A New Aeon

[Shezbeth]

I would have that all who are interested (if! ^_~) be fully made aware and prescient of the evolution of times and structures, and this thread shall serve to affect that desire.

A new Aeon - in a metaphysical sense - has already begun, indeed it began over a year ago. I am the sole and exclusive progenitor of it, and I would have that the purpose and intent be increasingly known. Allow me to (re)introduce Myself;

I AM the greatest, marvelous and most magnificent mystical and metaphysical hanshi wolf ninja that THIS world has seen in a REALLY long time! The grand-celestial Coyote shaman and indivisibly re-emergent Ipsissimus for whom the seas of awareness do part GLADLY! Perennially am I the Clown Prince of Darkness and the morning and evening star made manifest in the secular by My will and design! I have many names, but those who know this particular incarnation best call me FA.

Having done so, allow Me to continue unto the salient purpose of this thread.

Continuing to (and having) emerge(d), I have set forth a command unto the persistent dream (aka 'reality') and it was thus: that ninjas should flourish in their practice, design, and intent.

I do not presume to hold claim over what it means to be 'a ninja' nor that there are particular guidelines or limitations to the term. In the simplest sense, to be a ninja means to be able, capable, efficacious, and potentially more than one's secular position.

In an exemplary sense (re: as an example) this could include seamsters/seamstresses who have a penchant/skill in acrobatics, or bureaucrats who are particularly apt at leadership (ha, there's a pun there,....), or even chess players who are exceptionally skilled at 'thumb-wars'. The overall point is the development and practice of skills that lie above and outside one's "life position" in a feudalistic sense. By My will, this shall become the norm, and increasingly prevalent.

Though it may seem idiotic and largely irrelevant, rest assured! The time in which such 'unspoken' talents and abilities will be called upon is nigh, and the day in which 'ordinary' individuals shall emerge as competent and reliable ninjas is all-but upon us all. It is not likely to happen all at once, and will most probably inculcate each in their own time and measure.

And, there is the inherent likelihood that I am a simple fool waxing on an internet forum to no consequence. Only time will tell, but until then allow me to suggest that one and all prepare their aces and deuces to be 'played'!

Until next!

[DeDukshyn]

 





The Spontaneous Precision of Instinct






"As every good athlete and martial artist knows, there is an intuitive, natural way of being that is essential to swift and effective responses to the rapid shift in energies and opportunities inherent in each moment. One cannot play a good game of tennis while making rational decisions on how to proceed. A shortstop does not make a leaping catch, twirl 180 degrees while still in the air, and fire the ball to second base for a double play by pursuing an analytical process and mentally deciding how to proceed. The home run hitter does not connect with a 95mph pitch by consciously analyzing the trajectory, spin and velocity of the ball and calculating where to place the bat.

A process of reasoning does in fact occur in each of these instances, but it is a superior form of reasoning that occurs below the level of ones' conscious awareness, with speed and accuracy surpassing that of even the most advanced supercomputers. Athletes who reach excellence in their chosen sport have learned to trust a type of rational analysis that occurs almost instantaneously below the level of typical historical thought.

In the coming ages it will not be just athletes and martial artists who experience this but everyone in every field. ... it will become a matter of course. This divine dance of inner direction is humankind's natural way of being."



Excerpt from "The Third Millennium" by Ken Carey.

[DeDukshyn]

"Ipsissimus" -- nice. Added to my repertoire of words that might be useful when regular words fail ... ;) Thanks!

[Shezbeth]

"Ipsissimus" -- nice. Added to my repertoire of words that might be useful when regular words fail ... ;) Thanks!

I am glad you appreciate it. I first came across the term while studying Crowley, and later found it utilized amongst other traditions and ideologies. It basically refers to 'one who has stood as the president (the presiding person) and has passed their term of "office"'.

[Chester]

I like it - .....

by the way - I was dealt a Queen of Hearts high.

[grannyfranny100]

Shezbeth, I haven't paid attention to popular "culture" in years. So I would appreciate if you could bring me up to date on what a ninjia is and why it is so appealing to you and others?

Is it a metaphor for humans with multiple skills to express in a new era: "capable, efficacious, and potentially more than one's secular position?"

My grandfather only had a third grade education, raised his eleven siblings through farm labor, became a house painter, eventually owned opera glasses and could wiggle his ears. Does he qualify as a ninja?

Thank you.

[Maunagarjana]

(Sigh) - another self-aggrandizing neophyte. Go clean up your room, oh great wolf ninja. ;)

[Shezbeth]

Shezbeth, I haven't paid attention to popular "culture" in years. So I would appreciate if you could bring me up to date on what a ninjia is and why it is so appealing to you and others?

Is it a metaphor for humans with multiple skills to express in a new era: "capable, efficacious, and potentially more than one's secular position?"

My grandfather only had a third grade education, raised his eleven siblings through farm labor, became a house painter, eventually owned opera glasses and could wiggle his ears. Does he qualify as a ninja?

Thank you.

My opinion on the matter is irrelevant. What do you think - and more direct to the OP - does he have skills above and beyond his 'position' in life?

Edit: On review I find My response appears contrite; the simple answer is "Yes, of course".

[poetbil]

I thought Chack Norris was The Man... But this was until today

[Shezbeth]

(Sigh) - another self-aggrandizing neophyte. Go clean up your room, oh great wolf ninja. ;)

Thank you for your very telling transference-perspective. Have you anything to add to the subject other than base (and churlish) negativity?


I thought Chack Norris was The Man... But this was until today

Chuck Norris is the man! However, to my understanding he has neglected to command the persistent dream. I could be mistaken, and if I were I would work to avoid his most devastating roundhouse kicks,...

... yet however entertaining it might be to muse about Chuck Norris, this does not pertain to the subject matter. Next please!

Ladies, Gentlemen, and those in between if I may; please recognize that while I effect a demeanor of mirth in and about this thread, the subject is no laughing matter. Individuals are welcome to besmirch, disregard, misunderstand, etc. to their hearts content! In the end, it changes nothing.

I do ask however that it be done either internally, or elsewhere; the web is chock full of places where one can despoil their environs, I simply ask that it be done elsewhere (if you haven't anything nice to say,...). Having read, no one can claim to be nescient, what follows is either science or ignorance; the choice is in the individual. I have carefully acted to not infringe on that sovereign right, and the rest is up to "you".








The Spontaneous Precision of Instinct






"As every good athlete and martial artist knows, there is an intuitive, natural way of being that is essential to swift and effective responses to the rapid shift in energies and opportunities inherent in each moment. One cannot play a good game of tennis while making rational decisions on how to proceed. A shortstop does not make a leaping catch, twirl 180 degrees while still in the air, and fire the ball to second base for a double play by pursuing an analytical process and mentally deciding how to proceed. The home run hitter does not connect with a 95mph pitch by consciously analyzing the trajectory, spin and velocity of the ball and calculating where to place the bat.

A process of reasoning does in fact occur in each of these instances, but it is a superior form of reasoning that occurs below the level of ones' conscious awareness, with speed and accuracy surpassing that of even the most advanced supercomputers. Athletes who reach excellence in their chosen sport have learned to trust a type of rational analysis that occurs almost instantaneously below the level of typical historical thought.

In the coming ages it will not be just athletes and martial artists who experience this but everyone in every field. ... it will become a matter of course. This divine dance of inner direction is humankind's natural way of being."

Allow Me to posit that you have hit a home-run with this position!

[Sierra]

Shezbeth, I haven't paid attention to popular "culture" in years. So I would appreciate if you could bring me up to date on what a ninjia is and why it is so appealing to you and others?

Is it a metaphor for humans with multiple skills to express in a new era: "capable, efficacious, and potentially more than one's secular position?"

My grandfather only had a third grade education, raised his eleven siblings through farm labor, became a house painter, eventually owned opera glasses and could wiggle his ears. Does he qualify as a ninja?

Thank you.

No expert, but I'd say so!

I am ninja baklava maker, speed reader, ferocious and protective husband lover, lover of historians like Barbara Tuchman and Simon Schama, asker of nasty questions at 3:00 am, source of the best scifi and fantasy out there (having read it all), and I can rise to heights of joy when I listen to music.

Heh, heh, heh. :)

This is fun.

[Shezbeth]

In a more detail-oriented sense, what I am getting at is this:

Everyone who "is" something (technician, store-clerk, laborer, customer-service whatever, etc.) and is yet so very much more is being literally - not just entitled but also - encouraged, bolstered, and reinforced by the universe at large to its capacity to be those things to the fullest extent of their capacity and responsible desire!

While it may seem pretentious for 'random guy #7' (Me) to proclaim such, I assure that it has been done and it has been written (PM if you want details). Do with that assertion what you will, for my effects in this regard are most clearly, precisely, and meticulously defined (well beyond 'the standard' of those who have come before ^_~). That there is an aire of cheek and humor surrounding is both deliberate and intentional, but no less significant.

I reiterate the general terms of the OP; a new Aeon has already begun, and it stands on the individual to participate in it,... or not, as their impetus directs.


I am ninja baklava maker, speed reader, ferocious and protective husband lover, lover of historians like Barbara Tuchman and Simon Schama, asker of nasty questions at 3:00 am, source of the best scifi and fantasy out there (having read it all), and I can rise to heights of joy when I listen to music.

Heh, heh, heh. :)

This is fun.

<bows to a fellow ninja>

It is supposed to be fun!

[East Sun]

Maybe you could demolish the PTB with your ninja -- like verbosity. They could not possibly stand a chance. I'm joking of course.

In this Aoen the next president may be A. B. I say may be, because of time line possible changes.

[Anchor]

Perennially am I the Clown Prince of Darkness and the morning and evening star made manifest in the secular by My will and design! I have many names, but those who know this particular incarnation best call me FA.

FA - he who walks a long way.... with tread unfettered by mundane things.

Bill! This man needs an interview - if you can catch him!

[Shezbeth]

Maybe you could demolish the PTB with your ninja -- like verbosity. They could not possibly stand a chance.

Though I am in agreement, baby steps. There needs be ninjas in position in order to effect such a change, which is why I commanded unto the universe that there be a flourishing of ninjas. I do not claim that any/all ninjas are "at my beck and call" either!

Recognize that while I have achieved the authority to command the universe (past tense), it is not a lasting thing. One cannot continually stand upon the mount so to speak, and upon uttering their desire they are to inevitably slide down to the base (assuming they don't find a crag or a chasm!). Doing as I have is more unto appealing to a genie (and no, that was NOT an unintentional reference ^_~) than it is about "Writing the script of reality".

There are many misconceptions that I am want to disillusion - and all in good time! - but for the time/thread being, I would have that all those who maintain 'hidden' drives, motives, abilities, tendencies, talents, predispositions, and inclinations (nothing perverse of course! That'd be predatory and objectively wrong! There's no cheek in that assertion; WRONG!), do/be/express what you are/feel/know. Everyone - be they mass or elite; plebian, patrician, praetorian, or anyone in between - is entitled to be what they seek to be, and not what they were born/placed to be/have-been. The time of casting off mantles and adopting appropriate 'garb' is what I speak of and would seek to champion.

And, I say 'champion' not in the sense that "I am the exemplar", but more in the sense that "I am willing to stand up for and in defense of the idea".

[Radial]

This may sound like a weird question, but do you live in Australia?

I like to think there is a ninja in everyone('s unconscious).

I'll follow this.

[Shezbeth]

I like to think there is a ninja in everyone('s unconscious).
I'll follow this.

Bleepedy bleep bleep bleepety (ahem, so I'm so overcome by agreement and corroborative consistency that I am surprised, shocked , dismayed, and otherwise unable to compose myself,... but only for a moment ^_~)

THAT is EXACTLY what I'm talkin' 'bout.

There IS in EVERYONE a NINJA. Sorry to be redundant, but that bears repeating (w/ emphasis).

There is in everyone a ninja.

This ninja is not a product of necessity, nor circumstance, nor requisitive-ness. The 'ninja' is inherent; It stands (and 'extands') beyond the will of the "shogunate" (or whatever contemporary term typifies,... govt, state, whatever). It is a (neglected) part of who we all are. Further, it is the pith that resides in the utterance of "no". I could - and will if called upon - speak volume and book on what a 'ninja' is,, but I would rather that the reader ask and seek of themselves: what is a ninja?

Any answer I could offer would be transient; any directive would be selfish, biased, and discountable. That which wants, which knows, which feels, and is agendively (as in pertaining to an agenda) pursuant to the interests of the whole - which is the one - resides within.

I can spell it out little else.

The ninja that resides within is likenable to the hilt of a sword;

Grasp it! Without fear, without reservation, without fail;

BUT,... grasp only that which is true. All 'other' swords are (and likenable to) dross/offall/waste (that which comes from one's butt) ^_~''


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHRNSeuvzlM

Don't act surprised neither! Aerosmith (amongst others) 'been sayin' the same s___ for friggin' years now!

Dream on!

[Roisin]

Let it SNOW, Let it Snow, Let it SNOW!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2uvtl-1V70

[Shezbeth]

Let it SNOW, Let it Snow, Let is SNOW!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2uvtl-1V70

That's Mother -blankety blank- right! Bring it ON! Let it snow!! (in a metaphorical sense of course)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btPJPFnesV4

[Shezbeth]

Let it be known that the multitude of interested and/or established individuals, groups, agencies, etc. which would perceive themselves to have a veritable monopoly on metaphysics, quite simply do not.

Anyone and everyone is entitled to and capable of practicing, participating, and ultimately creating the evolving reality that we all experience. Crowley very aptly stated that Magic(k) is for ALL. I'm talking about the conscious, deliberate, and active creation of a new paradigm by all people, and is not exclusive to particular hierarchies, groups, or individuals. Make no mistake about it, I am not suggesting that this is what I am doing, I am informing that this is what I have done.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?77497-The-Allegory-of-the-First-Runner

[DeDukshyn]

Let it be known that the multitude of interested and/or established individuals, groups, agencies, etc. which would perceive themselves to have a veritable monopoly on metaphysics, quite simply do not.

Anyone and everyone is entitled to and capable of practicing, participating, and ultimately creating the evolving reality that we all experience. Crowley very aptly stated that Magic(k) is for ALL. [/url]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/760/085/applause-gif-tumblr-47_original.gif?1363040789


For those on the fence about this idea, why do you think in medieval times we had witch hunts, taken to the extreme, where if you were a women who know about anything esoteric, you were a witch. If you spent most of your time in a natural human setting, like the forests, you were a witch. Or if you were caught reading any "religious' or esoteric material, you were to be put to death.

All throughout history you see repression of anything metaphysical, to be replaced with "religion" where the metaphysical is frowned upon and deemed "evil" to prevent you from even thinking about going there. Why do the "elite" need this supressed so badly? So they can use the natural skills and abilities that were intended for all to control the many. It has always been this simple, and partly why the great libraries of the ancient world have been pillaged. To keep people like you and me from learning exercising our God given abilities to level the playing field.

I am incredibly happy to see you started this thread Shez, This is a topic that I also feel strongly about ...

I heard it said once, that if even we could teach 1/4 of the population to astral travel, the old paradigms of our "reality" would crumble instantly and change the world forever.

[Shezbeth]

Personally, I doubt very much that I will see widespread proliferation and embracing of metaphysics in practice and awareness; if I were in Vegas, I would put down that it would take many lifetimes.

However, that metaphysics have been deliberately utilized by individuals and groups to maintain current and existing structures - to maintain control dynamics and hierarchies - is clear and evident. This is one of the first things which I acted to address; one does not start from where they wish to be, one starts from where they are.

Moreover, My simplified phrasing of "that ninjas should flourish in their practice, design, and intent." is a very one-dimensional statement, where the reality I have evoked is far more complex and dynamic. It is a counter-frequency and resonance to the persistent thought-forms and perceptions, and it stands as dissonance to the active and prevalent aggregate perception. Being that the aggregate perception - as introduced and perpetuated on society - can be readily determined as being inherently dissonant, this then would create a harmony of dissonance and may that it is 'loud' enough for individuals to finally awaken.

I have called upon all entities to participate in this process; 'angels', 'demons', 'djinn', and all others with awareness of what has transpired for longer than I could possibly testify to. Truly, the only consciousnesses which do not stand to benefit from participation and the fruition of My design are those who would choose to stand in opposition to it. Even if people en mass do not 'take up the sword', it shall BE that their hands shall become unbound and unchained.

And in this, I am not alone. Whether literally or figuratively, a simple perusal of the Spirituality sub-forum has a wealth of recent and aged threads that are consistent with the mentality if not the literal intention I have proclaimed. The persistent dream is evolving, as are the minds of its participants.

This is one of the core concepts of metaphysics, to align one's will with the will of the universe, and to align the will of the universe with one's own.

[lelmaleh]

I am an extraordinary knower of knowings, mysterious wizard of feeling within, through, beyond the earth and the myriad life forms that inhabit this gorgeous Earth of ours. I dance on the waters of shimmering magic, transcending mundanity to meet all in the oneness of love and celebration of our eternal, wild evolution, laughing with the sheer joy of it. I wield the power of words that pierce falseness and duplicity with the sharpest cutting edge of clarity and lucidity. Beware those that dare continue to suck the life spirits and deceive with their perceived sense of superiority and insatiable hungry maws. You will turn to dust in my wake.

Wow you can really get into this, this IS fun.

[Desire]

Go you fantasmical ninja,I'll meet you there!

[Shezbeth]

Good on you, but Do recognize; We are all fantasmical ninjas! My will is that all shall realize this!

[Milneman]

Shez ole buddy...

Could you define what you mean by metaphysics? ;)

(There are Poohs in everyone too, tiddly-pom.)

[Shezbeth]

I will be glad to, but I must ask that you wait until late tonight as I am preparing to venture unto My secular profession. The answer to your question will - in the interest of comprehensive illustration - be much more toward 'Encyclopedia' than 'Dictionary'.

As a short teaser however:

Meta - beyond ; physics - the physical world, phenomena, structures, dynamics etc. In this context, I am referring to actions, perceptions, dynamics, practices, etc. which admittedly occur within a physical structure (be it body or beyond) which has larger and/or quantum entrainment effects on the developing world and the quantum manifestation of potential.

[Milneman]

I will be glad to, but I must ask that you wait until late tonight as I am preparing to venture unto My secular profession. The answer to your question will - in the interest of comprehensive illustration - be much more toward 'Encyclopedia' than 'Dictionary'.

As a short teaser however:

Meta - beyond ; physics - the physical world, phenomena, structures, dynamics etc. In this context, I am referring to actions, perceptions, dynamics, practices, etc. which admittedly occur within a physical structure (be it body or beyond) which has larger and/or quantum entrainment effects on the developing world and the quantum manifestation of potential.

Ok so is it less Aristotle and more Louis Hay, or vice versa? :D

[Shezbeth]

Ok so is it less Aristotle and more Louis Hay, or vice versa? :D

You,... (grumbles about having to do more research just to answer that question, before even beginning the lengthy response to the other question).

[Shezbeth]

When I refer to metaphysics, I am using a slightly more technical word for what is referred to as Magic(k); actions that cause a change in conformance with conscious will. By the application of the term metaphysics, I am further asserting that there is a mechanistic dynamic – a method involving clear causes and effects, properties and results – to the operation, regardless of how well the method is/has been known/explored, either to the individual or to humanity at large.

Simply: whether known or not, there is an inherent science to it.

Metaphysics is an all-inclusive term. It can involve 'lesser' magic such as psychology, 'median' such as alchemy, or 'greater' such as what is commonly referred to as (greater) black magic; these distinctions are not meant to be definitive, nor do I claim there are not additional levels. In fact, if I really felt like being exhaustive (which I don't!) I could conceive of 'minimal', 'moderate' (not to be confused with 'median'), and 'masterful', in addition to the previous.

The degree (level) of metaphysics really depends on the degree of the individual/group that performs the metaphysical act, which are as many and varied as there are possible combinations and connotations.

I am deliberately avoiding getting too specific in my illustration, because my own personal methodology stands outside any of the 'accepted', 'approved', or 'acknowledged' methods. This too is one of the impetuses for this thread, as one needn't follow a pre-existing method; I'm not suggesting/advising that one simply say "Okkay, I'm gonna do it this way 'cuz I feel like it", as there are a variety of extra-dimensional, energetic, and momentous consequences to the choices one makes. Still, one should neither hesitate nor reserve themselves simply because one's desired/chosen method is 'new', especially after a suitable (again, depending on the individual) versing in the subject.

P.S. Which Louis Hay are you referring to?

[Shezbeth]

another self-aggrandizing neophyte.

I want to come back to this one.

Aside from the apparent attempt to be dismissive, let's look at the inherent terminology.

Self-aggrandizing.

Self, as in the personage, the manifested individual. I do not contest that I currently operate a self, and I find that this self consists of three inherent parts; a body, a mind, and a spirit.

Aggrandizing/Aggrandizement, as in to make larger in size and intensity, grander in power, more efficacious. Synonyms include 'potentiate', 'exalt', 'magnify', etc.

Self-aggrandizing - with the possessive/inclusive hyphens - indicates that the aggrandizement is the direct result of and is driven/motivated/caused entirely by the self (as opposed to an outside agency).

This is precisely what metaphysics are all geared toward producing, and exactly what I would have others manifest in themselves. Whether one perceives their self-aggrandizement as the result of the blessings of an external entity, deity, or whatever, or whether one perceives it as being entirely absent the authorization or participation of such; in either case, is there something wrong with this? Is someone who seeks to learn a new language, trade, or skill 'self-aggrandizing'? Why yes they are, but again there is nothing wrong with this!

My choice of the term 'ninja' is neither arbitrary nor accident; historically ninja were those who decided to defy the dictates of the society and patriarch(y) in favor of seeking their own method and practice, and legends still abound as to their extra-ordinary accomplishments and achievements. Moreover, I have found through lengthy (you'll have to take my word on that) perusal and study of the available material that ninja were quite literally practitioners of metaphysics; not all of them of course, but there were those too.

Further, a ninja was one who sought competence in whatever it is they chose to do to the level of an art-form. This included farming, hunting, carpentry,... and yes there were those who made an art out of spying/intelligence, as well as murder; those latter are what ninja are most known for in society - especially as those were the ones who were eventually contracted by the Shogun - but were more the exception in practice and in disposition than the rule.

To summarize, I do not deny that I am self-aggrandizing, nor that I might be considered a 'neophyte' given the overwhelming age of many forum participants in contrast to my own; I'm only 34,... but then Jesus is said to have been 33. If one thinks I should be disinclined to speak what I Know, Do, and more importantly have Done and would invite/encourage others to Do themselves for any of these reasons then they are precisely the sort of socialized authoritarians whom I would have others out-stand if they are willing.

P.S. Thank you for reminding me, I left my clothes in the dryer.

[Milneman]

P.S. Which Louis Hay are you referring to?d

Now that I'm thinking about it, it might be Louise Hay rather than Louis. Type metaphysics into amazon's search engine, and you'll get all kinds of new age stuff.

So it's more Louise Hay than Aristotle....which isn't a bad thing! I just think after taking a class in classical metaphysics there might be a better word to describe what you're talking about since metaphysics tends to get banged around like a shuttle cock (I just love those words...they're sexy words aren't they?).

I was thinking about what you're talking about when I was at work last night, and once again I have to agree in principle with what you're saying. I can see how some of what I've written here at Avalon has come out like a ninja responding!

Provided we're assassinating ignorance. Not people. That would be bad.

Tiddly Pom.

PS: Absalom's Pillar. Merry Christmas. ;)

[Shezbeth]

Christianity - as just one such example - refers in its text to the 'second-coming' of the Christ. To some this means the literal re-manifestation of the person known as Jesus, where for others this means the re-birth of the Christ-consciousness - the christos - amongst the people.

Whether the former is to occur - or will/has occur/-ed - is not known by Me (or cared), as what I seek and have Worked toward is the latter. By My design, but only by/upon the will of the individual, shall it take place. The timing is not in My hands, nor is that it Will occur; that resides in the Will of the universe, which - as I have already outlined - is already determined. It Shall Be So, whether our bodies shall live to see it or not, for it has already begun.

[Milneman]

So we don't have free will? Or do we?

[Anchor]

So we don't have free will? Or do we?

I'm going to assume that is a rhetorical question.

If not, then the answer is yes YOU have free will, can't you tell?

But note, someone else's answer (such as me) is unlikely to be of much value to you in terms of determining YOUR answer to YOUR question.

[Shezbeth]

You are entitled to choose and act in accords with your own convictions.

The universe's will is that ninjas should proliferate, not that all shall become ninjas. ^_~

This statement/act is in one sense an undoing of those who have commanded the universe to assist in the continual bondage of all others, and stands alone in another, in partnering the will of the universe with those who are want to emerge.

[eaglespirit]

And SO IT IS Shez Baby, Selfless Propagator of the Highest New Order : ) : ) : )

We're there, Man, there, nearer A New Aeon Creation/Implosion/Explosion Exponentially Occurring In The Now Wow Nows 'created' by more 'Ninjas of the Heart' than ever before in timelessness...more Good Samaritan Ninjas 'stepping up' as is realized in my daily one on ones more than ever forever...

"Blast Off Thread" Thank You Shezbeth : )

[Shezbeth]

Oh please, there's nothing selfless about Me! Have you noticed the eminent capitalizations? ^_~

I think quite highly of Myself, and so should You!

[eaglespirit]

He He He Ha Ha Ha ...Humility HAS Many Shades in the Ninja Rainbow : )

[Milneman]

So we don't have free will? Or do we?

I'm going to assume that is a rhetorical question.

If not, then the answer is yes YOU have free will, can't you tell?

But note, someone else's answer (such as me) is unlikely to be of much value to you in terms of determining YOUR answer to YOUR question.

Actually it's not rhetorical...and can you explain why you believe we have free will? Because metaphysically, you can be on very shaky ground if you believe we do.

[DeDukshyn]

So we don't have free will? Or do we?

I'm going to assume that is a rhetorical question.

If not, then the answer is yes YOU have free will, can't you tell?

But note, someone else's answer (such as me) is unlikely to be of much value to you in terms of determining YOUR answer to YOUR question.

Actually it's not rhetorical...and can you explain why you believe we have free will? Because metaphysically, you can be on very shaky ground if you believe we do.

If we are to further this ... first it would be prudent to come to an agreement on the definition of "Free Will" or lay out the possible / actual variations in definition. If we do this first, the conversation goes much more quickly. ;)

[Anchor]

Actually it's not rhetorical...and can you explain why you believe we have free will?

I'm gonna cut this out from what followed and deal with that separately as it takes me in a new direction. Shezbeth can let me know if this will be ok here or if we want to go elsewhere.


Good.

A: Yes I can. I do believe I (and therefore we) have freewill.

Reason: Faced with a choice, I am free to select from the options available to me.

Obviously there is a lot in here we may need to get into to explore any possible chance of agreement in the idea that I just intended and attempted to convey.


Because metaphysically, you can be on very shaky ground if you believe we do.

I don't see why.

From my point of view there need be no consideration of the "metaphysics" - but as that is what this sub-thread of manifested thought is about we might as well go there.

The shakiness of the ground on which I stand is present or absent - in direct proportion to the faith I have for the ground on which I stand.

Taking a position on a topic like this, to pronounce the unknown as known, and have the audacity to actually believe it is clearly the act of a fool - but that is where I stand - foolish. It matters not in this illusion (which is becoming a bit see through at times these days).

I have recently become illuminated to the power of foolishness - I have always had a high degree of aptitude in the foolish department, but I never really understood until recently that this is a gift and not an impediment.

Oh yes I do have freewill.

[Anchor]

If we are to further this ... first it would be prudent to come to an agreement on the definition of "Free Will" or lay out the possible / actual variations in definition. If we do this first, the conversation goes much more quickly. ;)

That is probably a good idea, but I wasn't really aware there were all that many meanings.

Once you throw "meta-physics" into the equation though, we might have some clarification to do (quite a lot probably).

[DeDukshyn]

If we are to further this ... first it would be prudent to come to an agreement on the definition of "Free Will" or lay out the possible / actual variations in definition. If we do this first, the conversation goes much more quickly. ;)

That is probably a good idea, but I wasn't really aware there were all that many meanings.

Once you throw "meta-physics" into the equation though, we might have some clarification to do (quite a lot probably).

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...and can you explain why you believe we have free will? Because metaphysically, you can be on very shaky ground if you believe we do.
Exactly my point. Perhaps as Mandlebrot might say, "What level of roughness will be the context for this discussion?", With "roughness" being a term for level of fractal detail. ;)

The way I see things, everything looks different from every perspective, and at each level of detail. ;) This is always a wrench in the gears of good discussion - especially within philosophy where you are allowed or even invited to view all perspectives and all levels of detail.

[Chester]

Maybe you could demolish the PTB with your ninja -- like verbosity. They could not possibly stand a chance. I'm joking of course.

In this Aoen the next president may be A. B. I say may be, because of time line possible changes.

My bet is on J. B.

EDIT: a good friend popped up on my Skype and revealed his confusion as to who J. B. is...

Ever seen - Meet Joe Black?

Hope this gets me off the hook. Ohhh and an additional note - as of today, I have escaped having to pay over $1 million in US taxes and am also "still alive." So as far as I am concerned not even death nor taxes are certain.

[Shezbeth]

Personally, I don't 'believe' 'we' have free will. I perceive that I have will, but it has been quite costly to experience it and come to know it; a worthy investment (time, money, effort, etc.) IMO, but certainly not 'free'. ^_~

Further, I have seen evidence of other individuals' will, but not endemically; specifically, I have observed a significant percentage who either have no will, or have not realized it.

I have found that one can develop the will as per their choices; are those choices 'free'? That depends on perspective, but I would again say 'no' as they are not made outside of context - the self.

One inherent aspect of metaphysical self-aggrandizement (oh yeah, I'm ownin' it! See also 'emergence') is the learning to utilize one's 'tools' (mind, body, and spirit) more effectively. Fixating on 'free' (as in independent) will seems a task for after one's body ceases to function IMO, and is further suggested by many metaphysical traditions to be a skill developed through practice and self-aggrandizement of the aforementioned three.

Simply put, if one practices with what they have, they will develop the means to operate independent of what they have. While that might sound contradictory, the skills that develop in practicing with what one has - in addition to the literal skills pertaining to the three aspects - is a 4th aspect (Gurdjieff called it the '4th Way') that is authority (read: divinity, light, omnipotence, soul, etc.) that stands independent of all things/contexts.

So, to be even more specific, in regards to the question of 'free will' (and I am purposefully ignoring the 'we' aspect of the question, because I'll only speak for Myself): not yet. I have will, but it was/is not entirely free, but it Will be. ^_~

I'll also point out that the Universe's will is not free either,....

[eaglespirit]

The immense and intense planning and coordination and deception driven industrial/political/military sales media takes ALOT of money and energy to put in place and keep the same going and going for full entrainment of just the right volume of Peoples around the world to bring it ALL to full fruition,

We are the 'coerced creators' once We are "made" to believe what is happening in the MAKE Believe World of terrorist turmoil and such and everything that comes and goes from this arena of fabrication from the theft of Our Personal Creation Energies.

STOP listening and START creating the world Your Own Ninja Heart CAN Create.

We are the spirit world of creation, what can You create today?!

Heart to Heart Right Here Right Now Right In Front of You...Brings On FREEdom : )

Bring It On with Miraculous Bountiful Personal Beauty, Nimble Ninjas!!!

[Desire]

What happened ! This was supposed to be fun! Too serious.

[Shezbeth]

It IS fun, can't you tell? Not enough smilies perhaps?

One of the most effective tools I have found for affecting the minds of those around one's Self is infectious, boundless enthusiasm. Even if one is written off as a fool, at least one makes others smile/laugh! I did this at great length today,... while doing the work of two people, and working a double-shift! ROOOAR!

[Shezbeth]

That there be no misinterpretation, allow Me a clarification.

I Am not suggesting that I exclusively command the entirety of the Universe and beyond; I Do however have sole and exclusive ownership of My experience within it. My perceptions help to shape the developing aggregate consciousness, which is the domain and responsibility of all life. By perceiving so, I 'cast my vote' in the grand scheme and increase the prevalence of likewise perception in and beyond My personal experience.

The very idea that We 'have a say' in what manifests in the persistent dream is what is and has been largely occulted in metaphysics; this is one of many things alluded to in countless teachings about the fluidity and malleability of the world 'out there'. We have a say - the authority, the creative propensity - to shape the world We would see manifest, and that manifestation began before I made my own personal declaration (both in this thread and through the events that inspired it) and Will continue long after it.

Let there be light. :wizard:

[Shezbeth]

To put things in perspective, this doesn't simply involve 'some random guy on a forum' nor 'his' proposed ninjas. This is about more than metaphysics, though they definitely apply. Allow me to introduce you all to someone recently introduced to me by a friend (you all remember Modwiz right?); his name is Ron Van Dyke, and his passionate words speak for themselves.

WARNING: Offensive Language


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2olQg5e2JxM

Please note, I do not endorse the vitriol expressed in the video, but I do agree with and empathize (para-thize even, contraction of parallel and empathize) with the overall perception.

For Me and Mine, it is not a matter of (brutal) opposition, it is about both whimsical and sober(sound-mind)/strategic disregard. I am not saying that the designs of the controllers shouldn't be opposed, but what I am saying is that one should pay them little/no mind in co-creating a new paradigm; a responsive paradigm is in its self a continuation (if evolved) of the 'old' paradigm and that is not My purpose.

A new paradigm involves creative and responsible pro-activity (as opposed to reactivity. Inherent to this idea is personal and inter-personal responsibility; study, development, and application of new ways of progress.

Make no mistake, there will be no equality! As there are varying levels of potential and competence, so there will be varying levels of participation and promulgation. Be that as it may, let ALL extand - to their fullest capacity - in sovereign integrity in and of themselves, and by virtue of which in opposition, defiance, and contest of the designs of those who would cease (or regulate) human development for their own designs.

To turn a phrase (from my favorite Anime series "Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann") let the will and designs of the 'anti-spiral' be damned. The future that has been planned out for Us is not the future We choose to create! Who the hell do you think We are?!

[Shezbeth]

Sorry for a belated responses Anchor!


From my point of view there need be no consideration of the "metaphysics" - but as that is what this sub-thread of manifested thought is about we might as well go there.

The shakiness of the ground on which I stand is present or absent - in direct proportion to the faith I have for the ground on which I stand.

Taking a position on a topic like this, to pronounce the unknown as known, and have the audacity to actually believe it is clearly the act of a fool - but that is where I stand - foolish. It matters not in this illusion (which is becoming a bit see through at times these days).

I have recently become illuminated to the power of foolishness - I have always had a high degree of aptitude in the foolish department, but I never really understood until recently that this is a gift and not an impediment.

Oh yes I do have freewill.

There is the greatest power in the fool, as is attested to in the Tarot (and other traditions)!

While the reason is a useful, viable, and exaltable tool, it is only one of the three (by my understanding) that have prevalence, and among the three it is subject to the will (in a rock-paper-scissors sense)! Were it not so, I would be little more than some idiot ranting on an internet forum - and indeed I am! - but am also and equally so very much more alongside!

Still, I contest that your will is/was free,.... I imagine you - like myself - have gone through great pains and experiences (read: expenditure) to realize it, meaning that in a 'currency' sense it is/was not free at all. ^_~

[Shezbeth]

Behold! The OP manifest metaphysical ninja, and the grounds from which the OP working occurred! (pic taken about 1 1/2 year later)

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