Jesus married Mary Magdalene and had two children, lost gospel reveals

[Napping]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827310/Jesus-married-prostitute-Mary-Magdalene-two-children-lost-gospel-reveals.html

There's a significant number of threads on Jesus, so happy for this one to be merged if appropriate.

In a nutshell, a couple of researchers claim to have cracked the code of an ancient manuscript dating back to 500AD which has been collecting dust in the British library for several years. The sizeable manuscript which spans 26 chapters was initially disregarded by scholars as unremarkable, but a Professor from Toronto and an Israeli-Canadian film maker believe they have uncovered the true story of Jesus life, contradicting the original 4 gospel's version of events.

This has been an area I've really wanted to get stuck into (brought up catholic, but never could resonate with the chorus line). I vaguely remember Bill starting a thread about Jesus' story a while back. Would anyone be able to direct me to where to find it. (I'm being lazy).

For those of you who know their stuff, where does this fit in with the dead sea and nag hemmadi scrolls? Are there any concise documentories or books you could direct a novice like myself?

Thanks in advance guys.

Matt

[araucaria]

This has been an area I've really wanted to get stuck into (...) (I'm being lazy).

Make your mind up ;)

[Napping]

Summed up in a nutshell araucaria, thank you.

Back on topic, I've since found Bill's previous thread relating to all of this. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61859-The-real-Jesus-the-real-Mary-Gnosis-the-Archons-and-the-world-s-first-major-smear-campaign

It could well be another drip in the disclosure and dismantling of old paradigms. This has smothered the mainstream media over the past 24 hours.

[Frank V]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827310/Jesus-married-prostitute-Mary-Magdalene-two-children-lost-gospel-reveals.html


Now, I was raised a Catholic, but I'm not a Catholic anymore, and I have done some research of my own into this area. Mary Magdalene was indeed Yeshua's wife, and his primary apostle - much to the chagrin of Peter. She was also the mother of his three children - two girls and a boy, in that order. After Yeshua's death, she traveled to Europe in the company of her eldest daughter, Sara, and her brother in law, Joseph of Arimathea. As I understand it - but I could be wrong - Sara then stayed behind in the region currently known as the south of France, while Mary Magdalene and Joseph traveled on towards what is now the United Kingdom. Dan Brown wasn't too far off the mark when he wrote "The Da Vinci Code".

However, I must disagree with both the title of this thread and with the premise of the article that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute or that she would have been the prostitute who was saved by Yeshua from stoning, according to the four official gospels. The myth that this prostitute and Mary Magdalene would have been one and the same woman was created and propagated by the Roman Catholic Church, due to the fact that its two founders, Peter and Paul, were misogynists - Paul had never even known or even met Yeshua during his lifetime - and the intent was to rule out women from occupying any position in the Catholic Church, other than as nuns.

The Catholic Church has in the meantime - somewhere in the middle of the past decade - also already officially apologized for its age-long depiction of Mary Magdalene as a prostitute, and the truth of the matter is that Mary Magdalene was actually a very well-educated woman from a well-respected family. She was the woman of whom the four canonical gospels say that she dried Yeshua's feet with her hair after she had washed them, which was a clear sign of the fact that she was in love with him.

As for the Dead Sea scrolls, Yeshua was known to have spent some time with the people of Qum Ran (who wrote the scrolls) before he became a public figure.

[Olam]

Its very easy to say MM was a prostitute if you just follow the official script, but dig a bit and you will see what was not to be seen.
I recommend reading Lars Muhl's "The O Manuscript" which certainly enlightened my view on all of this.

[sunflower]

Napping, please ask Paul to remove the word "prostitute" from your thread title. It is misleading especially since research has pointed out that she was NOT.

[Becky]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827310/Jesus-married-prostitute-Mary-Magdalene-two-children-lost-gospel-reveals.html


Now, I was raised a Catholic, but I'm not a Catholic anymore, and I have done some research of my own into this area. Mary Magdalene was indeed Yeshua's wife, and his primary apostle - much to the chagrin of Peter. She was also the mother of his three children - two girls and a boy, in that order. After Yeshua's death, she traveled to Europe in the company of her eldest daughter, Sara, and her brother in law, Joseph of Arimathea. As I understand it - but I could be wrong - Sara then stayed behind in the region currently known as the south of France, while Mary Magdalene and Joseph traveled on towards what is now the United Kingdom. Dan Brown wasn't too far off the mark when he wrote "The Da Vinci Code".

However, I must disagree with both the title of this thread and with the premise of the article that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute or that she would have been the prostitute who was saved by Yeshua from stoning, according to the four official gospels. The myth that this prostitute and Mary Magdalene would have been one and the same woman was created and propagated by the Roman Catholic Church, due to the fact that its two founders, Peter and Paul, were misogynists - Paul had never even known or even met Yeshua during his lifetime - and the intent was to rule out women from occupying any position in the Catholic Church, other than as nuns.

The Catholic Church has in the meantime - somewhere in the middle of the past decade - also already officially apologized for its age-long depiction of Mary Magdalene as a prostitute, and the truth of the matter is that Mary Magdalene was actually a very well-educated woman from a well-respected family. She was the woman of whom the four canonical gospels say that she dried Yeshua's feet with her hair after she had washed them, which was a clear sign of the fact that she was in love with him.

As for the Dead Sea scrolls, Yeshua was known to have spent some time with the people of Qum Ran (who wrote the scrolls) before he became a public figure.

Yes I thought Mary had 2 daughters - I was surprised at the 2 son's part of the story...do you know both the daughters names Aragorn? Or the sons name?

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She wasn't a prostitute!

[ghostrider]

The Talmud of Immanuel is the actual account of the life of Immanuel , who they say was never called by the name Jesus ... He did survive the crucifixion , and then travel to India where he took a wife and had children ... He was known then as the traveling Hebrew ... the sixth prophet in the incarnation line of the seven prophets from the seven sisters ... He was tutored like all prophets by the plejaren/angels ... people will choose what to believe , it's up to you who's information you choose to follow , I choose to run from England and King James ...

[GK76]

Cool, first Star Wars gets 'the later years' treatment, now they are working on The Bible: Next Generation. ;)

I'd like to see the entire translated script, as it stands it makes little sense in its true context, or shall we expect 2 small sun/moon hybrids to form soon? Although Mrs Christ (LOL) did get around a bit, never stayed in the house for more than 2.5 days, can we be sure who the father is? And I'm not attacking her as Jesus also got around, but he took his time and was the light and sol of the party.

I'll just sneak away...

Additional bit: I suspect they'll find the kids are twins, or at least have strangely recognisable names.

[Frank V]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827310/Jesus-married-prostitute-Mary-Magdalene-two-children-lost-gospel-reveals.html


Now, I was raised a Catholic, but I'm not a Catholic anymore, and I have done some research of my own into this area. Mary Magdalene was indeed Yeshua's wife, and his primary apostle - much to the chagrin of Peter. She was also the mother of his three children - two girls and a boy, in that order. After Yeshua's death, she traveled to Europe in the company of her eldest daughter, Sara, and her brother in law, Joseph of Arimathea. As I understand it - but I could be wrong - Sara then stayed behind in the region currently known as the south of France, while Mary Magdalene and Joseph traveled on towards what is now the United Kingdom. Dan Brown wasn't too far off the mark when he wrote "The Da Vinci Code".

However, I must disagree with both the title of this thread and with the premise of the article that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute or that she would have been the prostitute who was saved by Yeshua from stoning, according to the four official gospels. The myth that this prostitute and Mary Magdalene would have been one and the same woman was created and propagated by the Roman Catholic Church, due to the fact that its two founders, Peter and Paul, were misogynists - Paul had never even known or even met Yeshua during his lifetime - and the intent was to rule out women from occupying any position in the Catholic Church, other than as nuns.

The Catholic Church has in the meantime - somewhere in the middle of the past decade - also already officially apologized for its age-long depiction of Mary Magdalene as a prostitute, and the truth of the matter is that Mary Magdalene was actually a very well-educated woman from a well-respected family. She was the woman of whom the four canonical gospels say that she dried Yeshua's feet with her hair after she had washed them, which was a clear sign of the fact that she was in love with him.

As for the Dead Sea scrolls, Yeshua was known to have spent some time with the people of Qum Ran (who wrote the scrolls) before he became a public figure.

Yes I thought Mary had 2 daughters - I was surprised at the 2 son's part of the story...do you know both the daughters names Aragorn? Or the sons name?



Two daughters, one son. The eldest daughter's name was Sara, but I'm afraid I've forgotten the name of the second daughter. The son was called Seth, after Adam and Eve's proverbial third son - Adam and Eve have never really existed, of course.

Joseph of Arimathea, who traveled to Europe with Mary Magdalene and Sara, was not Yeshua's son, but his younger brother. I'm not sure anymore whether Yeshua had five brothers or whether he was one of five children.





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She wasn't a prostitute!

Indeed not. She was a well-respected and well-educated woman, and she was Yeshua's Prime Apostle, above and before all others, but Peter couldn't stand the fact that he had to answer to a woman. In his eyes, women were less worthy than a rogue dog - regardless of the fact that he himself was actually married.

Paul himself - as I stated - had never even known Yeshua, because he was initially a Jewish Roman (named Saul) who hunted down Christians, and he converted to Christianity after allegedly having heard Yeshua's voice saying to him "Saul, why are you doing this to me?". He then teamed up with Peter and the two of them created what is now known as the Roman Catholic Church.

The fact that Paul/Saul was a Roman citizen was why he was beheaded with a sword, whereas Peter was crucified upside down. And the latter is in turn why Satanists use an upside down crucifix as their symbol.

[ThePythonicCow]

However, I must disagree with both the title of this thread and with the premise of the article that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute


Its very easy to say MM was a prostitute if you just follow the official script, but dig a bit and you will see what was not to be seen.


Napping, please ask Paul to remove the word "prostitute" from your thread title. It is misleading especially since research has pointed out that she was NOT.


However, I must disagree with both the title of this thread and with the premise of the article that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute

Good points -- the word "prostitute" is now removed from this thread's title :).

[Bill Ryan]

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Here's Simcha Jacobovici, who helped translate the new text:

http://projectavalon.net/Mariamne_the_Master.mov

4 minutes... do watch. :)

One thing he very probably got wrong was the origin of her name 'Magdalene'. It doesn't seem to have come from Magdala, the fishing village (which many scholars now think did not actually exist at that time) — but from the Aramaic 'Magdala', which means ELEGANT, GREAT or TOWER.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdala

Like... "Mary, the Great Tower of Strength".

[Bill Ryan]

Here's the entire article:

Is this proof Jesus married and had two sons? Ancient manuscript said to be 'lost gospel' with a sensational twist

• New book 'The Lost Gospel' claims Mary Magdalene was original Virgin Mary
• It is based on manuscript found in British Library dating back 1,450 years
• Professor Barrie Wilson and writer Simcha Jacobovici translated text
• They claim there was an assassination attempt on Mary's two children
• Church of England has dismissed claims comparing it to Dan Brown's work


Did Jesus Christ marry Mary Magdalene and have children with her? Surely, you’re thinking, that’s the kind of sensationalist mumbo-jumbo you find only in the pages of fiction.

In fact, The Da Vinci Code, Dan Brown’s 2003 best-selling thriller, was hinged on that very premise: a secret bloodline had sprung from the union between Jesus and Mary.

But now the authors of a new book, The Lost Gospel, claim to have unearthed evidence of a manuscript which tells the story of Jesus’s two sons and his marriage to Mary, one of his closest followers, who was at his crucifixion, burial and the discovery of his empty tomb.

Of course, there have been various discoveries of ‘new’ gospels over the years and allegations about a romantic relationship between Jesus and Mary Magdalene have persisted for centuries.

Indeed, they have frequently been explored in popular culture. For example, in the Fifties, the book The Last Temptation Of Christ suggested that the pair married after Jesus was taken down from the cross. Martin Scorsese turned the idea into a film of the same name in 1988.

However, this new book focuses on a story to be found in a manuscript dating back to 570 AD and written in Syriac — a Middle Eastern literary language used between the 4th and 8th centuries and related to Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus.

Written on vellum — treated animal skin — it had been in the archives of the British Library for about 20 years, where it was put after the British Museum had originally bought it in 1847 from a dealer who said he had obtained it from the ancient St Macarius Monastery in Egypt.

For the past 160 years, the document has been studied by a few scholars but has been considered pretty unremarkable.

But then Simcha Jacobovici, an Israeli-Canadian film-maker, and Barrie Wilson, a professor of religious studies in Toronto, took a look. After six years of study, they are convinced they’ve uncovered a missing fifth gospel — to add to the four gospels, which tell the story of the life of Christ and are said to have been written by the evangelists Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, in the 1st century AD.

If true, this would make it the greatest revelation into the life of Jesus in nearly 2,000 years. Jacobovici claims the manuscript, which is 29 chapters long, is a 6th century copy of another 1st-century gospel and casts parts of the Bible in a very different light.
Later this week, he will present his findings at a conference hosted by the British Library.

Like the fictional The Da Vinci Code, which had its hero scouring works of art for secret, religious messages, the document is in code. According to Jacobovici and Wilson, it tells of Jesus’s marriage through the story of the Old Testament character Joseph and his wife Aseneth.

Jacobovici decided to look more deeply into Joseph and Aseneth, when he compared their story with other Old Testament tales.

In order to test the British Library documents, the researchers used hi-tech digital imaging to photograph them 13 times. They then got the manuscript translated for the first time from Syriac into English.

There have been other, later, versions of the Joseph and Aseneth story, written in Latin and Greek, which have been preserved in monasteries. But by returning to the ancient Syriac, Wilson and Jacobovici say it was possible to read the text as it was intended and to decode the hidden story.

Central to their claim is that Joseph was actually Jesus — and that Aseneth was actually Mary Magdalene.

The new translation, according to Jacobovici and Wilson, records that the Pharaoh of Egypt officiated at the wedding between the couple, saying to Aseneth: ‘Blessed are you by the Lord God of Joseph, because he is the first-born of God, and you will be called the Daughter of God Most High and the bride of Joseph now and for ever.’

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/09/1415575452004_wps_36_British_Library_Manuscrip.jpg
Gospel truth? The manuscript dating back to 570 AD (above) is written in Syriac — a Middle Eastern literary language used between the 4th and 8th centuries and related to Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus

After a seven-day wedding feast, the text is said to read: ‘Joseph had intercourse with Aseneth... And Aseneth conceived from Joseph and gave birth to Manasseh and his brother Ephraim in Joseph’s house.’

And so, could centuries of Christian teaching be wrong and that Jesus was a husband and father?

There are many, many more pieces of the jigsaw to be put together before this can be proved conclusively.

The theory is based on the claims that this ‘lost’ gospel and the ‘encrypted’ story of Jesus’s marriage was the work of a group of persecuted Christians. It apparently disappeared from public view around 325 AD.

It was at the time that the then Roman emperor Constantine — the first Christian emperor — was said to have ordered all other gospels to be destroyed, leaving only Matthew, Mark, Luke and John to tell Jesus’s story because their version fitted with Constantine’s view of Christianity.

‘Since then, people have found bits and pieces of those other [destroyed] gospels,’ says Jacobovici. ‘They usually come up through the antiquities market and they’re attacked as forgeries. Or they’re just a few lines.’

But the British Library manuscript, he says, ‘is a full-blown gospel’.

He and his colleague Wilson point to several clues that they say give away its true meaning. Principally, the story about Joseph has little connection with other Old Testament stories about a man who is best-known for the tale of his murderous brothers, which inspired the popular musical Joseph And The Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat.

What’s more, Joseph is often seen in early Syriac Christianity as a symbol of Jesus. The manuscript calls Joseph — like Jesus — the son of God.

At one point in the British Library manuscript, an angel-like figure marks a piece of honeycomb in blood with the sign of the cross. When Aseneth — purportedly the Mary Magdalene figure — eats a piece of honeycomb, the angel tells her: ‘So now you have eaten the bread of life and drunk the cup of life.’

The parallels with Christian Holy Communion, according to Jacobovici, means that this is a ‘Christian text’.

The document is also preceded by a covering letter, written in the 6th century by the man who translated the document from its original Greek into Syriac.

It says the document has an ‘inner meaning’ about ‘our Lord, our God, the Word’.

But just at the point when it seems as if the text’s hidden inner meaning is about to be disclosed, there is a big tear in the manuscript — suggesting someone deliberately censored the revelation that was to follow.

‘There is a cut across the page, right through a line of Syriac writing,’ Jacobovici and Wilson say. ‘This indicates that the section is missing, not because of deterioration but because of censorship.’

While some academics agree that it is possible that others gospels — recounting Jesus’s marriage — may have existed but since been lost, others are adamant that the idea is a complete nonsense.

History is littered with such debates.

In 1213, for example, a chronicle recorded that the inhabitants of Béziers, in southern France, had been burned alive four years earlier for ‘their scandalous assertion that Mary Magdalene and Christ were lovers’. A different story — that Mary was a prostitute — was proposed by scholars who merged her identity with the unnamed sinner who anoints Jesus’s feet in Luke’s gospel. However, this interpretation has almost universally been discounted.

Just two years ago, Harvard professor Karen L. King declared that she’d found a papyrus fragment — thought to be from Egypt — called The Gospel Of Jesus’s Wife. In it, there were four words, written in Coptic (an Egyptian language), saying: ‘Jesus said to them, “My wife...” ’

Jacobovici believes that his ‘lost gospel’ supports Professor King’s studies.
He is also convinced the story of Jesus’s marriage is already incorporated into four gospels in the New Testament.

He says: ‘Jesus is called a “rabbi” in the gospels. And a rabbi, to this day, in order to have a congregation and a ministry, has to be married. If he’s going to lead a congregation, he’s got to be a model for that congregation. In the first century, you reach manhood — you get married.’

And therefore, he insists, there can be ‘no question’ that, even in the established gospels, Jesus must have a wife.

To emphasise his belief that Mary of Magdalene was Jesus’s wife, he describes her decision to visit his body on the Sunday after the Crucifixion. ‘The gospels told us why she went there — to wash and anoint his body. She’s just a follower and yet she’s going to unwrap his naked body? Women do not wash rabbis or male bodies. Only males do it — unless you are the man’s wife.’

Equally intriguingly, Jacobovici and Wilson claim there was a plot to kill Jesus by a love rival 13 years before the Crucifixion.

They say that the manuscript says the Pharaoh’s son wanted to marry Aseneth and planned to kill Joseph and their children, but was foiled by Joseph’s brothers. Jacobovici identifies the man as Roman emperor Tiberius’s adopted son Germanicus, who was in Galilee when Jesus was there.

This rewriting of the greatest story ever told has, understandably, led the publisher to compare the book by Jacobovici and Wilson to the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the ancient Biblical papyri found in caves in the West Bank which contain passages from the Old Testament.

‘If you look at the cumulative evidence for Jesus’s marriage, it’s getting overwhelming,’ says Jacobovici. ‘This new discovery is probably the most important piece.

‘Its provenance is known, sitting in the British Library all these years. It’s not crazy to say it’s a copy of a work from the first century — many scholars say it is. And it’s not nuts to say it’s Christian — as many scholars have said.’

Not surprisingly, the vast majority of Christian historians are not convinced.

Typical is Diarmaid MacCulloch, professor of the history of the church at Oxford University. He says the ‘lost gospel’ claims sound ‘like the deepest bilge’, adding: ‘I’m very surprised that the British Library gives these authors houseroom.’

As for the British Library itself, staff have refused to endorse the new book.

Undaunted, Simcha Jacobovici and Barrie Wilson insist: ‘The only way there is no evidence is if you keep ignoring the evidence.’

But they still have a huge amount of convincing to do — particularly to the Church of England which naturally scoffs at the claims, dismissing them as closer to popular fiction and sharing more with The Da Vinci Code than the historical records of Matthew, Mark, Luke or John.

The Lost Gospel by Simcha Jacobovici and Barrie Wilson is published by Pegasus Books.

[onawah]

I recommend reading the work of the late Sir Lawrence Gardner, though using discernment.
David Icke said Gardner was a Reptilian, which he certainly may have been, but I still think there is a good deal of truth in his books.
Why that is could make for an interesting discussion.
http://www.graal.co.uk/
http://www.karenlyster.com/body_bookish.html

[SilentFeathers]

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[PurpleLama]

Gospel of the Holy Twelve — Translated from the original Aramaic by Rev. G.J.R. Ouseley

http://www.spiritual-minds.com/religion/Gnosticts/gospel%20of%20the%20holy%20twelveL.pdf (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=E_FgVI_oL5KNyATcl4KoBg&url=http://www.spiritual-minds.com/religion/Gnosticts/gospel%2520of%2520the%2520holy%2520twelveL.pdf&ved=0CBwQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNFvdhL6PbsL9GxMf_0Z8sM9Exb1gQ&sig2=pFbjVbPJFeHFir1DY4j-eQ)

[Becky]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827310/Jesus-married-prostitute-Mary-Magdalene-two-children-lost-gospel-reveals.html


Now, I was raised a Catholic, but I'm not a Catholic anymore, and I have done some research of my own into this area. Mary Magdalene was indeed Yeshua's wife, and his primary apostle - much to the chagrin of Peter. She was also the mother of his three children - two girls and a boy, in that order. After Yeshua's death, she traveled to Europe in the company of her eldest daughter, Sara, and her brother in law, Joseph of Arimathea. As I understand it - but I could be wrong - Sara then stayed behind in the region currently known as the south of France, while Mary Magdalene and Joseph traveled on towards what is now the United Kingdom. Dan Brown wasn't too far off the mark when he wrote "The Da Vinci Code".

However, I must disagree with both the title of this thread and with the premise of the article that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute or that she would have been the prostitute who was saved by Yeshua from stoning, according to the four official gospels. The myth that this prostitute and Mary Magdalene would have been one and the same woman was created and propagated by the Roman Catholic Church, due to the fact that its two founders, Peter and Paul, were misogynists - Paul had never even known or even met Yeshua during his lifetime - and the intent was to rule out women from occupying any position in the Catholic Church, other than as nuns.

The Catholic Church has in the meantime - somewhere in the middle of the past decade - also already officially apologized for its age-long depiction of Mary Magdalene as a prostitute, and the truth of the matter is that Mary Magdalene was actually a very well-educated woman from a well-respected family. She was the woman of whom the four canonical gospels say that she dried Yeshua's feet with her hair after she had washed them, which was a clear sign of the fact that she was in love with him.

As for the Dead Sea scrolls, Yeshua was known to have spent some time with the people of Qum Ran (who wrote the scrolls) before he became a public figure.

Joseph of Aramathea was Yeshua's Uncle - his mother Mary's brother. So Joseph would have been Sara's great uncle. Joseph of Aramathea was an extremely wealthy man who transported tin from Cornwall around the world in his fleet of ships. I think that Yeshua's mother Mary (and her brother Joseph) was half Cornish - her father was Jewish, but their mother was fair - strawberry blond hair and blue eyes - a real beauty. Mary mostly had this colouring too, as did Yeshua, but a bit darker and his eyes were more greeny. Yeshua may well have visited Glastonbury with his uncle during his travels with his uncle when he was a teenager, after he finished studying in Qumran with the Essenes.
I've been to the top of Glastonbury Tor when the Somerset levels have been flooded and you can really see and get a feel for how the sea came right up to Glastonbury back in those times 2000 years ago. It's really quite eerie.

[Becky]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827310/Jesus-married-prostitute-Mary-Magdalene-two-children-lost-gospel-reveals.html


Two daughters, one son. The eldest daughter's name was Sara, but I'm afraid I've forgotten the name of the second daughter. The son was called Seth, after Adam and Eve's proverbial third son - Adam and Eve have never really existed, of course.



Lol, tell that to Simon Parkes! He has many clear memories of being The Adam.

Why would Yeshua and Maria name their son after Adam and Eve's son, if Adam, Eve and their third son Seth didn't really exist? Did Cain and Abel not exist also?
Sorry Aragorn, I'm not trying to be challenging at all, just questioning in an interested way.
All the best :-)
Becky

[Eric J (Viking)]

Some info here with regard to the scrolls found my Billy and Rashid

http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/bellringers_corner/vital_articles/news.php?q=1283888004

Also the Phoenix Journels almost identical here...Bills friend George had a helping hand with many of the Journels..

Journel number 2

http://www.fourwinds10.net/journals/J1-25.html#J002

Viking

[Chester]

Its very easy to say MM was a prostitute if you just follow the official script, but dig a bit and you will see what was not to be seen.
I recommend reading Lars Muhl's "The O Manuscript" which certainly enlightened my view on all of this.

Not to Olam but to all...

even in the Holy Babble, there is not one single statement that said MM was a prostitute. That conclusion was derived by the self appointed interpreters of the books of their own making anyways.

Even if she had been, so what? I mean seriously... so what?

EDITED the rest of my post out - it might unintentionally derail.

[Milneman]

So very simple question, one I feel relevant, and one in which I'd like you to signify your positive answer by clicking the "thank you" button on this post.

How many of you who have posted to this thread have read the entire Bible? Regardless of translation, regardless of inclusion or exclusion of Apocrypha. If you have read the entire book from start to finish, please click *thanks* and I'll take it on your word you're not fibbing.

Tiddly-pom. ;)

[ghostrider]

So very simple question, one I feel relevant, and one in which I'd like you to signify your positive answer by clicking the "thank you" button on this post.

How many of you who have posted to this thread have read the entire Bible? Regardless of translation, regardless of inclusion or exclusion of Apocrypha. If you have read the entire book from start to finish, please click *thanks* and I'll take it on your word you're not fibbing.

Tiddly-pom. ;)

read it all the way through five times in five years , and even put the words back into the original language ... the writings come from teaching that dates back 12 billion years to the Nokodemjon ... the English version was corrupted as all the prophets teaching have been corrupted over the last 9,000 years ... the book of OM and the Goblet of Truth and the final teachings without error , with the help of the digital age , the teaching is preserved ... thanks Edward , the guardian of the treasure , the seventh and final prophet of the line of incarnations of all the prophets , Enoch ,Isaiah , Elijah, Jeremiah ,Immanuel , Muhammad, Beam , the same spirit in different bodies over many epochs , the same teaching that got corrupted until Edward ... Billy Edward Albert Meier ... check out a 8,000 year old document in the old Lyrian language where Enoch fortells of Edwards coming ... http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/File:8000-Year-Old_Lyran_Document.jpg

[gripreaper]

Aragorn and Becky’s take on the story is pretty close to accurate. I’ll tell it as I remember it.

Magdalene was born and raised in Bethlehem, and was sent to the Essene community of Mount Carmel when she was about 12 to become initiated in the higher Siddhis. Yeshua lived at Carmel and had brief exposure to Magdalene at that time before he went to India to learn under Babaji. You know all those lost years of Yeshua's life in the bible? Well, they weren’t lost; they were spent in initiation both in Egypt and in India. Yeshua had his first consummate relationship in India, and I believe his two sons were from this union. Sarah was the only child of Yeshua and Magdalene. At any rate, I’m getting a bit ahead of the story.

Yeshua married Magdalene, and is highlighted in the bible about the story of the ten virgin’s at the wedding, five of them forgetting to bring enough oil for their lamps and were subsequently turned away. This is the wedding where Yeshua turns water into wine. Yes, Constantine left that part out of the story.

At the last supper, the emotion was so thick in the room, the collective emotion of all that man had gone through up until that time, all of mans history was laid bare in all the hearts of those who were present, that the catharsis was so intense it rippled through every soul on the planet and seeded the heart energy forever . Mary washed Yeshua’s feet with her tears and wiped them clean with her hair. This is true. The love of Yeshua and Magdalene’s galactic twin flame union of the fifth cause, was palatable beyond human comprehension. When Yeshua and Magdalene retired for the last night they would be together, they were glowing and they light conceived Sarah.

Joseph of Aramathea did have a fleet of ships and they sailed all around the Mediterranean, and he was also revered by Rome, so he played both sides. He got permission to purchase the tomb and to take Yeshua’s unanimated body and bury him, once Rome was convinced Yeshua had expired. Well, the BA body was suspended, but Yeshua’s KA body, his etheric, was very much animated, vibrant and alive.

There were twelve light conceived couples present in the tomb holding the energy for Yeshua and Magdalene, and through sound and light, we brought Yeshua’s BA body back to animation, while anointing his wounds with oil. This vigil went on day and night for over 72 hours. When Magdalene emerged from the tomb she proclaimed that Yeshua had risen.

Several months later, Joseph of Aramathea took one of his ships, and Magdalene and Sarah went to the Pyrenees Mountains in France. As Sarah came of age, Magdalene did go to Glastonbury where she took her last breath and ascended. Yeshua went to India where he took his last breath.

Of course there is much more to the story, but I hope this helps set the tone and the context.

[update]

During my trip to Egypt in 2008, I took the path of the initiate along the Nile. Just as an observation, the Isis (soulstream of Mary Magdalene) temple on the island of Philae was the only temple that had NOT been defaced in any way and is held in all its purity, love and strength.

http://www.shedexpedition.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Philae-front-view.jpg

http://www.shedexpedition.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/philae-island.jpg

The feminine aspect the Essenes knew so well is very much safe and preserved and in its full capacity, ready to emerge.

[Chester]

After reading gripreaper's post I had to post this comment... of all archetypes to bring forth -

Its all about the Divine Feminine/Sophia (Wisdom) and the Christ (Light/Knowledge) but what do I know anyways?

Mary Magdalene and Jesus did this (IMO).

Many have done this (IMO).

Many here now do this (IMO).

Imagine our world if more and more of us strove to do this?

[Frank V]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2827310/Jesus-married-prostitute-Mary-Magdalene-two-children-lost-gospel-reveals.html


Two daughters, one son. The eldest daughter's name was Sara, but I'm afraid I've forgotten the name of the second daughter. The son was called Seth, after Adam and Eve's proverbial third son - Adam and Eve have never really existed, of course.



Lol, tell that to Simon Parkes! He has many clear memories of being The Adam.

Well, what are memories, really, and are they even memories at all?

I think that Simon's experience at that point was one where he was either being manipulated mentally, or where he may have misinterpreted his own feelings when he was shown those images. It is often difficult for a true empath to tell themselves apart from someone else, and I know that from experience.

The Biblical story of Adam and Eve is either way clearly metaphorical, but that metaphor is so ingenious and detailed that most people - even scholars - don't even grasp all of its meaning.



Why would Yeshua and Maria name their son after Adam and Eve's son, if Adam, Eve and their third son Seth didn't really exist? Did Cain and Abel not exist also?

Indeed, Cain and Abel did not exist either, or at least, not in that context. It is possible that a story about an actual fraternal homicide was woven into Genesis (like so many other stories were), but there is a symbolism there, which also ties in with why Yeshua and Mary Magdalene would have named their son Seth.

See, all throughout the Old Testament, there is a recurring theme where the eldest of two sons loses in some way from the younger one. Abel and Cain, Moses and Aaron, Esau and Isaak, and so on. Even the (false) story of Lucifer's fall: Lucifer was allegedly the first of all angels, but he fell from grace and his place as leader of God's army was taken over by Michael.

In the Genesis story, Abel was the good son, who was murdered by his younger brother Cain. So Abel lost from Cain, but given that Cain was a murderer, he was no longer "within grace" and thus unsuitable as a progenitor for all of humanity. That's why Adam and Eve had to have a third son later, Seth, who would be said progenitor, and specifically of the people of Israel. Seth is therefore the symbol of "a new beginning", "a new hope", and as such, it would make sense that Yeshua called his son Seth if this son was to carry on his father's work.

At least, that's my own take on it. Everyone is free to heed or discard it. :-)



Sorry Aragorn, I'm not trying to be challenging at all, just questioning in an interested way.
All the best :-)
Becky

Questioning things is good. People should question a lot more. :-)

[Napping]

Such brilliant posts and plenty to look into. My sincerist thanks guys!!

Re the original title of the thread I must apologise. I was looking at several of the news articles of this story posted in the mainstream media around the world and I believe one of the Aussie papers had a link that was the title of the thread. Sloppy on my part. I'm sure Mary will forgive me.

The reality is, after attending church every week for the first 18 years of my life including 5 years as an alter boy and attending catholic schooling the whole way through I turned my back on it all in confusion and indifference. To those of you who have read the bible through I take my hat off. I found it disjointed and very hard to interpret. In fact the same verse can be interpreted any multitude of contradicting ways depending on the priest, paster etc. There's more denominations of Christianity than there are pages in the bible itself and many are at constant war with each other....The Catholics vs the Protestants for but one example.

So in hindsight I don't blame myself for being incessantly perplexed with it all. Yet, something's been drawing me back to this Christ figure/energy. I love that people I warmed to like Bob Dean, James Gililland and many others express that they have known/know this sage. The Davinci code excited me immensely as it sparked something inside that felt an air of truth and a quick look at some of the writings and short vids many are referring to here also rings truth.

Ultimately, it'll always be a straight forward text like The Power of Now by Exhardt Tolle that a battler like me can easily interpret and comprehend to quiet the mind and communicate with the heart/higher self/all that is. However, Jesus or whatever his real name was is back on the table after years of uncertainly and indifference on my part, as is Mary.

There's some clever ones in here aren't there!! Thanks again, I'm excited.

[Chester]

My suffering and confusion ended when my ego released the need to have "been" somebody who lived before whereby I then opened up to the underlying region within my consciousness known as the sub-conscious only to discover the archetypal "entities" that dwell there... only to see how they each have a "need" to project their individual essence into our world... that much of my life I opened up to many of these "Archons" so to be a vessel for the playing out of their desired dramas... and upon (finally) discovering this, I decided to take personal responsibility for my life and therefore began to pull through the archetypal essences of which I was attracted.

In many (if not all cases), a particular archetype seems to be immersed in a drama with other archetypes. What I have been doing (and with incredibly wonderful success) is that I have taken on much of the essences of one (or more) "archetypal actors" from the myths that I have become attracted to or that I recognize have "come to life" during my lifetime such that I might generate a newer (and better) resolution to the drama as opposed to simply abandoning myself to the same old outcomes much among humanity seem to enjoy. Yes, what is "better" is all and only my opinion but isn't putting forth what we think, what we feel, what we believe is our best and/or for the best what living lives is all about?

I do not suffer at all anymore. I am no longer held hostage (through fear) about any sort of "they" who might "do something evil" to my loved ones and friends. I no longer participate in "the savior dynamic" other than to work to further improve how I impact the lives of others which is all that matters to me at age 57.

Along the way it is clear I have "been" Merlyn, "been" Count Dracula, "been" an assassin who appears to have aborted his mission to kill Jesus, "been" Horus, "been" a secret lover of Joan de Arc, etc., etc.

Or... is it possible I simply opened to the same underlying archetypes that were alive, well and kicking within the psyches of these historical and mythical beings?

[Milneman]

Great thread!

Ok, second question (for all of you who said thanks in my first post, indicating that you've read the Bible cover to cover at some point, or more than once...).

In your understanding and interpretation of the New Testament as you've read it, as you've personally related to it, do these new gospels in any way, shape, or form conflict with any of the ideas in the existing published gospels?

Does it do anything the basic tenants of Christian thought? (And by that, I'm not referring to things like celibacy of priests, which is dogmatic/political.)

Tiddly Pom!

[onawah]

As I understand it, when Simon referred to himself as the Adam, he didn't mean the Adam of the Genesis story, but the Adam of the Annunaki story, ie, the first successful hybrid male that the Annunaki created.
IMHO, there are parallels between the two stories, but they are not the same story.
I think the progenitors of the human bloodlines named in Genesis and later chapters of the Old Testament were born much later than the first Annunaki hybrids.
Of course, it would be very interesting to hear Simon's views on this, when and if he has time to comment.

[nzreva]

Yahoshua (Jesus) was a common name 2,000 years ago. If it does not say Yahoshua the Nazoraion or Iesoun the Nazoraion, it could mean any one.
An example
Col 4:11
And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.
So to say Jesus without adding Nazoraion tells us nothing about the person, rather someone named Jesus or Iesous or Yahoshua.