Sydney Australia: Seige in Martin Place (mid-Dec 2014; now over)

[Anchor]

The hostages are being forced to hold an black cloth sign with a slogan written in arabic.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/police-clear-martin-place-after-gunman-holds-hostages-at-lindt-chocolat-cafe-20141214-127824.html

Where I am working, the media theatrics are working to create fear. Airspace has been closed!

Where I am now ( cant say where exactly but within a few blocks) there is a lot of fear and not much work getting done.

[Billy]

A hard call but I send my intentions that no one is harmed and for a peaceful outcome.

[Anchor]

I send my intentions that no one is harmed and for a peaceful outcome.

Thankyou.

Easy call for me please do that.

The biggest problem I see at the moment is the fear being generated.

[Betty]

By looking at Google maps you can see that Reserve Bank of Australia is across the street from this Lindt Cafe. I was told that the Reserve Bank of Australia is just like our Federal Reserve.

[Ellisa]

Martin Place is a very important business centre in Sydney. The cafe is near the train station and there are many legal and banking offices all around. Many are now evacuated. Air space is apparently not completely closed down according to the latest news, though the Opera House (which is nowhere near Martin Place) is, and some other prominent places, as well as public transport, have been too. People still in the buildings have been told to stay in there and not to go outside, but some are being evacuated from the building which contains the cafe, and they are using ladders. Some reports suggested that 'devices' have been planted elsewhere, but it seems it may not be so.

It's a horrible thing to happen anywhere. I guess nowhere is safe--- very sad indeed.

[Gaia]

No prayers are adequate. In truth, there are no words for such a situation.

We can be clear that ISIS and their action is NOT the will of God. It is terror, it is hate, it is not love.

[Craig]

The media is in full circus mode - I am afraid for rational thought at the moment and am concerned about the mob mentality, I wonder what is behind this, what we can't see.

[Gaia]

The media is in full circus mode - I am afraid for rational thought at the moment and am concerned about the mob mentality, I wonder what is behind this, what we can't see.

The terrorists all get welfare benefits and anyone who dares speak out against them is punished.

[justntime2learn]

Peace, Love and Light to everyone...

[Amanda]

I view what is happening in Martin Place as fitting the profile for the Heligian Theory - Problem/Reaction/Solution. I am not entering into the panic. I am in the awakened state as are many many many others. I wonder how many people will view this as a psy ops? I hope no one is harmed.

Much Peace - Amanda

[TigaHawk]

I don't understand why they did not respond quickly. As in as soon as the police understood what was going on throw tear gas in every window and storm in with SWAT. We all know how hostage situations go - hours to possibly day's of sitting around with nothing. That's what is expected. Storming in suddenly would catch them unprepared. People may die - but that's the same as what will happen if they leave it go. Govt has a no negotiating with terrorists policy so none of their demands should be met. Letting this continue is utter BS - unless there's something important going on behind our parliament door's which is why this is being allowed to continue and take up every news station's airtime to keep the focus there rather than somewhere else.

[Positive Vibe Merchant]

because it is right across the road from MSM station they had cameras rolling quickly. The TV and social media are all going nuts, and people speculating. Facebook is fuilled with hate messages already..

This is all a big false flag. unfortunately you can't do that without innocent people being mixed up in it...

[TigaHawk]

Am getting sick of this fairly quickly. Work has put it up on the TV screens around the office so we can all keep up to date on the situation.

I did ask if we could change the channel to cartoons but got some stern looks :|

There should be something in place that makes it against the law for news stations to broadcast anything about situations like this. Part of what they want is the publicity. Ensuring that if something like this does happen and there is not a peep of it on the media until the situation has been completely resolved would act as a deterrent (if they have been setup outside of the PTB's planned BS) as knowing they wont get any media coverage would be a deterrent as they want people to see/hear/know about why they are doing it.

[Tyy1907]

I don't understand why they did not respond quickly. As in as soon as the police understood what was going on throw tear gas in every window and storm in with SWAT. We all know how hostage situations go - hours to possibly day's of sitting around with nothing. That's what is expected. Storming in suddenly would catch them unprepared. People may die - but that's the same as what will happen if they leave it go. Govt has a no negotiating with terrorists policy so none of their demands should be met. Letting this continue is utter BS - unless there's something important going on behind our parliament door's which is why this is being allowed to continue and take up every news station's airtime to keep the focus there rather than somewhere else.

Exactly, could be diversionary!

[TigaHawk]

They're not doing the TPP vote at this second are they? As that would make a lot of sense. They've been setting up the framework for it (highlights on penalties for pirate downloaders..) recently....

[jerry]

unfortunately another failed argument for gun control as this may have ended most favorably if a concealed carry patron were amongst the hostages

[Debra]

Ironic that Treasurer Joe Hockey's budget review - bad news - update was due to be handed down about the same time.

Deflection comes to mind.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-hockeys-budget-update-to-unveil-multibilliondollar-revenue-hit-20141214-126wdf.html

[Tesseract]

Ironic that Treasurer Joe Hockey's budget review - bad news - update was due to be handed down about the same time.

Deflection comes to mind.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-hockeys-budget-update-to-unveil-multibilliondollar-revenue-hit-20141214-126wdf.html

I believe with $630M for national security spending, despite the deficit. I suppose this incident will be used to defend that..

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-15/budget-deficit-for-2014-15-forecast-to-reach-404-billion/5967956


Military operations in Iraq to tackle the threat of terrorism are costing $306 million over the next four years.

This is in addition to the $630 million the Government had already announced to boost national security.

[markoid]

Live reports here
http://www.2gb.com/listen-live

[Shezbeth]

Wasn't there a recent thread about a comedian going on about gun control being so effective in Australia? Something about if one had the $30k they wouldn't want/need to become a criminal?

Where did THIS guy get his gun and how did he even make his way to Australia I wonder in a very suggestive manner, so as to implicitly suggest a very obvious set of conclusions including - but not limited to - false flags, diversion/distraction, and upcoming legislation and national/international "govt"(UN) resolutions,....

Mind control maybe?

[Debra]

I find it also unusual that names of people inside of Cafe are not being exposed via social media, as far as I have seen thus far.

Yet through facebook, I found out that a friend' s daughter was in lockdown in a shop that is very close to the cafe - that she is managing. And was only recently released. She obviously got word to her mother before the mobile network was shut down in the area.

But surely people would be putting calls out for family, friends or work friends that are currently missing - through the social media networks. Yes?

Has anyone received any news about the hostages and who they are. More to the point, can anyone verify people who are inside?

[Debra]

Am getting sick of this fairly quickly. Work has put it up on the TV screens around the office so we can all keep up to date on the situation.

I did ask if we could change the channel to cartoons but got some stern looks :|

There should be something in place that makes it against the law for news stations to broadcast anything about situations like this. Part of what they want is the publicity. Ensuring that if something like this does happen and there is not a peep of it on the media until the situation has been completely resolved would act as a deterrent (if they have been setup outside of the PTB's planned BS) as knowing they wont get any media coverage would be a deterrent as they want people to see/hear/know about why they are doing it.

Yes, and the slots for advertising are not being interrupted, are they?

[ghostrider]

the ISIS influence and the fact they are gaining in numbers and finances , their rein of terror is only going to spread across the globe ... I hope they survive this ...

[Debra]

MSM media - from what I have seen - have not reported any identities either inside the cafe. Although, one hostage has been reported to have placed a 30 second call to Ray Hadley at radio 2GB - the call was taken off air. Ita Buttrose who appears on a morning news show with the 10 TV network revealed this titbit but all details were handed over to police operatives.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Three people just released. Watching live. Two were Lindt employees.
Came out of two different doors.

UPDATE ...as I watch. It is not confirmed these people were actually from the cafe ... But from another floor in the building.

[jake gittes]

There should be something in place that makes it against the law for news stations to broadcast anything about situations like this. Part of what they want is the publicity. Ensuring that if something like this does happen and there is not a peep of it on the media until the situation has been completely resolved would act as a deterrent (if they have been setup outside of the PTB's planned BS) as knowing they wont get any media coverage would be a deterrent as they want people to see/hear/know about why they are doing it.

The same weasels who own the media fund these psyops. Part and parcel.

[MacStar]

Wasn't there a recent thread about a comedian going on about gun control being so effective in Australia? Something about if one had the $30k they wouldn't want/need to become a criminal?

Where did THIS guy get his gun and how did he even make his way to Australia I wonder in a very suggestive manner, so as to implicitly suggest a very obvious set of conclusions including - but not limited to - false flags, diversion/distraction, and upcoming legislation and national/international "govt"(UN) resolutions,....

Mind control maybe?

So far as I know Shezbeth there have only been reports of a gun.
I've been watching this on many platforms and a delivery driver said he saw a gun but wasn't sure if it was a pistol or a rifle..like WTF??
They really are ramping this up and don't get me wrong,this could very well be innocent people held captive with a real gun,fake gun,threat of a gun or a fake or real bomb.
The other option could be a dozen crisis actors for another agenda as the place was packed yet there are only around as of now maybe 9 hostages after the release of some.
The numbers have changed from 50 to 40 to 13 to 12 and man the "experts" that are being interviewed are continually bringing up "possible scenario's",like hammering fear from all angles.
Personally IMHO and I may be wrong but this one stinks....time will tell.

[Debra]

Question also the very rapid call in of commentators to the situation .. By all four free to air TV msm networks.
Including by representatives from the Islamic communities. Even a former state premier 'happened' to be a guest on one network to feed into discussions about the capabilities of police operatives and other agencies to bring solutions to these kinds of events.

It's a very slick, integrated show across all networks.

Anyone else like to comment on this?

[Ellisa]

There will be many points of view as to the motivation for someone to start this incident, but personally I cannot understand the motivation of the crowd of people standing behind barriers in the street WATCHING the whole thing! What sort of mentality would you need to stand gawping at what seems to be "nothing" to see? It's not a TV show, it's real and somewhere there are people who are scared, there is also a guy who is confused about what he should do next to terrify them even more and there are some police displaying a level of restraint that I think is admirable. I hope no one is hurt- and we do find out something about the mindset of a person who causes this arbitrary, and ultimately ridiculous mayhem.

And sent the gawpers home, immediately.

[MacStar]

MSM media - from what I have seen - have not reported any identities either inside the cafe. Although, one hostage has been reported to have placed a 30 second call to Ray Hadley at radio 2GB - the call was taken off air. Ita Buttrose who appears on a morning news show with the 10 TV network revealed this titbit but all details were handed over to police operatives.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Three people just released. Watching live. Two were Lindt employees.
Came out of two different doors.

UPDATE ...as I watch. It is not confirmed these people were actually from the cafe ... But from another floor in the building.

Thanks Zebra,yes there was a report that Ray Hadley took 2 calls or 1 depending on the news source.
I know that there are protocols for this but one would think that considering where Ray is,that a Police negotiator should have been there ASAP.
One thing that bugs me is they said they shut down all cell communications and as they were saying that there were people in the general public talking on cell phones. So how did the call(s) get to Ray?

[MacStar]

Question also the very rapid call in of commentators to the situation .. By all four free to air TV msm networks.
Including by representatives from the Islamic communities. Even a former state premier 'happened' to be a guest on one network to feed into discussions about the capabilities of police operatives and other agencies to bring solutions to these kinds of events.

It's a very slick, integrated show across all networks.

Anyone else like to comment on this?

Hate to say it Zebra but I feel the same way.

I do hope that if this is actually a nutter or whatever, that nobody gets hurt or killed and the "Hostage Taker(s)" are taken alive.

Update: The msm just confirmed froma released captive that the Assailant is armed with a gun and they were not released..they "manged to escape".

[giovonni]

Some downunder 'wag the dog' time ...

Interesting chosen location wouldn't you say Anchor.

[Roisin]

Could something like this be a false flag event?

update: oops, didn't see giovonni's post that came just before my posting this one.

[MacStar]

I've heard "Lone Wolf" today more times than in my life I think...there was a Project "Lone Wolf".

https://formerwhitehat.wordpress.com/2012/04/02/project-lone-wolf/

[Debra]

I've heard "Lone Wolf" today more times than in my life I think...there was a Project "Lone Wolf".

https://formerwhitehat.wordpress.com/2012/04/02/project-lone-wolf/

Yes MacStar and the repeated call in to islamic commentators. They are dancing in something, that is for sure.

[MacStar]

I've heard "Lone Wolf" today more times than in my life I think...there was a Project "Lone Wolf".

https://formerwhitehat.wordpress.com/2012/04/02/project-lone-wolf/

Yes MacStar and the repeated call in to islamic commentators. They are dancing in something, that is for sure.

Well I'm sure we can all agree that Islam has been the Focus since 9/11 and many things have happened since that were proven to be operations.

I'm not sure how many others have had their own local Islamic MSM ramped up BS printed but we have here recently.
We're actually a very tight rural community luckily and our local newspaper retaliated as the interview with one of our residents was taken completely out of context. Also luckily,nobody in town believed a word as we know these people so no violence occurred as a result which IMHO and many others,was the intent.

Edit: The Story was in the Sydney paper.

[Debra]

I've heard "Lone Wolf" today more times than in my life I think...there was a Project "Lone Wolf".

https://formerwhitehat.wordpress.com/2012/04/02/project-lone-wolf/

Yes MacStar and the repeated call in to islamic commentators. They are dancing in something, that is for sure.

Well I'm sure we can all agree that Islam has been the Focus since 9/11 and many things have happened since that were proven to be operations.

I'm not sure how many others have had their own local Islamic MSM ramped up BS printed but we have here recently.
We're actually a very tight rural community luckily and our local newspaper retaliated as the interview with one of our residents was taken completely out of context. Also luckily,nobody in town believed a word as we know these people so no violence occurred as a result which IMHO and many others,was the intent.

Edit: The Story was in the Sydney paper.

In this scenario, the voice of the islamic community reinforcing its disapproval of fundamentalist groups that resort to terrorism - that Has been a strong part of this storyline.
Very strong. And that community voice alone. I question every one of these editorial choices.

[Anchor]

Some downunder 'wag the dog' time ...

Interesting chosen location wouldn't you say Anchor.

Yes.

I don't know enough to say this is all theatrics but there are some odd things going on.

There was a very rapid spread of this news internationally. It comes shortly after that very very damning dossier into US sanctioned torture and what looked like some bad economic news today

[jerry]

Could something like this be a false flag event?
beyond a reasonable doubt 9Rh7u9IZOdA

If THIS Doesn’t Sound Like a False Flag Nothing Does: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-14/13-hostages-taken-sydney-coffee-shop-jihadists-suspected-live-feed

[markoid]

5 hostages released. EDIT... or escaped.

[Amanda]

I have received a screen grab of a mobile phone text message - from - an employee at a building near the current event. She states that they were engaged in a drill the week before and the threat was a man with a gun. Let's take co-incidence out of our intellect and review the situation - I would say psy ops.

Watch the footage of the three men running out - they all ran the same way - straight to Police. The Police did not search them for weapons nor did they get them under cover or into a Police van - strange?? The entire event seems to have a staged feel to it. The location and the POI and the fact the budget is due today. Fits the Heligian Theory - Problem/Reaction/Solution - let's see what the government want to enact when the event is over.

Much Peace - Amanda

[jerry]

draconian mania to follow... straight out of the NWO playbook

[Roisin]

I feel nauseous. Shouldn't have had that late night dinner.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

For those that don't have TV like myself.. here is a live link..

http://www.9news.com.au/National/2014/12/15/10/00/Major-police-operation-in-Sydneys-Martin-Place

[Debra]

Confirmed demands from the 'gunman' revealed by released hostages..
1 an Isil flag be brought to the cafe
2 the gunman wants to speak with the PM urgently and another hostage will be released

Also revealed that 4 bomb packages have been planted around the city of Sydney
And, all hostages are repeatedly asked to call their captor - brother.

8 hours in ..
Hmm why more Lindt employees released over other 'hostages' ?

[MacStar]

I have received a screen grab of a mobile phone text message - from - an employee at a building near the current event. She states that they were engaged in a drill the week before and the threat was a man with a gun. Let's take co-incidence out of our intellect and review the situation - I would say psy ops.

Watch the footage of the three men running out - they all ran the same way - straight to Police. The Police did not search them for weapons nor did they get them under cover or into a Police van - strange?? The entire event seems to have a staged feel to it. The location and the POI and the fact the budget is due today. Fits the Heligian Theory - Problem/Reaction/Solution - let's see what the government want to enact when the event is over.

Much Peace - Amanda

Yes Amanda,they keep playing the same clip over and over. One would think most would pick up on what you have stated about the way they ran, but like a lot of TV stuff it actually de-sensitises people.
I picked up on that,it's like they knew exactly where to run...they didn't look right,they ran left straight to them.
So they ran a drill near the event a week before?

@ Jerry: Thanks,I did catch Daboo7's 1st vid which merely reported the event and his channel was terminated within basically minutes. I had checked his other channel earlier but I guess he was working on another vid.

Abbott's opinion poll is at an all time low,the budget was supposed to be due,further the Anti-Islamic agenda...and of course we need to know we're safe from "Terrorists" which is why Taskforce Pioneer has been enacted. I too wonder what they have next for us Amanda.

[markoid]

IMO this absolutely reeks of 'false flag'.
ISIS and or fundamentalist terrorists are not renowned for being moderate. I suspect a bomb would have gone off, or whatever long before now.
Knowing the current stance in Oz and elsewhere towards terrorism, what would this guy be negotiating for. If he is serious, surely he would know he is going to get seriously dragged over the coals for this. What would be the point?
Rumour has it that the guy wants an interview with the PM... really?? (shouldn't he be scared of being shirtfronted? :))
Abbott (PM) and minions have been talking up 'possible' terrorist activity in Oz quite a lot recently.
Abbott of course recently committed air force fighters to go help with the bombing in Afghanistan. So this gives him more 'credibility' when his popularity is decreasing rather rapidly.
Nothing here adds up to me.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

If you're at war with the NWO agenda then regardless of whether something is a false flag or not, if it gives "them" a good opportunity to further their agendas that much more towards their desired goal, we should oppose it any way we can.

I wouldn't care if an Islamic man really did such and such a thing of his own accord and with no government/military/intelligence/banker mafia stooges putting him up to it, and made everyone carry around Islamic flags and yell ALLAH ALLAH ALLAH. There is a protocol for handling situations like this and all I can see being promoted here is racism.

[MacStar]

Confirmed demands from the 'gunman' revealed by released hostages..
1 an Isil flag be brought to the cafe
2 the gunman wants to speak with the PM urgently and another hostage will be released

Also revealed that 4 bomb packages have been planted around the city of Sydney
And, all hostages are repeatedly asked to call their captor - brother.

8 hours in ..
Hmm why more Lindt employees released over other 'hostages' ?

Hmmm, gotta link Zeb?
MSM is not reporting this funny enough.

The Lindt Employees and Manager "escaped",so it's hard to say "if" the others are crisis actors or civilians.

[Debra]

I am only speculating but after watching this unfold for hours, I feel that real people (i.e not actors) have been deliberately mixed up in this. I think Some of These released people
are innocents ... 100%

http://cdn.mamamia.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/workerescapesFB.jpg

[MacStar]

Fair point Zebra.

[sandy]

Real or fake....what a mess per usual..........they sure don`t seem to be able to handle these types of events around the world, like they do in the movies!:rolleyes:

:( May all be safe whatever the cause.

[Debra]

Confirmed demands from the 'gunman' revealed by released hostages..
1 an Isil flag be brought to the cafe
2 the gunman wants to speak with the PM urgently and another hostage will be released

Also revealed that 4 bomb packages have been planted around the city of Sydney
And, all hostages are repeatedly asked to call their captor - brother.

8 hours in ..
Hmm why more Lindt employees released over other 'hostages' ?

Hmmm, gotta link Zeb?
MSM is not reporting this funny enough.

The Lindt Employees and Manager "escaped",so it's hard to say "if" the others are crisis actors or civilians.

Hi MacStar,
Of the five released so far, there were two wearing aprons in the first 'release' and 1 in the second release .. I am typing as the reports are televised and from the vision this is pretty clear.

I have not begun to grab video or other media as I trawl through both msm or social media. It's just been unfolding as you know ;) reading and monitoring 4 stations has made for a busy day off.

[MacStar]

Confirmed demands from the 'gunman' revealed by released hostages..
1 an Isil flag be brought to the cafe
2 the gunman wants to speak with the PM urgently and another hostage will be released

Also revealed that 4 bomb packages have been planted around the city of Sydney
And, all hostages are repeatedly asked to call their captor - brother.

8 hours in ..
Hmm why more Lindt employees released over other 'hostages' ?

Hmmm, gotta link Zeb?
MSM is not reporting this funny enough.

The Lindt Employees and Manager "escaped",so it's hard to say "if" the others are crisis actors or civilians.

Hi MacStar,
Of the five released so far, there were two wearing aprons in the first 'release' and 1 in the second release .. I am typing as the reports are televised and from the vision this is pretty clear.

I have not begun to grab video or other media as I trawl through both msm or social media. It's just been unfolding as you know ;) reading and monitoring 4 stations has made for a busy day off.

:)
Understand mate.

Yes I saw the Apron's on the girls and one man,the waiter in the white shirt and the manager in blue.

It's the demands that are not being "Televised".

It really is a strange situation...almost dare I say it"Manchurian Candidate"?

[MacStar]

Think about it.
There was ample clear head-shots of the "Lone Wolf" as seen by telephoto lense,people in danger,he has a gun...sniper done.

If everyone comes out alive including the "Lone Wolf" however,then our Anti-Terror Laws are our saviour.

You have to admit,this guy is no professional or fanatic else people wouldn't have "escaped". I reckon this bloke is under the influence.

[Roisin]

Just curious what nationality most Muslims are in Sydney.

72.8% of all people with Lebanese ancestry living in Sydney,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Australian

Lebanese Muslims
Lebanese Muslims form the core of Australia's Muslim Arab population, particularly in Sydney where most Arabs in Australia live. Approximately 3.4% of Sydney's population are Muslim. Adherents of the Sunni denomination of Islam are concentrated in the suburb of Lakemba and surrounding areas such as Punchbowl, Wiley Park, Bankstown and Auburn.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Australia

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From Wiki page on 2014 Sydney Hostage Crisis:

Reactions[edit]

Australian government
Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott convened the National Security Committee of Cabinet to give briefings on the situation...

Muslim organizations
Sanier Dandan, the president of the Lebanese Muslim Association, informed ABC News that Australian Muslim leaders were meeting online for discussions on how the Muslim community could help with the crisis. He also added that it was not known if the perpetrator or perpetrators were linked to the Australian Muslim community, saying, "Regardless we have a hostage situation. Whether he is someone who belongs to the Australian Muslim community or not, we are still waiting for information to be provided by police and based on that if there's something the Muslim community can do or assist, we are there."[33][34] Ibrahim Abu Mohamed, the Grand Mufti of Australia, also condemned the incident in a released statement.[35][36]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Sydney_hostage_crisis

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‘Lone Wolf’ Likely in Sydney Siege
Sydney Hostage Taker Likely to Be Working Alone, Expert Says

"An Islamic State spokesman, Abu Muhammad al-Adnani, called for Australians to carry out lone-wolf attacks against civilians in a September speech, according to the SITE Intelligence Group which tracks jihadist activities."
http://www.wsj.com/articles/lone-wolf-likely-in-sydney-siege-1418631628

[Azt]

Here is something suspicious ....

AUSTRALIAN TROOPS PRACTICED EXACT CAFE SCENARIO LESS THAN 6 WEEKS AGO!

via Dahboo

9Rh7u9IZOdA

[bluestflame]

ok , (some links) they have had SEVERAL änti terrorist drills "in and around that area PREVIOUSLY

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/photos-fni0cszg-1226633547255?page=1

Sydney: 10 May to 6 June 2014 http://www.army.gov.au/Our-work/Noise-notices/Sydney-10-May-to-6-June-2014

8 May 2013 Australian military stages “anti-terrorist” exercise in Sydney http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/05/08/terr-m08.html

one possible reason Counter-terrorism laws pass Senate 26 Nov 2014 "The bill is the third bipartisan counter-terrorism bill to go before the Senate in recent months. A fourth that mandates the collection of metadata is expected in early 2015.

The bill now goes to the House of Representatives, where passage is assured."

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/11/26/counter-terrorism-laws-pass-senate

then we have the port arthur false flag that had the (effective)guns taken away ...
too many inconsistancies to the official story http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/Port-Arthur-Massacre.shtml

[Debra]

Now we have MSM turning on itself .. A major newspaper the Sydney Morning Herald takes media reporting of #seigeinmartinplace and pulls it apart. Fascinating.

Martin Place Siege: Separating Fact From Fiction


By BRITTANY RUPPERT, STEPHANIE GARDINER, BEN GRUBB
Monday's siege in the CBD has seen a number of myths circulating on social media and in the press. Here's an update of what we do and don't know.

Live updates on the siege in the Lindt cafe
Police clear Martin Place
Cafe worker missed siege by moments
Horror in the everyday is terrorists' goal
Flag in Lindt cafe not Islamic State
1. Police conduct home raids in Lakemba
Status: Busted
2GB host Ray Hadley on Monday made several significant but unconfirmed claims on air.

Around 11.30am he reported that Australian Federal Police were carrying out home raids in Lakemba. However this rumour was quickly proven false.

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No stranger to controversy: 2GB host Ray Hadley.
There were 20 officers doing a pre-arranged tour of Lakemba Mosque as part of a police induction day, which may have been the source of the rumours.

Police commissioner Andrew Scipione confirmed there were terror raids conducted earlier on Monday morning that resulted in the arrest of a 25-year-old Beecroft man. However at this stage there is "no connection" between the raids and the siege, Mr Scipione said.

Mr Hadley later retracted his comments.


2. Gunman makes demands and threats
Status: Retracted on police advice
First Hadley, and then several other media outlets, reported being contacted by hostages inside the cafe who were instructed to convey the gunman's demands.

Police later requested media outlets not publish this series of demands, and as such these demands have been retracted by this website.

3. Terror suspect arrested near Martin Place
Status: Busted
Around 12.30pm a photo circulated online, showing a man being arrested 200 metres away from the Lindt cafe in Martin Place. It was not immediately clear whether the arrest was related to the siege. ...
Read in full (http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/martin-place-siege-separating-fact-from-fiction-20141215-127jsc.html?&utm_source=social&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=nc&eid=socialn%3Afac-14omn0013-optim-nnn%3Anonpaid-25%2F06%2F2014-social_traffic-all-organicpost-nnn-smh-o&campaign_code=nocode&promote_channel=social_facebook)

[Innocent Warrior]

Here is something suspicious ....

AUSTRALIAN TROOPS PRACTICED EXACT CAFE SCENARIO LESS THAN 6 WEEKS AGO!

via Dahboo

9Rh7u9IZOdA

Terror drill in same location last year. May pay to note the gas masks at this point.

Australian Defence Force counter terrorism operation halts Sydney CBD
MAY 02, 2013 6:15AM
Article here (http://mobile.news.com.au/national/australian-defence-force-counter-terrorism-operation-halts-sydney-cbd/story-e6frfkp9-1226633535675).

[Debra]

Here is something suspicious ....

AUSTRALIAN TROOPS PRACTICED EXACT CAFE SCENARIO LESS THAN 6 WEEKS AGO!

via Dahboo

9Rh7u9IZOdA

Hi, it should be noted that this cafe scenario drill was in preparation for the G20 in Brisbane, which was located in the central part of Brisbane's major tourism area, full of cafes and restaurants.

Not saying this speculation is outright wrong but I do feel the video maker is perhaps co-opting evidence to build his own case.

Zeb

[Roisin]

As it turns out, I may have predicted this hostage seige back in August. I made that prediction here in this forum at that time. Here's a link to it:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64210-Member-Predictions-for-2014-and-Beyond-Intuition-Common-Sense-and-Research-Trends-Predictions-ONLY&p=912539&viewfull=1#post912539

Because of that lucid dream that I had of this event where it indicated that it was a false flag event.... I think that, in fact, that is what it is.

[bluestflame]

could be on the money another gold bullion "disappearance "? ( pardon the pun ) cpXKBNKGmrI

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Videos made by hostages up on youtube:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/report-sydney-terrorist-claims-to-be-isis-member-threatens-to-kill-hostages.html

He has a shotgun and bomb and there are two more bombs in Sydney according to the gunman.[COLOR="red"]

¤=[Post Update]=¤

edit: 3 videos now been taken down but a forth of another hostage has appeared on liveleak.

[Innocent Warrior]

Check this out, it will make you smile. :) It's trending on Twitter.

#illridewithyou: Australians offer support to Muslims after Sydney siege (http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/12/15/illridewithyou_australians_offer_support_to_muslims_after_sydney_siege.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed)


Australians have taken to Twitter using the hashtag #illridewithyou with offers to ride with people wearing religious attire who fear they may be targeted on public transport.
It started as an offer by @sirtessa to sit with people on Sydney’s #373 bus.

Others quickly followed suit, offering to accompany people in their neighbourhood or during their daily commute.

With 90,000 retweets and counting the hashtag has turned into a social media outpouring supporting tolerance and solidarity with Sydney’s Muslim community

[jackovesk]

MAGIK NUMBER ((7))

Date: 15/12/2014

Numerology: 1+5+1+2+2+0+1+4= (16) 1+6= ((7))

Occult Message in Speech by Christine Lagarde of IMF


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYmViPTndxw&feature=player_detailpage

PS - :noidea:

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

The guy is a know criminal:

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/12/16/00/48/sydney-hostage-taker-named-as-man-monis

[Atlas]

could be on the money [...]
No, no, it's on the chocolate !! ;)

http://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5163/5293105454_d2236f5558_n.jpg


all hostages are repeatedly asked to call their captor - brother.

Obviously, another chocoholic (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chocoholic)... :p

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Bit early to be making light with off topic and inappropriate "jokes" IMO.

[jackovesk]

MAGIK NUMBER ((7))

Date: 15/12/2014

Numerology: 1+5+1+2+2+0+1+4= (16) 1+6= ((7))

Occult Message in Speech by Christine Lagarde of IMF


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYmViPTndxw&feature=player_detailpage

PS - :noidea:


The guy is a know criminal:

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/12/16/00/48/sydney-hostage-taker-named-as-man-monis

Hostage-taker named as radical Muslim cleric Man Haron Monis

http://9news.static9.net.au/~/media/images/2014/december/15/1512_sheikharon2_a.ashx?w=718

9NEWS

Radical Muslim cleric Sheik Man Haron Monis has been revealed to be the ringleader in the Sydney cafe siege that has seen up to 30 people held hostage for more than 10 hours.

Monis was born Manteghi Bourjerdi and fled from Iran to Australia in 1996 where he changed his name to Man Haron Monis and assuming the title of Sheik Haron.

He has gained media attention in the past for a "hate mail" campaign, protesting the presence of Australian troops in Afghanistan

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/12/16/00/48/sydney-hostage-taker-named-as-man-monis

Report: Sydney Terrorist Claims to be ISIS Member, Threatens to Kill Hostages

Hostage taker claims two other accomplices have placed bombs in city

A Facebook post attributed to a victim of the Sydney cafe siege which purports to contain a list of demands from the hostage taker states that the terrorist is a self-proclaimed member of ISIS, that two other accomplices have placed bombs elsewhere in the city, and that he will start killing hostages unless his demands are met.

http://www.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/151214post.jpg

The post, which is deliberately not being reported by the mainstream media, was made by Marcia Mikhael. It states that the terrorist is a member of Islamic State and has requested an ISIS flag to be sent to the location, amongst other “small and simple requests” which have not been met.

The terrorist also requested that he speak via live broadcast with Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott and that five hostages will be released, according to the post. Five hostages did subsequently leave the cafe but it is unclear whether they escaped or were released.

A generic Islamic flag was later displayed by hostages in the window of the Lindt cafe, but it was different from the one commonly used by ISIS.

“There are 2 more bombs in the city,” the terrorist allegedly told the hostages, while also ordering that the media tell the other two “brothers not to explode the bomb.” The hostage taker also reportedly has a bomb and a shotgun.

Mikhael subsequently deleted the post (or more likely Facebook deleted the post), although her profile is still active. She is listed as a Senior Project Manager at Westpac and Owner at Fitness 4 Life Australia.

The location where the siege is unfolding, Martin Place, was identified as a terrorist target earlier this year. In a potentially related incident, the Belgian town of Ghent has been placed under lockdown after four gunmen took a hostage in an apartment building.

As we reported last week, a deluge of media reports in addition to the past history of terror plots occurring around Christmas suggested that an attempted attack by ISIS on a developed country was imminent.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4FVJT1PTIA
http://www.prisonplanet.com/report-sydney-terrorist-claims-to-be-isis-member-threatens-to-kill-hostages.html

PS - :attention: Looking more & more like a ((FALSE-FLAG))

In other words...

Any, and I repeat any ((IS/ISIL/ISIS - Terrorist Event)) is a ((FALSE-FLAG)) bought and paid for by the PTW...:wizard:

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

He has already been accused of murder, sex abuse and hate speech and now he's completely surrounded by police. I cant see him getting out alive TBH.

[Atlas]

Bit early to be making light with off topic and inappropriate "jokes" IMO.
Yeah, right. Let's wait then. A chocolate cafe, seriously... Next time, ISIS should try the ice cream shop next door... What a joke.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp3suy8Zz71qdew9to1_500.jpg

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Peoples lives are in danger. I don't get the "joke". It MAY be a false flag but that does not mean it should be made light of.

I am surprised to see this sort of post from a mod.

What if I know someone affected by this? Would you continue to make light of it?

Anyway, back on topic.

[Atlas]

It's over.


AUSTRALIAN POLICE STORM SIEGE BUILDING, GUNFIRE HEARD
http://news.yahoo.com/sydney-hostage-crisis-live-report-010058537.html

Chocolate anyone ?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

could be on the money [...]
No, no, it's on the chocolate !! ;)

http://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5163/5293105454_d2236f5558_n.jpg

Obviously, another chocoholic (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/chocoholic)... :p


Bit early to be making light with off topic and inappropriate "jokes" IMO.



Yeah, right. Let's wait then. A chocolate cafe, seriously... Next time, ISIS should try the ice cream shop next door... What a joke.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp3suy8Zz71qdew9to1_500.jpg


Peoples lives are in danger. I don't get the "joke". It MAY be a false flag but that does not mean it should be made light of.

I am surprised to see this sort of post from a mod.

What if I know someone affected by this? Would you continue to make light of it?

Anyway, back on topic.

There has now been gunfire.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/11293694/Islamists-take-hostages-in-Sydney-cafe-siege-live.html

" Two paramedics seen entering the Lindt cafe."

That is not a good sign.

Like I said, people are in danger and I don't think jokes are appropriate.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

It's over.


AUSTRALIAN POLICE STORM SIEGE BUILDING, GUNFIRE HEARD
http://news.yahoo.com/sydney-hostage-crisis-live-report-010058537.html

Chocolate anyone ?

Comedy gold right here. :rolleyes:

http://news.yahoo.com/sydney-hostage-crisis-live-report-010058537.html

"Injured carried out"

I bet she could do with a hot chocolate! :LOL: Hilarious right?

Its just me then tha'ts bothered by these "funny" posts then?

[Roisin]

The man sounds like just the kind of guy "they" would manipulate via a stroking of the ego to convince him to do what he's doing now.... next comes the crash where he's going to realize that he's not going to be able to pull it off and that's going to destabilize him even more. This is not going to end well by a long shot.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

It's over.


Peoples lives are in danger. I don't get the "joke". It MAY be a false flag but that does not mean it should be made light of.

I am surprised to see this sort of post from a mod.

What if I know someone affected by this? Would you continue to make light of it?

Anyway, back on topic.







Chocolate anyone ?

Clearly you would.

[SilentFeathers]

This really is looking unprofessional and ametur like, being sensationalized by the MSM once again because it's in Sydney. IMO it's just a lone nut-job acting on his own and the MSM etc is jumping at the situation to scare and freak every one out. Sure its a deadly and dangerous situation, but it doesn't appear IMO to be a massive operation by ISIS.....(or any one else).

If it was happening in Syria or Iraq do you think we'd even hear or know about it?????

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Watch the live fire fight: http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/12/15/10/00/major-police-operation-in-sydneys-martin-place

[Atlas]

Reserve Bank of Australia is across the street from this Lindt Cafe.
Oops, wrong building... Better luck next time ISIS...

Below is a photo of the cafe:

https://static.groupon.com.au/03/97/1382924689703.jpg

[Mike Gorman]

This is very suspicious coming in on the heels of those 'beheading' incidents where police officers were going to attacked, and they bruoght down
a couple of frightened teenagers and some plastic swords ...this looks like something to designed to justify a major restriction of liberties
of rolling out some draconian policies - we'll have to wait - but it just does not sit right, even the Muslim Grand Muffti has condemned it

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5KcHSHoBy4

¤=[Post Update]=¤

15.43 Channel Seven reporting two people dead. Not really a joke is it Atlas? Anyway, I think my point has been made. *exits thread*

[Debra]

I am disgusted by this display of insensitivity .. I do not get your joke Atlas or other comments that are making assumptions about this event. When innocent people are suffering. Mate, this is real life for some. Get out from behind your keyboard and go think about this.

[Roisin]

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to simply PM that mod to voice your issues about his comments on that instead of airing them publicly like this? Things are already so surreal as it is with this current event without going into attack mode. :rolleyes:

[Desire]

The world government is at it again trying to scare us with convenient terrorists.WOW it's a world wide story.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Mmm... sorry but making jokes when not even 2 hours has passed and one person has been killed and others wounded is too much.

This isn't a false flag, this is a lone wolf situation done by a proven mad nut case that annoyed the hell out of his community with his bizarre antics and horrific history.

Because of his warped mind someone who getting his morning coffee on a Monday morning with 10 days till xmas is now dead. More injured and many traumatized. If this was someone you knew you'd have not made jokes so it's wrong to do so. You know it's wrong and there doesn't need to be any bad feelings about it. Just an apology for the locals on this thread. Australians have one of the best sense of humors and even for them this is way too early for that type of thing. The comedy festivals start in January and even then I bet the comedians will be reluctant by making such jokes.

Ski-

[giovonni]

Police Say Sydney Cafe Hostage Situation Over


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5-m1Aso9t0

[Atlas]

The only confirmed death so far is a 21-year-old man who was struck by a northbound semi-trailer about 100 meters north of Angus Creek at about 9.30pm on Monday 15 December, 2014.

- edited -

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/latest_releases?sq_content_src=%2BdXJsPWh0dHBzJTNBJTJGJTJGZWJpenByZC5wb2xpY2UubnN3Lmdvdi5hdSUyRm1lZG lhJTJGNDMxNDcuaHRtbCZhbGw9MQ%3D%3D

[Debra]

Wouldn't it be more appropriate to simply PM that mod to voice your issues about his comments on that instead of airing them publicly like this? Things are already so surreal as it is with this current event without going into attack mode. :rolleyes:

No.
Period.

[Carmen]

Your attitude is less than impressive atlas!

[Akasha]

Not really sure where to start but here (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&q=sheik+haron+fake&gbv=2&oq=sheik+haron+fake&gs_l=heirloom-hp.12...1657.1657.0.2347.1.1.0.0.0.0.81.81.1.1.0.msedr...0...1ac.2.34.heirloom-hp..1.0.0.8f8_V8JW43c)'s as good a place as any.

ps: Show me the body. You'll probably have to go to a beach In Israel to do it though.

[Atlas]

Authorities confirm two deceased hostages. For those who have just been terrorized, stop reading here or you may faint:

Some 21,000 children die every day around the world.

That is equivalent to:


1 child dying every 4 seconds
14 children dying every minute
A 2011 Libya conflict-scale death toll every day
A 2010 Haiti earthquake occurring every 10 days
A 2004 Asian Tsunami occurring every 11 days
An Iraq-scale death toll every 19–46 days
Just under 7.6 million children dying every year
Some 92 million children dying between 2000 and 2010
(and 10,000 lone wolves)

The silent killers are poverty, hunger, easily preventable diseases and illnesses, and other related causes. Despite the scale of this daily/ongoing catastrophe, it rarely manages to achieve, much less sustain, prime-time, headline coverage.

http://www.globalissues.org/article/715/today-21000-children-died-around-the-world

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[Arc]

Tastes like a chocolatey false flag to me. Perhaps the cabal needed to whip up a quick chocolate media fear shake to distract from other events. Next it will be circus clowns...

That's not to say innocent people may not be at risk getting caught up in a scary psy-op, so I feel for them.

[Tesseract]

ABC Australia (generally reliable) have confirmed 3 deaths including the gunman, and injuries to several survivors.

Live coverage below. Expecting major fall out from this..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvzpSvyyZis

[ThePythonicCow]

But who cares ?
We care ... about each other.

I sent you a PM with a couple of thoughts on this thread.

[Gaia]

My heart goes out to the families of the victims. I guess there is some relief that it has turned out to be a lone, disturbed, idiot responsible, but this is not the resolution hoped for.

[Atlas]

But who cares ?
We care ... about each other.

I sent you a PM with a couple of thoughts on this thread.
Thanks, I just replied.

[Arc]

Oh wait - I get it now. This is the made up crisis response to the recent release of the CIA torture report.

They want everyone to realize how evil these terrorists are, by attacking innocent chocolate shops, so that is why torturing detainees was justified.

[Gaia]

This really is looking unprofessional and ametur like, being sensationalized by the MSM once again because it's in Sydney. IMO it's just a lone nut-job acting on his own and the MSM etc is jumping at the situation to scare and freak every one out. Sure its a deadly and dangerous situation, but it doesn't appear IMO to be a massive operation by ISIS.....(or any one else).

If it was happening in Syria or Iraq do you think we'd even hear or know about it?????

I think the news Organisations are the real terrorists. What else is continuous coverage but a deliberate attempt to stir up terror? This whole situation is making me sick.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Yes I hear you Atlas...

Lets divert peoples thoughts away from the true reality of whats what...this is just so insignificant with what is going on globally...my thoughts and prayers are with the bigger picture.

Viking


Authorities confirm two deceased hostages. For those who have just been terrorized, stop reading here or you may faint:

Some 21,000 children die every day around the world.

That is equivalent to:


1 child dying every 4 seconds
14 children dying every minute
A 2011 Libya conflict-scale death toll every day
A 2010 Haiti earthquake occurring every 10 days
A 2004 Asian Tsunami occurring every 11 days
An Iraq-scale death toll every 19–46 days
Just under 7.6 million children dying every year
Some 92 million children dying between 2000 and 2010
(and 10,000 lone wolves)

The silent killers are poverty, hunger, easily preventable diseases and illnesses, and other related causes. Despite the scale of this daily/ongoing catastrophe, it rarely manages to achieve, much less sustain, prime-time, headline coverage.

http://www.globalissues.org/article/715/today-21000-children-died-around-the-world

But who cares ?

[Roisin]

This guy is on bail for the murder of his wife. I wonder what kinda deal they made with him to avoid the death penalty? But no question about it, part of that deal on his end was that he would be taken live .... and not dead when the show was over.

But then again.... the whole thing was a dog and pony show. He's got, at last count, 3 alias' and a resume that's fit for a first class con artist, grifter or whatever... a real jack-of-all-trades.
But here's the bottom line, we don't know and we'll never know who this guy really is. Am talking about the hostage-taker.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Authorities confirm two deceased hostages. For those who have just been terrorized, stop reading here or you may faint:

Some 21,000 children die every day around the world.



And I don't see anyone joking about that. Whats the difference? Is it acceptable to joke about the shooting but not about child deaths? I am not sure I see your point or why you posted those stats other than to deflect from your "jokes" but i am glad to see others agree with me. Right, Im out of this thread (I promise!) before it turns into an extended argument. Peace to you Atlas.

[jackovesk]

MAGIK NUMBER ((7))

Date: 15/12/2014

Numerology: 1+5+1+2+2+0+1+4= (16) 1+6= ((7))

Occult Message in Speech by Christine Lagarde of IMF


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYmViPTndxw&feature=player_detailpage

PS - :noidea:


The guy is a know criminal:

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/12/16/00/48/sydney-hostage-taker-named-as-man-monis

Hostage-taker named as radical Muslim cleric Man Haron Monis

http://9news.static9.net.au/~/media/images/2014/december/15/1512_sheikharon2_a.ashx?w=718

9NEWS

Radical Muslim cleric Sheik Man Haron Monis has been revealed to be the ringleader in the Sydney cafe siege that has seen up to 30 people held hostage for more than 10 hours.

Monis was born Manteghi Bourjerdi and fled from Iran to Australia in 1996 where he changed his name to Man Haron Monis and assuming the title of Sheik Haron.

He has gained media attention in the past for a "hate mail" campaign, protesting the presence of Australian troops in Afghanistan

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2014/12/16/00/48/sydney-hostage-taker-named-as-man-monis

Report: Sydney Terrorist Claims to be ISIS Member, Threatens to Kill Hostages

Hostage taker claims two other accomplices have placed bombs in city

A Facebook post attributed to a victim of the Sydney cafe siege which purports to contain a list of demands from the hostage taker states that the terrorist is a self-proclaimed member of ISIS, that two other accomplices have placed bombs elsewhere in the city, and that he will start killing hostages unless his demands are met.

http://www.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/151214post.jpg

The post, which is deliberately not being reported by the mainstream media, was made by Marcia Mikhael. It states that the terrorist is a member of Islamic State and has requested an ISIS flag to be sent to the location, amongst other “small and simple requests” which have not been met.

The terrorist also requested that he speak via live broadcast with Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott and that five hostages will be released, according to the post. Five hostages did subsequently leave the cafe but it is unclear whether they escaped or were released.

A generic Islamic flag was later displayed by hostages in the window of the Lindt cafe, but it was different from the one commonly used by ISIS.

“There are 2 more bombs in the city,” the terrorist allegedly told the hostages, while also ordering that the media tell the other two “brothers not to explode the bomb.” The hostage taker also reportedly has a bomb and a shotgun.

Mikhael subsequently deleted the post (or more likely Facebook deleted the post), although her profile is still active. She is listed as a Senior Project Manager at Westpac and Owner at Fitness 4 Life Australia.

The location where the siege is unfolding, Martin Place, was identified as a terrorist target earlier this year. In a potentially related incident, the Belgian town of Ghent has been placed under lockdown after four gunmen took a hostage in an apartment building.

As we reported last week, a deluge of media reports in addition to the past history of terror plots occurring around Christmas suggested that an attempted attack by ISIS on a developed country was imminent.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4FVJT1PTIA
http://www.prisonplanet.com/report-sydney-terrorist-claims-to-be-isis-member-threatens-to-kill-hostages.html

PS - :attention: Looking more & more like a ((FALSE-FLAG))

In other words...

Any, and I repeat any ((IS/ISIL/ISIS - Terrorist Event)) is a ((FALSE-FLAG)) bought and paid for by the PTW...

PS - My bad, for jumping to conclusions...:yes4:

Just another crazed nutter, whose 'Ideology' got in the way of his own 'Common-Sense'...:yes4:

PSS - But none of this 'Tragedy' wasted by the Govt./MSM milking it for all its worth...:faint:

[SilentFeathers]

PS - My bad, for jumping to conclusions...:yes4:

Just another crazed nutter, whose 'Ideology' got in the way of his own 'Common-Sense'...:yes4:

PSS - But none of this 'Tragedy' wasted by the Govt./MSM milking it for all its worth...:faint:

I agree, I personally see no huge conspiracy here with this event, too bad innocent lives were lost though due to some complete coward and idiot.

[ThePythonicCow]

Hagmann and Hagmann see this event as real, but not as an isolated event, but rather the first of several such. In their article DHS insider: Sydney to be the game changer (http://www.hagmannandhagmann.com/archives/1269), one of them writes, in part:

=================



It was just a few hours into the hostage crisis at the Lindt Café in Sydney, Australia when I received information from my source within the U.S. Department of Homeland Security that this evolving incident will be a catalyst for many events inside the U.S. and throughout the West. According to my source, the hostage crisis created by an Islamic terrorist in Sydney, Australia “is not, nor will it be, a ‘one off’ event. “Don’t be fooled, this will be a ‘game-changer’ in many ways for not just Australia, but for all of the West. Maybe not immediately, but in short order. And this [Obama] regime will use it to their tactical advantage.”

According to this DHS source who is well-embedded at a fairly high level within this political leviathan inside the beltway, high level DHS briefings made late Sunday (Washington, DC time) confirmed that various police and intelligence agencies throughout New South Wales and Australia not only know the identity of the perpetrator at the Lindt Café, but “[they] have had numerous dealings with him over the last several months.” This source stated that “he is not just some random unknown perpetrator without a history, but has made his intentions known for some time. Once or if the truth comes out, you will see that he is also known by the CIA.”
=================

[Roisin]

Sydney Sheikh Haron Was Charged in Ex-Wife's Torching Murder

More than a year before the Sydney hostage siege, Man Haron Monis was arrested for accessory to the murder of his ex-wife — who was repeatedly stabbed and set on fire — and then released on bail.

"They should have put him away and thrown away the key," said Ayyut Khalik, godfather to the slain woman, Noleen Hayson Pal.

Khalik said Pal, 31, was like one of his own children. He traveled from California to Australia for her 16th birthday, for her wedding to Monis in 2005 and for her funeral last year.

"The first time I met him, I didn't like him," Khalik said of the self-styled sheik. "You can tell by people's face."

He said Monis and Pal had two sons before their marriage fell apart. The Iranian-born cleric forced her to wear a hijab at all times and forbid her from contact with non-Muslims, Khalik said.

"We found out he was hitting her and stuff, and he was telling his kids white people are bad," he added.

Last year, Pal came to stay with Khalik's family in Hayward for a month before returning to Sydney. "I told her to be safe," Khalik said.

In April 2013, the young mother was stabbed multiple times, doused with lighter fluid and set afire in an apartment building stairwell.....

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sydney-hostage-standoff/sydney-sheikh-haron-was-charged-ex-wifes-torching-murder-n268736

[jerry]

Hagmann and Hagmann see this event as real, but not as an isolated event, but rather the first of several such. In their article DHS insider: Sydney to be the game changer (http://www.hagmannandhagmann.com/archives/1269), one of them writes, in part:

=================



It was just a few hours into the hostage crisis at the Lindt Café in Sydney, Australia when I received information from my source within the U.S. Department of Homeland Security that this evolving incident will be a catalyst for many events inside the U.S. and throughout the West. According to my source, the hostage crisis created by an Islamic terrorist in Sydney, Australia “is not, nor will it be, a ‘one off’ event. “Don’t be fooled, this will be a ‘game-changer’ in many ways for not just Australia, but for all of the West. Maybe not immediately, but in short order. And this [Obama] regime will use it to their tactical advantage.”

According to this DHS source who is well-embedded at a fairly high level within this political leviathan inside the beltway, high level DHS briefings made late Sunday (Washington, DC time) confirmed that various police and intelligence agencies throughout New South Wales and Australia not only know the identity of the perpetrator at the Lindt Café, but “[they] have had numerous dealings with him over the last several months.” This source stated that “he is not just some random unknown perpetrator without a history, but has made his intentions known for some time. Once or if the truth comes out, you will see that he is also known by the CIA.”
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This is exactly what I inferred to earlier when I said in this thread
"draconian mania to follow... straight out of the NWO playbook" all the stops are pulled as they are well aware we are awakening at an alarming rate and they are losing the information war

[Ellisa]

It seems that this guy, the hostage taker, was a very disturbed individual, with a sad and conflicted history, which included many acts of violence even, possibly, murder. He had applied for, and been granted political asylum in the 90s, but had seemed very affected by the London bombings, after which he became very aggressive. Lately he had apparently adopted the IS propaganda enthusiastically.

This was, I think, not an organised plot or terrorist cell acting together. He was just a violent and unstable man acting alone. This of course makes it no less dangerous and terrifying for those poor hostages in the cafe. And two of them lost their lives. I feel thankful that no more people were killed.

The effects of this awful event will linger there is no doubt, but I hope we can eventually get through without loss of freedoms which we have now. Already a suggestion to help individual Muslims, most of whom seem as shocked as everyone else, to travel to work etc in Sydney by walking with them has had a lot of publicity. A twitter post has had a huge success suggesting this, and I hope it is a sign for the future. Friendly cooperation will do a lot more good than armed confrontation I feel.

[Roisin]

I wish to convey my most deepest sympathies to the families of those young people who perished in the Sydney siege simply because they were at the wrong place, at the wrong time. May their souls rest in peace. These young ones, are the most heart-breaking victims of this tragedy.

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/12/16/1227157/734174-8c9807b2-84ac-11e4-928c-190892af96aa.jpg

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/12/16/1227157/734226-8dbf8d26-84ad-11e4-a8d6-4d3e748ac3ce.jpg

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/12/16/1227157/802678-0769ad20-84b1-11e4-a8d6-4d3e748ac3ce.jpg

[bluestflame]

question IS , with his criminal history , why WAS he released on bail ? not unreasonable to assume he was on some kind of terrorist watch list , was he "bait" to draw out other extremists?

sorta doesn't sit right

edit to add , just learned australian PM has confirmed the gunman was NOT on any watchlist and he wants to know why

[ThePythonicCow]

Now that the siege is over, I changed the title of this thread

From:


Sydney Australia: A seige is underway in a chocolate shop in Martin Place
To:


Sydney Australia: Seige in Martin Place (now over)

[Gaia]

There probably has a link to see between the hostage last two days in Sydney and the two attacks in Ottawa and Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu in October.

Look like they targeted citizens of countries participating in the coalition facing it in Syria,including Canada and Australia.

By the very fact of being human, we have more in common than we have differences...

[Ellisa]

The bail laws in this country favour the accused. Australia is a country that, usually, sees depriving people of liberty as a serious and last resort, and people on bail are usually people who have not been tried in court, or are appealing their sentence, therefore they could still be found not guilty. There has been some tightening up of these laws, but basically in Australia you are innocent until proved guilty beyond reasonable doubt, so you will be on bail until your trial. Sometimes bail is refused, but it was not in this case. Also there is no death penalty.

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Authorities confirm two deceased hostages. For those who have just been terrorized, stop reading here or you may faint:

Some 21,000 children die every day around the world.

That is equivalent to:


1 child dying every 4 seconds
14 children dying every minute
A 2011 Libya conflict-scale death toll every day
A 2010 Haiti earthquake occurring every 10 days
A 2004 Asian Tsunami occurring every 11 days
An Iraq-scale death toll every 19–46 days
Just under 7.6 million children dying every year
Some 92 million children dying between 2000 and 2010
(and 10,000 lone wolves)

The silent killers are poverty, hunger, easily preventable diseases and illnesses, and other related causes. Despite the scale of this daily/ongoing catastrophe, it rarely manages to achieve, much less sustain, prime-time, headline coverage.

http://www.globalissues.org/article/715/today-21000-children-died-around-the-world

But who cares ?

If one of the victims was a relative of yours would you still stick by this childish post.

You entered this thread banging the 'unfunny but I think I am drum' and it was in bad taste and the above post gives you no justification for doing so.

Anyway this will also be my last post on the matter. But I do find it very strange why I'm so annoyed at a moderator on this site. It's a first for me.

[Ellisa]

I do agree with you SKI! Every one of us is an individual, even when we are part of a crowd.

Every individual death is an individual tragedy for someone else who has been left to mourn.

The deaths of 21.000 children is a tragedy, but each one of them is also mourned individually too. Don't downgrade the deaths of the 2 people this morning. They were people, just like us, and now they are gone,

[jerry]

False Flag In Australia To Put Boots On The Ground In Syria To Get Assad
Wl9RvDp6tCM

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

SKIBADABOMSKI I sent you a PM.

[Napping]

The last 24 hours have been absolutely horrific. 84 school children have just been executed in Pakistan. To the empaths on this forum, in fact to everyone on here, it's time to stand up to this escalating darkness.
http://m.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30491435

It obviously needs it's own thread. Just sick of the horrible news.

Hold your loved ones this Christmas guys, and help out a stranger.

Matt

[bluestflame]

another interesting link , coincidence?

"Treasurer Joe Hockey's relationship with a Liberal Party fund-raising forum will be examined when he takes the stand in his defamation case against Fairfax Media.

Mr Hockey is suing Fairfax Media for defamation, claiming a series of articles published in The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age and The Canberra Times conveyed a series of defamatory meanings, including that he "accepted bribes paid to influence the decisions he made as Treasurer".

Fairfax Media is defending the case, saying it was in the public interest to publish details about the North Sydney Forum, which allegedly offered access to Mr Hockey in exchange for donations of thousands of dollars."

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/joe-hockey-to-take-stand-in-defamation-case-against-fairfax-media-20141209-123dlm.html

Dawson’s brother is high-profile barrister Sandy Dawson

[Bob]

No coincidence or coincidence?


twdqHmGkB1Y


Published on Dec 16, 2014
Yes, the title says it correctly. The 1st Matrix movie was filmed DIRECTLY in the buildings at the location of the current "Sydney Siege" hostage crisis in the Lindt Chocolate Cafe. Ironically, in the movie , the Merovingian feeds CHOCOLATE to the woman in the cafe! :)

52 Martin Place ... http://www.movie-locations.com/movies...

The government building seen in the movie, the location where Morpheous is tortured... the location where the woman in the red dress is walking, the building across the street from the Lindt cafe is where many events took place. Also on Martin Place itself.

MANY of the scenes in the movie come from Martin Place at the current "lindt co" location.. the Reserve Bank and Government building directly behind the Lindt Cafe (part of the same complex).

Geocoordinates of the location: 33°52'4.99"S , 151°12'38.92"E

Address of the Lindt Chocolate cafe:

53 Martin Place, Sydney NSW 2000, Australia


Attraction background: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Place,_Sydney


Martin Place has been described as the "heart" of Sydney.

As home to the Reserve Bank of Australia, the Commonwealth Bank of Australia, Macquarie Bank and other corporations, it is also a centre of business and finance.

The Sydney GPO and the Seven Network's Sydney news centre are also located on Martin Place.

Martin Place has become a national Australian icon in popular culture for attracting high-end film and television productions and actors to the area.

[Desire]

It seems many important world governments are determined to impose marshall law on us by setting up phoney "crazies" with guns so they can take our rights away.

If more people don't wake up..........? What will you do that you hav'nt already done?

[Anchor]

I visited Martin Place just now.

There are hundreds of people, some busy doing Christmas shopping and some others standing contemplating.

The flowers are so many that you can smell the perfume well before you get there.

As a group of creators we have chosen a hard path.

We continually get ourselves into hot water and suffer, but in that suffering we expose the truest strength of our collective spirit.

There is light shining there. Some of that light came from here, and for my part I was very to happy to see that among those people and among those flowers, singing in praise to the beauty of that spirit uncovered by tragic pain and suffering.

To my eyes, there was no overt judgement, no hate, just a heap of love, compassion and in silence, and it dances among those flowers.


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PS: If there is ever a time when I don't have to hear another creator among us playing lively, abbreviated, tuneless renditions of jingle bells on a violin it won't come too soon..... Sydney... gotta love it.

[Debra]

Nice Anchor. When a real tragedy happens, the response equals it. Humanity actually rises and that is the feeling around the country.

I am on the ground here too. And it is quite extraordinary. Just witness how the moslem community has risen up to condemn the event and conversely, how they have been embraced by Australians, putting bigots in the shade. Their acts over the last couple of days has taken many Australians by surprise and spawned this wonderful movement:

https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-f.ak/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1504969_960506443977649_8719278940087209563_n.jpg?oh=89add7d2f469fe8bb8035518e53a3cf2&oe=55411D2D&__gda__=1426259812_21880a234481d8a77e661aaf89d13446

Something quite magical I believe has evolved from this tragedy.

https://m.ak.fbcdn.net/sphotos-c.ak/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10450445_10152431466755213_4835152479617285210_n.jpg?oh=328a81bdc77e188a093c7daa0bc57471&oe=55410CD7&__gda__=1426712122_fe07b5b1f5706c5eae431cddca2b2e78

[MacStar]

Indeed....I'm lost for words atm though the MSM milked this unfortunate incident for all they could,I feel the people are honestly dealing with things far better than expected.

Tony Abbott: Award Tori Johnson the Cross of Valour for helping save lives from the Sydney siege gunman
"Tori Johnson not once, but twice, tried to tackle the Sydney siege gunman. Media reported last night that he single handedly saved the lives of 12 people because of his bravery.

I think that a fitting way to recognise his bravery, and remember him, would be for him to be awarded the Cross of Valour.

This one man, selflessly put himself in harms way and sacrificed himself to help the other innocent hostages escape. He deserves nothing less than our nation's respect and honour.

His actions will never be forgotten.

I'll include every signature on the petition in a nomination to the Australian Bravery Decorations Council that recognises acts of bravery.

Please sign and share widely to help make this happen."
Started by Jace from Adelaide.

https://www.change.org/p/tony-abbott-award-tori-johnson-the-cross-of-valour-for-helping-save-lives-from-the-sydney-siege-gunman?utm_source=action_alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=203146&alert_id=dRLcYmhxBC_XYyAcDgUOIkg%2FwktPOiMX9zYja0BDBNYR85XsphUmhE%3D

:yes4:

[bluestflame]

"He revealed that gunman Man Haron Monis had a licence for a gun and questioned existing gun laws, saying: "there are questions to be asked when someone with such a history of infatuation with extremism, violent crime and mental instability should be in possession of a gun licence".

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbott-questions-gun-laws-as-he-announces-inquiry-into-martin-place-siege-20141217-1295y2.html

so much for gun control , a comedy of errors , ON bail , NOT on a terrorist watch list , gets to keep his firearm license WHILE on bail for accessory to murder and other serious charges

"Mr Abbott said the review – which will be conducted by federal and NSW officials – would report back by the end of January and would focus on how Monis evaded authorities.

This includes how he got permanent residency in Australia, why he was receiving welfare payments, how he got a gun licence, why he was allowed out into the community on bail and why he had fallen off the terror watch list in 2009.

Mr Abbott said he would "not rest" until he was confident that Australians were as safe as the government could make them."

[MacStar]

I'd say Metadata might be "mentioned" in this review yeah? :rolleyes:

[bluestflame]

metadata was one of my first theories when this whole even began to unfold and the " not quite right" bits began to appear

[Snookie]

SUSPECT HAD MULTIPLE ALIASES, GRANTED POLITICAL ASYLUM BY AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT, INTERVIEWED BY AUSTRALIAN MEDIA, SPENT YEARS AS FAKE PRO-WESTERN "SHIA'A CLERIC" CONDEMNING IRAN AND SYRIA BEFORE RECENTLY "CONVERTING" TO SUNNI AND SUPPORTING ISIS.

Another embarrassing chapter has unfolded for Western intelligence and security communities in the wake of the so-called "Sydney Siege." The suspect named by the media as "Man Haron Monis" also has gone by the names "Manteghi Boroujerdi" and "Mohammad Hassan Manteghi" and was an individual now confirmed to have long been on the radar of the Australian government, media, law enforcement, and court system since his arrival on Australian shores almost two decades ago.

Very interesting article which goes into this so called "lone nut" man's history, which blares "Government Asset" to me.

http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_%22Shape-Shifting_Sheik%22_and_the_%22Sydney_Siege%22/40016/0/38/38/Y/M.html

[MorningFox]

Merry Crisis and a Happy New Fear, everyone!

[bluestflame]

here we go again

https://cut2thetruth.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/maxine-rosenthal-sydney-e1418710257560.jpg?w=719&h=380
SYDNEY CRISIS ACTORS: STUART AND MAXINE ROSENTHAL
https://cut2thetruth.wordpress.com/2014/12/15/sydney-crisis-actors-stuart-and-maxine-rosenthal/


from here https://cut2thetruth.wordpress.com/2014/12/15/sydney-crisis-actors-stuart-and-maxine-rosenthal/


pDMzbmxISIA

[Debra]

SUSPECT HAD MULTIPLE ALIASES, GRANTED POLITICAL ASYLUM BY AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT, INTERVIEWED BY AUSTRALIAN MEDIA, SPENT YEARS AS FAKE PRO-WESTERN "SHIA'A CLERIC" CONDEMNING IRAN AND SYRIA BEFORE RECENTLY "CONVERTING" TO SUNNI AND SUPPORTING ISIS.

Another embarrassing chapter has unfolded for Western intelligence and security communities in the wake of the so-called "Sydney Siege." The suspect named by the media as "Man Haron Monis" also has gone by the names "Manteghi Boroujerdi" and "Mohammad Hassan Manteghi" and was an individual now confirmed to have long been on the radar of the Australian government, media, law enforcement, and court system since his arrival on Australian shores almost two decades ago.

Very interesting article which goes into this so called "lone nut" man's history, which blares "Government Asset" to me.

http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_%22Shape-Shifting_Sheik%22_and_the_%22Sydney_Siege%22/40016/0/38/38/Y/M.html

This is certainly a possibility Snookie. After all, we have to question why his own community did not turn him in earlier? Who paid for his lawyer fees and bail on those numerous occasions? Questions not yet answered. Was it from within the community who covertly nurtured his maniacal beliefs and capability to be a good jihadist? Or, was he a govt operative - knowingly or not? Or both?

I do feel though for members of the Islamic community, who are genuinely anti extremist and just want to live in peace and harmony with other Australians.

Yet, I am reading comments from people I know in the Jewish community who are gravitating quickly to commentary coming now from a critic here called Rachel Kohn who clearly puts the blame back onto a religious system that spawns people like this lone wolf. Questioning the difference between mad and bad, about acts that rise from ideological mania or from insanity. Concluding, they both feed each other.
!Mad or bad, the inadequacy of the lone wolf theory (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-17/kohn-mad-or-bad-the-inadequacy-of-the-lone-wolf-theory/5973478)

[Cidersomerset]

I have not followed this story closely and condolences to any victims.

If it is another 'false flag' like the above vid suggests , its getting ridiculous
and any mainstream journalists looking in take note. She will probably
be retired from front line crisis acting I would have thought.....


I just saw these articles on Davids site from this morning,



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The ‘Shape-Shifting Sheik’ and the ‘Sydney Siege’

Wednesday 17th December 2014 at 09:42 By David Icke


http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/get-attachment-99-587x434.jpg


‘Another embarrassing chapter has unfolded for Western intelligence and
security communities in the wake of the so-called “Sydney Siege.” The
suspect named by the media as “Man Haron Monis” also has gone by the
names “Manteghi Boroujerdi” and “Mohammad Hassan Manteghi” and was
an individual now confirmed to have long been on the radar of the Australian
government, media, law enforcement, and court system since his arrival on
Australian shores almost two decades ago.

In Iran, mostly I have been involved with the Ministry of Intelligence and
Security. Claiming he was a “lone wolf” attacker whose violence and extremism
could not have been foreseen is betrayed by an extensive criminal record
including murder, preceded by the suspicious circumstances that brought
him to Australia to begin with.’

Read more: The 'Shape-Shifting Sheik' and the 'Sydney Siege'

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/the-shape-shifting-sheik-and-sydney.html
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Five Reasons to Question the Official Story of the ‘Sydney Siege’

Wednesday 17th December 2014 at 09:40 By David Icke


http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/6280575987_2a3baae60d.jpg


‘In the aftermath of yet another highly publicized terror attack (or at least the potential
for a high profile attack) in Australia by foreign-born jihadists, the Western public is once
again experiencing a variety of emotional reactions that they have carefully been trained
to experience whenever such events take place at home or abroad.

The xenophobic pro-war right is predictably using the attack as an example of how all
Muslims are terrorists and how their total annihilation and implementation of police state
tactics are the only solution. The pathetic left-wing is attempting to portray the gunman
as a “lone nut” with no political motives as a justification for more “anti-terror” laws. The
vast majority in the middle, however, believe the official mainstream version of events,
quake in their boots, and move on to the next form of entertainment provided to them
by the culture creators without a second thought.

Yet, as is almost always the case, there is much more to the story than is being reported
by mainstream outlets. There exists a number of unanswered questions and unexplained
inconsistencies with the story of “Man Haron Monis” and his hostage taking escapade in Sydney.’

Read more: Five Reasons to Question the Official Story of the 'Sydney Siege'

http://www.activistpost.com/2014/12/5-reasons-to-question-official-story-of.html

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David Cameron: Britain could face Sydney-style attack ‘at any moment’

Wednesday 17th December 2014 at 09:38 By David Icke


http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/get-attachment-120-587x390.jpg


‘Britain could face a random attack similar to the Sydney siege in which three people died
“at any moment”, David Cameron has said.

The Prime Minister said that attacks carried out by a lone extremist are “much more difficult to
prevent” as he paid tribute to the “extraordinary bravery” of those caught up in the siege on Monday.

He disclosed that the security services have prevented several terror attacks in Britain which
would have seen police officers murdered in “cold blood”.’

Read more: David Cameron: Britain could face Sydney-style attack 'at any moment'



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11297569/David-Cameron-Britain-could-face-Sydney-style-attack-at-any-moment.html

[Debra]

There is a strange contradiction in how the media in Australia is playing stories out connected to Islamic communities .. Both lifting them up (as in giving them a strong voice during the siege to publically condemn the acts of the perpetrator) yet they go hard as well .. Reminding Australians that fanatical religions in their midst are developing the terrorists of tomorrow.

Can someone give me their perspective on this, I would like to hear. Thanks

CYVNDSRhdtk

[Rocky_Shorz]

what if this was just a letter agency test probe for reaction time at the Reserve Bank of Australia in the same building as the Cafe...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpXKBNKGmrI&feature=player_detailpage

[bluestflame]

interesting i got that this was, while being an operation was also an experiment through many avenues , even the PM tony abbot appears to be being played through faulty " intelligence" the gunman that had a firearm license then didn't although initially it was supposedly confirmed to abbot through " intelligence" database ( wonder which agency) whist being denied by NSW ( new south wales) police, THEN to have it confirmed by AFP ( australian federal police) that he never DID have a firearm license


update "Court documents from 2011 reveal Monis had a gun licence while working as a security officer but it had expired, but NSW Police say there’s no record of him having held a firearms licence." http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/sydney-siege-tony-abbott-launches-urgent-joint-inquiry/story-fnqxbywy-1227159690152

looks like someone wasn't thorough enough in wiping records

[Desire]

Zebra

It says the uploader has not made it available in this country, I'm in USA

[Roisin]

As it is right now, everybody who's anybody in the alternative news community believes that the Sydney Siege is a false flag event and they have the evidence to back that up too.

The video below, that was first posted by giovaonni yesterday, is an excellent update on everything.... including what's going on with the hacking incident at Sony and how that too is a false flag event.


will share this here ...http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78122-It--s-Official-Sony-Scraps---The-Interview----the-most-effective-modern-day-Hack-with-many-possible-implications-&p=914374&viewfull=1#post914374

[QUOTE]
Axis Of Lies: Obama, North Korea & Australian Terror Attack Decoded

Sean Stone with Patrick Henningsen

"The Australian hostage situation in Sydney and unusual circumstances around Sheikh Monis’ connections to the Iranian and Australian government, plus the possibility of him being a patsy to enact more anti-terror legislation in Australia is discussed. We also talk about the Sony hack, and the US government’s pinning the blame on the North Korean government in spite of Kim Jong Un not taking responsibility for the act. Possible motives for cancelling the release of the film, and the free speech mess that has been raised by the scandal are explored with Patrick Henningsen in this Buzzsaw interview, hosted by Sean Stone."

GUEST BIO:
Patrick Henningsen is a geopolitical analyst and founder of 21st Century Wire.com. A graduate Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, CA, he was working as a graphic artist, communications and PR consultant before he became active as an artist and co-founder of an international art movement, Chalk4Peace, advocating for the peace in the run-up to the Iraq War in 2003. Later he began writing as an independent blogger in 2005, and has since produced an impressive range of work as both a writer and documentary filmmaker, and news correspondent on the ground covering events in the US, Europe and Middle East. Patrick has worked up close on a number of controversial stories including the Syrian Civil War (Beirut 2013) UN's Copenhagen Climate Summit (2009), Cyprus banking collapse (2013), G8 London protests (2009), Operation Fast and Furious (2012), the Obama 'Birther' Scandal (2012), the 'War on Terror' and location work in the Middle East (2008-2013). Patrick is recognised by audiences for his ability to relate and contextualise current events within trends and epochs, and to demystify complex systems in a way that makes sense to viewers and readers, as well as applying 'game theory' as a tool to understand international geopolitics."

Published on Dec 19, 2014




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTTyeKTO09Y



EPISODE BREAKDOWN:
00:01 Welcome to Buzzsaw Introducing Patrick Henningsen, Founder of 21st Century Wire.com
00:50 What actually happened during the Australian hostage situation.
02:10 Sheikh Monis took hostages in a Lindt coffee shop in the financial district of Sydney. Two hostages and Monis dead.
04:30 Sheikh Monis played role of Australian terror mascot.
05:30 Monis, Australian and Iranian government intrigue.
06:25 Monis had 60 sexual assault complaints and was tried for the burning of his ex-wife.
08:23 Monis, incoherence, and an Al-Qaeda flag.
11:16 Australia hoping to use this hostage situation to roll out anti-terror laws.
13:11 The FBI has now officially announced that North Korea is behind the cyber attacks against Sony.
18:18 Obama says that Sony is wrong for not releasing The Interview.
20:30 The government uses Hollywood as a propaganda tool to make the public fearful or complacent with their actions.
24:15 North Korea hasn’t taken credit for the hack yet.
28:00 The Sony hacks are better publicity for The Interview and why Sony hasn’t released it on VOD.
31:00 The Interview would not only be offensive to North Korea, but to the international community as a whole.
33:00 This is not a free speech issue because the US censors films on and offline all the time.
36:33 People in America mainly obtain their worldviews from entertainment outlets.
38:44 Thank you and goodbye.