A ghost story

[donk]

It's mine

"Have...um...like spirits been following you your whole life?" My youngest asked (his brother is away at a sleepover, we are babysitting one of my best friend's 2 year old daughter)

He already knew the story automatically blurted forth from my apparently self-programmed mind.

How me and "uncle" Kenny played with a ouija board (which worked well enough to have my disbelieving ass fooled), which may or may not have let in the angry dude that (unquestionably undeniably to many witnesses) haunted his house in our childhood.

Then the shadow dude and multitude of phenomena at the house my babe and I moved into together a few years back. Completely unrelated, of course, I tell myself knowingly for the hundredth time.

I think I see 666 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71497-666...can-be-benign) is when I'm lying to myself, so deeply I can't see it...as I am constantly consciously seeking them out. The wind just kicked up, gusting in my slightly cracked window. I can't wait to start testing my theory.

But I digress, that's meaningless to the context I am trying not to deflect myself from: my boy is probably right. I got something attached...or keep creating attachments unwittingly, that are manifesting.

That's not to say that the manifestation isn't helped by others or that some aspects aren't entirely theirs...but there's definitely been a lot of denial on my part, rejection of ownership of any of it...so badly it's automatic of me to project it on the "obvious" external source.

I got another friggin entity problem now...freaking out my kid. Funny discussion in the car tonight. Unfortunately not always haha funny...like the affirmations of my feelings all night that there was someone else in the house with us besides just me, him and the baby.

The conversation took place on the car ride home. My boy tells me that she started her freak out after staring right at the same spot on the wall that Blue (our kitten) staring at and also dramatically reacted to. I believe infants and pets more than any grownup when it comes to spotting entires I'm not seeing.

Well, it had been kinda creeping in, the weirdness, for some time...we moved in in March and it felt clean and bright...and clear. It still feels bright and clean and cozy and home...but far from "clear".

And now I wonder how I brought it in, and what can I do about it

[skyflower]

I always burn sage when I move into a new place.

[Innocent Warrior]

My son is in his early teens and he's had spirits around him his whole life. He told me everybody does. Have you asked the being to leave? That's what my son did and he said they will if they're nice (I'm using his words btw). He did will an entity out of his life once. He did it by making the choice to not have him around and he stopped thinking about him and ignored him. He said his mind just started cutting him out after a while.

My son doesn't have any fear and obviously that's key but I think beliefs largely contribute too. The paranormal is an interest of mine, so I'm aware of a lot of scary experiences and I've had a few of my own, but my son doesn't have any scary experiences anymore. He's fearless and he says it's because they can't do anything to us. That's his firm belief and considering how aware he is of other beings, it's most effective. The last time I remember him scared was years ago.

Thanks for sharing.

[Meggings]

Well now, Donk, I'm up in the middle of the night because cat and I both felt dark intrusions. Cat always lets me know by staring intently and "seeing" - I often see the intrusions too, but tonight am feeling them. I have used a technique that certainly cleans things up - but the "jinns" for want of a better term - return because there is a lady of ill intent who seems to keep sending them. Here is the technique that does work:

Ask for help from Nature (however you want to term Nature), from Christ (however you want to term the Christ consciousness), from your own Higher Self, and from the protecting deva or spirits connected to your house/land/property.
Visualize a gold blanket of light about six feet under the bottom of your house that covers all your property.
Slowly raise up this blank of light through the basement and the levels of your house.
See it gathering up (or direct it to gather up) all the shadows and dark energies there.
Bring it up over the top of your house and trees.
Bring the four corners together at the top, encasing all the shadows, and tie it off.
Send it off above you, to return the energies to the "light" (or however you wish to term it).

This did work for me. But the lady keeps sending more bothersome shadows and "jinns", and I have been awakened a number of times by attack from her.
Sigh.
This is a new experience for me, and I am still feeling my way through how best to handle it.

Hope this helps, Donk.

[Meggings]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55024-Psychic-attacks-solutions-comments-and-advice&p=667743&viewfull=1#post667743

Donk, I have JUST read a post by Northstar on psychic attack. What he's experienced is similar to what I'm undergoing right now. And his intuition to get his Tibetan singing bowls out is the same intuitive thought I had - except we've moved and I may have packed them away, never to be seen by me again perhaps.

But were I able to access my singing bowls, it is what I would do. I have seen the "curse" as he calls it, affecting my own third eye.

I sure hope that link above works to take you to Northstar's valuable post.

[Lifebringer]

If it's true, then ask God to forgive you and your brother for tampering with occult doors and take away the entities from you and your family and your lives. Tell the entity when you feel it, that like the tuition monster, it's time to move on. Tell them are family members that love them and want them at peace. Anything non harmful to you and yours is the course. Get Holy water or energized water from a waterfall and have it blessed. Put it in a spray bottle that mists. You can add a little scent to the corners of the room like chamomile which relaxes and keep the zones of the home protected and calmer. It is amazing how pets and children can still see things we can not.

You can talk to it, lavish love in the home. Have a Indian elder sage it outside and that spot on the wall coming in, seal it with Holy water immediately. Prevention and faith can get you through this, if not and it becomes dangerous, then video camera it, send it out to the net, and let healers, exorcism specialist, to send it out of your home. Just ask. People know it's got to be getting on your nerves and if the camera catches it, then all the better to know what you're dealing with in your home with your children. Show no fear, as nothing has happened in all your years. For all you know, it could have been a naughty family member that came through and is just hanging around to keep in touch. So many reasons for the why, but i sense you have family members gone on the other side, that keep this type of thing to a minimum and are convincing it to leave you alone. Maybe if you ask it to go and tell it that its best if it left and returned from whence it came in the name of Jesus, as you mist the home, and don't forget the floors. A gallon of holy water goes a long way and also the closets and under the beds.

Strange times we're living in.

[donk]

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My son is in his early teens and he's had spirits around him his whole life. He told me everybody does. Have you asked the being to leave? That's what my son did and he said they will if they're nice (I'm using his words btw). He did will an entity out of his life once. He did it by making the choice to not have him around and he stopped thinking about him and ignored him. He said his mind just started cutting him out after a while.

My son doesn't have any fear and obviously that's key but I think beliefs largely contribute too. The paranormal is an interest of mine, so I'm aware of a lot of scary experiences and I've had a few of my own, but my son doesn't have any scary experiences anymore. He's fearless and he says it's because they can't do anything to us. That's his firm belief and considering how aware he is of other beings, it's most effective. The last time I remember him scared was years ago.

Thanks for sharing.

Ha! I finally got to where your son is only if took me a decade or two more. I don't read them, and gave my son the advice your son so wisely figured out so early on.

My story last night was not so much a plea for help, but a venting of what was on my mind. Trying to love more consciously each second of every day, I realize how important it is to turn off that internal monologue--and just then started recognize that sharing it might be a transformative solution when I just can't seem to shut it off.

It wouldn't stop cuz of the insight I started it with, that just because my love is super sensitive (& likely crawling with entities) and I had ready (external) explanations to any other paranormal episodes in my life...I have been reluctant to accept that some (or all) of the responsibility belongs to me.u


It was also a wake up call, the wacky stuff is ramping up again so something multidimensional is probably going on. Time to start looking at stuff like sage, thanks for that, I usually did that too but again, I/we mighta brought it in ourselves, our one "happy and still alive" previous owner of the house prob didn't leave whatever it is.

Meggings thank you for your replies, sorry for what you are going through--must be tough not getting that lady off your back...I'm definitely in line with your train of thought. I wonder if I got a "secret admirer ;)" as well and how much I am responsible for. This resonated with me too (as well as the rest of your thoughtful post):
So many reasons for the why, but i sense you have family members gone on the other side, that keep this type of thing to a minimum and are convincing it to leave you alone.

Something/someone seems to be looking out for me, making things easier (can't imagine where I'd be without help), I am truly blessed. Thankful for this place to work it all out and you all for listening and your insights

[ghostrider]

toss out any negative objects that seem to make you uneasy for starters ... it can be a candleholder , a picture , a small figurine , I know it's gonna sound weird but , too many black t-shirts , black coats , black boots , black posters , I'm talking dark colors dark energy ... in 1987 I did this , you'll be amazed at how clear the energy in the room will get , I did it spur of the moment in like 2hrs one day , like a crazy person ... best thing I did that year ...worked for me , hope it helps you ... take a look , a quiet spiritual look around your main room/rooms , the dark energy will jump out at your spiritual eye ...then toss it ... crystals placed around the house will help , check them after three days or so , if they start to look cloudy , take them outside and bury them and get more crystals , repeat this until the crystals stay clear ... crystals are number one for collecting up negative energy from a living space ...

[Innocent Warrior]

Ha! I finally got to where your son is only if took me a decade or two more. I don't read them, and gave my son the advice your son so wisely figured out so early on.

Great. :) Haha, me too, I teach him about the outer world (sorry son) and he teaches me about the inner world, so to speak.

My story last night was not so much a plea for help, but a venting of what was on my mind. Trying to love more consciously each second of every day, I realize how important it is to turn off that internal monologue--and just then started recognize that sharing it might be a transformative solution when I just can't seem to shut it off.

For sure, venting is highly therapeutic. Here's an effective method for anything you don't feel comfortable with sharing publicly (designed for personal issues we find hard to let go). I didn't come up with it but I can't remember where I got it from and who to give the credit to. You need a sheet of newspaper and a grey pencil. Write down everything you can think of (about the issue at hand) on the newspaper, with the grey pencil. Don't try to make sense of it or construct it properly, just pour your thoughts out as they come. When you're done, DON'T read what you've written, just tear it up into tiny pieces and throw it in the bin. The newspaper and the grey pencil makes it harder to read back and will serve as a reminder not to read it. You will feel your mind has been cleared after and it will open you up to other views, but if the issue returns then repeat the exercise.

It wouldn't stop cuz of the insight I started it with, that just because my love is super sensitive (& likely crawling with entities) and I had ready (external) explanations to any other paranormal episodes in my life...I have been reluctant to accept that some (or all) of the responsibility belongs to me.

I'm just coming into a clearer understanding of this at the moment myself, but my son told me that we only experience what we allow or buy into and that they have no real power over us. This issue is a part of this stage of my development and so far I must admit, the more I take responsibility for, the more free I feel. Quite paradoxical.

I was thinking about you and your thread last night, after I posted my reply and I remembered a method with crystals. I just read Ghostrider's reply (excellent suggestions btw) and it reminded me again. It's up to you whether you want to tell your son about this now or not, but it might be a good ace up Dad's sleeve. My friend was being physically attacked by a spirit in her house and my guide suggested I tell her this method. I mention this as an ace up your sleeve because my son's suggestions will help build your son's spiritual strength and it's not helpful to focus on the more scarier experiences unless they are happening. With that said, if he ever has a negative life experience and becomes depressed, it could leave him more susceptible to negative attachments. Anyway, here's the method. Hold a clear quartz crystal out and offer the crystal to the spirit. Make the offer out loud, actually speak to the spirit. Put the crystal down and leave it for about twenty minutes. Then take the crystal, a hammer and sunglasses and drive to somewhere away from your home. Put the glasses on to protect your eyes and then smash the crystal with the hammer. My friend did this and it worked. The person who is being attacked needs to do it and it's best to go out and buy a crystal for the occasion, you can buy the crystal for your son though.

Don't forget to avoid dark music and have lot's of fun. Whatever brings you joy also builds your spiritual strength and assists with protection. All the best to you and your son with this.

[Roisin]

I took a nap this afternoon. Was up for a good part of the night so I started going into a zombie state around 3pm today so I took a short nap. It would have been longer but then on a split conscious level I heard my name being called telling me to “wake up” and as I started doing that I smelled that foul odor of either a low level spirit or a reptilian. I say both because that’s how I detect when they are around…. Lol, call it a gift but I call it annoying. The female intelligence that wakes me up like that does so because whatever it is, it was trying to merge with me in my unconscious state. Not a good thing to happen by any stretch so “she” wakes me up when that happens.
Sometimes when that happens, while I’m still waking up, I’m shown an inner eye vision of a reptilian if that’s what’s around. Those in the non-locale call them demons. But I've also seen human disincarnates.... the earthbound ones too that try to merge with me. They are very scary looking. The lower the realm they're in, the more monstrous and animalistic they look.

PS -- yes, it's creepy and even to this day, when I think about it.... that I even experience stuff like this is even hard for me to wrap my mind around it. I keep thinking, "heck, are there other people out there who experience the same exact thing? ... Your name being called and then being told to "wake up" due to a potential demonic spirit take-over? And yes I feel it when they are trying to do that too. Well, if you're mediumistic.... that's the kind of stuff that happens to people like us and quite frankly, I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

[Roisin]

What saves me from such mergers and who and what is the voice that wakes me up.... they are Angels. I have a special connection to the Archangel Michael too and as for why I experience such things as what I talked about in my previous post here is because some of us, who can handle it, are assigned to experience such things to then talk about such experiences to others perhaps to remind them that there is much more to our world than what meets the eye. And that, negative entities DO exist. Most philosophies and religions KNOW that though they each have various names for them. Demons/Archons/Reptilians, of course, do not want you to know that they exist.

[Roisin]

And now I wonder how I brought it in, and what can I do about it

What can you do about it? Turn to God. It's as simple as that. Nothing works better than the power of prayer.

[donk]

Well i don't really have any fear of these things, and my kid isn't terrified of being directly attacked.

It seems to me IF it/they choose to try to harm anyone, then action should be taken to help transmute the negative energy/malevolence of the entities and/or banishment from that space I chose to move my family into (I guess that makes it "mine", right? And gives me the right to clear at as I see fit :rolleyes:)

I dunno, while the last place we were at, there were demons...entities that were malicious and angry and tried to harm us. I totally see black/white no reason not to try to "fix" that situation. Maybe I watched Beetlejuice too many times but I don't see where I get off imposing my will on entities who I don't even know their intent.

It seems damn deceptive, especially in light of the fact my special lady friend says she hasn't caught a good look at them, they seem to woosh around staying out of her sight. The kitties and babies see them though, they seem to really eff with the baby cat but it could be that the older one is just used to the nasty ones he grew up with so these guys are like nothing to him...another indicator they may be benign. And I don't trust the actual baby's judgement cuz her momma is so effed up and has her scared of her own shadow and God knows what else damage she's already done to that poor sweet two year old.

I guess what I was more concerned with is my ten year old's insight, what is it about me in connection to this stuff. James Gilliland suggested I might be a "battery", something I had never of before then. Thing about batteries is they tend to have no awareness of whatever it is they are being used to charge

[RUSirius]

Hey Buddy, Cats and Babies do see them, I've experienced that since I was young. Wish I had more to help you in your situation, but I'd just be guessing. My love goes out to you and your family.

[Earth Angel]

we are experiencing some heavy negative entities or shadow people in our home....one in particular has been around my daughter for many years now since she dated a seriously messed up young man....she used to see a black thing floating above him while he slept and also standing beside the bed....they came home with her and have been causing her sleepless nights for about 4 years now. Last night I had to sleep with her so she could fall asleep and she was feeling very nauseous too.

I was recently told that burning sage and sweetgrass is very helpful but that lavender which I had been spraying everywhere actually is something negative energies like.....has anyone heard this before?

[donk]

How can they be negative if they like lavender :o

http://blog.absolutechinatours.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Lavender.jpg

I love it!! Guess that tells you bout me ;)

[Earth Angel]

yes I have always heard lavender is good for cleansing but was told recently negative energies are attracted to it, wondered if anyone else ever heard this

[Violet]

Hi Donk (and other readers), Ouija boards are trouble. Throw them out if you have them. I got some not so nice visitors after messing with it as a kid. Not to mention no one believing you. I don't know where I got the solution from: to do with a glass jar and breaking it outside of the home, don't remember how it worked exactly.

As well, Ayatul Kursi, the verse of the Throne (translation here (http://sufism.org/foundations/quran-islam/quranic-chapters/ayat-al-kursi-the-throne-verse-from-the-quran-2)). I'm sure there are ample things you could use from your Bible and/or Torah, if applicable. My grandfather was stationed in the forest for a while and during night duty he met some creatures which he managed to control with such approach.

Be well and be safe.

[Innocent Warrior]

Ah, ok so what is it about you that attracts the spirits etc.?

My understanding is that they are all around and the difference with you and anybody else who experiences them is that you are open to them. You are sensitive enough to perceive them and you don't deny their existence. I'm right into the mechanics of things, so I tend to simplify everything, which means my replies could be unsatisfying for some, so I asked my young psychic consultant for you this morning. ;)

My son says spirits, ghosts, entities etc. are attracted to people for a number of different reasons. If they are benevolent then it is probably because you have a good energy and they like it...yay! If they are malevolent then maybe your energy is low and you are suffering and they can feed on your energy. Also, in the case of malevolent ones, your energy maybe really bright and they are attempting to put you in a state of fear, to dim your light. Then there's the cases of where it's the location and it's just a matter of you being able to sense them.

By the way, I just read the OP of your 666 thread and I think you're right on with the theory you posed in the OP of this thread. Mechanically speaking, it makes sense. Did you know that 666 is the inverse function of the golden mean? So with 666 being the yin and 1.61803398875 being the yang, it makes sense you would use the number 666 as a signpost for when you are "lying to yourself", at least in this case, it's telling you you're in denial. What an elegant way to communicate, nice!

I don't know about the lavender, I'd have to see a case study before I believed negative spirits etc. are attracted to it. The key to understanding the nature of things which are beyond physicality is to think energy. Look at lavender, the colour is a high frequency colour and the scent has a calming effect, also positive. Why would negative spirits etc. like lavender?

[Roisin]

[QUOTE=donk;910117]Well i don't really have any fear of these things, and my kid isn't terrified of being directly attacked.
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You posted this comment after mine so I assume that you are in some way addressing the information I shared in my first post about demonic spirit possession. If you or you child have ever experienced what it's like when a demonic entity attempts to take over your body, that instinctual reaction.... that fight or flight reaction kicks in along with an intense abrupt reaction of fear that kicks in too simultaneously.

I have spoken to many people who have been the subject of experiences like this and they all have the same kind of initial response to it whenever it happens too. That initial response itself operates to bounce those entities off of you so in that sense, for those who do not want a spirit take over like that... one that is not invited, our instinctual reactions protect us from it.... but not all of the time, I should add. But one needs to be in at least a semi-awake and in a conscious state for those initial reactions to kick in.

That, for some people like myself.... that such entities can even attempt such mergers when the person is asleep renders those entities as dangerous and something that is feared. There are other phenomena that occur too... I will not mention them here because, for me, when someone talks about what those potential take overs are like, if they mention the other things that happen during those times too.... then I know that they really DO know what that experience is like. Those are the indicators that allow me to tell if they have really had a potential spirit take over or not.

So I will not share what they are here.

So you and your child have never been terrified when you have such experiences as potential demonic take over? Then I surmise that neither of you have ever really had that experience before .... that fear that I'm talking about is an instinctual one and it's not anything that we have conscious control over. It's a fight or flight response.

Once one experiences a true attempted take over, that's enough to condition you to experience "fear" that it could happen again when one perceives it as a possibility.... a "sensing" of that potentiality at certain times....
Fear, in this sense is a conditioned response when one senses, at certain times, that a take over could be attempted for those who have actually had experiences of an attempted spirit possession/take over.

[william r sanford72]

if its not invited..boot it..my op. If someone has had an outright attempted take over... instinct/fear kicks in and..thats a marker for validation? if one truly has had such experiences... you would also understand the subtle side of a take over...and energys envolved..if a demon/enity was at work wouldn't it bee a more sound approach for said demon/enity to feed or atacht to said host in sneaky and subtle way???it would do no good for said enitys to infuse fear on a reactionary level and risk losing a host...food.. whatever..so its in one best interest to remember how long these things have been doing this gig..with us.just my OP..and experience
no worrys and blessings your way phil.
truth and balance
william.

[Roisin]

William asked if one truly has had such experiences... you would also understand the subtle side of a take over...and energys envolved..if a demon/enity was at work wouldn't it bee a more sound approach for said demon/enity to feed or atacht to said host in sneaky and subtle way???

Huh? Could you take the time to re-write what you are trying to express here for more clarity? Thanks ;)
Update: Well, you were here when I posted this post but you have since left so I can only surmise that you are talking about what it's like when one is under the influence of a demonic entity. Spiritualists call it "Spirit Obsession".

Also, you asked: "If someone has had an outright attempted take over... instinct/fear kicks in and..thats a marker for validation?"

Yup. That instinctual fight or flight reaction that I spoke about in my last post that includes the emotion of FEAR is also very pervasive in ET Abduction lore.

So I'm am not talking about things that are not already known even by people who have never had any experiences of abrupt entity attempted take overs but also people who have read books on that topic wrt alien abductions and demonic take overs.

[Roisin]

if its not invited..boot it..my op. If someone has had an outright attempted take over... instinct/fear kicks in and..thats a marker for validation? if one truly has had such experiences... you would also understand the subtle side of a take over...and energys envolved..if a demon/enity was at work wouldn't it bee a more sound approach for said demon/enity to feed or atacht to said host in sneaky and subtle way???it would do no good for said enitys to infuse fear on a reactionary level and risk losing a host...food.. whatever..so its in one best interest to remember how long these things have been doing this gig..with us.just my OP..and experience
no worrys and blessings your way phil.
truth and balance
william.

We are not talking about spirit obsessions William. We are talking about those instances of abrupt demonic take overs. There is a difference between the two and when they do it abruptly, that's when the fight or flight instinct kicks in which is a reaction of instinctual fear.

Once again, I'm not saying anything new here and that instinctual reaction to such events is very well documented by reputable researchers on not only demonic spirit possession but also those researchers in alien abductions.

That fight or flight reaction that is a reaction of intense instinctual fear also acts as a protective mechanism for us regardless of our fear and that they are said to feed off of fear. They are of course still feeding off of that fear when abrupt possessions are attempted but at least they don't attempt to merge again, at least not immediately.

[donk]

So you and your child have never been terrified when you have such experiences as potential demonic take over?

No, when I got jumped into, the dude snuck me...and only managed to stay in for a 10-30 second period of time before jumping in to my buddy and conversing with me (telling me that IT was actually me, myself, a mirror for me...) before I guess his hugher self booted it like mine I guess may have. i don't remember it being in me, so I have no fear reaction (yet). And that was at the old house anyway.

My son is only slightly scared of the typical ghost phenomena undeniably occuring, it sounds like another person is in the house when we are home, and the youngest freaks out a lot, it makes unsettled but I shouldnt have said terrified.

…..so William, I know this dude that helped put in my head the idea that shadow dude might be tech—whatcha think of that one??

It occurs to me there’s a lot of things going on here. When I was venting with the op, I was going in my head the current situation…how to explain to my kids what’s going on.

When I discussed it with Ness, it was an attempt to relive the memories we had together from a different perspective. I just KNEW at the time that demons were HERS…it did not occur to me that they would manifest if not for her.

She had seen “dead people” (her words) all her life, so of course, why not?

Then she broke it down: the house previous to me had a family of disembodied spirits that liked her and her kids (would sing lullabyes to the babies, and otherwise go about their homelife as if they were home and occasionally intruded on…not unlike Ness’ own experience, I guess). Then we got the house with shadow dude and straight demons, many people feeling the negative energy. Now the phenomenon is different as she hasn’t even actually “seen” these guys unless they are whisking by…which she found unusual…maybe they are something in between a confused or oblivious disembodied spirit and a straight evil entity?

Either way, the difference in our paths is that before, the other paranormal relationship I had was with the angry dude that seemed like a “typical” but nasty ghost at my best friend’s house. And yes, there was a sensitive person there that saw dead people (his sister). But it never occurred to me that I might be a “battery” to these types of things as well…so that’s kinda what I was exploring.

So anyway, I am musing in the exploration stage…I want to have a better idea of what I’m dealing before I take action. But I am posing for the thread an idea I discussed with a very good friend (who will perhaps chime in?): some of the shadow dudes seem like they could be technology. Whether their appearance is generated in our brain or it’s some kind of active camo (not in my case, I’m just saying in like MILAB cases, maybe some players are thrown in made to seem to the victim like these ghostly things?)….I dunno, just throwing it out there. In my experience I didn’t ever see the shadow dude, only its effects on the 3d and when it jumped in

[Roisin]

It used to be that people who were sci-fi prone would be more apt to say that all anomalous paranormal phenomena of any sort are caused by hard-core “nuts and bolts” technology. But that’s not necessarily so anymore due to lack of hard core evidence and proof to support that contention.
It’s taken many years for it to get to the point where we are now, as far as consideration goes, for accepting that there are such things as demons/archons/djinn or whatever one chooses to call them that are the instigators of such unexplainable, inexplicable phenomena.

This said though, a combo of black magick and demonic collaboration including the use of nuts and bolts technology would explain those phenomena experienced by MILABs and others too.

[william r sanford72]

if its not invited..boot it..my op. If someone has had an outright attempted take over... instinct/fear kicks in and..thats a marker for validation? if one truly has had such experiences... you would also understand the subtle side of a take over...and energys envolved..if a demon/enity was at work wouldn't it bee a more sound approach for said demon/enity to feed or atacht to said host in sneaky and subtle way???it would do no good for said enitys to infuse fear on a reactionary level and risk losing a host...food.. whatever..so its in one best interest to remember how long these things have been doing this gig..with us.just my OP..and experience
no worrys and blessings your way phil.
truth and balance
william.

We are not talking about spirit obsessions William. We are talking about those instances of abrupt demonic take overs. There is a difference between the two and when they do it abruptly, that's when the fight or flight instinct kicks in which is a reaction of instinctual fear.

Once again, I'm not saying anything new here and that instinctual reaction to such events is very well documented by reputable researchers on not only demonic spirit possession but also those researchers in alien abductions.

That fight or flight reaction that is a reaction of intense instinctual fear also acts as a protective mechanism for us regardless of our fear and that they are said to feed off of fear. They are of course still feeding off of that fear when abrupt possessions are attempted but at least they don't attempt to merge again, at least not immediately.

sorry about the lack of clarity and thank you for yours. spirit obsession..and abrupt possession.and I agree.was moving through the threads pretty fast and phils and your post were pretty interesting.:o
truth and balance..
William.