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jerry
11th November 2014, 01:08
In a newly uncovered video, Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber admits that a “lack of transparency” was key in getting the Affordable Care Act passed because “the stupidity of the American voter” would have otherwise killed the bill.

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From 2009-2010 Gruber, a professor of economics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, served as a technical consultant to the Obama Administration during which time he helped craft the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, more commonly known as Obamacare.

During a recent panel discussion, Gruber explained that the characterization of the individual mandate as a tax, which led to the Supreme Court upholding it as such, was not actually a tax at all.


“This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes,” stated Gruber. “If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. Okay, so it’s written to do that. In terms of risk rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in – you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed.”

“Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” he added. “And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical for the thing to pass. Look, I wish Mark was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not.”

Although it’s widely acknowledged that Obamacare was forced through off the back of broken promises and dirty tricks, to have someone who helped craft the law brazenly admit the fact is still shocking.

The clip is also disturbingly ironic given Obama’s 2013 claim that his White House is “the most transparent administration in history .”

When the President was promoting the virtues of Obamacare in 2009, he also infamously uttered the line, “First, no matter what’ve you’ve heard, if you like your doctor — or health care plan — you can keep it.”

That promise was shattered earlier this year when Obama acknowledged during an interview with WebMD that Americans, “might end up having to switch doctors.”

Paul Joseph Watson

sandy
11th November 2014, 01:53
Sure hope this video goes viral in the USA, another fine example of calling their own citizens stupid and how they take advantage of their stupidity!! Disgusting :sick::bad:

Happyjak
11th November 2014, 02:41
And the bank bill zerr federal reserve act and every other blankety blank since was any different?
"if the American people knew what we have done, they would string us up from the lamp posts.”

-George H.W BUSH.

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.[1] If we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed."
Thomas Jefferson

I love quotes especially those that articulate the message better than I and if they come from someone seen as an "Authority" vs the avg "Jack Herer w/a quarter bag to share" or "Joe six pack" it holds more weight, and might be able to break through conditioned programing and false beLIEf systems.
I appreciate your find and thank you for posting.
If only those outside the choir had ears that hear or eyes to see.

jerry
11th November 2014, 05:22
Its hard to blame a deceived public, most are so stupefied by MSM they have no clue. This is where the issue needs to be addressed as congress has now approved and allowed for the government to spew blatantly false propaganda where it was once illegal to do so. http://www.newsfocus.org/media_control.htm

rgray222
11th November 2014, 14:54
This is simply a handful of elites, lead by Obama deciding what "they think" the public needs. After watching this video it is crystal clear that the entire bill was designed, written and implemented in a fraudulent and deceptive manner from top to bottom. This is nothing short of fraud and the architects of this legislation should be sharing a cell with Bernie Madoff.

I am a proponent of healthcare but not one that has been written in deception. Not one that represented to the supreme court and the American public as something is was not. Johnathan Gruber and every other framer of the healthcare bill should probably spend time in prison for fraud.

Failing that they should pay back every penny they were paid while working on this bill and be banned from any future government work for life. Without consequences nothing changes! It is not often that we get emphatic proof of deception but this smoking gun is too hot to hold!

jerry
13th November 2014, 01:52
on at least three different occasions Gruber openly stated that the administration sought to deliberately deceive Americans during the promotion of Obamacare, relying on what he termed “the stupidity of the American voter” and a “lack of transparency” to accomplish the feat t7IlKhqJPH8 Fox has aired this and should go along way in helping the public understand how they have been hoodwinked0_XSUFyNA-I

jerry
18th November 2014, 02:10
Obamacare = A Death Panel For The U.S. Economy


by Michael Snyder, The Economic Collapse Blog:

Did you know that some Americans are being hit with health insurance rate increases of more than 500 percent? Taking advantage of “the stupidity of the American voter”, the Democrats succeeded in ramming through one of the worst pieces of legislation that has ever come before Congress. The full implementation of Obamacare has been repeatedly delayed, but now we are finally starting to see the true horror of this terrible law. Thanks to Obamacare, millions of American families are losing health plans that they were very happy with, health insurance rates are skyrocketing, millions of workers are having their full-time hours cut back to part-time hours, rural hospitals all over the country are dying, and thousands of doctors are being driven out of the industry thus intensifying the greatest doctor shortage in U.S. history. Obamacare is a slow-motion train wreck of epic proportions, and the full effect of this law is only beginning to be felt. In the end, the economic impact of this law will likely be measured in the trillions of dollars.

One of the primary reasons why Democrats experienced so much pain during the recent elections was because millions of Americans are receiving some very disturbing letters from their health insurance providers. At a time when U.S. incomes are stagnating, health insurance rates are rising to absolutely ridiculous levels.

As the New York Times recently reported, even the Obama administration is admitting that “substantial price increases” are on the way…

The Obama administration on Friday unveiled data showing that many Americans with health insurance bought under the Affordable Care Act could face substantial price increases next year — in some cases as much as 20 percent — unless they switch plans.

The data became available just hours before the health insurance marketplace was to open to buyers seeking insurance for 2015.

An analysis of the data by The New York Times suggests that although consumers will often be able to find new health plans with prices comparable to those they now pay, the situation varies greatly from state to state and even among counties in the same state.

Originally, Barack Obama promised that if we liked our current health plans that we could keep them. Well, it turns out that was not true at all. Instead, the vast majority of us will eventually have to move to new plans if we have not done so already. This is particularly true for those that purchase health insurance individually. The following is an excerpt from an NBC News investigation…

Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC News that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”

This is something that actually happened to me. I received a letter in the mail informing me that my new health insurance policy which meets the requirements of Obamacare will cost me nearly twice as much as my old one.

Needless to say, I was not too thrilled about that.

Other Americans are being hit even harder. For instance, one family down in Texas got hammered with a 539 percent rate increase…

Obamacare is named the “Affordable Care Act,” after all, and the President promised the rates would be “as low as a phone bill.” But I just received a confirmed letter from a friend in Texas showing a 539% rate increase on an existing policy that’s been in good standing for years.

As the letter reveals (see below), the cost for this couple’s policy under Humana is increasing from $212.10 per month to $1,356.60 per month. This is for a couple in good health whose combined income is less than $70K — a middle-class family, in other words.

These rate increases are coming at a time when the middle class in the U.S. is already steadily shrinking. A lot of families that are already stretched to the breaking point are making the very painful decision to give up health insurance entirely. At this point, there are millions of families that simply cannot afford it.

But Obama is not about to let those people off the hook. In fact, huge tax penalties are on the way for those that do not participate in the new system…

Penalties for failing to secure a health-insurance plan will rise steeply next year, which could take a big bite out of some families’ pocketbooks.

“The penalty is meant to incentivize people to get coverage,” said senior analyst Laura Adams of InsuranceQuotes.com. “This year, I think a lot of people are going to be in for a shock.”

In 2014, Obamacare’s first year, individuals are facing a penalty of $95 per person, or 1 percent of their income, depending on which is higher. If an American failed to get coverage this year, that penalty will be taken out of their tax refund in early 2015, Adams noted.

While that might be painful to some uninsured Americans who are counting on their tax refunds in early 2015, the penalty for going uninsured next year is even harsher. The financial penalty for skipping out on health coverage will more than triple to $325 per person in 2015, or 2 percent of income, depending on whichever is higher.

Children will be fined at half the adult rate, or $162.50 for those under 18 years old.

No wonder so many people are so angry with the Democrats.

jerry
18th November 2014, 05:11
nice parody here with a great kicker at the endwmtaCZmzKWo

jerry
19th November 2014, 01:56
An MSNBC graphic hyped, “Obama Slams Gruber: Defending ObamaCare” and NewsNation host Tamron Hall insisted the President is “is firing back against” the accusations

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Public Outrage Over Obama care Fraud Hits The Fan

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