Fredkc
6th November 2010, 21:28
Notice: I am in the middle of writing something which I nearly lost ,and I wanted to post it somewhere while I worked on it.
What you see here is merely preliminary data. a sort of 'common ground' for what struck me as noteworthy.
What else is here consists of notes to myself, etc on section for this hair-brained scheme.
Pay no attention to the man typing furiously in someone's basement!
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Ok, nothing like a new understanding of old information to make the brain flannel on about things in general, eh?
I recently posted about an episode of "Through The Wormhole" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5563-Science-Channel-quot-Through-The-Wormhole-quot) which dealt with Dark Matter, and such. Among the other dangerous things that happened last Thursday, it got me thinking.
Now folk will say that the whole idea of Dark Matter is still a construct. Designed to make other theories hold water. But there are two points in the video above that, I think, take things beyond that. Those are:
1. The initial observations which led to the notion of the stuff.
2. Successful creation of a detector which has mapped the behavior of what dark matter should be. They have detected some 4, or 6 particles of the stuff.
But never mind all that. Here is what stuck in my mind.
Back in the 60's Era Ruben measured the orbital speed of stars in other galaxies and found that they behave differently than expected. They all rotate at the same speed, rather than progressively slower, the farther they are from center. But it does work if you add in Dark Matter. From working with what this told us, the approximate amount of "non-visible matter" should be about 5 times the visible matter.
Then a guy named Carlos Fenck began working with the math of how the visible universe came to be. He began with a giant, post-big bang gaseous cloud of atoms, and then applied the Newtonian ideas of gravity and let fly! Didn't happen. Given the velocity, the gas never did create the required concentrations of mass+gravity to begin bunching up.
Next he starts adding in "pretend" matter, trying to get the right concentration of mass to make this work. When he reached five times the original amount, voila! Particles began to collect, and eventually became galaxies.
Everyone loves Pluto (the ex-planet one), right? That last bit, and the next one follow the way the planet Pluto was found. They measured the gravitational mass of things they could see, and it proved there must be something there.
Gravity affects light. So another guy, began measuring the gravitational effects of light from identical stars and it generated a map of where Dark Matter 'should be'.
Place that map, over top of where the visible matter is in the same area, and bingo again! They overlap. This supports both Fenck's work and LAST GUYS.
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(subsequent section on 'expanding universe - to be written much later)
Bill, in this thread: Earth crack a mystery (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6656-Earth-crack-a-mystery&p=58400&viewfull=1#post58400) you spoke of an expanding earth. This could be evidence of what is know at the true nature of an expanding universe via the affects of what is called 'Dark Energy' (no relation to 'dark matter')
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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7505-CERN-scientists-eye-parallel-universe-breakthrough&highlight=CERN
What you see here is merely preliminary data. a sort of 'common ground' for what struck me as noteworthy.
What else is here consists of notes to myself, etc on section for this hair-brained scheme.
Pay no attention to the man typing furiously in someone's basement!
_____________________________
Ok, nothing like a new understanding of old information to make the brain flannel on about things in general, eh?
I recently posted about an episode of "Through The Wormhole" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5563-Science-Channel-quot-Through-The-Wormhole-quot) which dealt with Dark Matter, and such. Among the other dangerous things that happened last Thursday, it got me thinking.
Now folk will say that the whole idea of Dark Matter is still a construct. Designed to make other theories hold water. But there are two points in the video above that, I think, take things beyond that. Those are:
1. The initial observations which led to the notion of the stuff.
2. Successful creation of a detector which has mapped the behavior of what dark matter should be. They have detected some 4, or 6 particles of the stuff.
But never mind all that. Here is what stuck in my mind.
Back in the 60's Era Ruben measured the orbital speed of stars in other galaxies and found that they behave differently than expected. They all rotate at the same speed, rather than progressively slower, the farther they are from center. But it does work if you add in Dark Matter. From working with what this told us, the approximate amount of "non-visible matter" should be about 5 times the visible matter.
Then a guy named Carlos Fenck began working with the math of how the visible universe came to be. He began with a giant, post-big bang gaseous cloud of atoms, and then applied the Newtonian ideas of gravity and let fly! Didn't happen. Given the velocity, the gas never did create the required concentrations of mass+gravity to begin bunching up.
Next he starts adding in "pretend" matter, trying to get the right concentration of mass to make this work. When he reached five times the original amount, voila! Particles began to collect, and eventually became galaxies.
Everyone loves Pluto (the ex-planet one), right? That last bit, and the next one follow the way the planet Pluto was found. They measured the gravitational mass of things they could see, and it proved there must be something there.
Gravity affects light. So another guy, began measuring the gravitational effects of light from identical stars and it generated a map of where Dark Matter 'should be'.
Place that map, over top of where the visible matter is in the same area, and bingo again! They overlap. This supports both Fenck's work and LAST GUYS.
______________________________
(subsequent section on 'expanding universe - to be written much later)
Bill, in this thread: Earth crack a mystery (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6656-Earth-crack-a-mystery&p=58400&viewfull=1#post58400) you spoke of an expanding earth. This could be evidence of what is know at the true nature of an expanding universe via the affects of what is called 'Dark Energy' (no relation to 'dark matter')
¤=[Post Update]=¤
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7505-CERN-scientists-eye-parallel-universe-breakthrough&highlight=CERN