I am reminded of the idea of the dance of shiva - the idea of the whole catastrophe being dispassionately managed. In a more recent context, the was a controversy in the Zen when a book called 'Zen at War' was published in which the Soto Zen complicity in the Japanese war effort was revealed and eventually elicited an apopogy from the said religious 'authorities'. The war effort was 'justified' from the standpoints that it was for the greater good (the enlightenment of red furred foreign devils), and that ultimately all is empty anyway.
3/Utlimately the bottom line (as presented) is that all of the crap is so that not only will prevail (as if by luck or grace), but that good will prevail because WE MUST make it so.
4/There is a sense of the separation of us and them (your lot as insider might say...). I must say that I look at some of 'our' lot and how they treat the world and each other and the society that we have created. Perhaps Mr/Ms insider is right.

Very interesting and thought provoking though. I would say that there might be a core of truth and a mass of doubtful material. non ?

Cheers
Gg

[Rob Wood]

...We have to love ourselves first right?... loving ourselves mean healing all those parts of ourselves that we do not dare to look to and learning self responsibility. Self responsibility requires that we own our reality and stop blaming others for the consequences of our own neglet

A breath of fresh air! Thank you. No one is in power over you unless you give them that power. That's easy to say, but much harder to live. In my own life's inner work, I discovered passageway after passageway in my mind, each filled with doors. Behind each door I could hear a roaring dragon in its cave, scratching to be let out to consume me. I had so many of these caves that I spent most of my days - and especially my nights - afraid of opening them, or of even walking down some of the passageways, for fear I would be destroyed.

Gradually I began to realize that I was building layer after layer, story after story of these labyrinths, and was wandering aimlessly among them, thinking it was reality. But it slowly began to become obvious that I was creating these layers and caves and doors myself, to avoid the pain of realization. To put it honestly, I was afraid of becoming conscious, because on some deep emotional level I was convinced that if I saw myself for who I really was, I would become disgusted. I was convinced I would discover that I was weak, foolish and worthless. So, instead of opening those doors and passing through them to enlightenment, I merely locked each timid temptation to see who I really was away in its own cave, behind its own door. And to further protect who I thought I was, my imagination turned each revelation into a huge, fire-breathing beast, just waiting to devour me.

I finally came to the realization that I could live the rest of my life this way, and grow old and die without every having grown. An old man with an infant's mind and understanding. I realized, finally, that I did not want to live in that barren wasteland, doomed to forever wander those passageways and wonder what was really on the other side of those doors. So one day, with the help of a friend, I opened one of those doors. What I discovered was a dragon alright - but it was around 12 inches tall. It had a huge roar, but very small teeth, not particularly sharp. I ate it. And it became me. I owned it for what it was, and understood it was a delusion I had invented. But at its core, it wasn't a dragon at all, but a bit of truth about myself. Yes, it was not particularly pleasant, but once I understood that I had created it in order to survive, I could absorb it, honor it for what it was - a crutch I no longer needed - and move on to the next door. I've been opening those doors ever since.

It took twelve years of work to gain the courage to open that first door, and it has been 11 years since that day. Each door I open makes more light flood in. I know for certain that light has mass, because I can feel it holding me up. And I also know that thoughts have mass, because how else could I have built those caves and doors that kept me in the darkness, otherwise?

No one can make you feel a certain way, or force you to do anything - you have to let them. And I can tell you for sure that there is no power greater than the human spirit, and the human will. I read a lot of the posts here, and see that many people are caught up in their own self-made labyrinths, just as I was - and still am to some extent, but I can see the light most of the time now. Masses of people are living in fear of imagined aliens and demons and warring angels and secret societies and elite insiders and all the rest. None of those things are real. Just because mobs of people gather together and feed each others delusions does not make them truth.

Now people are being taken in by the latest hype, the 2012 mass delusion that everything's going to end, or transition in some huge way because primitive priests liked to use fear to control their enslaved populations with their own versions of labyrinths, caves and dragons. All of these fears are baseless, and only serve to distract people from their own walk on their own unique paths. All of the people claiming to channel superior beings are pretending, avoiding their own dragons by trying to make others believe they're real.

As for when the earth will end, and how: It will end, eventually. Everything dies and becomes something else. As for each of us as individuals, no one knows when his or her time on the planet will be at an end. It doesn't matter whether the earth is destroyed, either, because you and I and everyone reading this is going to die - sometime, either in a cataclysmic event, by growing old and passing on, or by sickness, or by getting run over by a bus. How we die is not important. What is important is how we live in the time we have, and wasting it by running from one conspiracy theory to another, or one delusional guru to another, or one crackpot, new age fantasy to another, would be a real tragedy - more tragic than anything that can be concocted about 2012.

The amazing thing about life is that entropy is always at work, bringing forces to bear on the physical universe to break it down into its smallest possible components. That's because the physical universe is only the byproduct of the illness our collective being is fighting. It's essentially the waste products from fighting the infection. At the same time, we human beings are trying to fight entropy, by prolonging life, by trying to build families, friendships and communities. We were meant to be pure spirit, and fully conscious of being one with all existence. Instead, we are cut off from that oneness and overwhelmed by our physical existence. If we are granted the gift of becoming aware just how precious life is, and finally get what it is we are supposed to be doing here, then we can experience love and compassion for one another.

But as you say, if we don't take responsibility for our own thoughts, fears and dragons, we simply can't be free. Blaming nature, nurture or bad people or evil spirits will not set you free. No ideology, no religion, no book, no vision, no teachers, no drugs can do it. Only you can do that, and you have to do it yourself, by wandering in your own wilderness, locking bits and pieces of yourself behind closed doors until you simply don't want to be in the darkness anymore, and finally deciding to begin opening those doors. That's when enlightenment begins. It's a lonely walk, but it leads to peace and the ability to connect with the universe.

Rob

[stardustaquarion]

Rob, you are very wise, thank you for your post :wave:

[Swami]

Nope...

As the the title says "Revelations of an Elite Family Insider"

For the Hidden-Hand material you should go here (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1)...

Condensed Hidden-Hand material here (http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html)...

Interesting..., Electric Arcing?

http://i842.photobucket.com/albums/zz346/AllForTheOne_References/Harvest122808.gif



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[illuminate]

I remembering reading both the Hidden Hand and The Revelations of an Insider
quite a while back on the old Avalon forum...

and something that has always stuck in my mind was, that one of them (can't recall off hand which one) posed the question of: Are we sure we are really where we think we are?...

Out of all the combined material, which was fascinating to read, this continues to puzzle me... What did he mean by that?

Are we sure we are on Earth? Maybe this is just some terra-formed planet... maybe the 'new' Earth that the New Age community speaks of is really the 'old' Earth? How would we really know?

Definitely a mind trip and an interesting thought. Has anyone else wondered about this?

[Swami]

Are we sure we are on Earth? Maybe this is just some terra-formed planet... maybe the 'new' Earth that the New Age community speaks of is really the 'old' Earth? How would we really know?

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[Hiram]

I just wanted to Thank Rob for his intelligent and heartfelt post on the last page! Thank you Rob.

One challenge people often get themselves into, is comparing "Ultimate" reality (whatever that is...I have realized it to be first-source simply experiencing itself because being just happens to be joyful) with all the complexities and games we have created for ourselves.

It really comes down to what kind of conversation you wish to have.

For instance we could be having a very interesting thread dedicated to illuminati mind-control techniques and how to combat them, and then someone could post a reply such as:

"We are all one spirit in many manifestations experiencing itself in myriad different forms you can neither be created or destroyed so why are you even discussing this?"

Now of course what that poster has written could be very true, but what they have effectively done with their post is invalidate "the game". They have taken their hand and overturned the board and all the pieces have gone flying.

I don't have a problem with acknowledging that this is all a game and full of nonsense.....I have come to the same conclusion.

Where I do object however, is when one uses ultimate reality as an excuse for minimizing the game we are all currently engaged in. Despite what everyone may think, this game and all its intricacies is very important. This experience you are having is not some accident or punishment, it is designed to challenge you and make you miserable and do all the sorts of things we complain about because that is HOW YOU GROW. Plain and simple.

There is no growth and no change outside of the timestream. You must enter the timestream in order to change. And guess what? Change is beautiful.

Ultimately, we are all one and you will survive, but like going to a really great movie, you must suspend disbelief and engage in the game of pretend. When its all over you no longer pretend, and you remember everything. But for know we are pretending and we should pretend well.

Be the hero of this film.

BTW, Hidden Hand wrote that by the end of 2010 both San Francisco and Damascus will be uninhabitable. Well we are okay so far....I live right in San Francisco.

But there is still time left in 2010!! (cue spooky music!)

[Loren]

Thank you Swami. I could really relate to Insider, I have heard a lot of this before from a very special human being I was fortunate to meet in my youth. It does not matter if this person is who they say they are, it is helpful info regardless.

[Teakai]

Absloluetly rivetting - thanks so much for posting

[Arpheus]

Done reading the whole thing,that was very very interesting to say the least,even the parts he talks about christ and everything,it really makes you reflect in a much deeper sense,if you can get the big picture out of what he talks about your are on a right path,this will require lots of reflection and deep inner thought work to connect to,but a lot of what he said resonates with how i see things and although many of what he said is not new to a lot of us it served its purpose.Also i liked how he kept as simple as he could for it to be easy to understand.Thank you for sharing this,it truly added some new dimensions to me .;)

[onawah]

Very thought provoking. Thanks for sharing. You really have to read it all the way through to understand this person is not coming from the place you think in the beginning. Not at all.

It brought me to a very core place in my consciousness.
It made me realize, In one instant, how much I would like to erase the "perversions" and nonsense that surrounds that core!

Similar to the way I felt one afternoon after reading a lot of Joseph Chilton Pearce's work on childhood education, when I realized how my own education had been full of "perversions", half truths and worse...

But Ron's description of the process of getting to that core is probably also indicative of what it takes to do the erasing.
Even so, I wish someone had asked Insider about the information contained in the most sophisticated of the crop circles, and who created them and why.

I especially liked this:
"I might add this which may sound contrary to what I said but read carefully:
When masses are made to believe something negative, they may create what they did not want,
which is how for instance the "NWO" like you people name it, works.
You are believing it is taking shape, so it will take shape and theorists are major players in
helping this taking shape by bombarding you with "facts" that it is taking shape.
Claiming you are giving in power everyday, and they control you more...while in reality you are
in full control.
So the people who are "waking up" to it are the ones who are creating it.
Visualization also works that way around."

Even so, I will take this information, as with everything, with at least a few grains of salt.

[Carmody]

I just wanted to Thank Rob for his intelligent and heartfelt post on the last page! Thank you Rob.

One challenge people often get themselves into, is comparing "Ultimate" reality (whatever that is...I have realized it to be first-source simply experiencing itself because being just happens to be joyful) with all the complexities and games we have created for ourselves.

It really comes down to what kind of conversation you wish to have.

For instance we could be having a very interesting thread dedicated to illuminati mind-control techniques and how to combat them, and then someone could post a reply such as:

"We are all one spirit in many manifestations experiencing itself in myriad different forms you can neither be created or destroyed so why are you even discussing this?"

Now of course what that poster has written could be very true, but what they have effectively done with their post is invalidate "the game". They have taken their hand and overturned the board and all the pieces have gone flying.

I don't have a problem with acknowledging that this is all a game and full of nonsense.....I have come to the same conclusion.

Where I do object however, is when one uses ultimate reality as an excuse for minimizing the game we are all currently engaged in. Despite what everyone may think, this game and all its intricacies is very important. This experience you are having is not some accident or punishment, it is designed to challenge you and make you miserable and do all the sorts of things we complain about because that is HOW YOU GROW. Plain and simple.

There is no growth and no change outside of the timestream. You must enter the timestream in order to change. And guess what? Change is beautiful.

Ultimately, we are all one and you will survive, but like going to a really great movie, you must suspend disbelief and engage in the game of pretend. When its all over you no longer pretend, and you remember everything. But for know we are pretending and we should pretend well.

Be the hero of this film.

BTW, Hidden Hand wrote that by the end of 2010 both San Francisco and Damascus will be uninhabitable. Well we are okay so far....I live right in San Francisco.

But there is still time left in 2010!! (cue spooky music!)

You are making me think of what I put in the 'soul harvester' thread, when pushed about the true nature of things and why we can't just loose the ignorance, etc.

I said:Ahhhh...... but that is the point entirely!

Big test today!

No looking at the answers!


Heheheheh....:p

[Hiram]

You are making me think of what I put in the 'soul harvester' thread, when pushed about the true nature of things and why we can't just loose the ignorance, etc.

I said:Ahhhh...... but that is the point entirely!

Big test today!

No looking at the answers!


Heheheheh....:p

Yes Carmody,

I agree precisely. I remember someone also commenting in response to you, something along the lines of "Carmody I have no idea what you're talking about"

Some folks find the existence of this place (Earth) so distasteful and unpleasant, and they are getting so exhausted trying to pry at "The Truth" (not a fixed destination but rather a moving object) that they fail to fully consider the possibility that they themselves designed it this way...for the express purpose of evoking the precise exhaustion and disgust that they are experiencing.

It's similar to asking someone to consider the possibility that the person who beats-you-up and mugs you in this life, may be doing so because they agreed to do so in another realm. A realm where you arranged for all of this experience to occur. A realm where your "mugger" is actually your very closest friend perhaps? They agreed to mug you because they "LOVE" you.

That is too much for some people, and thats okay. Because that was how they designed themselves to react.

But discussions about ultimate reality always end up in the same place do they not?

There is nowhere but here.

[PUNK2424]

some guy saying he is from the elite familly.
he opend a free questions answers forum in 2005.
dont know if he is teling the truth. still intrsting stuff.

http://www.slideshare.net/guest252977/revelations-of-an-elite-family-insider-2005


(my first thred)

[str8thinker]

Thanks for bringing this document to our notice.

I don't like the idea of having to log into Facebook simply to download it, so here's (http://ifile.it/9noey6v) an alternative immediate download link.


The perfect slave is the one that says "I am not a slave".

This is straight out of Goethe:

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.



There is no plan to reduce the population, that is fully in the hands of the people.

No plan, eh? I'd like to see what Bill Ryan and 'Charles' make of this.

IMO, this arrogant so-called "Elite" who posted these answers is worse than the Oracle at Delphi. He hasn't given us a single new fact one can verify to prove that he is genuine, in fact he takes delight in contradicting everything people ask him. Is this disinfo or what? I would label this a hoax. There are many more like him on YouTube and the Internet.

[Bill Ryan]

Thanks for bringing this document to our notice.

I don't like the idea of having to log into Facebook simply to download it, so here's (http://ifile.it/9noey6v) an alternative immediate download link.

This is straight out of Goethe:

No plan, eh? I'd like to see what Bill Ryan and 'Charles' make of this.

IMO, this arrogant so-called "Elite" who posted these answers is worse than the Oracle at Delphi. He hasn't given us a single new fact one can verify to prove that he is genuine, in fact he takes delight in contradicting everything people ask him. Is this disinfo or what? I would label this a hoax. There are many more like him on YouTube and the Internet.

There's another one, a few years later, who called himself 'Hidden Hand'.

I read them both. For me, there are too many red flags and obvious nonsense. I've not taken them seriously. If they are real insiders, there are too many falsehoods in there to make them valuable - in my opinion.

[joamarks]

if there is such thing as truth in this world, the only value of that knowledge is, if you accept all consequences of you're choice. so bad en good choices don't exists. only the conscious ones counts.
that's the path, the true secret of the joy of life.

in the light of a playful conscious a choice becomes a adventure. without boundaries and free of hunker for real or valid info about the future.

swami, thanks for this great post which helped me remember

[elysian]

Thank you for sharing this. True or untrue it does not really matter. It is very interesting and brought great information to my attention. :)

[joamarks]

Q: What are the foods etc that are used to control us? Is there anything we should and shouldn´t concume that would help us to see the reality more clearly? What constitutes "temperance"? - is it moderation in all things or more than that?

A:

See above for the food part.
It is 1 part of the manipulation, it is used in combination with 6 other methods of control in your
daily life.
If you can "delete" a few from your life or have less exposure to them, the effect will reduce
dramatically, but this is not what will make you more self-conscious.

These methods are used to wear you out, lower your quality of life.

They are interlinked.
The methods are:

1. Food and drinks

2. Medication, "Health care" (include vitamins)

3. Electrical waves (including your PC and cellphone, house electr. network, everything chipped)

4. Media, be it TV-radio-newspapers-magazines-internet (the most obvious method, yet the most
enslaving)

5. Music, Sounds (different method than media, used in a different way although most times
through the media)

6. Air pollution

7. Education system (including known literature which is mostly corrupt, be it history,
psychology, metapsychology, "philosophy", art, science, poetry, religion, even fairy tales told to
infants).

Politics takes these methods and bombard you with this every day and make sure they are maintained.

The rule is:

If promoted/praised/applauded/critically acclaimed/free, be very wary.

Be it food, medicines, latest technological product, "artist", politician, musician, book, show,
beverage, etc.

Some of these allegedly "stand the test of time", that is orchestrated for a reason.
Problem is if too wary, you could miss a few gems that are deliberately passed on in between the
manipulation tools by some.
There are a few other methods (societies/cults/sects, people policing each other, etc) but the above 6 are the core which has been promoted since the French "Revolution".

Temperance: conscious form of restraint based on self-knowing to achieve inner order of the
Soul (which is the unseen you as a whole, the Soul is not a part of you, you are one).

Restraining the emotions/desires/passions/energies does not mean cutting it off (that will harm
you, beware), but channeling them to work for higher causes after taming them gently.

This all does lead to a sober life, yet simpler, filled with gifts because you fully become your own
master, instead of your emotions/desires/passions dictating you how to be.

Simultaneously with this process you will be cleansing yourself and will be ready to be
enlightened by the Universal Mind.
Be like that which you want to connect with as much as possible

this sums it all up in short:

discipline or intention to let it happen
soberness saves energy
knowledge is all here. contacted via intuition. no need for our heads to be involved in future readiness
the key to freedom is found individuality. not as group or master<>pupil

(in-di-vi- duality: it means undivided duality. its allready there in the word.)

we have given all the tools to find it individual, by means that this is the time where its legal to think and act individual.

nowhere in history you will find this extraordinarily chance.

[Seikou-Kishi]

No it doesn't, it means "indivisible", it has no reference to duality.

I cannot agree with the inclusion of philosophy, especially with such petulant quotation marks; philosophy nurtures an ability to think antithetical to those aims

[joamarks]

the only problem i have with the individuality is that there is a chance you get isolated from the world.
for sure if you disconnect internet, tv and other media.

so my question to you: is there a safe balance between finding you're true self and living the life you supposed to live.

[joamarks]

hello seikou-kishi, thanks for the reply.

you're right, im not a professional philosophizer nor is englisch my native language and last but not least im not used to write on forums like these. so i m open to Anny critics on this.

but can you feel what i mean and give it a better formula?

greetings joa, netherlands

[Seikou-Kishi]

Oh, I hadn't realised you weren't English (you speak English better than most English people lol).

As for your question, about finding a balance between who we are and who we're supposed to be, I would say that the trick is to be who we are 'essentially', to not reject or try to change parts of ourselves that are fundamental or unchangeable and to follow our passions and do what we believe is right, but that we should try to accommodate other people as well as we're able. I think what I'm saying is we should be ourselves with the big things, and with the small things it doesn't matter if we have to rub along, especially when our rubbing along allows somebody else their chance to be who they really are :-)

[joamarks]

(you speak English better than most English people lol)

thanks :o

indeed i agree with you, people don't need to change into something they want to be. we have learned that of our parents which did their best in the idealistic sixties.

change for me has worked the otherway around.

you started beleving you are sombody in your teens. then it fails to keep up in the real world when you pass your twenties. so you have to change, but only by saying goodby to the belive systems which is comfortably grown to your survival kit.

so you peel off to a "core entity".;)

and this is what im strugling about (and so many other people around me).
when you are willing to give up your old system, still the old world holds on to you with its last fiber.
in other words you stand in the world with one foot in the new and the other in a ruin castle with old ghosts.

but there will be a time where we need to give up this internet forum stuff.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Well my parents were still children in the idealistic sixties, but I take your point :P

Yes people spend most of their lives trying to change into something else, adding more layers to who they are until they're so covered they're suffocating like boil-in-the-bag rice lol.

I know what you mean, even when you attempt to discard the remnants of the old system, it remains there forever dragging you back. I've found a certain serentiy or tranquility of mind is necessary... if you have urges to revert to an old and unhealthy system, or fear your ability to make it without these mental constructs, acknowledge these urges but do not yield to them. By becoming completely passive, you remove the tension from the scenario, it's like playing tug of war and letting the rope go slack :-)

[joamarks]

I've found a certain serentiy or tranquility of mind is necessary

you are right again! without this you wont make it.

because you cant find energy in your "known identity ruins" you must look for it in a more abstract non known reality.

so you find yourself, in the pitch black dark corners of your mind with no references. thats when you need some comfort to sustain there. :)

i will say thats just a fine moment to ask yourself what is god?

then you stumble upon concepts like "the one" or "divine" or "the one law"

after some time of playing with this puzzle some other entity enters your consciousness.

in your vulnerably state of the unknown, it gives you advise. not by telling you, but by a overwhelming feeling of a burst of energy

how do you distinguish between a real unconditional loving being or a satanist?

[sambience]

I found the 'Revelations' to be profoundly interesting, and I think that this material should be cross-referenced by people following the 'Charles' material.

[nooneofconsequence]

Amazing post, perhaps one of the most important I have seen. Parts make me tingle, always a good sign I am on the right track....



And I thought I was the only one who got that physical body tingle when on the right track ... been happening pretty consistently for the last couple of years. Hey, I have no communications with aliens (that I know of), only some limited half-dreaming stuff that registers as significant ... amongst the clutter. I have not found a way to do most of the things the people on this forum can do, but I have my tingle... lol... and thank you!

Did anyone else think of the lyrics to Hotel California by the Eagles when he was describing our vision of reality.

[Sidney]

Avalon senior member "timerty" started a new thread called "Just so you know,charles was last seen on the ats forum answering questions"....

Apparently hidden_hand, and Atticus are two different people.(although there is no proof at all whether the ATS hidden_hand material is the Work of Charles or not).

Bill Ryan chose to close the thread so people would not be confused into thinking that the information truly WAS Charles' (postings).



I read the Hidden_hand material,and I feel that the information there closely parallels "Atticus' " material. I have spent so much time trying to translate charles words into something meaningful for myself, with no success, yet when I read the "hidden_hand" material, it immediately resonated with me. i "got" it.

It explained so much, in simple easy to understand sentences, without having to pick apart every word of it to try to get a simple meaning from.

The big difference is that the hidden_hand material speaks nothing of the machine or the key or forming of a new civilization, however that is not proof that the two writings don't tie in together.

This is not meant to critisize Charles at all, on the contrary, it compliments the work Charles has spent so much time on. Perhaps Avalonians were suppose to work harder for the information. It doesn't matter. I feel that HOW we "get it" is unimportant. It's THAT we "get it" that matters.

Here is the link to the hidden_hand material.

http://www.cherada.com/articulos/a-bloodline-member-discloses-upcoming-events-and-why-2012-is-so-important-to-them



The link to the Avalon thread posted by "timerty" is here.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13538-Just-so-you-all-know-Charles-was-last-seen-at-the-ATS-forum-answering-questions

I feel the hidden_hand material is valuable enough that one should read and judge for ones self, as I am not here to convince you on which way of thinking or reading and/or concluding is correct.

I am wondering if there are "others" on other alternative news forums, that have been given this same job...?? And perhaps they each have their own technique of teaching. Like I said, its not how, its that.

[Mr54]

Hi Star Child,


I also read the Hidden Hand material and was also impressed with it's ease of access. However I would be very wary of accepting any of this material as truth for a few reasons. Firstly there is a seductiveness about the narrative which if you think about it is very dis empowering. The guy seems to be saying hey don't bother doing anything it's all fine. The guy is also claiming to be representing Lucifer otherwise known as The Father Of Lies which should have alarm bells ringing straight away.

The fact that this is almost certainly a load of nonsense doesn't however answer the very real questions that this material brings about. Which are who wrote it and why. The larger circumstances of this apparent disclosure were that it occurred over a week in short installments during live chat. The person who wrote this material never identified themselves to anyone or agreed to meet up or be recorded on video.

This in my opinion makes this material essentially useless unless for the purpose of entertainment.

The Charles material is different from this material in my opinion because Charles has come forward, has appeared on video, and perhaps most importantly has the backing of Bill.

I think that it's very dangerous to start to compare these two separate cases.

[pilotsimone]

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[Sidney]

I got a lot out of the hidden hand material a while back. It connected some dots for me.


However I would be very wary of accepting any of this material as truth for a few reasons. Firstly there is a seductiveness about the narrative which if you think about it is very dis empowering. The guy seems to be saying hey don't bother doing anything it's all fine. The guy is also claiming to be representing Lucifer otherwise known as The Father Of Lies which should have alarm bells ringing straight away.

This in my opinion makes this material essentially useless unless for the purpose of entertainment.

I think that it's very dangerous to start to compare these two separate cases.


Check out all the bold words. What a fear-based post! :) I would argue these words are far more dis-empowering than the hidden hand material.

Do not fear, Avalonians. It will not hurt you. It might even connect a few dots if you are skilled in discernment.

We cannot be afraid to wade through any material to find truth. That's just silly.

Like anything else you read on the net. Take what you can use, what resonates for you and leave the rest behind.

[davyj0nes]

I've been reading the interview you linked to, and i to me it feels a lot more wingmakers than the 33. could it possibly be kerry masquerading as a 33 giving an interview to ATS??? who knows.

[Hiram]

Since I live in the City of San Francisco.....I left behind the part of the Hidden hand Material which states: Both Damascus and San Francisco will be uninhabitable by the end of 2010.

[Sidney]

Hi Star Child,


I also read the Hidden Hand material and was also impressed with it's ease of access. However I would be very wary of accepting any of this material as truth for a few reasons. Firstly there is a seductiveness about the narrative which if you think about it is very dis empowering. The guy seems to be saying hey don't bother doing anything it's all fine. The guy is also claiming to be representing Lucifer otherwise known as The Father Of Lies which should have alarm bells ringing straight away.

The fact that this is almost certainly a load of nonsense doesn't however answer the very real questions that this material brings about. Which are who wrote it and why. The larger circumstances of this apparent disclosure were that it occurred over a week in short installments during live chat. The person who wrote this material never identified themselves to anyone or agreed to meet up or be recorded on video.

This in my opinion makes this material essentially useless unless for the purpose of entertainment.

The Charles material is different from this material in my opinion because Charles has come forward, has appeared on video, and perhaps most importantly has the backing of Bill.

I think that it's very dangerous to start to compare these two separate cases.

Dangerous?? HOW?? BTW, Charles rearview of his head has appeared on video, not Charles. Yes he has the backing of Bill. that proves nothing. Like I said, I'm not here to convince anyone of anything. I was stating my opinion. I said to read it for yourself, and make your own judgement.

There are certainly parallels to the two materials.

What one person may gain from something like this can be completely different than the next person, depending on the needs and goals of the individual. what I found useful in the hidenhand material was the simple instructions on how to be a more positive thinking person. The how-to of being serving to others rather than self serving. I happen to have anger issues from past abuse, and I find it very difficult to shed my bitteness. When I read some of the hidden hand stuff, something in me clicked. I feel hopeful that I can truly "let go" of my own personal issues.

What someone else may or may not get from it, really is not any of my business. I started this thread, because I got something positive from it, and I wanted to share, that possibly others may get something positive from it as well.

I see absolutely NO DANGER in comparing the two. that (to me) is just rediculous.

BTW, I think the hidden_hand material thread began sometime in 2008. So well over 2 years ago.

[Sidney]

Since I live in the City of San Francisco.....I left behind the part of the Hidden hand Material which states: Both Damascus and San Francisco will be uninhabitable by the end of 2010.

LOL- last I checked, San Francisco is still alive and well, as is Damascus. Thank Goodness!! would you happen to know when this exchange of information , the hidden hand material occurred?

[Hiram]

Perhaps what Mr54 meant by "Dangerous" was simply the danger of confusing the two messages. After wading through 50 pages of Hidden Hand....and then 50 pages of The Charles Material...there could be the propensity to confabulate (unintentionally) the two messages, and get them confused.

There ARE similarities, but then again alot of material of this sort has been circulating on the net for a few years...some bits for much longer.

I agree there is no harm in reviewing the info, and IF you personally find insight from it--no harm no foul.

It's also healthy to admit that some confusion may come from it.

At this moment in time, discernment is everything.


POSTSCRIPT: "would you happen to know when this exchange of information , the hidden hand material occurred? "

I was around early in 2010 for sure...possibly 2009? I read it in an excerpt from ATS forum in 2010.

[slvrfx]

The biggest misconception he perpetuates and what gives him away over and over again is that bloodlines are passed on through blood/family/heritage. It simply isn't.

Yes it is.

[vibrations]

I was leaded to this link:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/403303/The-Revelations-of-an-Elite-Family-Insider-2005

It is 39 pages of questions and answers on some forum (from 2005) and I have to admit that it puts a bit of light on "our" Charles and his work.

First I didn't know if it is ok to post this, but it somehow fit on what we are doing. And I found a lot of useful answers.

I would like to see your coments, thank you guys. And coments from Bill and Charles too, off course.

[Mr54]

I got a lot out of the hidden hand material a while back. It connected some dots for me.


However I would be very wary of accepting any of this material as truth for a few reasons. Firstly there is a seductiveness about the narrative which if you think about it is very dis empowering. The guy seems to be saying hey don't bother doing anything it's all fine. The guy is also claiming to be representing Lucifer otherwise known as The Father Of Lies which should have alarm bells ringing straight away.

This in my opinion makes this material essentially useless unless for the purpose of entertainment.

I think that it's very dangerous to start to compare these two separate cases.


Check out all the bold words. What a fear-based post! :) I would argue these words are far more dis-empowering than the hidden hand material.

Do not fear, Avalonians. It will not hurt you. It might even connect a few dots if you are skilled in discernment.

We cannot be afraid to wade through any material to find truth. That's just silly.

My apologies to you pilot Simone and to Star child having re read my post I think I could have worded my thoughts into a more positive and sensitive whole and been entirely less arrogant sounding. I had no intention of causing disrespect to your reality or of trying to replace it with my own. Really sometimes words do seem entirely too inadequate as a form of communication. Please let me assure you that my sentiment was one of concern for a fellow being. I did read the HH material and was initially smitten but as I thought about it something in the material started to feel wrong I don't know why. Apologies again.

[gong]

this was most useful, thanks Swami.

Makes perfect sense.

Was not aware of it and if I read the timeline correctly, this material seems approx a year later than the hidden hand material (which I remember I followed as it evolved). To me, there is a little more clarity in this one.