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ALLiTiZ

19th December 2014, 07:52

For the past couple of days i’ve been reading posts by blogger Dennis Mersereau who "debunks" chemtrails. He writes for a site called “The Vane” which is a sub site of “GAWKER”. Mersereau uses titles for his post like “Chemtrails Don’t Exist and Idiots Are Really Easy to Fool” (http://thevane.gawker.com/chemtrails-dont-exist-and-idiots-are-really-easy-to-f-1580245450) and he also has a couple nicknames for anti chemtrail advocates like “Chemmies” and “Chemtard”. I found these to be really offensive and I wanted to stand up for the seriousness of chemtrails. But the truth is, i'm still very uncertain about this topic. I try to read/watch everything I see about chemtrails/contrails. I’m all for people using science and facts to prove a point, especially when the topic/point being debated is causing fear, confusing or is potentially harmful. I personally do believe that there is some sort of foul play going on with chemtrails but I believe it’s important to hear both side of the story/debate.

After reading all of Mersereau’s posts I did learn some things I didn't know and could start to see some of the points he made, although he did it in a pompous way, which was hard for me to overlook. Not once did Mersereau give the opposing side a single bit of credibility and he presents information in a condescending manner. I've personally watched and read about pilots, scientists, and x-military women and men taking about a real conspiracy with chemtrails although I can't confirm the absolute validity. (as with most everything these days)

I’ve recently watched two videos posted on PA that I found to be important on the topic of chemtrails. One video is titled “Secret Chemtrail Pilot Speaks on Dec 8, 2014” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZaD-H_j3pU) and the other was a video posted awhile back titled “Geoengineering Investigation Demanded by Numerous Experts” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4WhYKP83zo) which Mersereau references in his post titled “Chemtrails Don’t Exist and Shasta County is Ground Zero for Stupid” (http://thevane.gawker.com/chemtrails-dont-exist-and-shasta-county-is-ground-zero-1609896588) . After reading that post all I wanted was for someone to present a valid counterpoint to Mersereau. A few people called him a “shill” but that doesn't help solve anything. The rest of the comments seemed to form a general consensus like, " thank you Dennis for putting an end to this silly conspiracy" Then I played devil's advocate with myself thinking " What if I'm the person that needs to have a point proven too me? Maybe there is enough science and research to prove there is no conspiracy with chemtrails? Or how nice would it be if “simple science” indeed did prove that chemtrails are just completely normal contrails and they're not harming us at all". Thoughts like these only lead me to more research and I’m still convinced in the foul play with chemtrails.

So I wanted to bring up this debunker to the Project Avalon community to hear what you all think about Dennis Mersereau’s research and his rude (in my opinion) blog posts. I'm also wondering what your counter points might be to him and what evidence would you point out to Mersereau to back up your opinion.
All of Dennis Mersereau posts on chemtrails can be found here http://thevane.gawker.com/tag/chemtrails

Peace.

yelik

19th December 2014, 10:16

Chemtrailing / geoengineering has been going on in various forms for a very long time, especially since 1999. In my opinion the evidence is overwhelming and indisputable.

Whilst it is sensible to remain open minded in this arena we do need to form our own opinion at some point and be prepared to make a stand especially if we know it is wrong, undemocratic and dangerous. Unfortunately the world is full of people who mistakenly trust the Government and often suffer from normalcy bias which causes people to downplay and underestimate any risk.

When the whistle blower testimony and scientific evidence is overwhelming I don't tend to waste much time listening to people who say UFO's, ET, Chemtrails, Food and water contaminants, the Illuminati, cabal, torture, abductions, moon and mars bases are all fictitious.

If people are still waiting for official confirmation a number of politicians have admitted that so called geoengineering experiments are taking place.

sheme

19th December 2014, 10:45

Well last night whilst half asleep I was roused by a BBB news Item (World service)that talked about chem trails and how they reflect solar heat from the Earth surface apparently there is/was a conference taking place in America "Geophysics" or something similar - the up shot is the scientists are now talking about adding something in the Bow wake of all commercial ocean traffic it was calculated that if this was done 1% of the solar heat would be reflected away from the Earth, objections arose because of the unknown effects to the Ocean.

Can you believe their arrogance! with the particulates in the sky reflecting sunlight away from Earth (amongst many other things) if they keep the remaining sunlight from the Oceans we will all get poached as the heat will just bounce from the Ocean to the sky getting warmer and warmer until we are all living on Earth Mars. Perhaps PA folks in the USA can find some reference to this conference -I am searching from my end.

This looks like the one...

http://fallmeeting.agu.org/2014/general-information/about-the-agu-fall-meeting/

He is right 'Chem trails' don't exist the governments of the world call them Geoengineering aerosols UK spent £100 billion on them last year quite a lot for something that doesn't exist.

He is a paid disinformation merchant in my opinion-probably paid by the word and number of followers.

My rainwater analysis told me geoengineering aerosols are real . My sky tells me they are real. The lack of sunlight and vitamin D tells me they are real, Haarp stations across the world tell me they are real.
Your very post is a tactic used to give debunkers people time, I don't buy it any more- call me cynical if you like.

This is all a distraction from the next diabolical thing they intend to do . If you are in any doubt know that you are where you need to be right now -half asleep-so don't loose sleep over it.
http://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pdf/20Reasons.pdf

Here- go do your own research.

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=geophysicists+geoengineering+conference+USA&spell=1

Matt P

19th December 2014, 11:01

Hawkwind

19th December 2014, 11:33

Hi ALLiTiZ- This is still the best single video I've run across on the subject. a2x6TEeknfo As for your blogger friend and his minions, they are likely the same person using multiple aliases and/or a small group working from the same facility for the same agency. It stands to reason that if the government is involved in an illegal, multi-billion dollar operation which is destroying the global eco-system, at least part of that budget would be spent on vehemently denying that such a program exists and attempting to discredit anyone who claims it does. You can't possibly win an argument with these people, they aren't interested in exposing the truth, they are being paid to conceal it through whatever means possible.

Gaia

19th December 2014, 11:37

Tobacco industries suppressing the science linking smoking to lung cancer, that went on for decades. What is that if not a conspiracy? Fast food is doing much the same with the links between sugar consumption and diabetes along with many other health implications. Big pharma ... take your pick. These are all conspiracies and it influences big business, politics and the wellbeing of humans and planet.

Zionbrion

19th December 2014, 13:44

Bill Ryan

19th December 2014, 14:42

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This may be [a little] off-topic here!

I've posted this photo elsewhere on the forum, but I think it's extraordinary enough to be reposted everywhere. :)

It was taken over Vail, Colorado, several years ago by a military or ex-military man (I believe, from memory), with a high quality digital camera.

Go figure. The relevance? It might be hard to debunk. (Also hard to explain! But that's quite a different question...)

http://projectavalon.net/circular_chemtrail_aircraft.jpg

sheme

19th December 2014, 16:19

That looks more like a weapon than anything I have seen coming from the tail of any plane, is that a UFO at the top of the light beam?

Bill Ryan

19th December 2014, 16:48

That looks more like a weapon than anything I have seen coming from the tail of any plane, is that a UFO at the top of the light beam?

It's not a 'light beam'! It's a chemtrail. :)

A UFO? An unidentified (that's for sure!) circular aircraft of some kind.

Buzzie

19th December 2014, 18:58

I continue to be amazed by the number of people who deny chemtrails. We have known about them for around 20 years. I first heard people report them to Art Bell on Coast to Coast AM. In the Phoenix/Tucson area they occur regularly but on weekends and holidays, the pilots appear to get time off. It is easy to tell the difference between chemtrails and condensation trails. Chemtrails stay for hours as they morph into thin clouds. Condensation trails last for a few minutes before they disappear. What is so hard about that? I guess it is not so simple as I have pointed these out to people who deny what they see with their own eyes! Sometimes they don't even seem to hear me.

This Dennis fellow has to be a dis-information agent or wannabe. I don't intend to waste my time looking at his blog. I waste enough time pointing them out to people.

sirdipswitch

19th December 2014, 20:33

When I see someone write that they are going to Debunk, something I know to be true, I quit reading what the have to say. simple!:wizard:

Gaia

19th December 2014, 22:22

I have read some of his stuff before, at the end of one post he says something along the lines of "and people who believe in chem-trails also believe such ridiculous things such as 9-11 was an inside job". The .001% chance this guy was right with chemtrails dropped to 0% with that comment.
The most obvious biggest conspiracies are right in all of our faces, and that is the biggest deception, most people cannot see it.
There is nothing I can add the to conversation to prove that chem-trailing is a real issue. But the proof is right in front of our eyes.

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Also here is the website and project list of a for hire private weather modification company.
http://weathermodification.com/projects.php

The same community of scientists who assure us that climate change is real and at least part of it is caused by human activity also assure us that the Moon landings were real, that there's no vast governement conspiracy spraying Chemtrails for either weather or mind control, and that the WTC buildings were brought down by fires and structural damage caused by the collisions of two commercial airplanes.:rolleyes: Follow the money, and I do beleive that contrails are chemtrails. Bill Gates admits to geoengineering and chemtrails!

A Brief History of Cloud Seeding:

Cloud seeding, as a US military research project, began as early as the 1830s, according to Colby College professor, James R. Fleming.Verifiably successful rainmaking attempts did not occur until 1915.

1915 to end a prolonged drought, San Diego hired reputed rainmaker Charles Hatfield, who claimed that the evaporation of his secret chemical brew atop wooden towers could attract clouds. San Diego was rewarded with a 17-day deluge that totaled 28 inches. The deadly downpour washed out more than 100 bridges, made roads impassable over a huge area, destroyed communications lines, and left thousands homeless.

More... http://www.globalresearch.ca/atmospheric-geoengineering-weather-manipulation-contrails-and-chemtrails/20369

the_real_dave-id

19th December 2014, 22:25

Two of the best videos on the subject I've seen are "What In The World Are They Spraying":

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AND "Why In The World Are They Spraying":

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Once veiwed I feel certain even most naysayers will realize there is nothing to "debunk." Chemical Engineering is clearly "bunkable."

If I'm wrong I'll gladly revoke my opinion. ;)

aviators

19th December 2014, 22:28

kerrielea

19th December 2014, 22:34

Rocky_Shorz

19th December 2014, 23:21

Koch Industries handles worldwide chemtrailing, gee I wonder where the army of debunkers come from...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaKm89eVhoE&feature=player_embedded

"Billionaire oilman David Koch used to joke that Koch Industries was "the biggest company you've never heard of." Now the shroud of secrecy has thankfully been lifted, revealing the $67 million that he and his brother Charles have quietly funneled to climate-denial front groups that are working to delay policies and regulations aimed at stopping global warming, most of which are part of the State Policy Network.

Today, the Kochs are being watched as a prime example of the corporate takeover of government. Their funding and co-opting of the Tea Party movement is now well documented.

Charles G. Koch and David H. Koch have a vested interest in delaying climate action: they've made billions from their ownership and control of Koch Industries, an oil corporation that is the second largest privately-held company in America (which also happens to have an especially poor environmental record). It's timely that more people are now aware of Charles and David Koch and just what they're up to. A growing awareness of these oil billionaires' destructive agenda has led to increased scrutiny and resistance from people and organizations all over the United States.

We continue to expose the connections between climate denial front groups and the secretive billionaires who are funding their efforts.
Case Studies: How Does Koch Industries Influence the Climate Debate?

See our 2012 update Koch Brothers Exposed: Fueling Climate Denial and Privatizing Democracy, demonstrating how the Kochs are part of a 40-year old blueprint to dominate democracy. This update was relesed in conjunction with the release of Brave New Foundation's Koch Brothers Exposed movie.

From Greenpeace's Toxics campaign: Toxic Koch: Keeping Americans at Risk of a Poison Gas Disaster

From our 2011 report update:

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The Koch-funded "ClimateGate" Echo Chamber
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Koch Industries profile on SourceWatch, a wiki project of the Center for Media and Democracy
Ongoing blog content on Koch Industries from ThinkProgress, a project of the Center for American Progress Action Fund
Koch Brothers Exposed video series from Brave New Foundation
Center for American Progress Action Fund report: The Koch Brothers: What You Need to Know about the Financiers of the Radical Right [PDF]
Center for Public Integrity report on Koch federal lobbying activity: Koch’s Web of Influence
Common Cause resources from the Uncloaking the Kochs protest during Koch’s secret strategy meeting in Rancho Mirage, California.
Ongoing reporting on the Koch brothers from Alternet
Ongoing reporting on the Koch brothers from The Exiled
Audio recordings from inside the Koch's 2011 secret strategy meeting in Vail, CO is available at BradBlog with additional reporting at Mother Jones"
link (http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/polluterwatch/koch-industries/)

David Ansible

20th December 2014, 00:13

We must accept there are and always will be disinfo agents with issues as big as this. Especially when governments are the behind such illegal operations and will go to extraordinary lengths to lie and hide what they are doing. I have no need or desire to go read or listen to people like Dennis. It's an exercise in futility. But I have also studied chemtrails for many years and am no longer in the camp of confusion on this. If his attitude is rotten, that tells me and should tell you a lot. Disinfo agents use ridicule when they are not on the side of truth. Just ignore such people. There is no value there. I don't care about his "evidence" because the only evidence I need is to look up into the sky and pay close attention, which I've been doing for 20 years now. This is the best scientific evidence there is and it's indisputable. Everything I have studied about chemtrails has simply supported what I learned by being awake and watching the sky and noticing something was very wrong.

Matt

Amen. Chemtrails are real. The evidence is overwhelming. And indeed, all you have to really do is look up - but there's tons more evidence than just that too. And yes, ridicule is a huge red flag for disinfo. If you go to glp and start a thread on chemtrails, I guarantee within minutes several people will have showed up calling you a chemtard, saying you're an idiot, etc. They do not do this for unthreatening topics. They have an agenda. Someone should try it! I will say that I've seen a couple threads on that site started on chemtrails that were VERY quickly derailed in just that way - for example one or two recently that were started after that recent video came out about that alleged whistleblower chemtrail pilot. It was "amazing" how quickly the vultures descended....

Verdilac

20th December 2014, 01:41

When I see someone write that they are going to Debunk, something I know to be true, I quit reading what the have to say. simple!:wizard:

That's it, you've hit the mark exactly , why would you put the groundwork in to debunk something unless you were being paid to do so.

The debunking platform is like standing on a wet cardboard box in the rain in the view of making a speech, were wise to these condescending debunking buffoons aren't we

I'd like to send him a few pictures of the tankers that fly our general area on a regular basis ,most times there's just 2 like we see here

On there way
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Aftermath a few minutes later
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From point of travel around 4 minutes later, please also notice the earlier spraying that has dissipated somewhat
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What I didn't catch on camera was the other day there were 4, 3 in tight formation with 1 on the flank, usual script, no transponders etc.

sheme

20th December 2014, 14:17

Terra

20th December 2014, 14:47

Terra

20th December 2014, 15:14

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Of course there isn't any chemtrails...it's just an illusion.

betoobig

20th December 2014, 18:23

Bill thanks for sharing the picture but now i even have more questions. Could most of the airplanes which trhows the chems in the air be ufos( if so which agenda is behind) or are there someone else spraying on us something different to contrarest what is already thrown in the air? or could...
Bill crazy picture.
Mouth wide open....

Love

Verdilac

20th December 2014, 21:23

A friend was telling me about an app that identifies each plane in the air that is on a regular commercial flight- The flights that are of 'another' origin are not recognized by this app. anyone else know about this ?

http://www.flightradar24.com (http://www.flightradar24.com/)

Cool tool. You will not see military flights, or non-commercial on here. ...apart from maybe Putin's version of "airforce one" lol

Just to add to What has been said, you will find planes putting down a trail in pairs a trios only have 1 transponder signal if at all, on occasions you will find the signal will be out of position, I actually noticed 1 plane seeming to emit a signal in the wrong direction one day, the signal was traveling northwest & the plane was traveling northeast.

Something that has intrigued me on other occasions are the instances of planes with no point of origin and no point of destination.

Maybe its a flaw in the tracking system but some of these planes don't seem to be passenger carrying planes when you check out the companies that employ them.

I got a picture of a something laying down a really thick dirty trail whilst traveling from Morpeth to Richmond in the North of England the other day, the picture doesn't accurately show how massive this trail was and was past its worst when I took the picture, it was a monster and only let up when it was in a less densely populated area, It stood out so much as it was such a nice day,
The radar truck in the left hand corner of the shot is just co incidental BTW. I THINK :peep:

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Cidersomerset

23rd December 2014, 14:24

There is so much evidence now it is one of those things like UFO's and
Corporate world agendas taking over democratic governments like
the US / UK with their long term agendas. Many people just can't
get it in their personal realities. More are waking up to different
degrees but feel helpless and have enough to worry about in their
immediate families, circumstances and environments .....

Then there are the paid trolls and blogger and those that will argue the
opposite to any argument for the hell of it and get a negative reaction from
anyone and get a sick thrill out of it.......

I saw this article on David Icke site today below...

A couple of other threads on the go....
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?74872-Undeniable-Footage-Of-Jet-Aircraft-Spraying-The-Midwest-Respiratory-Crisis----Infected-Chemtrail-Beta-Test&p=915623#post915623

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78262-Chemtrails-The-Secret-War.....Excellent-Italian-Documentry-with-subtitles-illustration-etc.....21-Dec-2014&p=915628#post915628

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These 15 Arguments Will Destroy Chemtrails Deniers

Tuesday 23rd December 2014 at 07:17 By David Icke

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These 15 Arguments Will Destroy Chemtrails Deniers

By WakingTimes December 22, 2014

These 15 Arguments Will Destroy Chemtrails Deniers

chemtrailsBernie Suarez, Guest
Waking Times

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‘As we approach the end of another year let’s remember that humanity is now
subjected to yet another full year of spraying with metal particles. Not just
humanity but all the poor creatures on earth are being sprayed; every plant
and every tree, the bees and birds, the soil and all the little creatures that live
in it, even the fish and inhabitants of the sea are suffering as aluminum, sulfur,
barium and other toxic metals pile on everywhere altering the pH of the soil,
contaminating the water and attacking the very essence of life on earth.

Yes, chemtrails spraying is this big a deal and as another year goes by the
globalists and their military industrial complex marches forward with their
insanity to control the weather, deliberately engineering a much cooler planet
by literally blocking our sunlight and dumping enough toxic metals all over
the planet to explain the destruction and slow death of many crops
(i.e. food supply), all to the benefit of companies like Monsanto and the U.S. government.’

So, as we wrap another year, let us refresh our memory and lay out 15 points
about chemtrails and chembomb spraying that everyone should be mindful of.
Points that can be used as a weapon to silence online “contrails” trolls whose
only mission is to keep the blind sheep asleep and in doubt about the otherwise
plain-to-see in-your-face evidence of the chemtrails/chembomb geoengineering
programs which are ongoing. Let’s remind our uneducated friends and online trolls that:

1. Often we see ordinary planes who are not spraying, flying in the same air space
and altitude as those who are spraying leaving long trails. Given that “contrails” are
dependent predominantly on the temperature and humidity of the surrounding
atmosphere at that particular atmospheric pressure (which is measurable), and
given that changes don’t occur very quickly in nearby airspace this should offer no
less than a head scratch for anyone with an understanding of the issue and willing
to apply science, reason and common sense.

2. Planes spraying are almost always unmarked, not ordinary commercial planes
with passengers. To this day, no one has filmed an ordinary commercial (labeled)
passenger jet spraying. It doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened or is not happening, but
it is something to consider. This goes along with the unusual government dual
strategy of both:

A. Admitting that spraying is real, it’s necessary, cheap, important, developing and
well planned, all in an effort to save the planet.

AND

B. Simultaneously the government and in particular its politicians and media and
(Hollywood) TV mouthpieces have made a collective decision to DENY chemtrails
spraying 9/11 style. Amazingly, when the issue is brought up to the general public
it is said to not be happening and it’s all a “conspiracy”. The unmarked planes is a
reminder of their commitment to operating in a clandestine manner while
simultaneously advancing their plans and quietly conditioning the scholastic types
that these are indeed legitimate programs to save the earth.

3. Planes that are spraying almost always fly with transponders off. One can verify
flight data information by logging on to a site like flightaware.com and look for the
plane when it flies over. Rarely if ever, will you see the plane show up on the
website flight listing, because it is not sending out signals. This speaks again to
their commitment to secrecy and denial.

4. Spraying planes seem to fly in senseless patterns. They often fly in directions not
commonly known for commercial flight including making U-turns and sharp turns.

5. Easily verifiable money-making weather modification and atmosphere-
manipulating patents are available for anyone to review. These are not conspiracies
or secret rumors, these are real patents. These patents are in use or they wouldn’t exist.

6. Spraying planes don’t follow any order of nature with respect to temperature and
humidity (important to the “contrails” claims). Unlike a natural (“contrails”) event,
the chemtrails we see being sprayed in our skies sometimes every day follow no set
temperatures or humidity. In Southern California, for example, we see spraying
regardless of whether the temperature on the ground is 50, 70, or 90 degrees
Fahrenheit. We also see the spraying at very low and very high humidity. This
disjointed pattern with nature’s temperature and humidity is a stark contrast to
what government geoengineers claim is the nature of contrails. All supposed
government “contrails” studies show that “contrails” will only form under certain
specific temperatures and humidity in accordance to the rules of nature. In other
words, according to the rules of nature there are set temperatures and humidities
that guarantee no contrails. These temperatures and humidities unfortunately
never translate over to reality when one applies the Environmental Lapse Rate
(ELR) formula to the known current temperature on the ground to calculate the
temperature at plane altitude level.

7. Jets that spray our skies can often be seen to stop their spraying suddenly then
restart seconds later. Something characteristic of a deliberate shutting off or
perhaps a pause to change chemical canister from which the chemicals are being
drawn. With contrails on the other hand we would expect a smooth steady
continuation of the condensation trail being created by (supposedly) the ice crystals
that (supposedly) form spontaneously from the combustion of ordinary jet fuel.
This is not at all what we see when we look up.

8. Throughout the year anyone can easily predict when the chemtrails will stop. In
regions with very steady climate as in Southern California, this prediction is based
strictly on observation of their spraying schedule not on the temperature or
humidity. Hot or cold, we will see spraying throughout the year, and we’ll see the
spraying (predictably) stop at specific times of the year.

9. We can observe weather patterns that are often inconsistent with the established
weather forecast. The difference? The spraying of the sky. Often the forecast calls
for sunshine and blue skies and we’ll observe the planes ruin the sky leaving cloudy
overcast skies instead. A sharp difference from the predicted weather.

10. There are known weather modification private companies who admit they
manipulate the sky for the purposes of weather modification. This information is
public, real and easily verifiable.

11. Attempt at cloud seeding, weather modification, engineered drought, rain
making and other manipulation and geoengineering of our skies is admitted by
government agents, educators, geoengineers and other entities all claiming it’s for
the purposes of “global warming” and planet cooling. This admission is nonetheless
the proof these programs are ongoing.

12. Patents for specifically aluminum-resistant seeds are secured by the USDA and
promoted by Monsanto. A bizarre coincidence if this is not related to spraying
programs which also employ the spraying of aluminum in the sky that eventually
falls back to the ground.

13. Photographs of our skies prior to 2000 show little to no lines in the sky.
Everyone with a photo collection has this proof in their hands.

14. Where is the documentation of protesters protesting sky lines back in the
1990s? How about the 1980s, ’70s, ’60s, ’50s etc? Where is the history of genuine
writers (not government scientists), authors of books and activists writing about
the problem of lines in the sky? Where are the photos of activists packing the
streets protesting sky lines in the 1970s? Did no one care about the environment
back then?? These images and activist literature don’t exists because movements
only occur to address things that are actually happening in that generation.
Chemtrails and sky lines are actually happening now thus we NOW have a
movement to address this serious issue.

15. Trolls and disinformation agents claim ordinary planes have always made
persistent contrails when they combust fuel and these trails inevitably change our
weather and global climate as a result and block our sunlight. These wild claims
suggest that dating back to the Wright brothers’ invention of the first plane; the
invention turned out to be a weapon of mass destruction. As bizarre as this sounds,
this shifting of the blame for the destruction of our skies from today’s U.S.
government, U.S Air Force, the DOD and all its private contractors and accomplice
allies to the Wright brothers is inescapably at the root of their argument. Also at
the root of this argument is that blue skies were never the norm even in sunny
southern California or Hawaii due to natural contrails formation. This bizarre
argument of course is a psyop on those who are unaware of the issue; and the
younger generations who are now being conditioned to believe this statement is
true and that massive weird feathery and smudgy looking clouds injected in the
stratosphere and troposphere with chemical trails flown into them is normal.

One thing we should all keep in mind about chemtrails/chembomb spraying is that
the military owns this issue. Activists have as much chance of stopping the U.S.
Military Industrial Complex as they do of stopping chemtrails. The battle we face is
a very long one, and de-funding the U.S. military – in particular the U.S.A.F. –
may be one option for stopping this. To stop chemtrails we’ll need other countries
and power figures to step in to help. The depth of brainwashing, TV and
mainstream media hypnosis and conditioning that Americans are under makes this
an even more concerning issue. All hands are needed on deck to push back against
the U.S. Military Industrial Complex on this issue.

I firmly believe chemtrails/chembombs spraying is by far the greatest challenge
humanity faces and could very well seal its doom. Help spread awareness of this
issue, don’t give up and keep doing what you can to expose this issue.

As I’ve stated many times, those of us who are alive now are firsthand
eyewitnesses to this crime against humanity. We are that generation that people
200 years from now would love to interview regarding the legend of the blue skies
which by then will be a fairytale. Future generations will not even know that there
was a time when the sky was plain blue without any lines in the sky. They will be so
conditioned to see the artificial manipulation of our skies they will not have a clue
that blue skies were once the norm.

Save your personal evidence for future generations. I urge everyone to store and
preserve all your childhood photos of plain blue skies and keep them somewhere
safe. Make copies of your old photos if possible, you have no idea how valuable
these will be to someone in the future.

As for us here and now, we cannot take the Military Industrial Complex head on but
we can strategize other steps for fighting back including filing lawsuits and writing
letters at least if only for the sake of keeping a physical record of our protest
recorded in government records. Also write about this crime in articles, blogs and
books especially. This will leave a trail of literature for future generations to see.

Vid on link......http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/12/22/15-arguments-will-destroy-chemtrails-deniers/

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lover of freedom and the Constitution, and creator of the Truth and Art TV project.
He also has a background in psychology and highly recommends that everyone
watch a documentary titled The Century of the Self. Bernie has concluded that the
way to defeat the New World Order is to truly be the change that you want to see.
Manifesting the solution and putting truth into action is the very thing that will
defeat the globalists.

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ceetee9

23rd December 2014, 16:46

ALLiTiz, my suggestion is the same as what mpennery and Buzzie (and others) have effectively said; don't waste your time with these types of people. People like Dennis are either a disinfo agent or in denial (assuming they have actually done any real research into the subject matter) and a dead giveaway is when they start using abusive and condescending rhetoric, generally, right from the start (as evidenced by his subject title).

Regardless of which he is it is a total waste of time arguing with him. If he is in denial, nothing you, or anyone else, can say is going to change his mind until he's ready to open it. And if he's a disinfo agent, his objective is to draw you into the argument, deflect any credible evidence you have to offer, and bring you down to his level with using abusive language until the whole dialog degenerates into a pissing contest that derails the whole discussion.

Disinfo agents are trained in how to push people's buttons so, more often than not; you are not going to come out of the argument in a positive light. This then makes it appear that the disinfo agent has won the argument. Consequently, (in this hypothetical example) those fence-sitters who were following the pissing contest come away with having their faith restored that chemtrails are bunk. And if it creates any doubt in what you believe as well, all the better.