Vril Energy & German Flying Saucers - Gerry Vassilatos

[Star Tsar]

The Laura Lee Show

Vril Energy


Gerry Vassilatos & Michael Theroux cover the topic of living Vril energy discussing historical personalities like Nathan Stubblefield, Ruth Drown, and Thomas Galen Hieronymus, while addressing the issues of developing technology based on Vril. Gerry also demonstrates the sounds of Earth energies made through a grounded rod.

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Vril Energy & German Flying Saucers


Gerry Vassilatos & Laura Lee discuss the anti-gravity flying machines developed by the Germans during World War II, named the Feuerball and the Kugelblitz. Also covered, Trevor Constable and his “Critters” research, Wilhelm Reich, Royal Raymond Rife, Viktor Schauberger, technology suppression, Vril energy, consciousness, war and peace.

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[ghostrider]

dirty little secret , the Nazi's had flying saucers , and they solved the gravity problem in the 40's ...

[Linda Brown]

dirty little secret , the Nazi's had flying saucers , and they solved the gravity problem in the 40's ...

Hi ghostrider.

Can you quote what you are basing your conclusions on? Joseph Farrell? Someone else? Do you have any solid proof that would link " flying saucers" with the Nazis....? I would like to follow up on that information so that I can reach my own conclusions.

If you are counting on information directly from Gerry Vassilatos I do have distinct reasons for questioning his conclusions. He made serious mistakes when he wrote about some of the early investigators of what he liked to call anti-gravity. Are you taking this information seriously because of your faith in him? Linda

[ghostrider]

dirty little secret , the Nazi's had flying saucers , and they solved the gravity problem in the 40's ...

Hi ghostrider.

Can you quote what you are basing your conclusions on? Joseph Farrell? Someone else? Do you have any solid proof that would link " flying saucers" with the Nazis....? I would like to follow up on that information so that I can reach my own conclusions.

If you are counting on information directly from Gerry Vassilatos I do have distinct reasons for questioning his conclusions. He made serious mistakes when he wrote about some of the early investigators of what he liked to call anti-gravity. Are you taking this information seriously because of your faith in him? Linda
the information about Nazi's having saucers is overwhelming ... give me a minute and I will load you down with sources ...

[Linda Brown]

Always appreciate overwhelming proof of a statement... standing by. Thanks ghostrider. Linda

[ghostrider]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcmBdgR5-kA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwUpPwyyvLw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh37r3alzzs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPxGA11hcMU http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_006 scroll down to German Foo Fighters question ...

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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_257

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contact report 257 is a long read but has a lot of history about most flying devices seen around earth are made by earth humans , who have had flying disk since the early 40's ...

[Linda Brown]

I have a very poor computer. Friends laugh that I have a couple of hampsters at work here... if you don't mind... can you just name a particular source that those utubes are mentioning? Looking now at the other link.

What was your impression of what " Foo Fighters" might have represented?

Getting back to you soon. Sorry about the Utubes but I just cant see them. Linda

[ghostrider]

The rabbit hole goes very deep here ... a splinter group of ET's not so nice , sent impulses to Hitler and his scientist , to gain control of the world , as that was their objective for the last 13,500years , hence their brothers the plejaren , have been coming here trying to stop them ... they were captured , underneath the giza pyramids, and sent to a far off galaxy around 1988, that is sealed and guarded , so they cannot escape ... in truth the idea for flying saucers came from ET ... the Americans found more than they could handle upon entering Germany's military strongholds , so operation paperclip ensues , the allies try to play catch up , to where hitler was long ago ... flying disk , mind control , super soldiers ... all from insane ET's that split off from the plejaren long ago around 50,000 years ago ... they usually use religion but , we are on to that trick these days ... these ET's known as the Bafath have a history no one would believe , they kind has in the past destroyed an entire galaxy , a sun , and a planet in our sol system called Phateon where now circles the asteroid belt ...

[Linda Brown]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcmBdgR5-kA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwUpPwyyvLw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh37r3alzzs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPxGA11hcMU http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_006 scroll down to German Foo Fighters question ...

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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_257

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contact report 257 is a long read but has a lot of history about most flying devices seen around earth are made by earth humans , who have had flying disk since the early 40's ...

I am not at all disagreeing with you. Just looking for one or two common and more solid points where we can more solidly agree. I have heard all kinds of different viewpoints.... That the " discs" were secret American craft.... that the story of them being "alien" was a disinformation ploy promoted by people like Curtis LeMay and others who could not explain that they could not match the performance of these things... Yet people like Ben Rich and William Lear were speaking out about advanced technologies that would be in operation in the fifties. Then everything went dark. really dark. I have had a hard time linking the Nazis with this effort... (other than the Paperclip scientists who were brought over after WWII)....It seems to me to be an awfully BIG jump to assume that the Nazis had this technology during the forties. If they did... have you figured why they didn't actually use it against the Allies?

Your thoughts here are appreciated. Linda

[Yetti]

Well.. 2+2 is not getting 4 here , I mean with the Nazi ufo stuff, and I've been discussing the subject for several years , almost everyone agree that IF the Nazis had have a ufo in the 40's why they didn't use for wining the war because by the obvious technological advance and speed. ??? I woul like to here something with sense that support this theory.

[ghostrider]

the thing the Nazi's didn't realize is they were mind controlled by the Bafath who only used them as a tool for world domination ... they gave just enough knowledge to Hitler to fill his head with the illusion of the lust for power and control ... if he had succeeded they would run the world through him ... We had help ... check out all the information out there about the Nazi Bell or operation paperclip ... I know it's a lot , yes they had flying saucers in the 40's ... the allies called them Foo Fighters ...

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just an FYI , we nailed all this down about four years ago , the truth about the Nazi spaceship program has been around a long time ... too many scientist up in years are spilling the beans ...

[thunder24]

one of the spoils of war it seems is the advancement of technology... so if one reason for war is the development of these things, and letting the war go on as a distraction so be it, in the eyes of some...

[ghostrider]

Time is short for earth humans so here ya go ... earth has had six extinctions , we are on our way to the seventh ... everything we have now we had before , we just aren't advanced spiritually as we are in technology it always ends in destruction , we never learn ... helicopter and planes on the pyramid walls , 400 million year old gears found in ice , even as advanced as our ET ancestors were , they never got over the hump and destroyed everything everywhere they went ... the ring nebula , we call the eye of god , is a destroyed sun they blew up long ago , hence the migration to Mars and Earth and Phateon ...

[Linda Brown]

the thing the Nazi's didn't realize is they were mind controlled by the Bafath who only used them as a tool for world domination ... they gave just enough knowledge to Hitler to fill his head with the illusion of the lust for power and control ... if he had succeeded they would run the world through him ... We had help ... check out all the information out there about the Nazi Bell or operation paperclip ... I know it's a lot , yes they had flying saucers in the 40's ... the allies called them Foo Fighters ...

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just an FYI , we nailed all this down about four years ago , the truth about the Nazi spaceship program has been around a long time ... too many scientist up in years are spilling the beans ...

Forgive me ghostrider, but I wasn't here four years ago to appreciate all this being " nailed down" already. Seems to me there are alot of loose ends flapping around! <g> You say " Too many scientists" up in years" are spilling the beans. I should hope so...the best way to keep secrets is to have all of those guys dying off without leaving a legacy.....but.... which scientists precisely.... and which "beans" precisely?

Linda

[ghostrider]

the thing the Nazi's didn't realize is they were mind controlled by the Bafath who only used them as a tool for world domination ... they gave just enough knowledge to Hitler to fill his head with the illusion of the lust for power and control ... if he had succeeded they would run the world through him ... We had help ... check out all the information out there about the Nazi Bell or operation paperclip ... I know it's a lot , yes they had flying saucers in the 40's ... the allies called them Foo Fighters ...

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just an FYI , we nailed all this down about four years ago , the truth about the Nazi spaceship program has been around a long time ... too many scientist up in years are spilling the beans ...

Forgive me ghostrider, but I wasn't here four years ago to appreciate all this being " nailed down" already. Seems to me there are alot of loose ends flapping around! <g> You say " Too many scientists" up in years" are spilling the beans. I should hope so...the best way to keep secrets is to have all of those guys dying off without leaving a legacy.....but.... which scientists precisely.... and which "beans" precisely?

Linda
just sowing seeds no worries ... the scientist that worked along side the germans that were brought over to the states have been speaking for years , most ignore what they have said ... the are jam full in the Disney company , Nasa , banks , everywhere , and people think that the Germans lost the war , did they ??? the Denver airport is shaped in the Nazi sign . Prescott Bush funded the Nazis , his sons headed the CIA , the white house , the rocket to space was designed by a German , there is so much that most don't know or make connections with ... please don't believe anything I say , search it for yourself , there are many here at Avalon much more versed than I , they will help you ... I am kind the fringe of the fringe ... they keep me grounded ...

[thunder24]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19745-Vedas-human-dnai-mahabharata-Aryans-aryan-gods

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20586-Has-white-man-colonised-planet-Earth

heres a good start

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55967-Speculating-Global-Meteors-Space-Based-Weapons-Current-Struggle-for-Financial-Systems-Related&p=640933&highlight=hitler+flying+saucers#post640933

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41655-Hitler-s-Roswell-Alien-saucer-crash-in-1937-Nazi-Germany&p=438736&highlight=hitler+flying+saucers#post438736

[Linda Brown]

Time is short for earth humans so here ya go ... earth has had six extinctions , we are on our way to the seventh ... everything we have now we had before , we just aren't advanced spiritually as we are in technology it always ends in destruction , we never learn ... helicopter and planes on the pyramid walls , 400 million year old gears found in ice , even as advanced as our ET ancestors were , they never got over the hump and destroyed everything everywhere they went ... the ring nebula , we call the eye of god , is a destroyed sun they blew up long ago , hence the migration to Mars and Earth and Phateon ...

Much you say I entirely agree with. One of the sayings we had in our family was the phrase " returning, returning. returning" which was really all about the fact that the Earth was in a particular path through deep space which would eventually bring her around to varying densities of special energy " seas"... and as we passed through all of that...sometimes... magnificent discoveries and advances were made..... and then we would punch out of that " encouraging sea" and plunge into the dark ages.... again and again and again. And you might be right....there could be some poor times ahead. I am a constant optimist though and happen to believe that our course is set by where we set our eyes....we end up.... like riding a motorcycle... where we look. You look down while riding a bike.... thats where you end up. I prefer to constantly look ahead......Tesla knew the dangers of allowing technology get ahead of our own abilities... call it spirituality if you want... but if you are not wise in that direction ... technology will just get us in trouble. Thats what he believed I think... "technology is NOT PROGRESS". You say "we never learn but please.... think on that again.... we CAN learn. Can't we? Do you think its a lost cause? Linda

[ghostrider]

it will take 800 more years before we become real human beings ... we will suffer much , as the world has never seen nor ever will see again ... Henochwarned us , warned us to change or the earth and all inhabitants will suffer ... most people have never even taken the time to read Henoch's predictions ... 9,000 years ago he named , credit cards , computers , Russian troop movements in Alaska , robots , War , atomic bombs carried by airplanes ... he called it the third world fire ... His spirit form looked billions of years into our future ... man will create an artificial sun , stations on the moon and Mars , cities under the ocean ... it changes you when you see the power of spirit and read it's truth ... it gives you eyes to see and ears to hear ...

[Linda Brown]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19745-Vedas-human-dnai-mahabharata-Aryans-aryan-gods

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20586-Has-white-man-colonised-planet-Earth

heres a good start

Forgive me but some of that material just makes my eyes itch ..... Too many people making REALLY big statements without anything historical to back themselves up. I appreciate enthusiam as much as anyone but I also like knowing that SOME of this material is set on some kind of bedrock and not conversational sand.

Getting back to the original thought... what do we have which has become known in the last..... 60 years that is solid and different and not just talk?

Richard Dolan declares that there is a US Space Fleet out there. If he is right....( and I sure hope he is) then those things were not developed out of wishful thinking and there is a trail somewhere..... That would have been an ENORMOUS secret project and no matter how good they might have been about compartmentalizing their efforts and keeping everything secure.... somewhere.... someone made a mistake.... and that is out there. So forgive me if I don't get terribly excited about following up on old stories or new disinformation ploys....I am not as young as some of you are. And its important for me personally to stay focused.

and again we agree ghostrider...... wouldn't it be wonderful to have that kind of gift... to see that far into the future.... and to see something POSITIVE at the end of that sight... cities in the seas....our own artificial suns....that would be magnificent. If we don't disassemble our atoms first!.

Linda

[Star Tsar]

Hey Linda welcome aboard the good ship Avalon!

If you have the time also check out Vladimir Terzisk I feel he's rather good.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71189-German-Saucers-UFO-in-Arizona&p=832726#post832726

[Sunny-side-up]

the thing the Nazi's didn't realize is they were mind controlled by the Bafath who only used them as a tool for world domination ... they gave just enough knowledge to Hitler to fill his head with the illusion of the lust for power and control ... if he had succeeded they would run the world through him ... We had help ... check out all the information out there about the Nazi Bell or operation paperclip ... I know it's a lot , yes they had flying saucers in the 40's ... the allies called them Foo Fighters ...

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just an FYI , we nailed all this down about four years ago , the truth about the Nazi spaceship program has been around a long time ... too many scientist up in years are spilling the beans ...

This is just my view on this point:
The science of Hitlers war machine was not totally under Hitlers control!
IE the control over Hitlers UFO (and related sciences) was under the control of someone who had other ideas for it's development and continued use,
IE 'Breakaway Civilization' a new 4th Reich!
This was a dropping of Hitler by a clearer mind!

PS: Linda Brown you really do need a better Computer and get to see the YouTube vids that are out there, so much information to be seen and fast!

[Cardillac]

the only thing I can add to this thread before coming to any conclusions about anything is first read Greg Hallett's "Hitler Was a British Agent" and Mike Sparks' "James Bond is Real" about how Ian Fleming was coerced into evacuating AH and Eva Braun from Berlin;

then add (if not yet read) Peter Levenda's breathtaking "Ratline" about AHs probable demise in Indonesia;

let alone ALL of Dr. Joseph Farrell's research!- if one has not yet read any of these incredible sources (and one MUST put all of them together in order to be able to connect the dots) I just don't think anyone can even have an INKLING of a grasp of this highly controversial topic;

Peter Levenda's "The Hitler Legacy" has just been published in the last few weeks (already ordered it but hasn't yet arrived) so I'm sure this will connect many, many more dots for us-

stay well all-

Larry

[Linda Brown]

the only thing I can add to this thread before coming to any conclusions about anything is first read Greg Hallett's "Hitler Was a British Agent" and Mike Sparks' "James Bond is Real" about how Ian Fleming was coerced into evacuating AH and Eva Braun from Berlin;

then add (if not yet read) Peter Levenda's breathtaking "Ratline" about AHs probable demise in Indonesia;

let alone ALL of Dr. Joseph Farrell's research!- if one has not yet read any of these incredible sources (and one MUST put all of them together in order to be able to connect the dots) I just don't think anyone can even have an INKLING of a grasp of this highly controversial topic;

Peter Levenda's "The Hitler Legacy" has just been published in the last few weeks (already ordered it but hasn't yet arrived) so I'm sure this will connect many, many more dots for us-

stay well all-

Larry

Its true that I have much to read but for the moment I am trying to concentrate on information that has come to me from sources who were in the middle of all of that intrigue. One of my major sources is a man who was stationed with Admiral Godfrey during the war. He was an young British Marine Commando ( a group that they referred to as the " Boatmen") His desk happened to be directly across from Ian Flemmings... ( whom he considered an " imaginative ass") He had direct dealings with the man called William Stephenson and was involved in much of the resistance fighting that was going on during the war and the reconstructive efforts afterwards. He has told me a few things... and I would have to take his side in never believing that anyone helped Hitler get anywhere.. and I can feel him cringe when I am reading some of the things here about how Hitler may have been helped by the Allies.

Though you are right.....those forces during the war did not want Hitler Killed during the middle of the war. Because they realized that they could control that madman better than someone who might have replaced him.... and sometimes you have to look at the longtime ramifications of your actions. Stephenson would have been very happy to put a bullet in Hitlers head ( my source tells me) except that he was told to stand down on that idea.

Thank you for your input. I appreciate it all so much.

Sunny side up... you said
"This is just my view on this point:
The science of Hitlers war machine was not totally under Hitlers control!
IE the control over Hitlers UFO (and related sciences) was under the control of someone who had other ideas for it's development and continued use,
IE 'Breakaway Civilization' a new 4th Reich!
This was a dropping of Hitler by a clearer mind!

Can you expand on that thought a little bit? When I see your name up there it makes me smile.....<g>

Regarding my poor computer and not being able to see all that material out there. Sometimes I thank my little hampsters for being so inadequate...sometimes that information is just overwhelming.<g> Linda

[aikisaw]

Here are some links on Vril. Some are scientific ....some are esoteric. If you do a google search of Vril technologies you will get more scientific results.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/secretsoc_20century/secretsoc_20century06.htm#CHAPTER%2032


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/secretsoc_20century/secretsoc_20century06.htm#CHAPTER%2033

It will assist your understanding if you read this page first

http://www.lightnet.co.uk/frontier/viktor.htm then read the following

http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/Viktor%20Schauberger.htm

[Gatita]

the thing the Nazi's didn't realize is they were mind controlled by the Bafath who only used them as a tool for world domination ... they gave just enough knowledge to Hitler to fill his head with the illusion of the lust for power and control ... if he had succeeded they would run the world through him ... We had help ... check out all the information out there about the Nazi Bell or operation paperclip ... I know it's a lot , yes they had flying saucers in the 40's ... the allies called them Foo Fighters ...

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just an FYI , we nailed all this down about four years ago , the truth about the Nazi spaceship program has been around a long time ... too many scientist up in years are spilling the beans ...

Forgive me ghostrider, but I wasn't here four years ago to appreciate all this being " nailed down" already. Seems to me there are alot of loose ends flapping around! <g> You say " Too many scientists" up in years" are spilling the beans. I should hope so...the best way to keep secrets is to have all of those guys dying off without leaving a legacy.....but.... which scientists precisely.... and which "beans" precisely?

Lindau
just sowing seeds no worries ... the scientist that worked along side the germans that were brought over to the states have been speaking for years , most ignore what they have said ... the are jam full in the Disney company , Nasa , banks , everywhere , and people think that the Germans lost the war , did they ??? the Denver airport is shaped in the Nazi sign . Prescott Bush funded the Nazis , his sons headed the CIA , the white house , the rocket to space was designed by a German , there is so much that most don't know or make connections with ... please don't believe anything I say , search it for yourself , there are many here at Avalon much more versed than I , they will help you ... I am kind the fringe of the fringe ... they keep me grounded ...

So, ghostrider, are you saying that DIA is shaped like a swastik? I've been out tthere to drop off and pick up, but have not seen the facility from the air.

Cat

[ghostrider]

the thing the Nazi's didn't realize is they were mind controlled by the Bafath who only used them as a tool for world domination ... they gave just enough knowledge to Hitler to fill his head with the illusion of the lust for power and control ... if he had succeeded they would run the world through him ... We had help ... check out all the information out there about the Nazi Bell or operation paperclip ... I know it's a lot , yes they had flying saucers in the 40's ... the allies called them Foo Fighters ...

¤=[Post Update]=¤

just an FYI , we nailed all this down about four years ago , the truth about the Nazi spaceship program has been around a long time ... too many scientist up in years are spilling the beans ...

Forgive me ghostrider, but I wasn't here four years ago to appreciate all this being " nailed down" already. Seems to me there are alot of loose ends flapping around! <g> You say " Too many scientists" up in years" are spilling the beans. I should hope so...the best way to keep secrets is to have all of those guys dying off without leaving a legacy.....but.... which scientists precisely.... and which "beans" precisely?

Lindau
just sowing seeds no worries ... the scientist that worked along side the germans that were brought over to the states have been speaking for years , most ignore what they have said ... the are jam full in the Disney company , Nasa , banks , everywhere , and people think that the Germans lost the war , did they ??? the Denver airport is shaped in the Nazi sign . Prescott Bush funded the Nazis , his sons headed the CIA , the white house , the rocket to space was designed by a German , there is so much that most don't know or make connections with ... please don't believe anything I say , search it for yourself , there are many here at Avalon much more versed than I , they will help you ... I am kind the fringe of the fringe ... they keep me grounded ...

So, ghostrider, are you saying that DIA is shaped like a swastik? I've been out tthere to drop off and pick up, but have not seen the facility from the air.

Cat

yes the new airport in Denver seen from above is in the symbol of a Nazi swastika ...YT has some flyovers ...

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the thing the Nazi's didn't realize is they were mind controlled by the Bafath who only used them as a tool for world domination ... they gave just enough knowledge to Hitler to fill his head with the illusion of the lust for power and control ... if he had succeeded they would run the world through him ... We had help ... check out all the information out there about the Nazi Bell or operation paperclip ... I know it's a lot , yes they had flying saucers in the 40's ... the allies called them Foo Fighters ...

¤=[Post Update]=¤

just an FYI , we nailed all this down about four years ago , the truth about the Nazi spaceship program has been around a long time ... too many scientist up in years are spilling the beans ...

Forgive me ghostrider, but I wasn't here four years ago to appreciate all this being " nailed down" already. Seems to me there are alot of loose ends flapping around! <g> You say " Too many scientists" up in years" are spilling the beans. I should hope so...the best way to keep secrets is to have all of those guys dying off without leaving a legacy.....but.... which scientists precisely.... and which "beans" precisely?

Lindau
just sowing seeds no worries ... the scientist that worked along side the germans that were brought over to the states have been speaking for years , most ignore what they have said ... the are jam full in the Disney company , Nasa , banks , everywhere , and people think that the Germans lost the war , did they ??? the Denver airport is shaped in the Nazi sign . Prescott Bush funded the Nazis , his sons headed the CIA , the white house , the rocket to space was designed by a German , there is so much that most don't know or make connections with ... please don't believe anything I say , search it for yourself , there are many here at Avalon much more versed than I , they will help you ... I am kind the fringe of the fringe ... they keep me grounded ...

So, ghostrider, are you saying that DIA is shaped like a swastik? I've been out tthere to drop off and pick up, but have not seen the facility from the air.

Cat

yes the new airport in Denver seen from above is in the symbol of a Nazi swastika ...YT has some flyovers ...

sidebar the WTC memorial is a mirror of the holy site in Mecca , everyone walks in one direction around the dark square just like they do in Mecca , check it out ...

[Gatita]

Okay. I looked on Google Earth, but didn't see a swastika shape. I'll check YT.

Cat