Apologies to Frangipani Spirit

[kirolak]

There were 3 beautiful Frangipani plants in the garden of our new house - I mentioned that I planned to move them to a better spot at some stage, as they were in cramped beds, right in front of each bedroom window. But my 14 year old daughter must have misunderstood me, because when I came home yesterday afternoon, I was horrified to find that all three plants had been chopped down - and she was then busy digging out the bases of their trunks! I was totally shocked, which must have shown on my face before I spoke a word. . . . it felt as if I had been struck a blow in the solar plexus.

Anyway, she was very contrite once she realized her mistake in thinking I had intended to uproot the poor plants & kill them; but now I sense a rather dark, heavy energy around the house.

I've asked her to apologise to the spirit of the Frangipani (which I "see" as a collective but highly organized and self-aware Being) burned incense for them, & I have apologized to each plant personally, but still there is a dark, heavy energy around.

Does anyone here perhaps have Shamanic insight into this sort of "homicide" or rather "planticide", and any advice on how to set matters right again? I think the deity connected with Frangipani is the Buddha, & Venus the planet?

We are vegans for ethical reasons, & try to eat only the seeds & fruit of plants so as not to damage the "parent" plant as I am aware that plants also "feel", though not with the physical intensity of mammals.

I'd greatly appreciate any thoughts on this - I feel real sadness not to see the lovely flowers outside my window, quite apart from a feeling of shame & guilt. :(

[Swan]

Hello Kirolak,

A while back I read a book called Nature Spirits and Elemental beings, by Marko Pogacnik. I think I remember he suggested that one ask the spirit of the killed plant if they would like to be moved to another plant. Although I don´t remember how. Maybe intention is enough.

[Lifebringer]

When I have to prune my grapevine or citrus trees, I tell them why, so perhaps you can pray to God to ask him to understand the innocence of a child, that isn't aware, awake or understands. Your talking to her about it, has awakened her to life in other forms on the planet, even plants. Perhaps you can salvage a piece or two from each and they can restart. It's worth a try.

[Daozen]

Don't sweat it. You made a mistake.... it was an honest mistake. No use in cutting yourself up over it. Turn a mistake into a blessing, maybe plant 30... Remorse can be fuel.

Apparently they can survive all sorts of damage:


Frangipani flowers evoke different emotions, depending on culture. In down-to-earth Australia they’re backyard survivors, beating near-death experiences from some of the most brutal pruning I’ve ever seen. Everywhere they’re grown, their fresh flowers are scattered in pools and bowls as a finishing touch before special events. You can even order fresh frangipani flowers by mail. They’re a favourite in Buddhist temples too, while in some parts of South-East Asia they’re associated with demons and vampires.

http://www.homelife.com.au/gardening/plant+guides/plant+guide+frangipanis+,15557


Propagation
I think my frangipani has seed pods - can I grow new frangipanis from these?

Growing from seed is actually very interesting. Unlike cuttings, seedlings are NOT an exact duplicate of the parent plant, so it should be interesting to see what colours you get!

When the seed pods split open, you can harvest the seed and place in a little potting mix somewhere warm (minimum 18 degrees Celsius). Keep the soil moist and your seedling should appear within 2 weeks.

Can I replant broken branches?

If a branch breaks off or splits away don't despair – just think of it as a new frangipani! Just clean up the break with secateurs or loppers. On the main trunk, make the cut to minimise any water being able to get into the wound. For the broken off piece, remove all leaves and flower spikes and leave it in a cool dry place for 2 - 3 weeks for the end to dry off, then you can place in a pot with some free draining potting mix.

Can I propagate a frangipani from cuttings

Frangipanis grow very well from cuttings. Here's what you need to do: Make sure the edge where the cutting has been taken is a clean cut (if not, cut it again with some sharp secateurs). You need to leave the cutting to dry for a period of time. If it is summer / autumn where you are, remove any flower spikes and leave to dry in a cool dry spot for 2 - 3 weeks. If you are in winter / spring, chances are the branch is already bare, so just leave it for 3 to 4 days to heal over the wound in a cool dry spot. When the wound has healed, place it in a pot with free draining potting mix. Terracotta pots are great because they breathe. Make sure the pot is solid enough to support the weight of the frangipani. Also, frangipani are fairly shallow rooted, so don't place in a tall thin pot. You may need to stake up at first depending on the size of your cutting. Water it in once, then leave for 2 weeks (unless it is really hot where you are).

How can I get my frangipani to seed?

I am often asked whether there are male and female frangipani plants and do you need one of each to get seed pods. The answer is no - each frangipani flower contains both male and female parts within it. Frangipanis need a pollinator to produce seed. Their most common pollinator is the sphinx moth, which is fairly hard to come by. It is possible to self pollinate frangipani by hand using some fishing line (enter it into the throat of the flower and try some get some of the pollen onto the female parts). I suspect it's a bit hit and miss, although I have given it a try myself this summer – I guess I'll know next year how successful it is!l

http://www.allthingsfrangipani.com/plantfaq.htm

[Pam]

There were 3 beautiful Frangipani plants in the garden of our new house - I mentioned that I planned to move them to a better spot at some stage, as they were in cramped beds, right in front of each bedroom window. But my 14 year old daughter must have misunderstood me, because when I came home yesterday afternoon, I was horrified to find that all three plants had been chopped down - and she was then busy digging out the bases of their trunks! I was totally shocked, which must have shown on my face before I spoke a word. . . . it felt as if I had been struck a blow in the solar plexus.

Anyway, she was very contrite once she realized her mistake in thinking I had intended to uproot the poor plants & kill them; but now I sense a rather dark, heavy energy around the house.

I've asked her to apologise to the spirit of the Frangipani (which I "see" as a collective but highly organized and self-aware Being) burned incense for them, & I have apologized to each plant personally, but still there is a dark, heavy energy around.

Does anyone here perhaps have Shamanic insight into this sort of "homicide" or rather "planticide", and any advice on how to set matters right again? I think the deity connected with Frangipani is the Buddha, & Venus the planet?

We are vegans for ethical reasons, & try to eat only the seeds & fruit of plants so as not to damage the "parent" plant as I am aware that plants also "feel", though not with the physical intensity of mammals.

I'd greatly appreciate any thoughts on this - I feel real sadness not to see the lovely flowers outside my window, quite apart from a feeling of shame & guilt. :(


I do not have an answer for you, but I have seen other posts of yours and recognize you as having the kindest of hearts. May I as you a most sincere question? Do you find it extremely difficult to live on this planet? Does the energy here overwhelm you at times? I do not see myself nearly as evolved as you and sometimes I find the energy here so overwhelming that I find it difficult to breath. I apologize if this is a bit off topic, but then again, maybe it isn't.

With much respect,
Pam

[RunningDeer]

Sorry for your loss and the disruption to your family and home, kirolak.

If I understand your post, here’s some food for thought.

“spirit of the Frangipani (which I "see" as a collective but highly organized and self-aware Being”)

There’s a good chance that this collective would not experience judgment or anger towards a 14 year old’s actions. If there’s retaliation then better to not have them in your home.

Perhaps the dark, heavy energy that’s around is what lead your daughter to her mistaken or misguided action.

Another reason why I say this is because of this description:

“I was horrified to find that all three plants had been chopped down - and she was then busy digging out the bases of their trunks!”

That’s some pretty exhaustive steps for a fourteen year old to take.

An apology if it’s not felt from the heart are empty words. If it’s counter to your daughter’s nature, then maybe this dark, heavy energy has blinded your daughter to feel an apology is warranted.

Peace,
Paula

[Meggings]

Kirolak, I had to cut a tree limb that interfered with access to the front door. It hurt me terribly, and the tree wept copious fluid out of the cut all year long. I kept apologizing to the tree and then one day it shot me a message as clear as a bell: "Do not bemoan what is past, but move on and work with what you have." Then I had the inspiration to melt beeswax on the weeping tree wound and it dried up.

About the dark energy, it may have come with the property and not be part of the frangipangi, which is a delightful spirit that cannot hold "dark heavy energies". I strongly recommend this method given by one who works with nature. Ask for assistance from Gaia, from Christ, from your Higher Self, and the nature spirits (especially the one assigned to your property), and visualize a blanket of gold light form about six feet under the base of your house, covering the entire property. Then slowly raise it up, gathering all dark shadows and energies as it rises. When perhaps six feet above the top of your house, gather up the edges of the gold light blanket, tie it up, and send it off higher on its own, asking that the energies it contains can be transformed.

When I did that here recently, I found little black "jinn" creatures huddling high up in the eaves. They were gathered up, removed and thus released.

[kirolak]

There were 3 beautiful Frangipani plants in the garden of our new house - I mentioned that I planned to move them to a better spot at some stage, as they were in cramped beds, right in front of each bedroom window. But my 14 year old daughter must have misunderstood me, because when I came home yesterday afternoon, I was horrified to find that all three plants had been chopped down - and she was then busy digging out the bases of their trunks! I was totally shocked, which must have shown on my face before I spoke a word. . . . it felt as if I had been struck a blow in the solar plexus.

Anyway, she was very contrite once she realized her mistake in thinking I had intended to uproot the poor plants & kill them; but now I sense a rather dark, heavy energy around the house.

I've asked her to apologise to the spirit of the Frangipani (which I "see" as a collective but highly organized and self-aware Being) burned incense for them, & I have apologized to each plant personally, but still there is a dark, heavy energy around.

Does anyone here perhaps have Shamanic insight into this sort of "homicide" or rather "planticide", and any advice on how to set matters right again? I think the deity connected with Frangipani is the Buddha, & Venus the planet?

We are vegans for ethical reasons, & try to eat only the seeds & fruit of plants so as not to damage the "parent" plant as I am aware that plants also "feel", though not with the physical intensity of mammals.

I'd greatly appreciate any thoughts on this - I feel real sadness not to see the lovely flowers outside my window, quite apart from a feeling of shame & guilt. :(


I do not have an answer for you, but I have seen other posts of yours and recognize you as having the kindest of hearts. May I as you a most sincere question? Do you find it extremely difficult to live on this planet? Does the energy here overwhelm you at times? I do not see myself nearly as evolved as you and sometimes I find the energy here so overwhelming that I find it difficult to breath. I apologize if this is a bit off topic, but then again, maybe it isn't.

With much respect,
Pam


Hello, Pam, yes , like you I do indeed feel it is very hard to live here.. . . often I feel as if I am here as a"final punishment" & soldier on only because I hope this is the last time. You are very kind to say I am "evolved", but I certainly don't feel that way at all; it is probably a projection of your own state of High Evolution that you see :)

[kirolak]

Kirolak, I had to cut a tree limb that interfered with access to the front door. It hurt me terribly, and the tree wept copious fluid out of the cut all year long. I kept apologizing to the tree and then one day it shot me a message as clear as a bell: "Do not bemoan what is past, but move on and work with what you have." Then I had the inspiration to melt beeswax on the weeping tree wound and it dried up.

About the dark energy, it may have come with the property and not be part of the frangipangi, which is a delightful spirit that cannot hold "dark heavy energies". I strongly recommend this method given by one who works with nature. Ask for assistance from Gaia, from Christ, from your Higher Self, and the nature spirits (especially the one assigned to your property), and visualize a blanket of gold light form about six feet under the base of your house, covering the entire property. Then slowly raise it up, gathering all dark shadows and energies as it rises. When perhaps six feet above the top of your house, gather up the edges of the gold light blanket, tie it up, and send it off higher on its own, asking that the energies it contains can be transformed.

When I did that here recently, I found little black "jinn" creatures huddling high up in the eaves. They were gathered up, removed and thus released.

Thank you, I will do as you suggest! BTW I spent the first night alone in the new house, intending to do a cleansing with salt, but I had accidentally brought along castor sugar instead of salt :o so I didn't get round to doing the cleansing after all!

[kirolak]

That’s some pretty exhaustive steps for a fourteen year old to take. Quote

I was also very astonished, but she is taller & stronger than I am, & recently demolished a low wall, too! :eek:

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Aw, this is sad!!! :faint2:

Hopefully the plant experienced the joy of your daughter's good intentions during its final moments. :thumb:

Similarly, I've heard of plants dying of "grief" when their human tenders perish :(

My great-grandparents' favorite trees died the year after the people did, and one of my uncles (thru marriage) said when his 10 yo sister died of a brain tumor, her yard tree died within a month.


Plants are actually one of the most sensitive things on earth if what we read is true. They are basically built like a big nerve or hair network that sticks into and out of the ground, living in at least two worlds!


Not to mention, there is a lot we don't understand about blind-sight, the senses associated with skin (or bark?), etc... in fact there could be sensory systems that exist independently of myelin-coated nerves.


I think the plants will or have already forgiven, altho it's nice to put things to rest.

:thumb: :wizard: :thumb:

[DarMar]

shamanic insight #1:

plants didn't wanted to be tossed arround in a first place anyway. Who are you to choose their place to be, to be more pretty for some mind calculated reason?

shamanic insight #2:


We are vegans for ethical reasons, & try to eat only the seeds & fruit of plants so as not to damage the "parent" plant as I am aware that plants also "feel", though not with the physical intensity of mammals.

Imagine that someone eats your fruit and seed and leave parent alone.. that would make him ??? better???

stop calculating!

p.s. - there are no dark forces around, just pure unawareness.
CHEERS