My Take on Ascension

[Omni]

Revamped my blog, and plan on being more active on it if I'm able to. The blog is here: http://omnisense.blogspot.com

Here is my most recent article I wrote today on Ascension, it might not be popular since many believe in 5D ascension, but I feel it should be spoken to at least offer an alternative point of view:


Ascension is one of the biggest beliefs of the new age. It pretty much all stems from channeling material(see my article on channeling just previous to this blog post). The notion of densities originates from the channeled material Law of One, where it states the universe is composed of densities. I am not saying that such is definitely not the case, however after years of experience with the groups that perpetrate psy ops via their targeting of me, tortures, mind control, subversion, and psychological manipulation, I have grown very accustom to their practices, and I see them as likely behind the idea of densities.

However I do not want to make this article about densities. I will say that I find it hard to believe there would be no evidence of densities in science, if the universe was composed in such a way...

On to ascension topics... Channeling is well known for it having a foundation built on lies. This is likely not from discarnate entities having devious fun, it is from a calculated psy op division within the US shadow government who use potent artificial intelligence mixed with certain human guidance, to perpetrate psy ops in alternative streams of thinking.

To get an idea of the agenda behind ascension psy ops, one just has to look at the effect of such things. The effect of thinking everything will magically shift into a dreamworld, is inaction. Inaction is at the core of the agenda of many psy ops. IMHO it is not reasonable to assume all of earth will suddenly become enlightened overnight. This is a logical fallacy. It takes hard work to change the world, and this ascension talk leads to people being inactive in helping get the truth out and/or making actual changes(ACTION), since it will all change soon anyway. Much like the rapture model spoken about in my Draco agenda video, the ascension model is built to do the same thing IMO.

What is real ascension you might ask? I have my perspectives on this too.

Real Ascension Mechanics:
Genetic Evolution
Soulular Growth
Psychological Growth
Growth of Knowledge
Incarnational Ascension

These are meat and potatoes, real mechanics that involve ascension. Some may disagree with some, like those who do not think we have souls, or those who think evolution is bunk, but I doubt I have many readers thinking such things in this blog.... Just a guess(feel free to comment). I will now cover these mechanics.


Genetic Evolution:
You might think humans are devolving, and you may be right there. All the use of flawed prescription drugs, potentially harmful GMOs, geoengineering(the air we breath being full of harmful metals), and much more might be contributing to such things. Some seem to think evolution is not real, everyone has a right to their own opinion of course, but it seems viruses evolve pretty quickly. I am not up to date with evolutionary science but I think it's a sturdy concept personally.

Soulular Growth:
Some of my ET contacts have relayed to me they are spiritual purists. Meaning they only do things that will effect their soul in the manner they wish their soul to grow or continue in. They fully understand the mechanics of the soul from extended periods of time of observation, and perhaps soulular quantifying technology. There is evidence that some soul's are older and/or wiser than other souls. I think the endless discovery of knowledge and the universe has ways of embedding that knowledge into the soul. And also a soul over time can lose qualities if one is not careful. However I was told by beings identifying as extraterrestrial, that soulular growth is extremely slow in most cases, especially after certain traits are established...

Psychological Growth:
Obviously we as humans develop psychologically over time. Age is not always a marker for wisdom, yet many people by the time they are 50 or 60 have at least some wisdom. This is another form of ascension I see as valid.

Growth of Knowledge:
"Anyone who stops learning is old, whether at twenty or eighty. Anyone who keeps learning stays young. The greatest thing in life is to keep your mind young." -Henry Ford
I remember making a vow to myself when I was young, that I would never be so ignorant of things as I saw in old people I tried talking to. They saw no wisdom in any young person and thought of themselves as superior, simply because of their age. I also vowed to myself to never talk down to someone because they are young, and to treat them as equals always. I saw this philosophy expressed telepathically by ETs later in my life when I gained contact. No benevolent ET will take a hierarchal position, or stance of superiority over someone if my contacts are to be applied universally.

Knowledge is in ways power. Awareness is the answer to shedding the pitfalls of our current society. It is not going to happen through some magical event where instant spiritual tendencies are had by all sociopaths. That is just not practical...

Incarnational Ascension:

This is quite possibly the biggest form of acute ascension. My extraterrestrial contacts have conveyed to me that soul's have a beginning, and work their way through various forms of consciousness, eventually landing at humanoid. They said a beginner soul will make it's way through insects and the like, eventually moving into bigger animals with more creative thought potential, and eventually arriving at humanoid incarnations. They didn't say if there was something beyond humanoid that is superior, such as simply being an energy being/light being with no body, that is possible. However I am a bit skeptical of such things(beings without a body) when analyzing how that would be possible. Lots may disagree with me there and that is fine. I don't intend to be a guru where people hang on my every word as absolute truth... Guruship has faults. Such as all faults of the guru being transfered to his/her followers.

I'd theorize the final stop in incarnational ascension has yet to be reached by humans. And this step will happen after global first contact, when many extraterrestrial races open their genetic spectrum to be incarnated in for many of us. However from what I was told about this process, it will not be entirely based on just what people want. Many people would just want to incarnate as the most aesthetically pleasing beings, or at least aesthetically pleasing beings with the best genetics. It will be an invitation type thing, especially for soul mates when it comes to apex races, since most of them will have soul mates at that point.

In closing, I'll say I would do a more in depth article about what I view as the deception of densities. But I feel that would be too unpopular, so I will refrain. I have found opposing certain control systems is not productive since some are so effective, people will turn off to your information if you contradict their firmly held beliefs... I will say I believe the entire ascension to 5D etc stuff, is a blatant psy op to deliberately spawn inaction in people, and false hope... If you do not agree that is fine, take what you like on this blog and leave the rest. :)

[NancyV]

Nicely written and interesting opinions and theories. I always like to see people thinking about these things. One of the traps I see is that agreeing with any particular definition of ascension and/or densities is most often just a belief. If one experiences different "densities" or dimensions then they don't need a belief or a definition because they have the experience. If they experience something like ascension as it's normally described, then they usually see no need for a definition, unless they are moved to communicate with others. Definitions are, by their very nature, limited and limiting. Experiences just are.

Having experienced many different "dimensions or densities" through a process that might be called "ascension" by some, I don't particularly care what anyone calls it or whether they believe in the concept or not. I only know what it feels like and even describing that any vibrational frequency is higher or faster or finer or more elevated..... is just so much gibberish. But I do agree with you that ascension and the concept of densities is used by some to promote their agendas, to make money, to gain control, etc etc. It's basically turned into just another boring hierarchical religion, and yes, that includes much "new" age stuff. We humans are wonderfully talented at turning almost anything into a religion!

[sigma6]

I agree much of it is very metaphorical and anecdotal. This attracts "psyops" like candida albicans to sugar... (to use a metaphor...) Unfortunately many concepts in all languages are metaphorical. I guess the real test is the wider body of context that supports and explains the metaphor or doesn't...

In a way I believe in densities, but also I find there is nothing to "latch onto" no wider body of information to give me a better idea of what it is actually getting at, clearly some people I see are literally killing themselves with the ideas that they cultivate and foster while others create energy and life just from having superior quality thoughts and ideas. But does this have anything to do with densities? Can't say...

I am agreement with "other entities" playing games... one psychic admitted as much to me... by the same token, one of the doctrines that espouse this idea, the Nag Hammadi texts, a cosmological philosophy, as interpreted by John Lamb Lash suggests there is something akin to other entities, and possibly this "densities" idea when he was describing some kind of greater density in the center of galaxies called the "pleroma", there also resided god like beings? or higher intelligence entities existed... but how does this translate into scientific terms? and is that even related to this other "densities"? no idea...

I have no problem with evolution, as a dictionary word. Just not as Darwin studied and used it, If Darwin were alive today, he would have refuted his own theory, as he himself published and suggested. But he isn't alive today, and others hijacked it for their own political purposes... Turning it into one of the biggest mindf***s in scientific history. It is now crystal clear that without genetics or gene theory and considering the Freemason connection and all the misinformation, what was going on, was and still is 100% anti-scientific and political.

The study of Finches in the Archipelagos which was the basis of his entire thesis, is now completely understood as phenotypic variation, or adaptation, which up until 20-25 years ago was clearly differentiated from "evolution" Apparently I am now reading now that even this now is "sort of" an example of evolution! LOL... That tells me how desperate these scientists are... now trying to hide the true origin and meaning of the original work of Darwin. i.e. they have given up, and now we are just going to call anything that has some difference "evolution"... Bravo, bravo... science takes another step backwards into the abyss of denial and irrationalism.

Evolution attracts controversy for good reason. Science is not supposed to be the flaky business of changing definitions of words ad infinitum... It was supposed to be the elucidation of fundamental principles. With the purpose of predicting scientific LAWS. The periodic table was discovered on the assumption that if there were a God, and if there was a creation, there would be "beauty" or "order" and so the table was laid out with many blanks spots, on the "BELIEF" that there would be a pattern and order. So the philosophy of science is not antithetical to creation (another commonly insinuated propaganda) It was not supposed to be an endless constantly changing theory, with paid PhDs so desperate that they would fake data and insert it into the scientific community, for the purpose of infiltrating public schools systems in support of political agendas.

That anyone can accept this historically recorded and undeniable public information, as anything other than the most heinous and desperate crime... And we haven't even calculated the liability of damage, which ironically these same charlatans, when it so suits their purposes make a living off of (ie. insurance and reparation) ... have even bothered to calculate or made any amends to correct their ultimate breach of trust! (because they are still bent on hiding and denying it! again this sounds more legal then scientific...) Another sheer hypocrisy exposed in and of itself! But if one sees even this tiny tip of the iceberg and still is not be able to conclude something is wrong at the most fundamental levels of this propaganda inserted into the scientific community. i.e. until I hear rational scientific people who explain all the lies and mistakes in their field along side their "theories", and how they have all been corrected or fixed, (other then changing the definitions and meanings and hiding the numerous failed claims) I will have none of it and always remain a pro-active skeptic...

And just because the Biblical text is equally fraught with metaphors which are misinterpreted, it never claimed scientific validity but was talking of spiritual matters, yet ironically many people have done much research to show there is in fact a lot of uncanny scientific backing of many of it's ideas. i.e. it is FUNDAMENTALLY TRUE. And as hard as it is for people to comprehend, philosophy comes first, and is the foundation of ALL sciences. And as always, I must include my rather (still unfolding) belief, I am still struggling with biblical text. What it is exactly, as it keeps revealing more hidden information endlessly. Totally opposite Evolution, the more I read that, the more I question it's scientific validity, the shameless undermining of logic, the insidious subtle misrepresentations. It can sometimes read like the most convoluted philosophical text (which is impossible to agree or disagree with, a kind of psychological stalemate...) so technical and arbitrary as to question the author's true intention.

Biblical text does have a context of historical underpinning, it may not be what people think it is, but they can go and discover and reveal that. And I will gladly accept that. Doesn't make the bible false, but shows the history of how ANYTHING interpreted is affected by the politics and personal agendas of it's authors. I would rather spend 25 years of scholarly level research on the bible then evolution, in a heartbeat, any day. So much greater do I see the potential knowledge, especially now. And I don't think I would become a champion of the Christian faith either (unfortunately) But maybe someone more like Bart Ehrman, who I think is holding back key information (the more I listen to what he IS saying...) i.e. the Bible is a kind of record of, and was written at a time when metaphors were the KEY generators of words and ideas, and that is HOW language "evolved" (nothing to do with Darwinism :)

ie. It is metaphorical by basic logical analysis alone. And that more (questionable) metaphors were placed on it by the Romans imo, and then again by King James. Science is not supposed to be metaphorical. I see evolution as misleading, political and untruthful. There is an important issue of intention. I am comfortable with the Bible because I can better see the intention, and now it no longer affects my analysis of it, I am no longer concerned with other people's opinions of it, although I will always consider myself a student of it, I can readily listen to any speaker on the subject, I currently prefer the historical analysts and original text researchers mostly and am comfortable with my opinion of their work... I feel I can see where the "deceptions" were placed, WHY they were placed there, and HOW that affects the common thinking, and fortunately there are many brave scholars whose shoulders I can stand on... ie. it is what it is...

Not so with evolution... It may have had a "quasi" innocence to it's beginning, i.e. a young man studying flora and fauna. With a wild supposition that would make a great thesis of scientific enquiry, and if science was allowed to be science free from politics. It might have been a different story. So it's beginnings were innocent enough, although some even question Darwin himself and his "origin", as there apparently were freemason politics already surrounding it... Again the context of the time in terms of Biblical understanding, (which I wouldn't have agreed with if I were in that time!) i.e. the Bible as the unquestioned authority and the Vatican as the Sole Steward and Vicar of Christ makes it understandable why "evolution" was inserted into the human consciousness. Because the Vatican was violating the fundamental principle of truth. (and so it goes... one thing leads to another throughout history... ) One falsehood will never be the solution to another, no matter how well crafted (with rationalizations)

It has since become a money vacuum and political tool of social engineering... Everything gets back to original intention... and intention and truth are supreme in my estimation of how the universe works. Truth as a principle cannot be violated. Which is a biblical concept btw... and as a result, is antithetical to the origin of evolution scientifically and the following history politically and philosophically. And had it been followed "religiously" it would have been impossible to be living in the world we are today, where there is a hidden interpretation in secret societies, that have violated the fundamental principles of trust by suggesting they are justified in "lying" to "protect" certain truths (as per one of Winston Churchill's most famous sayings) Had these Freemason types not violated that principle which is now the "basis and foundation" of their organization and also the basis of the legal court system. We would not be in the situation we find today. The truth just can't be compromised, why I so vehemently can not accept "evolution" (however which one of the infinite definitions it supposedly presumes today, which is a telling joke in and of itself...)

So one can play with words endlessly because they have been changing the definition of what they have been saying, and not in a "scientific" way but in a misleading and unethical way imo. To suggest that Darwin is the father of "evolutionary theory" when this change within species clearly doesn't happen. Then smushing up variation within species as mutation/evolution (which was the original excuse for why it could even occur in the first place and then trying to confuse that with what was originally taught as a separate and understood property of gene/phenotypic expression. i.e. adaptation. ie. we don't have fish become monkeys or bears, and we don't see horses becoming flying unicorns or dolphins etc... We are still missing about 20-30 missing links (i.e. all of them because they don't exist, despite millions of tax dollars spent to find and/or fake them...) to fill the gap between man and monkeys, and so have to make subliminal movies like "Lucy" to fill the gap, and barely keep alive the "suggestion" until they can find the next suggestion, Lucy is btw the latest in a long list of presented, then found to be falsified or misinterpreted "missing links" This is ugly truth of "Darwinian evolution" (whatever it means to you because I can never get two people to give me the same answer!)

Does that sound like science to you??? Don't forget these are the same people hiding all the alternative artifacts, Bigfoot research, bones of Giants, extra-terrestrials in an organized network long term agenda. Literally stealing and hiding them to support the political agendas of their University tax vacuum system. An almost satanic attack on truth it is so profoundly evil. I have NO respect for these cunning thieves, regardless their opulent lifestyles, or how they manipulate our tax dollars out of our pockets into their paychecks and pensions... but I know that isn't the main theme of this thread, forgive my outburst on one small part of your presentation... (laughing to myself)

Otherwise I think this is a worthy post... lol! So getting back to this idea of densities, I wholeheartedly agree, and thanks for hitting me with the right energy that caused this outburst... Cause I haven't seen anything that would help me understand this better then some very nice and well intentioned people who talk about stuff that I can't connect to anything that I know or understand... other then in the most generic and general sense, which as you pointed out can be technically explained in more simpler terms (occam's razor) Is it other dimensions? and if so how does that affect us now? Are they saying these dimensions themselves are shifting? I mean it's just endless speculation in my limited understanding, I can' claim any opinion due to lack of anything compelling. I need a some fundamental principles that could help me translate, and I don't see that coming from channellers, (haven't read Law of One, although I know that Wilcock swears by it...) I might be even willing to listen to his interpretation, if anyone could bridge this gap, I would be willing to listen to his analysis if he has one... since he has been heavily delving into his presentation of quantum physics lately with his Gaiam show Wisdom Teachings...

[Catsquotl]

For me the word density and the subsequent thoughtform arising from that usualy means lighter must be beteer.
Thus the whole construct would inately alow a hierarchical point of view.

I'd like to think of them as frequencies. different frequencies do not define themselves in terms of better or worse and together can create a symphony

With Love
Eelco

[Mu2143]

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[Catsquotl]

Ascend to what.. All is here now

Having been heavily into ascension as per ascendpress and what is now the Earthmother Emissary Council. I have experienced many of the misconceptions of parts of the ascension movements including those mentioned.(Investigate at your own peril)

Anyway most of the evolutional, ascension or spiritual growth movements seem to emphazise or are beased around the idea we have to go from here to there. Heck even the whole earth as a learning experience or school is based on that.

Even though on a personal level i can resonate with the concept of growing, learning, evolving etc. Personaly I have reached the conclusion that the premiss of how most of these popular ideas are interpreted are false.

AL the concepts of growing, evolving, ascending very quicly become fixed in the idea that progress is better and maintaining a status quo or decline is somehow worse.

I'd like to state that everything right now is perfect. Any ascension or growth happens of/in their own volition. Now I am not saying lay down and die and leave everything as is. I am saying that i will not be a better or worse person in a few hundred years. I will have learned(or not), ascended(or not) and that is what it is.. Not better. not something to long after. Just an unfolding of life experiencing itself..

So to ask the question I wanted to before I started mumbling words...
What is the purpose of real ascension in your opinion?

With Love
Eelco

[Jake]

Dang it, Omni,,, You used the 'A' Word,, then the 'C' word.. Ascension and Channeling.. Beyond physicality, you are still there. Alive and well.. What happens to individuals beyond that is not my business. I've spent quite a bit of time describing what I experience in the Astral, Beyond physicality. I can use words like 'vibrations', resonance, density, 3D/4D, Void, etc,,, but if I do,,,, I am singled out and put into the 'new age BS' category... (Which I am fine with, actually,, :))

With that said... I am right there with you, Omni.. BTW,, Awesome that you are blogging again... You have an amazing mind.. :)

I will strongly disagree with you regarding information gleaned from alternate 'locales' to be only the work of Channelers. I am no channeler,, but I can tell you all about different states of mind and there bringing about different states of being. I can tell you that there is an observer looking through these eyes,, and this observer is NOT physical..

Ascension did not used to be a word that I disliked. However, for much the same reasons that you have brought up,, The word has become a dirty word..

Folks tend to want to bring a hierarchy into the fray. Higher=better,, Lower= worst,, I switched to using the word 'density', as that was a bit better of a description.. However, densities do not describe anything other than our understanding of Physicality,, and Not the different states of existence...

Even talk about 'Source' or 'A great Center' denotes a BELIEF in needing to look to some far off point of space or time for one to become WHOLE again...

We are here, now.. If it wasn't supposed to be this way, then it would NOT BE THIS WAY....

I believe in shedding layers, to make one more whole. Layers of belief. It takes courage,,, not angels.. It takes looking inward,, NOT outward... It takes trusting yourself,, NOT the universe or God..

I believe in personal sovereignty and taking back ones own power.. A side note here,, I believe that Jesus spoke a message of sovereignty... But sovereign folks cannot be controlled,, so they myths of divinity and of ascension and of some sort of God-like status was used to destroy the message... (Council of Nycea)

There is nothing new about that tactic. It is being used to this very day to stop folks from thinking for themselves,, and to keep looking to Gurus and 'Ascended' masters for their OWN EXISTENCE... It makes me sick to my stomach...

So now,, how do I describe leaving my body? Something as simple as an ObE cannot be described without backlash from folks who are,, simply,, sick of the BS...

What a doggle!! :)

I have had amazing experiences beyond space and time... I remember them in the NOW.. Ascension is a trick to get you to believe that no matter who you are,, you are limited.. I am having an amazing experience right here!!! :) There are no ascended masters... Though,, there ARE masters.... There are amazing beings that navigate the physical and non-physical Universes, Masters of space and time.. But they have become confused by the damn mirror that they look into,, because they have been convinced that they have 'fallen from grace' That is a lie, and a damn shame....

I don't go up or down through 'gates' of ascension. I walk Horizontally... :) I walk my walk and wherever I go,, there I am...


You see,, now I'm sounding like a New Age FreakyDeaky again... So I shall digress..

Science isn't even about proof.. It is about the EVIDENCE.... Be careful,, science is a belief too... :)


Awesome points, all around..
Jake.

[Omni]

I will strongly disagree with you regarding information gleaned from alternate 'locales' to be only the work of Channelers.

I don't think I said or implied that. Will you quote what made you think that? It wasn't my intention in saying such. There are many mediums of communication from 'visitors'. I know this as well as anyone.

Do you mean me saying the prospect of 'densities' being originating from channelers?


What is the purpose of real ascension in your opinion?

I guess it would be termed growth from my perspective. Just a process of growth I would term ascension. Minus what could be the apex of ascension, incarnating in higher forms of bodies(or no body I suppose).

[Jake]

I will strongly disagree with you regarding information gleaned from alternate 'locales' to be only the work of Channelers.

I don't think I said or implied that. Will you quote what made you think that? It wasn't my intention in saying such. There are many mediums of communication from 'visitors'. I know this as well as anyone.

Do you mean me saying the prospect of 'densities' being originating from channelers?


What is the purpose of real ascension in your opinion?

I guess it would be termed growth from my perspective. Just a process of growth I would term ascension. Minus what could be the apex of ascension, incarnating in higher forms of bodies(or no body I suppose).


Sorry mate. I read into it a bit.. I was thinking you were lumping non-physical in with 'ascension'... My mistake.. Ha, I was dragged into the New Age kicking and screaming... I used to detest words like chakra, or mantra, or aura,, etc... Nowadays, I use these words almost every day.. And I will still cringe when I hear an ultra uber new ager use the very same words... Behind all of these words are meanings,,,, I have learned enough to be cautious of throwing the baby out with the bath water.. Ascension is deeply ingrained in most every religion and philosophy.. I wonder what common archetype that we are conceptualising when we consider ascension.. Every great deception is wrapped in truth... Perhaps the entire concept is a remnant of the 'age of worship'..

im typing on a mobile device, so I will keep it short..

Sorry for the confusion,,
Jake.

[Agape]

I would say that common denominator to the ascension/evolution topic is 'potential' .

You can't realise all that when you're young kid , even if you have much knowledge and above average wisdom, this requires long time life observation and experience ,
with 'human subjects' .
The potential each human being carries within, whether biological , psychic or spiritual or beyond , is very versatile and almost infinite ,
compared to what can be expressed , experienced , lived and manifested during one individual life .

The time we get to express even the minutest part of our potential , within the time frame of individual life is extremely limited . You may console yourself with the fact that this manifestation has limitless outreach but still.

Speaking of observational , experiential but also biological reality , this is the fact .

Each of 'you' is capable of surviving ( and flourishing ) in whole range of different climates and environments .
Even if your 'mum n dad' convinced you that 'home is the best' and your home looks like this n that , protected from northern winds and too much sunlight , it's quite probable that even their parents and grandparents had to cope with severe climatic changes , and so are we and each environment brings out some kind of adaptation process and necessity .

Different parts of our biological and spiritual potential are brought to life due to this adaptation process and necessity .

We have to respond to adversity is Biological Law No 1 and we do that all the time . We are forced to respond to environment surrounding us , no matter it's water or air , hot or cold, kind or harsh ,
and develop a skill how to survive in that environment . Millions of human ancestors , hundreds of generations did that , each time they learned something new and they keep the skill in your genetic memory even if it's not useful anymore.

Being 'full blooded human' means you posses great range of adaptation skills . Right after the immense potential it's the reason number 2 why human genome is so precious .

Adaptation aptitude is somewhat like 'immunity ' , if healthy it has to be built , evolving over long period of time .


That's of course not exactly an ascension ... but it is , ascension of potential . The potential has been there since start of human race .

If you missed my testimony about Human Origins , I've seen the original human beings were a result of space accident and direct descendants of one of the original races of the Universe, peaceful and advanced beings .

Those Beings were /are manifestation of Cosmic Intelligence or Life , in other terms . They were not 'created' by someone else . Neither humans were created .
They 'descended ' .

So in a way ... they have to 'ascend' as well , though ..and as Sigma put it nicely , the term is a metaphor and one has to understand how it applies .

Unless you know the true reason, origin and purpose of human history you can't ever explain this very well , neither Darwin could , not to speak about theologians .

But you're correct in observing the reality as such . I would call this a 'recovery process' that takes millions of years , to human race .. and it does not mean to say that they'll be at the end exactly who they were at the beginning.

They may become many races . They may become someone slightly else ...

that's one reason, I think , why people think/speak of ascension in the terms they do - they don't know exactly 'what are they going to become' .

Because Life and biology are all about adaptation to adversities and manifestation of potentials , and there are countless ways how this may happen .



And not to forget the point about 'densities' . This is not a fictional point where physical laws and time-space is concerned , whether they were adopted and used by spiritualists is another matter .

In reality, life in the Universe exists on whole scale of time-space properties and density is among them . When we talk of intelligent life in Universe and advanced civilisations ,
we speak of evolution potential that can match ours to some degree . But thinking that a Solar system or planet somewhere else would copy earthly physics and biology is extremely naive .

The chances that it'd be so are about 1 to several billions . This does not mean to say there's no 'similar life' . In fact , it's much more probable that there's plenty of similar life than finding another 'carbon copy' of you .

So there's not only ... evolution... of life and environments .. there's also transmutation process that may happen both ways , up or down vector though , I think in both case , accident or technological method of such transmutation / ascension are rare events - biologically and realistically .


The most drastic and straight 'transmutation' /ascension process can happen only due to technologies and can be explained about like this :

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20141106-the-man-who-makes-diamonds


How to make a diamond from scratch - with peanut butter



How rare is that few peanuts would ever turn to diamonds , in short time ? Very rare ... yet ... not impossible ... ;)

[Swanette]

Omni,

You are already ascended

http://halkinnaman.com/ed/audio_rr/ion_power_joy.mp3


http://ionandbob.blogspot.ca/2010/07/come-into-your-place-of-power-embrace.html

http://www.howionic.com/?page_id=21

http://ionandbob.blogspot.ca/2013/09/ion-introduction.html

[Gatita]

I hadn't heard of the idea of densities until reading about it here. I have to give that one some thought. As far as viruses evolving, I'm not convinced that they evolve, so much as adapt. Someone might say I'm splitting hairs. Okay, maybe. The influenza vaccine varies from year to year due to viral mutation. And the shot hurts every year, and my system over reacts to it every year. Sorry, wandering around here.

I tend to lump Soulular growth and Incarnational Ascension together. I've been told that I'm an old soul. I don't have any proof of that, but I tend to agree. I know that I have lived on world's other than Earth. I have a vivid beautiful memory of looking up at a night sky that isn't seen from this world. I've also had to resolve some ties to someone from another lifetime, but that's a story for another day.

Gatita

[sirdipswitch]

Great thread!!!

ASCENTION = I don't call it that anymore. nope. I call it "The Jump To Ligh Speed". yep. do. uh-huh. ccc.


Cuz Life sure gets Fun - in the "Fast Lane"!!! ccc.:wizard:
(comon y'all know what them little "c"s' is for... ccc,)

less see now, where'd I put that peanut butter... hmm. ccc.

[GoodETxSG]

This is a subject that No One Person is going to Agree On... Maybe a Clique here and there, but for the most part Everyone by now has Their Own take on What "Ascension" Means. :angel:

In the main stream there has always been a lot of Problems in Understanding Densities, Dimensions and Ascension (Aka "The Event")... So, many have assigned complete esoteric belief structures to it so they could easily write them off.

Most of the "Documentation" I was shown didn't lead me to believe there would be a huge "Galactic Super Wave" (These "Energetic Clouds" have been hitting us for decades already!) that would hit us and we would Transform into "Light Bodies" Depending on our Percentage of "Service to Self" or "Service to Others" polarities.

It seemed to be more of our Sol System, Local Star Cluster and Area of Space/Time in our Galaxy "Rotating" into a more "Energetic" or "Vibratory" area inside the Galaxy. This change in Vibratory Energy/Frequency would make changes to the matter of our Sol System (Everything IS Frequency Matter, Energy and Thought) and would also activate parts of our DNA that we call "Junk DNA".

This would materialize (Via vibration, keeping in mind everything is vibration) extra strands of our DNA and further raise our Consciousness and Group Consciousness.

These "Secret Earth Governments" and "Secret Space Programs" that make up the "Break Away Civilizations" spoken of the last couple of decades already have technologies that are Sonic/Frequency Based that improve health or heal various diseases. They have related technologies that work in combination with 3D holographic field's that use advanced genetic manipulation of organic materials to replace lost body parts, organs and can even regress a persons age.

This in addition to free energy technology that they have hidden from us (Nearly ALL with a Torsion Field and Consciousness Component to them) have left us behind what they will not be able to keep from us with their "TRUE PSY-OPS" any longer. I do not think its a coincidence that this "Shadow Civil War" is going on during the same general time as this event (Which I read would be a gradual process, but not a long drawn out one...)

So we have mischaracterized what the Ascension and Density Changes are from the beginning.

We are getting closer to understanding what "Densities" really are (Too many people interchange the terms "Densities" and "Dimensions" when they are not the same thing). As our Main Stream Scientists are making changes to their "Belief Systems" (Their Religion) they are learning more and more about the "Torsion Field Physic's Model".

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In a Torsion Field's (Basically where there is spin in any medium including the fabric of Space/Time) where you have a point of "TWIST" in the medium or that area of "TWIST" is the point of the "Change in Density". It's not really that "Mystical" at all is it?

Though I Do See that I Did Highly Over Simplify It!

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Humans tend to do that with information they do not understand or are not yet ready to grasp.

This article has some good information on the process. It is not 100% accurate of course, but at least they are beginning to bring in some of the Advanced Physics Models that have been in the "Black Programs" for years that we have learned from some our "Off World Allies".

There is still much we do not know about what will occur and that was obvious by the reactions of the "Earth Delegates" at these "Federation Conferences" and by their concern of the recent arrival of many "Unknown Beings" who have shown up in our "Sol System" and not announced their Intentions or Identified Themselves. They seem to be positioning themselves here for "The Greatest Show In The Galaxy"... Though that is speculation.

The other Secret Earth Governments and Secret Space Program Leaders have all formed their own opinions on speculation on why "They" are here.

Junk DNA: Our Interdimensional Doorway to Transformation
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/11/05/junk-dna-interdimensional-doorway-transformation/

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DNA JunkBrendan D. Murphy, Guest
Waking Times

Something that is not particularly widely known about the mind-body connection today is that, since the early 1940s, a genuine microbiological framework for understanding the power of suggestion, intention, and belief has been developing.

In this article we will look at some of this work as it relates to previously unexplainable “spontaneous” alterations to the genomes of living people — and the physiological and psychospiritual transformations that often accompany them. Moreover, we will cast an eye to the concept of systematic conscious intervention in our own evolution, using the transformative capacities of sound to re-write non-coding “junk” DNA, and return our consciousness to its natural harmonic state and unity awareness.

It is time to re-tune ourselves to the frequencies of wholeness, abundance, serenity, and bliss that are our birthright, but which our current mutant paradigm has veered us away from. Let us hack the Matrix with a sonic mind-virus of holistic consciousness.



If We Don’t Understand It, Then It’s “Junk”

As most readers would know, the vast majority of our DNA “text” is not used in the coding of proteins and enzymes; it is non-coding, and scientists generally don’t have any idea what its purpose is. Thus, in their infinite wisdom, they initially dubbed it “junk DNA”. How much of our DNA is junk? About 95 to 98 per cent (some scientific estimates go as high as 99 per cent) — rather a lot of waste for Nature to hang onto, I think you will agree.

Since it is not responsible for constructing our basic physical form, its purpose has remained mysterious to conventional mindsets until very recently. We now know that a large portion of that “junk” DNA is made up of mobile genetic elements (transposons and retrotransposons) or “jumping DNA”, which can rewrite and activate – or deactivate – certain genetic codes. Jumping DNA reportedly makes up as much as half of the total DNA nucleotides.[1]

Another major portion of the non-protein-coding regions of the genome is comprised of variable-number, tandemly repeating sequences known as “satellite DNA”. Microbiologist William Brown believes that through specific conformational arrangements, satellite DNA interfaces with the so-called “morphic field”; various conformations have specific resonances with the morphic field and can therefore tune into different information programs. Since satellite DNA is very specific to each person, each of us tunes into a distinct and unique morphogenetic pattern.[2]

It seems likely that both jumping DNA and satellite DNA interface with the morphic field, thus responding to alterations in one’s state of consciousness. Satellite DNA’s ability to expand its number of repeating sequences means an increase in the information-carrying capacity of DNA. As a fractal antenna, DNA interacts with the vacuum/aether (terms which are synonymous in this context with zero-point field/implicate order/time-space), transducing the zero-point energy which interacts with our consciousness. A greater interaction between our DNA and the torsion and/or scalar forces in the vacuum might equate to expanded consciousness, while a lesser interactivity would result in a contracted awareness. Thus, “certain modular arrangements of DNA would be more conducive to conscious awareness”.[3]

In the 1990s, a team of Russian linguists led by Dr Peter Gariaev discovered that the genetic code in “junk” DNA follows uniform grammar and usage rules virtually identical to those of human language. It turns out that the “junk” was laden with the intimations of intelligence, purpose and meaning – a perspective forbidden by fundamentalist Darwinism. This ground-breaking research followed Jeff Delrow’s discovery in 1990 that the four nucleotides (A, T, G and C) of DNA inherently form fractal structures closely related to human speech patterns.[4] Within non-coding DNA segments, scientists have found large numbers of “endlessly repeated sequences with no apparent meaning, and even palindromes, which are words or sentences which can be read in either direction”.[5]

More recently (June 2014), it was reported that scientists at the Wyoming Institute of Technology, working with linguists and philologists from Bob Jones University in South Carolina, had made further compelling linguistic breakthroughs. Linguistic professors at BJU were working on translating decoded DNA segments that WIT was providing. They discovered that the language in the “junk” was indistinguishable from ancient Aramaic, and parts of the script it contained were at times remarkably close in composition to verse found in the bible — and, at times, contained direct biblical quotes.

On the human gene PYGB, Phosporomylase Glycogen, a non-coding transposon holds a linguistic sequence that translates as “At first break of day, God formed sky and land”. This bears a stunning similarity to Genesis 1:1 “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth”. Gene Bmp3 has a retrotransposon sequence which translates to the well-known 1 Corinthians 6:19 “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own”.[6]

Thus, human language seems to have emerged from the grammatical and syntactical structures within our very own DNA — the massive “junk” portion, no less! — hence there is no substance to the notion that there was some kind of “natural” linear progression from the primitive form of pre-linguistic communication in the animal kingdom to human language. It was a quantum leap right out of the aether/vacuum/implicate order — possibly with some outside “help”.[7]

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DNA+sequenceThe Gariaev group’s pioneering DNA research accounts for the power of hypnosis (and potentially most other psi phenomena, or “hypercommunication”). One of the basic assumptions made by the Gariaev team is that “the genome has a capacity for quasi-consciousness so that DNA ‘words’ produce and help in the recognition of semantically meaningful phrases.”[8] Because the structures of DNA base pairs and of language are so similar, we can alter our own genetics by simply using words and sentences, as has been experimentally proven. Live DNA “will always react to language-modulated laser rays and even to radio waves, if the proper frequencies are being used. This finally and scientifically explains why affirmations, autogenous training, hypnosis and the like can have such strong effects of humans and their bodies”.[9]

One of the more famous cases of hypnotically induced genetic alteration was documented circa 1951 at the Queen Victoria Hospital in West Sussex, England. It involved the cure of Brocq’s disease in a teenage boy. His skin was dry, hardened and reptile-like, and it cracked and bled easily. Using hypnotic suggestion, anaesthetist and hypnotist Dr. Albert A. Mason remedied the condition in a matter of weeks — a miracle at the time. Since Brocq’s disease is a genetic condition, eliciting a cure meant that Mason had effectively reprogrammed the boy’s genes – which scientists of the time “knew” was impossible. The boy’s hardened skin fell away, exposing soft, healthy flesh which remained so thereafter.

Today we know that by using correct light and sound frequencies — as well as words — we can activate some of our mobile DNA to “re-code” certain portions of the genome, thus effecting a physical transformation at the most fundamental biological level.

DNA, Wormholes and Torsion Fields

During 1984–85, Gariaev made a startling discovery. He found that an in-vitro DNA sample in a test tube had the ability to attract and harness coherent laser light, causing it to spiral along the DNA helix. This alone was an unexpected (and paradigm-shifting) discovery, but it wasn’t all. After the DNA sample and all the apparatus were removed, the photons continued to spiral as if the DNA was still there. This was dubbed the “DNA phantom effect”, and it signified that some “new” scalar/torsion field structure had been excited from the vacuum/aether, and was entraining the light even in the absence of the DNA!

This effect has been observed to last for up to a month, showing that this new field structure possesses remarkable persistence and stability. Even after blowing the phantom away with gaseous nitrogen, it returns within 5–8 minutes. Gariaev et al. also remark that “sound waves radiated by the DNA molecules were registered in these experiments”, showing that DNA doesn’t only absorb and emit light (as is well established) but also radio frequencies and phonons as well.[10]

Our DNA harnesses both sound and light in its moment-by-moment operations, but, more than this, it “punches holes” in space-time, opening a window to time-space/the time domain. To put it another way, our DNA creates “magnetised wormholes” in the fabric of space — “tunnel connections between entirely different areas in the universe through which information can be transmitted outside of space and time. The DNA attracts these bits of information and passes them on to our consciousness.”[11] Most of us know this process as intuition or psychic insight. Ordinary human memory would also operate on similar principles, since available evidence indicates that our memories are stored not in our brains but in the aetheric/implicate/time-space field structures which envelop our bodies (a.k.a., the “auric fields”).[12]

Various researchers have theorised that the energy occupying time-space/aether which is responsible for these phenomena is twisting/spiralling torsion energy. The “magnetised wormholes” mentioned above could also be described as “torsion fields” or “vortices”. A torsion field is a self-sustaining vortex in the aether/time-space which is innately non-electromagnetic — though it can produce EM effects such as light. By spinning, a vortex can excite photons or virtual photons out of the fabric of space/aether, and static torsion/scalar fields can harness and store light within them (as we see with the DNA phantom effect).[13]

Sol Luckman, developer of the sound-based Regenetics healing and transformation method, considers qi/prana/orgone to be the light-based effect of torsion fields. In Conscious Healing, he describes torsion energy as “universal creative consciousness or subspace energy (Aether) experiencing itself in time… Torsion energy in the form of a ‘life-wave’… interfacing with and modifying potential DNA’s transposons is the driving force behind the evolution of human consciousness and physiology.”[14]

The first research generally credited with the discovery of this “fifth force” — torsion — is that that done in the late 1800s by Russian professor N. P. Myshkin.[15] Einstein’s colleague Dr. Elie Cartan first coined the term “torsion” in 1913 in reference to this force’s twisting movement through the fabric of space-time, but his important work was virtually buried by the rampant success and notoriety of Einstein’s theories.

In the 1950s — the same decade in which Dr. James Watson and Francis Crick discovered the helical structure of DNA — pioneering Russian scientist Dr. Nikolai A. Kozyrev (1908–1983) conclusively proved the existence of this torsion energy, demonstrating that, like time (and not dissimilarly to DNA), it flows in a sacred geometric spiral,[16] as I detail in my book The Grand Illusion – Book 1. Russian scientists are reported to have written thousands of papers on the subject in the 1990s alone, and, more recently, award-winning physicist Nassim Haramein, along with his colleague Dr. Elizabeth A. Rauscher, has re-worked Einstein’s field equations with the inclusion of torque and coriolis effects.

Torsion Fields, Mental Intention, and Healing

If your “soul” is in fact a torsion field or vortex in the fabric of space, or a structure of multiple nested vortices as described by seers and mystics, then your consciousness, by definition, must survive the demise of your physical body; it existed in the aether/vacuum/time-space/implicate order/zero point field before you ever obtained a body. This is exactly the perspective shared by physicist Fred Alan Wolf, who refers to the vacuum of space as “the home of the soul” from which the material world was actually born.[17]

Interestingly, the work of scientists Gennady Shipov and Burkhard Heim “established that torsion generators allow us not only to replicate all ‘phenomena’ demonstrated by so-called ‘psychics’, but they were also able to demonstrate effects that were never demonstrated by any ‘psychic’.”[18] This “transcendent force” that is intrinsically unrestricted by the bounds of our space-time (and which, in the form of torsion/scalar waves, effectively operates billions of times beyond the speed of light) can account for the well documented remote healing phenomenon demonstrated in many studies, as well as more localized, short-range psychokinetic effects. (For a much more comprehensive exposition on such mind-matter interactions, check out my book.)

Cell biologist Dr. Glen Rein discovered experimentally that anger, fear and similar emotions have the power to contract a DNA molecule, compressing it. On the other hand, emotions such as joy, gratitude and love unwind or decompress DNA exposed to them. This effect could be created on samples up to half a mile away from the “sender” of the emotion.[19] Years earlier in Russia, remote-influence experiments with human targets presaged Rein’s results and proved that remote human intention could be used to affect physiological and conscious processes in a distant human target, as well as to send telepathic messages.[20]

Pertinently, in another series of Rein’s experiments, those with coherent electrocardiograms could wind or unwind DNA samples (not extracted from their own bodies) at will, while those with incoherent heart energy could not. Furthermore, in these experiments, simply feeling love-based emotions was not enough to affect the DNA samples: the intent to alter them had to be present. The effect was achieved up to half a mile away in an experiment using Lew Childre. Another experiment using Russian healer Valerie Sadyrin replicated the effect with Sadyrin stationed thousands of miles away in Russia (Rein’s experimental setup being in California),[21] thus indicating that, although coherent EM heart energy does act locally within the body, it also has a non-EM (torsion/scalar) component that acts nonlocally, entangling healers with their “healees” (via time-space/aether/implicate order). Ipso facto, DNA is a “torsion antenna”, a biological “bridge” between our space-time and time-space/aether.

Thus, Rein’s research links torsion to life-affirming emotions — in particular unconditional love, which propels both our individual and collective evolution. “Only the love-based emotions stimulate DNA to decompress so that messenger RNA can access codes for healing”. Negative emotional states compress the DNA helix, “severely limiting access to genetic information necessary for healing as well as evolution”.[22]

Sounds like DNA Activation

We have recently entered into what Larry Dossey, MD, has dubbed “Era III” medicine. Era III medicine is concerned with the primacy of bioenergetic consciousness in the sound domain (time-space/aether/implicate order) in healing and transformation, whereas “Era II” epigenetics was primarily restricted to the light domain of our space-time, and “Era I” was myopically based solely on physico-chemical considerations — a boon for Big Pharma.[23] Era III acknowledges that since consciousness is fundamentally non-local, not only can your thoughts influence your own physiology, but someone else’s as well, regardless of distance — as per the aforementioned early Russian remote-influence experiments and Rein’s more recent work.[24]

As the Gariaev group has shown, sound and light can be utilised to rewrite the genetic code. The group even went so far as to be able to turn frog embryos into salamander embryos by electronically recording one species’ DNA informational patterns and then re-transmitting them to the other species. The resulting salamanders could even mate and produce baby salamanders.[25]

Specific sound frequencies: herein lays the power of Luckman’s DNA activation method. Some of you may be aware that our mathematically structured DNA is “tuned” to the ancient Solfeggio scale; it is resonant with it. According to mathematicians Marko Rodin and Victor Showell, this scale constructs the entire universe. Len Horowitz, DMD, comments that the “creationistic dynamics of matter have their source in pure acoustic spirit”,[26] which is vividly demonstrated (analogically) by the work of the late Dr. Hans Jenny. By vibrating a mass of solid particles on a metal plate at certain frequencies, Jenny caused those particles to arrange spontaneously into specific geometric forms. Alternatively, the vibration of these loose particles suspended in a fluid could be seen to create nested geometric figures — the Platonic solids, in point of fact [27] — hence Horowitz’s point about matter being created by “sonic” frequencies in the “spiritual” domain. Because the ground of reality is fundamentally holographic, it assembles the manifest universe fractally in a self-referencing manner in which geometric forms such as the Platonic solids can be nested within one another.

By simply utilising the specific, correctly tuned vowel chanting technique — the most important ingredient — and a 528 Hertz Solfeggio tuning fork (as detailed in Luckman’s recent book Potentiate Your DNA), some of your mobile genetic elements can be activated to harness greater amounts of torsion energy in time-space/aether. With the Regenetics method, the activation of potential DNA occurs incrementally as one goes through the different stages of Potentiation, Articulation, Elucidation, and, lastly, Transcension.) Potentiation, the first phase of the Regenetics technique, specifically employs the “mi” note of 528 Hz, which has been used by molecular biologists to repair genetic defects [28] and is also known simply as “Love Hertz”. (Subsequent activations incorporate more of the Solfeggio tones.)

The result of this total process (the Regenetics Method), which unfolds over a minimum of 27 months, is a gentle and progressive kundalini awakening and healing of the physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual bodies/layers of the psyche. Allergies disappear, old injuries repair, serious diseases may vanish, the body detoxifies, emotional baggage is purged, and a sense of peace and well-being develop. Some people begin to sense their fundamental interconnectedness with creation, a development that reaches its fullest fruition with the completion of the final stage, after the prefrontal lobes have been awakened through the third activation (Elucidation), which targets the emotional body.[29] This is apparently essential for a sense of “God realization” and the state of serenity and peace this brings.

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DNAA close friend of mine, whose Articulation (the second activation, which targets the mental body) I recently performed, showed immediate and profound alterations in her psychology that completely blew me away. With her mental body harmonically restored, her clarity and self-awareness bloomed. Without the usual mental frenetics and resultant stress/emotional rollercoaster, her ability to access her own wisdom skyrocketed, and she no longer suffers the dramatic ups and downs that plagued her for the last 20+ years.

For my part, immediately following my own Potentiation,[30] I noticed my damaged rotator cuffs felt subtly different. Within a few weeks, they had improved very significantly. Seven months later, I experienced virtually no pain in them and could comfortably lie on my side to sleep at night — something I had not been able to do for about 12 years previously, no matter how positive I tried to be or how determined I was to heal them myself. Before doing my own Potentiation, even swinging my arms back and forth across my chest caused sharp, stabbing pains in my shoulders — but no more. After several months I also experienced a spontaneous detox process (primarily through my sinuses), and my food sensitivities show some improvement.

With the DNA acting like a tuning fork and resonating with the vowel chant and Solfeggio frequency, the “errors” in the sonic torsion field blueprints (in time-space) for our biology are corrected. At the biological level, the jumping DNA shift to “rewrite” the gene code for the better, as previously dormant codons are switched on, while others may be switched off, in order to improve healing mechanisms and so on. Consciousness researcher Stephen Linsteadt has reported that, at the 528 Hz frequency, “the clustered water molecules that surround and support the DNA structure form a perfect six-sided hexagon”[31] —meaning that you are apparently generating your own internal cymatic effect as you perform your own Potentiation!

“In theory”, writes Horowitz, “phase-locking your body to [the] 528 Hz frequency sends the most powerful healing energy in the universe to your DNA’s amino acid sequence, which vibrates in a glycoprotein matrix of structured water, depends heavily on the 528 Hz frequency not just for its physical structure but also for its bioelectrical and bioacoustic functions.”[32]

A New Kind of Human?

Microbiologist Dr. Colm Kelleher has studied “junk” DNA for years. He states that transposons are known to be engines of evolution, explaining that the most plausible mechanism for initiating a rapid, large-scale change in physical structure, even the emergence of a new species, is a “simultaneous transposition burst”. He speculates that similar mechanisms might also be involved in a kundalini experience.[33]

Kundalini, a real physical energy, as I show in my book, has always been held in high esteem by mystics and seers because of its ability to awaken higher consciousness and vivify and restore the physical body. It upgrades the bioenergy system. The principal function of kundalini in occult development is reputedly to pass through the etheric chakras and vivify them so that they bring astral experiences through into the physical consciousness.[34] An enhancement of the chakras at the etheric level will naturally have positive physical side-effects, as the etheric body is an energetic duplicate of the physical and in fact is considered to be of the “physical” density in its own right (unlike the astral/mental/spiritual energies).

Retired theoretical physicist Dr. Amit Goswami states in Physics of the Soul that the raising of the kundalini seems to unleash the dormant capacities of consciousness for making new representations of the vital (etheric) body onto the physical body. “There is evidence. People in whom kundalini has risen and been properly integrated undergo extraordinary bodily changes (for example, the development of nodules on the body that [form] the figure of a serpent).”[35] Kundalini experiencers also often describe an incredible white light enveloping their consciousness, as the plasma-like kundalini rises up the spine and explodes into the head and the crown chakra. The result in the moment is often a state of expansive bliss.

One salient point to any researcher of these topics has to be that there are similar elements in the aftermath of DNA and kundalini activation as compared to the near-death experience (NDE). Aside from biophysical alterations (an effect shared by all groups), many near-death experiencers (NDEers) have reported that they experience a deeper sense of connectedness with all things, higher levels of empathy, decreased competitiveness and egotism, elimination of the fear of death, and a greater sense of peace and contentment. The spontaneous resolution or disappearance of serious diseases and allergies falls under the category of biophysical transformation, which is correlated with kundalini awakening as well as DNA activation. NDEer Mellen-Thomas Benedict, for example, had an inoperable brain tumour prior to his 90-minute NDE. Post-NDE, his cancer was simply gone: it had vanished.[36]

NDEers also find quite often that their psychic faculties are put into overdrive post-NDE, whether they like it or not! In her book Transformed by the Light, Dr. Cherie Sutherland offers the case studies of 50 Australian NDEers, at least one of whom reported that post-NDE they had become so telepathic that they were picking up on the internal monologues of people around them — totally unintentionally.[37]

Dr. Kenneth Ring hypothesised in the 1990s that NDEers actually do undergo a kundalini awakening, and he marshalled some impressive evidence in support of the notion in The Omega Project.[38] We might speculate whether the NDE can also spontaneously precipitate the sealing of the “fragmentary body” (the energy defect in the second chakra) by revealing to people their true nature as immortal “spirit” or infinite consciousness and an integral part of the cosmos, thus remedying their “separation consciousness” as well as other personal issues around self-loathing, guilt, and so forth. Certainly, the experience of contacting a force of cosmic love, compassion and total, unconditional acceptance is powerfully healing for many NDEers. Perhaps not surprisingly, many find that they spontaneously develop powerful healing faculties, even to the extent that they give up their careers to become energy healers!

This suggests the activation of previously dormant sections of DNA (codons) involved in the transmission and mediation of electromagnetic energy and torsion forces. In 1996, Kelleher cloned a stretch of human DNA from activated human T-cells and found it to consist of a tandem array of transposon sequences “arranged like beads on a string”. It was the perfect structure that he had envisioned for accomplishing “a large-scale speciation-type change”. Kelleher predicts that people who have undergone NDEs or have meditated for long periods “should have a higher transcriptional level of this transposon casette”.[39]

Available NDE case studies seem to support his contention. Many NDEers appear to represent a new kind of human being: one not just infinitely more metaphysically aware than the “average” person but one who is also more “switched on”, genetically and psychically speaking. Overall, NDEers seem to show an unusually high level of intuitive activation, not unlike kundalini-awakened individuals.

Additionally, I suspect that such people have actually activated a third (or more) strand of DNA, and no longer function on the bare minimum level of two strands (look where that has gotten us!). My partner Aimee, during her own Potentiation, experienced mental imagery that was very suggestive of a third strand being activated – or should we say re-connected? This is a notion I will return to in a future article elaborating on these important themes, which appear over and over in “New Age” material, including Barbara Marciniak’s compelling Bringers of the Dawn, which posits that we are supposed to be functioning on twelve strands (!) Not long ago, I met an innovative Australian scientist who had a DNA sample studied and was informed that he had at least six functional strands, which the stunned scientists in question had never seen before. This was kept quiet, obviously.

Speculative Conclusions and Visions for the Future

In 2003, the Encyclopedia of DNA Elements (“Encode”) genome research project was launched. Pooling the resources of over 400 scientists over thirty-two laboratories throughout the UK, US, Spain, Singapore, and Japan, it is the largest research project into the human genome yet conducted. In early September 2012, scientists from the Encode project confirmed, after having analyzed all 3 billion pairs of genetic code comprising our DNA, that far more of it is biologically active than had been widely believed: at least 80% is in fact performing a specific function, confirming that most non-protein-coding “junk” DNA isn’t junk at all.

Perhaps more importantly in the context of the foregoing discussion, these scientists have also identified 4 million “switch genes”, which are sections of DNA that control when genes are switched on or off in cells. These can even be a long way from the actual gene they control (if you’re talking about an uncoiled DNA strand). Many switches are linked to changes in risk levels for various diseases and disorders,[40] and we have the field of epigenetics to thank for proving that local environmental triggers (including stress) are ultimately more important in determining the activation or silencing of certain genes – and therefore our biological health – than inherent genetic defects, which account only for about 5% of all diseases.

It is only natural to conclude that mobile DNA elements/transposons, comprising as much as half of our roughly 98% “junk” DNA, are involved in mediating the functions of at least some of these 4 million “switch genes”. In addition, mobile DNA (and satellite DNA too, if Brown is correct) appear to interface with our consciousness in the aether/time-space/implicate order. This means that Era III metagenetic modalities such as the sound-based Regenetics Method, where the facilitator can be located thousands of miles from the treatment recipient, can be effective in influencing genetic expression regardless of healer-healee proximity. In the time-space domain that consciousness occupies, distance is meaningless.

Thanks to the innovative work of researchers in fields as diverse as shamanism, epigenetics, thanatology, psychiatry, molecular biology, hypnosis, kinesiology, occultism and more, we may have identified four major ways to activate our latent jumping DNA to effect dramatic personal transformation and even conscious evolution: hypnosis, DNA activation with vowel chants and Solfeggio frequencies, kundalini awakening, and NDEs (the latter three all apparently involve kundalini activation to varying degrees, and reach deeper into the multiple levels of one’s being). This is to say nothing of the astrophysical processes which can influence planetary microbiology, over which we as individuals seemingly have little control — a tangent of discussion we lack space for here.

Thus, with the extinction of bottom-up Darwinian “DNA primacy”, we can and must relinquish the moribund notion that our genetic inheritance is a done deal which we can no more change than the Earth’s orbital pathway around the Sun. The various lines of research discussed herein reveal that in using vowels and targeted light and sound frequencies to deliberately change our genetic expression in a controlled fashion, we can also change our consciousness — and vice versa. We can change our consciousness and, in turn, alter genetic expression (more or less permanently) and the torsion field templates that underlie the light-based human auric fields. No longer can a human be conceived of as a powerless little Darwinian “meat computer” at the mercy of the random forces of “natural selection”. We can massively intervene in and accelerate our evolution on this Earth, and, using sound as our ally, evolve beyond ‘man’ into the next stage of humankind, as Nietzsche once implored us to do.

Thank goodness for the “junk” that nature didn’t throw away!



Resources:

[1] Gage,F.H.andA.R.Muotri, “WhatMakesEachBrain Unique”, ScientificAmerican, March2012

[2] Brown,W.,“Morphic Resonance and Quantum Biology”, NEXUS 2012 ;19(2)

[3] Ibid.

[4] Luckman,S., PotentiateYour DNA, CrowRising TransformationalMedia,USA, 2010–11,p.116

[5] Narby,J., The Cosmic Serpent: DNA and the Origins of Knowledge, Phoenix/OrionBooks, London,1999,p.100

[6]Richter DasMeerungeheuer, First Scientific Proof of God, http://witscience.org/first-scientific-proof-god-found/#sthash.J4lJHxmN.dpuf, June 2014.

[7] Pinchbeck,D.,2012: TheReturnof Quetzalcoatl, JeremyP. Tarcher/Penguin,2006,p.174

[8] Miller,RichardAlan, IonaMiller andBurtWebb, “QuantumBioholography:AReviewoftheFieldfrom 1973–2002”,2002,http://tinyurl.com/7nb72tf

[9] Fosar,G.andF.Bludorf,“SpiritualScience:DNAis influencedbywordsandfrequencies”,http://tinyurl.com/85npbn2

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[11] GrazynaFosarandFranzBludorf,fromtheirbookVernetzteIntelligenz,quotedathttp://tinyurl.com/qf78vw

[12] I have proven this beyond any rational doubt in The Grand Illusion Vol. 1 (TGI 1).

[13] Forin-depthdiscussionof torsionasitrelatestopsi phenomena, seeTGI1.

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[Bluegreen]

Thank you all for sharing. A fascinating discussion.

I don't trust that word "ascension," on the other hand I enjoy reading some of this new age hippie stuff, so there ya go. Proof positive that I am no different than the Scarecrow on a stick talking to Dorothy.

I would suggest that the word itself is a calculated psy-op, as Manly Hall or William Burroughs might tell us, a virus straight from the Tower of Babel. Similar cases could be made for the word "liberal," and "satanism."

[Meggings]

My goodness, so many words posted. I offer my experience that ascension is our awareness of, and our accessing with that awareness, conditions that are beyond 3D and 4D.
My experience is that a human can be active in 3D while simultaneously being aware and acting in 4D.
My experience is that the Light Body is NOT an aura and that it does exist, increasingly so, in evolving human beings.
The Light Body I have seen extends at right angles from the physical body in crystalline rays of clear crystal light and white crystals.
The purpose of the Light Body evolution is the creation of an immortal physical body that does not dissolve upon death, but will remain in a kind of "stasis", allowing the soul that inhabited it to take it up again, reinhabit it at will, and operate as an immortal on 3D and 4D levels.
Within the higher levels of 4D is where the former "normal" way of ascension occurred.
Ascension is a gradual process that proceeds through many dimensional levels (or densities if you will).
Eventually mankind will unify into one coherent "social-memory-complex" as spoken of by RA (of the Law of One).
I expect this will occur somewhere within the seventh dimension.
I have travelled to higher dimensions and been rather amazed at meeting one such social-memory-complex of a grouping - each part emitted its own vibration, yet was joined with the whole, which sang its own song - but the stunning thing is THERE WAS NO DISCORDANCE or jarring or jangling, and the whole was harmonious. I did marvel at this.

I have been called to be present at the first stage ascension of a person who had died ten months earlier.
I know the process is real because I have consciously participated in it.

This is all EXPERIENCE. Unfortunately, words need to be used to clothe the thoughts so that partial comprehension can be shared with others.
Hope this addition to the conversation helps.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Sigma wrote:


So the philosophy of science is not antithetical to creation (another commonly insinuated propaganda)

I agree, it is not antithetical to scientific belief.


And as hard as it is for people to comprehend, philosophy comes first, and is the foundation of ALL sciences

Yes! Philosophy must come first. Or else scientists have no direction, no leverage for their data. Where are the modern philosophers? Speak up already? Were you trained? Then get in here. Give us your two cents. Don't make us grope in the dark!


Everything gets back to original intention...

Yup. That's right. Everything gets back there eventually. If it was other than in line with universal intent, the intent of the sourcefield itself, it is out of line with the universe and must correct itself to advance.


(which was the original excuse for why it could even occur in the first place and then trying to confuse that with what was originally taught as a separate and understood property of gene/phenotypic expression. i.e. adaptation. ie. we don't have fish become monkeys or bears, and we don't see horses becoming flying unicorns or dolphins etc... We are still missing about 20-30 missing links (i.e. all of them because they don't exist, despite millions of tax dollars spent to find and/or fake them...) to fill the gap between man and monkeys, and so have to make subliminal movies like "Lucy" to fill the gap, and barely keep alive the "suggestion" until they can find the next suggestion, Lucy is btw the latest in a long list of presented, then found to be falsified or misinterpreted "missing links" This is ugly truth of "Darwinian evolution" (whatever it means to you because I can never get two people to give me the same answer!)


and blah, blah, blah goes the scientific rhetoric...but is that science?


Cause I haven't seen anything that would help me understand this better then some very nice and well intentioned people who talk about stuff that I can't connect to anything that I know or understand... other then in the most generic and general sense, which as you pointed out can be technically explained in more simpler terms (occam's razor) Is it other dimensions? and if so how does that affect us now? Are they saying these dimensions themselves are shifting? I mean it's just endless speculation in my limited understanding, I can' claim any opinion due to lack of anything compelling. I need a some fundamental principles that could help me translate, and I don't see that coming from channellers, (haven't read Law of One, although I know that Wilcock swears by it...)

Well put, Sigma.

It is these fundamental principles that we must address.

As for densities as referred to it in the op? Omniverse seems sure. That is subjective. The rest must be sure too. That is objective-subjectivity. We don't even have a word for that...

[Omni]

In my view time is the 4th dimension, and consciousness the 5th dimension. Not density areas of space where beings live in lesser dense areas. That construct makes absolutely no sense IMO. How would it be regulated? For example, what if reptiles ended up forming advanced civilization on earth a long time ago, and/or humans came along then. Would they be waiting for "4D" or "5D" for millions of years for some galactic event? Correct me if I do not understand the ideas presented of densities from their sources.. I have not studied the material of them in depth. Find it hard when I see it all as a false premise.

As I understand it the entire universe and ETs are involved with 3d space, even other dimensions, they just have their own set of 3d space that is both separate and connected to our 3d space. Will someone who has read all of the law of one material tell me how densities are regulated and come along? It seems to me such an idea would require a God of some sort deciding when to ascend planets. Or else some races would be stuck in 3d for millions of years, and others such as cave men would ascend to 4d or 5d, if it was some galactic center radiation or galactic wave of some sort... I do not see the universe composed by a god(s), and it seems any galactic alignment needed would be an imperfect system since it would happen at varying times in the developmental process...

[Gatita]

Consciousness as the 5th dimension. Okay. Going to ponder that one for a while.

Gatita

[white wizard]

This thread has some very interesting points. Well done. Heres my two cents.
Ascension is possible, but if it was easy you would here about people doing it.
A well known technique in is to achieve the rainbow light body, which only a couple
hundred people on the planet have ever reached. They spent lifetimes meditating in
Tibet to achieve this. If you wanna ascend now, you gotta put in a lot of work.

http://soonyata.home.xs4all.nl/Soruba%20samadhi/achuk-rainbow-body-2.jpg
Lama Achuk Rinpoche was able to achieve this state, but
only after intense practice. This is one of the only known photos of someone
activating it.

Ascensions is basically just moving closer to the source in a designated incarnation
cycle. When we die many of us actually have the option to merge back with the
source for a little while, only to come back down to reincarnate. Some beings
never venture very far outside of the source, but people here are pretty far away
from it, but still connected.

Energy beings are actually rather common, and when we die we return to our
true form which can be seen here.

http://www.maxgreinerart.com/aWebIMAGES/more%20photo/Miracles/AngelOrbs/OrbCloseUp/IMG_0180.JPG

This is an example of a consciouss being in a state of pure energy.

As far as I know beings continue to incarnate into higher structures as they travel

through ascension and incarnation cycles. Not all beings are bound to these cycles

Examples of cycles from smallest to largest.

Atom
matter
small life form
plant
animal
Human
planet
star
galaxy
Universe

There is much more in between these cycles listed, but generaly only souls who wish
to experience our universe from beginning to end will follow this path, while other
consciousness forms can come in at any level and leave.

The human race could raise their level and ascend collectively, but that is gonna take
about a thousand years, maybe less just depends. Other people could incarnate
on other planets and ascend faster, just depends on your souls growth and path.

Also some beings may not follow typical incarnation patterns, and can freely
incarnate on any level they chose as long as their over soul has the required energy.

Example some souls freely incarnate in 3d-6d without the need to ascend. It really
just depends on the souls desired journey. not all souls choose to follow ascension
cycles.

I know there are some souls that study developing civilizations, and bounce back an
forth between densities. They can go from a planet that we perceive as completely
non physical to earth and back in just a couple of lifetimes. That is just one example
and these cases are rare

They may spend eons doing this and go in no particular direction, because the
multiverse is infinite and just going up or down will eventually get boring.

When I chose to come into this universe I decided to see it all an not follow
the up and down approach just go where ever was interesting. I call this the
a path of wandering/exploration. I am not leaving until I've seen everything,
which has taken me quite a while. Some souls may only take the up and down
approach, than finish in a several million years or less. I may not leave until
then end not sure guess that is what makes exploring with no direction
interesting.

People need to stop looking at ascension as a straight line theres many variables
not everyone takes the straight and narrow path lol

[Seeker of Knowledge]

There comes a time and there comes a place and in that place and time (an anchor) becomes a higher understanding of all things. WE ARE and therefore the anchor exists. SO BE. Thats all we ask. SO Be It. Narasimha tavada sohum.

[Maunagarjana]

Will someone who has read all of the law of one material tell me how densities are regulated and come along?

Hey, I already tried. But you insist on being lazy and having other people try to explain it to you rather than go to the source. It's no use trying to refute an idea you haven't taken the time to familiarize yourself with in detail. You end up just refuting your own flawed conception of it that bears no resemblance to what it actually is.

[Agape]

Not density areas of space where beings live in lesser dense areas. That construct makes absolutely no sense IMO. How would it be regulated? For example, what if reptiles ended up forming advanced civilization on earth a long time ago, and/or humans came along then. Would they be waiting for "4D" or "5D" for millions of years for some galactic event? Correct me if I do not understand the ideas presented of densities from their sources.. I have not studied the material of them in depth. Find it hard when I see it all as a false premise.




No , does not make sense Omni . You can't start explaining hyper dimensional physics or Universe based on some sort of conspiracy theory or semi-theological concept , which is what you are confused about, seems to me .

Error number one : the Universe is not geo-centric . Life on Earth is not 'model example' for Life in the Universe . If you want to think in broader terms about Life in the Universe you have to detach yourself from the concept of Life that only exists on Earth and its physical circumstances .
( most people can't do that or they get really crazy ... if they have to think about it )

Number two : the regulating mechanism of who can survive where is based on physical and biological laws .
There's no 'God' or 'Hierarchy' that creates or controls who lives where , in the vastness of Space , manifestation/emergence of Life, including the most advanced and complicated life forms happens in synchronicity with physical environments they inhabit ..
but there's an order/law of 'creation'/ manifestation of 'cosmic intelligence' that is far older than any ( ANY ) manifested Beings .

Even the most complex and complicated entities are based of 'life codes' , patterns projected to advanced / habitable environments where they evolve in synchronicity with their habitat .

Should you place 'human seed' to another planet, Solar system , place in the Universe .. what would evolve from it would not look like human being though the 'other entity' would certainly share some humane characteristics ,
the way it would look and project itself, biologically and mentally would be totally different .

Geocentrism ruled this civilisation for couple of million years ...don't forget ... so I think it's the reason why people have to learn think yet about life in the Universe correctly, without starting from 'me ...' .

Thirdly ... dimension is provisional term in physics ... relative term , just another metaphor . It only serves well as such.

What you call 'dimension' here are qualities ( physical properties ) of space-time continuum within systems such as galaxies, star systems and their planets .
These are not conceptual , they're more less factual - from relativistic point of view, of course .


You need to think in terms of physics AND biology, the correct version of how this works can't be really found in metaphysics or conspiracy theories,
that's why I am not feeling too comfortable with the debate .



:pray:

[Finefeather]

There are 6 major kingdoms in the cycle which every current human will evolve through...and...into...there are higher ones but it is pointless even attempting to conceptualise them because even the last 2...in these lower 6...are beyond the understanding of most of us.
They are all in 'Space and Time"...in which everything in the Cosmos has manifested into...there is nothing manifest outside of 'Space and Time".

The idea of ascension...(if we take the word in it's literal sense)...if we go from, say, physical 'plane' or 'dimension' ...to astral/emotional 'plane' or 'dimension'...to mental 'plane' or dimension...as some might experience during sleep, meditation, or out of body states...can be regarded as ascension only in that the objectivity or subjectivity of being conscious of these 'planes' requires a little more advanced consciousness or awareness of the structure of the Cosmos. This is far from true ascension...which is ascending from a lower kingdom into a higher kingdom.

Kingdoms are stages which the true Self or monad works it's way through...using different types of envelopes or bodies...in order to gain experiences to grow consciously, to realise different things about itself, until it finally realises it's true nature and sovereignty and individuality...and it's true purpose in life...in the Human Kingdom. These kingdoms are:
1. Mineral Kingdom
2. Plant Kingdom
3. Animal Kingdom
4. Human Kindgom
5. Planetary Kingdom
6. Solar Kingdom

All humans...if you like it or not...have ascended from the mineral kingdom.
This achievement is stunning to say the least...it has taken use many many aeons (1 aeon = 4320 million earth time years) to achieve, and in so doing, we...as Primordial Atoms/Monads/Selves have manifested on many different planets, some which are no longer in physical manifestation but still exist in the etheric 'plane' or 'dimension'.

When we became humans...a process known as causalisation...we separated from the group soul concept to individualisation...this is necessary in order that the true Self can realise it's individuality and it's responsibility to the life it is a part of.
Of course in most cases this realisation of individuality has gone out of control, and the ego...which is simply another name for the 'I' or individual Self at this stage...gets caught up in all sorts of dark, 'evil', 'satanic' 'Left hand path' practices...which it eventually works it's way through...and don't for one moment think it did not happen to you...we have all done things in past lives that would make a blind man blush looking through a brothel keyhole :)

It is the human goal to ascend to the 5th Natural Kingdom...which is the end point of natural reincarnation or 'involvation' into human bodies...and you are no longer a human being.
This is a kingdom of collective individuals who have similar goals...ALL of which have one thing in common...and that is to serve those in lower kingdoms in some way...be it 'science' or 'spirituality'...whilst at the same time receiving higher super-consciousness from the 6th Natural Kingdom...we never stop growing...and there are 12 Kingdoms in this Cosmos we are manifest in.

As much as we want to fight it...or get all emotional about it...humans are incapable of gaining higher Kingdom consciousness without the wisdom and truths which are passed down to them by 5th Kingdom Beings, via many ways...and who incarnate into human bodies to fulfil this service to others.

Christ and the Buddha were both from the 6th Solar Kingdom.

Ray

[Catsquotl]

Kingdoms are stages which the true Self or monad works it's way through...using different types of envelopes or bodies...in order to gain experiences to grow consciously, to realise different things about itself, until it finally realises it's true nature and sovereignty and individuality...and it's true purpose in life...in the Human Kingdom. These kingdoms are:
1. Mineral Kingdom
2. Plant Kingdom
3. Animal Kingdom
4. Human Kindgom
5. Planetary Kingdom
6. Solar Kingdom

All humans...if you like it or not...have ascended from the mineral kingdom.
Ray

And you have experienced this yourself?
Or learned it where?

With Love
Eelco

[Finefeather]

And you have experienced this yourself?
Or learned it where?

Yes I have experienced it and so has every other human, including you...most just cannot remember it any more.
Most people cannot even remember what they did when they were 1 year old...how do you expect them to remember aeons back?

Remembrance comes from our ability to access our sub-conscience by meditation and other techniques. Every single bit of our entire history is accessible...nothing is gone.

Remembrance often comes from, what seems like, no where, when triggered by some thought or action...like deja vu triggered by some encounter. We mostly just shrug it off as imagination and some even think it is a result of intuition or telepathy when it is old memories popping up from deep inside our sub-conscience...we just need to be ready when they pop up...and try our best to determine that it is not our colourful imaginations fooling us :)

I have, during out of body playtime, experienced extreme microscopic situations as well as extremely large expansions of awareness at the same time.

Much Love
Ray

[Catsquotl]

Good, For now i'll have to take your word for it.
I am happy to meet someone to whom it is all so clear.

I'll have to wait until that particular veil will lift for me.
For now, based on my experience I hold a slightly different view.

With Love
Eelco

[Meggings]

Hi White Wizard, I like your post. I've heard of this: "...the rainbow light body, which only a couple hundred people on the planet have ever reached..." but never seen it, although I HAVE seen my own Light Body crystal emanations coming out of my body. Perhaps it makes "rainbows" when light hits it at certain angles like a prism?

I have seen myself as an orb of consciousness now and then when I go to another timeline, although generally I seem to only be a point of awareness in my travels. The avatar I chose for this forum is the geometric structure I saw myself in when visiting a high-beyond-high self, so I imagine souls can travel in different vehicles for different purposes.

About incarnating as a galaxy, I have seen myself as one, and in that experience time was so speeded up that all the other galaxies around me were spinning and tumbling and moving visibly. These words are written to give an idea of mankind's capabilities that they are moving into. Again, ascension is OPENING ONE'S AWARENESS to other levels of self, and entering into them consciously. Recently, "Cosmic Awareness" was asked what ascension was, and here are It's words:

"...[Ascension] could be understood in some ways as a fail-safe that ensures that eventually all will return back into the total context of Divine Ultimate Spirit Source. That this is an instinctual action that each expression of the imagination of the God Force implants within that experience in consciousness at whatever level, whatever dimension."

[Pam]

Dang it, Omni,,, You used the 'A' Word,, then the 'C' word.. Ascension and Channeling.. Beyond physicality, you are still there. Alive and well.. What happens to individuals beyond that is not my business. I've spent quite a bit of time describing what I experience in the Astral, Beyond physicality. I can use words like 'vibrations', resonance, density, 3D/4D, Void, etc,,, but if I do,,,, I am singled out and put into the 'new age BS' category... (Which I am fine with, actually,, :))

With that said... I am right there with you, Omni.. BTW,, Awesome that you are blogging again... You have an amazing mind.. :)

I will strongly disagree with you regarding information gleaned from alternate 'locales' to be only the work of Channelers. I am no channeler,, but I can tell you all about different states of mind and there bringing about different states of being. I can tell you that there is an observer looking through these eyes,, and this observer is NOT physical..

Ascension did not used to be a word that I disliked. However, for much the same reasons that you have brought up,, The word has become a dirty word..

Folks tend to want to bring a hierarchy into the fray. Higher=better,, Lower= worst,, I switched to using the word 'density', as that was a bit better of a description.. However, densities do not describe anything other than our understanding of Physicality,, and Not the different states of existence...

Even talk about 'Source' or 'A great Center' denotes a BELIEF in needing to look to some far off point of space or time for one to become WHOLE again...

We are here, now.. If it wasn't supposed to be this way, then it would NOT BE THIS WAY....

I believe in shedding layers, to make one more whole. Layers of belief. It takes courage,,, not angels.. It takes looking inward,, NOT outward... It takes trusting yourself,, NOT the universe or God..

I believe in personal sovereignty and taking back ones own power.. A side note here,, I believe that Jesus spoke a message of sovereignty... But sovereign folks cannot be controlled,, so they myths of divinity and of ascension and of some sort of God-like status was used to destroy the message... (Council of Nycea)

There is nothing new about that tactic. It is being used to this very day to stop folks from thinking for themselves,, and to keep looking to Gurus and 'Ascended' masters for their OWN EXISTENCE... It makes me sick to my stomach...

So now,, how do I describe leaving my body? Something as simple as an ObE cannot be described without backlash from folks who are,, simply,, sick of the BS...

What a doggle!! :)

I have had amazing experiences beyond space and time... I remember them in the NOW.. Ascension is a trick to get you to believe that no matter who you are,, you are limited.. I am having an amazing experience right here!!! :) There are no ascended masters... Though,, there ARE masters.... There are amazing beings that navigate the physical and non-physical Universes, Masters of space and time.. But they have become confused by the damn mirror that they look into,, because they have been convinced that they have 'fallen from grace' That is a lie, and a damn shame....

I don't go up or down through 'gates' of ascension. I walk Horizontally... :) I walk my walk and wherever I go,, there I am...


You see,, now I'm sounding like a New Age FreakyDeaky again... So I shall digress..

Science isn't even about proof.. It is about the EVIDENCE.... Be careful,, science is a belief too... :)


Awesome points, all around..



Jake.




Jake, thanks for sharing so much wisdom with us. The following quote from you sums it up beautifully in my estimation:


I believe in shedding layers, to make one more whole. Layers of belief. It takes courage,,, not angels.. It takes looking inward,, NOT outward... It takes trusting yourself,, NOT the universe or God..


It took me such a long time to understand what you stated so beautifully in one sentence.

With much respect,
Pam

[Wind]

The Law of One-material is highly trustworthy, but that's just a subjective opinion. I don't want to argue about it, so let's leave it that. If you have already dismissed some information without even studying it (extensively, I should add), then you are already biased in your views, no offense meant. Some like The Seth material too, but I'm not so familiar with it. Of course always take everything with a pinch of salt and use your own intuition. It tends to work most of the time, I think.

Densities (http://www.lawofone.info/synopsis.php) according to the Law of One-material:

The creation has seven levels, or densities; the eighth density forming the first density of the next octave of experience, just as the eighth note of a musical scale begins a new octave. Between seventh and eight densities the creation re-merges in a period of timeless, formless unity with the Creator.


First density is the density of awareness, in which the planet moves out of the timeless state into physical manifestation. Its elements are earth, air, water, and fire. On earth, after matter had coalesced and space/time had begun to “unroll its scroll of livingness”, first density took about two billion years.


Second density is the density of growth, in which what we call biological life emerges and evolves into greater and greater complexity. Second density on earth took about 4.6 billion years.


Third density is the density of self-awareness and the first density of consciousness of the spirit. It is the “axis upon which the creation turns” because in it entities choose the way (either service to others or service to self) in which they will further their evolution toward the Creator. Third density is much shorter than the other densities, taking only 75,000 years.


Fourth density is the density of love or understanding. Those who have successfully chosen a path come together with others of like mind in what Ra calls a “social memory complex” in order to pursue that path, either loving self or loving others. Fourth density lasts approximately 30 million years; fourth-density lifespans are approximately 90 thousand years.


Fifth density is the density of light or wisdom. Lessons are often learned individually rather than as a social memory complex. Fifth-density entities are beautiful, by our standards, because they can consciously shape their physical forms.


Sixth density is the density of unity, in which love and wisdom are blended together. The two paths reunite as those on the service-to-self path, realizing that they cannot successfully master the lessons of unity without opening their hearts to others, switch their polarity to positive.


Seventh density is the gateway density, in which we once again become one with all . It is “a density of completion and the turning towards timelessness or foreverness.”


Eighth density is also the beginning of the first density of the next Creation. It is “both omega and alpha, the spiritual mass of the infinite universes becoming one central sun or Creator once again. Then is born a new universe, a new infinity, a new Logos which incorporates all that the Creator has experienced of Itself.”


From lower planes of existence we eventually evolve to higher planes of existence and consciousness... The word ascension is what it is, just a word and we have given it meaning. Words can be so limiting at times, don't you think? Maybe "expansion" or evolving are far better words, but it takes a lot of time for souls to evolve. I.e. many, many incarnations and eons of time. Then again, we have all the time in the world to evolve and experience, don't we?

"We are not going in circles, we are going upwards. The path is a spiral; we have already climbed many steps."

— Hermann Hesse (Siddhartha)

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[Omni]

Hey, I already tried. But you insist on being lazy and having other people try to explain it to you rather than go to the source. It's no use trying to refute an idea you haven't taken the time to familiarize yourself with in detail. You end up just refuting your own flawed conception of it that bears no resemblance to what it actually is.
Care to explain what perception of mine is flawed in it? Other than me seeing it as a false construct(which is opinion based on both sides)? And you never explained to me how different densities come along, which has been my question repeatedly. So you are conclusively inaccurate there. Nobody has been able to answer such a thing to me. And for the record I have looked into it somewhat. I just think it's a waste of time to spend hours doing such.


If you have already dismissed some information without even studying it (extensively, I should add), then you are already biased in your views, no offense meant.
I have found something inaccurate in it rather conclusively to me. So why would I study it extensively when I think it's a false construct. I am not biased because of my opinion..


bi·ased
ˈbīəst/
adjective
adjective: biased

unfairly prejudiced for or against someone or something.

I am not unfairly prejudiced against the ideas of densities. Simply having an opinion does not indicate bias. I have reviewed enough of it to know at least one of the ideas about it is false. And see clear strategy behind propagating such things that fully aligns with the cabal's agenda. Time will tell eventually if they are accurate or not. I do think it speaks volumes about densities not being how the universe is composed, in that there is not a spec of scientific evidence of such things.

[Agape]

1. Mineral Kingdom
2. Plant Kingdom
3. Animal Kingdom
4. Human Kindgom
5. Planetary Kingdom
6. Solar Kingdom

All humans...if you like it or not...have ascended from the mineral kingdom.


And I've seen ... accidentally or not .. they didn't . They actually 'descended' from beings of higher biological order to the 'kingdom of earth' and its planetosphere ,
and became part and parcel of its elementary - mineral structure ,
it's cellular structuralisation as underlying pattern of all biological matter on this planet .. and so forth.

Which ever stands in direct opposite not only to prevalent scientific beliefs and dogma preached about the Gaian hypothesis and Darwinian evolution ( applied to the origins of man ) but also to most spiritualists concepts that start with mankind created for and on this planet .

Go figure why no one gets me right , quite yet .


:p



And it not only makes me feel like Giordanno Bruno (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno) at the inquisition court , also as Araucaria put it ''we here are not used to come from the point of knowing on earth'' ,

so finding myself quite lost among the multitudes of copyrighted thesis and opinions that all the scientists and theologists worked out so diligently and got them peer reviewed ...

shame for the truth standing at stake , at all times on this planet .

[Omni]

I guess this turned somewhat in a talk about densities. I wanted to avoid such.. Oh well, my mistake for bringing them up at all. Anyway, great discussion about incarnational ascension going on. I was reflecting on what some said in this thread and I think it's quite insightful. I personally like this quote that relates to such:

"God sleeps in the Minerals, Awakens in Plants, Walks in theAnimals and Thinks in Man."

Maybe God is soul, or the closest thing to god is soul, no hierarchal being who designed everything, just a infinite Omniverse that likely includes numerous if not infinite multiverses, which include an infinite amount of universes, that are all clyclically created from mechanics within one another(connected universes), while nature, and the X-factor, extraterrestrials, create life. Nature is my God. The idea of being back at my soulular source timelessly is not interesting to me as described in the law of one. Timelessness is non-existence. I think a joke is being played on people with that line personally. Maybe I'm wrong... Does anyone truly claim to understand timelessness, and can explain to me how one can be in any desirable form without time ever again? I am not saying it has to be linear, it can be entirely holographic... But without forms of time one is non existent IMHO. I can't ignore these flaws in the law of one.. It says the highest form of existence is basically non-existence. I am among source and god while living in my view. Nature. My church is earth. Nature is source IMHO. And any ET that speaks of God, the creator of all, as a conscious being, I think of full of it TBH...


Geez i go from one controversial subject to the next, you'd think I'm trying to make people dislike me or something.... Just speaking my mind really.. I wouldn't post this due to people disliking me because of it, but I don't see anyone else saying it. More an obligation at that point...

[NancyV]

Omni, until you experience timelessness you will probably not believe that it exists and that you can exist within timelessness. This is understandable. I would never have understood timelessness unless I had experienced it many times. I still can't explain how it feels but I know what the feeling is and it IS timelessness, the ever present now. The Source is the All and None...all at the same time/timelessness. When I have merged with Source I did not lose my SELF, I became the one big humongous all encompassing SELF/EGO that was involved in the eternal process of Creation and being everything in the Creation. There are some more words that cannot be understood or described accurately - Eternal or Eternity, Creation, Source.

The lower dimensions do have a sort of time, but it is not like our time here and it is not linear. Once I leave the lower astral and go into higher vibrational dimensions the time becomes more timeless and eternal. Beings in the astral realms have different levels of awareness and many different games are played, similar to here in some ways, games of power and control over souls who are still learning who they truly are and how unlimited their powers are. Until one realizes that they are the controller of all their experiences they will give their power over to someone who is pretending to be the controller, which could be a self styled "god" or a dictator type or an "angel" who is there to "help" you (as long as you follow the rules). I saw many beings who were living in different so-called heavens (never did see the paradise where Muslims get their 72 virgins) and they seemed perfectly happy to still be in a hierarchical situation with someone else telling them what to do.

Then there are the higher vibrational dimensions. One of them that I seemed to be in for about a million years (a timeless time) had beings which I called the bubble people. We looked almost exactly like the photo of the glowing orbs posted above. We were almost totally connected consciousness with still the small separation of the amorphous and glowing orbs which contained our "individual" consciousness. By this time I had merged with many many other consciousness but I was still ME, just a much expanded me.

Each place or dimension or plane of existence or whatever one wants to call it, has a different frequency or vibration. As the vibration increases in the so called higher planes, the density is less and beings experience more and more what could be called light and love. The closer one gets to Source the more intense is the vibration of light and love. When I merge with Source I am all things, all of Creation, and the Void at the same time. I still have SELF awareness. It is an awesome feeling and there are no words I could ever find to really describe it, so this is a rather lame attempt to do so. Certainly there could never be any scientific proof of what happens in all these different levels of reality, or dimensions.

I can only tell you what I have experienced in 7 years of traveling on the "inner planes" many hundreds of times. I cannot say what will happen to anyone else and I do not agree that there are absolute laws that cannot be broken or adjusted. I never accept any being who attempts to tell me that I am limited in any way or that I must obey someone else. Maybe that attitude was helpful to me because I never got stuck for too long in any place where others were very content to stay because they thought it was the ultimate heaven. I don't let ANYONE tell me what I can or cannot do because I am Source, just as I know we all are Source.

Anyone who wants rules, proof, etc. is more than welcome to continue trying to find something that makes sense and satisfies their desire for something understandable to the human mind. But until they experience these things, they will KNOW nothing. Even now that I know what happened to me in my years of experiences, I do not say that you or anyone else will see or feel the same things I did and felt. I would not tell you that it would take countless incarnations for you to evolve to the point where you could merge with Source. I think we are all unlimited beings, limited only by our own beliefs in our limitations and our beliefs that there are others more powerful than we are.

If we really understand the concept that we are all ONE, that we are all Source and a part of Source at the same time, that we are unified and live in duality at the same "time", then we wouldn't worry so much about whether we will ascend, reincarnate, go to heaven, hell, wherever. Because we are all ONE, we are Source experiencing itself in many different ways. We can choose to play any games in our life and it's all okay. I don't need anyone to believe I am telling the truth for them or even believe I am telling the truth for me. None of that matters to me.

I do not care for others attempting to tell me what other dimensions/densities will be like for me and that I have to follow a certain path to get there. It either amuses me or on occasion irritates me just as I occasionally get irritated when missionaries come to my door and try to talk me into going to their church (The Church of the Presumptuous Assumption!). Maybe they are right for them, but only I am right for me. I appreciate their right to their beliefs...for themselves. I prefer to stay away from BELIEFS and deal with experiences and preferences.

There are not scientific PROOFS for anything. There are only theories and beliefs. Actual experiences most often cannot be explained adequately, but we do the best we can within our limited human language capabilities.

[Finefeather]

1. Mineral Kingdom
2. Plant Kingdom
3. Animal Kingdom
4. Human Kindgom
5. Planetary Kingdom
6. Solar Kingdom

All humans...if you like it or not...have ascended from the mineral kingdom.


And I've seen ... accidentally or not .. they didn't . They actually 'descended' from beings of higher biological order to the 'kingdom of earth' and its planetosphere ,
and became part and parcel of its elementary - mineral structure ,
it's cellular structuralisation as underlying pattern of all biological matter on this planet .. and so forth.

If you try to understand what you are...a primordial atom...you would understand that it is impossible to split yourself up into a mineral structure and become a mineral...we are each an individual atom at a stage in consciousness evolution.

Once we have evolved into the human kingdom it is not possible to go back to a lower kingdom...you should consider what we are made up of whilst in a physical body...minerals...molecules...organs...these are the very things which we use to create our form...the 'driver' which is the real Self is indestructible and is the monad/consciousness/energy which binds these minerals...molecules...organs whilst we are incarnate.

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, is just the return of these fundamental molecules back to the mineral kingdom...you as a Self cannot contribute to that...because you are indestructible.

The descent you are confusing things with is known as involution into matter...the first pass when primordial atoms...which include each one of us...descends or involves, for the first time, to the stage of the mineral.

Evolution begins at the mineral stage...after the primordial atom...which is what all beings are...has descended into the lowest stage of matter...which is the mineral kingdom.

Everything is a Being at either some involutionary or evolutionary stage...and everything has consciousness...even if we do not realise it...like a grain of sand.

Ray

[Finefeather]

Omni, until you experience timelessness you will probably not believe that it exists and that you can exist within timelessness.
There is no such thing as timelessness...this is a confusion which is created because we have nothing to measure against.

Many people claim to have experienced timelessness in some meditative or out of body state, but this is not so...time seems to slow down for some but speed up for others.

For example, if you go out of body you can experience things which would take what would seem like hours, but when you wake up in your body and check the clock out it has only forwarded a minute or two.
This would therefore logically indicate that time has speeded up whilst out of body and when we get back into our body and check the clock out it would logically seem like time has slowed down...because we did so much in such a short time.

The facts are that time is constant and relative...it is thought that confuses the issue...because thought speed is almost instant in comparison to light speed...so when out of body everything is about thought and thought is a consciousness expression...also thought creates everything around us in the out of body states or meditative states...so we can do things out of body in what seems like an instant...certainly not a timeless phenomena.

Every action has a cycle or duration and thought is an action as well as a consciousness expression...so there is always a beginning and always and end...we just do not realise how fast some things are able to occur at.

I have been able to stop the second hand of my watch for what seems like ages but this is just another example of what can be done in a second if your mind is distracted from physical duration.
Take care
Ray

[Omni]

Omni, until you experience timelessness you will probably not believe that it exists and that you can exist within timelessness. This is understandable. I would never have understood timelessness unless I had experienced it many times. I still can't explain how it feels but I know what the feeling is and it IS timelessness, the ever present now. The Source is the All and None...all at the same time/timelessness. When I have merged with Source I did not lose my SELF, I became the one big humongous all encompassing SELF/EGO that was involved in the eternal process of Creation and being everything in the Creation. There are some more words that cannot be understood or described accurately - Eternal or Eternity, Creation, Source.
If you were experiencing it, it involved time. Had you been experiencing things without time, it would not be perceivable, because nothing is happening. A good example of what timelessness would be like, is while you are deep asleep and blacked out from experiencing anything.

There is a reason you can't explain it IMO. Did you experience more than one thing in timelessness Nancy? If you did, it involved time. And if you were cognizant of anything that means there was time too, since without time cognizance of something is not possible. Holding an idea in your mind without time is not possible...


Then there are the higher vibrational dimensions. One of them that I seemed to be in for about a million years (a timeless time)
A million years is time in itself... Respectfully I disagree that it was timeless.

[Finefeather]

"God sleeps in the Minerals, Awakens in Plants, Walks in the Animals and Thinks in Man."

Yes very profound if it is understood...

The esoteric version of this is:

“Consciousness sleeps in the stone, dreams in the plant, awakens in the animal, and becomes self-consciousness in man”.

These are of course the first 4 natural kingdoms.

[Omni]

Another blaring flaw in the law of one material is that it does not seem to mention soul mates being the apex. My contacts have said that their view of the apex of existence is infinity with a lover. Someone that is perfect for you and you for them, who loves you more than anyone(including god if there is one IMO) who your souls grow together and also have very close bonds. I doubt the law of one mentions soul mates much, since it is likely IMO from a source that dislikes the idea(reptilians and their minions). Just speculation, not saying I nec. believe that but it's my top theory atm on that material...

[Maunagarjana]

Hey, I already tried. But you insist on being lazy and having other people try to explain it to you rather than go to the source. It's no use trying to refute an idea you haven't taken the time to familiarize yourself with in detail. You end up just refuting your own flawed conception of it that bears no resemblance to what it actually is.

Care to explain what perception of mine is flawed in it? Other than me seeing it as a false construct(which is opinion based on both sides)? And you never explained to me how different densities come along, which has been my question repeatedly. So you are conclusively inaccurate there. Nobody has been able to answer such a thing to me. And for the record I have looked into it somewhat. I just think it's a waste of time to spend hours doing such.

You're right, I didn't really go into all the nitty gritty details of graduation (also called Harvest, but I won't use that term as people completely misunderstand it) in our last conversation. But I did touch on some of the concepts. I really think you should read the books for yourself rather than try to rely on someone trying to give you the Cliff's Notes version, because you're not going to get a lot of the important nuances and details. It's a very vast question you are asking.

VERY basically, there's no one way that graduation happens. It's different for every density. Certain qualifications have to be met before one is ready to take on an incarnation into a higher density. These qualifications correspond with energetic changes that have to be made. If those qualifications are not met, one would be unable to handle the conditions of the energy environment in the next density, so one absolutely has to be ready for it. You can repeat densities as many times as you want to. There's no rush. You have eternity to do it. There are cycles of time involved in each density (Wind talked about this above.) Each step of progression recapitulates intelligent infinity in its original discovery of awareness. Anyway, I will attempt to give a rough outline, but I'm leaving out a LOT so as not to over-complicate things.

For movement from 1st density to 2nd, there must be a sufficient increase of awareness and growth. This takes a very long time. It's basically the transition from an existence as inorganic matter and the elements to being an organism.

From 2nd to 3rd, there must be a development of a conscious sense of self. This also takes a very long time. For instance, household pets are usually nearing the end of 2nd density. By treating your cat or dog like a person, you are helping them to develop a conscious sense of self.

From 3rd to 4th, a choice has to be made sufficiently of what path the entity is on, service to others or service to self. The choice is largely a matter of intent, but also of living in accordance with the choice. Those who do not make a choice - those mired in "the vast sinkhole of indifference" - stay in 3rd density until they do). They do say you can graduate from 3rd to 4th at any time in the cycle if you discover the gateway to intelligent infinity, which it is said that some people in Earth's history have done this.

Note: The planet Earth itself is transitioning from 3rd to 4th density, and so if you want to move with it into 4th density, you have to graduate. If not, you go to some other 3rd density planet elsewhere to do another cycle. My interpretation of the Law of One books is that the transition on this planet to the 4th will happen by 4th density double bodied souls incarnating. By "double bodied" I mean energy bodies that can exist in both 3rd density and 4th density. These would be the Indigo/Crystal/Rainbow children or whatever you want to call them. The kids Mary Rodwell talks about. Eventually, no more 3rd density souls will be able to incarnate on Earth anymore. This may already be happening.

Note also: 4th density is the density of love. But how it expresses itself and the lessons that need to be learned depends on the path that was chosen. For 4th density negative, it is the love of self. For 4th density positive, it is love of others. The difference between the two being love that is either with or without compassion. And it is a prerequisite that those on the negative path consciously block their heart chakra and be incredibly disciplined in their self love, but it should be noted that this heart chakra blockage does not impede development of the higher energy centers.

The graduation from 4th to 5th is a matter of developing understanding. It largely involves the ability to love, accept, and use a certain intensity of light. This is the requirement for graduation from 4th to 5th by those on both positive and negative paths. This is the sort of stuff we would find very hard to relate to. In fact, everything beyond this point is beyond our ability to truly comprehend the mechanics of it. 5th density is called the density of Wisdom. But the wisdom of 5th density, for those on the negative path, is wisdom without compassion. This is the sort of wisdom that would be more about being discerning, watchful, cautious, discreet, nimble, flexible and cunning. You can do all of those things without compassion.

The graduation from 5th to 6th involves consciously accepting the Law of One, which is that All is One. 6th is the level the Ra collective reports that they are at, and they say at this point they have moved beyond having any type of form. This is also the density that our Higher Self exists on, also termed Oversoul (It is the sum total of all of an individual's incarnations up to that point, and it is involved in programming catalyst for it's various incarnations....it's hard to explain, but you can talk with and even meet your higher self if you wish to.) It should be noted that the negative path ends usually by the end of 5th density. A few do manage to stay somewhat negative after graduating to 6th, but soon after entering 6th, that has to change or they will not be able to become a part of a social memory complex, which is a necessary part of 6th. The work of 6th density is to unify wisdom and compassion. The STS/STO polarity does not come into play there, as it is seen that service to self *is* service to others and service to others *is* service to self.

The graduation from 6th to 7th, honestly, I'm not really clear on. This is way beyond us anyway. But you get the idea. Ra calls it the "gateway cycle", which I assume is a reference to the gateway of intelligent infinity. Ra does offer this about what comes after 7th: "After the seventh has been well entered the mind/body/spirit complex becomes so totally a mind/body/spirit complex totality that it begins to gather spiritual mass and approach the octave density. Thus the looking backwards is finished at that point."

Ra sums up the densities like this:

"First, the cycle of awareness; second, the cycle of growth; third, the cycle of self-awareness; fourth, the cycle of love or understanding; fifth, the cycle of light or wisdom; sixth, the cycle of light/love, love/light, or unity; seventh, the gateway cycle; eighth, the octave which moves into a mystery we do not plumb."

Now, you may dismiss the idea of densities simply because the 3rd density technology addicted ETs you deal with have no knowledge of this stuff, but you can experience 4th density yourself. Yeah, you can experience 4th density through astral projection, through near death experiences, through DMT trips and other psychedelics....but this would be 4th density time/space not 4th density space/time. Under normal circumstances, you would have to be incarnated in a 4th density activated body to experience 4th density space/time (or at least be double bodied.) Time/space and Space/time are like the flip sides of each other. Two sides of the same coin. The many planes of the "spirit world" exists in time/space, and all the astral planes too. Ra also calls time/space "the inner planes".

A lot of people have trouble with there only being 7 levels, especially OBErs who say they've experienced far more than seven, but what they don't realize is that each density can be infinitely subdivided. Each density could be divided into 7 sub-densities, and each of those divided into 7 sub-sub-densities, and each of those can be divided into to 7 sub-sub-sub-densities, and so forth, ad infinitum. We're really talking about an energetic spectrum of consciousness, and just as with any spectrum, the divisions of it are pretty much arbitrary. But it aids in understanding to make such arbitrary distinctions.

I mentioned this in our last conversation, but I think it bears repeating: The Ra collective describe the different densities as being like notes in a scale, which they call the octave (7 notes, the 8th being the beginning of the next octave), and this corresponds with the 7 chakras and the colors of the visible light spectrum (ie. the 7 colors of the rainbow) and the electromagnetic spectrum.

http://www.photobiology.org/UserFiles/Image/EM-spectrum.jpg

http://www.going-home.org/en/images/stories/7EnergyM.jpg

[Finefeather]

Another blaring flaw in the law of one material is that it does not seem to mention soul mates being the apex. My contacts have said that their view of the apex of existence is infinity with a lover. Someone that is perfect for you and you for them, who loves you more than anyone(including god if there is one IMO) who your souls grow together and also have very close bonds. I doubt the law of one mentions soul mates much, since it is likely IMO from a source that dislikes the idea(reptilians and their minions). Just speculation, not saying I nec. believe that but it's my top theory atm on that material...
With all due respects to your contacts I would hesitate to criticize the law of one material for not mentioning soul mates.

Soul mates is a myth created by people who have incorrectly understood ancient writings...and...who's emotional desire for a lover of sorts, has solved this by introducing this fictitious tale.

First...there are no male and female 'souls'...we incarnate into male or female bodies for the purpose of some experience.
Secondly...in one life you could be your daughters father and the next one your daughter could be your father or your aunt or the girl next door who you fall in love with and marry.

The mystery though is complex yet simple...

Every monad or Self...that each one of us...incarnates into a body in an outer causal envelope or 'body'. This causal envelope is divided into a lower and an upper, divided but not separated.
The upper or main part remains in the causal world which is the higher mental 'plane' or 'dimension'...this part collects all the history of your human existences...it can be likened to your sub-conscience...it does not incarnate.

The ancients reported this 'double' causal envelope...but the ignorant thought that this was a twin soul or soul mate and so the myths and legends started...and now even people like your contacts are spewing out the fiction...and many sad lonely people in the planet who have heard about this myth are waiting for the day they will meet their long lost soul mate...which will never happen.

Of course many people meet a mate who is so compatible that it almost seems like they should be twins...but this is only so because of their similar consciousness levels and goals and outlook...and without a doubt this was planned even before the babies started screaming for that first suckle of the breast :)...it was their destiny...

[Sebastion]

Sorry Ray, but I disagree completely regarding timelessness. You are attempting to use earth/human terms regarding time and applying it to Source, Itself. That in itself is patently ridiculous. Please tell me how one can apply "time" to something which has always been, IS and ever shall be? It's a waste of energy. Time is a construct, an idea and has no meaning in regards to Source, as Source is timeless. Source just IS.






Omni, until you experience timelessness you will probably not believe that it exists and that you can exist within timelessness.
There is no such thing as timelessness...this is a confusion which is created because we have nothing to measure against.

Many people claim to have experienced timelessness in some meditative or out of body state, but this is not so...time seems to slow down for some but speed up for others.

For example, if you go out of body you can experience things which would take what would seem like hours, but when you wake up in your body and check the clock out it has only forwarded a minute or two.
This would therefore logically indicate that time has speeded up whilst out of body and when we get back into our body and check the clock out it would logically seem like time has slowed down...because we did so much in such a short time.

The facts are that time is constant and relative...it is thought that confuses the issue...because thought speed is almost instant in comparison to light speed...so when out of body everything is about thought and thought is a consciousness expression...also thought creates everything around us in the out of body states or meditative states...so we can do things out of body in what seems like an instant...certainly not a timeless phenomena.

Every action has a cycle or duration and thought is an action as well as a consciousness expression...so there is always a beginning and always and end...we just do not realise how fast some things are able to occur at.

I have been able to stop the second hand of my watch for what seems like ages but this is just another example of what can be done in a second if your mind is distracted from physical duration.
Take care
Ray

[Omni]

With all due respects to your contacts I would hesitate to criticize the law of one material for not mentioning soul mates.

Soul mates is a myth created by people who have incorrectly understood ancient writings...and...who's emotional desire for a lover of sorts, has solved this by introducing this fictitious tale.
You obviously do not understand the process of controlling where one incarnates. Extraterrestrials have systems for when and where we incarnate. If they didn't impose these systems for example, people like Buddha's soul would could be incarnating in things such as cows, pigs, or dogs. They have good reason to do it. Soul mates is much more than mythology in reality. However reality is pretty foreign to humans, even people who look into alternative views of reality than mainstream.

Eventually(after global first contact) we will be able to control who we incarnate with more deeply. This is when the value of a soul mate and soul family will be obvious to pretty much all people. If your post survives I doubt it will be seen with much esteem...



First...there are no male and female 'souls'...we incarnate into male or female bodies for the purpose of some experience.
Some soul mates switch incarnations as male or female. However some soul's often prefer to be one or the other. Soul's do have traits, and sometimes people feel they are most comfortable incarnating as male or female repeatedly. I have come across numerous in that way, including myself. I like to incarnate mostly as male and find females the most attractive regardless of which side i incarnate in. I realize these may be new ideas not so supported by big names. However that shouldn't detract from it being true, if it is such...



Secondly...in one life you could be your daughters father and the next one your daughter could be your father or your aunt or the girl next door who you fall in love with and marry.
I think some souls incarnate mostly as one sex under the conditions applied to souls and how they incarnate as what they do.



and now even people like your contacts are spewing out the fiction...and many sad lonely people in the planet who have heard about this myth are waiting for the day they will meet their long lost soul mate...which will never happen.

My opinion is most people who think they have found their soul mate, believe that because energetically that person aligns to their preferences in their soul. However there is a real science to soul mates in terms of incarnating with other people. Were you aware that who we incarnate with is controlled? Or do you deny that and say people like buddha could be a dog for 25 years, then a cow for 7 years... I think it is you who has the fiction here. Have you ever heard how I present it? And are you even capable of upgrading your beliefs on things if you see a point of view that explains things better? Not many people are capable of that. I think it is due to genetic pollution personally.


Of course many people meet a mate who is so compatible that it almost seems like they should be twins...but this is only so because of their similar consciousness levels and goals and outlook...and without a doubt this was planned even before the babies started screaming for that first suckle of the breast :)...it was their destiny...

So you say it is people's destiny to be together.. Maybe even believe in reincarnation. Yet somehow think soul mates incarnating with each other is fiction? I don't see your line of reasoning. Seems you did what a lot of people do, and you witness something in people, and it has an effect on your ability to see the truth. For example people's reactions to the words like the soul in circles that reject religion and embrace science.

[Finefeather]

Sorry Ray, but I disagree completely regarding timelessness. You are attempting to use earth/human terms regarding time and applying it to Source, Itself. That in itself is patently ridiculous. Please tell me how one can apply "time" to something which has always been, IS and ever shall be? It's a waste of energy. Time is a construct, an idea and has no meaning in regards to Source, as Source is timeless. Source just IS.

Well no problem Sebastion, dear brother, no need to be sorry...if we differ :)

You don't however need to express your disagreement in a way which seems like you are the teacher and the only one who is correct and are now marking my exam paper :)

And why is it patently ridiculous...just because you say so?

You are separating "earth/human terms" from NON "earth/human terms"...which you call "source"...which is a fatal error...the only difference is the level and state of vibration you'r in...there is no such thing called 'source' as you describe it in my understanding.

I cannot even begin to debate with you because quite frankly our understanding is so different that there is no place to begin.
My suggestion to you is...say what you want to say but try not have such a condescending attitude...when I replied to Nancy's post I started off and stated my disagreement...after which I tried to give my reason and explanation...you can accept it or reject it...but don't disagree with me and start accusing me of patent ridiculousness and wasting time.

Then you make a closing profound statement, as if it answers everything, and say...."Source just IS"

Well Sebastion I do not agree with your belief because I have experienced it differently, and if there is differences in beliefs, then either you should accept this as been part of your 'sources' plan...or you could wonder whether there is a side of life called truth which you might not be able to comprehend or even understand yet.

I cannot see any place where I stated that this was to be believed beyond any other view...but you are saying to me that I should not be so ridiculous that I could actually present such a stupid hypothesis.

Take care and much love
Ray

[Agape]

1. Mineral Kingdom
2. Plant Kingdom
3. Animal Kingdom
4. Human Kindgom
5. Planetary Kingdom
6. Solar Kingdom

All humans...if you like it or not...have ascended from the mineral kingdom.


And I've seen ... accidentally or not .. they didn't . They actually 'descended' from beings of higher biological order to the 'kingdom of earth' and its planetosphere ,
and became part and parcel of its elementary - mineral structure ,
it's cellular structuralisation as underlying pattern of all biological matter on this planet .. and so forth.

If you try to understand what you are...a primordial atom...you would understand that it is impossible to split yourself up into a mineral structure and become a mineral...we are each an individual atom at a stage in consciousness evolution.

Once we have evolved into the human kingdom it is not possible to go back to a lower kingdom...you should consider what we are made up of whilst in a physical body...minerals...molecules...organs...these are the very things which we use to create our form...the 'driver' which is the real Self is indestructible and is the monad/consciousness/energy which binds these minerals...molecules...organs whilst we are incarnate.

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, is just the return of these fundamental molecules back to the mineral kingdom...you as a Self cannot contribute to that...because you are indestructible.

The descent you are confusing things with is known as involution into matter...the first pass when primordial atoms...which include each one of us...descends or involves, for the first time, to the stage of the mineral.

Evolution begins at the mineral stage...after the primordial atom...which is what all beings are...has descended into the lowest stage of matter...which is the mineral kingdom.

Everything is a Being at either some involutionary or evolutionary stage...and everything has consciousness...even if we do not realise it...like a grain of sand.

Ray



Ray ...I know you have MUCH wisdom ..

but we're each speaking from completely different perspective at the moment ... and while I've contemplated 'yours' for lifetime ,
you've never been introduced to mine .

Wisdom is a world of its own , a science of magnificent importance to humanity and we're all so very short of it .

And from the oceans of wisdoms ... each of us, is an individual , sovereign sparkle of cosmic intelligence who are entitled to choose , at any moment ,
and aware of our freedom in fact we have to choose the modality of manifestation of our wisdom,
in this world , and another , and between the two .

So while I let you call me and all of us grains of sand because it all , this moment is too transient and too perishable to be of any importance at all ,

I likewise choose to keep emotions associated with your timeless yet human perspective to one side because they're not native to me, and not native to you either if you knew better .

Maybe it's not right that I talk and share , and live among you ..

better to leave here with your wisdoms.


:angel:


E

[Sebastion]

I only use the term Source because it seems to be the commonly used term. Personally, I would prefer the One, Itself. Having experienced It, myself directly, methinks I might know a little bit about it as NancyV has. Couldn't help but notice that you chose to cherry pick from my post and totally ignored my question!

I don't have beliefs or opinions regarding the ONE. I can only state from my experiences. We all experience differently regarding the One, Itself. I find it more then coincidence that NancyV's experiences, as well as others I have spoken with all point to the same thing. I said what I said because that's what my experiences have shown me without question. Make of it what you will.

I have said enough as this is off topic to Omni"s thread. My apologies to Omni!




[/QUOTE]
Well no problem Sebastion, dear brother, no need to be sorry...if we differ :)

You don't however need to express your disagreement in a way which seems like you are the teacher and the only one who is correct and are now marking my exam paper :)

And why is it patently ridiculous...just because you say so?

You are separating "earth/human terms" from NON "earth/human terms"...which you call "source"...which is a fatal error...the only difference is the level and state of vibration you'r in...there is no such thing called 'source' as you describe it in my understanding.

I cannot even begin to debate with you because quite frankly our understanding is so different that there is no place to begin.
My suggestion to you is...say what you want to say but try not have such a condescending attitude...when I replied to Nancy's post I started off and stated my disagreement...after which I tried to give my reason and explanation...you can accept it or reject it...but don't disagree with me and start accusing me of patent ridiculousness and wasting time.

Then you make a closing profound statement, as if it answers everything, and say...."Source just IS"

Well Sebastion I do not agree with your belief because I have experienced it differently, and if there is differences in beliefs, then either you should accept this as been part of your 'sources' plan...or you could wonder whether there is a side of life called truth which you might not be able to comprehend or even understand yet.

I cannot see any place where I stated that this was to be believed beyond any other view...but you are saying to me that I should not be so ridiculous that I could actually present such a stupid hypothesis.

Take care and much love
Ray[/QUOTE]

[Finefeather]

Please tell me how one can apply "time" to something which has always been, IS and ever shall be?
Here is my answer to this question:

You might have come across the term cycles in many philosophies...This Cosmos in which we are manifest follows the same rules of law...everything has a cycle.
This Cosmos had a beginning and will have an end...the fact that you cannot grasp this concept does not mean it does not apply...
Anything with a beginning and an end has duration and that is what we have called time.

If you study ancient writings you will also find that this is not the only Cosmos in the chaos of primordial matter...there are many.

[Sebastion]

I never used the word "cosmos", nor was I speaking about cosmos. You can misunderstand and wordsmith and condescend all you wish Ray but it all amounts to something less than nothing. So be my guest and continue to have at it, by yourself!






Please tell me how one can apply "time" to something which has always been, IS and ever shall be?
Here is my answer to this question:

You might have come across the term cycles in many philosophies...This Cosmos in which we are manifest follows the same rules of law...everything has a cycle.
This Cosmos had a beginning and will have an end...the fact that you cannot grasp this concept does not mean it does not apply...
Anything with a beginning and an end has duration and that is what we have called time.

If you study ancient writings you will also find that this is not the only Cosmos in the chaos of primordial matter...there are many.

[NancyV]

Sorry Ray, but I disagree completely regarding timelessness. You are attempting to use earth/human terms regarding time and applying it to Source, Itself. That in itself is patently ridiculous. Please tell me how one can apply "time" to something which has always been, IS and ever shall be? It's a waste of energy. Time is a construct, an idea and has no meaning in regards to Source, as Source is timeless. Source just IS.

Well no problem Sebastion, dear brother, no need to be sorry...if we differ :)

You don't however need to express your disagreement in a way which seems like you are the teacher and the only one who is correct and are now marking my exam paper :)

And why is it patently ridiculous...just because you say so?

You are separating "earth/human terms" from NON "earth/human terms"...which you call "source"...which is a fatal error...the only difference is the level and state of vibration you'r in...there is no such thing called 'source' as you describe it in my understanding.

I cannot even begin to debate with you because quite frankly our understanding is so different that there is no place to begin.
My suggestion to you is...say what you want to say but try not have such a condescending attitude...when I replied to Nancy's post I started off and stated my disagreement...after which I tried to give my reason and explanation...you can accept it or reject it...but don't disagree with me and start accusing me of patent ridiculousness and wasting time.

Then you make a closing profound statement, as if it answers everything, and say...."Source just IS"

Well Sebastion I do not agree with your belief because I have experienced it differently, and if there is differences in beliefs, then either you should accept this as been part of your 'sources' plan...or you could wonder whether there is a side of life called truth which you might not be able to comprehend or even understand yet.

I cannot see any place where I stated that this was to be believed beyond any other view...but you are saying to me that I should not be so ridiculous that I could actually present such a stupid hypothesis.

Take care and much love
Ray
I don't think Sebastion meant that YOU are ridiculous, but that attempting to compare human understandings of time to Source, timelessness and eternity is clearly ridiculous...and it is, although I might use the word humorous. I find it difficult to believe that you have been in higher vibrational dimensions if you still believe that timelessness does not exist. When those of us who have merged with Source say "Source just IS", we understand exactly what that means although the words seem simple and obvious. They ARE simple and obvious and any wordy expansion on that simple phrase only unnecessarily complicates its profound simplicity.

What I have learned in my years of study of religions and philosophies means almost nothing compared to my experiences of the journey to Source and travels along the way. Using words inevitably brings time into the conversation, since our human mind thinks, makes decisions and comes to believe in certain things within time. When I am in a timeless state of consciousness I am consciously Source. I do not need to have a "belief" in Source and certainly did not believe in such a concept until I had merged with it and become it.

I may have hoped that there was something that would make sense as far as a Creator or the Creation, but I had no proof of anything, just words from various religious or holy books and from different men and women who claimed to know. One could say that I was an agnostic, I did not know and I did not make any decisions on absolute truth. Once I began my experiences in the inner worlds/planes/dimensions I found that some of what was said was close to some things that I experienced and some was not, but it was all irrelevant once I had begun merging with many beings along the way.

I try to speak from a place of what I have experienced. What you have experienced is where you speak from. You seem to have some very set beliefs, which is fine. We all have completely free choice to believe or to pursue experience. We get to believe we have reached the apex of knowledge and understanding and that everyone else is wrong. We get to attempt to convert them to our beliefs.......it's all part of the ongoing duality games, although truly duality does not exist either, since we are all one at all "times". Only our minds still see us as separate, which must be fun or we wouldn't be doing this.

Now that I have merged with Source many many times, I still do not know from the view of my human mind our raison d'etre . But I do know what IS is....and we ARE, just as Source simply IS. Anyone is welcome to not understand, agree with or accept that and to have any beliefs about anything they choose to believe. Belief is how we create our limitations and reality.

[Finefeather]

I don't have beliefs or opinions regarding the ONE. I can only state from my experiences. We all experience differently regarding the One, Itself. I find it more then coincidence that NancyV's experiences, as well as others I have spoken with all point to the same thing. I said what I said because that's what my experiences have shown me without question. Make of it what you will.

Have you ever considered that what you have experienced is a self created illusion of Nirvana, experienced by many many people...including myself...and all the Indian Gurus who claim to have reached this when they actually have only reached a higher level of the emotional/astral world and it was so radically different that it was thought to be some high state of enlightenment when in fact it was not.

When I first experienced the state you are talking of I was over the moon and could not wait to tell everyone how enlightened I was, my great big ego was chomping at the bit and I never passed the opportunity to tell others...until one day I woke up from the illusion of my supposed greatness and realised, by intervention from a higher party, that I was not so great after all and was creating it all myself. Of course at first I kicked and screamed because how could I be so wrong...after all I was now enlightened...but as time went by and I got to grips with my arrogance I started to realise just how little I knew...and you know what? I started to gather truths quicker as I lost the ego, and today I realise just how ignorant I am.

The more you know the more you realise how ignorant you are...and when you can start to know this ignorance...you'r on the right track.

[Finefeather]

I never used the word "cosmos", nor was I speaking about cosmos.
Please could you tell me what you call the place in which we are manifest? what ever you call it...that is known as a Cosmos in my mind...
If you are going to want to put forward a reasonable argument, you will have to start explaining in a little more depth than just statements like...:'It IS'...what is 'it' you talk of?

[Finefeather]

When those of us who have merged with Source say "Source just IS", we understand exactly what that means although the words seem simple and obvious. They ARE simple and obvious and any wordy expansion on that simple phrase only unnecessarily complicates its profound simplicity.
Dear Nancy...It would be great if you would try your best to explain this simple and obvious statement..."Source just IS"...Just a few words would do...to extrapolate on it's profound simplicity...then we might be able to decide who in fact has been where in higher worlds.

Thank you.

[Catsquotl]

Have you ever considered that what you have experienced is a self created illusion of Nirvana, experienced by many many people...including myself...and all the Indian Gurus who claim to have reached this when they actually have only reached a higher level of the emotional/astral world and it was so radically different that it was thought to be some high state of enlightenment when in fact it was not.

When I first experienced the state you are talking of I was over the moon and could not wait to tell everyone how enlightened I was, my great big ego was chomping at the bit and I never passed the opportunity to tell others...until one day I woke up from the illusion of my supposed greatness and realised, by intervention from a higher party, that I was not so great after all and was creating it all myself. Of course at first I kicked and screamed because how could I be so wrong...after all I was now enlightened...but as time went by and I got to grips with my arrogance I started to realise just how little I knew...and you know what? I started to gather truths quicker as I lost the ego, and today I realise just how ignorant I am.

The more you know the more you realise how ignorant you are...and when you can start to know this ignorance...you'r on the right track.

So I am nowhere near enlightenment in the way I used to think it would be. but I do feel like we are creating our own illusion if you will.
What makes something a truth in your opinion?

The way is see it everything that is not now is not truth. I may have been true or it may become true someday. But if I am not experiencing it right now it is just a figment of my thought process clinging to past ideas or imagined futures. The clinging is true at that moment. so is the imagining. not the idea i am clinging to.

WIth Love
Eelco

[Finefeather]

So I am nowhere near enlightenment in the way I used to think it would be. but I do feel like we are creating our own illusion if you will.
What makes something a truth in your opinion?
I am not a super being so please forgive this rather inadequate attempt at answering your question...but I hope it will give you some idea of what I am thinking...words are difficult to describe some things.

In the physical world we have 5 senses to authenticate some physical phenomena...even with these, some are incapable of coming to the right answer because of bad eyesight, bad hearing, etc.

When we are incarnate in a body we also have the ability to feel emotionally and understand mentally...these can be largely subjective, because we read a lot...or objective, because of what we have experienced...but both depend on the persons knowledge and understanding of his/her past experiences.
We feel emotionally based on our desires and our wishes...we comprehend mentally based on our past knowledge.

Everything that we think of is based on past knowledge and experience...nothing can be thought of that we have not previously known...be it objectively or subjectively...we are useless without past information.

Just try this out:... Sit down anywhere and try to think of something you know nothing about...it's impossible...because if you don't know something how will you be able to think of it.

If we encounter something new, how do we react? We start an association session to make sense of it as best we can...and here is the crux of the story...:
We will reach a conclusion by using what we are familiar with and if we are unfamiliar with something which can allow us to come to some conclusion re this new encounter, then our imagination starts to take over and we immediately concoct up some reality which can best allow us to understand what it is we are encountering.

You can imagine a caveman encountering an Apple iPhone and then you should see where I am going here.

Because we each have limited...and different...knowledge, two people can easily conclude differently about the same thing encountered...this is the source or reason for the saying that “we create our own reality”.

Now even if we had 1000 people and these people have come to some agreement as to what some unknown thing is...it still does not mean that they have the correct answer.

So how can we know absolute truth?

Absolute truth is only possible when we are omniscient because then and only then do we know all the factors which are required to fully assess something...it could be the very last thing we experience that gives us the final answer to the correct understanding of something. In the meantime we form collective agreements as to what a thing is based on our collective current knowledge and experience.

As we gain more experiences by 100s of thousands of incarnations in the human kingdom...as well as the deep instinctive knowledge and experiences we have had from lower kingdoms...we slowly are able to get closer and closer to truth.

This past experience and knowledge is latent in everyone and when triggered by some encounter in the physical world, can recall the memories of the level of truth we were at previously...and this is why some people are more aware than others...they have recalled some knowledge from the past which allows them to immediately understand something better than another person.
Just because one person knows something which others do not, does not necessary mean he/she is more enlightened than them...because they may not have been able to recall or re-remember the past experience...if they have had it.

There are other reasons for higher knowledge, and they are...more incarnations as apposed to a younger 'soul' who has not yet had as many incarnation...or it could be a younger 'soul' who has taken a bit more notice of what goes on around during lives.

Some older 'souls' have been around for ages because they have not taken the trouble to learn and experience much in their many lives...and earth is the planet where most of these laggards have been placed into, in an attempt to allow them to grow consciously and thus move on to the next kingdom.

A final bit of trivia: Planet earth is the only planet in our solar system which has humans incarnating into organic bodies...all the other planets have life in the form of etherial beings...which is the lowest level world they involve into.

Take care
Ray

[Maunagarjana]

When those of us who have merged with Source say "Source just IS", we understand exactly what that means although the words seem simple and obvious. They ARE simple and obvious and any wordy expansion on that simple phrase only unnecessarily complicates its profound simplicity.
Dear Nancy...It would be great if you would try your best to explain this simple and obvious statement..."Source just IS"...Just a few words would do...to extrapolate on it's profound simplicity...then we might be able to decide who in fact has been where in higher worlds.

Thank you.

In regards to the quote "Source just IS", actually I think it's even beyond just is-ness. According to Buddha's description of nirvana, it is beyond being and non-being. You cannot say anything about it because any concept of it is to limit it. This is not just "another illusion". It is beyond cyclic existence (what the Buddha called Samsara). And beings who truly enter nirvana (not just as sightseers) do not come back. It's the end. The ceasing of being a finite being, the end of becoming. So if you went to source, you probably just got a glimpse of it, or something approaching the source. Both of you are still here now, aren't you? Could it be that you still have a lot of work to do before you are able to do more than just visit?

[NancyV]

When those of us who have merged with Source say "Source just IS", we understand exactly what that means although the words seem simple and obvious. They ARE simple and obvious and any wordy expansion on that simple phrase only unnecessarily complicates its profound simplicity.
Dear Nancy...It would be great if you would try your best to explain this simple and obvious statement..."Source just IS"...Just a few words would do...to extrapolate on it's profound simplicity...then we might be able to decide who in fact has been where in higher worlds.

Thank you.

In regards to the quote "Source just IS", actually I think it's even beyond just is-ness. According to Buddha's description of nirvana, it is beyond being and non-being. You cannot say anything about it because any concept of it is to limit it. This is not just "another illusion". It is beyond cyclic existence (what the Buddha called Samsara). And beings who truly enter nirvana (not just as sightseers) do not come back. It's the end. The ceasing of being a finite being, the end of becoming. So if you went to source, you probably just got a glimpse of it, or something approaching the source. Both of you are still here now, aren't you? Could it be that you still have a lot of work to do before you are able to do more than just visit?
That's kind of like saying that if you died and had an NDE then you weren't REALLY dead because you're back here now, so you would be refuting the experiences of everyone who has had one or more NDE's. Of course many people DO refute NDE experiencers. I had an NDE when my 2nd child was born and I died from loss of blood. I only know for sure that I was dead because I went somewhere else which was where we were all glowing orbs telepathically connected. But I came back. I still experienced what seemed like an eternity in that other place and I was in bliss for many days, laughing constantly. I came to on the way to the hospital and was saying NO NO I don't want to come back!! But it was also very funny and I knew I needed to be here....and here I am.

So now I am saying that I have merged with the ONE, the Source many many times and because it is written in some holy books that you don't return, some may think I only glimpsed the Source. Of course I can't prove anything nor does it matter to me what anyone else thinks. I think Sebastion would agree with me that when one merges with the ONE there is no doubt that you are merged, and yet it cannot be described in words. Buddha is right about that but he still said words about it. He is also correct that words limit it but it/we are unlimited.

I do not agree with the religions or philosophies that say that once you are merged with the ONE or enter into Samsara, that you cannot return. That is a limitation I do not accept. Most religions have some conclusions that I have found were not true for me. What I experienced is that the Creation is eternal. As long as the Creation is going on, which is eternally, we may enter into it.....into any time, any dimension, any species, anywhere.

In the Sikh practice I was involved with for 7 years, I broke most of their rules and suggestions for how to travel in the inner planes, as they call them. I found that most of their warnings were fear based and I cannot let fear control me even if I occasionally felt it when faced with demonic type beings and scary situations. They also promoted a hierarchical view of honoring the different "gods" of each dimension and we were taught how to defer to them. I did not do this because as soon as I had my first experience of being out of body I realized that it was all further attempts to control and manipulate. I do not like to be controlled by anyone or anything, including fear. The "gods" don't LIKE that attitude! (which made me laugh a lot) LOL...It took a lot of seemingly dangerous situations for me to finally overcome fear, but in the following 6 1/2 years after surrendering to love and letting go of fear, I never had a problem again with any being on/in any dimension. If they attacked me or tried to control me, I merged with them and we became "us" or a greater me.

Then I always returned to my body after being gone for an hour or 2 earth time. There are thousands and thousands of people who have had these experiences. Some describe them similarly to how I describe them, some have different experiences. I do agree with you that the ONE is even beyond "is-ness", but I guess we all have our favorite names and descriptions for it, whatever it is. I used to call it the IZ and the ALL and NONE.

While I appreciate Buddha's teachings I do not accept all of them for me. In my experience we each choose how we will relate to soul travel and merging with Source. No one is more powerful than another and there is not one rule for all. There are unlimited ways of reacting to these experiences if one returns to their body and does not stay in Samsara. Some decide to become hermits or teachers, some decide to write books, lecture and make money. Some decide that they now know everything and they want others to know their everything too, because they think they are right for everyone.

I happen to think that everyone is doing exactly what they have chosen to do or are fated or destined to do or be. This is because I know how powerful we are since we are all the ONE, in my view. So I am happily living my life with a husband I adore and I'm very much looking forward to dying and am thankful that I'm FINALLY getting old! LOL...

So NO, to be definite about my answer to whether it was a merge with or a glimpse of the ONE. It was a full on merge well over 100 times. There were other times when I got very close to Source but did not merge. That was more like a glimpse. LOL.. If anyone chooses to attempt to invalidate or refute my experiences, it won't work, so they might as well save their breath. These experiences are not beliefs, they just are.

Could my interpretation of them be off? Sure! When interpreting things through the human mind and trying to say them in words, something gets lost, changed and limited. Yet some still want an explanation so we do the best we can with the limited form of communication we humans use. As soon as one leaves the body communication is non verbal. There can still be deception and ulterior motives during non verbal communication with some beings in lower dimensions, so I make it a habit to never believe any being, no matter how glowing and glorious. The only way you can be sure of their motives is by merging with them. Nothing is hidden during a merge.

Do I have to do a lot more "work" in order to not come back here but stay merged with Source? Nope. It doesn't matter if I am here or merged with the ONE because I AM eternally the ONE just as you are. It makes no difference to me where or when I am while I am consciously in a dimension of time. Also the notion that it has to be a lot of work and many lifetimes before one can merge with Source, is just so much misinformation as far as I'm concerned. If you believe them you will be limiting yourself. So it is our responsibility to either be personally empowered or we can allow someone else to tell us we aren't evolved enough or spiritual enough or smart enough to do something we want to or think we can do. If we believe we are limited we will be limited.

[Catsquotl]

Finefeather, Thank you for your effort to explain. I agree with you for a great deal. Especially how we built our truth from past experiences.
It is how i usualy explain channeling or inner contact/Rote transfer. A concept or idea translated by our brain into a symbolism that is useful for us.
Say the concept of travel which would translate in a trainride for some and a plane- or boatride for someone else. In both cases its not about the vehicle, but about the concept of travel.

In a deep meditation session early this year. 15 days of vipassana of which the last 72 hours non-stop. I experienced what some call a toutch of nibbana. A state in which there was no idea, to sense of time, no nothing really. Just silent awareness for some time followed by the realisation time had passed afterwards. I think that comes close to trying to think of something new. One can't and therefore no symbols to catch that experience emerge from the brain.

Now as to where the symbolism comes from I hold a slightly different view. Where you seem to say (forgive me if i misunderstood) all the symbols come from our past or even past lifes. I don't blelieve in reincarnation as it is usualy understood. Me or I am a construct made up by the biology of this body. This biology however is able to remember its past existence as part of other biologies. Those flashes seem like my past life's. but are just imprints. Left by the consciousness that commanded these particles.

Does that make sense? As you say these concepts are difficult to describe, especially as english is not my native tongue.

Anyway I believe that the ego/person known as Eelco is as much a figment without any real substance as any idea is. It is consciousness trying to dwell on the past, or cling to the idea of a possible future. It is made up of past experiences and as such not to be found here and now.

The 5 senses are, But there is no one to experience wat the sense here and now. Only when i try to convey or understand what the F... I just experienced eelco comes into being as a tool to create the symbolism needed.

As far as i know parts of my biological make-up could have been a mineral, a plant or an animal. However that was not me.
Do i know this? Yes.
Do I experience it all the time? No not yet.

As someone working a full time job, providing for a wife and 6 children. That would be a monumental task. so I to fake my way through life thinking I am eelco most of the time.

WIth Love
Eelco
Who will try to explain better when asked. But can't seem to find the correct symbols right now.