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Aspen
21st December 2014, 00:36
I find it interesting after all the revelations from GoodETxSG about Breakaway Civilizations to notice how much the concept has existed in fiction and also in the intention behind some of the real science. If there really is a Secret Space Program (I believe there probably is) it is fascinating to notice possible clues. Or maybe if it is in our collective consciousness it means it will manifest, even if travel at the speed of light and to the stars, does not already exist. It's only a matter of a few years before it exists in the mainstream media as a reality.

My skeptic husband was surprised this week to find NASA videos discussing testing for Warp speed and discussing the theoretical and very real theory behind it. I was looking for the video and stumbled across an article describing a new mini series launching Dec. 15 2014 about a Breakaway civilization. A starship launced 51 years ago from earth is arriving at its destination. That is the storyline.

The story was based on actual events that took place beginning in about 1957!

"In his book "Project Orion: The True Story of the Atomic Spaceship," author George Dyson (son of famed scientist Freeman Dyson who worked on Project Orion) writes that the project, which began in 1957, aimed to launch manned missions to Mars by 1965, with trips to Saturn by 1970. According to Dyson, the project ran through 1965, was overseen by General Atomic and gained NASA's interest in 1963 because of its high specific impulse for space propulsion.


Engineering a space colony

SyFy's "Ascension" embraces its space history, with the crew of its ship garbed in 1960s style, using retro tech and showing a glimpse of what life on a generational colony spaceship would be like. The show begins in the present day, 51 years after the ship's launch, as the mission hits its midpoint.http://www.space.com/28013-ascension-syfy-tv-miniseries-project-orion.html


"The real-life Project Orion began in the late 1950s and ran through the early 1960s until it was shut down after the passage of the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty of 1963, according to a project description on NASA's Glenn Research Center website. But the promise of such a craft was tantalizing, especially given how it worked.

"About five bombs per second are dropped out the back and detonated to propel the craft along. A huge shock plate with shock absorbers make up the base of the craft," reads one NASA description. "Experiments using conventional explosives were conducted to demonstrate the viability of this scheme. Although this vehicle was conceived to take a crew to Mars, it can also be considered for sending smaller probes to the stars." [Superfast Spacecraft Propulsion Concepts (Images)]

But what if the program was not shut down? Couldn't they easily have continued the research by limiting the use of nuclear devices to propel the spaceship to use after it had left earth orbit???? Maybe this is when the actual Secret Space Program began. The involvement of Atomic Energy corporations also makes sense, as they have international influence and are very powerful politically. This was discovered by activists trying to shut down nuclear power plants designed to produce electricity. There are 100 such nuclear power plants in the US. It is my understanding that each nuclear power plant produces plutonium as a by-product, about 5 pounds per year. This plutonium could easily have been used to power spaceships for decades.

Regardless of whether the events depicted in this mini-series really happened or not; it is interesting to see how much is being revealed through the popular media about Breakaway civilizations and travel at light speed or close to it. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/space-warp-drive http://www.scoop.it/t/emdrive

Although the actual NASA site is still saying that the table top experiment to verify the theory of a warp drive engine had not yet happened, this paper written a year ago states that the table top experiment had already been conducted. So even in little things you can catch them in the lie, catch them not telling us everything. http://www.mehtapress.com/mehtapress/Journals/Journal-of-Space-Exploration/Volume-3-Issue-1/vol_3_issue_1_file_2.pdf

I suppose the excuse that was used during the cold war, that "These are state secrets that must remain classified for reasons of security" still holds. I guess as long as there is perpetual war, such as the War on Terrorism, that excuse is still in effect . . .

Aspen
21st December 2014, 22:09
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Another movie that was made about a Breakaway Civilization back in 2001 , Ice Planet. Its fascinating that the mission to our real ice planet, Pluto was approved around the same time this movie was made. It was supposed to be a pilot to a follow up mini series. The idea was that the people from a base on the moon of Jupiter (IO) were suddenly evacuated when an AI type civilization attacked. Earth was also attacked and the entire population wiped out. The only humans left were on a spaceship headed for an unknown destination. They find themselves on an Ice Planet and discover another "Break away" colony of humans (who are more primitive culturally). They are protected on this ice planet by a force shield and discover that other more advanced ethereal beings are fighting the swarms of AIs to protect humans.

Coincidentally, or not (?) the ice planet goes through a rift in time or portal to its real location (the planet moves like a spaceship) and ends up in its home place surrounded by four moons. Nasa recently announced that Pluto has five moons. It was previously thought to have just one.

The truth about Pluto is probably going to be equally fascinating. With the discovery that Pluto is only one of many hundreds of planet sized objects (some with moons) that exist at the edge of the "known" solar system (in the Kuiper belt) - I am sure there are many exciting real life discoveries and revelations lying ahead . . . 283520bZ-jTrTdjc

New Horizons is a probe that is due to arrive at the real ice planet, Pluto, this year July 15 2015. \The mission was put together by a company outside of NASA. Just as GOODETxSG mentioned, many firms and contractors are involved in space missions. Its not all NASA! For example Alan Stern explained that the impetus for the Pluto project came from outside NASA, it took 14 years for their company (Southwest Research Institute) to persuade funders to finance this mission. iPyRAmviIuE

Aspen
21st December 2014, 22:39
National Geographic put together a 3 hour documentary on scientific advances and the work that has been done to prepare an "ark ship" in the event that we need to evacuate earth. Many scientists talk about the research that has already been done for this "theoretical" project. Maybe all these movies and documentaries about humans living away from earth indefinitely are a type of programming to get us used to the idea? oLl_QqmAil4

There is apparently a place in Florida called starship city????

Cardillac
22nd December 2014, 01:11
for more about the concept of a "breakaway civilization" do read almost all of Dr. Joseph Farrell's research/works on this topic; he leaves everyone else absolutely in the dust regarding this concept/topic-

be well all-

Larry

amor
22nd December 2014, 03:56
I am left wondering whether this is a fictional projection re the neutron star and/or Arcs or whether this is or has been actually in the works. Adding Project Camelot's information re Mark Richards as spaceship captain adds to the confusion. I have several ideas which make the LINEAR CONCEPT OF SPACE FLIGHT LAUGHABLE.

amor
22nd December 2014, 04:59
I am left wondering whether this is failed, old, science fiction or whether Project Camelot's version of off-world advanced spaceflight (Mark Richards as spaceship Captain and stories about subluminal speeds of flight and spotting an approaching galactic shockwave) are the existing reality. We reportedly have had anti-gravity craft since the early 1950's so why potter around with rockets (when you have anti-gravity) an infantile concept if you have any idea of the true formation of matter through THE identical FORCE meeting at regular angles (less than 90 degrees, the flower of life) to form resultant forces which in turn repeat the process, forming complex interactive SPIRALS ever increasing in complexity towards the formation of subatomic and atomic and molecular structures. What you have to imagine is two spiraling forces whose centers, like a galaxy, are moving in the same direction. Mentally move their centers closer together so that the spiraling arms circle from the bottom of the one on the right, moving up to meet the spiraling arms moving down of the one on the left. These SAME FORCES MEET AT OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS LESS THAN 90 DEGREES. This complex mass of RESULTANT forces may be replicated through the interface of a computer program and a three dimensional moving hologram. If the computer program arranges these "wheels of force" in various geometric patterns, the hologram will reveal the resultant formations of matter and eventually the UNIVERSE. i believe the Aliens under Lake Titicaca have already accomplished this feat according to a tourist who got entrance through the rock face through musical tones. He saw a replica of our Universe and was told that they wanted to know WHERE THEY WERE IN IT. I believe it to have been a created holographic replica viewed telepathically.

Now on the Einstein's E=MC squared. To me, if he thought nothing was faster than light then this means C squared can only mean Mass smashing into itself FACEON. Forget that. It will only destroy the space-time fabric and destroy you with it. Possibly the only things which do not really exist in the universe are straight lines and perfect circles as modes of motion. We move in eliptical spirals within spirals within spirals.

As I said in another Reply post, flying saucers use an anti-gravity frequency which moves the craft at 45 degree angle opposite to earth's rotation faster than the PULL SIGNAL which arrives from the sun. This can be done by using Mercury to seek the center of gravity while the frequency is ejected at the required 45 degree angle, all of which is controlled by a computer linked to the mind commands of the operator. In this way, the lift off from the planet and eventually from the solar disks gravitational influence, cancels the solar grip and the craft moves or "warps" into galactic space. If this is programmed on the computer correctly, the craft will move away from the gravitational pull of each successive celestial force at a rate eventually at which the celestial bodies are moving, all using only the form of its original energy. To return to a planet, the process is reversed by the computer on the craft.

I have had an experience which suggested to me that we may be experiencing a mind-link creating our life on this earth while in actual fact, we are asleep, perhaps on a very long journey across the Universe or as simply a form of therapy or recreation. Transporting large masses of people may involve such a program. The bodies are nourished while the BRAIN is kept alive and active in a mind-link fantasy. Alternately, people may be put UNDER for extended periods and reawakened for work required on the journey and to maintain biological health.

Milneman
22nd December 2014, 21:25
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Thoughts?

Aspen
22nd December 2014, 21:43
Interesting trailer Milneman. It states the movie came out Oct 24 2014. I wonder if anyone has seen it? The premise appears to be that humans are forced to seek other worlds. This is similar to the reports I have read about exploration missions for NASA and other countries. There seems to be an assumption that we must look off world. I guess it has to do with human population growth and our desire the explore and colonize, much like the pattern appears to have been over the last few thousand years on earth. I doubt that interstellar travel will take as long as it shows in movies like this. If we invent warp drive as NASA currently is actively testing, then it would only be a matter of weeks to the closest stars. And if there are portals/stargates/ wormholes humans may have been traveling off world to colonies for years already. Although they show old techonologies in the trailer, the premise shown in this trailer, certainly seems to be that humans will live independently - like a Breakaway Civilization.

Maybe these movies are programming so we accept the necessity of off world travel and perhaps can more easily accept any that has already occurred when or if Disclosure happens . . .

Aspen
22nd December 2014, 21:46
Thank you Cardillac. I hadn't heard about Dr. Farrell. It seems Project Camelot interviewed him in the past. I found a youtube video from November of this year. iAihkWQvpUM this one does not go into Breakaway civilizations, it is talking about the Nazis and the CIA and secrets from UFOs and the political situation after the second world war up to Kennedy. Could you recommend one on the Breakaway Civilizations? Thanks

Aspen
22nd December 2014, 22:17
Richard Dolan talks about the possibility of a Breakaway Civilization. But his concept had more to do with a civilization underground or hidden on earth, that was using secret technologies and other means to create a society independent of the mainstream - and not so much existing independently off world. He explains it at minute 36.4_QvJh-u9fw

Aspen
22nd December 2014, 22:33
I am not sure who coined the term Breakaway Civilization. Was it Richard Dolan or Richard Hoaglund? I guess someone on Avalon must know. Richard Hoaglund talks about it in 2011 on Red Ice Creations http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/03/RIR-110320.php

On Richard Hoaglund's website http://www.enterprisemission.com/videos.html

He has several videos. In the one titled Nasaflix he points out that Nasa has been using nuclear powered space flight for 30 years. He implies that it was possible to have manned missions that were nuclear powered.9LQzZPnVgNk

This is a more recent video of Hoaglund in 2014 in which he theorizes that images that China took on their recent moon mission may be being used to blackmail the US and may lead to disclosure about moon bases. He thinks that is what the agenda is of the recent meetings in China that the President and First Lady attended. There appear to be huge domes that is the work of an ancient civilization.

Milneman
23rd December 2014, 19:34
Interesting trailer Milneman. It states the movie came out Oct 24 2014. I wonder if anyone has seen it? The premise appears to be that humans are forced to seek other worlds. This is similar to the reports I have read about exploration missions for NASA and other countries. There seems to be an assumption that we must look off world. I guess it has to do with human population growth and our desire the explore and colonize, much like the pattern appears to have been over the last few thousand years on earth. I doubt that interstellar travel will take as long as it shows in movies like this. If we invent warp drive as NASA currently is actively testing, then it would only be a matter of weeks to the closest stars. And if there are portals/stargates/ wormholes humans may have been traveling off world to colonies for years already. Although they show old techonologies in the trailer, the premise shown in this trailer, certainly seems to be that humans will live independently - like a Breakaway Civilization.

Maybe these movies are programming so we accept the necessity of off world travel and perhaps can more easily accept any that has already occurred when or if Disclosure happens . . .

Aspen it's far more interactive than that. It's a game. It's a simulator.

Thoughts? :D