Update from Drunvalo Melchizedek 2014-11-19 : Birkeland currents & Mer-Ka-Ba science

[PathWalker]

For all Drunvalo teaching followers :fans:.
Latest interview with Lilou Mace.

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Published on Nov 19, 2014

More information on the Birkeland currents
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birkelan...

Drunvalo is the author of five books including The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life, Volumes I & II, Living in the Heart, Serpent of Light and his newest one, The Mayan Ouroboros. These books have been published in 29 languages and reach out to over one hundred countries throughout the world. Drunvalo is the first person in the world (in modern times) to mathematically and geometrically define the human light body called in ancient times the Mer-Ka-Ba.

He is a consultant for the international Internet magazine, Spirit of Maat, with over 1 million viewers each year. He is the founder of the Flower of Life Facilitators that have been teaching his work in over 60 countries.

He has now founded his newest (and complete) teaching in a facility called School of Remembering with the Awakening the Illuminated Heart Teachers who are beginning their global work. Recently the school exceeded 1000 live workshops held worldwide with an average of almost 3 a day added to the calendar. Drunvalo graduated from the University of California at Berkeley with a degree in fine arts. He also has a minor in physics and math with only one quarter to finish his degree.

He lives in Sedona, Arizona with his loving wife Claudette. He has six grandchildren. - source http://www.drunvalo.net/


I will post short summary later today.
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Summary delayed due to intensive healing work on this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?77364-Healing-rqeuest-for-brain-stroke-recovery&p=905248&viewfull=1#post905248).
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01:30 Report revelation about additional Merkaba science with scientific backbone
04:00 Speed of electromagnetic signal (light) in vacuum/space is infinite, Tesla science, we rebuild physics from the ground up, Much simpler.
09:00 The power of consciousness and human beings, connectedness to the one/everything, full knowledge, just by breathing
10:20 This can be achieved with one or two month study. Compares his emotional and spiritual growth to current understanding.
11:00 Human kind leap, we are not going to be the same. Transformation begins before end of 2015.
11:30 Historic review of the scientific discovery, describe the phenomena, humans being able to reconnect with all life everywhere.
12:40 Can only do it for short times, yet there is no sense of time while doing it.
13:05 They are completing discovering all the details how to do it just now. By experiencing and trying. Application of Merkaba science.
14:20 Waiting all his life for science and spiritually to come together. Happening now. Religion becoming practical and scientific (repeatable).
15:40 Instant CME in the sun is measured instantaneous. Birkleand currents in zero time. Scientific description.
20:00 Planetary sex sun and earth, planetary tantra yoga.
21:40 Describes who knows the science and where is the knowledge centers
22:45 Explains human gender/polarities composition, creating Birkeland current between our polarities (as single or pair). Sacred geometry and toroidal fields.
27:00 Healing application, pranah being.
28:00 Refer to governments and suppression. Cannot control suppression anymore.
30:00 Electric Universe (http://www.electricuniverse.info/Electric_Universe_theory) team. Describe specific discovery.
32:00 Mention Pierre Marry Rhouta Ohio Uni, savant. Proved sun is liquid, and measured last year. Requires rewriting physics from the base up.
35:00 Information applicable to human beings. Model mother/father/child trinity. Immortality
36:20 Mention Nassim, not following him.
37:00 What this information practical meaning to humans?
37:10 Joint effort with HeartMath institute. HeartMath knowledge applied by security forces and classified forces. Bringing heart back to coherence.
39:40 HeartMath institute joins on a spiritual path. Describes the human heart magnetic field anomaly.
41:15 Connected humans can see and feel 360 degree around. Using magnetic fields and Merkaba meditation
41:50 Human attraction and communication using the technology
42:10 HeartMath discovery, we are linked together as one. New level of communication around the globe.
43:50 Political ramifications to connectedness.
44:10 Prerequisite to connectedness, find the place in your heart, where there is no ego.
44:30 Not possible to misuse or abuse this technology.
45:10 Leaving this existence meditation? Explain the information source and go into next level of existence.
47:00 Naming the new finding, separate from sacred place of the heart teaching.
48:00 Conclusions

[Finefeather]

Someone who has named himself Melchisedek, by his own false assumptions, is not worth following...not to mention the many preposterous claims and statement that originate from his supposed higher knowledge.


“The King of Jerusalem, Melchisedek” originally meant the planetary ruler, and “Jerusalem” meant the planetary government.

He is far from the planetary ruler...

[heyokah]

Someone who has named himself Melchisedek, by his own false assumptions, is not worth following...not to mention the many preposterous claims and statement that originate from his supposed higher knowledge.


“The King of Jerusalem, Melchisedek” originally meant the planetary ruler, and “Jerusalem” meant the planetary government.

He is far from the planetary ruler...

A pity. Because you were so judgmental, you missed a very good and informative interview.

http://i61.tinypic.com/dddpuf.jpg

[Iloveyou]

Someone who has named himself Melchisedek, by his own false assumptions, is not worth following...not to mention the many preposterous claims and statement that originate from his supposed higher knowledge.


“The King of Jerusalem, Melchisedek” originally meant the planetary ruler, and “Jerusalem” meant the planetary government.

He is far from the planetary ruler...

'Melchizedek' is rather a mission title than a name (see below).
Whenever a planet, a sun, a galaxy has a problem in their dimensional levels, a Melchizedek is sent there, they know how to deal with this. There's lots of them, about 10 million in this universe.

„The Melchizedeks:
Drunvalo’s second name is the name for a special class of beings who have attained the ability to move freely throughout the 144 different worlds or dimensions of reality that make up our “octave” – our region of the universe.
They have encompassed all the levels. They know the whole scale. All the different perspectives, all the different modes of consciousness, are freely available to them. They can tune in to the different vibrational levels at will.
When a person becomes a Melchizedek, he or she is faced with a choice. They can leave this part of the universe altogether and enter into a thirteenth dimension – a dimension that exists outside the octave. It is a new world where everything is different . . . . .

But the Melchizedek does not necessarily leave the octave. There is another choice: to remain in this octave and serve as a troubleshooter for problems that arise here – problems affecting life as a whole, or the interrelationships between the different levels, or problems that arise between this region of the universe and the universe as a whole.
A Melchizedek who makes this choice is a bit like what the Buddhists call a “bodhisatva” – a being who has foregone the possibility of entering into nirvana – of becoming a buddha – for the sake of assisting other sentient beings.
Drunvalo long ago made this decision.“

(Bob Frissell: „You Are a Spiritual being Having a Human Experience“)

[Finefeather]

A pity. Because you were so judgmental, you missed a very good and informative interview.

I have listened and read enough...more than you know...of his fiction...rolled in sheets of obvious truth...and yes I judge everything I want to hold in my consciousness as truth...more should try it.
Ray

[ulli]

I only ever looked at Drunvalo's work superficially, knowing instantly that he is on the right track. Mercaba work and astrology are very much interrelated.
But I also see that Finefeather has seen the larger puzzle, from a different perspective.
But I believe the time has come that all these thinkers start to figure out how the other guys got to where they are now, and realize that they have more in common than separates them.
But competition is a guy thing, I guess.
We are here to connect the dots, including the dots we might have tried to erase only a few months ago.

In 1977 in my seach for a simple formula that explains the theory of everything I came up with this: ~ - 0 + ~.
(The little wiggle should really be a horizontal 8, but I couldn't find that symbol on this iPad. )

I knew I had seen the totality of everything, but I could not press a button and pass on this huge pile of knowledge which streamed into me back then, when I first saw these symbols.

But in no time I learnt how astrology has a lot to say about how these cosmic geometric energies work, and that one can even predict the times when they will hit.
Not saying by any means that astrology has all the answers, but it helped me realize how the holographic universe is structured; how electricity and magnetism have a lot to do with it and how one can navigate the oceans of eternity and infinity once higher consciousness is attained.

So many brilliant people alive today ...
If only they could all get along, and not be so hasty in deconstructing one anothers' discoveries.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I bought one of his books a few years ago, for a couple dollars, and found out that it has indeed retained the retail value of at least 20 dollars -- on this basis alone a book is typically worth reading -- people still pay the cover price :)

Like Ulli, my interest was cursory, but when I opened the book I could not deny that this man is pretty observant. I didn't see anything inside the book as I flipped through that was too out of whack. Some of the material could have been "organized" a bit more, but to be honest, if "all is one" perhaps Mr Drunvalo decided that separating concepts was wasted work.

There were images in the book that explained a lot of the things PA people are drawn to. I saw many things that looked eerily familiar to things others have seen.


It was hard not to believe that he didn't have some of the same experiences that bring people to places like PA :)

~T

[Finefeather]

Drunvalo’s second name is the name for a special class of beings who have attained the ability to move freely throughout the 144 different worlds or dimensions of reality that make up our “octave” – our region of the universe.
So do you think Drunvalo is capable of this?...this is the thing to be able to judge...not many can...only the statement's that come from his mouth can be judged to be false...by some.

And...Just the rest of this little statement is for me quite incorrect...what makes you believe that what is written by Bob Frissell is fact over information from higher evolved Beings than him?

What is an "octave" in our universe?...how many octaves are there then?...what is "our region of the universe"? and 144? where could that number come from in an ordered Cosmos?...well its quite obvious...from a guy who has taken music lessons...12 notes in an octave and 12x12 = 144...why did he stop at 12? does he not know that sound is a minute portion of the spectrum of vibration? What about colour...it has 7 colours we can see...and is part of the same spectrum which sound belongs to. What about the other infinite ranges of vibration?

Thanks but I'll stick to my current system...it makes more sense to an ignorant person such as I am...you all can believe what you must...I have given my opinion...no one is demanding you agree with me...and I am not one bit going to have an emotional moment when I am told I am wrong :)

Ray

[heyokah]

.........
But I believe the time has come that all these thinkers start to figure out how the other guys got to where they are now, and realize that they have more in common than separates them.
But competition is a guy thing, I guess.
We are here to connect the dots, including the dots we might have tried to erase only a few months ago.

That's exactly what the video was about.
He's showing us that science and spirituality finally meet.


.........
So many brilliant people alive today ...
If only they could all get along, and not be so hasty in deconstructing one anothers' discoveries.

Bingo ! :hug:

[Finefeather]

But I believe the time has come that all these thinkers start to figure out how the other guys got to where they are now, and realize that they have more in common than separates them.
But competition is a guy thing, I guess.

Dear Uli I have no problem with the common stuff...and I do not think it is a guy thing :) It is about getting your books sold with fiction which most are too ignorant...and I use that word with respect...to see through.
Fantasy is big business...cold facts and truth do not sell books because those who write truth...and know the way...do not sell their work...they give it away.

Love to you
Ray

[ulli]

Drunvalo’s second name is the name for a special class of beings who have attained the ability to move freely throughout the 144 different worlds or dimensions of reality that make up our “octave” – our region of the universe.
So do you think Drunvalo is capable of this?...this is the thing to be able to judge...not many can...only the statement's that come from his mouth can be judged to be false...by some.

And...Just the rest of this little statement is for me quite incorrect...what makes you believe that what is written by Bob Frissell is fact over information from higher evolved Beings than him?

What is an "octave" in our universe?...how many octaves are there then?...what is "our region of the universe"? and 144? where could that number come from in an ordered Cosmos?...well its quite obvious...from a guy who has taken music lessons...12 notes in an octave and 12x12 = 144...why did he stop at 12? does he not know that sound is a minute portion of the spectrum of vibration? What about colour...it has 7 colours we can see...and is part of the same spectrum which sound belongs to. What about the other infinite ranges of vibration?

Thanks but I'll stick to my current system...it makes more sense to an ignorant person such as I am...you all can believe what you must...I have given my opinion...no one is demanding you agree with me...and I am not one bit going to have an emotional moment when I am told I am wrong :)

Ray

No problem. The systems we use are quite varied and each picks the numbers they can relate to. Right brained people are more comfortable with imagery than with numbers. But in the great beyond where direct knowing is the language all numbers dissolve, and systems are not necessary. Possibly not even geometric orders which are needed to create the variety of life forms on this planet.
Thoughts and consciousness are the bottom line, and at that level myth and reality are also intertwined.

On this earth we have been subjected to all sorts of myths and are now discovering how we can become myth makers ourselves.
I would welcome anyone who can change Mars' energy patterns and thus stop them from making my red blood cells expand and give me migraines. I trust that our future will bring in a wave of souls who can override these darn influences. Healing is what matters most, and at a massive scale. Never mind what system people use.
All roads lead to Rome.
May the greatest mythmaker win ;)

[Bob]

I was wondering if anyone had tracked the "walk-in" experience history that Bernard claimed to have had, when he was no longer "Akbar" (prior incarnation).. and then became the newest incarnation.

[naste.de.lumina]

In 1977 in my seach for a simple formula that explains the theory of everything I came up with this: ~ - 0 + ~.
(The little wiggle should really be a horizontal 8, but I couldn't find that symbol on this iPad. )



∞

I liked this concept / formula

r >= 0

R (r) stands for "reality", which is the energetic universe, including living things in it, while 0 is 'God'. The theory behind this is that Reality is greater than 'God', because Reality is ever-expanding, but at the same time Reality is 'God', so when Reality expands, so does 'God'. Therefore, Reality and 'God' are also equal.
Source: http://wespenre.com/known-life-forms-within-the-milky-way-and-beyond.htm

[Meggings]

I was wondering if anyone had tracked the "walk-in" experience history that Bernard claimed to have had, when he was no longer "Akbar" (prior incarnation).. and then became the newest incarnation.

Hi Bob, I missed "Akbar" (of the Taj Mahal?) as an incarnation. That is interesting to me personally.

I understand the walk-in part occurred after he left university, lived unfettered in the BC wildlands, communicated with animals and met the tall angels in Vancouver as part of the plan for his life. "Walk-ins" are often not "other" but a higher portion of one's Self that steps down more prominently to take part in the incarnation.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I don't know what to make of this guy. I read one of his books and sincerely studied the things he said, but when I started seeing his videos on YouTube I started to have doubts about him. Something about him just seems off and sometimes in his interviews it seems like he's trying too hard to seem like something else, and if he's trying to seem like something then he must not really be that something, which leads me to suspect that he's acting and maybe even on somebody's payroll.

He was predicting that the Earth was going to stop rotating or something to that extent, some time around 2012, and that there's be 3 days of darkness and massive planetary upheaval and we'd have to just trust in the Earth for her to protect us so we wouldn't be killed. I entertained that for a while, but obviously 2012 is getting more and more distant and this guy just doesn't act right as far as I can tell, as far as how a "spiritual guru" is supposed to behave and the things they're actually "supposed" to say. I've seen lots of people who had obviously attained something important and they're free in a way that this guy still isn't, and he's trying too hard.

At the same time, I do believe there are some grains of truth hidden in what he says. But they could be there just to lure people into believing the rest of what he says. :confused:

[Finefeather]

I don't know what to make of this guy. I read one of his books and sincerely studied the things he said, but when I started seeing his videos on YouTube I started to have doubts about him. Something about him just seems off and sometimes in his interviews it seems like he's trying too hard to seem like something else, and if he's trying to seem like something then he must not really be that something, which leads me to suspect that he's acting and maybe even on somebody's payroll.

He was predicting that the Earth was going to stop rotating or something to that extent, some time around 2012, and that there's be 3 days of darkness and massive planetary upheaval and we'd have to just trust in the Earth for her to protect us so we wouldn't be killed. I entertained that for a while, but obviously 2012 is getting more and more distant and this guy just doesn't act right as far as I can tell, as far as how a "spiritual guru" is supposed to behave and the things they're actually "supposed" to say. I've seen lots of people who had obviously attained something important and they're free in a way that this guy still isn't, and he's trying too hard.

At the same time, I do believe there are some grains of truth hidden in what he says. But they could be there just to lure people into believing the rest of what he says. :confused:
Now this is exactly what I see and that is exactly why I do not consider him to be of value in consciousness growth...

When you'r out to make a buck in the 'spiritual books department' you need to appeal to a persons beliefs....because you would loose against a person with real knowledge...and the thing that ALL believers lack is their own experiential knowledge of life.

This is a fact no matter how much we kick and scream...the majority of humans are believers and that is exactly why we are here...to gain experiential knowledge of life...we are going to mess up a few times...we are going to make the wrong choices...but that is exactly what gives us wisdom in the end...we get to know were things are going to end up...because we have beat our head up against the wall so many times.

I once did a major study of this guy, with the help of some friends of mine, and it gets quite deep into the dark side of our natures.

I could not give a hoot if someone is a bad guy...even 'evil'...like we tend to think of it here...what I look for is a persons contribution to consciousness growth...which is our ONLY goal here in this planet...I look for sincerity and honesty...and we are not honest...if we throw in a whole lot of truth with the garbage we want people to believe just because it make us appear as if we are some enlightened gift from...dare I say...god.

Take care
Ray

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I don't know what to make of this guy. I read one of his books and sincerely studied the things he said, but when I started seeing his videos on YouTube I started to have doubts about him. Something about him just seems off and sometimes in his interviews it seems like he's trying too hard to seem like something else, and if he's trying to seem like something then he must not really be that something, which leads me to suspect that he's acting and maybe even on somebody's payroll.

He was predicting that the Earth was going to stop rotating or something to that extent, some time around 2012, and that there's be 3 days of darkness and massive planetary upheaval and we'd have to just trust in the Earth for her to protect us so we wouldn't be killed. I entertained that for a while, but obviously 2012 is getting more and more distant and this guy just doesn't act right as far as I can tell, as far as how a "spiritual guru" is supposed to behave and the things they're actually "supposed" to say. I've seen lots of people who had obviously attained something important and they're free in a way that this guy still isn't, and he's trying too hard.

At the same time, I do believe there are some grains of truth hidden in what he says. But they could be there just to lure people into believing the rest of what he says. :confused:

One of the main issues eschatologists have w/ end times interpretations is the meaning of the word "day".

Some people think "day" can mean "age" or "aeon".
Some think it means a literal 24 hours, like the Biblical tale in the OT where the earth stood still for a day so that Israel could finish a battle in daylight.
This legend was referenced also in the stories of the Knights Templars (the legend of the Red Cross Knight who could not be vanquished when the sun was high in the sky).

A good example of eschatologists fighting over interpretations of time can be found wherever people talk about Revelations.
There is a period of "7 years" of tribulation (trial and terror) mentioned in the book.

Then we have the 70 week of Daniel or whatever, further complicating things.

And finally (or originally?) the 7 days of creation.



So whatever Drunvalo was trying to say could easily have gotten lost in literalist (modern) translation.

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but who am I to say



p.s. who here knows the story of the Hero Twins and Cama Zotz?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camazotz

In Maya mythology, Camazotz (/kämäˈsots/) (alternate spellings Cama-Zotz, Sotz, Zotz) was a bat god. Camazotz means "death bat" in the K'iche' language. In Mesoamerica the bat was associated with night, death, and sacrifice.[1]

Camazotz is formed from the K'iche' words kame, meaning "death", and sotz', meaning "bat".[2]

In the Popol Vuh, Camazotz are the bat-like monsters encountered by the Maya Hero Twins Hunahpu and Xbalanque during their trials in the underworld of Xibalba. The twins had to spend the night in the House of Bats where they squeezed themselves into their own blowguns in order to defend themselves from the circling bats. Hunahpu stuck his head out of his blowgun to see if the sun had risen and Camazotz immediately snatched off his head and carried it to the ballcourt to be hung up as the ball to be used by the gods in their next ballgame.[3]

3 days of darkness


Where does the story of “three days of darkness” come from? It stems primarily from passages in Exodus, Joel, and Matthew. Exodus 10:22 says:

“And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days.”

Joel also touched on the subject of three days of darkness in 2:30-1 (and Acts repeats the statements in 2:19-20):

“And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

“The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.”

And Matthew 24:29-31 relates:

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

“And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

“And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”

These three passages from the Bible, two from the Old Testament and one from the New, are what fuel predictions of three days of darkness.

The theme has been taken up by other commentators of the “end times.” Here for instance is a native writer who relates a story her grandmother used to tell and calls it “Three Days Of Darkness, A Mayan Story.”

“My Granny was scolding we children when we was very young… she told us we knew nothing of the challenge of the darkness. She said when she was very young, she and all the people woke up to no sun. She said she was so frightened for it was very dark without the sun and also too cold. She told me and my brothers and my sisters and my cousins that we take too much for granted, that we take for granted the sunshine and the moonshine, but that we would never do this again when we had lived through the three days of darkness.

“Granny said that the elders knew right away what to do in this time of no sun and no light. That this time had always been prophesied by the elders and had happened many, many times before. The wise people always prepared for this darkness by saving the old tortillas (corn tortilla chips). And so the elders began to build the fires, for the fires must be lit or the darkness can drive some to madness. And the people began to pray together and sing together and burn the tortillas together for this is the sacred food that the Gods desire. Granny says that the smoke of the tortilla carries the message to the Gods to please bring back the sun.

“My Granny said that when the people become too wicked, when we forget to worship the Gods and have respect for all life, that the Gods block out the sun to remind us of the sacred ways and the importance of worship and of gratitude for life. She said that for three long days, the villagers prayed and prayed and prayed together and to cease their hunger, they not only burnt the tortilla but also ate it. She said that the h’men (the shamans) would begin to get excited and happy as they felt their prayers being received and then the darkness would lift. She said in her time it took three long days but that she had heard stories of the darkness taking longer to leave. She said the Gods only return the light when enough people were praying in earnest.

“My Granny said the darkness would come again because it always comes, because the people always stray far from their Creator and must be reminded time and time and time again… My Granny told us to behave well with good intentions. She told us this story to keep alive the memories and the knowledge of what to expect and of what to do. And so right now I save my old tortillas and I gather my firewood and I prepare my children and grandchildren with the stories because my body tells me that the time is almost here.” (1)

http://goldenageofgaia.com/the-2012-scenario/the-time-of-troubles/three-days-of-darkness-this-story-has-legs/

^


DOn't forget the 7 years of madness experienced by the first recorded global ruler, Nebuchadnezzar

https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1978/04/new-light-on-nebuchadnezzars-madness

This article says Daniel is the only existing account of the madness of the king:


6. Nebuchadnezzar's madness of seven years, recorded in Daniel 4 but in no other ancient source, is further proof of the legendary nature of the book.




it's up to us whether we believe what we learn or what we are told.

[Finefeather]

So whatever Drunvalo was trying to say could easily have gotten lost in literalist (modern) translation.

I would agree with your fine argument in your post...but when a person claims to be what he does...then you would expect that he knows this too...and knows the esoterics behind the literal translation. We have the exact same problem with gnosticism...people have interpreted it incorrectly...and we see, not just on this forum...the fiction that has been produced.

Those who know the truth do not give out their 'pedigree'...because they know the person is unimportant...it's the message that counts...and it is the message that should be judged.

If anyone tells you they are some high and mighty avatar...you should run as fast as you can...in the opposite direction from whence he cometh :)

With love
Ray

[Iloveyou]

Drunvalo’s second name is the name for a special class of beings who have attained the ability to move freely throughout the 144 different worlds or dimensions of reality that make up our “octave” – our region of the universe.
So do you think Drunvalo is capable of this?...this is the thing to be able to judge...not many can...only the statement's that come from his mouth can be judged to be false...by some.

And...Just the rest of this little statement is for me quite incorrect...what makes you believe that what is written by Bob Frissell is fact over information from higher evolved Beings than him?

What is an "octave" in our universe?...how many octaves are there then?...what is "our region of the universe"? and 144? where could that number come from in an ordered Cosmos?...well its quite obvious...from a guy who has taken music lessons...12 notes in an octave and 12x12 = 144...why did he stop at 12? does he not know that sound is a minute portion of the spectrum of vibration? What about colour...it has 7 colours we can see...and is part of the same spectrum which sound belongs to. What about the other infinite ranges of vibration?

Thanks but I'll stick to my current system...it makes more sense to an ignorant person such as I am...you all can believe what you must...I have given my opinion...no one is demanding you agree with me...and I am not one bit going to have an emotional moment when I am told I am wrong :)

Ray

Hi Finefeather, the least thing I want to do is upset you, I just grabbed the first quote that came to my mind to answer your statement relating to his name (originally meaning planetary ruler).

I guess, you don't want me to go into this sacred geometry/merkaba stuff. It would take me weeks to write a short summary of what I understood or not (especially with my excellent English, lol), but I can tell you my personal experience.

The books are probably not the best part of his work. I dipped in from time to time over years, but my attention was attracted only when I started to listen to his videos/interviews, all for free. Meanwhile his teachings have developped, changed and emotional, imaginative, female, right brain aspects have been comprised. When he started teaching the way of living in the heart I recognized my own way of creating my reality. I've always experienced the strong and direct impact of imagination and imagery on every day life, when it is based on loving emotion, when there is a heart connection to earth and sky (however I name them). Then I attended his workshop and had a private session, which changed my life radically. He has come here as a teacher, not as a healer in the first place, but healing is a sideeffect.

What about the 144 dimensions now? While following his teachings over the years I never found the tiniest bit of inconsistency, of contradiction or inaccuracy, nobody can make up a story of such complexity without stumbling finally. I take it for his genuine experience. Imo it is a way to describe the universe, it is not the only truth, as long as we depend on words, there cannot be truth, just a strong and true longing for it.

Loving his work did not prevent me from searching other information, from listening to absolutely different perceptions and experiences, e.g. here on Avalon and you really make me wonder, Ray what is your current system?

With love, g.

[PathWalker]

I take it for his genuine experience. Imo it is a way to describe the universe, it is not the only truth, as long as we depend on words, there cannot be truth, just a strong and true longing for it.

Loving his work did not prevent me from searching other information, from listening to absolutely different perceptions and experiences, e.g. here on Avalon

Going on a spiritual path starts and ends with an emotional climax (not always pleasant, like NDE). If one starts the spiritual path from a rational/mind inquisitive research, I suggest to better avoid the spiritual threads and stick to the UFO/conspiracy drama threads, he will find the spiritual threads deceptive and part of the war drama (and this is true if ones life perception is a war drama).
Once the person realize the way out of the drama is internal spiritual work, there is a way for spiritual evolution. No matter who is the teacher and what is the teaching. The student must be ready to receive, otherwise the teaching can be dangerous and manipulative (see what comes out of religions).

[A Voice from the Mountains]

The guy wasn't being symbolic about the 3 days, he was giving a pretty in-depth talk about how we need to prepare for it. Drunvalo wasn't just describing three days of darkness but he also said that the Earth's magnetic field would collapse and we'd all lose our memories and unless we were naturally very calm and passive then we'd be liable to pretty much go insane from not being able to remember anything.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufl4cQXwjD8

[Snowflower]

In Peru, there is verbal history (known as "myth" by European authors) that describes a time for 3 days when the sun was gone for three days and then rose again from where it had set. In Egypt, there are hieroglyphics that depict a time when the sun "danced in the sky" for three days and then finally set from whence it had risen. It is on the basis of these two histories from opposite sides of the planet that I accept the likelihood of the same happening again.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

This myth that you're talking about, Snowflower, also has to do with the winter solstice, when the Sun appears to stay in the same place in the sky (rises and sets at the same points) for three days before reversing course back towards what will eventually become the warmer months, representing its "rebirth."

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/images/pathofsun_40deg.jpg


The smallest circle the Sun makes in the image above is where it is on the winter solstice. The biggest circle is the path it makes on the summer solstice. In between, it moves, and each day when it rises and sets, it rises and sets in a slightly different place in the sky as it moves across the horizon. When it gets near the winter solstice, it appears to slow down and then rise and set in the same place for 3 days. Then it reverses its course and moves back towards the summer solstice again.

This was very important for ancient cultures who were closely connected to the Earth, agriculture and the seasons, such as Native Americans.


It's possible that it represents more than this, but it's good to know that this was also very important to ancient native cultures. Also to Europeans. Christmas (Christ's supposed birthday) was originally on the winter solstice, and Easter is near the spring equinox. How long was Christ dead before he resurrected? Three days...

[Finefeather]

Ray what is your current system?
Serve others...and life will open up your eyes.
Serve yourself and you end up in a dark corner.

[Finefeather]

Going on a spiritual path starts and ends with an emotional climax
The true spiritual path starts with great anticipation, wonder and an open mind...and never ends...when we think it has ended we have lost the path.
Everyone is on some path...even if they do not know it yet...it is when it takes centre stage in our lives that we begin to grow more rapidly.

We need to be what we want to become...and know who we really are...this way we can see our progress.

Take care
Ray

[heyokah]

.........
But I believe the time has come that all these thinkers start to figure out how the other guys got to where they are now, and realize that they have more in common than separates them.
But competition is a guy thing, I guess.
We are here to connect the dots, including the dots we might have tried to erase only a few months ago.

That's exactly what the video was about.
He's showing us that science and spirituality finally meet.


.........
So many brilliant people alive today ...
If only they could all get along, and not be so hasty in deconstructing one anothers' discoveries.

Bingo ! :hug:

For the members who are seriously interested in the OP and the video that is offered, but want to have a short-cut to the science part, start at about 38 minutes.

FYI: Birkeland Current (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birkeland_current)

LOL. No, he's not good at remembering names (age?), but he meant these scientists:

- Kirchhoff, Law of Thermal Emission, 1859
http://kirchhoffslaw.org/

- Max Planck, Philosophy of Physics, 1936.
http://www.thermalphysics.org/nytimes_ad1.html

- Dr. Pierre-Marie Robitaille: Sun on Trial, 2014.
https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2014/06/03/dr-pierre-marie-robitaille-sun-on-trial-eu2014/

He starts to talk about the Institute of Heartmath (http://www.heartmath.org/)at about 39 minutes.

Science and Spirituality finally meet, indeed.

****


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf72l079GAQ

[ulli]

The unification of head and heart, of heart passion and head intent, coupled with the unification of left and right brain activity, and applied with a certitude that our mission is to go forward and serve the needs of humanity as we perceive them, does not rule out getting paid for the books one wants to write that transmit such information.

Sure, it would be better to be financially independent, but then there might not be enough motivation to write it down at all, as is the case with me. One might take the slower route of plunging into a poverty stricken society and empower people there...one person at a time.

But who is to say that publishing books which wake people up, and inspire them to start living in a more courageous way, is all bad? I believe that while this man is not someone I can even bear to watch for long he has made quite a positive impact on several of my friends who I was unable to reach, but who now are getting what I was trying to tell them ages ago.

And even if he does nothing more than drive people to explore the Heartmath site,
which I have known about since my wingmaker days ten years ago, he is redeemed in my books.

So now I feel quite smug about the fact that I have learnt to lighten up about Nassim.
I consider it a sign of my personal growth. Seeing him as an ego-driven narcissist finally triggered some introspection, and contemplate the possibility that I was projecting my own inner ego-driven narcissist at him, as he triggered some jealousy feelings. I have quite a few books inside of me but never managed to write a single one, fearing the changes that a published writers success would bring to my life.

But now I no longer have time for such thoughts. Avalon has become an outlet for my inner writer, and my little village here in the highlands of Costa Rica is an outlet for giving service to some forgotten people, so in a way it's all good.
Material success in my early twenties helped me become financially independent, for which I am particularly grateful, since not everyone had a lucky break that early in their lives.

[eaglespirit]

Going on a spiritual path starts and ends with an emotional climax
The true spiritual path starts with great anticipation, wonder and an open mind...and never ends...when we think it has ended we have lost the path.
Everyone is on some path...even if they do not know it yet...it is when it takes centre stage in our lives that we begin to grow more rapidly.

We need to be what we want to become...and know who we really are...this way we can see our progress.

Take care
Ray

Seeing IS Believing In Active Pursuit...BEing the BEcoming : )

Kudos Ray...and Lotsa Love too : )

[araucaria]

So now I feel quite smug about the fact that I have learnt to lighten up about Nassim.
I consider it a sign of my personal growth. Seeing him as an ego-driven narcissist finally triggered some introspection, and contemplate the possibility that I was projecting my own inner ego-driven narcissist at him, as he triggered some jealousy feelings. I have quite a few books inside of me but never managed to write a single one, fearing the changes that a published writers success would bring to my life.

(…)
But I believe the time has come that all these thinkers start to figure out how the other guys got to where they are now, and realize that they have more in common than separates them.
But competition is a guy thing, I guess.
We are here to connect the dots, including the dots we might have tried to erase only a few months ago.

In 1977 in my seach for a simple formula that explains the theory of everything I came up with this: ~ - 0 + ~.
(The little wiggle should really be a horizontal 8, but I couldn't find that symbol on this iPad. )

I knew I had seen the totality of everything, but I could not press a button and pass on this huge pile of knowledge which streamed into me back then, when I first saw these symbols.
(..)
So many brilliant people alive today ...
If only they could all get along, and not be so hasty in deconstructing one anothers' discoveries.

Nassim? As in Melchizedek? Interestingly, Nassim (Haramein) likes to put the infinity back into his calculations when cosmologists renormalize it out. But Ulli, your ∞ - 0 + ∞ works out at 2*∞, so that might be an interesting stereoscopic view of totality from a dualist standpoint.

From a more piecemeal standpoint though, if we take x as a part of infinity, then you might say x/∞ + x/∞ = 2x/∞ + y/∞. While the ordinary approach would be to say that y = 0, a continuous creation view would say that y > 0. Hence in many circumstances 1+1 > 2; for example, as my wife was explaining the other day, two hospital workers making ten beds together will get the job done quicker than if each of them makes five on their own. Of course you also find the negative (destructive) view, whereby y < 0, i.e. 1+1<2. The difference is simply, as you say, cooperation as opposed to competition.

This is all encapsulated in the Latin word Ulli which, being the plural of ullus (anyone), means any ones, an inclusive plural. But ask Google translate what the word means and it will tell you: ‘single’.

[ulli]

So now I feel quite smug about the fact that I have learnt to lighten up about Nassim.
I consider it a sign of my personal growth. Seeing him as an ego-driven narcissist finally triggered some introspection, and contemplate the possibility that I was projecting my own inner ego-driven narcissist at him, as he triggered some jealousy feelings. I have quite a few books inside of me but never managed to write a single one, fearing the changes that a published writers success would bring to my life.

(…)
But I believe the time has come that all these thinkers start to figure out how the other guys got to where they are now, and realize that they have more in common than separates them.
But competition is a guy thing, I guess.
We are here to connect the dots, including the dots we might have tried to erase only a few months ago.

In 1977 in my seach for a simple formula that explains the theory of everything I came up with this: ~ - 0 + ~.
(The little wiggle should really be a horizontal 8, but I couldn't find that symbol on this iPad. )

I knew I had seen the totality of everything, but I could not press a button and pass on this huge pile of knowledge which streamed into me back then, when I first saw these symbols.
(..)
So many brilliant people alive today ...
If only they could all get along, and not be so hasty in deconstructing one anothers' discoveries.

Nassim? As in Melchizedek? Interestingly, Nassim (Haramein) likes to put the infinity back into his calculations when cosmologists renormalize it out. But Ulli, your ∞ - 0 + ∞ works out at 2*∞, so that might be an interesting stereoscopic view of totality from a dualist standpoint.

From a more piecemeal standpoint though, if we take x as a part of infinity, then you might say x/∞ + x/∞ = 2x/∞ + y/∞. While the ordinary approach would be to say that y = 0, a continuous creation view would say that y > 0. Hence in many circumstances 1+1 > 2; for example, as my wife was explaining the other day, two hospital workers making ten beds together will get the job done quicker than if each of them makes five on their own. Of course you also find the negative (destructive) view, whereby y < 0, i.e. 1+1<2. The difference is simply, as you say, cooperation as opposed to competition.

This is all encapsulated in the Latin word Ulli which, being the plural of ullus (anyone), means any ones, an inclusive plural. But ask Google translate what the word means and it will tell you: ‘single’.

Google knows best. Single it is, as in non-attachment. Very cool.

By the way, you won a prize for subtlety...
Pointing out that I posted in the wrong thread.
You are such a dear!!

[araucaria]

Google knows best. Single it is, as in non-attachment. Very cool.

By the way, you won a prize for subtlety...
Pointing out that I posted in the wrong thread.
You are such a dear!!
There must be some mistake: I hadn't noticed it was the wrong thread. As far as I am concerned, you can make posts like those on any thread you like. :)

[PathWalker]

Going on a spiritual path starts and ends with an emotional climax
The true spiritual path starts with great anticipation, wonder and an open mind...

Spiritual path can begin with some extra painful experience, such as accident, illness, NDE, loss. Usually we need a catalyst. The catalyst to start going our path, catalyst is not pleasant. Later we accept our hardships as blessings.
Every one of us on the spiritual path, can look back and find his own hardships/catalysts, then wonder and appreciate the choices we made.


and never ends...when we think it has ended we have lost the path.
Everyone is on some path...even if they do not know it yet...it is when it takes centre stage in our lives that we begin to grow more rapidly.

I agree with "never ends...". when I wrote "ends with an emotional climax" I meant ending with finding enlightenment. Which is a climax. Many of us on the path experienced a moment of enlightenment, and from that moment we are "hooked" to go back "home" :violin:.


We need to be what we want to become...and know who we really are...this way we can see our progress.

Take care
Ray

I am with you brother on that. Self reflection and full responsibility to our reality (good and bad - I deserve what is in my reality).
Yet it is difficult to accept and take responsibilities on our hardships as blessings.

Take care as well, and enjoy the ride :o.
Joy and happiness
PathWalker

[Iloveyou]

I take it for his genuine experience. Imo it is a way to describe the universe, it is not the only truth, as long as we depend on words, there cannot be truth, just a strong and true longing for it.

Loving his work did not prevent me from searching other information, from listening to absolutely different perceptions and experiences, e.g. here on Avalon

Going on a spiritual path starts and ends with an emotional climax (not always pleasant, like NDE). If one starts the spiritual path from a rational/mind inquisitive research, I suggest to better avoid the spiritual threads and stick to the UFO/conspiracy drama threads, he will find the spiritual threads deceptive and part of the war drama (and this is true if ones life perception is a war drama).
Once the person realize the way out of the drama is internal spiritual work, there is a way for spiritual evolution. No matter who is the teacher and what is the teaching. The student must be ready to receive, otherwise the teaching can be dangerous and manipulative (see what comes out of religions).

I agree fully. Should have written: Loving his work does not keep me from searching... (instead of does not prevent me), saying he is not a kind of one and only guru for me.
Oh, words ! I just get the basic meaning, often not even that and I have no idea about various meanings, connotations and underlying submeanings in English. Never mind. Happy to be here listening and learning and laughing a lot. g.

[PathWalker]

I added interview summary to the initial post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?77341-Update-from-Drunvalo-Melchizedek-2014-11-19-Birkeland-currents-Mer-Ka-Ba-science&p=904991&viewfull=1#post904991). So you can read before listening.
Yet listening is fun, you get to see Drunvalo getting giddy.

Hope you enjoy it as much.
Joy and happiness
PathWalker