The Tranformation of Science

[Omni]

I believe science as it is now is extremely limited. Left brained thinking, and hardcore skepticism of things like paranormal, ET realities, metaphysics, etc dominates scientific thinkers. However I think that will change in the next 50 years quite a bit. I believe the irrefutable discovery of the soul and chakras will contribute in a major way to such things. Both are big, and will eventually happen IMO.

Another thing that would help revolutionize science is the discovery of intelligent life on other planets.

As it stands now a lot of people into science have a negative connotation to the words: Spiritual, Spirituality. I believe this is largely because they see the BS in many religions, and then take it a bit too far by discounting pretty much everything said in such religions.

Eventually science will merge with spirituality, it is just a matter of time. All it takes is a couple huge discoveries like the soul and chakras and pretty much every person stuck in scientism mindsets will seriously have to reconsider their stance. The soul is moderately proven already, however one of my science buddies still denies the evidence of NDE since most scientists follow the same line of thinking. So maybe these things will just have these left brained thinkers move onto the next pseudo-skepticism. But I have faith eventually science will be intellectually honest with itself in large abundance. Hopefully the overly materialistic views will somewhat change when metaphysical aspects are proven.

I highly value 'open minded scientists'. They are of extreme importance. We don't want a bunch of information regurgitators we want free thinkers in science. How can we discover new things if scientists do not have a creative side to their thinking... I tend to think many of the best scientists are hired by militaries for black projects or suppressed/killed. It is a shame...

Anyway, I wonder what avalonians think of this topic. Do you think things like the irrefutable discovery of chakras and the soul could transform science? Or will the scientism thinkers just move on to the next unproven thing, and doubt doubt doubt all over again... What do you think has the potential to transform scientistic thinking if I did not mention it?

[Mike Gorman]

I think the entire paradigm of Materialism (sorry for using 'paradigm' it is over used but nothing else will do the job) will be kicked out of court.
The absolute nature of physical laws are seen to be not so absolute - reference to Rupert Sheldrake and his so-called 'Banned TED lecture' where he discusses
questioning some of the keepers of absolutes such as the velocity of light, the 'G' in gravity and so-on. Scientists such as Arthur Young & Rupert Sheldrake are
instrumental in introducing taboo topics like Telepathy, Astrology, The Soul into the science field of view - eventually science will include knowledge and awareness of our universe beyond the merely empirically
acknowledged, or rather the ability to measure items and forces not currently accepted by the keepers of scientific 'truth' will expand to be included empirically. Yes I think you are right, these things will change the nature of science
but how long it will take is another question entirely.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

You mention the soul and chakras becoming important. I think this is exactly where science is going to move, and so it is going to become more individualized and personal. There will be more information available than ever, and likely more cooperation and sharing than ever (if this trend that the Internet has accelerated keeps moving forward), but it will be coming more directly from self-explorations and self-insights.

Really you can see this already happening now. The "old science" is more of a rigid, authority-based system, almost like a pyramid scheme. I mean the fields that are determined by what the most "respected" professors think, who sit at major universities that either receive lots of government funding or are otherwise compromised, and if some ideas come along that they don't like, then they effectively have the power to stifle them with ridicule and incredulity. And then "respected" journals won't publish real scientific work.

Already we see what? People aren't listening to the medical establishment anymore and are using self-trials to arrive at better health than what the "respected authorities" can achieve for us (of course really I believe the people behind the medical industry like the Rockefellers simply want to depopulate the Earth). People are putting hard questions and self-experimentation also to the field of alternative energy. People are questioning history and archaeology. And more and more people are realizing that economics is a bunch of smoke and mirrors in the real world.


So it won't be that big of a leap to individualizing science and making it a science primarily of inner exploration. I think we're already well on the way...

[Feritciva]

This is a great thread as i'm just attending a "clinical study protocols" seminar today. Although i agree with all theposts above (especially bsbray's great post) established science will not end as soon as you think. Materialism prevails - unfortunately..

[Agape]

I think that discovery/proof of existence of another dimension of time-space ( it's dimensions really - plural - but the breakthrough will have to start with one .. ) will open door or a tunnel .. to 'out of box' understanding in science and it will also enable joint supra-mundane ( mundane here simply means 3D but single plane limited view of science today ) meeting point for science and spirituality,
since the discovery of the other dimension will help to explain number of 'out-worldly' phenomena ,
including extra-sensory perception, supra-luminosity phenomena ( lights in the sky, light apparitions , not necessarily 'ufo's ) , e.t. contact experiences - and how they work ,
I think that discovery/proof of this 'another' , larger , more subtle , in a way - parallel- dimension will either precede or coincide with the first certified ET-Human contact on Earth .

Such dimension/s are of course predicted and predictable in maths and physics , one of the aims of physical experiments in particle accelerators ( Large Hadron Collider , CERN ) is to understand what way may this work and under what conditions is particle or energy able to alter its quantum state and whether it will hold in such state voluntarily etc .
There maybe much simpler way - technically - to enable fluid transfer of information and energy between these dimensions,
based on mirror-like capabilities of space and the fact that any 'luminous event' reflects perfectly in space-time ( somewhat like mirage ) when space is turned to somewhat more homogenous , reflective entity , charged by high energy particles .

Once a communication and connection could be rebuilt through to these 'luminous effects' and 'luminous beings' and protocols established for such open communication - on safe grounds - as presuming most will have to be technically enhanced at start to be proven -

many 'old fashioned material scientists' around the globe will go shaking their heads and disbelieving the news,
in fact I can foresee that the shock of these news will be enormous because it will exactly point out to the solution 'outside of paradox' - that's where most solutions to troublesome questions really are - rather than within it .

But many people get dizzy , scared, shocked , when confronting such matter for real , for the first time because even though all these dimensions are interconnected - there're a vast inter-space between them , essentially a boundary of empty space that deflects most of our physical and mental activity back to where it started .

[yelik]

The educational system is controlled by the elites where the masses are herded into a system of education that misrepresents human evolution, history, geography and science.

Where religion, governments and media corrupt our minds into believing we should turn the other cheek when we (the PTB) are abusing you; you should not fight back. Keep your head down and work hard and one day you might just get lucky and live the Hollywood dream. If not, then the next life will surely reward you. In my opinion this ignorance and fantasy keeps us from the truth of science and enslaves us.


We pay for an educational system that forces people to regurgitate the lies in order to obtain a certificate that qualifies you in perpetuating the bull**** to ourselves and others, this allows for rapid promotion for service to the system, the perfect cycle of control.

Statistically only a few people will break away and become free thinkers and if you’re lucky you’ll possibly become wealthy and might even be invited to join the enlightened ones.

The rest, especially students will largely be trapped by the cycle of debt and work for the rest of their life without even noticing.

In 1176 the illuminati secret society was formed as an opposition to Roman Catholic control over philosophy and science. They promoted open minds free from suspicion but evolved into bloodline control, NWO through interbreeding and connection to negative entities.

Based on this model of control and adherence to rigid rules I think we have some way to go before we align nature, science, spirituality and soul because it is still portrayed as mystical or supernatural which is of course total nonsense.

However I remain hopeful as I teach my children as much as I can about such matters which they will pass onto their children. Unfortunately the advancements in mind control, Nano-bots in vaccines and likely chipping at birth will serve to further dumb down our knowledge, memories and evolution. I think Omni’s 50 years is a good estimation.

This topic overlaps with Omniverses other threads

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76517-What-is-the-Difference-Between-the-Soul-and-Spirit


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76621-Extraterrestrial-Agendas-Extraterrestrial-Philosophies-Both-Polarities--Video-&p=896426#post896426


Considering that almost any person is quite capable of understanding that there is a fundamental link between nature, science, spirit and soul we must ask ourselves what is preventing widespread acceptance and teaching?

In effect it is a dangerous pursuit that will damage your wealth, career and lifestyle since it is designed to fall outside accepted science. In other words the existing control structure of the world would be exposed and put at risk, and we cannot have that, can we?

[Lefty Dave]

Greetings...and thanks for your post...
One would wish for us to find intelligent life here, first !;) It exists...just not as we think. Most of our innovations have come from back engineering items we 'found' from our "neighbors"...once we are aware of just who they are..and how they live...we may get back on track...spirituality...the love of oneself and the love of all life ...should be considered with each new endeavor...
My question is ...will the next generation of humans be allowed to learn...or made to memorize...? 'Cause everything about our future will be in their hands...if they are allowed critical thinking...we have a chance...if not...we're just hampsters on a wheel...
Blessings...
end of line.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

established science will not end as soon as you think. Materialism prevails - unfortunately..

There may not be a clear line where it has ended, and it may just gradually transform.

Your post makes me think too though that this transformation will happen sooner in some places than others. I think towns and cities with large universities are (despite attempts at academic control) becoming more and more bastions of free-thinking. I know this is the case locally where I live, and even schools like Harvard, MIT and Yale are putting higher-learning classes online for free now so that people can self-educate with access to professors and everything, and without having to pay thousands of dollars or have ideas approved by others to be able to graduate. You can access these classes for free, from anywhere on Earth, with just an Internet connection.

My girlfriend hears a lot of conspiracy theories from me, and she's not so much into them. So she goes to a fairly liberal major university here in a fairly conservative state (Virginia), and she tells me about how her professors are now suggesting the same kinds of conspiracy outlooks on domestic and world events (economic manipulation, illegal wars, even population control efforts) -- in the university classroom. As far as I'm concerned this is a great sign.