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chancy
22nd November 2014, 02:16
Hello Everyone:
I came across this article and read it a few times wondering where and how the author got the information to write this article? I want to know the truth and only the truth. I don't want to read propaganda but after following this on going saga since Crimea I have to wonder if most of this article is propaganda.
What do the rest of you think? Are we being led into believing what's not truth?
Please note:
The authors small biography is at the bottom of the article.

chancy

Here is the link:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/davidvsdavid/putin--the-west-must-continue-to-stand-up-together-in-opposition-of-russian-leader-s-tactics-185933969.html

Here is the article:
Putin flexes his muscles - The West must continue to stand up to the Russian bully
By David Kilgour | David vs. David – 6 hours ago November 21, 2014

Vladimir Putin was snubbed at the G20 meeting in Australia by virtually every leader over his repeated violations of Ukraine’s territorial integrity. This would have caused a less pugnacious Russian president to reflect on his long-demonstrated contempt for international covenants intended to build a more peaceful and prosperous world.

When confronted by Canada’s Prime Minister Stephen Harper about Ukraine, Putin repeated his serial falsehood by denying the occupation. He left the conference prematurely, seemingly disdainful of other participants despite claiming otherwise in a subsequent Moscow press conference.

Before the G20 meeting, Putin had sent Russian aircraft close to Canada, the U.S.,U.K., Denmark and the Baltic states. Four Russian warships crossed international waters near Australia. Russian troops without insignia on their uniforms again crossed into eastern Ukraine with 32 tanks and 16 howitzer artillery systems on Nov. 7, in violation of the Minsk truce agreed to by Putin in September. Crimea now holds tens of thousands of Russian soldiers.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel, the European leader with the best relationship with Putin, said after the G20 event that Russia was "violating the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine." Having long respected Russia's concerns about Ukraine moving closer to NATO, she argued it was "simply not acceptable to forbid a country" to sign a trade agreement with the EU. The German news magazine, Der Spiegel, added, "(She) believes that what Putin says and what Putin does have long since diverged."

Opposing viewpoint: David Jones

It's best to just ignore the Russian leader's manoeuvring

George Soros stresses in the current issue of the New York Review of Books:

… Anti-Europe parties captured nearly 30 percent of the seats in the latest elections for the European Parliament… Now Russia is presenting an alternative that poses a fundamental challenge to the values and principles on which the (EU) was originally founded. It is based on the use of force that manifests itself in repression at home and aggression abroad…

While its president is challenging Europe and the West with military force, within Russia itself, as Julia Ioffe notes in the New Republic, the ruble lost more than 30 per cent of its value against the American dollar between January and November 2014. Food prices have soared.

One reason for the fall is the near zero-growth rate in the Russian economy over the past year. Oil prices fell, partly from OPEC seeking to undersell competitors in a glutted market. Russia’s national budget is currently pegged to an international oil price of US $97 a barrel. Oil closed at US $77.49 on November 13. With oil comprising a fifth of their economic output, Russians will see a 6-7% drop in GDP this year. Russia previously used access to its vast oil and gas resources to win allies. Now much-needed access to foreign capital for its petroleum industry is being severely restricted by Western financial sanctions.

Canadian investment strategist Nick Rost van Tonningen adds that Russia’s central bank has already raised its key interest rate four times this year, most recently on Oct. 31,from 8.0% to 9.5% – “a jump of this magnitude is … in hockey terms, a matter of ‘pulling the goalie,’ and at worst evidence of outright panic.”

Many Russians still appear to blame the West for their economic problems, but it’s unclear for how much longer chronic domestic misgovernance can be overlooked across Russia despite the constant propaganda in state media. Anton Siluanov, the Russian finance minister, for example, has confirmed that $7.2 billion was confiscated from Russians’ pensions to finance the seizure of Crimea.

In an incisive analysis of Putin in the March 17, 2014 issue of Psychology Today, Dr. Ian Robertson of Trinity College, Dublin, concludes:

So how should the West respond? … the very worst response would be appeasement because this will simply fuel (Putin’s) contempt and strengthen the justification for his position. Strong consequences have to follow from his contempt for international law and treaties. This will cost the West dearly, economically speaking, but the longer-term costs of appeasement will make the costs of strong, early action appear trivial in retrospect.

When Putin was handed Russia’s presidency by an ailing Boris Yeltsin in 2000, his country had few adversaries in the West, but he now treats all of us as would-be “subjugators” of Russia. The responsible international community must stand up to his threats and bombast with a unified determination and without being drawn into any spiral of mounting tensions. A strategy building on smarter, tougher and broader sanctions is necessary; so too is much more help for the economy of Ukraine.

David Kilgour is co-chair of the Canadian Friends of a Democratic Iran and a director of the Washington-based Council for a Community of Democracies (CCD). He is a former MP for both the Conservative and Liberal Parties in the south-east region of Edmonton and has also served as the Secretary of State for Latin America and Africa, Secretary of State for Asia-Pacific and Deputy Speaker of the House.

Snookie
22nd November 2014, 04:36
Extreme propaganda in my opinion. George Soros should keep his mouth shut. He has been involved in funding many many of the so called Colour Revolutions in the past decades.

Putin has an 80 - 90% approval rating in Russia. How many western leaders can say that?

What that article fails to mention is that the people of Crimea had a referendum and voted 97% in favour of joining Russia. It also fails to mention that the U.S. State Department ( i.e. Victoria Nuland) was involved in overthrowing the democraticly elected Yanochovich government and putting a puppet government in it's place.

Snookie
22nd November 2014, 04:42
Putin's Sunday Interview on German TV (Dubbed + Transcript)
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In the last decade US has grown its network of military bases close to Russia and expanded NATO
Even when Russia had grounded its bomber aircraft, the US continued to fly nuclear-capable bombers in the vicinity of Russian borders
Due to existing deals, the EU-Ukraine Association Agreement would have enabled EU goods to enter Russia tariff-free
Germany, France and Poland did not stick by the February 21st Agreement they had imposed on Yanukovich
Crimea follows the precedent of Kosovo
Ukraine has a future as a large, European country, but for that all its inhabitants must feel at home within its borders
Russia does not want special responsibility for Ukraine. Ukraine is independent, free and sovereign
Concern that Ukraine tolerates people fighting under SS emblems, fear of possible ethnic cleansing
The fundamental cause of conflict in Ukraine is that in the wake of the coup the new central authorities in Kiev sent the army against people who did not recognize them instead of attempting dialog
A negotiated way out of the deadlock in East Ukraine is still possible
Sanctions have been harmful for Russia and everyone else, but there were some positives as well and the Russian economy has grown regardless
"Today there is fighting in eastern Ukraine. The Ukrainian central authorities have sent the armed forces there and they even use ballistic missiles. Does anybody speak about it? Not a single word. ... This points to the fact, that you want the Ukrainian central authorities to annihilate everyone there... we won't let it happen.
"Russian banks have currently extended a $25 billion loan to the Ukrainian economy. If our European and American partners want to help Ukraine, how can they undermine the financial base limiting our financial institutions’ access to world capital markets? Do they want to bankrupt our banks? In that case they will bankrupt Ukraine."
Russia will not call in loans, wants Ukraine to get on its feet
Germany ostensibly wants the conflict in Ukraine to be solved, but has been reluctant to influence its clients in Kiev to this end
"We are told again and again: pro-Russian separatists must do this and this, you must influence them in this way, you must act in that way. I have always asked them: "What have you done to influence your clients in Kiev?"
Russia and Germany have established a great friendship in the last 10-15 years that it would be a shame to lose
Hubert Seipel (ARD) TV Wed, Nov 19 | 4196 11

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Putin: "no one is ready to meet us halfway"
This interview was recorded on Thursday of last week, and aired on German television on Sunday







HUBERT SEIPEL: Good afternoon, Mr President.

You are the only Russian President who has ever given a speech at the Bundestag. This happened in 2001.

Your speech was a success. You spoke about relations between Russia and Germany, building Europe in cooperation with Russia, but you also gave a warning.

You said that the Cold War ideas had to be eradicated. You also noted that we share the same values, yet we do not trust each other. Why were you being a little pessimistic back then?

VP: First of all, I gave no warnings or admonitions and I was not being pessimistic. I was just trying to analyse the preceding period in the development of the situation in the world and in Europe after the collapse of the Soviet Union. I also took the liberty of predicting the situation based on different development scenarios.

Naturally, it reflected the situation as we see it, through the prism, as diplomats would put it, from Russia’s point of view, but still, I think it was a rather objective analysis.

I reiterate: there was no pessimism whatsoever. None. On the contrary, I was trying to make my speech sound optimistic. I assumed that having acknowledged all the problems of the past, we must move towards a much more comfortable and mutually advantageous relationship-building process in the future.

HS: Last week marked the 25th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin wall, which would not have been possible without the Soviet Union’s consent. That was back then.

In the meantime, NATO is conducting exercises in the Black Sea, near the Russian borders, while Russian bombers conduct exercises in Europe’s international airspace.

The Defence Minister said, if I’m not mistaken, that they fly as far as the Gulf of Mexico. All of this points to a new Cold War.

And, of course, partners exchange harsh statements. Some time ago, President Obama named Russia as a threat on a par with Ebola and the extremists, the Islamic extremists.

You once called America a nouveau riche, who thinks of himself as a winner of the Cold war, and now America is trying to shape the world according to its own ideas about life.

All of this is very reminiscent of a Cold War.

VP: See, you mentioned 2001 and I said that my perspective was rather optimistic.

We have witnessed two waves of NATO expansion since 2001. If I remember correctly, seven countries – Slovenia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Romania and three Baltic States, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania – joined NATO in 2004. Two more countries joined in 2009. Those were significant geopolitical game changers.

Furthermore, the number of military bases is growing. Does Russia have military bases around the world? NATO and the United States have military bases scattered all over the globe, including in areas close to our borders, and their number is growing.

Moreover, just recently it was decided to deploy Special Operations Forces, again in close proximity to our borders.

You have mentioned various exercises, flights, ship movements, and so on. Is all of this going on? Yes, it is indeed.

However, first of all, you said – or perhaps it was an inaccurate translation – that they have been conducted in the international European airspace. Well, it is either international (neutral) or European airspace. So, please note that our exercises have been conducted exclusively in international waters and international airspace.

In 1992, we suspended the flights of our strategic aircraft and they remained at their air bases for many years. During this time, our US partners continued the flights of their nuclear aircraft to the same areas as before, including areas close to our borders. Therefore, several years ago, seeing no positive developments, no one is ready to meet us halfway, we resumed the flights of our strategic aviation to remote areas. That’s all.

http://russia-insider.com/en/2014/11/18/07-50-10pm/ard_interview_russian_president_putin

ghostrider
22nd November 2014, 07:07
At least Putin is respected ... America is laughed at ... He moves tanks in and subs , and bombers , we have talks and media sound bites ... He is proving by action , he can do what he wants and nobody has the guts to stop him ... for terrorist we will go all in , for communist we just look the other way ... I feel America has lost her moral core ... I'm careful to say it but , America is the bully , we have military bases everywhere, we have 87 bases in foreign countries ...Russia has eleven ... the U.S. military is in Bulgaria, Germany, Israel , Italy ,Japan , Kosovo, Kuwait , Korea ,Afghanistan , Bahrain , British Indian ocean territory , Brazil ,Cuba , Greece , Guam ,Spain, Greenland , Honduras , Oman ,Pakistan , Portugal ,Qatar , Saudi Arabia , Singapore ,Turkey , I mean we are everywhere ... Putin is just doing what America is doing , trying to build a global empire and control the world which always leads to suffering and total collapse ...

sigma6
22nd November 2014, 18:44
100% absolute propaganda... should be obvious... the depth and detail though is stunning... lending on a "psychological source" as reference?????? absolutely mind boggling, since when did government give a crap what psychologist's opinions of politics were? LOLOL!!!

George Soros, the voice of reason?... compared to Putin? talk about pulling out all the plugs... scraping the bottom of the barrel... someone must be getting very desperate...

George Soros' claim to fame was "legally" bilking the UK out of billions through FX trading strategies... who is more self serving Soros or Putin?... (stupid question, but it has to clearly laid out I guess...)

Putin must look after the interests of an entire State... Soros is just looking after his pocketbook...

Nasu
22nd November 2014, 19:07
I agree with all of the above, it's complete propaganda. Putin is not perfect, far from it, however he looks like a choir boy compared to our lot. I grew up feeling sorry for the poor old Ruskies. Poor them, controlled media, spied on all the time, secret police, camps for desenters, etc, etc... My how the worm has turned.. I wonder do the Russians feel sorry for us now??.. N