Sleep paralysis suffocation

[AmberButtermilk]

Does anyone else here suffocate during sleep paralysis?

It's been a little over a month since I first started having alien-related experiences. Before then, I'd have sleep paralysis about once a month, which I can trace back to when I was 16. Most of the time they were just auditory hallucinations...I can only recall two that scared me. Now that I have begun researching ETs, I have them about once a week, and I ALWAYS just lay there suffocating. I do actually wake up, I am sure of this; but my body won't move and my breathing is VERY shallow and slow, to the point I basically cannot breathe at all and begin to have a panic attack. I try to calm myself down so that I can concentrate on being able to move my body, but it always takes me a couple minutes, which can feel like forever when you're barely breathing. When I stop attempting to move my body, I feel it fall further and heavier into this coma-like trap, and it's terrifying. It's becoming too frequent now and it's really bothering me. Does anyone else have this problem?

[Jake]

Does anyone else here suffocate during sleep paralysis?

It's been a little over a month since I first started having alien-related experiences. Before then, I'd have sleep paralysis about once a month, which I can trace back to when I was 16. Most of the time they were just auditory hallucinations...I can only recall two that scared me. Now that I have begun researching ETs, I have them about once a week, and I ALWAYS just lay there suffocating. I do actually wake up, I am sure of this; but my body won't move and my breathing is VERY shallow and slow, to the point I basically cannot breathe at all and begin to have a panic attack. I try to calm myself down so that I can concentrate on being able to move my body, but it always takes me a couple minutes, which can feel like forever when you're barely breathing. When I stop attempting to move my body, I feel it fall further and heavier into this coma-like trap, and it's terrifying. It's becoming too frequent now and it's really bothering me. Does anyone else have this problem?

Hello, AmberButtermilk!! :) Being aware of physical paralysis while sleeping is only part of it. Many of these 'threshold consciousness' phenomenon are precursor to an out-of-body-experience.. Lot's of folks practice to have OBE's, and one of the aspects of consciously inducing these states is the steadying and slowing of breathing.. I have noticed the same thing.. Before I began having spontaneous OBEs, I would notice exactly the same thing, and get quite panicked... Your body will not allow you to suffocate yourself by way of altered state breathing.. Not unless you already have some sort of sleep apnea or other pre-existing condition.. When I was much younger, my asthma was really bad. I would be forced to sit still and slower my breathing, and calm my mind.. (The basic ingredients for simple meditation.) I was aware of lots of phenomenon. I would be aware that my heart was beating 4 times faster than it should. (Later learned that it had to do more with my Heart Center, or Chakra.) Though, at the time, i thought it was my heart, and that it could be dangerous..

Being aware of any of it shows that you have a bit of a natural ability to drop into 'trance', whilst keeping conscious. !!! :):)

There is lot's to discover in these 'threshold conscious' states.. :) Try sitting still and looking through your closed eyelids... That is always fun....

Or,, Try OBE... :):)

Cheers,
Jake.

[ZooLife]

This may be totally unrelated to your experience but are you sure you do not have an degree of sleep apnea?

[sheme]

Felt myself being manoeuvred through an 18" stone wall head first but quiet distress roused me and I refused to leave my body this happened twice in short time- I was calm and felt in control, the next day I rationalised the experience as a sleep apnoea episode -I guess I though I was having a kind of out of body experience due to lack of oxygen- does this resonate with you?

[AmberButtermilk]

Many of these 'threshold consciousness' phenomenon are precursor to an out-of-body-experience.. Lot's of folks practice to have OBE's, and one of the aspects of consciously inducing these states is the steadying and slowing of breathing.. I have noticed the same thing.. Before I began having spontaneous OBEs, I would notice exactly the same thing, and get quite panicked... Your body will not allow you to suffocate yourself by way of altered state breathing..
I've practiced OBE and have been successful at slowing my breath to the point needed. What I am talking about now is much scarier. It happened this morning, and while trying to calm down, I was able to remember this concept. I've been kicking myself over it because I always panic before I can try to have an OBE when this happens, but this morning was different. When I gained a sense of control in my head and tried to let go, I actually did stop breathing for a few seconds. This was very alarming, as I thought what you just said would be the case. I would never be able to have an OBE in this state because it is just WAY too shallow and infrequent. There is no rhythm or consistency...it feels like a terrible asthma attack, except while being entirely immobile.

[AmberButtermilk]

This may be totally unrelated to your experience but are you sure you do not have an degree of sleep apnea?
Lol no I'm not sure, but I have definitely wondered about that! It just seemed weird that it's never happened like this until the ET experience, and now it's all the time.

[Selmir1984]

Hi.in March 2014 i had my 30th Birthday and days later i lay nights in bed and then starts slowely like an energy or elektricy going trought my body untill the energy stays for long then i see how i am gone out of my body and i see my body under me and i am like flying trought my room but i will scream or say something but its not working and then its morning and what i am remember is only how i go out and this minit in the room like flying and then until i wake up nothing only how i come back in my body but the missing time i cant remember and it happens ewery few days.... and from then i began to meditate and i am another person i am not more the same and i had memories from childhood and later from a city on water and a ship in space like its happend not in dream but it was in dream and there is many other stuff its to long...but i contacded marry rodwell and spoke with her ,,its amazing....just write her ..she had her mail on an internet site called acern....just tipp marry rodwell.acern... and i remember a past life...but i will not write here a book its to long to write.....best wishes from..selmir....and sorry my bad english ;)

[AmberButtermilk]

Felt myself being manoeuvred through an 18" stone wall head first but quiet distress roused me and I refused to leave my body this happened twice in short time- I was calm and felt in control, the next day I rationalised the experience as a sleep apnoea episode -I guess I though I was having a kind of out of body experience due to lack of oxygen- does this resonate with you?
I am trying to imagine this and I don't feel I can relate to any of it except that it does feel like a lack of oxygen

[Becky]

Amber, I have had this, and exactly as you describe there is a very strong pull into a deep coma-like sleep which is unavoidable. Then I wake up some time later, always having had no dream recollection at all between the 'scary incident' and awakening normally. I often hear noises in my room and feel creatures which 'appear' which give the impression as pets, either a dog or cat jumping on me on my bed, which I don't have irl, as I'm aware of the paralysis and something around my head end, then I fall into a deep sleep which i try to fight and always lose. Always had this ever since I was a young kid. My dad said it's because one half of my brain is awake and the other half asleep - that's what he described it as to me when I used to ask him as a kid what this was. All I know is that i feel wide awake and terrified before I'm plunged into a deep sleep I cannot fight.

[fractal being]

Does anyone else here suffocate during sleep paralysis?

It's been a little over a month since I first started having alien-related experiences. Before then, I'd have sleep paralysis about once a month, which I can trace back to when I was 16. Most of the time they were just auditory hallucinations...I can only recall two that scared me. Now that I have begun researching ETs, I have them about once a week, and I ALWAYS just lay there suffocating. I do actually wake up, I am sure of this; but my body won't move and my breathing is VERY shallow and slow, to the point I basically cannot breathe at all and begin to have a panic attack. I try to calm myself down so that I can concentrate on being able to move my body, but it always takes me a couple minutes, which can feel like forever when you're barely breathing. When I stop attempting to move my body, I feel it fall further and heavier into this coma-like trap, and it's terrifying. It's becoming too frequent now and it's really bothering me. Does anyone else have this problem?

Hi there ABM,

I've experienced sleep paralysis occasionally mainly during my younger years even though they weren't as frequent as yours. Coincidentally I also recall only two of them being scary. Really scary though. The last one about 3 years ago on a trip to Costa Rica I can remember it very vividly. I hadn't been in sleep for very long when it started but I "woke up" in some sort of shadow world. I had full awareness where I was and who I was, but I could also sense a wide spread threat all around, like ghosts were surrounding the place. I didn't see any of them though, but the feeling of their presence ran through my bones. Hopefully by that time I had educated myself around the phenomenon, so I was able to cope with the fact that I can't move and breath and managed to get out of it very fast.

Apparently when you go to sleep your brain has a way to disconnect all voluntary motor movements as a safety mechanism so you won't translate your dream-state perceptions into actual voluntary movements. Now for your brain to exit the sleeping state and restore voluntary movement control it takes some time. Obviously sleep paralysis occurs when your brain has completed the process of disconnecting all voluntary movement control, but your frontal cortex (the region in the brain where thought process is located) and your visual centers are at an awareness state. You can't breath as much as you want because your respiratory system is also under sleep-mode and you can't voluntarily control it. The panic mode you experience might also activate the stress axis, which in turn extend the time your brain needs to exit sleep mode.

So if you don't feel like for a nice ride as Jake suggested all you need to do is relax and know that within moments you'll be able to gain voluntary movement control. Switching a source of light on speeds up the recovery process by a lot, but that can be done only if somebody else is there to do it for you, since you cannot move :). Last time I had the scary experience I was barely able to whisper to my companions to turn the lights on and luckily they heard me. Sleep paralysis is incorporated in the myths of many cultures in the world. If you read some of the stories it might help you appreciate the experience better and make it less stressful for you. For me it has been the start point of many wonderful lucid dreams.

Love and peace,
FB

[AmberButtermilk]

I have had this, and exactly as you describe there is a very strong pull into a deep coma-like sleep which is unavoidable. Then I wake up some time later, always having had no dream recollection at all between the 'scary incident' and awakening normally. I often hear noises in my room and feel creatures which 'appear' which give the impression as pets, either a dog or cat jumping on me on my bed, which I don't have irl, as I'm aware of the paralysis and something around my head end, then I fall into a deep sleep which i try to fight and always lose
My regular paralysis would include hallucinations like this (especially my at-the-time recently deceased cat jumping onto my bed), where I would wake up later and not remember what happened in between. Except one time I truly was wide awake and mobile, and still felt/heard this happen with my cat, so I didn't know what to think about the paralysis episodes with her. With the suffocation paralysis, I don't fall back asleep. I want to SO bad, but it just makes me breathe even less when I try to stop fighting so much. I have to use ALL my strength and energy to stay awake by "wiggling" my inner self until my physical body begins to repeat the same action I'm thinking about.

[AmberButtermilk]

The last one about 3 years ago on a trip to Costa Rica I can remember it very vividly. I hadn't been in sleep for very long when it started but I "woke up" in some sort of shadow world. I had full awareness where I was and who I was, but I could also sense a wide spread threat all around, like ghosts were surrounding the place. I didn't see any of them though, but the feeling of their presence ran through my bones.


Sleep paralysis is incorporated in the myths of many cultures in the world. If you read some of the stories it might help you appreciate the experience better and make it less stressful for you. For me it has been the start point of many wonderful lucid dreams.
I do somewhat enjoy paralysis when I'm not suffocating, simply because it's so interesting. It's either hallucinations and perfect breathing or no hallucinations and suffocation. I'm waiting for another BREATHING episode so that I can attempt to induce either a lucid dream or OBE, but I haven't been having these as of late. :( Although waking up in a shadow world does not sound very appealing!

[fractal being]

:( Although waking up in a shadow world does not sound very appealing!

LOL that was one out of the two scary experiences. The rest of the times I'd go wherever I'd feel like going at that moment in my lucid dreams :) .



I do somewhat enjoy paralysis when I'm not suffocating, simply because it's so interesting. It's either hallucinations and perfect breathing or no hallucinations and suffocation. I'm waiting for another BREATHING episode so that I can attempt to induce either a lucid dream or OBE, but I haven't been having these as of late.

By default sleep paralysis includes suffocation otherwise it's just a lucid dream or OBE. When I didn't knew that it's normal that I do not have control of my body and my breathing it felt really like I'm suffocating. After I knew it was normal, it didn't felt like that anymore. Hope it works for you as well.

[ghostrider]

be careful not to have the room you sleep in too warm ... I would try to elevate your head with more pillows ... sleep paralysis is the first stage of having an out of body experience , as to not act out your dreams ... it sounds like your astral travels to a higher level is trying , while the body is fighting against it ... if a shadow person is present , it can cause this action of terrifying or feeling of fear ... you must command the night , command the environment ... I fought one of these guys back in in 86-87 I never want to do that again , the bright side is once you pass by them (shadow people ) they can't cause you anymore trouble ... it kind of a bridge you must cross to get to the realm of spirit ... I think they are gatekeepers , that ensure only the strong cross the bridge ... as many other challenges await , you must be strong over there ...

[Claudia Eusebio]

I used to experience sleep paralysis when I was younger...the difference is that there was no suffocation (Thank God ) because the experience itself was terrible enough....I would scream for help and wait for hours until my mom would try to wake me up....and more than once I suffered attacks from negative beings around that would torture me with a burning alive sensation....my worst memories ever...it was then that I started studying spirituality and whatever else that came my way...I hope you can quickly stop experiencing that :( You have my best thoughts and energy .

[Bongo]

I used to get sleep apnea and sleep paralysis, I don't any more, both were caused by something messing with me, the ones that were messing with me got removed using holographic kinetics and all is good. If you try it, you will no longer be effected by either.

[vilcabamba]

If it's caused by sleep apnea this is an interference in the brains communications system caused by toxins attacking the nerves where message sending occurs. The brain messaging system is interfered with. If that is the case, starting to detox and taking egg lecithin to rebuild the nerves and protect them from being attacked, is what you may want to do. When the body has too many chemicals in them from chemtrails etc. the nerves get attacked and the body's message sending to the brain to breath, sleep, etc gets disturbed. This is why we feel depressed, suicidal sometimes, insomnia...why we have repetetive thoughts. It's because the chemicals are effecting our cholinesterace levels in the brain and when this is disturbed, we get breathing issues. Egg lecithin was recommended to me by a military scientist that is exposing the chemtrails and how they effect our brain. Lecithin, lecithin..non gmo is what people need to counteract the brain message sending interference.
If it's not sleep apnea..then i don't know.

[sandpainter]

Amberbuttermilk ~ thanks for mentioning and exploring this topic. I've had some 'threshold consciousness' experiences as well. A couple of other places online you might look for additional discussion are: http://curezone.com/forums/search.asp?q=sleep+paralysis&action=Search
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=sleep+paralysis&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=
Best wishes!

[Mark]

Two excellent threads, where these topics are discussed in-depth. :)

Jake's thread, The Out-of-Body-Experience. A Place Where Science and Spirituality Meet (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74995-The-Out-of-Body-Experience.-A-Place-Where-Science-and-Spirituality-Meet.&highlight=jake).

and, Traineehuman's thread, OBEs: What are they, how to make them happen,and where does the Higher Self fit in? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?52121-OBEs-What-are-they-how-to-make-them-happen-and-where-does-the-Higher-Self-fit-in)

I am also very familiar with sleep paralysis, having experienced it more times than I can count over many decades now. The suffocation aspect affected my sleeping habits, resulting in me only sleeping in certain positions, making sure to have an arm free to wiggle for the "great escape" from the terror induced by the onset of the vibrations. :)

Thanks for sharing your experience, Amberbuttermilk, and welcome to Avalon.

:wizard:

[conk]

My two daughters experience sleep paralysis and visitation by various entities. The older girl has learned to relax and even mock the entities. Her lack of fear has caused the incidents to abate greatly. The younger girl is still in fear mode and quite disturbed by the events. The lesson seems to be to learn to eradicate the fearful feelings. The older child also says a prayer to all four corners of the room before bedtime. She asks for guidance and protection from the Jesus Christ Consciousness. I'm quite sure that asking Buddha or any other avatar would help equally as well.

[BF88]

A little trick I learned to wake myself up from sleep paralysis or whatever it actually was that was happening to me is to try and physically contract all the muscles in your body but concentrating on your abdominal muscles (helps if you strengthen them too) as hard and fast as you can. I'm not sure if it works by actually doing the contraction of the muscles physically or it is just the signal from your brain to perform the action that does it.

Is there a being trying to hurt you in these in between states of consciousness? It was the shadow thing for me. What worked for me was to attack it (out of body) as soon as i felt its presence. Try your best to punch and kick it and really mean it. I heard somewhere that trying to throw the being works too but haven't tried it as they leave me alone now, in that particular in between state anyway, it is a shame that the same cannot be said for all 'non awake' states of consciousness. I hope you figure this out, these situations are absolutely terrifying but I am of the opinion that you can definitely beat it.

[Becky]

I have had this, and exactly as you describe there is a very strong pull into a deep coma-like sleep which is unavoidable. Then I wake up some time later, always having had no dream recollection at all between the 'scary incident' and awakening normally. I often hear noises in my room and feel creatures which 'appear' which give the impression as pets, either a dog or cat jumping on me on my bed, which I don't have irl, as I'm aware of the paralysis and something around my head end, then I fall into a deep sleep which i try to fight and always lose
My regular paralysis would include hallucinations like this (especially my at-the-time recently deceased cat jumping onto my bed), where I would wake up later and not remember what happened in between. Except one time I truly was wide awake and mobile, and still felt/heard this happen with my cat, so I didn't know what to think about the paralysis episodes with her. With the suffocation paralysis, I don't fall back asleep. I want to SO bad, but it just makes me breathe even less when I try to stop fighting so much. I have to use ALL my strength and energy to stay awake by "wiggling" my inner self until my physical body begins to repeat the same action I'm thinking about.

I wonder why phantom pets, jumping on the bed or on the person, are experienced? That's funny / odd.

[sandpainter]

Thanks conk~ for sharing your helpful experience, strength and hope regarding this serious psychological & spiritual issue. Sleep paralysis is a real, psychological ordeal experienced across many cultures. In China it is sometimes referred to as "ghost oppression" and in western cultures as "The old hag syndrome."

[hettleman]

Yes, I have experienced this twice. (Suffocation during sleep paralysis.) It is REAL and not sleep apnea! The first time I was in my 20's and I was sure I was seconds away from death. All I could think was, I am going to die, these dark entities are smothering me and no one will ever know what really happened. Then out of the blue, my husband who was in a sound sleep, threw his body over mine and started reciting the Lord's Prayer. I gasped for breath and was fine. I truly believe he saved my life. When I asked him why he did that and how did he know he replied, "I didn't know. It was not a conscious act." He then told me that every night before he goes to sleep he prays and asks for protection for our family.

The second time was a few months ago. I knew what was happening because of this time before and I immediately cast out any unclean spirits in Jesus name. It worked! So twice in 30 years, not sleep apnea or brain disconnect. It was an attack by some dark force...IMO!

[Jake]

Google Dweller on the threshold... An age old phenomenon wnere one would wake intk paralysis with intense pressure on the chest accompanying great fear and the manifestation of an entity.. Usually some type of gargoyle or witch..

Theses days we study the same sort of autoscipic phenomenon when we look into different types of threshold consciousness...

A battle with the dweller is many times,, ones first test into a whole other world of existence, ,, witb regards moving beyond the physical body,, and into a different mode of being...

Slowed breathing can be startling to wake up into,, especially if you cannot move, and theree is pressure at your heart center...

I battled the dweller for many years... I dont know where it scurries off to when I stand in my power and refuse to be subject to this type of abuse.... Tackling you fear is the trick... Standing in great power... If you believe deeply in a deity thag saves you,,, you can invoke his/her name.. (never once, worked fir me,,) Being saved by an entity sorta makes one reliant on that entity for any type of growth... And that is NOT necessary... You are in control of the experience... Nobody else.... You wont make it to far in tha astral worlds if you dont master your own fears... This is all about to dawn on the whole planet... :):)

If you live in fear,, you will experience demons... If you live in power, you will experience the whole universe... Anyone waking into paralysis fear, rapid heart rate, stymied breathing,, energetic sensations,, etc,,,, should begin to look much deeper into their experiences because we are the fore runners to a much bigger scenario that is unfolding...

One day,, we will all wake up from this dream and appreciate tbat we did not cower in fear...

Jake

[Lysaur]

Amber --

What kind of hallucinations do you see during the episodes? You could just be having a 'mind-awake / body-asleep' episode, where your physical body is calmed, and your subtle (psychic) body is activated, so you see psychic stuff.

I'm surprised no one has brought up the point that your paralysis episodes increased since you started researching on aliens. Aliens don't like people knowing about them, they want people in the dark, so people starting to learn more might be visited more, and the paralysis could be related to visitations. Possibly to study you or tinker with your mind to deter you from waking up spiritually. Aliens can see into the future and they know who the trouble makers will be in the future. Might not be aliens though sometimes...

I know some of these feelings can be fun though! Like when you're trying to move your body, but the damn carcass won't move. That's when your etheric and astral body is not completely coupled to the physical. I've had times where I've rolled around, or floated in and out of my body to the roof back and forth before I finally locked into my body. Certain people might be more naturally able to seperate from it like this, like abductees who are taken astrally, meaning out of their body. Or people who are not grounded psychologically and physically, like my friend in the past... he slipped out of body and a demon tried to take over his body (!) So going out of body is very dangerous and I don't recommend it at all. You can connect to your higher Spirit and develop higher awareness and psychic abilities best while staying in your body.

I've experienced this hunderds of times through out my life, and I think a lot of it is caused directly by demonic entities, as well as alien entities. Demons will hook into your etheric body, paralyze you, and infect your dreams with horror, or just scare you to death to feed on the fear. They often do this when we sleep, when we're vulnerable. Alien entities will paralyze you to do other procedures or affect your mind.

One time I had paralysis in bed, and I felt entities were around, but I couldn't roll over and punch them like I wanted to. Then I heard a woman's voice say "Wake Up" and the paralysis lifted and the entities vanished as I rolled over. I think that was my guide maybe, helping me out.

Many times I've wanted to scream, but could not because I was suffocating, physically. Other times, it felt like I had been thrown into bed after an abduction experience...maybe it is an effect of being pulled out of your body and put back into it, astrally, while your physical body is paralyzed? I don't know... But the worst is when you're lying there, staring at the wall, near suffocating and can't move.

Actually, a tried and true recommendation for ending sleep paralysis is, in the moment, to remember to feel a strong sense of *righteous anger*. This becomes a channel for divine warm energy to saturate you to repel demons, as well as provides a certain fluctuating intensity in your psychic field which aids in screwing up the psychic control an alien or demonic entity might have on you -- if that is the case.

It could also be done by black ops technology too, but that's a dark subject that might not even be your situation.

[DaRkViPeR]

I had the same thing happened to me last night. I was lying in bed and the next moment my whole body went unresponsive. I had difficulty breathing and thought it was a heart attack and that I am dying. It lasted for about 30 seconds. I had sleep paralysis many times in my life, but never before experienced suffocation while it happened. I must add that all through my life strange things happened to me and lately it is happening more frequently.

[AmberButtermilk]

What kind of hallucinations do you see during the episodes? You could just be having a 'mind-awake / body-asleep' episode, where your physical body is calmed, and your subtle (psychic) body is activated, so you see psychic stuff.

The first time it happened I was at a sleepover with a few friends. I saw one of them get up and walk to the kitchen, but she said she never got up during the night. The next time I can remember, I woke up in bed to the sound of whispers all around me, occasionally saying my name, but that was all I was able to understand. After those two times, it was usually my family scolding me, making me feel awkward about something I did, or just them yelling my name. But during all of these I was able to breathe. I only suffocate during the ones where I, like you said, am just staring at a wall.


Or people who are not grounded psychologically and physically, like my friend in the past... he slipped out of body and a demon tried to take over his body (!) So going out of body is very dangerous and I don't recommend it at all.
I'd like to hear more about this. I frequently read that many ungrounded people experience things like "demons" in the astral world, but that they generally end up being tests. Did he try to face the entity at all, or did he immediately wanted to return to his physical body out of fear? I'm not saying I don't believe in demons, but their possible existence still confuses me to some extent. Have you made any threads about the subject?

[AmberButtermilk]

Thanks for your replies everyone! I feel I should let you all know that after I posted this thread, the episodes stopped entirely. I've now been having dreams where I am taken to other worlds and see different species, except I am not able to remember them very well at all. I've been waking up with the feeling that I am not alone in my dreams, as if someone is guiding me to these places. I really need to be more active with dream journaling. :tsk:

[Lysaur]

The first time it happened I was at a sleepover with a few friends. I saw one of them get up and walk to the kitchen, but she said she never got up during the night. The next time I can remember, I woke up in bed to the sound of whispers all around me, occasionally saying my name, but that was all I was able to understand. After those two times, it was usually my family scolding me, making me feel awkward about something I did, or just them yelling my name. But during all of these I was able to breathe. I only suffocate during the ones where I, like you said, am just staring at a wall.
They might be real and not hallucinations. I used to hear people scolding me like family when I was high on the marijuana at night, in my teens, that was a hallucination I think. I've also had external voices say things to me that were not hallucinations I believe. They were too specific, clear and random, often with other accompanying, phenomena. My one friend I mentioned who had a demon attach to him trying to take him over showed many signs. One of which, like your friends moving and not remembering it possibly, he woke me up at 3am. I was playing donkey kong of course (because what else is good at 3 am...) and just as I was about to hit the hay, he suddenly sits up. He had this mischievous smile. He kept bugging me to pop in this 80s VHS porn we found around the house. I said no and he insisted. It was weird. Next morning I kept asking him about it and he really didn't remember, and I'm pretty sure he would admit if he did remember. He did that a few times, forgetting things. Like when he saw a tall grey in my room, staring at me in bed. 2 weeks later he forgot about it, and I had to make him remember, even though the picture he drew of it was still inside the house...


I'd like to hear more about this. I frequently read that many ungrounded people experience things like "demons" in the astral world, but that they generally end up being tests. Did he try to face the entity at all, or did he immediately wanted to return to his physical body out of fear? I'm not saying I don't believe in demons, but their possible existence still confuses me to some extent. Have you made any threads about the subject?

Everything in life is a spiritual test in the biggest sense of life. But these tests use real beings, like real human beings, real physical, objective phenomena, and real objective astral beings and phenomena. Demons are not just internal projections, they are real astral beings. They're not all-powerful, but they do influence people to do the worst things that happen in the world. But only because people lack awareness of their manipulation on people, and don't prevent it. I'd recommend the book Close Encounters of The Possession Kind by William Baldwin you can find online, and Robert Bruce's Psychic Self Defence book, but most of the spiritual protection tips you can find online if you look. But I really learned a lot from a psychic who was trained by ETs who writes online by the name of Fore (http://www.exopoliticssouthafrica.org/resources/fore/). You can search through his writings @ that link for terms like 'demon' 'phantom' 'spiritual/s' and 'entity / entities' . Fore is an awesome resource I think you'll like it ;)

What happened with my buddy...

We slept in the same room in the basement. He woke me up and told me what happened. He said he was standing beside the couch out of body watching his physical body sleep. Then he felt a dark entity enter through his foot trying to take over his body. He looked really freaked out saying, he knew it was something very, very horrible happening, like a demon trying to steal his soul. He knew he had to get back into his body immediately. And he did. He got up, woke me up, and I said let's see the foot. We saw a cut on the bottom of his foot. It's telling because most demons that possess people are known as earthbound spirits that usually enter from the earth, through the feet of people. Maybe this is why grounding works so well to exorcise demonic energy form your body, just walking in grass or sand, immersing in water, and especially putting your feet into water with rock salt.

After that night, I told my other buddy that my friend changed overnight. He had a new creepy vibe, an underlying, subconscious negativity about him, that he seemed to be battling with internally. He also started hating me and acting crazy. Even turned really gay and kept asking us if we wanted to have sex with him even though he knew we were straight. It ended with him physically assaulting me for no reason. Demons are known to break up relationships, and we were the best of friends, even had a great band, and we broke up a week before a big show was planned with big business names to be there. Like paranormal evil forces jsut want to screw with people. Oh well :)

[Wind]

Like paranormal evil forces jsut want to screw with people. Oh well :)

That's very interesting, I've had sleep paralysis experiences every now and then and never they are pleasurable, thankfully they don't happen often and they started after I became spiritually aware. Also I a few times I have certainly felt how a negative presence has tried to come to my body through my right hand (yes, through my hand) when I've been sleeping and I do suspect that they try to manipulate especially when we are asleep. I don't know why and how sometimes these visitations occur, maybe they have something to do with astrology or something like that. However, I certainly have felt how entities can affect people and their behaviour, probably mine too at times.

This brings forth the question, do we actually have a free will when beings can try to manipulate us? Sure if we are mentally strong we can deflect their actions, but that still doesn't change the fact that they can and do drive many weak-minded or should I say more "vulnerable" people to do rather horrendous acts, to insanity and even to suicide. I am somehow quite sure that if we were left truly alone this world could be a rather peaceful one without all of the conflicts and wars caused by our fueled egos and the collective "insanity".

I'm interested to hear what people think about this "rigged game" and intervention when it comes to our so called free will? Bear in mind that none of us will escape our actions, but how much those actions actually are our own? We have to be constantly vigilant and even then it can be difficult at times.

[Lysaur]

Wind,

I think exactly like you. We should be given a air chance to develop as a good society without demonic influences corrupting humans. Freewill is complicated here. It's not balc and white. We have freewill, but so do other beings, and we have protection as well as attacks from both good and bad sides from a higher density of existence.

You might like this article:

Why Negative Forces Seem to Respect Freewill


montalk.net » 9 March 03


There are many ways negative forces can influence targeted individuals. Two common methods are through reality manipulation and matrix agents. This article discusses the important roles freewill and awareness play in such cases, which may explain why negative forces often maneuver the way they do. Matrix Agents: Profiles and Analysis and True Reality Creation provide background material for this article.

http://montalk.net/matrix/66/why-negative-forces-seem-to-respect-freewill

[Wind]

Thanks Lysaur!

[spade]

Call upon Jesus, this thing will instantly go away.