Is this bible text of Jesus, him saying he's an ET?

[Omni]

I recently came across this quote from the bible:
"And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world." KJV, John 8:23

I haven't read much of the bible or this particular section of the bible, and am curious if anyone knows anything about it. Maybe it was taken out of context when said to me. I'm not sure. But it seems like he is saying he is an ET. That is, if he even said that. I'm not so sure the bible is very accurate in what the character known as Jesus actually said.

According to the essene gospel of peace (IIRC, its been a while since i read it), Jesus said things like bathe(for the love of god bathe... lol), and don't eat rotten meat. Of course it was said more eloquently...

Anyone have perspective on this quote from the bible?

[kreagle]

I recently came across this quote from the bible:
"And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world." KJV, John 8:23

I haven't read much of the bible or this particular section of the bible, and am curious if anyone knows anything about it. Maybe it was taken out of context when said to me. I'm not sure. But it seems like he is saying he is an ET. That is, if he even said that. I'm not so sure the bible is very accurate in what the character known as Jesus actually said.

According to the essene gospel of peace (IIRC, its been a while since i read it), Jesus said things like bathe(for the love of god bathe... lol), and don't eat rotten meat. Of course it was said more eloquently...

Anyone have perspective on this quote from the bible?

Omniverse,

In the verse you have made mention of, Jesus is matter-of-factly stating His real Identity, that He was not earthly in origin, but Heavenly. You'll also notice that He was directly speaking to some of His chief adversaries, the Pharisees, ( ch. 8:13). These individuals were suppose to be the elite religious leaders of the Jews, and here we find Jesus literally 'pulling back the veil' to attempt to reveal who He really was,......the Lord God, Himself, revealed in a fleshly body, ( the 'veil'). The Bible plainly states this in 1 Timothy 3:16


1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


If you'll also read further in John chapter 8, verses 56-59, you'll equally see how Jesus was further attempting to reveal His true identity when He plainly stated that,....."Before Abraham was, I am." Any Jewish religious leader, especially the Pharisees, clearly knew what Jesus was insinuating, here. He had just made the claim that He was the 'same' I AM that God identified Himself as to Moses in Exodus 3:14,....and for this statement they were infuriated and attempted to stone Him for His claim.

Hence,.....this is why He could confidently state,....."And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world." KJV, John 8:23

While 'some' may claim this makes Him an ET,.....the Bible, more accurately, reveals Him as God, Himself.

Hope this clears this up for you, my friend.


Your brother, friend, and servant,.......kreagle

[Kbrammcdonald]

Jesus is God and God is not of this earth therefore he is extraterrestrial.

[dim]

World =/= Earth
therefor the:


I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world. - John 16:33



he doesn't speak about planets but of states, "world" is a state or commonly: "world state"

but furthermore, most old souls are coming from long galactic journeys that span millions of years
incarnating in different star systems for life cycles that take up many generations to complete
there's nothing so profound about it

[Maunagarjana]

Jesus is heavenly? So that means he's from the heavens, ie. the sky, as in outer space? I think he was an ET soul incarnated on the Earth to demonstrate that we are all immortal spiritual beings, and also the primacy of spirit over matter. As he said, "All the things I do, YOU can also do, AND EVEN GREATER THINGS." People misunderstood (as Earth humans always do) and put him on a pedestal and assumed that all the things he said about himself didn't apply to everyone else too. That's the sort of spiritual impoverishment we've been stuck in for eons.

He's not the Creator (not to the exclusion of everyone else, at least....if he was, he would have said so explicitly, not hinted at it in some cryptic and opaque throwaway-line clues.) He's not the ruler of the planet either....you'll recall he was offered dominion over the Earth by Satan (which suggests that whatever Satan symbolizes - reptilians maybe? - is in control here) and Jesus told him to get lost. Ruling Earth was not his mission. He was here to demonstrate something much more profound. And it doesn't have anything to do with any gruesome human sacrifice to remove a curse that never existed in the first place. He was just a spiritually advanced being who had taken a very difficult mission to try to wake humanity up to who and what we really are.

[Operator]

A local pastor told me in a private conversation that the original text in the bible says that Mary was 'overshadowed' by an angel
and told her she would have a child not from this earth. He said that the word 'overshadowed' can be translated in interesting ways
and that he could not repeat on Sundays before the congregation ... :becky:

The context of our conversation was history, truth and (explicitly) extra terrestrials ... He brought it up all by himself.

[meeradas]

Have you read the Thiaoouba Prophecy (http://bioresonant.com/dl/download.htm?name=tp-typeset.pdf)? [answers the op's question]

and Billy's post fits perfectly:

[Billy]

In this painting The christ salvator mundi - by da vinci..The Christ holds the crystal ball with the three stars of the Pleiades that represent the Solar Trinity. His right hand points to the heavens. He points to his address.


28124

More here.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34661-The-christ-salvator-mundi-by-da-vinci...-He-holds-a-crystal-ball-the-solar-trinity

[Eric J (Viking)]

At the time his real name was Jmmanuel over the years it was changed to Jesus for various reasons...yes he was and is from the higher dimensions...ptb know this and have covered this up for eons and steered mankind's thoughts towards their goal. As a truther he brought much truth to humanity but paid the price as is today with many. I am sure he is watching and waiting as we speak.

IMO the time will come for flock to gather and taken to the prepared places. We are in the end of the cycle.

Google 'The Phoenix Journels' ... much truth is presented within

Viking

[Akasha]

.....If you'll also read further in John chapter 8, verses 56-59, you'll equally see how Jesus was further attempting to reveal His true identity when He plainly stated that,....."Before Abraham was, I am." Any Jewish religious leader, especially the Pharisees, clearly knew what Jesus was insinuating, here. He had just made the claim that He was the 'same' I AM that God identified Himself as to Moses in Exodus 3:14.....

.....who also, it is alleged, inspired the following in the same book:



Exodus 21:2-6 (KJV)

2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.

3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.

4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.

5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free:

6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.



as well as:



Exodus 21:7-11 (KJV)

7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.

8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.

9 And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.

10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.

11 And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.



not to mention:



Exodus 21:20-21 (KJV)

20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.

21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.



and finally from the following book, Exodus:



Leviticus 25:44-46 (KJV)

44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.

45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.

46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.



To those who claim (the biblical) god is the same yesterday, today and forever.....in other words, not subject to the cultural whims of humanity over time, how are the above quotes reconciled with "love one another as I have loved you"? Did Jesus know his Bible that well as to be aware of the hole he was digging for himself with his "I Am" reference?

[21g]

Could have been referencing his and their state of consciousness.
Specifically what Chakras were activated, JC`s above the diaphragm,
his followers solar plexus and below. Possible i suppose.

For the love of God bathe - Sound advice on a number of levels, lol.
Also aids the etheric body and chakras ?

[Jake]

I do believe that Jesus WAS trying to teach and explain the nature of a multidimensional Universe and consciousness to folks who's language base and cultural bias came from the limited, religious mindset of the time... How do you describe color to someone who has never seen color? How do you describe a dream to someone who has never dreamt?

I posit that the Soul is infinite,, and the human gnome only goes back a blink of time.... Therefore it is quite silly to think that ANY of us are human by origin...

We don't have a species wide amnesia for nothing... We did Not crawl out of the neandertal age on our bloody hands and knees...

Look in a mirror, I say... That is where you will find ET.... None of us came from here... ;););)

None, I say....

Jake

[ghostrider]

his spirit form is not of this world , his body is of earth , his spirit form is not ... it is said his spirit form is of the plejaren's lineage , the same teacher of spiritual matters sent to earth for the last 13,500 years ... Enoch-Isaiah-Elijah-Jeremiah-Immanuel-Muhammad-Beam ...the seven prophets from the seven sisters ... he said repeatedly , what's inside him is what's important not his person ...it's the spirit inside that does the work ...

[birddog]

Hi Omni,

Most everyone off world is looked upon as alien, ET, or other world being. Heavenly beings are a class in themselves. You may refer to Jesus as ET, but he is closer to being your brother. Jesus is the Son of God. He taught us to pray...and He looked towards the heavens, "Our Father", who is in heaven..., and when He was on the cross, He looked up at the heavens, and cried, "Father, hast thou forsaken me?". Jesus was calling out to God, whom He thought had forgot Him. He was human while on Earth, but more, as His heavenly gifts were many. While here, he showed us many miracles...raising the 'dead', making the 'blind' see, quieting the storm, and, at the wedding, the wine and the fishes, were among the many. He truly is the Son of God, and He lives on, ageless, and having a full life in the heavens. That's right, I said it with an 's'. There is a Heaven, (place), and there are many 'heavens' or, heavenly skies. He always told us, "My
kingdom is not of this world", still many people never really 'got it'. Even today, some think that one must have a certain color hair, or eyes, or skin, because they were located in a certain part of the world. That's just not so, not if one comes from another world. Jesus looks the same today as many years before.

I wonder, if you would think of Jesus as an alien, if you saw Him with aliens? I also wonder if we all would think differently of aliens, if, instead, we referred to them
as 'other-world' beings. When they look at us, that's how they see us, as other-world beings. And, when we look at people from another country, here on Earth, we often refer to them as 'aliens', too. :)

[birddog]

Operator said... " A local pastor told me in a private conversation that the original text in the bible says that Mary was 'overshadowed' by an angel
and told her she would have a child not from this earth. He said that the word 'overshadowed' can be translated in interesting ways
and that he could not repeat on Sundays before the congregation ... "

The Virgin birth is as such. One has to have knowledge of the concept of dimensions to understand this. Think some advanced form of 'in vitro' fertilization, that would not go through the birth canal. This angel, was not of Earth, sent by God.

This has nothing to do with sex.

[Tyy1907]

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You guys might find Franco Denicola's info on Jesus interesting. Skip to 1:57:00

[Agape]

I recently came across this quote from the bible:
"And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world." KJV, John 8:23

I think that's all he understood about himself - not being of this world .

None of the humans running around are 'of this world' except for not understanding , or not remembering . You don't have to be religious entity to understand and to remember . But in past .. science and religions were taught beside each other .. in one single cauldron of information, now they're not .

I don't think we're to forget so easily that Jesus was crucified by his fellow humans for speaking his truth, heart and stating the obvious .

Even to this day , when someone is 'too honest, too good , too compassionate , too loving ... too truthful ' people tend to remark in jest, 'oh, you're not of this world ' .
If you happen to be on 'that side of things' permanently , you probably understand it after some time as well , when you grow up ..

many 'out of this world's ' never do .. or don't make it beyond certain point in life, I suspect ..
because human society does not tolerate outsiders . No matter how good you're , they're perfectly allergic to the idea that someone ( intelligent entity ) could be here and could be different ..yet ... it'd not pose immediate business benefits .

I still think we have slightly better chance with 'truth speaking' than he had .. 2000 years ago...but 2000 years is not as much as it seems to be .

We still remember the hurts . Society remembers them . They're alive elsewhere ..


:panda:

[Tyy1907]

I recently came across this quote from the bible:
"And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world." KJV, John 8:23

I haven't read much of the bible or this particular section of the bible, and am curious if anyone knows anything about it. Maybe it was taken out of context when said to me. I'm not sure. But it seems like he is saying he is an ET. That is, if he even said that. I'm not so sure the bible is very accurate in what the character known as Jesus actually said.

According to the essene gospel of peace (IIRC, its been a while since i read it), Jesus said things like bathe(for the love of god bathe... lol), and don't eat rotten meat. Of course it was said more eloquently...

Anyone have perspective on this quote from the bible?

Jesus also could have been saying that he was from higher consciousness, "the world" representing lower consciousness or "sin" as the bible calls it. I wouldn't rule out the ET connection either though. He also spoke of "many mansions" in "his fathers house". To me he is alluding to other habitable planets and civilizations.

[Jake]

Somewhere in John it refers to Jesus saying he has other 'sheep in other folds'.. I've often wndered if there is a hidden message there too..

Jake..

[birddog]

Perhaps, " 'sheep in other folds' ", means sheep on other worlds.

[Tangri]

A local pastor told me in a private conversation that the original text in the bible says that Mary was 'overshadowed' by an angel
and told her she would have a child not from this earth. He said that the word 'overshadowed' can be translated in interesting ways
and that he could not repeat on Sundays before the congregation ... :becky:

The context of our conversation was history, truth and (explicitly) extra terrestrials ... He brought it up all by himself.

Holy Quran
Surat Maryam
19:17 And she took, in seclusion from them, a screen. Then We sent to her Our Angel, and he represented himself to her as a well-proportioned man.
19:18 She said, "Indeed, I seek refuge in the Most Merciful from you, [so leave me], if you should be fearing of Allah ."
19:19 He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy."
19:20 She said, "How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste?"
19:21 He said, "Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed.' "
19:22 So she conceived him, and she withdrew with him to a remote place.
19:35 It is not [befitting] for Allah to take a son; exalted is He! When He decrees an affair, He only says to it, "Be," and it is.

http://quran.com/19

According to Holy Quran," father of Jesus was the Angel Gabrial

[Mu2143]

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[Maunagarjana]

To those who claim (the biblical) god is the same yesterday, today and forever.....in other words, not subject to the cultural whims of humanity over time, how are the above quotes reconciled with "love one another as I have loved you"? Did Jesus know his Bible that well as to be aware of the hole he was digging for himself with his "I Am" reference?

The funny thing to me about the I AM, reference was that in English, when people write it, they always capitalize it for emphasis. But the line was written in ancient Greek, and ancient Greek is all capital letters. There were no lower case letters, so no such emphasis existed in the original. It's a typical theological mountain out of a molehill sort of thing that results from people obsessing way too much over every line in the Bible to the point where they miss the forest for the trees.

[Maunagarjana]

You are from the Matrix (your soul)and I am from the eternal spirit world (His soul)
You are of this realm (mortal) ;I am not of this realm (immortal)

His real physical father was a (ET/ED) with non corruptible DNA which
was part of the recue plan for this world.
Because everything that was corrupted was passed true the male DNA.
Your DNA changes has a effect on your soul.
Because of this he was able to create a new being out of this
during his live here on earth making his physical
body immortal and he has a new name that has not yet being revealed.

the Pharisees did not understand this ,because they are of
this world and are spiritual blind And it is still the same thing today.

The conclusion he created a new spiritual body out of this physical body
that now can clean out the DNA corruption of this body for free so you can
take this body with you to the other side which is the Heavenly


I think you've got it backwards. He didn't make his physical body immortal. His physical body disintegrated into dust. He created a new physical body from his spirit. That's what he wanted to show us. The primacy of spirit. And no, I don't think that body he made was immortal. He just used it for a time to make a point. Material bodies are just decaying molecular forms and there's no need to identify with such a temporary vehicle.

[Mu2143]

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[Jake]

I saw a man walking on the road,, wether in his body, or out,,, I do not know,,, only God knows...

There is still much ambiguity with regards 'the body', and what is being referred to... A resurrected body would be different from say, the astral body... Being that the main difference is a 'point of veiw',, (all things physical beinv constructs of energy, and therefore only physical from a specific perspective) I say we have much to learn with regards our presupposed ubderstanding of ascencion or resurrection..

Physicality is a point of view and one day we will study physics in Philosophy class...

And the mysteries of the ancient manuscripts will come to life again...


methinks
Jake

[TrumanCash]

The so-called bible has been mistranslated and probably intentionally changed so much how can anyone figure out anything about it? For example, the word "hell" never appeared in the bible. The original word in the bible was "Gehenna", the garbage dump for Jerusalem. Hell (also spelled "Hel") was the Nordic Goddess of death and the underworld. It begs the question: How did a Nordic Goddess get into the bible? Could it have anything to do with her being the daughter of the trickster God Loki, the Nordic God of discord and chaos?

However, if one assumes that maybe some of the stuff was accurate (which is really quite a stretch), ETs could have performed all of the so-called miracles with clones, abduction, holograms, teleportation, time travel, etc, etc. Plus, pretty much everything in the current translations of the bible indicate the same basic story line used by the Egyptian "gods" whom I had met personally in association with the Great Pyramid. Ra was the Sun God and the Son of God. Ptaah was the father God. The rituals conducted in the Great Pyramid involved 12 priests circumambulating around the 13th person/initiate on the sarcophagus, who represented the "Son/Sun of God" (notice the astronomical representation). This ritual involved drinking the blood of an innocent person (lamb) from a golden chalice and ascension into "heaven", which was actually a typical flying saucer where the "God" Ptaah sat on a throne in a cloudy room. I know because I was there. Also, the bible refers to the so-called "Jesus" as the "capstone". Get it?

The common people celebrated the eucharist to Osiris where they made crackers of Osiris and brewed ale and then the symbolically ate the body (cracker) of Osiris and drank the blood (ale) of Osiris for eternal life.

Ra (also known as Horus or Amen or Amen-Ra) was the Rising Sun (as well as the Son of God), which of course, occurs on December 25th, the day after the winter solstice (in the northern hemisphere).

I cover this in more detail throughout THE EYE OF RA. Here is a quote from an article I wrote entitled "The Origin of Christmas" (It's on page 113 of the EYE OF RA pdf, link below):

He was the "Light of the World," the Savior of mankind, the Son of God whose mother, some believed, was a mortal virgin. His birth, celebrated on the 25th of December, was attended by shepherds and by Magi bringing gifts. He healed the sick, raised the dead, cast out demons, caused the blind to see and the lame to walk. At his Last Supper his twelve disciples shared a sacramental meal of bread and wine--the wine representing the Savior's blood and the bread his body. Upon his death he was placed in a stone tomb where he was resurrected and then ascended to heaven. His symbol was the cross. Am I describing the Savior known as "Jesus Christ"? Absolutely not. This was Mithra, the God of War!

We can trace the origin of Mithra back to at least 1400 B.C.

BTW, the word that many people use to end prayers is "Amen". Amen was the God of War in Egypt. (Be careful what you pray for.)

And may the truth set us free,
TLC

[kreagle]

Somewhere in John it refers to Jesus saying he has other 'sheep in other folds'.. I've often wndered if there is a hidden message there too..

Jake..



Perhaps, " 'sheep in other folds' ", means sheep on other worlds.


Hello Jake and birddog,


The quote you are referring to, Jake, is found in John chapter 10, verse 16. Yes, I would say that the message was hidden, at this particular point, in that Jesus was speaking of a time in the very near future concerning these 'other sheep'. It should be noted that Jesus' conversation, as recorded in John chapter 10, was directed to His 'current' fold, which consisted entirely of Jewish members. Finally, in verse 16, we find that Jesus speaks of a time in the 'future' when He would gather 'other sheep', ( ie.,....non-Jewish), into the fold, likewise. It's important to realize that He, ( Jesus), never spoke of fold(s), in the plural, but always in the 'singular',....fold.


John 10 (KJV)

10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.


After the death and resurrection of Jesus, we find that some of His final directives to His followers, the disciples, were dedicated to this task of 'bringing the fold together into one fold. These were His final words as He stood on earth, just prior to His ascension to Heaven.


Acts 1:8-9 (KJV)

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.


To no surprise, this order of witnessing,.....First to Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, (the Jews),.......Secondly to Samaria, ( a mixture of Jewish heritage, and gentile),....and last, but not least, the uttermost part of the earth, ( the Gentiles, or everyone else of non-Jewish heritage), is the 'exact' order the disciples, ( Apostles), implemented as they brought this 'one fold' together, fulfilling the commandment of Jesus.

To 'those' who might like to see this for themselves, you can read the following the following Biblical texts concerning this.

1) - Acts chapter 2 ( the Jewish heritage, Jerusalem, and in all Judaea) entered the 'fold' through the 'born-again' experience Peter spoke of in Acts 2:38

2) - Acts 8:5-17 ( Samaria, the mixed-race of Jews and Gentiles) entered the 'fold' through the same 'born-again' experience Peter spoke of in Acts 2:38

3) - Acts chapter 10 ( uttermost part of the earth, the Gentiles) entered the 'fold' through this self-same 'born-again' experience Peter spoke of in Acts 2:38 ( note verses 44-48 of chapter 10 concerning Cornelius and his household, the first Gentiles to enter the 'fold'.)

Your brother, friend, and servant,........kreagle

[Maunagarjana]

You are from the Matrix (your soul)and I am from the eternal spirit world (His soul)
You are of this realm (mortal) ;I am not of this realm (immortal)

His real physical father was a (ET/ED) with non corruptible DNA which
was part of the recue plan for this world.
Because everything that was corrupted was passed true the male DNA.
Your DNA changes has a effect on your soul.
Because of this he was able to create a new being out of this
during his live here on earth making his physical
body immortal and he has a new name that has not yet being revealed.

the Pharisees did not understand this ,because they are of
this world and are spiritual blind And it is still the same thing today.

The conclusion he created a new spiritual body out of this physical body
that now can clean out the DNA corruption of this body for free so you can
take this body with you to the other side which is the Heavenly


I think you've got it backwards. He didn't make his physical body immortal. His physical body disintegrated into dust. He created a new physical body from his spirit. That's what he wanted to show us. The primacy of spirit. And no, I don't think that body he made was immortal. He just used it for a time to make a point. Material bodies are just decaying molecular forms and there's no need to identify with such a temporary vehicle.

You said ;
"I think you've got it backwards. He didn't make his physical body immortal. His physical body disintegrated into dust"

What is then the point of incarnating in this body if he created it from the spirit?
His immortal soul using the physical body to write in the spirit the new man

There is some truth in the new age about the "ascension" , but if
you disintegrated it is going to be pretty hard to do it if your no longer here.

He wrote a new spiritual body using this physical body as the
base and made a new man out of this dual mortal body.

The physical body is currently animated by the soul that is
incarnated in that body like a cartoon that is not real but yet it is alive and
will turn in to dust if the soul leaves the body.

Yeshua Hamashiach created a living body out of this physical
body that is a real body and then ascended to heaven after he was resurrected

You can't resurrect dust , but with a physical body that is still here you can


Post update
Wanted to add that there is a spiritual realm of this physical
realm it is the realm of the living death so to speak.
And there is a spiritual realm that does not have our problem ,but
because of it its effect effects everything else that is part of the creation.


I'm saying that the "resurrected" body was a different body. I think the whole thing is a big misunderstanding. The women went to the tomb. It was empty. There was no body. It was gone. Then Jesus appeared again. He didn't resurrect that old corpse. That would be ghoulish, and really unnecessary. He created a physical illusion (illusion may not be the right word, because it was real....a real illusion), in all senses indistinguishable, wounds and all, from the body that died and disintegrated. That is what many people over the millennia have been saying all along, and the church called this the Docetism heresy, but even they didn't get it exactly right, because they assumed he was this illusion all along.



There is some truth in the new age about the "ascension" , but if
you disintegrated it is going to be pretty hard to do it if your no longer here.

You don't get it. Even if our body is gone, we are still there. That's because we are are not our bodies, we are spiritual beings inhabiting bodies. In fact, only a small portion of our greater being is incarnate at any given time. Most of us exists already in the spirit world, and never left. If, after crossing over, you had the knowledge of how to use all of that power that a full fledged spirit has (which very few do), then generating a new physical body would be child's play.