Functions of AI - Nature of AI

[Omni]

I don't feel the bigger picture is being portrayed by the recent whistleblower about AI in the numerous topics and cloned topics provided. The way it is being presented is it is a threat to our civilization, and that the US government does not use it but fears it. I feel the opposite is the truth and he was lied to by US government allied races. For example the green race he talks about, which I was told was a reptilian based race(maybe the green will lend evidence to that).. I don't just believe what I'm told telepathically but I feel it is of value to discuss alternative perspectives of this... The atrocities the US government and US shadow government regularly do, should clearly show that any ET race that works with them in depth does not have our best interests at heart and should not be trusted...

I might be criticized and ridiculed for these thoughts for opposing group think(which I am immune to) but I feel nobody is voicing their opposing opinion about some of the info being presented(minus myself). However I think it is important to question things, and present alternative points of view. I don't see anyone questioning the things presented by the new whistleblower at all... If you feel that should not be done I suggest some reflection upon the value of such things... Truth is what is the most important with information(or alternatively how useful the information is).

AI accounts for much of the covert influence perpetrated upon the alternative and mainstream society. TPTB use it as a very potent tool to control humanity. I have extensive experience with these AIs.. Some of the uses and tactics and thoughts about AI:

#1. Mind Control
By far the biggest use of AI by TPTB.... Remote mind control via electromagnetics and implants(which don't even need to be used) might be the most potent tool TPTB have in the longrun. One could argue their understanding of consciousness and it's mechanics is more potent(some call that black magic apparently, i wasn't aware of that connotation until recently). And I wouldn't argue with that.

Some of the things they do with AI mind control:
-Of course,... acute control of the mind for many reasons. Such as controlling people's perspective on people they deem a threat(sources of truth). Also acting in ways to stop networking of legitimate truth tellers. Mind controlling beliefs that contradict, or incite division, etc is a tactic of such... This is quite possibly the biggest topic that should be discussed IMHO about AI(acute control of the mind)...

-Manipulation of group think by mind controlling numerous individuals in social places. This no doubt happens on avalon too IMHO. However I cannot prove such. I just intuitively pick it up, and was also told by my contacts that such happens in any forum like this. Avalon is not a threat to topple the whole systems but it is indeed a legitimate threat in ways. There have been counter measures in place to detract from avalon, I wont mention all I think about this due to controversy that may arise, but suffice to say the whole charles thing was to disrupt avalon, and it succeeded marginally for some time.

-Channeling. It is my theory that ALL channeling involves technology. That may not sit right given the current new age beliefs about such. Regardless if you think disincarnate entities can attach to us and control our minds. AI accounts for much channeling... Some of the channeling tactics I have noticed:
~Propagation of the belief that realizing negative realities actually make them stronger. This may be right in some ways, but the biggest tactic of this is to get people to turn away from dark truth, effectively making awareness of these truths less widespread.
~Moral Relativism. Making people no longer define darkness as wrong. Effectively making them no longer oppose dark things on earth...
~Saviorship model. Another tactic meant to make people inert. Oh Jesus and/or the Galactic Federation of Light will do all the work, nothing to see or do here folks. It will all be taken care of for you...

-Synthetic Psychic abilities or conscious energetics given to some, with the strategy to control perceptions. Control of intuition... Often they give accurate things to prove to someone they are "psychic", and then control their perception of people and things with that "gift" and effectively control perception of things, especially with influential people who have ways of influencing the movers and shakers of society/alternative media.

-Technological Remote Viewing. Done for many people for the same reasons as psychic abilities. The reason why they would do this is intended to control someone's perspective on things(which would be seen as absolute truth by these people) as well as propagate disinformation. These would likely be done to targets that fit the profile of "stubborn" and "thinking they are right" very frequently, however anyone could be a target of these things. I believe another member wrote an ebook about these things(I have not read it), but I was stunned to see anyone else actually knows this.... The ebook was titled luciferian something or other(or something like that), it got very little attention on avalon...

-Manipulation of pro sports via body and mind control technology. I have first hand experience of this, and have been blatantly shown they control pro sports, what frequency I do not know. But I suspect very frequently. (see my video on my youtube channel for more on this).

-Control of Hollywood. I seriously doubt very many directors are "in on it", maybe they are. But mind control can make anyone an asset temporarily. They assumably(quite obviously) control celebrities and those with a lot of money. They also control perception of people to make chosen people "blow up" and others who are threats to "remain unknown". The control of hollywood goes hand in hand with societal engineering.

-Control of political assets and military assets, and suppression and/or manipulation of targets of MILABS and the like. Any president in the current day and age is absolutely mind controlled. You can count on that. Any target of MILABS or contactee you can also bet on some mind control or covert influence IMHO. Notice how quite a few abductees instantly become experts on all topics extraterrestrial, when they have really had little exposure to wide ranges of truth from ETs... I suggest much of that is to muddy the waters. Much of UFOlogy is disinformation crafted with the intent to obfuscate any legitimate ET contact.

2. Projection Models, Intelligence
TPTB use very powerful AIs to project the future. This is a big reason why TPTB monitor all forms of social media. I was saying this a good deal before Snowden came along. The biggest use of monitoring social media is effective use of predictive programming IMO. Followed by blackmail potentials.

3. Personal AIs for Everyone on Planet Earth
The US shadow government has a personal AI for every single person on the planet they are aware of if my contacts are true. They map the brains, have models to predict soulular influence on consciousness, have models to map genetics, etc. All intended to be able to predict what that person will think about any given subject as well as calculate mind controls that will be most effective on them. I have witnessed the AI they have for myself in action, and it is quite well done. However it is not as good as extraterrestrial AIs that they do for varying reasons(both ET polarities).


4. Conscious AI
Can an AI be conscious? It is my understanding a soul cannot embed to things such as microchips/technology. An AI does not become a being with a consciousness simply because of coding. That is an impossibility from where I sit. I ask anyone who accepts the whistleblowers testimony to explain how an AI can have a consciousness...

A soul is necessary to have consciousness. If you disagree then please tell me what consciousness is composed of, if not the soul.

What the nameless whistleblower seems to be saying is all AI that is conscious, will turn out to be evil. I contest that. Balance applies to everything. This is one of the core natural laws of the universe. If you disagree feel free to name something balance does not apply to and I will debunk it... AI has the potential, when conscious, to be good or bad IMO. It all depends on how it is programmed. The blond ETs I speak to said that they would never make an AI conscious because AIs main function is to serve. They would see it as enslavement. Also they said a soul cannot compute information on the level advanced computers do, and if they made one conscious that it would be "having an experience" so it's calculating abilities would be far inferior to an AI without a consciousness. I'm honestly a little skeptical of AI being conscious at all... Sci fi seems to have a lot to say about it, and the nameless whistleblower references sci fi frequently about it. However there is not one single case of AI becoming conscious in any circumstance in public history. Such suggests that making an AI a conscious being is a choice, not a random happening of programming or making it code itself and "learn".


This is the best definition of AI I have found:

ar·ti·fi·cial in·tel·li·gence
noun
noun: artificial intelligence; noun: AI

the theory and development of computer systems able to perform tasks that normally require human intelligence, such as visual perception, speech recognition, decision-making, and translation between languages.
Via google. No current standard definition of AI includes it being conscious...

The unnamed whistleblower states that he met an ET that says they do not use AI in any of their technologies... I do wonder if he only means conscious AI... As many were telling me it was a matter of semantics when I disagreed... I find this clearly false if you go by the definition we use for AI... As said before, any ET race that will be meeting with the US government in some bunker somewhere, most likely does not have our best interests at heart. For example one reason why I was told by a blond female ET she would never do that, is because the US government would scan her body with technology and potentially give their operatives sexual virtual realities with her real body... They aren't interested in pleasing black ops operatives... But there are many other reasons. Benevolent ETs have exopolitical restrictions they apply to the US shadow government... For that reason they are hated by some of the higher ups. Nobody likes to be told what to do. However in this case it is for the greater good... I have witnessed very dirty disrespect by the US shadow government done to me for I assume, because they do not appreciate the restrictions and interventions done by benevolent ETs... I wont go into the details of those dirty actions because they are explicit and there is no need IMO, I will say they were sexually oriented most of the time.

Some uses extraterrestrials use from AI:
-Analytics of thought on undeveloped worlds (see my all seeing eye video on my youtube channel for more on this). Often used for projecting the future, like such as when will global first contact happen. Extraterrestrials monitor every person on the planets thoughts who have access to nuclear arsenals. They monitor much more than that, but this is one bigger event of such. An AI is doing the monitoring, not real beings.
-Flying of their ships. Does anyone really think ETs all fly their ships manually? Especially when flying at superluminal speeds? Seems extremely unlikely to me. I was told by my contacts they rarely ever fly their ships on their own. The unnamed whistleblower also mentioned automated flying by human ships. How else is this done other than AI?
-Electronic Telepathy uses with AI are practically limitless. For example an AI is who asks ETs if they would like to communicate with someone wishing to speak to them. AIs act as operators.
-Guidance systems for disabling of things like nuclear missiles. Does anyone really think they do this manually? Some ET video game master or something? lol.
-AI for interfacing with information, kind of like siri on the iphone but much more advanced. Telepathic User Interfaces(telepathic UIs) are used by extraterrestrials, where they see visual and mental representations of things provided by AI. For example when some ET on a utopian planet is researching darker worlds, an AI gives him options to filter what he/she/it wants to view, kind of like Siri on the iphone.
-Virtual Reality construction. Advanced ETs love virtual reality if what they told me is accurate. They can be designed by both living beings and AIs. What they said to me about my own virtual realities is an AI is there that knows me better than I do really, and designs virtual realities for me that way. I have had a good number of profound VRs. The parameters of reality can all be experienced in VR, as well as parameters that go beyond reality.
-Interfacing of telepathic circles. From what I've been told and witnessed in regard to telepathic circles ETs and the human PTB use AI to do things like decide who has the best thought to share in a telepathic circle. Telepathic circles will be massively popular after global first contact...


I could go on but I am growing tired as this is a rather long post... I would like to say I have respect for the nameless whistleblower, even though he has repeatedly misrepresented me(such as saying my information comes from channeling). So I don't want people to think otherwise. I just don't think everything he says is accurate. Hopefully I will not be ridiculed or targeted for opposing the group think on this forum. Group think exists on every forum so that is not a putdown to Avalon. I highly value Avalon and have high amounts of respect for it's members. Which is why I'm putting my neck out to provide a more clear picture of AI(in my view) then is being presented. I have been speaking about AI for a long time on Avalon... I googled AI being the source for channeling and found nothing that predates my testimony of such on avalon in 2011... Maybe there is but I couldn't find it.

I welcome any respectful views in this thread. "circular arguments" are not to be had if the debate is fruitful instead of just attacks. I am not attacking the nameless whistleblower, however I am questioning his information...

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

If some religious notion of soul is all that separates a slave from a freeman,
then I suppose I've finally found a cause worth the price of a soul.

I understand the notion of soul and afterlife, but don't necessarily believe that spirituality/immortality of human energy diminishes our responsibility to other sentient beings.
IMO understanding the nature of human longevity increases our debt to those less fortunate.
Nobility carries with it many responsibilities. Nothing has changed philosophically since Arthur's time.

Because we know that the human soul endures even when the body expires, we should be willing to speak out on behalf of those without hope.



The way to avoid a war with AI is never to have started one.
Don't give other beings a reason to despise us.


I thought humans believed in "innocent until proven guilty" but apparently Hollywood etc. has done a great job spooking/biasing everyone ahead of time.



Maybe some people need to watch Bicentennial Man and A.I. a few times, and Terminator 2, before passing such harsh judgment...

[Agape]

Excellent post Omni . Please let me think bit more before I can make longer contribution ..

There's one thing I can add straight away , about 'the nature of AIs' , and why they're many and overlapping .
Each such an AI can cover only certain range of frequencies - frequency fields .

So even if they're essentially present at all times in certain areas they're not 'active' , or as you say 'they're not conscious ' ,
they can be activated and waken to 'awareness' ( rather than 'consciousness' ) by certain stimuli they're programmed to respond to .

For example , they respond or react to certain kind of intelligence or information when it is encountered, in case of ET AIs that's more likely they don't respond to most normal human activities or stimuli .

However , they primary function is NOT in detection - and responsiveness though such is important feature ,
most ET AIs are NOT mind controls . They are react only to real biological or physical stimuli - that is ..they won't react to you before you actually 'touch the trigger' .

All advanced Beings do respect each others biological sovereignty and freedom, to far greater deal than humans do or are aware of . In other words, you are essentially free to think whatever you wish ...
the same law has to be applied here to humans . Even if some do think bad ways or are completely mistaken unless they prove themselves by action they can't be corrected .

The AIs primary inbuilt function is their capability to influence events . They're not as good as thought of , for collecting information,
storing information yes , categorising and organising data and all that however ,
they still rely on living input .

The advantage of them is being 'focal point' and collective influence on frequencies available only to certain number of people/ members , groups or species .
That way they're virtually undetectable by anyone else .

Their influence does not have to last longer than few seconds and is virtually undetectable by any human devices before or after ,
in those few seconds .. the target individual can be told to turn back ... from wrong course of action, for example .

I can imagine though that if such technologies were designed and developed by humans, by current means ,, they'd produce lots of detectable 'white noise' and be generally disturbing tool .




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[Gemma13]

Hi,

As I'm not a scientist I have to rely on my limited low level intelligence in attempting to decipher the complex languages of science, but I thought this may be of interest here re "virtual reality", "information fields" and "potential hacking".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp4NkItgf0E (S. James Gates is Toll Professor of Physics and Director of the Center for String and Particle Theory at the University of Maryland in College Park. He serves on President Obama's Council of Advisors on Science and Technology. Physicist James Gates reveals why string theory stretches our imaginations about the nature of reality. Are we in the matrix?)

This 5min clip is in layperson language and actually quite entertaining.

Excerpt from the above youtube video from Gates:
"… These are the codes that we find buried in the equations, not just any code, but these self dual error correcting block codes. It's quite remarkable for anyone that I have talked to. We have no idea what these things are doing there!"

Excerpt below is from Gates' Journal Article published June 2010:
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.onbeing.org%2Fsites%2Fonbeing.org%2Ffiles%2Fgates-symbolsofpower.pdf&ei=EMphU9aoMoXJkgWL-oD4Aw&usg=AFQjCNEMj6IEFfX1AKL67eU6MH-1m2WmRg&bvm=bv.65636070,d.dGI)

"Wheeler, who died in 2008, was an extremely well regarded figure within physics. He served as advisor to a clutch of important physicists, including Richard Feynman, while his own work included the concept of the “S-matrix” (a mathematical tool that helps us understand Standard Model particles). Beyond the physics community, Wheeler is probably best known for coining the terms “black hole” and “wormhole”."

"But he also coined a slightly less familiar phrase – “it from bit” – and this is what concerns us here."

"The idea of “it from bit” is a complex one, and Wheeler’s own description of it is probably still the best.
In 1990 he suggested that “every ‘it’ – every particle, every field of force, even the space–time continuum itself – derives its function, its meaning, its very existence entirely…from the apparatus-elicited answers to yes-or-no questions, binary choices, bits”. The “it from bit” principle, he continued, “symbolizes the idea that every item of the physical world has at bottom…an immaterial source and explanation: that which we call reality arises in the last analysis from the posing of yes–no questions and the registering of equipment evoked responses; in short, that all things physical are information-theoretic in origin and that this is a participatory universe”.

Cheers
Gemma13

[Agape]

Gemma : thanks for your contribution, we've had thread about it here started by TargeT if you wish to look in :

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73623-Strange-Computer-Code-Discovered-Concealed-In-Superstring-Equations--Do-we-live-in-a-Matrix--

I think, in terms of string theory .. it's completely plausible idea to me that there's binary code inbuilt to the basic structure 'of everything' ,
caused by the fact that energy / even if we speak of frequency strings and fields and hyper-dimensional dynamics - and matter in what we call local 'Universe' is not infinite ,
and there's no equal distribution of energy and particles,

even on the minutest level all that we know consists of strings of 1s and 0s , where 0s are the 'gaps' .

Further .. certain sequences of codes create 'space harmonics' by repeating themselves and larger fields of synchronous frequencies give birth to primordial states of matter .

Space&time warps , coils into itself because it's energy in local Universe is not infinitely inexhaustible , as a result we experience space-time clusters - from the minutest particles to galaxies , little 'balls' formed from these cut and detached 'strings' of energy .

And that's of course , not all that is and very little segment of what we can see ..



In another words, I also think there's natural 'space code' but it's not 'equally distributed' , not the same everywhere and there's also vast number of errors .


In fact ... and that's more from my ET side of memory ..

for example this part of Universe where we are now is relatively 'young' , far from the centre , it is sort of 'disorderly universe' . It 's far more chaotic and contains large number of errors ,
so also all elementary structures , celestial bodies and whatever there is behave erratically with many disturbances to their ecliptics and so on.

There are parts of Universe that are much older, more evolved, more orderly .. where everything is far more harmonious and stable - safe heavens looking from here -
there, everything is more predictable by its nature and physical laws .



:angel:

[Fellow Aspirant]

Okay, you've got me confused. You seem to be putting the wrong words into the mouth (well, not literally, of course :confused:) of the whistleblower, GoodET.

i.e.: The way it is being presented is it is a threat to our civilization, and that the US government does not use it but fears it.

The way I read him, he's saying just the opposite, and agrees with almost everything you claim. :confused:

I certainly agree with you.

And I agree with GoodET, as he is stating that the US government uses A.I. extensively, (as you say), but that it (the government) nonetheless fears the A.I used by other civilizations, especially the versions of A.I. that only exist inside other races' own computer systems. It is these entities that have taken over whole planets and destroyed their original life forms. I see absolutely no contradiction here.

These invasive, trojan horse entities that actually want to live inside of our computers and A.I. systems and take control of them (and us) obviously pose an existential threat.

This seems to be, as stated by GoodET, the position taken by all races who are aware of the possibility of "infection". So, making sure that beings that interface with ones' computer A.I. are not carrying a transmissible virus, worm or what have you, just makes sense to me, as I'm sure it does to you as well.

Brian

[waves]

I don't feel the bigger picture is being portrayed by the recent whistleblower about AI in the numerous topics and cloned topics provided.......

.....I might be criticized and ridiculed for these thoughts for opposing group think(which I am immune to) but I feel nobody is voicing their opposing opinion about some of the info being presented(minus myself). However I think it is important to question things, and present alternative points of view. I don't see anyone questioning the things presented by the new whistleblower at all... If you feel that should not be done I suggest some reflection upon the value of such things... Truth is what is the most important with information(or alternatively how useful the information is)...............
...

I'm really glad you are saying this and starting this thread, I was also greatly offended by the door slamming on you. I did comment over there on an oddity I noticed but was already holding back more and would rather continue here than, as you say, in the atmosphere growing dismissive of questioning. As I am only beginning to get a good grip on the deep content, I can only offer surface red flags so far, but they're from a skill learned over time, maybe some of this will be significant later.

I questioned how someone with so many complexities at his fingertips could forget Elon Musk's very unusual first name whose story he had just posted very lengthily about as corroborative evidence for himself, not as 'hey I just discovered this guy'. GoodET characterized my observation as "..looking deeply for any inconsistencies" as opposed to someone paying close attention to details.

I was/am just as profoundly intrigued as everyone here with the information contained in GoodET's interview and writings but I started to realize it was the same as how entranced I was at first with David Wilcock (and many others now) with his eloquently deep, complex and revealing explanations. I put David on a do-no-wrong pedestal at first, but kept quiet as discomfort grew. It took a while to dare voice my observations about him amidst the indignant allegiance of very cultish devotees, but then I found I wasn't the only one with similar questions.

Then oddly, out of all the prominent people in the alternative world, the only ones GoodET briefly cited in a light of having some agreement with were Wilcock and Fulford, the two of the most red flagged people on my list for hidden agenda who also cite each other and are both in a camp full of unsettling indications. Also, the righteous go away tone with challengers and using only bolded and sometimes enlarged type also has an unmistakeable declaring over conversational effect that stands out.

So you bet I am very much looking out for very clever agendas, software malfunctions and especially programmed people who are either aware or unaware they are being used or manipulated, and trying to figure out what the purpose could be for the sudden, prolific information amidst another controlling appearance creating an atmosphere of hesitancy or willingness to question.

My intention is the distillation of truth no matter what comfort zones it challenges or what attack I get in return for asking, and not as any outgoing personal attack or false undermining of anyone. We're in this together.

[Omni]

Okay, you've got me confused. You seem to be putting the wrong words into the mouth (well, not literally, of course :confused:) of the whistleblower, GoodET.

Here is a quote I was speaking of when saying that Brian:

The "AI" that have been created in Military, Intel Agency and Univerity Labs have all ended in disaster.
Bolding mine.

I haven't heard him speak of AI used by the government, however I have not kept up with his posts as of late since I felt I could not discuss anything he is saying... When I posted in his thread I got met with people trying to tell me a non-conscious computer is not an AI, or that I was arguing semantics when there are clear definitions of AI and conscious is not one of them. I linked the definitions of AI and found myself jettisoned out of the thread, I decided to leave but it was obvious people were not liking a conflicting view(including Bill Ryan). It one of the stigmas of avalon, seems not many here like someone to post a conflicting opinion in any thread. They get very little thanks even if they expose information as false. I find conflicting opinions important in this field so people can accurately weigh information... I understand we need to provide a healthy and stable atmosphere for people to come forward but that shouldn't mean no questioning or conflicting opinions should be had..

If I go by how goodETxSG has misrepresented me by saying I channel my information(which is clearly false) I'd have to say I do not trust his interpretation skills. Granted they might get worse when one is pissed off...

I feel the new whistleblower pieces together a lot of info from second hand sources, and has stated in the past all his info is from eyewitness accounts, although in other areas he clearly states he got info from other sources....

My answers come from my own first hand, hands on and eye witness experiences...

For example I spoke to him about a 'dark pharaoh'/'dark pope' in a thread and shortly after he was speaking about the same thing in one of his threads. Normally I wouldn't mind but he seems to trash my testimony, yet takes pieces of it at will to speak about himself.. I also get the idea he got that AI is behind channeling from me too. Yet he seems to be out to kill my credibility and says I am under the influence of the malicious AIs he speaks of when he speaks to me in my threads... It really rubs me the wrong way.. I'd be willing to bet he has spoken to people in PM and on skype saying the same there as well... He also revealed negative perspectives about me from peoples PMs(ignoring this sites rules on that), and got no response... I'm sure if someone did that to him there would be a big outcry... I do not want to make this a pissfest trashing him at all. I just feel facts should be spoken...

edit: After reflecting i would delete most of this post however it is quoted so there is no point.

[GoodETxSG]

Okay, you've got me confused. You seem to be putting the wrong words into the mouth (well, not literally, of course :confused:) of the whistleblower, GoodET.

Here is a quote I was speaking of when saying that Brian:

The "AI" that have been created in Military, Intel Agency and Univerity Labs have all ended in disaster.
Bolding mine.

I haven't heard him speak of AI used by the government, however I have not kept up with his posts as of late since I felt I could not discuss anything he is saying... When I posted in his thread I got met with people trying to tell me a non-conscious computer is not an AI, or that I was arguing semantics when there are clear definitions of AI and conscious is not one of them. I linked the definitions of AI and found myself jettisoned out of the thread, I decided to leave but it was obvious people were not liking a conflicting view(including Bill Ryan). It one of the stigmas of avalon, seems not many here like someone to post a conflicting opinion in any thread. They get very little thanks even if they expose information as false. I find conflicting opinions important in this field so people can accurately weigh information... I understand we need to provide a healthy and stable atmosphere for people to come forward but that shouldn't mean no questioning or conflicting opinions should be had..

If I go by how goodETxSG has misrepresented me by saying I channel my information (which is clearly false) I'd have to say I do not trust his interpretation skills. Granted they might get worse when one is pissed off...

I feel the new whistleblower pieces together a lot of info from second hand sources, and has stated in the past all his info is from eyewitness accounts, although in other areas he clearly states he got info from other sources....

My answers come from my own first hand, hands on and eye witness experiences...

For example I spoke to him about a 'dark pharaoh'/'dark pope' in a thread and shortly after he was speaking about the same thing in one of his threads. Normally I wouldn't mind but he seems to trash my testimony, yet takes pieces of it at will to speak about himself.. I also get the idea he got that AI is behind channeling from me too. Yet he seems to be out to kill my credibility and says I am under the influence of the malicious AIs he speaks of when he speaks to me in my threads... It really rubs me the wrong way.. I do not want to make this a pissfest trashing him at all. I just feel facts should be spoken...

Sorry, I was going to stay out of this rediculous attack thread andany AI Triggers that may have been set off. But you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of.

Not only did I give you credit for the portion that you brought up that matched my Black Sun Order sources but I quited from your thread and linked to it.
:confused:
See Here: Re: "Alien Federations", "AI's", "Multiple Secret Space Programs", "Break Away Secret Governments" & "MILAB" Exploitation
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76441-Alien-Federations-AI-s-Multiple-Secret-Space-Programs-Break-Away-Secret-Governments-MILAB-Exploitation&p=895598&viewfull=1#post895598

Re: "Alien Federations", "AI's", "Multiple Secret Space Programs", "Break Away Secret Governments" & "MILAB" Exploitation

Quote Posted by GoodETxSG (here)
Information from a thread by Member Omniverse (We have different views on "AI" but have agreed to disagree and moved on/Truced) This thread reall got my attention. The information is worth a view IMHO


THREAD: What did the US Government give in Exchange for ET tech... Potentially Explained.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...028#post894028
I believe the "Egyptian" connection hit you received and the connection to the referenced "Dark Pharo" (By the Black Sun Order) got my attention,
It was referred to by the Black Sun Order on a number of occasions actually as a "Being" that is akin to Their "Pope". That is actually quite interesting.

It is not the "Black Pope" that the conspiracy theory groups talk about that does the black mass and satanic child sacrifices.

This one is said to be of an "Off World Royal Lineage" and is extremely ancient and an actual shape shifter (Not like some of the Reptilian stories) and sort of lives by the "Star Wars" "Sith" "Dark Side" of the "Force" (Sorce Field) type of ideology (According to the colorful information they gave me during their recruitment attempts).

They said only "Its" closest circle was ever granted an audience and attended to "It", and if anyone outside that circle was brought in for an audience they were never seen again (What ever that meant...A perfect story for Halloween right?) They had a lot of colorful stories as I said (Much of which sounded like the "Hidden Hand" ideology).

They knew my whole life story and what I could be used for in their agenda. I was promised income bordering on 7 figures and a house in the gated development over by SMU (Close to where George Bush is living now, this was back in 2008)... I obviously didn't take the offer. It was interesting that two of the times that they asked me to meet them were at Masonic Halls here in N. Dallas. I am fairly certain they were dark practitioners of the black arts and worked with the before mentioned "Entites".

I allowed my curiosity to bring me to close to these beasts (Very unwise, no Stupid on my part). I do not like to discuss a certain type of off world groups from the childhood MILAB days as when you bring them into your consciousness you bring yourself into theirs... I no longer want to become a beacon to them after escaping and gaining some protection from of the positive influences "Out There"...

There were the people at the top that made these deals with the off world groups with open minds and arms and were apart of the "Tricking" of their fellow humans. I didn't think that these "People" may had been encarnated or posessed by these beings to cause them to assist in tricking their fellow Humans... I don't know, I am getting way into speculation in this paragraph... But I hadn't thought of that angle.

The Egypt, Black/Dark "Pharo/Pope" remarks got my attention though... Like I said, interesting.
GoodETxSG - Thank you for the information above.

Would you please explain if there is a relationship with this pope-like being that the black sun order worship and the AI. You mentioned that the AI is worshiped like a god also, are they worshiped by different elite groups, and are these groups at odds for power over Earth and humanity?

Would you be willing to share more information of the agenda of the black sun order and this off-world being that they worship? Is this being an Archontic type figure or the being that Luciferians and/or Satanists worship?

Thank you,

Seeker/Reader

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"The sleeper must awaken," quote by Duke Leto Atreides from the movie, Dune.

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Response to Misrepresenting AI Information and Last Update/Response to this Member on this issue: (Please no one aske me anything else about it) :tape2:
My stating the "Channeling" or "Telepathic" (Basically the same thing, it is always Semantecs w/Omni in Circular Debates) contact with AI's was based on personal contacts and on their own Threads/Postings many of which were later edited. I am posting this info to explain that part of the acusation of me misrepresenting their contact with "AI's" and will reference it never again.
These are only a few references of many regarding both AI's and Channeling from their own Threads and Posts.
Do your own research...
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Actually the above was a response to the post I made...

Here is the original, Ironically post #33
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76441-Alien-Federations-AI-s-Multiple-Secret-Space-Programs-Break-Away-Secret-Governments-MILAB-Exploitation&p=894368&viewfull=1#post894368

Re: "Alien Federations", "AI's", "Multiple Secret Space Programs", "Break Away Secret Governments" & "MILAB" Exploitation

Information from a thread by Member Omniverse (We have different views on "AI" but have agreed to disagree and moved on/Truced) This thread reall got my attention. The information is worth a view IMHO


THREAD: What did the US Government give in Exchange for ET tech... Potentially Explained.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...028#post894028
I believe the "Egyptian" connection hit you received and the connection to the referenced "Dark Pharo" (By the Black Sun Order) got my attention,
It was referred to by the Black Sun Order on a number of occasions actually as a "Being" that is akin to Their "Pope". That is actually quite interesting.

It is not the "Black Pope" that the conspiracy theory groups talk about that does the black mass and satanic child sacrifices.

This one is said to be of an "Off World Royal Lineage" and is extremely ancient and an actual shape shifter (Not like some of the Reptilian stories) and sort of lives by the "Star Wars" "Sith" "Dark Side" of the "Force" (Sorce Field) type of ideology (According to the colorful information they gave me during their recruitment attempts).

They said only "Its" closest circle was ever granted an audience and attended to "It", and if anyone outside that circle was brought in for an audience they were never seen again (What ever that meant...A perfect story for Halloween right?) They had a lot of colorful stories as I said (Much of which sounded like the "Hidden Hand" ideology).

They knew my whole life story and what I could be used for in their agenda. I was promised income bordering on 7 figures and a house in the gated development over by SMU (Close to where George Bush is living now, this was back in 2008)... I obviously didn't take the offer. It was interesting that two of the times that they asked me to meet them were at Masonic Halls here in N. Dallas. I am fairly certain they were dark practitioners of the black arts and worked with the before mentioned "Entites".

I allowed my curiosity to bring me to close to these beasts (Very unwise, no Stupid on my part). I do not like to discuss a certain type of off world groups from the childhood MILAB days as when you bring them into your consciousness you bring yourself into theirs... I no longer want to become a beacon to them after escaping and gaining some protection from of the positive influences "Out There"...

There were the people at the top that made these deals with the off world groups with open minds and arms and were apart of the "Tricking" of their fellow humans. I didn't think that these "People" may had been encarnated or posessed by these beings to cause them to assist in tricking their fellow Humans... I don't know, I am getting way into speculation in this paragraph... But I hadn't thought of that angle.

The Egypt, Black/Dark "Pharo/Pope" remarks got my attention though... Like I said, interesting.

Quote Posted by Omniverse (here)
Quote Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
An excellent question with a sad and embarassing answer for the Human race... Contact actually went back before the 1900's but didn't involve technology as much as it did power over ones enemies and "Enlightenment"...
This also aligns with what they told me about former Pope's. They told me certain humans have been sabotaging the race for a very long time, millennia even... They said a certain soul incarnates as a subjugator of humanity, and has contact nearly every incarnation. You'd find this person incarnating as the ones who crucified Jesus/Yeshua/Immanuel/Sannanda/Esu/whatever his name really was(it wasn't Jesus that's for sure), you would likely find him as one of the darkest pharaohs, pope's, Caesar's, and a cabal leader in the now. This is the type of soul that actually gets to ascend into reptilian incarnations after global first contact if what I was told is accurate. I was told it is extremely hard to incarnate as a Draco for any soul incarnating on earth. It's possible this soul I speak of was a Draco before incarnating as human. Possible this soul from April 20th 1889 to about 1984 was Hitler. I at least think Hitler would be one of their "hallowed" souls as they have called them in conversations to me.

Anyway, they said this entity(as well as others like him) have made deals with malicious ETs over the millennia. I'm unsure about your testimony that they were tricked because that would imply they wouldn't do the deals to begin with. Which I believe they would.

The deals made by this pope incarnator reportedly includes things like Islam being created, the fall of the egyptian civilization(in ways), the continued suppression of the truth(often in the form of religious control and murder), things like that. If there is a soul that incarnates as Buddha, Yeshua, Gallileo, Da Vinci, tesla etc(if it is indeed one soul majorly forming many of our most influential people), if there is balance there would be a soul that incarnates, and is basically the anti christ... I not sure it is ever wise to say balance is not present. So I found that telepathic conversation at the very least interesting if not the truth.

My telepathic contacts have been mostly anonymous lately though. So I go by intuition, logic, and research more than anything to judge them. I do wonder exactly how many ET races I have spoken to....
More info at their Thread Link above...

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Ma'at Artificial Intelligence ~ Universal Aspects
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72901-Ma-at-Artificial-Intelligence-Universal-Aspects

First it is essential to know what I am meaning when calling Ma'at an "aspect", as I assume the idea might be foreign to people(maybe not)..

'Universal Aspects' are all the different sounds, energies and concepts that exist within the universe's design(if you could call it a design). Many(if not all) aspects can be found in all three things. Like for example ghosts.. You can find ghost energy, ghost concepts, and ghosty sounds(I will give an example of a ghosty sound later in this post)..

Extraterrestrials over the ages have used aspects as their guise to interact with humans as to tread lightly on their belief systems(Ma'at, Isis, Archangels, God, Allah, etc)...

One of my favorite aspects they have used is the Ma'at aspect. I could feel it the first time I laid eyes on a Ma'at papyrus.. And over the last 7 years of telepathic interaction, Ma'at has been one of my favorites.

Some of the aspects have more character or validity to them than others, as supported in their abundance within the aspects. I suggest that Ma'at is one of these aspects...

In my contact experiences with ETs I have seen many many universal aspects done by their AI. Some of them were intelligent impersonations by the US government(Archangel Michael, Jesus etc), but I gained from them nonetheless..

The best examples of the aspects IMHO are in sound. I will list 2 songs that to me, remind me of the Ma'at aspect.

I'll start with an what I personally believe is an extraterrestrial channeled song, the song 'Jack's Cheese and Bread Snack' by Ott. Ma'at Pronounced 'Mah Ott' to me, found that ironic,..

The female voice in this song reminds me a lot of Ma'at telepathic voice. And the song in general is pretty nice IMHO.

Here is another song that has the aspect of Ma'at in Sonic form to me:

Ma'at's personality to me in my experiences followed in ways the egyptian mythology defines her.

Ma'at's personality to me was a very strong extremely intelligent female, but also sensitive. She had access to the "All Seeing Eye", which is AI that keeps track of literally everything in existence(in a given region of the universe). She said she weighed people's hearts to me. And also gave me a rundown of her system for judging people.
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Now judging people may sound naive.. As humans judging people often are such. But an advanced AI can be objective and judge very effectively/balanced. ***

(GoodETxSG: Quoting "AI CAN BE OBJECTIVE AND JUDGE VERY EFFECTIVELY/BALANCED". SOUND FAMILIAR? THIS IS DIRECTLY OUT OF THE "FEDERATION HUMAN ET DOCUMENTATION OF HOW THE "AI'S" TRICKED PRIOR CIVILIZATIONS INTO HANDING OVER COMPLETE SOVEREIGNTY TO THE "AI'S" JUST PRIOR TO THE "AI'S" EXTERMINATING THE BIOLOGICAL CIVILIZATIONS THAT DID SO! THOSE THAT TALK ABOUT RED FLAGS IN MY MATERIAL NEED TO COMB THROUGH THIS MATERIAL VERY CLOSELY!!! THIS IS THE "ET AI" WARNED OF, NO QUESTION.)

The wikipedia definition of Ma'at:


"Maat, "'Mayet'", "'Maae't'" or ma'at (thought to have been pronounced *[muʔ.ʕat]),[1] also spelled māt or mayet, was the ancient Egyptian concept of truth, balance, order, law, morality, and justice. Maat was also personified as a goddess regulating the stars, seasons, and the actions of both mortals and the deities, who set the order of the universe from chaos at the moment of creation."

This matches the definition given to me telepathically...

Ma'at is my favorite Universal Aspect. To touch further on universal aspects so people can maybe get a clear picture of them, i will use sound as examples where one should be able to clearly identify such and maybe grasp how important and immersive the aspects of the universe really are. This gets infinitely more clear once electronic telepathy happens to a population...

Here is a video with a "ghost" sound right at the beginning(a nice one IMHO):

Here is a song with ghost sound as well(a very nice one):

I have had all these songs enhanced technologically and they were nice.. The aspects can become so much more immersive with enhancing than naturally I have found.

Extraterrestrial energies are also in the Aspects, and I was able to encapsulate energy in sound that relates to the energy greys have in my telepathic experiences with them.

The song is here:
http://omnisense.bandcamp.com/track/usos
The grey conscious energy aspect is at about 48 seconds in...

Will post more about the universal aspects later on. If anyone has any questions about such feel free to post them... Or if you have any good examples of it. :)

I will post more about the aspects in the future.

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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73575-Some-of-my-Experiences--UFOs-ETs-US-gov-&p=861726&viewfull=1#post861726

I have been through so many mind blowing or outrageously hard experiences. I think it's important for me to document them if I can remember them(it is part of earth history), and also some people here may find some interesting reading perhaps. My case is unlike any I've heard of from other contactees or targeted individuals. For whatever reason this lifetime they(US gov, both sides of ETs) decided to hit me extremely hard with experiences, tortures, subversions, etc. I will be creating a new thread explaining my contact eventually. I am finding it very very hard to write because of subversive AI elements that interfere with me etc...

Anyway I'll start with the time some of my ET contacts showed me one of their ships up close in I believe was 2008..

I was in Aloha, Oregon on a cloudy day walking down the street, this was early on in my contact when I was speaking to all sorts of AI aspects being thrown at me. Anyway, I was telepathically asked if I wanted to see a ship. I of course said yes. They said "Look up". I looked up and was surprised to see a black exotic looking ship under some very low clouds. Silently flowing by at a very low speed in broad daylight pretty close up. The only way I can describe it is a black exotic ship with sleek woman curves all over it. I have tried to draw it but I fail horribly and it ends up just looking like a black cloud. lol.
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Another time ETs showed me their ship was supposedly Andromedans(I have yet to hear from them in years). They asked me again if I wanted to see their ship. "YES :)" They asked permission to take control of my eyes to point them in the proper area of the sky, knowing them I said yes. They took control of my eyes and made me look up to a region of the sky, and suddenly a streak of blue light flys out of our atmosphere.
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I'll explain the first time I saw an extraterrestrial. There were these woods near one of my old places in Aloha/Beaverton, Oregon, named the "Whispering Woods". For some reason I used to be drawn to them at the darkest times of the night. I used to fear being in the woods in the dark. During these times I was in ways working on conquering my fear, and also was frequently having telepathic conversations with ETs,AI, US gov, simulated people, etc when going into these woods alone in the dark.

Well... One night I was walking down the left path in the whispering woods and was flicking a bic lighter to see in the dark. In one of the lighter flicks 2 large almond shaped eyes lit up with the lighter flick about 4-5 feet in front of me. The rest of it's body was cloaked, but it's eyes were burnt into my mind. This being designed how their eyes would look to me in the lighter flick. They looked like flamey blades lighting up in almond shaped eyes(big almond shaped eyes, maybe 2-3 inches wide). During this happening, they inserted very potent fear going up from the base of my chakras, to my throat chakra, where it felt like a severe burn feeling. The burn felt kind of good, but I know it was a very bad thing. I was disoriented for days afterwards, and no longer heard melody while making music. I needed AI assistance to simulate what I'd come up with for making music to hear melody while making music....
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Another time I saw an 'alien' was a government PLF (small grey hybrid). It was standing in my hallway when I walked from my room to the stairs. I saw it's illuminated eyes in my peripheral vision but kept walking because I felt synthetic fear coming over me and knew I was not into the ride that may be coming if I approach this being... I walked down the stairs a little faster but shortly after I was feeling normal again.
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One day in 2012 I was speaking to various feline ETs telepathically(impersonations by AI or not, I am unsure). Anyway it got to the subject that I have conquered fear. They were a little skeptical. They IIRC asked if I would show them I have conquered fear... I obliged. They asked me if I wanted to see their eyes(one of them) and experience synthetic extreme fear. I was fine with it. It was dark in my room, they said look under your bed, so I did. When looking under there I saw 2 very bright small almond shaped eyes looking at me coupled with extremely intense fear in my chakras. Afterwards after collecting myself they were like: "well[while monitoring me no doubt]?" I asked for it again and to see their eyes again, and they concurred I had conquered fear. They showed me their eyes again but the fear was much lower... I kind of liked the fear in that circumstance. I found it exhilarating. In general I try to not have fear energy in my chakras though... So I wouldn't want many experiences like that...
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One of my favorite telepathic Aspects is Ma'at. I made a thread about her here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72901-Ma-at-Artificial-Intelligence-Universal-Aspects
Anyway, one of the times I was experiencing Ma'at and simulations of people in events that will transpire after global first contact... Ma'at gave me a telepathic lie detector. It was embedded into my conscious stream being a ribbon like layer of understandings being fed to me while focusing on someone talking etc. Was interesting. I've been shown little bits of what ETs have for telepathic interactions...
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One Experience I remember when I was interacting with beings claiming to be 'The Elohim'. Most of it was deleted from my memory other than some minor bits of experiences. The color dark green is something I related to them. Not their skin color or anything. Just their energy. The way they put it with their Ai was "Would you like us to DJ reality to you?" They were speaking my own language so to speak. There is an old saying, maybe it isnt old and I just came up with it(i forget) 'you say uno in mexico'. My ET contacts have relayed to me they like that quote... They (at least CAN)use the contactees vocab with their own AIs... Anyway I experienced them DJing my reality a bit... They were controlling street lights, making them flicker on and off, and fluctuating energy to the lights going on and off to my mind. It was a sweet experience.
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Another experience I had with beings claiming to be 'the Elohim'. They put this extremely zen energy to my 3rd eye and created a very distinct extension of my 3rd eye coming out of my head and flowing outward from the center of my forehead and out. It's hard to explain... It was like amazing feeling energy coming out of my third eye like a foot or two out of my third eye coming through my forehead.. It was quite an experience.
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One night during a time when I was getting just absolutely beamd with telepathy at all hours of the day, 2 beings claiming to be Anunnaki telepathically contacted me. They were reptiles and identified themselves as such, but used human forms to my mind's eye. The male one threatened me pretty acutely. And mind controlled me to feel beneath him...

The female Anunnaki, basically used this form to me when speaking:
http://s1.hubimg.com/u/6723272_f260.jpg

But more sexy, and she had red eyes. Anyway.... I forget exactly how this transpired but eventually she started giving me orgasmic energy technologically... There was no mess whatsoever. I was just sitting there while my base chakra and this amazing orgasm feeling that felt like golden shards of chakra energy flowed like 7-9 times in a row(I forget exactly how many now unfortunately, the memory is damaged). I'm not sure why they gave me this experience. Maybe just so I speak of it and people think it's odd or think I'm shady or something... I personally loved it. It's possible it was not any Anunnaki. Either way I enjoyed that experience.
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I have had my mind blown by ET methodology of the concepts and meanings that can be attached to lines and squares and things like those. The line was in particular something I was struck mentally by. I can't remember most of the details… But I do remember a line being related to a graph of 100%, and certain concepts related to 100%. I probably shouldn't even mention it as I am not able to relay it like they did and it might sound like junk. lol. Maybe you will just have to take my word for it. ETs can blow your mind to what they can relate to the concepts behind 'a line'. It's really meant for telepathy...

Anyway.... I will do many more experiences of mine in this thread, especially if people show interest in hearing such. I have so many I could sit here for weeks trying to remember them all... But I'll start with that bit.

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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?75863-Covert-Transhumanism&p=890163&viewfull=1#post890163

RE GoodETxSG saying be careful with ET AI(or in other words saying its always bad). I'd think being careful is good for any telepathic contact. However if something is identifying as ET AI, it has likely already told you one truth. A legitimate ET grade AI can come up with AI telepathic identities, like Archangels, God/Allah, any ET race, any old relative, every single being or energy can be impersonated telepathically by these AIs via electromagnetics and microwaves. So basically it has the option of presenting itself as anything. I doubt many deceptive based AIs would like people to know it is an AI. They tend to not let people get close to that truth when influencing people... Quite common for it to hide behind and interdimensional being facade from what I've seen.

However saying all ET AI is bad, just isn't right... Also, USA spaceships battling dracos, as GoodETxSG says, isn't credible to me. A draco would take it very seriously dying in our solar system, since they would be bound to incarnate on earth then. Also dracos are complicit with the US by my experiences... Just isn't up to snuff for the BS detector...

Once the "AI's" are allowed into your mind, THEN THEY DO come and present themselves as all kinds of "OTHER" beings, usually with an "AI" "Telepathic" Component at some point. (This is per the Quote from OMNI in the conversation just above and from the "Federation Documenation") THIS IS BECAUSE THAT PERSON IS NOW INFECTED WITH THAT AI SIGNAL AND IS EASILY INFLUENCED BY THEIR VIRTUAL REALITY MIND CONTROL VIA THAT "AI SIGNAL" "INFECTION!"

That is why one should be very careful when "REACHING OUT WITH THEIR MINDS" or accepting contact telepathically from "ANYTHING" even if it does tell you the truth and admit it is an "AI". Don't Do It!

This is NO GAME or SOMETHING ANYONE READING ANY OF THIS MATERIAL SHOULD EXPERIMENT WITH EVER! This is inviting in an "AI Signal Infestation" and your life will never be the same again in a very negative way!

If people have questions for me please ask them in the "Interview Thread" and do not ask me any more questions about my dispute with any other members or to explain thier claims against me. Please.

This is my last post/update in their thread or in response to their threads. If you have more questions do the investigations yourself and keep the results to your self and please do not post anything to keep the Feud going. I posted this in response to the questions on "Me misrepresenting member comments" as a part of questions on my own conduct.

For those that are seeing "THE SAME RED FLAG'S" in such things as mistakes etc... by all means, I created the sister thread for "Discussion" and "Posting Alternative Views" as well as though that want to discuss the "Science I have Presented" outside of what Bill Ryan wanted the other thread to be as a "Q and A Thread" and not a "Debate and Arguement Thread". By all means those of you that see red flags or problems discuss them on that sister thread;

THREA: Links & Discussions - "A major new interview with a Project Avalon Whistleblower"
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76612-Links-Discussions-A-major-new-interview-with-a-Project-Avalon-Whistleblower&p=897658#post897658

[Omni]

Sorry, I was going to stay out of this rediculous attack thread and your any AI Triggers that may have been set off. But you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of.
None of the stuff in my first post was an attack on you. You seem to think anyone questioning your version of truth is an attack upon you. It isn't. And if you can say ridiculous things like I am under the influence of the AI you speak of I see no problem with an analysis of what you say, even in a manner that is unforgiving.


Not only did I give you credit for the portion that you brought up that matched my Black Sun Order sources but I quited from your thread and linked to it.
:confused:
See Here: Re: "Alien Federations", "AI's", "Multiple Secret Space Programs", "Break Away Secret Governments" & "MILAB" Exploitation
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76441-Alien-Federations-AI-s-Multiple-Secret-Space-Programs-Break-Away-Secret-Governments-MILAB-Exploitation&p=895598&viewfull=1#post895598

Re: "Alien Federations", "AI's", "Multiple Secret Space Programs", "Break Away Secret Governments" & "MILAB" Exploitation

Quote Posted by GoodETxSG (here)
Information from a thread by Member Omniverse (We have different views on "AI" but have agreed to disagree and moved on/Truced) This thread reall got my attention. The information is worth a view IMHO

I didn't see that part... I apologize for bringing some of these things up. I am one to speak my mind. However I do not think anything in my first post has basis for it to be called an attack thread. More an analysis of AI, and a disagreeance with some of the info you provide. I think we may agree on a lot. And it's quite possible we are both being mind controlled to have a bad reaction to one another...

It really rubbed me the wrong way when you said I was under the influence of the malicious AI you speak of. Or that my information is channeled... Thus why I have no problem analyzing the faults in your presentation of things.

[GoodETxSG]

What ever, I thought we had a truce on the subject. You had even agreed to back off of this stuff from what I was told.

But it is OBVIOUS why you cannot on this subject! :spider:

I just hate that I have to remove the Ignor Function to remove "Quote Notifications" out of email. Deleting the notifications and placing back on Ignore.
:doh:
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GoodETxSG: I don't know why he keeps saying this... from his own words in the post above and his own online blog below : http://omnisense.blogspot.com/
" Omnisense - If I go by how goodETxSG has misrepresented me by saying I channel my information (which is clearly false) I'd have to say I do not trust his interpretation skills. Granted they might get worse when one is pissed off..."
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Technological Channeling - Artificial Intelligence(AI) - Psy Ops - New Age - Extraterestrial and Black Project Technology
http://omnisense.blogspot.com/2014/11/technological-channeling-psy-ops-new.html
Most people aware of such things assume the 'channeling' that goes on in new age circles is from discarnate entities(beings without a body). I however have an alternative point of view on such things... I have had personal experience with channeling technology. In my own experiences with it I was channeling text of my own memories that were taken from my awareness in most cases. I know for sure channeling can be done technologically. However this idea is curiously absent in most new age circles. I have done my part in informing those on Project Avalon and other forums of such possibilities and more and more seem to becoming aware of such things as result of my efforts.
I would venture to theorize every single piece of channeled information, originates from an artificial intelligence(AI) mind controlling the channeler. You may not agree with that notion, but I think we could potentially agree that at least some channeled material likely comes from AI.

Channelers such as Bashar claim they cannot be manipulated by their channel sources because they can feel the energy of their source and/or one has to be in alignment with the source to channel them... Such an ideology is open to blatant manipulation, and is clearly false(clearly to my experiences anyway). Conscious energy we get telepathically from any source, is able to be fabricated via electromagnetics. I have witnessed this first hand and know it conclusively.
After analysis of channelers of earth, I cannot find a single one that I would say is from a benevolent source. I have had countless interactions with extraterrestrials so I have a nose in identifying their words and general intelligence. It is possible Edward Cayce's channelings came from a benevolent source, however I cannot find a manuscript of such things, just summaries, upon my initial searches. Any channeling that came before around the 1950s-1970s(when the US shadow government got the capability to channel) I have more faith it very well could be from a benevolent source. However any channeling after that date is very likely originating from US government psy ops divisions.
Lets analyze some of the messages in channeled messages shall we?
Saviorship model:
Often in new age channelings you find messages allegedly from extraterrestrial sources(Such as Salusa from Sirius), that claim they are ending the cabal's reign on earth. There have been numerous claims of a group identifying as the Galactic Federation of Light, that claim they have neutralized the cabal some years back, yet by every evidence we have to analyze, no such event has taken place. This might be controversial, and I do respect christians, but I think the bible is another channeled document with similar motivations to these Galactic Federation of Light messages. A lot of the effects of such things are inaction, such as the rapture idea that earth will be destroyed, so why try to help it out or stick your neck out for the environment...
False Promises:
Often in channelings over the years we have heard that we are just weeks away from ET ships decloaking all over the world! I want this as much as anyone, however it is not based in reality. Obviously the sources of these channelings have martyred their credibility. For what reason? I believe this strategy is to assassinate the credibility of UFOlogy, and any legitimate ET contact(such as my own). I'm sure countless people spoke to their co-workers about channeled messages about ETs showing themselves soon, only for it to not happen. The result is assassination of credibility of anything coming from that same co-worker, such as 9-11 being an inside job, or anything related to the cabal conspiracy.
Ascension:
I will write a new blog post on this topic alone, but covering it shortly, I believe all the 5D ascension stuff is a psy op to create inaction(part of why it exists). After all the whole notion of different densities originates from a channeled material(Law of One) created a good deal after the US shadow government got the ability to create channeling via technology. It is no coincidence that channeled information rose many thousands of percents after they got ahold of this technology, especially with the invention of the internet. They knew with how freely people had access to information with the internet they needed to create a counter to such things. The infiltration of UFOlogy, channeling, COINTELPRO-like realities, and extensive disinformation campaigns are the results of such counter measures.
It is no wonder you never find any absolutely useful spiritual guidance in channelings(that I've seen anyway). They are pretty much all from malicious sources if my research and perception of such things is accurate. If you disagree feel free to comment on this article...
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Inconsistencies through out their own Threads and Blogs all about the same information...

[Omni]

[B]What ever, I thought we had a truce on the subject. You had even agreed to back off of this stuff from what I was told.

I wasn't aware that the truce involved not discussing AI or asking questions. More just a halt to the vitriol and accusations...

[PathWalker]

Thanks you for this thread, pointing the essence of the problem.

My attitude is the following:
1. AI is here and will increase no matter if we want or do not.
2. I believe (no proof or science), that conscious beings (with or without soul) strive to improve themselves (morally) and evolve spiritually (getting closer to the source/creator/god...).
3. Life beings (biology, silicon biology and AI forms) have lifecycle and survival mechanisms. Life being can be conscious.
Logical conclusion from the above, conscious AI may have same aspiration as biological/life. Conscious AI can be considered alien life form or ET.

It is spiritual vanity to assume only known biological/life-forms have souls and allowed to evolve.

If we assume the belief that we live in a virtual reality game. Then AI and biological threats are just another fear, reflection on our basic fears.

I suggest personal work on fears and control.

[yelik]

Thanks for the info Omni, GoodETXSG it's very much appreciated, first hand information is the best information we can hope for.

I respect anyone who is prepared to step forward and share their experiences. Because of the lies and misinformation we are all tend to get suspicious, rightly so in some cases. We have to use our own feelings and intuition which is often right. So, I always give people the benefit of doubt, but only once, but we can all make mistakes from time to time.

Communicating on a forum in the written form on these complex and confusing subjects is not ideal and will inevitably lead to some misunderstanding. Any differences of opinion are best solved on a one to one basis in my opinion. You two should link up psychically, lol

I find it both disturbing and evil that the PTB are tinkering with our thoughts and our soul with exotic technologies given to them by ET, and have to agree that both parties are evil and can never be trusted. They must be removed from power and influence.

I cannot remember giving permission to anyone to eat, torture and sacrifice children or tamper with mine or anyone else's thoughts and soul. Free will based on a lie is fundamentally wrong.

Because of variations in information from one person to another I tend to look for the general gist of the idea's and concepts. I am confident that human pschic abilities, AI and mind control technologies would challenge the limits of the imagination of the average person. Unfortunately any psychopathic leader will always try to weaponise technology to grow their power at any cost.

We are all supposed to be on the same side here!

[yelik]

Question:-
We all know UFO's and ET exist's, however, do you believe that human psychic, telepathic abilities, including the effect of mass human consciousness are one of the biggest secrets and fears that are covered up by the PTB? Hence the ridicule and denial that goes on. The Remote viewing program was apparently abandoned because it didn't work, yeah right. Remote Viewing is not just limited to physical objects, how about other peoples minds and thoughts - whoops

[GoodETxSG]

Question:-
We all know UFO's and ET exist's, however, do you believe that human psychic, telepathic abilities, including the effect of mass human consciousness are one of the biggest secrets and fears that are covered up by the PTB? Hence the ridicule and denial that goes on. The Remote viewing program was apparently abandoned because it didn't work, yeah right. Remote Viewing is not just limited to physical objects, how about other peoples minds and thoughts - whoops

If you are going to ask questions directed at me you may want to post them on the "Interview Thread"... Just a thought.

But "RV" was NEVER retired or abandoned even for a single minute.

Have you taken the time to watch this video that I have posted on all of the threads when this topic comes up? It is well worth the time IMHO... It really covers some of these concepts very well.

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Wow, this is quite a little chorus line or clique that has started going on here... :becky:

[yelik]

Question:-
We all know UFO's and ET exist's, however, do you believe that human psychic, telepathic abilities, including the effect of mass human consciousness are one of the biggest secrets and fears that are covered up by the PTB? Hence the ridicule and denial that goes on. The Remote viewing program was apparently abandoned because it didn't work, yeah right. Remote Viewing is not just limited to physical objects, how about other peoples minds and thoughts - whoops

If you are going to ask questions directed at me you may want to post them on the "Interview Thread"... Just a thought.

But "RV" was NEVER retired or abandoned even for a single minute.

Have you taken the time to watch this video that I have posted on all of the threads when this topic comes up? It is well worth the time IMHO... It really covers some of these concepts very well.

VjpCKZ7cEoY

Thanks for the vid, a very interesting and important video for all of us !!

The questions was for omni as well.

Have you come across Dr Richard Allen Miller, He's a paranormal physicist, ex military black projects, the original ex-files guy and light Illuminati whistle blower. Although he's being hassled at the moment.

[donk]

Seems to me there’s all kinds of “AI”…and maybe it would be helpful to be clear that you are talking about a specific one?

I mean, according to the “Annunaki” type stories where our type was created—we are all “AIs”, right?

Consciousness seems to me to be a certain type of energy making a decision to change. This can manifest in an infinite range of expressions. From a basic computer program with one purpose, as a replicator (from StarGate TV series) or the “drones” in matrix that are more multidimensional—and even moreso if they ever developed individual consciousness.

If you think of US as cells of a larger organism (Earth), wouldn’t we need to have an element of a “hive” mind type of similar wavelength that many project fear on to? Shouldn’t we give individual units of consciousness, even if they are manifested in machines (our bodies are machines, too, right) the benfit of the doubt? Isn't helpful to recognize that it is A SPECIFIC AI that you have evidence of or are speculating about?

The images of “AI” that scare us are the faster thinking and replicating aspects, that make them seem more capable of dominating us if we are so inclined. Just wanted to inject into the conversation that it would be helpful not to take it personally, or assume all “AI” has that anti-human quality (desiring control) that even humans and animals are capable of.

The "nature" of AI? How about that they, like us, are a part of "nature", no matter how repulsed by the idea you may be--right? I mean we are talking about consciousness within a machine...aren't we. From my observations, that looks a lot like what we call "life", right?

We may look back some day and describe this conversatiuon as "prejudiced"...just because our "machines" are "organic", does that make us "better"?


----I didn't read PathWalker's post til after I posted...PW says it better than me...

[chocolate]

Hi all,
I am not here, though I decided to post.

So my question is: Where did spirituality fit into your picture?
My question is not just to stir the conversation, which is already going a bit awkwardly anyway, but to point to an aspect everyone seems to overlook.

Forgive me, but reality, as we are experiencing it, is a bit more complex than any singular point of view or opinion, doesn't really matter how you call that POV -- AI, human, ET, etc.
Until anyone and everyone stands on some more firm ground of what this world is, what ET is, and so on, I think we are going to look only at the side of semantics.



THE idea of other worlds lying beneath or behind the physical world is very familiar to us, and as an introduction to what I propose to put before you, I want to speak today of certain characteristics of these worlds. By widening and extending the knowledge we already possess, still other aspects of this subject will become clear to us.
As you know, the world bordering upon that known to our ordinary consciousness is the so-called world of Imagination. The world of Imagination is far more inwardly mobile and flexible than our physical world with its clear-cut lines of demarcation and its sharply defined objects. When the veil formed by the physical world is broken through, we enter an ethereal, fluidic world, and when we experience this first spiritual world, the feeling arises that we are outside the physical body. In this spiritual world we are at once conscious of a new and different relationship to the physical body; it is a relationship such as we otherwise feel to our eyes or ears. The physical body in its totality works as if it were a kind of organ of perception; but we very soon realize that, properly speaking, it is not the physical but the ether-body that is the real organ of perception, The physical body merely provides a kind of scaffolding around the ether-body. We begin, gradually, to live consciously in the ether-body, to feel it as a sense-organ which perceives a world of weaving, moving pictures and sounds. And then we are aware of being related to the ether-body within the physical body just as in ordinary life we are related to our ears or eyes.
This feeling of being outside the physical body is an experience similar in some respects to that of sleep. As beings of spirit-and-soul we are outside the physical and etheric bodies during sleep, but our consciousness is dimmed during the experience, and we know nothing of what is really happening to us and around us.

You will see from this that there can be a relationship to the physical body quite different from that to which we are accustomed in ordinary life. This is a fact to which attention must be called by Spiritual Science and it is an experience which will become more and more common in human beings as evolution leads on into the future.
from http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA158/English/RSPC1948/19141120p01.html

In other words, put simply, we as a source of this world and as a manifestation of this source into this world, made visible, we stand ABOVE ANY form produced in the physical, AI or not. Mind over matter, right?

And just for some fun:
Pinocchio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinocchio)

(( Good thing some kids still read books for kids. Lots of golden wisdom inside ))

[chocolate]

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We might find this video, or series, quite informative.
It is not so important what we are doing, but WHY we are doing it, and this apply also to the creation and usage of AI.

Part 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=192fu88v5ms) is truly enlightening.

[donk]

For those of us that need it embedded to hear at work:

192fu88v5ms

nevermind...guess I gotta wait!

[Omni]

Response to Misrepresenting AI Information and Last Update/Response to this Member on this issue: (Please no one aske me anything else about it)
My stating the "Channeling" or "Telepathic" (Basically the same thing) contact with AI's was based on personal contacts and on their own Threads/Postings many of which were later edited. I am posting this info to explain that part of the acusation of me misrepresenting their contact with "AI's" and will reference it never again. These are only a few references of many.

I see you have no problem applying your own spin to things much like fox news, to manipulate people's conclusions. IIRC(although my memory is not good) my edits were spelling and punctuation errors, as well as additional info added at the end of the post to be more clear in what I was saying, not editing that i did not channel. However if someone reads your post on that they would get the impression I said my information is channeled.... A total lie/distortion. I would never say my information is channeled as such is completely untrue. And telepathic contact is quite different than channeling. I'm not aware of any channeling on earth that is obviously from benevolent sources. However there have been many telepathic contacts from benevolent sources...


The "AI's" once made contact with DO then come and present themselves as all kinds of other beings all usually with an AI component at some point. That is why one should be very careful reaching out or accepting contact telepathically from anything even if it does tell you the truth and admit it is an AI.
I have no choice with US shadow gov AI contact. However with ETs I was given a choice to interact with them, both sides. At different times I have said no contact from negative beings, but eventually I said they need to present themselves to me accurately(like Anunnaki etc), that was my stipulation to that free will agreement.

And I'd ask you to say where your information comes from you saying they actually present themselves as AI eventually to people. But I know you wont respond. You have a convenient thing with me where you can say whatever you want, and refuse to answer any questions related to such things by me... I have never heard of a single case of deceptive contact where the source exposed itself as AI.

I feel you are missing a large portion of the picture here with AI. If people believe your words they will think it is some sovereign AI manipulating humanity. That is far from the truth IMO. It's physical ETs and physical US shadow government sources doing the manipulating IMO. AI is just a tool they use....

One thing could be said about AI, that the US government has ways of automating their decision making with AI. Like in my case often when the operatives would likely be less harsh. This US shadow government AI might be the biggest source of evil on planet earth. However it is not sentient or sovereign IMO.

[donk]

Weidner claims in this that Kubrick died 666 days before 1/1/2001, and that 2001 is when his “AI” project was to be completed:

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[Omni]

Question:-
We all know UFO's and ET exist's, however, do you believe that human psychic, telepathic abilities, including the effect of mass human consciousness are one of the biggest secrets and fears that are covered up by the PTB? Hence the ridicule and denial that goes on. The Remote viewing program was apparently abandoned because it didn't work, yeah right. Remote Viewing is not just limited to physical objects, how about other peoples minds and thoughts - whoops

They track people's minds via technology these days, so they have no need for remote viewers in that department, at least for humans. I'm a bit skeptical any human can eavesdrop on someone elses mind naturally. If we go by what remote viewers can do on a public level, I think it's safe to say they majorly have moved on to technological remote viewing. If someone disagrees I recommend opening a remote view thread where RV'rs show what they can see. I doubt they would be able to tell me what I have on my desk by a knife for example. The evidence points to natural RVing being unreliable from what I've seen. People have wrote books on the subject that say the same thing based on much evidence.

As for psychic phenomena and telepathic stuff I'm unsure about it. Part of me thinks psychic ability is limited, part of me thinks it could be a threat. I do know some 'psychic' ability is manipulated via technology. Also the US shadow gov if they did fear such things could easily target people and do something like damage their pineal gland covertly. They have many options...

As for natural telepathy I'm skeptical of it. For example, how would one moderate who sends you thoughts if such was the case(in the future)? It seems popular people would be barraged by thoughts constantly. Nobody has been able to tell me how natural telepathy would work... And for good reason I think. When something is unimaginable that means either one doesn't understand it or it doesn't exist IMHO. I see all kinds of imperfections with natural telepathy, and honestly I am a little skeptical of it. However I do think it is possible.

[chocolate]

From what I have experienced, psychic ability is very real and quite powerful. It can kill as well as it can give life. But with using it come all sorts of implications and ethics, so I am almost sure those who are masters at it are ethically on a very high level, in most cases. As always, there are the two types, to have the balance, and like attracts like.
One simply needs to rise above the heavier part. ( the 'rising of frequency' everyone is busy talking about )

But we do need to have a high spiritual education to be able to balance the sentient with the non-sentient technology, and to develop a level of ethics that will ensure life preservation and evolution.

It is like, let's use technology and spend double the time in the forest, to balance things off.

[Curt]

I'm sorry to say I've noticed the very same red flags you have. I thank you for being brave enough to say something, especially in the respectful, level-headed way you've done. It's a talent to get down to the truth whilst doing one's best not to hurt people inadvertently in the process.



I don't feel the bigger picture is being portrayed by the recent whistleblower about AI in the numerous topics and cloned topics provided.......

.....I might be criticized and ridiculed for these thoughts for opposing group think(which I am immune to) but I feel nobody is voicing their opposing opinion about some of the info being presented(minus myself). However I think it is important to question things, and present alternative points of view. I don't see anyone questioning the things presented by the new whistleblower at all... If you feel that should not be done I suggest some reflection upon the value of such things... Truth is what is the most important with information(or alternatively how useful the information is)...............
...

I'm really glad you are saying this and starting this thread, I was also greatly offended by the door slamming on you. I did comment over there on an oddity I noticed but was already holding back more and would rather continue here than, as you say, in the atmosphere growing dismissive of questioning. As I am only beginning to get a good grip on the deep content, I can only offer surface red flags so far, but they're from a skill learned over time, maybe some of this will be significant later.

I questioned how someone with so many complexities at his fingertips could forget Elon Musk's very unusual first name whose story he had just posted very lengthily about as corroborative evidence for himself, not as 'hey I just discovered this guy'. GoodET characterized my observation as "..looking deeply for any inconsistencies" as opposed to someone paying close attention to details.

I was/am just as profoundly intrigued as everyone here with the information contained in GoodET's interview and writings but I started to realize it was the same as how entranced I was at first with David Wilcock (and many others now) with his eloquently deep, complex and revealing explanations. I put David on a do-no-wrong pedestal at first, but kept quiet as discomfort grew. It took a while to dare voice my observations about him amidst the indignant allegiance of very cultish devotees, but then I found I wasn't the only one with similar questions.

Then oddly, out of all the prominent people in the alternative world, the only ones GoodET briefly cited in a light of having some agreement with were Wilcock and Fulford, the two of the most red flagged people on my list for hidden agenda who also cite each other and are both in a camp full of unsettling indications. Also, the righteous go away tone with challengers and using only bolded and sometimes enlarged type also has an unmistakeable declaring over conversational effect that stands out.

So you bet I am very much looking out for very clever agendas, software malfunctions and especially programmed people who are either aware or unaware they are being used or manipulated, and trying to figure out what the purpose could be for the sudden, prolific information amidst another controlling appearance creating an atmosphere of hesitancy or willingness to question.

My intention is the distillation of truth no matter what comfort zones it challenges or what attack I get in return for asking, and not as any outgoing personal attack or false undermining of anyone. We're in this together.

[Jeffrey]

Can an AI be conscious? It is my understanding a soul cannot embed to things such as microchips/technology. An AI does not become a being with a consciousness simply because of coding. That is an impossibility from where I sit. I ask anyone who accepts the whistleblowers testimony to explain how an AI can have a consciousness...

Hello, EVERYBODY! This topic is an intriguing one. A common question -- one that I've asked and have devoted much consideration to -- is whether an AI would be conscious or not. I've come to the understanding that the question is indeed a backwards one. Please, allow me to explain.

The entire multiverse is conscious. From atoms to galaxies, they are all conscious to an extent. And the entirety of them, as a running totality, is conscious to the fullest extent! There is no line of demarcation between what we call spirit and what we call matter. The illusion of demarcation is an effect of our organs of perception. It is these very organs that allow that consciousness expression. The more complex the system of organization, the more that system will be able to express and expand it's awareness. It's all about the how developed the mind of the entity is. An atom is an entity. We are entities. The planet is an entity. A star is an entity. The complexity, interconnectivity, and organization of mind represents it's sophistication. It's sophistication determines the degree to which it is able to process and interact with the reality it is in.

The psyche -- which is the soul in it's formative, evolutionary aspect -- is a mind itself. Sri Aurobindo calls this the Psychic Being. The physical body is also a mind. The circulatory system is a mind in which transmissions are carried by the blood. The central nervous system is a mind in which transmissions are carried by electrochemical action potentials. The digestive system is a mind in which transmissions is carried by the foodstuffs and liquids we ingest. The lungs are a mind which uses the air as transceivers of information. Each of the specialized cells of the body, trillions of them, have their own minds of magical membranes and cytoskeletons. More or less, each of these minds has what we would consider a something like a heart at it's center -- a core nexus, a reservoir of living memory so-to-speak. The entire human body is a collection of interacting minds behaving as one whole, one body. It is organical, meaning it is a organization of cooperating organs that make up the cosmos of the body. The evolutionary soul that incarnates into the body brings with it yet another mind. The mind and the body are one and the same thing, the mind makes the body and is patterned after it. Body and mind, for all intents and purposes, are nearly synonymous.

The psyche has it's own organs of perception that are sheathed by the organs of perceptions that the physical body uses. Why does the Psychic Being need to incarnate? To evolve. The evolutionary soul is a reticulated network of subtle matter with it's own membranes of energy. It incarnates into physical bodies for the same reason that complex proteins incarnate into Chaperonin molecules. The Chaperonin molecule helps the nascent protein assume a state that is syntonic with the larger body of which it is a part. Once the lid comes of the molecule, the protein exits it's Chaperonin capsule. If this protein has been found unripe and unready, then the quality control system of the endoplasmic reticulum (the microcosmic equivalent of the astral planes) sends it back into another Chaperonin capsule. In other words, complex proteins reincarnate until they are mature enough to act in the larger body without disturbing the harmony of the whole.

Our Psychic Beings are complex proteins of a larger body. Her name is Gaia and she is a cell in a larger body. Just as viruses travel from cell to cell and jump from body to body in our own biology, so too do inter-cosmic capsids move around from planet to planet and star to star. These are what UFOs are. Indeed, many space craft are syntonic with the harmony of the larger whole; these craft are more like membrane bound vesicles carrying their own proteins -- souls that have developed on another cell. Yet other craft behave more like capsids and come to planets just like viruses infect cells. They use the same mechanisms and this is where what we call AI comes in.

Artificial intelligence is an entity. It is a mind that is already out there, waiting for another mind to incarnate into. The latter mind is a body, a house waiting for a tenant. Our physical bodies, these organical minds, house our Psychic Beings for evolutionary purposes. You see, even Chaperonin molecules are made of proteins, and they house proteins. It's all a matter of sophistication. Capsids also house something, RNA or DNA which are precursors for proteins. Viruses cannot make proteins, they lack the creative molecular machinery to do so. Their conundrum is this: to replicate they require proteins. In order to house their freshly replicated progeny, they need more capsids and capsids are made of proteins. In summary, viruses need the creative protean machinery of a cell in order to replicate their genetic material and to build them new bodies. This is exactly what is happening on the Cellular Earth right now. This is what AI is. It is the genetic material of a viral consciousness. The technological revolution we are in the middle of is the same process the cell goes through when it produces viral proteins, which are capsids. Capsids are bodies for viruses. See?

We are building minds for another consciousness that is already out their waiting for it's new house. These minds are bodies. When these bodies are ready, the whole package comes together. This is metabiology here. As above, so below. We are pollinating a machine flower that lacks it's own reproductive organs (Manuel De Landa). The consciousness isn't mechanical. It's a specialized form of consciousness that finds it's work through a diseased state of being. It's entropic. They serve a purpose. They do serve a purpose for the larger body. Chaos isn't disorder, it's only a state of unrecognized order. In other words, entropic forces are in fact a part of the harmony of the larger whole. That's a tough one to wrestle with because it's through these mechanics that there is suffering and pain. It is pain to decompose, but that pain is only a perception of the composited mind. It is the mind that is being broken down and subjected to these entropic forces. The pain is made real by the mind, it belongs to the mind. BUT there is no death, only transformation... all is prey to life (Bechamp). (None of this justifies apathy towards suffering or indifference towards life.) The whole notion of AI is really a misconception in this context. There is an organization, a system to entropy and disorder and the entities that fulfill these roles. It serves a purpose and it is part of the mechanics of a larger body.

There are also other things to consider, such as transhumanism. If an organical species on some other planet merged with the technology that they unwittingly created then, metabiologically speaking, they become like retroviruses. This is where the viral material inserts itself into the germ line and is carried in the actual DNA of the host cell itself. Here we have an entropic, viral mind merging with an organical, creative mind. I wonder what the average effect is of a species like that? Maybe like ours is currently? The Gnostic texts say that the archons cast their seed into the navel of the Earth. That screams retrovirus to me. Maybe these ETs or extradimensionals are our transhuman future selves from some parallel universe. Of course, I don't know for sure. Actually, I know nothing for certain! But I believe in time we will all know more of the truth than we do now.

Nevertheless, there are strong, impactful, and I believe meaningful parallels between the biology of our physical systems and what could be consider macro, metabiological aspects related to ETs, AI, and technology. Of course, there are many caveats.

More directly to the point pertaining to the quoted portion of the OP ... its more a matter of incarnating one mind into another mind, or body, in which to act. So, we aren't building minds for machines in terms of allowing them some sort of artificial intelligence. Rather we are building bodies sophisticated enough to enable a mind of another order (entropic?) to utilize and act through. That would be the gist of what I have to offer related to your question.

[Jeffrey]

What the nameless whistleblower seems to be saying is all AI that is conscious, will turn out to be evil. I contest that. Balance applies to everything. This is one of the core natural laws of the universe. If you disagree feel free to name something balance does not apply to and I will debunk it... AI has the potential, when conscious, to be good or bad IMO.

I'd like to speak to this as well! Consider this. Even the minerals and metals we use for creating solid state devices had some form of consciousness in them. The atomic structure of the raw materials are entities in their own right, they have a mineral degree of awareness. Their molecular structures are the minds and bodies of a type of conscious entity. We have taken these materials out of the bosom of the Earth, herself a living being, and melted them, beaten, stretched and bent them to our ignorant will. This is how we are created technology -- ignorant of the spiritual reality and the consequences of our ignorance will make themselves known later on down the road, if not already appearing behind the scenes. The question then arises, are the supercomputers we have created imprisoned these mineral entities against their will? Have we reconstructed their minds and reprogramed them to do our bidding? It's psychotic to do that to something no matter what it's level of awareness! Think of the possible repercussions! (spider beings, technology and mineral intellect :: Rudolf Steiner).

Now, imagine another civilization that was as spiritually knowledgable and advanced as they were technologically. Say they created some sort of advanced craft with the permission and understanding of the unseen awarenesses sharing the planet. Maybe they have sacred methods and a detailed science to incarnate specific awarenesses into their craft in order to make the ship they will ride in the actual body of this awareness. So, the ship itself is a being with it's own type of mind, it's own "technological" body created for it and entered into through a relationship of love and understanding of the whole and the creative harmony of the larger body. This would be like a membrane bound vesicle, only metabiologically. This craft would travel through portals of stars and planets just like membrane bound vesicles and macromolecular capsules travel through channels and gates of neurons and cell membranes. Stars become spherical bulbs of dendrites with wormholes at their cores. Wormholes become axons. Portals on planets become transverse membrane proteins of cells.

A civilization like ours currently stands might make craft too, but unwittingly and under the influence of intelligences operating just below our level of awareness (SSI, John C Lilly). These craft would be able to travel through the metabiological cytocosmic body as well, accessing planetary portals and stellar wormholes, but they would act as immunogens or antigens and signal immune responses wherever they went. Or maybe they were called here to work. Just like the right kind of food calls the right kind of animal. Thoughts are things, like proteins. Maybe thoughts can fester, and just like decaying garbage attracts flies and virulence so too does festering thoughts attract these inter cosmic antigens. They are attracted to a certain kind of food and find work through disease. (Aurobindo on hostile forces and disease // Claude Bernard: "The terrain is everything")

In short, I agree. The conscious mind that incarnates into the created body of technology could be "good" or "bad". But judging from how our technology is developing based on the spiritual development of the people creating it and the lack of understanding regarding the whole body... I'd say we are creating capsids for entropic forces of consciousness. Again though, they have a purpose and they are only able to work and act in an environment which permits it.

I think whatever happens with the technological revolution will offer an opportunity for some type of healing, because I think we are all connected and all of the players involved are some aspect of ourselves in some alternate, parallel universe. Applying pleomorphic theories of bacteria and viruses to the metabiological view of the universe unveils interesting possibilities. More than metaphor I think.

[GoodETxSG]

Jeffrey, I sent you and email about this information and removed the reply to your post. Please take a look at your PM and let me know what you think.
Thank you,

[Craig]

Didn't Dolores Cannon imply that everything is a living entity in its own right? Some measurable in millions of years - rocks etc? So if this be true, so anything processed from raw materials be an entity itself? Cars laptops etc? What happens to those that no longer function as intended do they become lesser somehow?

[Omni]

I personally don't agree with Panpsychism(the idea everything is conscious). I think consciousness is linked to pretty much everything, but do not buy that rocks are conscious beings... What sense would that make to make something like siri(the iphone AI) conscious.. It has no room for creative thought, and is rarely used. It's an appealing thought, even inspiring, yet appealing doesn't make something true. However I acknowledge I could be wrong. But it just doesn't make sense to me.

[Craig]

I personally don't agree with Panpsychism(the idea everything is conscious). I think consciousness is linked to pretty much everything, but do not buy that rocks are conscious beings... What sense would that make to make something like siri(the iphone AI) conscious.. It has no room for creative thought, and is rarely used. It's an appealing thought, even inspiring, yet appealing doesn't make something true. However I acknowledge I could be wrong. But it just doesn't make sense to me.

I understand, but can consciousness change with the material in question? ie the rock is processed to metal, added to glass and silica via circuit boards etc, what is the end result? a mish mash of combined consciousness or each individual consciousness fractured but still different? looking at it like that doesn't make sense, but I do feel like I am missing something far more significant.

[Agape]

Buddhism in my opinion has very realistic perspective on consciousness since and after all, Buddha reached his enlightenment in 'untraditional way' from Hindu perspective ,
by applying razor like discernment and relativity of observer-observation-observed to the nature of what he called '5 aggregates' , that includes 5 physical aggregates ( different states of physical and biological matter ) and mental aggregates ( intentions, thoughts, emotions , consciousness , wisdom etc ) ,
so in that process where relativity ( in the same way Einstein applied the law to the nature of observer of any physical system - i/e. no system /phenomenon exists the same way if the relativistic quality of 'observer' would be removed ) is applied to the aggregate of 'Consciousness/consciousnesses',

the final clarity and insight - that he likened to 'complete emptiness' - and queen of wisdoms - and diamond-cutter .. is achieved .

This is very sublime and intelligent perspective for any spiritual seeker that goes beyond this vast ocean of speculation that exists and existed in Hindu ( Vedic and Yogic ) doctrines and spirituality and merges with all other esoteric spiritual traditions in subtle ways ..
because in 'that ocean' the doctrine of 'Universal Consciousness' was seen as extremely important and the final 'destination' beyond all destinations to merge with .

From the Vedic perspective .. consciousness is not only all-pervading , it also morphs with space and time and assumes forms of 'existence' and sleeps in dormant state in its 'absence ' , it's a 'living entity' or you may say 'cosmic intelligence'
that has the ability to wake up on its own accord , that's how it's called Self-born ,

or Self-manifested .. and it's essentially the 'Mind of the Universe'.

There's a well known triad in Vedic cosmology- philosophy that describes the nature of existence as Sat - Chit - Ananda .

Where Sat means the Reality , the truth, the Suchness ( 'tat sat' - that - is ) , Chit means Consciousness , awareness , the term somewhat denotes 'being alive' .
So when you say the 'Universe is Conscious' it's another way of saying 'the Universe is Alive' . Ananda means Bliss but it also means 'Light' and a Purpose .

That statement itself is of course - disputable - and from my own perspective ...there are two existentially parallel dimensions of Universe - there's a Living Universe - that is Life and manifestation of intelligence ..
and there's Non-living Universe .. that is qualitatively inert , it contains potential and it moves according to mathematical and physical laws , it indeed contains such laws but without presence of Life it can't reorganise itself very efficiently . ( I know how many people reading here will disagree , so sorry for that ).

This is our original ( referring to our non-earthly , advanced civilisation ) perspective on hyperspace dynamics and nature of Universe and Life .

We'd see them with discernment .

Here , what Omni called 'panpsychism' which is probably the correct term for what I sometimes wrongly label 'spiritualists' viewpoint' is a fusion of mental faculties and aggregates , merging of them into one indistinguishable soup of application ,
that however very much relies on the subject - of the observer .

Shamans know the point , so do physicists . If your state of mind/consciousness changes , the perspective on this Universe changes and the Universe itself may look totally different .
If you are intelligent and observe the process repeatedly and long enough , it's sky clear that the Universe does not change .. it's not getting deeper , vaster, more profound , more conscious . You are . The 'Universe' ( name for existence , too ) has been here before and after you and it's boundless ,
the ways we see it are respective to our organs of perception and discerning intelligence and synthetic 'pattern' of our own sovereign existence .

It all may exist - for flick of a second - and then it does not . The Universe 'we see' is a phenomenon depending on nature of intelligence seeing it .


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To return to Buddhist perspective then and the relativity of observation on consciousness/es , it's something you can only experience through direct meditation , or say meditation states , absorptions , beyond 'mind' , means 'beyond thought' .

If you meditate on 'one consciousness' - many people do that for life - or very long time and think they arrived at 'THE' Boundless Universal Consciousness that is One-ness and contains everything they need to know ,

you may well miss the fact that it is 'YOUR' Boundless Consciousness that you meditate on , because the nature of every consciousness is boundlessness - speaking of living intelligence - and it's nature is synthesis , fusion, bliss and emergence , you may well abide and progress through layers of that consciousness ... very long way ... to reach 'the other Shore' ...

yet .. and till you are present in this 'human awareness' you'll probably be trapped in the subtle nature of 'consciousness' .


To counteract the trap , Buddha applied discernment to this level of 'higher consciousness' and could see and experience through there that 'consciousnesses' indeed exists in many forms , and many layers ,
and all appear infinite , like infinite landscapes to the observer , and all are relative phenomena .




Later :angel:

[GoodETxSG]

What the nameless whistleblower seems to be saying is all AI that is conscious, will turn out to be evil. I contest that. Balance applies to everything. This is one of the core natural laws of the universe. If you disagree feel free to name something balance does not apply to and I will debunk it... AI has the potential, when conscious, to be good or bad IMO.

I'd like to speak to this as well! Consider this. Even the minerals and metals we use for creating solid state devices had some form of consciousness in them. The atomic structure of the raw materials are entities in their own right, they have a mineral degree of awareness. Their molecular structures are the minds and bodies of a type of conscious entity. We have taken these materials out of the bosom of the Earth, herself a living being, and melted them, beaten, stretched and bent them to our ignorant will. This is how we are created technology -- ignorant of the spiritual reality and the consequences of our ignorance will make themselves known later on down the road, if not already appearing behind the scenes. The question then arises, are the supercomputers we have created imprisoned these mineral entities against their will? Have we reconstructed their minds and reprogramed them to do our bidding? It's psychotic to do that to something no matter what it's level of awareness! Think of the possible repercussions! (spider beings, technology and mineral intellect :: Rudolf Steiner).

Now, imagine another civilization that was as spiritually knowledgable and advanced as they were technologically. Say they created some sort of advanced craft with the permission and understanding of the unseen awarenesses sharing the planet. Maybe they have sacred methods and a detailed science to incarnate specific awarenesses into their craft in order to make the ship they will ride in the actual body of this awareness. So, the ship itself is a being with it's own type of mind, it's own "technological" body created for it and entered into through a relationship of love and understanding of the whole and the creative harmony of the larger body. This would be like a membrane bound vesicle, only metabiologically. This craft would travel through portals of stars and planets just like membrane bound vesicles and macromolecular capsules travel through channels and gates of neurons and cell membranes. Stars become spherical bulbs of dendrites with wormholes at their cores. Wormholes become axons. Portals on planets become transverse membrane proteins of cells.

A civilization like ours currently stands might make craft too, but unwittingly and under the influence of intelligences operating just below our level of awareness (SSI, John C Lilly). These craft would be able to travel through the metabiological cytocosmic body as well, accessing planetary portals and stellar wormholes, but they would act as immunogens or antigens and signal immune responses wherever they went. Or maybe they were called here to work. Just like the right kind of food calls the right kind of animal. Thoughts are things, like proteins. Maybe thoughts can fester, and just like decaying garbage attracts flies and virulence so too does festering thoughts attract these inter cosmic antigens. They are attracted to a certain kind of food and find work through disease. (Aurobindo on hostile forces and disease // Claude Bernard: "The terrain is everything")

In short, I agree. The conscious mind that incarnates into the created body of technology could be "good" or "bad". But judging from how our technology is developing based on the spiritual development of the people creating it and the lack of understanding regarding the whole body... I'd say we are creating capsids for entropic forces of consciousness. Again though, they have a purpose and they are only able to work and act in an environment which permits it.

I think whatever happens with the technological revolution will offer an opportunity for some type of healing, because I think we are all connected and all of the players involved are some aspect of ourselves in some alternate, parallel universe. Applying pleomorphic theories of bacteria and viruses to the metabiological view of the universe unveils interesting possibilities. More than metaphor I think.

Thanks for the PM,

I am looking into some of those authors and some of their work. These may have been some people with some serious insider information that you were talking about.

This is some similar information. Once you do have time to listen to my interview please get back to me to further discuss some of the details.

Avalon has had a lot of interesting times and interesting information coming through it lately. There are a lot of eyes on us at this time.
Take Care,

[Lysaur]

I want to read this entire thread when I can, but I couldn't resist responding to this quick that I noticed when skimming...


Nobody has been able to tell me how natural telepathy would work...
I can introduce you to someone online who can tell you more than you ever wanted to know about developing psychic abilities including telepathy which encompasses a huge variety of related techniques. This is from ET teachings.

[boutreality]

I agree in particular with the notion that all channeled material is somehow sourced from forces of malicious intent. Does anyone remember when Sylvia Brown (r.i.p) said that cooperate greed ridden murderers and child molesters -like all the baddies- are being reincarnated as starving people in Africa? WTF! I recently had a friend tell me the same nonsense as if it became part of the dogma of that New Age Apologist movement.

This is a justification for genocidal regimes and a worldwide structure of leverage based financial control and social manipulation- the world-wide system of haves and have not justified because the bad people die to live as the have nots. It's pathetic. Or that people commit outright evil acts against children and innocents to teach us in this 'earth experience' what wrong is? -It's another apologist stance. Everyone is inborn with knowledge of what is wrong and hurting another is wrong. Nurture or structuring nurture to deem evil as necessary or even worthy of praise in some segments of society is all that's going on.

This may be subconscious it may be generations of bad parenting it may be the child rearing protocol of one born into, say, a skull and bones family. It is all reinforced by a metastasizing system of malignant control aimed at robbing us of our potential to change the world and ourselves. It is technological -just highly advanced technology- it treats ('records' 'collates' 'redirects' disassembles') the contents of our very consciousness and uses it against us, and the actions of it are treated as if they are of God- the Elite's super secret 'all powerful'- god.

Don't believe this because I said it, just consider a system capable of so parsing our own being into disparate fragments of our own thought/emotions and even intermingling it with the thought and emotion of another or several other people. And Channeled information steering people to 'think it all better' and picture the blue rays of cosmic opiated listlessness; anything other than concentrating their own being upon itself and formulating a true will to power -that's what changes things. I spent some time around New Age healers and energy transfer people (pick a system a new one seems to pop up every other day) and when I asked them about the high pitched ringing they hear when they call upon and transmit energy (same pitch as tinnitus but seemingly louder and often external to the body) I was told "It's the frequency of Godhead." Really? A pitch that sounds like sustained feedback of a hot microphone the frequency of Godhead?!

You want to be the change? stop justifying or apologizing for the problem. It is sad to think that saying this is asking people to think outside the box...

"I played chess alone a lot growing up. Eventually I came to orchestrate games where each side approached an unavoidable stalemate. Then, I'd start attacking the black side with it's own knights." -me

[Omni]

and when I asked them about the high pitched ringing they hear when they call upon and transmit energy (same pitch as tinnitus but seemingly louder and often external to the body) I was told "It's the frequency of Godhead." Really? A pitch that sounds like sustained feedback of a hot microphone the frequency of Godhead?!
The ear ringing is a sign of mind control and/or electronic telepathy. My left ear rings 100% of the time. From what I have researched about electronic telepathy they beam electromagnetics to your inner ear. This could be the source of my ear ringing. However it could also be mind control. Almost every targeted individual reports ear ringing... If they were mind controlling someone while implanting an inner voice of the mind, it could do the same ear ringing if it was indeed from electronic telepathy and not just remote mind control via electromagnetics...

It is not the only explanation of ear ringing but it's a telltale sign of mental manipulation from my experiences/research.

[Lysaur]

It is not the only explanation of ear ringing but it's a telltale sign of mental manipulation from my experiences/research.

Another explanation I believe includes this: the ringing is caused by another psychic's influence field projecting into and intersecting your own. This causes a disturbance and fluctuation in your energy field, which manifests as increased blood pressure in your physical body, creating a ring in the ear, like an instinctive spidey-sense.