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citsym
5th December 2014, 06:28
This is more of a question post... it's not jammed with links and facts to make a point. Rather something I have found confusing and would welcome insights on the material.

There seems to be a division (certainly in my understanding) between TPTB and the Islamic picture of the future.

On the one hand TPTB are reported to be going for the decimation of the population, so they can rule and control the 500.000 million that are left on the planet. TPTB
will of course have all the wealth and the poor 500.000 will be their slaves!


Many are very open about the fact that they believe that the earth should only have 500 million people (or less) on it.

For example, the first of the “new 10 commandments” on the infamous Georgia Guidestones states the following….

“Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.”

CNN Founder Ted Turner would go even farther….

“A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”

Dave Foreman, the co-founder of Earth First, says that reducing our population down to 100 million is one of his three main goals….

“My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with its full
complement of species, returning throughout the world.”

Sadly, this kind of garbage is even being taught at major U.S. universities. For example, Professor of Biology at the University of Texas at Austin Eric R. Pianka
once wrote the following….

I do not bear any ill will toward people. However, I am convinced that the world, including all humanity, WOULD clearly be much better off without so many of us.

Mikhail Gorbachev thinks that reducing the global population by 90 percent would be just about right….

“We must speak more clearly about sexuality, contraception, about abortion, about values that control population, because the ecological crisis, in short, is the
population crisis. Cut the population by 90% and there aren’t enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage.”

Source (http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/from-7-billion-people-to-500-million-people-the-sick-population-control-agenda-of-the-global-elite.)

So TPTB want to decrease the population, so they can control, enslave us and live in splendor>

But what about Islam. As a State it is driven to promote violence against non-believers and is spreading throughout the world, aiming for world domination.

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm).

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Here we have Islam wanting the whole world converted, wanting it ALL! So what’s happening here?

TPTB are controlled by aliens and have apparently signed up with the wrong crowd, and are between a rock and a hard place.

Islam (IMHO) is controlled by the Archons, their Jinn... who feed off fear and negativity, and promote this constant violence.

It seems like two conflicting agendas, but I believe we have the same situation in the Alien's camps... conflicting agendas.

So it seems that everyone has their own agenda:

Aliens and we don't know how many different agendas there are here, but let’s say they want the Earth for themselves but each race wants it in a different way!
TPTB ... we think we know theirs, reduce the population and enslave and control.
Islam ... world control under the Islamic State.

Us ... the fodder

Added to all this is that we are just an experiment, but SO too are the Aliens. Are the Archons too? Are we all in a Petri dish, all experiencing ... and is the only answer: ... "the answer is love" ... as in "What was the question"

Is it all pointing to returning to first source, is that the whole concept?

sdv
5th December 2014, 08:41
First, I humbly request that you rethink your wording. You use Islam as a blanket term. Most Muslims do not support the beliefs that you describe (none that I know do, and I know and live among many). Just as most Christians do not ascribe literally to every word in the Bible, most Muslims do not believe and ascribe literally to every word in the Quran. There are fundamentalists and violent radical groups among Christians, just as there are among Muslims. The views held by and actions taken by ISIS are those of a group and not of Islam. (For now, I will use the term ISIS, until someone comes up with a better term because the only other term I can offer is 'a violently destructive group of people within the Muslim population'.)

Secondly, I agree with you in that I think that both groups have the same agenda but use different methods (both want to control the world's population to create an idyllic world that is in alignment with own beliefs). I find both idyllic worlds repulsive. Both take humanity backwards instead of forwards to become space-faring beings using free energy to live in peace and prosperity on this planet and to explore the Universe.

Lastly, I wonder if the contamination of humanity is not by the same Archon, who is not attached to a particular group or method but opportunistically uses beliefs and behaviours to keep humanity trapped on this planet and interfere with the creation of peace and prosperity on this planet. (The Space Trilogy, called The Cosmic Trilogy in the US, by C. S. Lewis has a lot of very thought-provoking information about the Archon and about Earth being a prison planet under quarantine.)

Violet
5th December 2014, 08:55
I'm confused too. My favourite radio station, our local Radio 1, is now having all sorts of bizar interviews like about why some foreigners go for naturalisation and why others don't and how this must probably be tied with a (lack of) sense of pride for the home country. And why some foreigners replying to local politics are acting like drama queens (that used to not be their vocabulary) and I don't know where this is coming from lately.

It used to be such a nice and fairly unbiased (sometimes positively discriminating) set of news talk...

Makes me think of back then when I liked reading De Morgen newspaper (DM) and started seeing a right wing streak in it and then switched over to De Standaard newspaper which I still think is a bit stiff but at least it puts more effort in its neutrality. Then I heard DM and HLN newspaper are from the same publishing group, which explains a lot.

I don't like division, I like dialogue, but not division.

Love and peace and all the good things you want starting from this weekend, as far as I'm concerned.

citsym
5th December 2014, 14:03
First, I humbly request that you rethink your wording. You use Islam as a blanket term. Most Muslims do not support the beliefs that you describe (none that I know do, and I know and live among many). Just as most Christians do not ascribe literally to every word in the Bible, most Muslims do not believe and ascribe literally to every word in the Quran. There are fundamentalists and violent radical groups among Christians, just as there are among Muslims. The views held by and actions taken by ISIS are those of a group and not of Islam. (For now, I will use the term ISIS, until someone comes up with a better term because the only other term I can offer is 'a violently destructive group of people within the Muslim population'.)

Secondly, I agree with you in that I think that both groups have the same agenda but use different methods (both want to control the world's population to create an idyllic world that is in alignment with own beliefs). I find both idyllic worlds repulsive. Both take humanity backwards instead of forwards to become space-faring beings using free energy to live in peace and prosperity on this planet and to explore the Universe.

Lastly, I wonder if the contamination of humanity is not by the same Archon, who is not attached to a particular group or method but opportunistically uses beliefs and behaviours to keep humanity trapped on this planet and interfere with the creation of peace and prosperity on this planet. (The Space Trilogy, called The Cosmic Trilogy in the US, by C. S. Lewis has a lot of very thought-provoking information about the Archon and about Earth being a prison planet under quarantine.)



Thanks for the input, much appreciated.

The use of "Islam" is what it is, just as if we use "Christian -Jew - or other" ....it denotes a way of living that people follow. Whether they follow it as a radical or a follower that does not support the beliefs of the religion is not the issue! Please listen to Briggette Gabriel on her take on the peaceful religious majority ...

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It's not the peaceful and non-supporters of beliefs that we need to be concerned about, it's the radicals...

Archons... Yes, I think they inhabit all groups ... but if you believe in them, as do the Arab countries, I would think that their control would be greater. I wonder if they have an alliance with some of the Alien races to keep us trapped... I don't know.

Prison planet, ... I think we are the wardens!

ghostrider
5th December 2014, 18:33
the dangers of Islam spreading their conquest around the entire globe is a very real threat ... they work non-stop to achieve a goal of the entire planet having ONE faith ... the PTB are completely ignorant about this fact ... the Earth has too many minds filled with the lust for power and control , in their megalomania they look at their agenda and completely ignore the dangers posed by their quest ... they ignore the law of cause and effect , and the saying do unto other as you would have done unto you ... swinging the sword of conquest only swings a sword back at you ... plotting the death of millions only plots your own demise ... as long as Islam is around , the PTB will never have their utopia ... Henoch foretold ALL of Europe will fall to Islam and the fanatics will retain their power for a long time , and it will spread across the entire globe if we don't unite and stop it ... forget the PTB's agenda , they don't strap bombs on their person and look for crowded areas of innocent people ... the pilots of chemtrail planes can be enlightened , the soldiers of armies can change their thinking , doctors making deadly viruses can have an Aha moment , large corporations are full of people that can be swayed but , Islam acts for it's GOD in a spiritual WAR , you can't buy them, enlighten them , reason with them , religion is grounded in them from birth , from their history , their struggle against Christians , to serve their god , they will never give up ... they will kill as many non believers as it takes until the world is rid of those who think differently ...

Tangri
6th December 2014, 00:55
I know , not whole avalonians are well intentended and intellectual, but you are the lower one I think. One can find any unintellectual writing and gulible coment on the internet, but really, are you this person?

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I see so many retarded ass Christians talking about abortion being a crime against God. It’s not a wonder that they are hard pressed to find a conclusive biblical statement to corroborate their position. In their determination to control women they have been forced to rely on exceedingly weak sections such as “thou shall not kill”,”I kneweth thou in the womb” and their favorite: “When men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no harm follows, the one who hurt her shall be fined, according as the woman’s husband shall lay upon; and he shall pay as the judges determine. If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth...“--Exodus 21:22-24 The problem here is that the man who injures a pregnant woman in the process, shall repay her according to the degree of injury inflicted on her, not the fetus. I am often dumbfounded at how Christians can assume that abortion is wrong judging by these feeble verses when the Bible clearly advocates infanticide and many other atrocities against children and pregnant women. I can no longer allow such ignorance of the Bible and deem it necessary to expose the true agenda. I am tired of the many young Christians who are brainwashed by their clergy. They are only taught the “love and mercy” parts of the Bible and never bother to read what is not so openly preached ."

http://www.evilbible.com/god%27s%20not%20pro-life.htm


"Jewish ritual murder is the murder of a non-Jew by Jews in celebration of the Jewish religious festivals of Purim and Passover. The ritual's purpose is to drain the blood of a non-Jewish person (preferrably a young Christian boy) in order to make three cornered Purim pastries or matzo.[1] Both Purim and Passover celebrates the deaths of "oppressors" of the Jews and their children. Accusations/reports of Jewish ritual murders have occurred in all ages, including modern times (a famous instance happened in 1989 during the Oprah Winfrey Show[2] ). While some of these may have been false charges, a strong case in favour of the reality of Jewish ritual murder was presented by Arnold Leese in 1938[3] in his book My Irrelevant Defence. Most recently Philip de Vier published the book Ritual Murder in 2001."

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ritual_murder

citsym
6th December 2014, 01:05
Tangri ... ?? Who are you talking too?

Azt
6th December 2014, 02:38
I think Islam, Christianism , Buddhism ... will be replaced by one but NEW religion that will adopt some points or not from these previous 3 religions. That seems their (NWO) agenda.