Conversations with God

[foreverfan]

Get ready to find out exactly how to easily improve your life from God!

:first: The 1995 Best Seller Book "Conversations with God" sold Millions of copies and has changed countless lives in many nations for over 20 years. It is finally available for FREE ONLINE. While it shares some elements with Christianity, the book is certainly not Christianity of the sort that most people will recognize.

Blasphemy! Heresy! Who does this man think he is, claiming to speak directly to God? Well Jesus did it, Muhammad did it, the Jewish prophets did it, but this version doesn't have thousands of years of questionable editing. Also none of their Gods had the sardonic wit, humor or raw verve of Prophet Walsch's God.

Neale Donald Walsch isn't claiming to be the Messiah of a new religion, just a frustrated man who sat down one day with pen in his hand and some tough questions in his heart. As he wrote his questions to God, he realized that God was answering them... directly... through Walsch's pen. The result, far from the apocalyptic predictions or cultic eccentricities you might expect, turns out to be matter-fact, in-your-face wisdom on how to get by in life while remaining true to yourself and your spirituality. How to best use your human consciousness to easily succeed in life is explained by the Creator who man kind chooses to call God.

MOST LIKELY YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD ANY OF THIS INFORMATION ON THIS WEBSITE OR ANYWHERE ELSE BEFORE. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT FROM YOUR CREATOR.

CONTAINS NO RELIGIOUS REQUIREMENTS FROM A GOD/RULER. :violin:

WORTH THE TIME EVEN IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN A GOD. (Goes by the Creator)
There is no heaven or hell... only continued consciousness after death.
(well you may have heard that much on this site but that's about it)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc1nAQpusLg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K09Z8CUaq7U


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QedKK5rhtN4

[nancyb]

Great, great series of books that were the beginning for me on my awakening path - all of them!!! Thanks for the reminder!!

[Innocent Warrior]

Yeah, these are awesome. :)

[Snoweagle]

Am of the very strongest opinion, without even participating in viewing, that this series, eight and half hours, is the biggest load of garbage ever. No doubt it will be extremely well manufactured with all "bell and whistles" to "SELL" the concept and beliefs to troubled minds.

There were no Gods, there are no Gods and there never will be any Gods.

The human creature, mankind, is an electrical being that binds empathatically within it's community and environment. This entire process is electrical. The infusion of "gods" distracts and focuses the mind, by seperating the real social need from the imaginary, purported by "holy" decrees. It is classical seperation of mind and body to a fiction.

I strongly recommend ignoring this thread and the participation it demands as much better use of your time will be found working in your community amongst the real problems affecting us all.

Furthermore, it can be clearly seen this is an "Avalon" team play with the original poster being followed within minutes of posting with comments of adoration, a ploy that has become much more noticeable in recent times.

[regnak]

Well God is as real or as unreal as you wish him to be. We live in a Universe of choice where every choice not only is possible but happens in multiple universes you choose for you ;)

[Snoweagle]

Well God is as real or as unreal as you wish him to be. We live in a Universe of choice where every choice not only is possible but happens in multiple universes you choose for you ;)

Nonsense. Every religious belief has been forced onto social groups during times of hardship. When there was no hardship, it was and still is created to provide the innocent a safe haven. Invariably, once committed, voluntary choice becomes enforced committment to "duties" above and beyond the normal social fabric.

Consider the expansion of Islam throughout Europe, with the soft sell of love and peace to draw in new members and then enforced on them, the daily duties of being a good servant to "God" to the detriment of the larger community. Yes it was their individual choice that made them join but when they choose to leave they are threatened and even killed for "insulting" the belief.
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Furthermore you might like to read the following: The Malleus Maleficarum of Heinrich Kramer and James Sprenger; translated with an Introduction, Bibliography and Notes by the Reverand Montague Summers. This book describes, in a nutshell, how the Catholic faith beat, tortured and executed thousands for speaking out at the expansion of Christianity. The modus operandi was to condemn opponents as witches and warlocks and then have banished from their own community or butchered publicly, which in turn promoted greater fear in witnesses who joined up to stay alive.

And what on earth does "having choice" mean wiithin the context of multi dimensions which we "BELIEVE" exist, yet haven't yet discovered.

It always starts with "milk and honey" as the original post but eventually robs the initiate of their "life and money".

[Wind]

What's the matter, snoweagle? Does this subject make feel all grumpy, eh? :)

Each to their own belief and who are you to say that there is no God, if I might ask? Spirituality is a different thing than religion. The supreme being is looking from behind every eyes, including yours!

[regnak]

Snoweagle God is real enough religious belief cannot compete with God. He gives the Freedom of choice which is what multiple dimensions are if you give off the right conditions you get the right set of circumstances but every choice happens you choice for you which way you want to go.

The Catholic faith and even the Muslim faith are loosely based on the ancient religion of kemit a lot the details are wrong but its the truth. they are the oldest religion in the world at least 100,000 years old. they ruled all of the earth from Egypt which is why foreign invaders were so keen to conquer it . The Ten Commandments were based on the Seventy-Seven Commandments of Kemit there culture still exists as does there knowledge which has not been lost and they are back teaching in the western culture.

website
https://theearthcenter.org/#homepage

[Snoweagle]

What's the matter, snoweagle? Does this subject make feel all grumpy, eh? :)

Each to their own belief and who are you to say that there is no God, if I might ask? Spirituality is a different thing than religion. The supreme being is looking from behind every eyes, including yours!

Thank you Wind. Yes it does rankle me greatly.
I gave my opinion, clearly stated as such. My opinion was read by all readers within a minute without a manifest of duties afforded by watching and deliberating over eight hours of potential and prospective fiction.

Spirituality in it's most natural form is an electrical empathatic relationship of engagement with natural environment. Any form of Spirituality badged as a Religion is not spiritual. It would be a business. It would be contract of man. Which is what I believe the opening post conveys or seeks to convey.

The supreme being is looking from behind every eyes, including yours! - No he isn't ROFLMAO
(You've been watching to many movies my friend lol)

I'm a recovering stroke victim, unmedicated, ex Roman Catholic and extremely spirtual. If you choose to manifest a creator to offset your own limitations I strongly recommend you pour a glass of water and hold it up to the sun and look into the water and say "thank you". Thats it. Nothing else. The last two words from the dying are invariably "Mum" and "Water".

I now consider my own duty to humanity now to speak out at false prophetic summations as this, nor limited to this, as this type of intellectual distraction of the psyche is the very cause of humanities current plight. Instead of offering choice it restricts choice by following rules determined by another man.

Instead of arguing your knowledgeable status of what god is, have your god apply for a memebership here and we can all discuss this together:-)
Not going to happen is it ROFLMAO
No doubt, there are thousand and one reasons for him (or her) are unable to do so which will be decanted by each and every religious disciple to defend their fiction.

[Snoweagle]

Snoweagle God is real enough religious belief cannot compete with God. He gives the Freedom of choice which is what multiple dimensions are if you give off the right conditions you get the right set of circumstances but every choice happens you choice for you which way you want to go.

The Catholic faith and even the Muslim faith are loosely based on the ancient religion of kemit a lot the details are wrong but its the truth. they are the oldest religion in the world at least 100,000 years old. they ruled all of the earth from Egypt which is why foreign invaders were so keen to conquer it . The Ten Commandments were based on the Seventy-Seven Commandments of Kemit there culture still exists as does there knowledge which has not been lost and they are back teaching in the western culture.

website
https://theearthcenter.org/#homepage

That site I contend is another fiction created on the back of antiquities of the past and has no substance other than the drumbeat to attract followers. There are no written records before the last 6000 years so what is the source of the kemit religion?

So what is the source?
Is this another Kabballah journey? Or modernised like Scientology?

This belongs in the same waste basket as hyskos pharoahs and other fabrications of interpretation.

[Innocent Warrior]

When we're sharing our views, we're reporting on what is real to us, from where we stand. How can any view be right or wrong or any view be more valid than another?

[Snoweagle]

When we're sharing our views, we're reporting on what is real to us, from where we stand. How can any view be right or wrong or any view be more valid than another?

Absolutely. A very interesting dichotomy.

When you share your "VIEW", are you not advising others what you "SEE".
If the only thing you see is the inside of a religious book or a church, then what are you "NOT" seeing. If from where you stand you are committed to your view, then stand somewhere else and consider the change.

Yes a view, what you see, can be right or wrong especially when there is conjoinment of committment to perform duties, whether of your choosing or otherwise, necessary or in the name of your view.

[regnak]

Snoweagle they do not use written records only oral as written records can be changed or burned. written records are unreliable

At The Earth Center there is no one making decisions for you, the knowledge is presented and you decide what you want to do with it.

Religion and spirituality are two different things. Religion comes as a means to control the masses of people for political agendas. The word religion comes from the Greek word Ligere, which means to hold back or to bind. Spirituality is the study and application of the unseen forces of the existence along with understanding energy and its relation to our existence

Kemet is more than a physical territory. The physical territory of the continent of Meritah (Africa) is referred to as Kemet because it is the center of Kemet. Kemet is actually a cultural territory that spanned beyond the continent of Africa into parts of the Americas, the Mediterranean region, the Middle East, parts of Asia and Australia

Everything within the existence is subject to the forces of good and evil, construction and destruction, yin and yang originally known as Heru/Set. It is the nature of evil to affect good no matter how high and for however long the achievements of good have been. The invasion of Kemet was a very long process starting before the current era (BCE). It was very hard because of the strength and power of the spiritual system of the people. The invaders noticed this and aimed to separate the people from their spirituality. This was a long process. The modern Gregorian calendar was imposed on the people to offset the traditional spiritual days. Offerings were thrown out of sync with the proper time and place in the universe and people were separated from their ancestors, which caused an immense decline in power. This can be seen today as people are moving farther and farther away from the values and structure left to them by their ancestors for the modern religions and ideologies of the political systems. However the fact that The Earth Center exists and the knowledge has been preserved intact until today by traditional societies around the continent raises the question can it really be said that Kemet fell?

[Snoweagle]

Snoweagle they do not use written records only oral as written records can be changed or burned. written records are unreliable

At The Earth Center there is no one making decisions for you, the knowledge is presented and you decide what you want to do with it.

Religion and spirituality are two different things. Religion comes as a means to control the masses of people for political agendas. The word religion comes from the Greek word Ligere, which means to hold back or to bind. Spirituality is the study and application of the unseen forces of the existence along with understanding energy and its relation to our existence

Kemet is more than a physical territory. The physical territory of the continent of Meritah (Africa) is referred to as Kemet because it is the center of Kemet. Kemet is actually a cultural territory that spanned beyond the continent of Africa into parts of the Americas, the Mediterranean region, the Middle East, parts of Asia and Australia

Everything within the existence is subject to the forces of good and evil, construction and destruction, yin and yang originally known as Heru/Set. It is the nature of evil to affect good no matter how high and for however long the achievements of good have been. The invasion of Kemet was a very long process starting before the current era (BCE). It was very hard because of the strength and power of the spiritual system of the people. The invaders noticed this and aimed to separate the people from their spirituality. This was a long process. The modern Gregorian calendar was imposed on the people to offset the traditional spiritual days. Offerings were thrown out of sync with the proper time and place in the universe and people were separated from their ancestors, which caused an immense decline in power. This can be seen today as people are moving farther and farther away from the values and structure left to them by their ancestors for the modern religions and ideologies of the political systems. However the fact that The Earth Center exists and the knowledge has been preserved intact until today by traditional societies around the continent raises the question can it really be said that Kemet fell?

Sorry, but this is as much hogwash as God giving Palestine away. Already Palestine isn't enough, now the new interpretation is much further afield. All because God said? This is the contract of man, nothing more. As a result God requires them to maim, slaughter and occupy lands of others.

Now in your comment here, you advise that Africa was also handed to some other group, Kemits (?), above and beyond the natural course of evolution. No doubt there will great suffering to achieve this invasion as that what your advisement extolls.

In the eighties Kirsty MacColl sang "Theres a guy works down our chip shop swears he's Elvis". I didn't believe her and I don't believe in the nonsense spewed about Kemit doctrine.

Furthermore, there were no survivors in the Meditterean region around 100k years ago as the only survivors came out of Southern Africa 60k years ago as reported by the IBM Genome project.

Of course, if there is a global war, the Kemites might be able to take over Africa as well, so long as there aren't enough survivors of the old ways and all the books were replaced by the Kemite ones. Sort of planning ahead and being up and running when the recovery comes. Think they might have a chance there, don't you?

As for me, the Kemite oral preachings would be a load of baloney and my advice to you is walk away and have a fruitful life planning for your childrens children.

[donk]

I think Walsh's perspective is wonderful, I found great value in it...and I am as anti-religion as snoweagle, particularly having problems with the institution of Christianity.

If you see me as part of some psychophantic brigade, so be it. I want people to know it is worth checking out, regardless of your beliefs. (Thank you for sharing yours snoweagle!)

[foreverfan]

This is exactly what I experienced. I despise religion but find this message wonderful, incredible and real. There is no God but only a creator. This movie ends in a message of understanding life and human consciousness.

Hey even if it is wrong... you will still be blown away with the message.

I guess the movie appeals to me since I am a 56 year old married male that has had a heart bypass and stroke in the past 8 years. My consciousness speaks to me everyday. I do not ask for these thoughts... still the happen everyday. Where do they come from? Who knows... :popcorn:

[regnak]

religion is rubbish I agree used to control the people as is government they work hand in hand with each other. Which controls the education system which is more interested in teaching theory rather than practical skill which is the way I would go apprentices for everything keep theory but only if you need it. think for yourself if you can try not to be dependant especially on government which truthfully is not your friend because soon the dole, pension culture will come to a end basic because government cannot afford it. Already they have increased the age of the pension .

before the pension age was 65 because the life of a person was 65 it broke down because people were living longer the biggest problem was that government were not saving the money for your pension rather than taking it from current taxes.

[foreverfan]

So what has created the universe and/or your consciousness. Man kind has NO provable answers. Why did God give you free will if he knew we were going to screw up everything? People usually want to believe what they are taught. This is what makes sense. But if you feel that way, you will be blown away at how correct you are. You are an experience what you have been taught to think. Still, there is so much more you haven't learned. Have you ever considered that the only thing you know that is real is your thoughts?

The book brings together another way for your brain to learn about/experience consciousness. Nothing more and nothing less. It does not push heaven or hell. It doesn't care if you are Buddha, Hindu, Muslim or Christian. There is no right or wrong. None of this matters.

To call this movie trash without understanding the message is a choice you are allowed to make because of free will. The implications get involved. Some people will not make it threw the first 20 minutes of the movie. That is your free will and the creator doesn't care. It's your free will. You were given life to experience free will, so it doesn't matter if you watch this or not. It doesn't tell you that you are going to hell... There is no heaven or hell. Only free will and conciseness. It explains how to best use this creation that you are a part of to the best of your ability to enjoy life to the fullest. That is all.

Personally I have had a lot of my questions on life answered by the book. It was fun and actually laughable at times. It has been a wonderful experience and what I have learned incredible.

[nancyb]

Furthermore, it can be clearly seen this is an "Avalon" team play with the original poster being followed within minutes of posting with comments of adoration, a ploy that has become much more noticeable in recent times.[/QUOTE]


snoweagle,
I just read this and am assuming that the "team play" you refer to was me. It's actually a substantially unfair assessment/accusation on your part that it is a ploy. It's funny because I personally don't post often and have no "relationship" or knowledge to the original poster. I sincerely was awakened by reading the CWG series and it served as a great primer for me many years ago. And, I just happened to open the post within minutes of the original posting. Maybe we should all just let it be and allow each of to awaken in our way. I don't think any of us have the absolute answers anyway!

Nevertheless, I certainly agree with your comment that "much better use of your time will be found working in your community amongst the real problems affecting us all" - without wanting to sound "adoring", I thank YOU for that reminder.

Nancy

[foreverfan]

Yea... I don't know Nancy. I'm in the USA in Louisiana at the end of the Mississippi River/New Orleans.

This is really odd because I have used this avatar for years and I just figured this out.

My avatar is me (kitten) who has rejected mankind's creation of religion. I have walls up to protect myself. Still, I can never really understand life by protecting myself. But I can not question that I am here to experience consciousness. (This is why I am at this website.) But how can I do that trying to protect what I don't know. I have to take the time to grow in thought to experience consciousness. This is what the whole subject/movie/book is about.

Actually I originally chose my avatar because it looked funny and cute. :nod:

[regnak]

forever fan I have watched about 15 minutes of the movie it is good excellent even ;)

[Ernie Nemeth]

Conversation with God was a miracle of the highest order.

It changed the view of the relationship between deity and mankind for millions of people who up until that time had been under the false impression that higher wisdom could not be attained through communion with source.

For me it was earth-shattering in terms of potential. Suddenly a connection was possible - was HAPPENING!

Yes, there is a lot of naiveté that initially goes along with that magnificent realization. And a lot of false steps may be taken, a lot of dead ends visited. Still, once the door is open and one walks through...nothing is ever the same again.

And the greatest result, in my opinion, is the inevitable and irresistible impetus to change, to improve, to understand. It becomes an insatiable need to know that over time improves its aim and its ability to discern so that progress becomes easier and more direct.

How much of that was the result of reading all of Neale Donald Walsh's books, I do not know. His was only one of many, many, many others and their work...

Excellent books. Thanks Op

[Robin]

I have not watched the videos, and don't intend to, but I would agree with much of what snoweagle says.

I have no issues in people believing what they want to believe, so long as they don't force their beliefs on others or cause harm to others. If you want to look as "God" as a supreme being that is external from humanity, then so be it. If you want to label "God" as embodying masculine energy, and even go so far as capitalizing the "H" in "He" and "Him", then so be it.

But do understand that We should take credit for some things that We manifest, instead of saying that an external force has blessed every single circumstance and that We need to bow down to this force in submission of its power. Humans are powerful creatures, and We can do incredible things if We align ourselves to Truth and think, feel, and act in accordance to compassion and understanding.

As far as labeling "God" as a male, I am constantly appalled by this. I have known feminists and passionate gender-equality activists who are women say that "God," the force of creation (birthing) is a male and that they admit that they are inferior to this force. They have literally said this strait to my face, and I can't help but find a substantial amount of hypocrisy in their behavior. And we wonder why we live in a male-dominated collective culture...

I prefer not to put a label on this "God" force. Why can't We all be "God," manifested in this current reality as fractals of the whole to experience Ourself in different ways so as to better understand what We are? As above so below...We are all divine beings that have the creation force inside of Us. We communicate with "God" every day because We are "God." In a sense We are talking with Ourself when We communicate with other mind/spirit/body complexes in this reality. ;)

[Ernie Nemeth]

I think this is a matter of perspective and background.

I was subjected to a strict catholic upbringing. Until I was twelve everyone thought I would become a priest - except me. I was terrified of the prospect. But pray as I might I never got a response. I rejected my religion at 14. I was then lost for decades. My programming was strong, very strong. Not until I was 40 did I even know a response could be had. And those books opened that doorway, and I walked through...

I may have been blind in my youth but once that door opens, blindness is no longer an option. A lot of grasping at straws resulted. A lot of programming busted...a lot of disinfo vetted. But the connection has grown deeper, broader, more poignant. My relation to the connection has changed. Source doesn't change.

The other side, our dark side, responds to our every effort in a manner designed to resist the change. Its powers are the powers we refuse to admit are ours. It works across time, dimension, and in and through all people not in full control of their destinies. It works through us, against us. That is the nature of the door. It is the door to the dark side. And you walking through it is analogous to bringing the light to the dark. Or, in plain speak, reacquainting one's light aspect with the dark aspects that have been denied and ignored.

But to each their own.

[Lefty Dave]

Greetings,
Funny you should post this...I've been re-listening to this series for the third time...an hour or two each day...for the last year...I get more out of it each time...feels most sincere and understandable...and makes much more sense to me than the decades of mind molding my parents and priests used to ply upon my mind. Thanks for REMINDING us all..
Blessings.
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[cloud9]

I'm sorry, double post.

[cloud9]

Am of the very strongest opinion, without even participating in viewing, that this series, eight and half hours, is the biggest load of garbage ever. No doubt it will be extremely well manufactured with all "bell and whistles" to "SELL" the concept and beliefs to troubled minds.

There were no Gods, there are no Gods and there never will be any Gods.

The human creature, mankind, is an electrical being that binds empathatically within it's community and environment. This entire process is electrical. The infusion of "gods" distracts and focuses the mind, by seperating the real social need from the imaginary, purported by "holy" decrees. It is classical seperation of mind and body to a fiction.

I strongly recommend ignoring this thread and the participation it demands as much better use of your time will be found working in your community amongst the real problems affecting us all.

Furthermore, it can be clearly seen this is an "Avalon" team play with the original poster being followed within minutes of posting with comments of adoration, a ploy that has become much more noticeable in recent times.

Just a very simple question: Have you read the books?

With all due respect, I don't think you have. There's not even one sentence in these books about the "gods", even more so they speak strongly against organized religion and the misinterpretation of the bible and its message, same for all religions on earth past and present.

These wonderful books go into quantum physics and many explanations about what we call reality and how it works. The first one is about our personal lives and struggles, the second one is about the state of the planet and possible solutions to the mess we are in and the third is about the universe in general, what's wrong with that?

In any case, these books are not about the biblical God and your perception seems to be based on the title. Personally I love them I've read them several times, there's so much wisdom and in them.

[Snoweagle]

[QUOTE=Snoweagle;902143]

Absolutely correct I have not read the books. I have as yet not seen these documentaries. In view of the various members praising the message of the content which apparently has nothing to do with God at all, then I intend to watch them sometime.

My angst was raised when I logged in for the first time (for months) to be greeted by effectively the "God Channel" and as there were no summaries associated with any of the seperate movies and considering the considerable length of time to commit was just to unsavoury to leave without a protective comment (by me) to warn people not to become involved.

However, now the thread bristles with compliments for this production, apparently made in 1993, that I now have to book some time to watch as well.

[aranuk]

The COG books I have read. When the 2nd book came out I was reading it the same day. I could hardly put them down. I remember I was also reading them while driving the car. When the traffic lights changed to red I was snatching a few more sentences. Great books in my opinion.

The video posted in the first post was nice.

Stan

[ZooLife]

The clearest most concise conversations with God (if it's God we are sincerely talking about here) are when one stops talking and listening.

[cloud9]

Here one of my favorite videos which I see from time to time, a good reminder...

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[Delight]

Thanks for posting the movie. I never knew the history behind the books but the books i did read and they at the time were really nice words. I read some of the comments.

Some of us believe in God or don't believe in God or call god various names or don't call on any name. IF there is God or whatever God is, the funny part to me is that my own relationship is all I will ever have known about the matter. I could be told anything at all once (as when the books came along) and it would still sound like Nothing but words. I could be told nothing at all now and still have Something. That something reminds me of what Neale had...burning questions and willingness Finally to have an answer.

In my life, the relationship has definitely become personal, become valuable, nothing to do with religion and everything to do with becoming human. God by whatever name I choose to call does answer. And when I listen, I hear my own inner divinity saying "I am and you are too. I am love and you are too". Thanks for giving me this opportunity to speak of this so ineffable and so real experience. Maggie

[foreverfan]

Did anybody ever make it through this yet? I can't stop listening to it over and over because it makes so much sense to the nonreligious person. :thumb:

[Omni]

In my view the closest thing to hearing god is listening to nature, feeling nature. Or alternatively the soulular stuff that comes from within. I am a firm atheist in terms of a God that is a conscious being. I haven't checked the video but I may when I get more time(if its still up). Seems it has ruffled some feathers. No great work ever goes by uncriticized. Although I tend to think snoweagle may be right in a lot of things...

[foreverfan]

Entire Book One PDF (http://www.universe-people.com/english/svetelna_knihovna/htm/en/en_kniha_conversations_with_god_1.htm)


Thanks for everyone's comments. This book changed the way I feel about a lot of things. It will doubt make sense to even the most nonreligious person too.

Part of the Beginning of the Book.... Outstanding!
Not what you are taught in Religion class. :sun:




Intrigued, I asked God to expand on this subject. Here’s what God said:


First, let’s exchange the word talk with the word communicate. It’s a much better word, a much fuller more accurate one. When we try to speak to each other—Me to you, you to Me, we are immediately constricted by the unbelievable limitation of words. For this reason, I do not communicate by words alone. In fact, rarely do I do so. My most common form of communication is through feeling.

Feeling is the language of the soul. If you want to know what’s true for you about something, look to how you’re feeling about it. Feelings are sometimes difficult to discover—and often even more difficult to acknowledge. Yet hidden in your deepest feelings is your highest truth.

The trick is to get to those feelings. I will show you how. Again. If you wish.

I told God that I did wish, but that right now I wished even more for a complete and full answer to my first question. Here’s what God said:


I also communicate with thought. Thought and feelings are not the same, although they can occur at the same time. In communicating with thought, I often use images and pictures. For this reason, thoughts are more effective than mere words as tools of communication.

In addition to feelings and thoughts, I also use the vehicle of experience as a grand communicator. And finally, when feelings and thoughts and experience all fail, I use words. Words are really the least effective communicator. They are most open to misinterpretation, most often misunderstood.

And why is that? It is because of what words are. Words are merely utterances: noises that stand for feelings, thoughts, and experience. They are symbols. Signs. Insignias. They are not Truth. They are not the real thing.

Words may help you understand something. Experience allows you to know. Yet there are some things you cannot experience. So I have given you other tools of knowing. And these are called feelings. And so too, thoughts.

Now the supreme irony here is that you have all placed so much importance on the Word of God, and so little on the experience. In fact, you place so little value on experience that when what you experience of God differs from what you’ve heard of God, you automatically discard the experience and own the words, when it should be just the other way around.

Your experience and your feelings about a thing represent what you factually and intuitively know about that thing. Words can only seek to symbolize what you know, and can often confuse what you know.

These, then, are the tools with which I communicate, yet they are not the methods, for not all feelings, not all thoughts, not all experience, and not all words are from Me. Many words have been uttered by others, in My name. Many thoughts and many feelings have been sponsored by causes not of My direct creation. Many experiences result from these. The challenge is one of discernment. The difficulty is knowing the difference between messages from God and data from other sources. Discrimination is a simple matter with the application of a basic rule:

Mine is always your Highest Thought, your Clearest Word, your Grandest Feeling. Anything less is from another source. Now the task of differentiation becomes easy, for it should not be difficult even for the beginning student to identify the Highest, the Clearest, and the Grandest.

Yet will I give you these guidelines:

The Highest Thought is always that thought which contains joy. The Clearest Words are those words which contain truth. The Grandest Feeling is that feeling which you call love. Joy, truth, love. These three are interchangeable, and one always leads to the other. It matters not in which order they are placed.

Having with these guidelines determined which messages are Mine and which have come from another source, the only question remaining is whether My messages will be heeded. Most of My messages are not. Some, because they seem too good to be true. Others, because they seem too difficult to follow. Many, because they are simply misunderstood. Most, because they are not received.

My most powerful messenger is experience, and even this you ignore. Especially this you ignore. Your world would not be in its present condition were you to have simply listened to your experience. The result of your not listening to your experience is that you keep re-living it, over and over again. For My purpose will not be thwarted, nor My will be ignored. You will get the message. Sooner or later. I will not force you to, however. I will never coerce you. For I have given you a free will—the power to do as you choose—and I will never take that away from you, ever.

And so I will continue sending you the same messages over and over again, throughout the millennia and to whatever corner of the universe you occupy. Endlessly will I send you My messages, until you have received them and held them close, calling them your own. My messages will come in a hundred forms, at a thousand moments, across a million years. You cannot miss them if you truly listen. You cannot ignore them once truly heard. Thus will our communication begin in earnest. For in the past you have only talked to Me, praying to Me, interceding with Me, beseeching Me. Yet now can I talk back to you, even as I am doing here.

How can I know this communication is from God? How do I know this is not my own imagination?


What would be the difference? Do you not see that I could just as easily work through your imagination as anything else? I will bring you the exact right thoughts, words or feelings, at any given moment, suited precisely to the purpose at hand, using one device, or several. You will know these words are from Me because you, of your own accord, have never spoken so clearly. Had you already spoken so clearly on these questions, you would not be asking them.

To whom does God communicate? Are there special people? Are there special times?


All people are special, and all moments are golden. There is no person and there is no time one more special than another. Many people choose to believe that God communicates in special ways and only with special people. This removes the mass of the people from responsibility for hearing My message, much less receiving it (which is another matter), and allows them to take someone else’s word for everything. You don’t have to listen to Me, for you’ve already decided that others have heard from Me on every subject, and you have them to listen to.

By listening to what other people think they heard Me say, you don’t have to think at all. This is the biggest reason for most people turning from My messages on a personal level. If you acknowledge that you are receiving My messages directly, then you are responsible for interpreting them. It is far safer and much easier to accept the interpretation of others (even others who have lived 2,000 years ago) than seek to interpret the message you may very well be receiving in this moment now. Yet I invite you to a new form of communication with God. A two-way communication. In truth, it is you who have invited Me. For I have come to you, in this form, right now, in answer to your call.

Why do some people, take Christ, for example, seem to hear more of Your communication than others?



Because some people are willing to actually listen. They are willing to hear, and they are willing to remain open to the communication even when it seems scary, or crazy, or downright wrong.

We should listen to God even when what’s being said seems wrong?

Especially when it seems wrong. If you think you are right about everything, who needs to talk with God?

Go ahead and act on all that you know. But notice that you’ve all been doing that since time began. And look at what shape the world is in. Clearly, you’ve missed something. Obviously, there is something you don’t understand. That which you do understand must seem right to you, because “right” is a term you use to designate something with which you agree. What you’ve missed will, therefore, appear at first to be “wrong.”

The only way to move forward on this is to ask yourself, “What would happen if everything I thought was ‘wrong’ was actually ‘right’?” Every great scientist knows about this. When what a scientist does is not working, a scientist sets aside all of the assumptions and starts over. All great discoveries have been made from a willingness, and ability, to not be right. And that’s what’s needed here.

You cannot know God until you’ve stopped telling yourself that you already know God. You cannot hear God until you stop thinking that you’ve already heard God.

I cannot tell you My Truth until you stop telling Me yours.

But my truth about God comes from You.

Who said so?

Others.

What others?

Leaders. Ministers. Rabbis. Priests. Books. The Bible, for heaven’s sake!

Those are not authoritative sources.

They aren’t?

No.

Then what is?

Listen to your feelings. Listen to your Highest Thoughts. Listen to your experience. Whenever any one of these differ from what you’ve been told by your teachers, or read in your books, forget the words. Words are the least reliable purveyor of Truth.

There is so much I want to say to You, so much I want to ask. I don’t know where to begin. For instance, why is it that You do not reveal Yourself? If there really is a God, and You are It, why do You not reveal Yourself in a way we can all understand?


I have done so, over and over. I am doing so again right now.

No. I mean by a method of revelation that is incontrovertible; that cannot be denied.


Such as?

Such as appearing right now before my eyes.

I am doing so right now.

Where?

Everywhere you look.

No, I mean in an incontrovertible way. In a way no man could deny.

What way would that be? In what form or shape would you have Me appear?

In the form or shape that you actually have.

That would be impossible, for I have no form or shape you understand. I could adopt a form or shape that you could understand, but then everyone would assume that what they have seen is the one and only form and shape of God, rather than a form or shape of God—one of many.

People believe I am what they see Me as, rather than what they do not see. But I am the Great Unseen, not what I cause Myself to be in any particular moment. In a sense, I am what I am not. It is from the am-notness that I come, and to it I always return.

Yet when I come in one particular form or another—a form in which I think people can understand Me—people assign Me that form forevermore. And should I come in any other form, to any other people, the first say I did not appear to the second, because I did not look to the second as I did to the first, nor say the same things—so how could it have been Me? You see, then, it matters not in what form or in what manner I reveal Myself—whatever manner I choose and whatever form I take, none will be incontrovertible.


THE BOOK GETS BETTER AND BETTER MAKING YOU THINK ABOUT THINGS YOU NEVER WERE TAUGHT GOD WOULD EVER TELL YOU.

[transiten]

F.y.i. "God" is not "he" Please use your imagination to find another word, words do mean something and it's tiring to hear this constant repetition of male connotation. At least type he/she or just repeat the word "God" instead of the personal pronoun "he" :(

:sun:

[greybeard]

Neale Donald Walsch had a conversation with Eckhart Tolle where he said to Eckhart that he wished he had Eckharts calm and quiet mind.
The difference being that Eckhart is enlightened Neale is not
Neale tended to talk of "God" as being a separate entity. Eckhart does no speak of god, as such, the name being overused and miss-understood.
Eckhart see Oneness not separation.

I read all of Neale's early books and benefited greatly--they are an ideal starting point but the truth of what you are is not covered fully in my opinion.

The Power of Now, and other books by Eckhart, sales far exceed any other spiritual teachers books.

There are quite a few "teachers" of enlightened Truth, Adyashanti, Mooji, Ramana Maharshi, Nasargadatta, Yogananda, Dr David Hawkins and many others.
If "Conversations with God" does it for anyone that's great---I enjoyed that at the time --about eighteen years back.
I shared that find with great enthusiasm.

Regards Chris

[foreverfan]

Neale Donald Walsch had a conversation with Eckhart Tolle where he said to Eckhart that he wished he had Eckharts calm and quiet mind.
The difference being that Eckhart is enlightened Neale is not
Neale tended to talk of "God" as being a separate entity. Eckhart does no speak of god, as such, the name being overused and miss-understood.
Eckhart see Oneness not separation.

I read all of Neale's early books and benefited greatly--they are an ideal starting point but the truth of what you are is not covered fully in my opinion.

The Power of Now, and other books by Eckhart, sales far exceed any other spiritual teachers books.

There are quite a few "teachers" of enlightened Truth, Adyashanti, Mooji, Ramana Maharshi, Nasargadatta, Yogananda, Dr David Hawkins and many others.
If "Conversations with God" does it for anyone that's great---I enjoyed that at the time --about eighteen years back.
I shared that find with great enthusiasm.

Regards Chris

Have to look that up. Thanks

[Innocent Warrior]

Neale Donald Walsch had a conversation with Eckhart Tolle where he said to Eckhart that he wished he had Eckharts calm and quiet mind.
The difference being that Eckhart is enlightened Neale is not
Neale tended to talk of "God" as being a separate entity. Eckhart does no speak of god, as such, the name being overused and miss-understood.
Eckhart see Oneness not separation.

I read all of Neale's early books and benefited greatly--they are an ideal starting point but the truth of what you are is not covered fully in my opinion.

The Power of Now, and other books by Eckhart, sales far exceed any other spiritual teachers books.

There are quite a few "teachers" of enlightened Truth, Adyashanti, Mooji, Ramana Maharshi, Nasargadatta, Yogananda, Dr David Hawkins and many others.
If "Conversations with God" does it for anyone that's great---I enjoyed that at the time --about eighteen years back.
I shared that find with great enthusiasm.

Regards Chris

You know I adore Tolle, but I give Conversations with God more credit than you have. God spoke to me one day and I learned that God does present himself/herself/itself (for the sake of brevity, addressing as her) as a separate entity, if you address her as such. In saying that, when God does this, it is made clear, that all is one and there is no separation, it's in the energy.

As Neal did, I began the conversation by having a powerful, pure desire to know the answer to a couple of questions I had about God and humanity. I addressed God, and she answered, in the same way as she did with Walsh, with God's presence coming onto my right shoulder etc. The thing about God talking to you is that when it happens there is zero doubt that it's God, because it's God. Even though Walsh's level of enlightenment isn't as vibrationally high as a spiritual master, such as the ones you mentioned, his message is just as powerful, it just has a different purpose.

Not to argue, I understand what you're saying, and why, which is of great importance. I want to add this because I believe if someone is attracted to Walsh's books, there's a reason, and an enlightened master isn't going to be better for them at that moment.

God will talk to anyone who's open to it, that's Walsh's most powerful message, imo. Words are not sufficient to convey an experience like that.

[Delight]

I addressed God, and she answered, in the same way as she did with Walsh, with God's presence coming onto my right shoulder etc. The thing about God talking to you is that when it happens there is zero doubt that it's God, because it's God. Even though Walsh's level of enlightenment isn't as vibrationally high as a spiritual master, such as the ones you mentioned, his message is just as powerful, it just has a different purpose.

Not to argue, I understand what you're saying, and why, which is of great importance. I want to add this because I believe if someone is attracted to Walsh's books, there's a reason, and an enlightened master isn't going to be better for them at that moment.

God will talk to anyone who's open to it, that's Walsh's most powerful message, imo. Words are not sufficient to convey an experience like that.

That sense of a Presence undoubted as a connection to "God" (shorthand for an inner/outer self/other greater than I and dependable on for me) unmistaken and answers to me for me of my questions is very real.

What Eckhert Tolle has or Neal Walsh or anyone has of their connection to ???(WORDS) is definitely a unique one IMO. The VERY FACT that God (shorthand) communicates with each of us directly really is the profound point for me also. I need the Presence of God to be a tangible sense and experience and the kingdom is within but the experience is also in the sense of being connected by synchronicity and poetry and words of wisdom that show up....God talking.

[greybeard]

Evolution of Awareness - A Conversation with Neale Donald Walsch and Eckhart Tolle
A very honest conversation.
I dont underestimate the effectiveness of Neale's teaching however if you look to be enlightened then its essential to listen to one who is there--in my opinion.
Neale is pointing out that he is not there yet!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paQ1gMCxrwo

[Innocent Warrior]

That sense of a Presence undoubted as a connection to "God" (shorthand for an inner/outer self/other greater than I and dependable on for me) unmistaken and answers to me for me of my questions is very real.

What Eckhert Tolle has or Neal Walsh or anyone has of their connection to ???(WORDS) is definitely a unique one IMO. The VERY FACT that God (shorthand) communicates with each of us directly really is the profound point for me also. I need the Presence of God to be a tangible sense and experience and the kingdom is within but the experience is also in the sense of being connected by synchronicity and poetry and words of wisdom that show up....God talking.

Yes, this is also discussed in Walsh's book and it explains that literally speaking to us is like a last resort (I was really hurt at that time) and that God speaks to us in all those ways.

[Delight]

That sense of a Presence undoubted as a connection to "God" (shorthand for an inner/outer self/other greater than I and dependable on for me) unmistaken and answers to me for me of my questions is very real.

What Eckhert Tolle has or Neal Walsh or anyone has of their connection to ???(WORDS) is definitely a unique one IMO. The VERY FACT that God (shorthand) communicates with each of us directly really is the profound point for me also. I need the Presence of God to be a tangible sense and experience and the kingdom is within but the experience is also in the sense of being connected by synchronicity and poetry and words of wisdom that show up....God talking.

Yes, this is also discussed in Walsh's book and it explains that literally speaking to us is like a last resort (I was really hurt at that time) and that God speaks to us in all those ways.

for me the main issue was that I did not have the sense of being in communication and slowly, this sense is opening and despite the fact that I am NOT enlighetened, I am more and more willing to just be peaceful.

The reasn I am chiming in on this post is just because I am just as messed up in my personality as ever but I FEEL I have a direct ally I can connect in and feel secure in...no doctrines, no rules, only "I AM here with you always"....big and bold loving and has my back. I have no idea what to call HE/R except Go(o)d.

And IMO every single person will have this connection when desired. I heard that from HE/R. Love, Maggie

[Innocent Warrior]

for me the main issue was that I did not have the sense of being in communication and slowly, this sense is opening and despite the fact that I am NOT enlighetened, I am more and more willing to just be peaceful.

The reasn I am chiming in on this post is just because I am just as messed up in my personality as ever but I FEEL I have a direct ally I can connect in and feel secure in...no doctrines, no rules, only "I AM here with you always"....big and bold loving and has my back. I have no idea what to call HE/R except Go(o)d.

And IMO every single person will have this connection when desired. I heard that from HE/R. Love, Maggie

Thank you for explaining perfectly, another point I was trying to find the words for. Precisely.

@Chris - I was trying to highlight the importance of Walsh's message, which seemed diminished by your comparison to Tolle etc. Apologies for any misunderstanding.

[greybeard]

I agree with praying--asking for help, I do it all the time---in Ultimate reality the Presence you are praying to is Self
Its not out with you --it does not come from afar--it is always there you are just not always aware of its Presence.
Another word for enlightenment is Self Realisation.
Its simple yet the mind makes it complex. Only "God" is and you are That pretending to be an individual human.
However its an experience to be treasured.

Most of this post may seem crazy and I would have thought that I had lost it years back but bit by bit I came to believe there is "Only One without a second" There is no hurry--all is as it should be.

Best wishes
Chris

[greybeard]

for me the main issue was that I did not have the sense of being in communication and slowly, this sense is opening and despite the fact that I am NOT enlighetened, I am more and more willing to just be peaceful.

The reasn I am chiming in on this post is just because I am just as messed up in my personality as ever but I FEEL I have a direct ally I can connect in and feel secure in...no doctrines, no rules, only "I AM here with you always"....big and bold loving and has my back. I have no idea what to call HE/R except Go(o)d.

And IMO every single person will have this connection when desired. I heard that from HE/R. Love, Maggie

Thank you for explaining perfectly, another point I was trying to find the words for. Precisely.

@Chris - I was trying to highlight the importance of Walsh's message, which seemed diminished by your comparison to Tolle etc. Apologies for any misunderstanding.

Rachel I am not diminishing Walsh--and have said it was helpful to me several times here.
If you have listened to the video I just posted then you will perhaps see where I am coming from and that's Walsh making comparison with his state and Eckhart's not me.

Walsh--Eckhart and others have been and continue to be a great help to me.
I suppose if one is of major current influence then it would be Mooji a year from now it could be another, but the message is similar.
Its an evolution.

Much love to you

Chris

[Innocent Warrior]

for me the main issue was that I did not have the sense of being in communication and slowly, this sense is opening and despite the fact that I am NOT enlighetened, I am more and more willing to just be peaceful.

The reasn I am chiming in on this post is just because I am just as messed up in my personality as ever but I FEEL I have a direct ally I can connect in and feel secure in...no doctrines, no rules, only "I AM here with you always"....big and bold loving and has my back. I have no idea what to call HE/R except Go(o)d.

And IMO every single person will have this connection when desired. I heard that from HE/R. Love, Maggie

Thank you for explaining perfectly, another point I was trying to find the words for. Precisely.

@Chris - I was trying to highlight the importance of Walsh's message, which seemed diminished by your comparison to Tolle etc. Apologies for any misunderstanding.

Rachel I am not diminishing Walsh--and have said it was helpful to me several times here.
If you have listened to the video I just posted then you will perhaps see where I am coming from and that's Walsh making comparison with his state and Eckhart's not me.

Walsh--Eckhart and others have been and continue to be a great help to me.
I suppose if one is of major current influence then it would be Mooji a year from now it could be another, but the message is similar.
Its an evolution.

Much love to you

Chris

Got it, and your previous post doesn't seem at all crazy to me. Much love to you too, Chris.

[Delight]

I agree with praying--asking for help, I do it all the time---in Ultimate reality the Presence you are praying to is Self
Its not out with you --it does not come from afar--it is always there you are just not always aware of its Presence.
Another word for enlightenment is Self Realisation.
Its simple yet the mind makes it complex. Only "God" is and you are That pretending to be an individual human.
However its an experience to be treasured.

Most of this post may seem crazy and I would have thought that I had lost it years back but bit by bit I came to believe there is "Only One without a second" There is no hurry--all is as it should be.

Best wishes
Chris

I always appreciate your insights developed along your road.

I am aware of the state that some have of what is called "nondual".
It must be true that there is no hurry to "get enlightened" and lose any sense of ego. I do not know what that feels like and I might have been sad about my lack of knowing before I met the Presence.
The pain of comparison with others and lack of living up to ideas of "spiritual" IMO for me came just because I had no relationship with a sense of Presence.

Now when I hear anyone say "I have a personal relationship" with (fill in the blank), I feel such a rejoicing for that reconnection.
Sure the RELATIONSHIP feels like an other and it feels like myself and it feels like the coin's two side are joined.
Relationship allows me to know where I messed up without fear.
It allows me to look at me and know that love made me and all is well.

I felt that the mental striving to understand how to get to God was a desert but in that desert walk, I did find a spring.
I love praising what i feel as Go(o)d working in my reality.

Just this morning before I got out of bed, I was having communication.
Lately I have had some personality issues that are unclear.
The Presence was with me on this subject.
I felt I may actually change my habits as I have a larger place to stand on.

I post out of love for Go(o)d however S/He appears. Go(o)d to me is juicy and lively and forgiving and filling. These are what I feel and where it comes from is a msytery of no wordings.....

[greybeard]

Delight, I am very happy for you and its great that you share what is happening.
The most marvellous thing is to give hope to others and you do this so well.
Much love
Chris

[Craig]

I have recently stumbled upon these books and BAM it was like a physical blow, I read about things that answered questions in the back of mind that had lay dormant for years, I even cried at times, probably with relief possibly other reasons. But then something happened that knocked me for six, book 2 chapter 17, I will try and quote

"There have been those leaders among you who have been insightful enough and brave enough to propose the beginnings of such a new world order. Your George Bush, whom history will judge to be a man of far greater wisdom, vision, compassion, and courage than contemporary society was willing or able to acknowledge, was such a leader."

Is this correct? Can it be true? What are your thoughts about this? It deflated me quite a bit....

[ozmirage]

Interesting report of an interaction with a Deity (or THE Deity).
...
...
And yet, at times, in visiting Locale II, a very unusual event periodically occurs. It makes no difference where in Locale II, the event is the same.

In the midst of normal activity, whatever it may be, there is a distant Signal, almost like heraldic trumpets. Everyone takes the Signal calmly, and with it, everyone stops speaking or whatever he may be doing. It is the Signal that He (or They) is coming through His Kingdom. There is no awestruck prostration or falling down on one's knees. Rather, the attitude is most matter-of-fact. It is an occurrence to which all are accustomed and to comply takes absolute precedence over everything. There are no exceptions.

At the Signal, each living thing lies down-my impression is on their backs, bodies arched to expose the abdomen (not the genitals), with head turned to one side so that one does not see Him as He passes by. The purpose seems to be to form a living road over which He can travel. I have gleaned the idea that occasionally He will select someone from this living bridge, and that person is never seen or heard from again. The purpose of the abdominal exposure is an expression of faith and complete submissiveness, the abdomen being the most vulnerable part of the body or the area that can suffer damage most easily. There is no movement, not even thought, as He passes by. Everything has come to a momentary standstill, full and complete, while He passes.

In the several times that I have experienced this, I lay down with the others. At the time, the thought of doing otherwise was inconceivable. As He passes, there is a roaring musical sound and a feeling of radiant, irresistible living force of ultimate power that peaks overhead and fades in the distance. I remember wondering once what would happen to me if He discovered my presence, as a temporary visitor. I wasn't sure I wanted to find out.

After His passing, everyone gets up again and resumes their activities.

There is no comment or mention of the incident, no further thought of it. There is complete acceptance of the event as an ordinary part of their lives, and this is the great yet subtle difference. It is an action as casual as halting for a traffic light at a busy intersection, or waiting at the railroad crossing when the signal indicates that a train is coming; you are unconcerned and yet feel unspoken respect for the power represented in the passing train. The event is also impersonal.

Is this God? Or God's son? Or His representative?

- - - Robert Monroe, Journeys out of the Body


FWIW - I had a similar but not quite identical encounter OOB. YMMV.

[Mike]

I'm really glad this thread has been resurrected...because theres been a question burning inside me for some time regarding this material, and that is this:

How do you guys reconcile all the wonderful material in the books with "God's" effusive praise for George Bush Sr and Bill Clinton...2 people regarded almost unanimously as rapists and murderers in the so called conspiracy world?

I'll admit, its been quite difficult for me.

These books changed my life. I found them when I was in my early 20's, and they represented a huge revelation for me.

But here I am now, in the "conspiracy" world, where these 2 men represent all that is evil and wrong with the world...

Have we been wrong about these men all along? Or did God get it wrong? Did Neale just forget to eat his wheaties that day..making him a poor "filter" for communication?

Waddya guys think?

[Craig]

I'm really glad this thread has been resurrected...because theres been a question burning inside me for some time regarding this material, and that is this:

How do you guys reconcile all the wonderful material in the books with "God's" effusive praise for George Bush Sr and Bill Clinton...2 people regarded almost unanimously as rapists and murderers in the so called conspiracy world?

I'll admit, its been quite difficult for me.

These books changed my life. I found them when I was in my early 20's, and they represented a huge revelation for me.

But here I am now, in the "conspiracy" world, where these 2 men represent all that is evil and wrong with the world...

Have we been wrong about these men all along? Or did God get it wrong? Did Neale just forget to eat his wheaties that day..making him a poor "filter" for communication?

Waddya guys think?

Bingo! I am still toying with the idea of God having an awesome sense of humour, but even with free will and all, surely God can see the machinations of evil beginning early on?? Or is it just horses for courses at that pinpoint of time? (which is vertical and not horizontal) I don't expect to agree with 100% of what I have read, but this is a big un.

[Mike]

I'm really glad this thread has been resurrected...because theres been a question burning inside me for some time regarding this material, and that is this:

How do you guys reconcile all the wonderful material in the books with "God's" effusive praise for George Bush Sr and Bill Clinton...2 people regarded almost unanimously as rapists and murderers in the so called conspiracy world?

I'll admit, its been quite difficult for me.

These books changed my life. I found them when I was in my early 20's, and they represented a huge revelation for me.

But here I am now, in the "conspiracy" world, where these 2 men represent all that is evil and wrong with the world...

Have we been wrong about these men all along? Or did God get it wrong? Did Neale just forget to eat his wheaties that day..making him a poor "filter" for communication?

Waddya guys think?

Bingo! I am still toying with the idea of God having an awesome sense of humour, but even with free will and all, surely God can see the machinations of evil beginning early on?? Or is it just horses for courses at that pinpoint of time? (which is vertical and not horizontal) I don't expect to agree with 100% of what I have read, but this is a big un.

Hey Craig,

I just noticed where you brought this topic up a few posts back. Perhaps I should read the thread first before commenting;)

At any rate, I'm just as anxious for feedback as you are on this one. Very befuddling???

Cheers

[Eram]

How do you guys reconcile all the wonderful material in the books with "God's" effusive praise for George Bush Sr and Bill Clinton...

Wow,

I had forgotten all about that!
I read those books in the nineties and was deeply inspired and changed by them.

a quick search on the internet came up with som quotes from N.D. Walsch where he professes a world government:


“I dare you to throw out all your money, all your papers and coins and individual national currencies, and start over. Develop an international monetary system that is wide open, totally visible, immediately traceable, completely accountable. Establish a worldwide Compensation System by which people would be given Credits for services rendered and products produced, and Debits for services used and products consumed.”pg 186 Conversations with God Book 2.

“Nothing breeds fairness faster than visibility. Visibility is another word for truth.” Pg 186 Conversation with God Book 2.


“...same could be made to happen with the 160 nation states in the world today if they were to join together in a United Federation. It could mean an end to war.” Pg 148 Conversations with God Book 2.


“There have been those leaders among you who have been insightful enough and brave enough to propose the beginnings of such a new world order. Your George Bush, whom history will judge to be a man of far greater wisdom, compassion and courage than contemporary society was willing or able to acknowledge was such a leader.” Pg 199 Conversation with God Book 2.

"the short- term solution....a new, worldwide, government." Pg 199 Conversation with God Book 2.

He all but promotes the RFID chip!

[greybeard]

In theory a one world Government makes sense.
BUT not under the current elite rule.
One world,one government, without separate countries, should be non war environment.

However the human race is not evolved enough yet, in my opinion, to live without friction and violence.
All down to ego--that thinks ---You are separate, different from me, I am superior, you have something I want, I will take it, what's mine is mine, you got it wrong, I got it right etc.
Most countries have gone through civil war as part of their collective evolution.

N. D. Walsch ---his books were perhaps partly influenced by his own mind set---on the whole the books are positive but not enlightened.
Walsch himself does not claim to be enlightened. See post 41 with video

Chris

[Eram]

It's good to see the best in people greybeard, but when a spiritual leader who influences millions of lives writes:


“There have been those leaders among you who have been insightful enough and brave enough to propose the beginnings of such a new world order. Your George Bush, whom history will judge to be a man of far greater wisdom, compassion and courage than contemporary society was willing or able to acknowledge was such a leader.” Pg 199 Conversation with God Book 2.

Well.... It makes me go sit down and chew on that for some time before I will consider to give him the benefit of the doubt. ;)

[greybeard]

It's good to see the best in people greybeard, but when a spiritual leader who influences millions of lives writes:


“There have been those leaders among you who have been insightful enough and brave enough to propose the beginnings of such a new world order. Your George Bush, whom history will judge to be a man of far greater wisdom, compassion and courage than contemporary society was willing or able to acknowledge was such a leader.” Pg 199 Conversation with God Book 2.

Well.... It makes me go sit down and chew on that for some time before I will consider to give him the benefit of the doubt. ;)

Yes Eram I agree that the part you have pasted in is not something I can agree with.
The moment a "Spiritual teacher" promotes anyone or anything I wonder about where they are coming from--, the truly enlightened are compassionate but neutral and not known for giving opinions on worldly matters.

Chris

[Soda]

I have met Neal in person, and attended his multi-day seminars and got to know him well. This is a good man with a good message. All revolutions/movements toward progression of mankind in history have been hijacked. This man was hijacked as well. He made references in person as to how he wasn't happy about the way they've made him appear in the "Secret" and on "Oprah" and such. These books are absolute game-changers. IGNORE and THROW AWAY the New World Order stuff the publishers made him insert in there and you are good to go. There was no way the secret to life and the universe was going to get out in fifty different languages without it leading us into the arms of Papa Bush and Mama Clinton. I am grateful these books landed in my lap 22 years ago. I feel it's our time to stop the abuse/oppression cycle and stop all of this madness with trying to control one another. These books are basic 1st grade material if you want a chance to get through to the other side. In my humble opinion, of course.:bowing:

[cloud9]

Everything is a matter of perspective. The ones feeling troubled by the idea of throwing away all money and having one world government, etc., please don't forget that what it's been said in the books is really about GETTING RID OF SECRECY, the elites of this world have accumulated such power because of the secrecy in which they do everything they do, as you can see in the book the concept of visibility is very well explained as the tool we need to change and heal the world. Visibility for everybody and everything, no secrets at all.... it's like being telepathic, nobody can lie, it's impossible.

[Craig]

I would hazard a guess it is like sorting the wheat from chaff, I have only just started on book 3 and then I plan to reread the lot again, the amount of aha moments I have had reading these books far far outweigh the 'what the?' moments

the books preach to listen to your feelings and this is the first time that I recall having any feelings this powerful, so yes I will try and take on board what I read and get with whilst dismissing what I don't like, and if weezer above is correct, of course expect to see certain levels of 'sabotage' but hopefully most readers will discern what feels right and what feels wrong.

I am what I am by observing what I am not

[Eram]

please don't forget that what it's been said in the books is really about GETTING RID OF SECRECY, the elites of this world have accumulated such power because of the secrecy in which they do everything they do, as you can see in the book the concept of visibility is very well explained as the tool we need to change and heal the world. Visibility for everybody and everything, no secrets at all.... it's like being telepathic, nobody can lie, it's impossible.

So basically the idea is to root out evil by means of transparency isn't it?
I remember that I was swept away by this idea when I read the books some 20 years ago.
I even had this plan that if I was to ever set up a business of my own, I would name it "transparanza". :blushing:

There is a side to this idea that is not discussed in the books however, which I discovered later in my search.
To put a stop to all secrecy is also to put a stop to all privacy.
I can see the RFID chip lurking around the corner.
Can you?

Elites have not accumulated their power because secrecy exists, but because they allow themselves to be driven by a lust for more power.
Secrecy is just one of many tools by which they achieve this end.
In the world and reality that we live in at this point in time, secrecy is as much the friend of "evil" as it is of "good".
It's just a tool.

In a society where the consciousness is high the necessity for secrecy would disappear gradually (to a point, because some knowledge is simply not fit for everyone).
It would be a natural effect.

Transparency does invites trust.
Trust invites the feeling of unity & brotherhood.
The feeling of unity & brotherhood invites a higher level of consciousness.
So, there is some merit to the idea of the elimination of secrecy.
It's just that you cannot force it upon a society.
Society has to be ready first.

[picloud]

I read somewhere today that humans are 5th dimensional beings experiencing ourselves in the 3rd dimension. A 5th dimensional object was defined as something that changes over time as it changes in time (the 4th dimension). That may cook your noodle, but it went to explain that because we have been simultaneously evolving as a species in time that appears to age us, these changes we experience are the result of us as 5th dimensional beings moving through 3 dimensional space and hence this phenomena is a sort of illusion.
If the author of this idea is right, then why aren't we aware of ourselves in the 5th dimension and instead, we're here in the 3rd? Maybe all beings ranging from 1st, 2nd, 3rd all the way to 11th (as science believes to be the final number as of current accepted knowledge - read online elsewhere, dont quote me on that) are existing in all those dimensions simultaneously. I don't know about you but this opens up a whole world of possibilities... even that the possibility that God is a figment of our imagination formed in this 3rd dimension and in reality WE are confusing God with ourselves?

[TravelerJim]

That first book put me on the path back in 95, I realized after reading the book that others felt the same way I did and that there was logic in a different viewpoint.

Would I view the book the same way now? No, in fact probably wouldn't read it. But such is the nature of growth.

Just a data point, I think Walsh at some point says he doesn't know if it was God or not.

[risveglio]

I was introduced to these books through my mother who was introduced to it through her Church. Kind of funny, huh?

[Craig]

I used to rage against the idea of the 'veil of forgetfulness' now I am starting to see the validity of such a concept. Still reading and enjoying.

[Craig]

CWG Pt 3

"Religion and marriage the way you have constructed them is what we are talking about here. You think that this talk is tough? I tell you this: You have bastardized the Word of God in order to justify your fears and rationalize your insane treatment of each other.

You will make God say whatever you need God to say in order to continue limiting each other, hurting each other, and killing each other in My name.

Yea, you have invoked My name, and waved My flag, and carried crosses on your battlefields for centuries, all as proof that I love one people more than another, and would ask you to kill to prove it."

Holy **** - wow, just wow.

[Craig]

Imagine if for 1 split second we all felt the grace of God, just for a second. Would it,
change the minds of those who believe in nothing?
reaffirm the minds of those that believe that something is out there?
stop those who are destroying of impacting on the free will of others after realising that when it is all said and done that we are all in fact one?
melancholy monday morning musings out of the way.

[Flash]

please don't forget that what it's been said in the books is really about GETTING RID OF SECRECY, the elites of this world have accumulated such power because of the secrecy in which they do everything they do, as you can see in the book the concept of visibility is very well explained as the tool we need to change and heal the world. Visibility for everybody and everything, no secrets at all.... it's like being telepathic, nobody can lie, it's impossible.

So basically the idea is to root out evil by means of transparency isn't it?
I remember that I was swept away by this idea when I read the books some 20 years ago.
I even had this plan that if I was to ever set up a business of my own, I would name it "transparanza". :blushing:

There is a side to this idea that is not discussed in the books however, which I discovered later in my search.
To put a stop to all secrecy is also to put a stop to all privacy.
I can see the RFID chip lurking around the corner.
Can you?

Elites have not accumulated their power because secrecy exists, but because they allow themselves to be driven by a lust for more power.
Secrecy is just one of many tools by which they achieve this end.
In the world and reality that we live in at this point in time, secrecy is as much the friend of "evil" as it is of "good".
It's just a tool.

In a society where the consciousness is high the necessity for secrecy would disappear gradually (to a point, because some knowledge is simply not fit for everyone).
It would be a natural effect.

Transparency does invites trust.
Trust invites the feeling of unity & brotherhood.
The feeling of unity & brotherhood invites a higher level of consciousness.
So, there is some merit to the idea of the elimination of secrecy.
It's just that you cannot force it upon a society.
Society has to be ready first.

There is a huge difference between privacy and completely open communication such as telepathy for example. In fact, there is nothing truly secret, and nothing truly private, this is a full fledge illusion, thinking that privacy and secrecy exist, in the usual ways they are understood. The fallacy starts right here.

Humans have the capacity to remote view, to use telepathy, to dip into universal knowledge. In fact, nothing can be truly hidden if we allow ourselves to develop our inborn abilities. And nothing can be hidden as we grow spiritually.

We just have to believe in ourselves and accept the tremendous paradigm changes these growth brings us. The blockages come from our own stubborness, thinking we already know, and from fear of paradigm change.

By developing our innate abilities, privacy nor secrecy can be maintained. In this situation, privacy becomes rather genltemenship, willingliy not intruding into someone's else mind and thinking, and having this reciprocated to us. A real civilised world. Based on respect of others and love for whom they are. Then, it is real transparency that is enacted.

[Flash]

realising that when it is all said and done that we are all in fact one?
.

nothing can be hidden truly, we are one.

[RogerThingymebob]

I have never ever believed that GOD is male,
As long as I can remember,
Even before I read a Bible,
Or,
Separate,
As I discovered a few weeks ago,
I didn't know this was in the Bible,
Jesus has said that he didn't believe in churches,
Farmers out on the fields,
Can still talk to God,
Because God is in them.
I've always know this.
In fact I would go as far said saying that,
We are all God.

Indoctrination in education
making us believe that God is separate.

I have tried to explain this to certain work colleague's,
But it fell on deaf ears,
And possibly that I may be a 'loony'.
Not that I care.

[Craig]

I have tried to explain this to certain work colleague's,
But it fell on deaf ears,
And possibly that I may be a 'loony'.
Not that I care.

Yes I understand, but if we are all on different paths to the same destination hopefully one day they will awake and remember what you mentioned previously.

[seleka]

I have read this series as well as a few other books by Neale (its been a few years though). I really like the one about the NDEs. "Home With God In A Life That Never Ends" culminated it for me so far. I reread the first three several times, getting new stuff from them each time. I also have it on tape although I do not like the fact that the actors use emotion in their voices, I am pretty sure Neale describes God as speaking from elsewhere. It was their filter though and made it easier to listen to or sell maybe.

I think the knowledge that can be gained through these revelations is what Jesus was teaching. Metaphysics.

The next big series for me was The Ringing Cedars Series by Vladimir Megre. He was a merchant travelling a river moving goods when he met Anastasia's grandfathers. Through that meeting and the trip to recover a 'ringing' cedar tree, he meets Anastasia. She one of the last true humans that was given the knowledge from before. Not to sound cryptic, but she has knowledge of teleportation, how to build space ships... she visits other planets in first and second self.

It is a Russian series, but there are English translations. I enjoy tending my garden the way she explains.

[seleka]

please don't forget that what it's been said in the books is really about GETTING RID OF SECRECY, the elites of this world have accumulated such power because of the secrecy in which they do everything they do, as you can see in the book the concept of visibility is very well explained as the tool we need to change and heal the world. Visibility for everybody and everything, no secrets at all.... it's like being telepathic, nobody can lie, it's impossible.

So basically the idea is to root out evil by means of transparency isn't it?
I remember that I was swept away by this idea when I read the books some 20 years ago.
I even had this plan that if I was to ever set up a business of my own, I would name it "transparanza". :blushing:

There is a side to this idea that is not discussed in the books however, which I discovered later in my search.
To put a stop to all secrecy is also to put a stop to all privacy.....


You hit on what I noticed after reading it many times as well. Its like the same thing many speak about in fear, the NWO is the same thing being described as how a civilized society on the way to being Highly Evolved Beings would behave. In our view though it is not headed up by luciferian pedophiles.
The sort of lack of secrecy you speak of is miles down the road for most, oh but wait there is only one of us in the room... wow flashbacks.
By the time we get to transparency, ego will not be in charge, so therefore lack of boundaries will not be an issue. I believe it is the collapsing of duality, in order to end the suffering. Maybe its time to plan another run at this free will planet thing.

[Craig]

Has anybody got book 4 Awaken the Species yet? I have it on order, though I don't know what that does about Friendship and communion which I thought were books 4 & 5