Heavy Metal Toxicity

[Natalia]

Has anyone tried DMSA or any other chelating agents to help remove mercury and other heavy metals?

http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/mercury_elimination.htm

http://www.altmedrev.com/publications/5/3/264.pdf

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[lucidity]

Has anyone tried DMSA or any other chelating agents to help remove mercury and other heavy metals?

http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/mercury_elimination.htm

http://www.altmedrev.com/publications/5/3/264.pdf

LK6Za1SI1G0

Hi Amethyst,

According to Mercola, the current best practice detox method
is a combination of sauna, aerobic exercise and mega doses
of vitamin B3 (the flushing niacin variety).... oh, and charcoal tablets.
It's actually quite similar to the detox method that the scientologists
were/are advocating.

The idea goes like this... most of your toxins are locked up in your fat.
The way to get them out of your fat and excreted away ...
is to use exercise, hot temperatures and the 'fat mobilising' properties
of vitamin B3 to flush toxins into your bloodstream where they can
be filtered into your urine, into your ... err.. poo.. (hence the charcoal
tablets) and through your skin (hence the sauna).

This, apparently, is the detox regime that was used on the Gulf War
vetrans and on the Fukishima workers. The nice thing about this is, it
doesn't require any injections... and you can do it as much as you like.
Do it once a week and in a year,... you'll be as good as new.

See here:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/05/04/detoxification-program.aspx

be happy

lucidity :-)

PS.. you could also try:
- a gerson-esque green juice every day
- parsley and corriander (cilantro) in a green juice
- essiac tea
- coffee enemas
- cover your skin in olive oil and go for a nice long run.. then a nice hot bath or sauna.
- have your mercury fillings replaced with gold ones
- eat only organic, fresh-water farmed fish (to avoid the heavy metals)
- eat _nothing_ out of tins (bottles and jars only)
- ... perhaps all of the above.

did i miss anything ? ;-)

[Olaf]

Short answer: Yes.
You can use the search function in Project Avalon.

A longer Answer:
I have helped some people to get rid of their heavy metal burdens. I myself have a lot of lead in my body as a result from extensive soldering of electronic devices, which I did in my former profession and also as a hobby in my 20th.
I have had some clients with medium to strong burdens of several heavy metals. Those with high burdens normally show weakness.

Now, the bad think is: you do not see fast responses to chelating. One man reported that he felt better after an infusion with dmsa, but the toxicologic results from his urin showed that almost the same amount of those metals was chelated compared to oral intake that he has made four weeks earlier.

You need to get a lot of patience to remove heavy metals from the body. Many chelations are necessary. The time interval depends on the amount of heavy metals in the body. Usually you have to wait several weeks until next chelation. So the process takes years. Therefore, you will usually only notice slow improvements in health.

People with extremely high loads of heavy metals (usually lead) can proceed faster with their chelations. This is also necessary, because they are in mortal danger. Then progress also should be noted faster.

From 14 people that I have treated with DMSA almost all had higher values of lead, but in all cases mercury was only slightly below the target value, which is <2 µg/g Crea in urin. A new study from laboratory microtrace.de shows that with a continued number of chelations the measurable amount of individual heavy metals may rise significantly. So you will not see all of the burdens in the first DMSA provocation.

[Daozen]

Do you mean DMSO? I never tried it, but MSM (MethlySulfurMethane) is closely related, and a lot easier to manage. Holland and Barrett brand is OK, but distilled powder is better.

[Olaf]

According to Mercola, the current best practice detox method
is a combination of sauna, aerobic exercise and mega doses
of vitamin B3 (the flushing niacin variety).... oh, and charcoal tablets.
...

See here:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/05/04/detoxification-program.aspx


This is wrong. The mentioned paper only deals with the detoxification of organic toxins. It is not about heavy metals. I even do not find the word "metal" in the paper.

Unfortunately the human body has almost no mechanisms to get rid of heavy metals. That is the problem.

The endogenous substance alpha lipoic acid can mobilize heavy metals inside the body, but we have no excretory mechanism for alpha-lipoic acid, because it is needed in the body. Therefore taking alpha lipoic acid would be absolutely wrong, because it mobilizes heavy metals, then it looses them and so they might be deposited in other areas of the body, where they can cause even more damage. For example, in the brain, where even DMSA has little effect to remove it. So when having heavy metal burdens one should only take alpha lipoic acid in connection with DMSA, which grabs the heavy metal atoms and flushes them out.

There is little chance that small amounds of heavy metals are be excreted into bile liquid during normal detoxification. Partly bile liquid will be re- assimilated in the gut. This should be prevented. This task can be actually filled with coal and Chlorella. But both of them cannot mobilize or detoxify heavy metals from inside the body. To my knowledge Dr. Klinghardt has never presented any laboratory test results showing excretion of heavy metals in the urine after intake of Chlorella.

In my view, it is extremely dangerous to reduce weight, if a contamination with heavy metals is possible. The body cannot excrete them, but they will likely accumulate in other organs, eg in the brain.
I, myself had very bad results with a weight loss of 16 kg in the end of 2006. It triggered a kind of burn out during the year 2007 when I felt extremely weak, and in 2009 I got cancer. This was before I had started to deal with heavy metal detoxification and therapy of mitochondric dysfunction.

It is absolutely important to check for toxic burdens when a weight loss is planned and to take measures to support detoxification in the cells (mitochondria) and liver.
In this case one should apply what lucidity has recommended. You also should support your liver (take Milk thistle preparations and place a hot water bottle on the liver). If someone knows that he also has burdens of heavy metals he must take special means to deal with that (mostly a professional treatment with DMSA or DMPS and perhaps additional natural substances).

Of couse when you have no toxic burdens or when the appropriate protocoll is used, weight loss can give good benefits for your health.

[Swan]

Dr Gonzalez uses sodium alginate as a detoxifying agent according to this interview with Dr. Mercola: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/04/23/dr-nicholas-gonzalez-on-alternative-cancer-treatments.aspx


"We have a preparation that we put together and it's very effective... It's an algae and it chelates heavy metals and halides. I never use intravenous chelation; we just use sodium alginate."

Does anybody have any thoughts on this?

[Natalia]

Thank you Olaf, I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience. It seems so complicated and there are dangers to it, like you say. My friend who is a lot into natural health and studied it at college told me not to take Chlorella as it lets go of Mercury before the body can get rid of it and therefore leaving it free to do damage...so I stopped (only took it for a few weeks) something about it felt a bit wrong when I was taking it but I didn't know what or if it was just anxiety of taking something new...

I also have put on weight, does that mean that I have to stay fat!? lol

Sigh, this society and it's environmental toxins...unneeded...

[pyrangello]

How about a foot detox in the water with the electricity, had that done before , felt great after 2cd treatment.

[DeDukshyn]

 
 
Also, you may want to look into Modified Citrus Pectin as a heavy metal chelator. There have been some excellent studies that show its effectiveness ...







Modified Citrus Pectin as a Heavy Metal Chelator
Heavy metal toxicity is known to be an important factor in declining general health. Adult case reports,
one short study in healthy people and one small clinical study in young children have shown tremendous
effectiveness for MCP in reducing heavy metal toxicity including lead, mercury, arsenic and cadmium. Larger
clinical trials are required for greater conclusiveness, but results like heavy metal reductions by up to 560%
are mind-blowing.

In one study, healthy human subjects with no known heavy metal toxicities were given 15 g of MCP for 5-days
and 20 g on the sixth day. The amount of lead, arsenic and cadmium excreted in the urine was measured
each day. After Day 1, arsenic excretion increased by 130%. At Day 6, cadmium excretion had increased by
150%. Over the course, lead excretion had increased by 560%! The chelation is thought to be attributed to
the presence of “rhamnogalacturonan II,” which is found in MCP.

In 2007, it was reported that MCP helped reduce lead and mercury, toxic heavy metals, by 74% in five adult
patients. This heavy metal reduction was reported to have assisted their return to good health.
Another small pilot clinical study was then published in 2008 in children hospitalized for lead toxicity. Seven
children aged 5-12 years were given 15 g of MCP for a month. On average, serum lead levels were reduced
by an average of a whopping 161% with no adverse effects.


from here: http://www.aor.ca/products-page/chelation/mcp/#research_tab -- just provided for the info and research studies.

[Tesseract]

Need to be careful, EDTA is a famous chelating agent, but if you ingest lead and take EDTA, the new lead complex will travel to the brain..

[Olaf]

 
Modified Citrus Pectin as a Heavy Metal Chelator
In one study, healthy human subjects with no known heavy metal toxicities were given 15 g of MCP for 5-days and 20 g on the sixth day. The amount of lead, arsenic and cadmium excreted in the urine was measured each day. After Day 1, arsenic excretion increased by 130%. At Day 6, cadmium excretion had increased by 150%. Over the course, lead excretion had increased by 560%! The chelation is thought to be attributed to the presence of “rhamnogalacturonan II,” which is found in MCP.

from here: http://www.aor.ca/products-page/chelation/mcp/#research_tab -- just provided for the info and research studies.

Very interesting!
First I looked at the supplier page. There the statement is very blurry, because it says nothing about the abslolute amounts of heavy metals that were measured. One have to understand that the so called base level, wich is concentration of heavy metals in normal urin usually is very small when you have a chronic heavy metal burden. So in fact even a rising to 560% can be a small effect, compared to DMSA.

I found one of the original studies: The Effect of Modified Citrus Pectin on Urinary Excretion of Toxic Elements (2006) (http://www.sanopharm.com/documenten/MCP_EliazMCP_Urinary_Excretion_Heval_Metals_Phytoth.%20Res._2006.pdf)

At page 861 it has a table, showing the absolute amounts of heavy metals in urin that were measured on day 1 and 6.
To be able to compare it with what normally is given I had to do some calculations.
After taking DMSA most of the heavy metals are excreted in about four hours, whereas the maximum is at two hours. That is the time where normally the urin sample is taken.
In addition usually these values are converted to the concentration of the urine, which is determined by the contained amount of creatine. This is to ensure that the values are independent of how much someone has been drinking.

After some calculating here is my result:

Element Max. excretion per day At day Excretion per day with DMSA (typical)
arsenic 35,4 µg 6 4,8 µg
cadmium 0,87 µg 1 0,08 µg
lead 1,2 µg 6 10 µg
mercury 2,22 µg 6 3,7 µg

These are mean values. The DMSA values are estimations from a typical of my cases under the assumption that the daily dose is about twice the peak value that was measured in 2h urin.

So the effect of Modified Citrus Pectin on arsenic, cadmium and mercury indeed is magnificent, under the assumption that people were used who have average heavy metal burdens.
When chelating it is also important to take care that not so much of the metals get lost that your body needs: calcium, ferrum, kadmium, magnesium, zinkum, copper, cobalt, mangan, molybdan, selen.

There is another clinical study from China that explored the effect of MCP on lead blood levels of children: The role of modified citrus pectin as an effective chelator of lead in children hospitalized with toxic lead levels. (2008) (http://www.researchgate.net/publication/5236772_The_role_of_modified_citrus_pectin_as_an_effective_chelator_of_lead_in_children_hospitalized _with_toxic_lead_levels)
The summary sounds spectacular, but the reduction of the lead levels is not so spectacular in my view.

Blood serum and 24-hour urine excretion collection GFAAS analysis were performed on day 0, day 14, day 21, and day 28.
This study showed a dramatic decrease in blood serum levels of lead (P = .0016; 161% average change) and a dramatic increase in 24-hour urine collection (P = .0007; 132% average change).

By the way: I could not verify the statement of the 560% improvement that they make in the first paper. The numbers in their table are telling a much smaller effect.


The lab microtrace.de has published a comparison of DMSA and DMPS, basing on a huge amount of measurments. Blaurock-Busch DMSA – die sanfte und effektive orale Entgiftung, 2011 (http://www.amalgam-informationen.de/dokument/DMSA-Artikel-Entgiftung.pdf)


Compared with basal urin DMSA increases excreation of
Barium 286%
Copper 400%
Mercury 333%
Nickel 255%
Lead 1200% (!)
Titan 200%

[Daozen]

From my reading, it looks like there are a lit of people having a tough time with EDTA. I wouldn't try it myself. Citrus pectin looks interesting. I've always craved citrus fruits.

[Olaf]

Heavy Metal Detoxicification, Comparison of various substances (2014)

Here is a helpful comparison for the medical experts in the forum.
In various countries DMPS is only allowed to be applied by medical doctors.
DMPS has some allergic potential. DMSA has few allergic potential.


DMPS iv DMPS orally DMSA orally NaMgEDTA CaEDTA
250 mg 500 mg 500 mg iv 3g iv 1,9g

Antimon ,45 ,25 ,12 ,21 ,15
Arsenic 29 34 14 16 15
Lead 11 6 10 16 16
Cadmium ,4 ,35 ,25 1,2 1,1
Copper 640 405 50 40 20
Mercury 15 9,5 2,5 1,8 1,5

Calc 100 90 95 500cave! 430cave!
Zinc 2,5 1,8 1,6 19cave! 15cave!

Table: Average values of the excretion of various chelating substances


DMPS: strong: antimony !, arsenic, mercury !, lead, copper!
1ml/ 2min = 10 minutes iv
or orally (40% efficiency)
2h collected urine iv
orally: highest concentration in urine after 3 h

DMSA: strong: arsenic, lead
orally: highest concentration in urine after 3...3:45 h with DMSA 10 mg/kg
40% effective, while fasting only 25%, with additional fat intake 40%

EDTA: strong: kadmium, ferrum
1g/ h infusion time
collection time for urine = infusion time + 45 minutes
CAVE: causes strong loss of zincum and calcium

Source: Busch et al "Comparison of Chelating Agents DMPS, DMSA and EDTA for the Diagnosis and Treatment of Chronic Metal Exposure (http://www.microtraceminerals.com/fileadmin/uploads/pdf/en/Busch492013BJMMR6875_1.pdf)" British Journal of Medicine & Medical Research, 4(9): 1821-1835, 2014

[Natalia]

From my reading, it looks like there are a lit of people having a tough time with EDTA. I wouldn't try it myself. Citrus pectin looks interesting. I've always craved citrus fruits.

I'm wondering about more natural things first perhaps...I imagine that citrus fruits may have just a little effect?...

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[Daozen]

From my reading, it looks like there are a lit of people having a tough time with EDTA. I wouldn't try it myself. Citrus pectin looks interesting. I've always craved citrus fruits.

I'm wondering about more natural things first perhaps...I imagine that citrus fruits may have just a little effect?...

yOZo0-vC93I

In your position, I'd start an online food diary, and note down everything you eat and drink here on Avalon. Then you can focus, and see what you're doing. I spent a fair bit of money on supplements, but now I'm going back to herbs, and starting to feel more healthy every day.

I'd also read everything Dr Schulze wrote... It's difficult to avoid the basics.

[nenosema]

So, what you are looking for is pine needle juice made in distilled water? un heated only blended. It turns a beautiful green colour


Pine needles, contain much more vitamin C than is found in one lemon, just a handfull of them. take as much as you like. it's totally organic, like you're drinking in sunshine, after all they're trees ;) Distilled water which has a negative charge to it, as does rain, mist, snow, dew fog & fruit and vegetable waters, all of these are naturally distilled by nature. waterfalls too have negative charge which aefeccts the human organic creature in a good way when you sit by them.


These metals that we accumulate have a positive inorganic charge, so then when someone drinks the water (no it does not have to be chi pee) it will collect to it like a magnet all of the inorganic stuff and positively charged metals and junk in our system.
the same way charcoal does.

Natural has to be simple right?


Many people say to heat pine needles into a tea. Well you can do this but imo it destroy alot of the vitamin C this way. Although the other things contained within are less heat sensitive & still very healing/healthy.
So I just juice it like any other vegetable or fruit. room temp extraction basically. I had read somewhere that once you take the contents of the pine needles out and into to water & air that the vitamin c oxidizes quickly? although I can't seem to find that info right now. Drink it soon after you make it if you can.



if you want to know how distilled waters work listen to this,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_msWtSljFQw
my apologies for posting this again, this still is the best at describing what it does

this one talks about distilled waters& freeing the pineal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpbKuhxBr_w


This is some of the left over pine needles from yesterday. My brother who has type 1 diabetes has recently been drinking store bought distilled water & was going through some detox symptoms, flu like and pain in his back. I thought the vitamin c could help speed up and ease the process. it is all cleared up for now.
I made some and took pictures this morning


http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd397/otherwanderer/SAM_6069-2.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/otherwanderer/media/SAM_6069-2.jpg.html)
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd397/otherwanderer/SAM_6068.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/otherwanderer/media/SAM_6068.jpg.html)
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd397/otherwanderer/SAM_6076.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/otherwanderer/media/SAM_6076.jpg.html)
http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd397/otherwanderer/SAM_6084.jpg (http://s1217.photobucket.com/user/otherwanderer/media/SAM_6084.jpg.html)



Info about pine needles
http://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/3126/#discuss

[Czarek]

How can anyone be sure that they have a metal problem without doing any tests that would confirm such burden is my first thoufht? On the same page here when such a problem is confirmed, why wouldn't anyone want to measure the progress of their detox protocol? Your vessel is very unique. Your diet was unique. Your mother's body had a history too...

[Daozen]

Dr Mark Sircus knows a fair bit about heavy metal detox.

[desertrat46]

Great vid, I believe I have heavy metal poisoning, from my many fillings, still present. I do the Chlorella ( 1.8th tsp.) into 6 oz. juice once in a while, and don't feel anything though. I read about DSMA a little, its way stronger than Chlorella. My current dentist says all the mercury is gone out of fillings? All the dentists, still push fluoride, nothing changes, just horrific. I left my last dentist, because he butchered my tooth, which fell apart (cracked), then came porcelin crown, then came root canal, then came extraction ! This last dentist, had her Hygienist, clean (scrape), my teeth over excessively, that my tooth cracked! No wonder why I don't feel right. I believe every tooth was scraped too excessively! What can I do?

[Daozen]

The six doctors here are a good start:

https://medium.com/@Frodonomics2015/six-doctors-for-a-medical-revolution-6579c3960eee

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

You're going to see all kinds of comments saying the foot cleanse is bunk, but try it yourself and see if you feel a difference, negative ions are known to help many issues.

http://www.thelashop.com/3-modes-ionic-cleanse-detox-foot-bath-with-carry-case.html?gclid=CjwKEAiA4rujBRDD7IG_wOPytXkSJACTMkgaQwX4TP9ZpOS27pxruAMRvT0DJ2frC3nC_IHdjAF_ShoCgSXw _wcB

[happyexpat]

I agree foot cleanses are good. Also, just eating raw fruits and veggies is excellent for getting heavy metals out.
We started doing a specific type of homeopathy about 10 months ago, and for about 6 months had incredibly gross totally metallic smelling poops. I would definitely say the homeopathy got some out. I wouldn't do that without a professional, though.

[sigma6]

I think the foot cleanses work, ie. experienced immediate inflammation relief in one knee, unmistakable... I want to make my own plates and just a buy a battery charger, and I think I experienced the "metallic smelling poops" also unmistakable, using chlorella, while doing urine therapy, but I do it on and off because it so overpowering... (the treatment that is... :D )

[Lysaur]

A Don Croft Terminator Zapper works to pull toxins out of the body.

[Natalia]

Have you tried Zeolite?

I have bought a 400g jar of Zeoforce (which lasts about a month) and cannot afford to buy it again until I am getting more money in...but I figured, a month is better than nothing and can do quite an intense-ish detox in that time and then perhaps get something cheaper...I also got a good quality wheatgrass for a Christmas present from my family (good surprise) and that also will last a month...

I have a (skin) allergy to Nickel...maybe or maybe not inside...hopefully, levels will be reduced by this detox...(along with other heavy metals)...

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http://www.pukkaherbs.com/pukka-products/pukka-organic-wellbeing/juicy-wheat-grass/