An AirAsia A320 with 162 on board reported missing

[KiwiElf]

Not much info available yet - just breaking on global News channels, An AirAsia (Indonesian) Airbus A320 aircraft with 162 on board has been reported missing on the way from Indonesia to Singapore. Apparently, it requested an unusual flight path change just before radio contact was lost.

Search & Rescue operation is in progress.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/659978/air-asia-flight-bound-for-singapore-missing-report

[Flash]

Wow, not another one! and this time it will not be possible to blame it on Russia.

[cursichella1]

Would you believe, AirAsia is a budget Malaysian airline, of all things...

They were recently in the news for cancelling flights on their new route from Melbourne to Bali:

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/holidays-thrown-into-chaos-after-airasia-cancels-direct-bali-flights-20141227-12eac5.html

Holidaymakers have had travel plans thrown into disarray after budget airline AirAsia X cancelled direct flights from Melbourne to Bali with only days' notice.

The Malaysian budget airline was forced to cancel the flights after it failed to gain approval for the new route, which was due to start on December 26, from Australian and Indonesian aviation authorities.

This is despite the airline advertising and taking bookings for the direct flight as recently as this month.

Passengers received text messages on Christmas Day notifying them that flights from Boxing Day onwards had been cancelled and they would instead be flown to Bali via Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, on a later flight.

[KiwiElf]

Yes, AirAsia (hence the name) includes other Asian affiliates (including Malaysian Airlines), operating from several Asian locations. (This particular one is based in Indonesia). Earlier this year (April) they were severely reprimanded for claiming "Our Pilots will never lose an airplane", in their Inflight magazine - (MH370 disappeared at around that time) - talk about bad Timing!

AirAsia X is their long distance "arm". This was a relatively short flight (no pun intended).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/airasia-forced-to-apologise-over-magazine-claim-that-pilots-will-never-lose-a-plane-9240760.html

[crosby]

keep the updates coming.....thank you so much....
warmest,
crosby

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Wow, not another one! and this time it will not be possible to blame it on Russia.

Why would that not be a possibility Flash?
All information is relevant here, just curious......(not that I do not agree with you)

[amor]

Go to www cheniere.org/books/analysis/history.htm and read about scalar EM waves being used to down flying craft among other uses. Exmouth Tx Australia. scalar experimental station is close to Indonesia, first Flight 370, now this?

[Tesseract]

This is unconfirmed, but the below image shows the reported last known location of the aircraft:


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This website gives a summary of previous A320 accidents including one that evidently involved the plane plunging into the sea:

http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/a320.htm

[cursichella1]

Flight was from Indonesia to Changi, Singapore. According to RT, contact was lost in between Kalimantan and Java

Some news reports are stating that it is an Indonesian airline, but according to RT, it is a "budget Malaysian airline". This below is from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirAsia):

AirAsia Berhad (MYX: 5099) is a Malaysian low-cost airline headquartered near Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. AirAsia group operates scheduled domestic and international flights to 100 destinations spanning 22 countries. Its main hub is klia2 at the Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA). Its affiliate airlines Thai AirAsia, Indonesia AirAsia, Philippines AirAsia, AirAsia Zest and AirAsia India have hubs in Don Mueang International Airport, Soekarno–Hatta International Airport, Ninoy Aquino International Airport and Kempegowda International Airport respectively. While its subsidiary, AirAsia X focusing on long-haul routes. AirAsia's registered office is in Petaling Jaya, Selangor while its head office is at Kuala Lumpur International Airport.



So, a regional carrier like American Eagle is to American Airlines...

[cursichella1]

An interesting tweet from someone called "FlightRadar24":


There were several aircraft nearby the area where signal from #QZ8501 was lost

Map showing nearby aircraft (https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/549059281279262720/photo/1)

(worth a visit...unable to upload pics lately...)

[Tesseract]

RT have published unconfirmed claims wreckage has been found east of Belitung Island:


Airplane wreckage has reportedly been found east of Belitung Island in Indonesia, according to CCTV. The information has not yet been confirmed by Air Asia.


http://rt.com/news/218155-missing-airasia-flight-updates/

[KiwiElf]

Yep, weather wasn't too good when they departed either... would be unusual to cause a crash tho, as it would have been at cruising altitude at that stage (ie somewhere between 35 - 40,000 ft). Flights are often rerouted due to bad weather - especially in the last few years. Nearby Malaysia has just experienced the worst flooding there in decades.

Am just retracing the weather at the time and location - there would have been some pretty massive & turbulent storms near that location, and the tops of the thunderheads would have been above their cruising altitude...

[naste.de.lumina]

QZ8501 flight history
Full flights and codeshare flights list of Indonesia AirAsia

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/qz8501/#5240449

[Tesseract]

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Some proximal lightning strikes reported by WeatherBug (twitter)



Yep, weather wasn't too good when they departed either... would be unusual to cause a crash tho, as it would have been at cruising altitude at that stage (ie somewhere between 35 - 40,000 ft). Flights are often rerouted due to bad weather - especially in the last few years. Nearby Malaysia has just experienced the worst flooding there in decades.

Am just retracing the weather at the time and location - there would have been some pretty massive & turbulent storms near that location, and the tops of the thunderheads would have been above their cruising altitude...

[KiwiElf]

Confirmed... they would have begun experiencing severe storms & lightening approx 20-30 min into the flight (roughly halfway on their known flight track), mostly below and to the East of their flight path, right up to the point where they lost contact. Shortly after that, weather still bad but not so severe.

[Ellisa]

It's odd, but the weather sounds dangerous---- on the other hand I wonder who was aboard. The passenger list for the Malaysian plane that disappeared (forgotten the number!) made for interesting reading and was quietly ignored I felt. There were allegedly DOD personnel aboard. Also the second flight, presumed shot down, had prominent AIDS researchers on board.

I wonder- who will have been on board this time? There are still so many unanswered questions.

[KiwiElf]

Broad update:

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/25865584/airasia-confirms-plane-missing/

AirAsia confirms plane missing
Updated December 28, 2014, 6:44 pm

An AirAsia flight from Indonesia to Singapore has gone missing, the airline has confirmed.

AirAsia Indonesia said in a statement that flight QZ8501 from Surabaya to Singapore lost contact with air traffic control at 07:24hrs this morning.

"At the present time we unfortunately have no further information regarding the status of the passengers and crew members on board, but we will keep all parties informed as more information becomes available," it said.

The aircraft was an Airbus A320-200 with the registration number PK-AXC.

The flight took off from Juanda International Airport in Surabaya at 0535hours, an updated statement from AirAsia said.

There were two pilots, four flight attendants and one engineer on board.

The captain in command had a total of 6100 flying hours and the first officer a total of 2275 flying hours.

There were 155 passengers on board, including 138 adults, 16 children and 1 infant. Also on board were two pilots and five cabin crew.

Nationalities of passengers include 156 people from Indonesia, three people from South Korea, one person each from France, Malaysia and Singapore.

According to Aviation expert Geoffrey Thomas, flights such as QZ8501 must check-in with Air Traffic Control about five or six times during the flight.

AirAsia said in its statement that the aircraft was on the correct flight plan route and was requesting deviation [increase in altitude] due to weather conditions before communication with the aircraft was lost.

The aircraft had undergone its last scheduled maintenance on 16 November 2014, according to the statement.

AirAsia is working with search and rescue operations in a bid to find the plane.

The plane was due to land in Singapore at 8.30am.

The flight distance from Surabaya to Singapore is 1379km. It normally takes 1 hour and 50 minutes.

The flight had been due in Singapore at 8:30am Singapore time. The Singapore airport said on its website the status of the flight was "delayed".

The Australian Embassy in Jakarta and the Australian High Commission in Singapore are making urgent inquiries with local authorities and the airline to determine whether any Australians may have been on Air Asia flight QZ850 from Surabaya to Singapore, a spokesperson for Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) said.

Those concerned about the welfare of their Australian family and friends who were known to be travelling on this flight should contact the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade’s 24 hour Consular Emergency Centre on 1 300 555 135 or +61 2 6261 3305 (if calling from overseas).

The incident comes at the end of a disastrous year for Malaysia's airlines.

National flag carrier Malaysia Airlines lost two aircraft this year.

Its flight MH370 went missing on March 8th on a trip from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 passengers and crew on board.

On July 17, Flight MH17 was shot down over Ukraine, killing all 298 people on board.

AirAsia received backlash this year for publishing an article claiming their planes would "never get lost" after the disappearance of flight MH370 in March.

"Pilot training in AirAsia is continuous and very thorough. Rest assured that your captain is well prepared to ensure your plane will never get lost," the article read.

AirAsia insisted the article was written and published well before the disappearance of flight MH370.

"It truly saddens me that this article was released at such an inopportune moment," AirAsia Executive Chairman Kamarudin Meranun said at the time.

AirAsia has established an Emergency Call Centre that is available for family or friends of those who may have been on board the aircraft. The number is: +622129850801.

The airline will release further information as it becomes available.

AirAsia was formed in 2001 and encompasses Thai AirAsia, AirAsia Malaysia and Indonesia AirAsia.

[KiwiElf]

It's odd, but the weather sounds dangerous---- on the other hand I wonder who was aboard. The passenger list for the Malaysian plane that disappeared (forgotten the number!) made for interesting reading and was quietly ignored I felt. There were allegedly DOD personnel aboard. Also the second flight, presumed shot down, had prominent AIDS researchers on board.

I wonder- who will have been on board this time? There are still so many unanswered questions.

At this stage Ellisa, the uncanny circumstances are similar to the disappearing MH370 (I think that's the one you mean): the plane has effectively and suddenly "disappeared" off radar, without a mayday or distress call. This one does however, show some very large and dangerous storms in the area. Such severe storm cells can reach right up to 65,000 feet, well above the aircraft's maximum altitude (which is around 41,000 ft). The Radar track indicated it was flying at 32,000 feet when the pilot requested an altitude increase. This wouldn't have been enough to get it over the storm cells at the time. Typically, that being the case, the pilots would deviate around the weather if they can't climb over it. This is largely for passenger comfort rather than a storm's ability to catastrophically damage the airplane (airplanes are tested for some pretty harsh treatment at the design stages to the point of destruction). It would have to be a really strong and rare storm which could destroy a modern aircraft like the Airbus A320.

Until the black boxes are found, it's largely speculation at this point. The bad weather is hampering the search and rescue efforts at the time, and the bad weather is extending right up to and beyond Singapore.

[Cidersomerset]

First media reports are echoing bad weather in the area, but early days yet
and planes fly thru or over bad weather all the time , so I hope they can
find the black box's on this plane if it has crashed as it seems.
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Published on 28 Dec 2014


AirAsia Flight QZ 8501 Goes MISSING SURABAYA - SINGAPORE INDONESIA.

AirAsia flight QZ8501 from Indonesia to Singapore missing

The BBC's Karishma Vaswani: "Some Indonesian transport officials
have been saying it requested a different route"
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An AirAsia flight travelling from Indonesia to Singapore has lost contact with
air traffic control with 162 people on board.

Flight QZ8501 lost contact at 07:24 (23:24 GMT), Malaysia-based AirAsia tweeted.

Search and rescue operations are under way.

Malaysia's national carrier Malaysia Airlines has suffered two disasters this
year - flights MH370 and MH17 - but AirAsia has never lost a plane.

Flight MH370 disappeared on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing in March
with 239 passengers and crew, and MH17 was shot down over Ukraine in
July, killing all 298 on board.

The AirAsia flight had been due to arrive in Singapore at 08:30 (00:30GMT).



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28 December 2014 Last updated at 08:30

AirAsia flight QZ8501 from Indonesia to Singapore missing

The BBC's Karishma Vaswani: "Some Indonesian transport
officials have been saying it requested a different route"


An AirAsia airliner flying from Indonesia to Singapore with 162 people
on board has lost contact with air traffic control.

Flight QZ8501, an Airbus plane, went missing at 07:24 (23:24 GMT),
Malaysia-based AirAsia tweeted.

Indonesian military planes are searching an area of the Java Sea.

AirAsia, a budget airline, has never lost a plane, but Malaysia's national
carrier Malaysia Airlines has suffered two this year - flights MH370 and MH17.

The AirAsia plane disappeared about two hours into a three-hour flight.

It left the Indonesian city of Surabaya in eastern Java at 05:20 local time
(21:20 GMT) and was due to arrive in Singapore at 08:30 (00:30 GMT).

The missing jet had requested a "deviation" from the flight path due to
bad weather, the company said.

Indonesia's transport ministry said the pilot had asked permission to climb
to 38,000 ft (11,000m) to avoid thick cloud. No distress call is reported to
have been issued by the crew.

read more.......

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/79955000/png/_79955399_indonesiasurabayasingapore4642812.png


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-30614627

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AirAsia FLIGHT QZ8501 wreckage found off Belitung Island - reports

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ALERT AirAsia Airbus A320 200 Flight QZ8501 Asked For Unusual Rout Before Losing Contact

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[KiwiElf]

Update: (Reverse Chronology - important findings so far in bold type, purple type are my comments)

http://rt.com/news/218155-missing-airasia-flight-updates/

11:42 GMT:

The search for the AirAsia plane has been suspended for the night and will be resumed tomorrow, Indonesian officials say.

11:40 GMT:

AirAsia Indonesia has updated information on the nationality of passengers and crew of the missing plane, adding a UK citizen to the list and confirming a Frenchman was part of the crew. AirAsia estimates there were 162 people on board, despite the transport ministry having said earlier there were 161.

11:10 GMT:

Flight QZ5801 dispatch information has been made public. It shows the plane took off with 8,296 kg of fuel, substantially more than the planned consumption for the flight - 5211 kg. (NOTE: This is the MS Media getting its facts wrong - again!: all aircraft must legally carry a minimum "reserve" of 45 mins additional fuel OR enough fuel to get to a planned diversionary airport over and above what will be used to get to the destination, which may include returning to the point of origin - KE)

10:22 GMT:

Singapore, Malaysia and Australia have offered Indonesia help in the search for missing flight QZ8501. Malaysia is sending vessels and a C130 aircraft while Singapore is also sending a C130, officials said, as cited by Reuters.

10:01 GMT:

No wreckage of flight QZ5801 has been found, an Indonesian Navy official told the BBC. He added weather conditions were poor in the search area.

09:58 GMT:

A British national was on board missing AirAsia flight QZ8501, according to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO).

"We have been informed by the local authorities that one British national was on board. Their next of kin has been informed, and we stand ready to provide consular assistance," an FCO official said.


09:44 GMT:

Malaysia Airlines, which lost two of its Boeing jumbo jets earlier this year, empathizes with AirAsia.

“Our thoughts and prayers are with all family and friends of those on board QZ8501,” Malaysia airlines said on Twitter.

09:30 GMT:

The missing aircraft, an A320-200, was delivered to AirAsia in October 2008 and had since “accumulated approximately 23,000 flight hours during some 13,600 flights,” says an official statement by Airbus. The company has promised to assist in the investigation of the plane’s disappearance.

09:00 GMT:

It’s been more than eight hours since contact was lost with AirAsia flight QZ8501. The plane only had fuel for 4.5 hours.

08:57 GMT:

Indonesian national search and rescue radars haven’t detected signals from the emergency location transmitter, says Sutrisno, the head of Basarnas, the national agency in Jakarta, as cited by Detik.com. The transmitter becomes operational once a plane is struck from outside or falls into the water. Either the plane managed to land smoothly or the transmitter was defective, the official says.

[Debra]

Dutchsinse offers evidence that the plane landed! ????

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[Cristian]

Dutchsinse offers evidence that the plane landed! ????
more like a software that thinks the plane has landed based on the departure time and flight plan?

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

According to Detik.com, a relative of a missing passenger received a text message from an unknown sender, stating that the plane made an emergency landing and all passengers were alive.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/indonesia-verifies-reports-on-airasia-planes-emergency-landing.html

[SilentFeathers]

With no distress or mayday call, this had to be rather quick and catastrophic it seems, they'll probably find the debris field as soon as it gets daylight again over that way.

Interesting that this also involves Malaysian Air AGAIN? Hard to imagine a lightening bolt taking it down, but it could be possible I suppose considering they were flying through bad thunderstorms.....we'll just have to wait and see what the "claim" is this time as usual.

[Sabrina]

http://sgtalk.org/mybb/Thread-AirAsia-CEO-sold-944-800-shares-in-the-group-s-insurance-investment-arm-a-few-day


AirAsia CEO sold 944,800 shares in the group's insurance investment arm a few days before the recent plane crash

http://www.nst.com.my/node/66238?d=1

KUALA LUMPUR: AirAsia group chief executive officer Tan Sri Tony Fernandes sold 944,800 shares in the group’s insurance investment arm Tune Insurance Holdings Bhd. As many as 850,000 shares of the insurer were sold on Monday and 94,800 shares were sold the next day, all at RM1.60 each, according to a filing made to Bursa Malaysia yesterday.

[sdv]

Something questionable happening in this region?

There was another incident regarding an airplane in this region that did not penetrate global awareness because nothing was missing and no one died:

http://avherald.com/h?article=47763054
http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/gauteng/tales-of-terror-on-saa-flight-1.1720985#.VKBko14AKA
http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2014/07/17/the-terror-of-flight-saa-286

Does not the number of incidents in this area of this world in a relatively short period take the phenomena beyond coincidence?

[Dora]

there's this interesting video on youtube... does anybody here reads chinese to translate the link in the video?

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[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Today's news is an absolute heartbreak.

Try to read the graphene laser thread and try to make sense of what could be going on.

We are living in an age of clandestine wholescale war, total war, against innocent people ;

few do see the connections as such, they simply feel fear;
let's pray that the world will hold together for a while longer,
that people will see thru the B.S. and unite against the REAL enemies out there,
not just some label or other but the real perps...


truth does exist --

[Roisin]

An interesting tweet from someone called "FlightRadar24":


There were several aircraft nearby the area where signal from #QZ8501 was lost

Map showing nearby aircraft (https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/549059281279262720/photo/1)

(worth a visit...unable to upload pics lately...)

Here's a screenshot of that image:

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/dec28missingairliner.jpg

[MorningSong]

AirAsia QZ8501: Indonesia plane search resumes

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30620647


http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/live-blog-missing-airasia/1554372.html

[KiwiElf]

Today's news is an absolute heartbreak.

Try to read the graphene laser thread and try to make sense of what could be going on.

We are living in an age of clandestine wholescale war, total war, against innocent people ;

few do see the connections as such, they simply feel fear;
let's pray that the world will hold together for a while longer,
that people will see thru the B.S. and unite against the REAL enemies out there,
not just some label or other but the real perps...


truth does exist --

Can't help but wonder if it is an attack by the Cabal, against Asian countries in general, to disrupt and dessicate their economies, or at the very least, their airlines? How many know that today, 29 Dec, China and Russia have agreed to join forces financially and trade in both Yuan & Roubles (but not US dollars).

[Snookie]

I was thinking along those lines as well. It sounds like a few people had knowledge something was going to happen. Its also interesting that Russia announced it's new military command centre has opened in Moscow. The article makes it clear it would be extremely difficult to hack into their computers as everything was done "in house" so to speak.

Here is a link to the article:

http://rt.com/news/210307-russia-national-defence-center/

Wow...just noticed this paragraph from the article:
The NDCC inherits all those functions, but also has plenty of extra roles as well. In peacetime, an additional task is to monitor all of Russia’s important military assets, from hardware being produced by defense contractors to the state of oil refineries, to weather conditions and their effect on transportation routes.

Makes me wonder if they suspected foul play has been occurring in this area of the world. What is located around these parts someone doesn't want flights going over?

[Verdilac]

there's this interesting video on youtube... does anybody here reads chinese to translate the link in the video?

jIxMgNiqHT8

While most on youtube seem to be making videos that say nothing much about this sad subject to get views , including Dahboo7's critics. Dahboo gives us a gem of something that he has found and What Dora has found and posted.

It cant be glossed over, particularly after the mention of Mh370 being hijacked and then shot down, as lots have been thinking this and not saying so, never mind there is no physical proof to back up there claim, the point is they may be just to scared to say anything, well one of them isn't by the sounds of what's been written and good on them, there a warrior.

My heart goes out to everyone involved in this very sad situation , they will be in my thoughts and I hope they find they find the strength to cope.

[syrwong]

there's this interesting video on youtube... does anybody here reads chinese to translate the link in the video?

jIxMgNiqHT8

I can confirm such a thread dated Dec 15 does exist on the TianYa Forum. The translation in the video is roughly correct. This author posts very frequently, dozens a day, but after the inital few posts on the thread in the first two days, he has not posted again on that thread. Still lots elsewhere.

The Asia Airline was also involved in an incident on flight Bankok to NanJing on the 13th this month, when a Chinese couple argued with a hostess and the woman passenger poured hot water to her. The woman then went beserk and wanted to jump off. Though it was half way , the captain decided to fly back to Bangkok and had the passengers arrested. Very strange. Now it is joked that the woman probably saved the whole plane.

[Verdilac]

I can 2nd Syrwong, the translation is roughly correct, if there was any doubt.

[waves]

With no distress or mayday call, this had to be rather quick and catastrophic it seems.......
The two biggest question marks to me are that there is plenty of time to radio notice of going down during a 25,000 foot descent so why not?.. and once again, there's not a chance of no black box signal and no report is highlighting this fact. I'd bet that the truth is 'other' and has nothing to do with any of the mainstream news data we are just spinning wheels debating.

[KiwiElf]

There have been many airplane crashes in the past which did not send out distress calls; the first rule of airmanship (and should apply to driver's too!), is FLY THE AIRPLANE, no matter what the distractions, then communicate. Rarely does just one situation bring down a plane, it's usually a combination of several factors.

Pure speculation here, but if extreme weather is the cause, it could have been a combination of severe icing and hail, stalling the aircraft due to aerodynamic deformation and excess weight: the plane would go down, impacting what's below it (terrain or ocean), in less than 3 minutes, meanwhile both pilots struggling to control the airplane with both hands and no time to make a call. A bomb or explosion would end everything very quickly (shudder). None the less, either of these scenarios would produce wreckage.

As for the ELT (Emergency Location Transmitter), not alerting, this is not uncommon. Sometimes, they don't work. An electrical device which is not used regularly (or at all), will often malfunction due to corrosion, lack of use etc. (Leave a less than new car outside for a few weeks and don't use it - sooner or later, some of the electrics will pack up).

What I'm finding unusual about this is it has literally "vanished" from radar very suddenly. As if someone just turned off a switch (... like MH370). The transponder on board, which sends/transmits data such as speed, location, direction, altitude and rates of descent/ascent along with the airline /flight ID, CAN be turned off inside the cockpit (or interrupted by some catastrophic incident), and the plane will effectively disappear off the ground radar.

A hard radar signal though, picks up an "object(s)" and originates from the ground. If the plane came apart, you would see lots of smaller objects falling. I'm surprised that isn't really being addressed (so far)?

[Rocky_Shorz]

amazing coincidence right after this was mentioned by Sorcha, an aircraft disappeared...

"China this week aligned itself with Russia against the Obama regime and its allies in an economic war many experts are predicting could soon erupt into total global warfare... link (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1827.htm)"

[Sophocles]

From AFP twitter (Agence France-Presse): #BREAKING AirAsia Flight #QZ8501 likely 'at bottom of sea': Indonesia search chief.

Link: https://twitter.com/AFP/status/549390885197078528

[Rocky_Shorz]

a power engineer, from a company that does nuke plant design and construction...

Miniature Robots, nuclear powered and armed...

laser weaponry repowered by nukes, dang anyone heard how blue beam is coming?

the official story already has witnesses

"In the aftermath of the Air Asia flight QZ8501 with 162 people on board going missing, a loud bang was reportedly heard by fishermen over Belitung Island at around 07:00 to 08:00 in the morning, Indonesian news website Bangka Tribun News reported.

"There are fishermen who heard the explosion, but not yet certain. Its location is near the island of Jackfruit," a member of Tagana Beltm told the website.

The flight was reportedly over the Java Sea between Kalimantan and Java islands when it lost contact.

However, the fishermen could not ascertain the source of the explosion and assumed that the bang came from within a five-mile radius between Coconut Island and Bird Bath Beach, Damar.

Belitung is an island on the east coast of Sumatra, Indonesia, in the Java Sea.

The fishermen who were at sea engaged in their regular fishing activities near Coconut Island also claim that the explosion was quite powerful.

The Airbus 320 aircraft, from the Indonesian city of Surabaya was scheduled to land in Singapore at 8:30am Singapore time... link (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/air-asia-qz8501-loud-bang-heard-by-fishermen-over-belitung-island-1481094)

[seehas]

Two airplanes vanish from the surface in the same year, and what hits me most about this one is how the media is reporting they claim its allready on the bottom of the ocean, yeah sure that just stinks.

Is it possible to get the passenger list somewhere?


crazy times...

[Dora]

here it is..

[ParakeetMGP]

(?) I heard of this News yesterday and waiting 24 Hours to think they should find an airliner by now (?) I think it is "Ridiculous" they can not find any kind of downed "Airliner" in 24 Hours. I get very "Suspicious" of this kind of News Nonsense! Something just isn't right by this "Time" Evasive News by now isn't giving me "the honesty there is in News"

[HolographicWonder]

Just a side note.. Tony Fernandes, owner of AirAsia, is a member of the international advisory board of the global march to jerusalem.. Its maybe nothing, but always a heads up, with anything involving Israel, Palestine and the Zionist Agenda...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Fernandes

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1203/S00527/world-leaders-unite-for-global-march-to-jerusalem.htm

[MorningSong]

hmmm... did anyone look that up?


The Global March to Jerusalem (GMJ) is a groundbreaking new initiative that organises non-violent civil resistance in the form of annual marches towards Jerusalem, or the nearst possible point in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

The GMJ is comprised of a diverse coalition of Palestinian, Arab and international activists who are united in the struggle to liberate the holy city of Jerusalem (the city of Peace) from the illegal Zionist occupation.

The peaceful marchers demand freedom for Jerusalem and its people. Our aim is to end the Zionist policies of apartheid, ethnic cleansing and Judaisation, which all harm the people, land and sanctity of Jerusalem. Judaisation has involved the unrestricted expansion and funding of illegal Israeli settlements, the continued dispossession and demolition of Palestinian property, and the construction of a Separation Wall surrounding the city, all of which have changed the demographics of the holy city from a Palestinian to a Jewish majority.

Global participation in the march confirms to the world that these policies and practices of the racist state of Israel against Jerusalem and its people are a crime not only against Palestinians but against all humanity.

The march unites the efforts of Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, Christians, Jews, and all citizens of conscience in the world to put an end to Israel’s disregard for international law through the continuing occupation of Jerusalem and the rest of Palestinian land.....

http://www.gm2j.com/v2/en/about-us/

[KiwiElf]

This is sadly shaping up to be a repeat of MH370 (and therefore I suspect a Cabal-induced "incident"). Only now are the media saying the aircraft was recorded as flying too slowly after it requested an altitude increase shortly before it disappeared, implying the aircraft stalled and fell into the sea (in which case where's the wreckage and bodies???). We are being fed little "factoids" (made up as they go????) which should have been available from the outset.

Experts say QZ8501 was flying too slow
Danielle McGrane, AAP Updated December 29, 2014, 11:41 am

(videos at link)

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/25868207/experts-say-qz8501-was-flying-too-slow/

The missing AirAsia aircraft was likely flying too slow when it encountered bad weather conditions, according to aviation experts.

Flight QZ8501, an Airbus A320, went missing on Sunday morning while travelling from Indonesia to Singapore.

As the search operation resumes on Monday morning, speculation on what may have happened points to weather, speed and an older radar system.

Geoffrey Thomas, aviation expert and editor of airlineratings.com, spoke to several check captains and believes the pilot of the QZ8501 encountered difficult weather conditions but flew too slow in his efforts to avoid it.

"Pilots believe that the crew, in trying to avoid the thunderstorm by climbing, somehow have found themselves flying too slow and thus induced an aerodynamic stall similar to the circumstances of the loss of Air France AF447 to crash in 2009," Mr Thomas told AAP.


The Air France AF447 crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009 while en route from Rio De Janeiro to Paris.

"The QZ8501 was flying too slow, about 100 knots which is about 160 km/h too slow. At that altitude that's exceedingly dangerous," Mr Thomas said.

"I have a radar plot which shows him at 36,000 feet and climbing at a speed of 353 knots (ground speed), which is approximately 100 knots too slow ... if the radar return is correct, he appears to be going too slow for the altitude he is flying at."

Mr Thomas said this should not happen in an A320, a sophisticated aircraft, so it appears as though it's related to extreme weather conditions.

"He got caught in a massive updraft or something like that. Something's gone terribly wrong," he said.

"Essentially the plane is flying too slow to the altitude and the thin air, and the wings won't support it at that speed and you get a stall, an aerodynamic stall."


The A320, while sophisticated, is not equipped with the latest radar, Mr Thomas said.

The radar used by the A320 can sometimes have problems in thunderstorms and the pilot may have been deceived by the severity of these particular ones.

The latest technology radars, which were pioneered by Qantas in 2002, can give a more complete and accurate reading of a thunderstorm, but they haven't been certified for the A320 until next year.

"If you don't have what's called a multi-skilled radar you have to tilt the radar yourself manually, you have to look down to the base of the thunderstorm to see what the intensity of the moisture and the rain is, then you make a judgment of how bad it is. It's manual, so it's possible to make a mistake, it has happened," Mr Thomas said.

[KiwiElf]

Extract from the latest Ben Fulford Report

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78495-Benjamin-Fulford-30-December-2014-Cabal-suffers-huge-defeats-in-2014&p=917447#post917447


Obama spent last Saturday playing golf in Hawaii with Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak. Apparently Razak failed to please Obama because while he was visiting the US, Malaysia was hit with severe floods and, as soon as he returned home, a third Malaysia airliner vanished.

Now e-mails are being sent to this writer claiming the third vanished plane will be used for a nuclear terror attack in the Ukraine.

[HolographicWonder]

A mysterious user of the Chinese social media network Weibo apparently predicted the disappearance on AirAsia Flight QZ8501 almost two weeks before the plane went missing, urgently warning Chinese nationals not to use the airliner in dozens of posts.

The report, carried by the Epoch Times, relates the story of how the individual “repeatedly warned people away from Malaysia Airlines (and) AirAsia.”

“Do not become another victim of MH370,” warned the individual in a December 15 post, adding that AirAsia was about to be targeted by “powerful” forces which he referred to as the “black hand”.

“This is a life-saving message to Europe or the US tour, do not take AirAsia (or) Malaysia Airlines airliner,” states the translated version of one of the posts.

The user went on to assert that the “black hand” was out to “ruin AirAsia,” Malaysia’s second largest airline company. Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 went missing in March earlier this year, while MH17 was shot down over Ukraine in July.

The individual repeated his warning in subsequent posts made on the 16th and 17th of December, writing, “This is a major event in human life, we have to pay attention,” adding, “far from AirAsia, Malaysia Airlines away, cherish life.”

Speculation on the Reddit forum by Chinese users suggests that the posts may have originally been made on the 15th but then later edited with the prediction about AirAsia added after the disappearance of Flight QZ8501.

The user made a total of 39 posts on the subject which were viewed by 650,000 people. After flight QZ8501 disappeared, users returned to the threads to express amazement at the individual’s prediction, speculating that he was an “insider” of some kind or connected to the Malaysian or Chinese government.

Investigators are still hunting for the wreckage of the AirAsia flight, which had 162 passengers on board when it disappeared during a flight from Surabaya to Singapore, with the head of Indonesia’s search-and-rescue team asserting that the plane is likely to be at the bottom of the sea.

No Chinese nationals were on Flight QZ8501 when it went missing.

A separate report carried by Russian news outlet Sputnik claims that “a relative of a missing passenger received a text message from an unknown sender, stating that the plane made an emergency landing and all passengers were alive,” although this was never subsequently confirmed.

Unidentified objects discovered in the Java Sea by an Australian AP-3C Orion patrol aircraft are not likely to be wreckage from the AirAsia Flight.

http://www.infowars.com/did-mysterious-chinese-blogger-predict-disappearance-of-airasia-flight/

[EWO]

About a week ago I had this bad feeling that something bad would happen on 1227. I saw this number in several places all at once, one after another.
I didnt know what would happen, just a bad feeling. Now we have this plane gone missing on Dec 27.

Ive also been seeing 333 for past few months but then few weeks ago it stopped and 222 started, almost like its a slow countdown to something. Now I am seeing a transition from 222 to 111. I guess Ill find out when 111 stops.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Extract from the latest Ben Fulford Report

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78495-Benjamin-Fulford-30-December-2014-Cabal-suffers-huge-defeats-in-2014&p=917447#post917447


Obama spent last Saturday playing golf in Hawaii with Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak. Apparently Razak failed to please Obama because while he was visiting the US, Malaysia was hit with severe floods and, as soon as he returned home, a third Malaysia airliner vanished.

Now e-mails are being sent to this writer claiming the third vanished plane will be used for a nuclear terror attack in the Ukraine.

the British National on board is a power Engineer and his company works in nuclear technology...

add these to a miniaturization technology and you have nuclear drone robots with laser weapons repowered by nukes, and imagine the self destruct damage one could cause...

launch a million mini robots with AI hive intelligence to destroy any nations military in a single wave...

I doubt Ukraine is Rothschild's target...

if China made a financial move Rothschild could launch a private robot army against them...

US wouldn't have to kidnap planes if they wanted these engineers, they'd just offer them a salary they couldn't refuse and put them to work...

this is private under the radar operations of Dr Evil...

[Calz]

Catherine Austin Fitts is someone I *really* trust.

She has long suggested (going back into the 90's) the big money was moving to China from the USA.

... read ... NWO plan going forward ...


There has been little evidence of anything for the USA other than internal controlled demolition for a very long time ... we are now watching it unfold ...


... yet this is still a sideshow for the bigger picture ...


imho

[Rocky_Shorz]

A separate report carried by Russian news outlet Sputnik claims that “a relative of a missing passenger received a text message from an unknown sender, stating that the plane made an emergency landing and all passengers were alive,” although this was never subsequently confirmed.

http://www.infowars.com/did-mysterious-chinese-blogger-predict-disappearance-of-airasia-flight/

well cell towers could pinpoint that location, us warships could triangulate signals...

like I said they needed this Nuclear Engineer for whatever they are planning...

maybe North Korea needed help with the attack their nuclear facilities are under...

[KiwiElf]

there's this interesting video on youtube... does anybody here reads chinese to translate the link in the video?

jIxMgNiqHT8

Hopefully Post #47 above (thank you HolographicWonder) - and this thread from ExomatrixTV answers your question, Dora. Very worthwhile to look at this. Hope the original poster (at YT) is OK! Thanks syrwong for the translation! :)

Someone in China warned of a AirAisa disaster 13 days before QZ8501 disappeared
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78492-Someone-in-China-warned-of-a-AirAisa-disaster-13-days-before-QZ8501-disappeared

EDIT: Update: MSM now reporting smoke being seen coming from a nearby Island in the Java Sea - is being investigated...

[jerry]

AirAsia CEO Tony Fernandes dumped 944,800 shares in Tune Insurance Holdings Bhd, the organization that provides travel insurance for AirAsia passengers, just days before the disappearance of Flight QZ8501

http://www.infowars.com/airasia-ceo-dumped-shares-days-before-flight-disappeared/

[Tesseract]

There has been a report that debris that looks like a 'plane door and emergency slide' has been sighted, and in addition to that there are a couple of other debris finds. Hopefully there will soon be confirmation that this is indeed the wreckage.

I have also read that radar did in fact detect the plane begin a rapid altitude descent shortly after the last transmission, but I don't have a credible link to that at the current moment. If true, this clears up one of the things that was puzzling about this case.

Link:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-30/indonesia-asks-for-us-help-to-find-airasia-qz8501-as-search-res/5992600

[Rocky_Shorz]

they are recovering bodies from the flight, no survivors found...

[Dora]

may they rest in peace.. :(

¤=[Post Update]=¤

only 10 km away from where the plane was last seen on the radar.. and still took them 2 days to find it.did they not search that area in the first day?

[KiwiElf]

Let's see what the flight recorders reveal... if they find them.

In light of the YouTube Chinese prediction in advance (above), and other "interesting" info, I'm not yet convinced that this was a "pure accident". Am hoping someone can find a YouTube video of the following complete interview (if it exists!):

CNN's version of events played just about half an hour ago (approx 10:00 pm NZ time), at that stage claiming "95% sure it's the missing AirAsia flight", and that they "think" there may be bodies, wreckage, and shadow of the fuselage, but showed us nothing like this or revealing anything recognizable (or claiming that they had actually recovered bodies, just that they thought they could see bodies. As I write this, they may well have done so, and perhaps our Kiwi version is delayed)...

Now this is the "interesting bit: it followed with video excerpts from an earlier live interview on FOX, approx 3 hours ago... That interview contained two women who had lost their partners on MH370: the FOX reporter actually started one woman's interview with a very directed and loaded lead-in question along the lines of "you don't really think it was a [coverup - not the word actually used but implied], do you?" Well she appeared to be genuinely distraught, answered very frankly, re-accounting what this latest incident has done to her: the daily agony, stress and grief she is going through, but also the lies, corruption, avoidance of answers, the runaround story of the time right up to now, the lack of information, etc.

I thought someone at FOX would pull the plug on her right there and then!

But she kept going, concluding that she believed all three recent air disasters (MH370, MH17 and this latest one) were indeed connected, a coverup and a lie, and for highly sinister reasons etc,. Wooo! Thought the FOX reporter was going to faint or, they'd cut her off.

On the recent CNN version however, this bit was conveniently left out, completely changing the context.

As far as CNN are concerned, "this is the way it happened" is already being carefully played out and repeated in advance, ad-nauseum, before we actually know what happened (whatever that will be).

[Rocky_Shorz]

by the sound of it searchers found them and thought they were alive, so they most likely were alive for a while, water landing and some made it out through the door...

too bad they didn't respond quicker

[KiwiElf]

Yeah, but the "wreckage" is a big distance away from the last known position, and almost back in the opposite direction they were supposedly heading

[MorningSong]

Following this here:


AirAsia relatives distraught as bodies found in sea

More than 40 bodies have been recovered from the Java Sea as crews work at a site off the coast of Kalimantan where the plane went down on Sunday after departing from Surabaya en route to Singapore.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/blob/1558244/1419931233000/qz8501-debris-found-2-data.png


JAKARTA: An Indonesian warship recovered more than 40 bodies from the sea Tuesday (Dec 30) in the search for debris and passengers from AirAsia Flight QZ8501, a navy spokesman told AFP.

"Based on the navy radio, it has been reported that the warship Bung Tomo has retrieved 40 bodies and the number is growing. They are very busy now," Manahan Simorangkir said.

Relatives of passengers on AirAsia flight QZ8501 began crying hysterically and fainting as Indonesian television footage showed a body floating in the sea during aerial searches for the plane.

At least two distraught family members were carried out on stretchers from the room where they had been waiting for news in Surabaya, Indonesia's second largest city - the take-off point for the aircraft that disappeared during a storm on Sunday. "My heart will be totally crushed if it's true. I will lose a son," 60-year-old Dwijanto, who like many Indonesians goes by one name, told AFP.

More than 48 hours after the Airbus A320-200 lost contact carrying 162 people to Singapore, aerial searchers spotted items in the Java Sea which officials said were from the plane. Soon after they began recovering dozens of bodies.

As the first body was shown floating in the water on rolling television news, relatives burst into tears and hugged one another amid cries for more ambulances, said an AFP reporter at the scene.

One man covered his face and had to be held up by two other men before he fainted and was taken out by stretcher. Another woman was screaming and crying as she was supported by the mayor of Surabaya.

A female AirAsia officer shouted at the television media for showing footage of a floating body, while about 200 journalists were barred from the room holding the families, the windows of which were boarded up. "Is it possible for you not to show a picture of the dead? Please do not show a picture of a dead body," said the officer. "That's crazy."

Munif, a 50-year-old whose younger brother Siti Rahmah was on the plane, said he had been trying hard to keep the other families calm.

"But the atmosphere was very different after the footage of a dead body was shown. Families became hysterical," he said. "Because everyone was wailing and yelling, I couldn't deal with it so I decided to leave the room."

In Malaysia, families of those on the MH370 flight that went missing without a trace in March hoped those lost in the latest tragedy could at least have a proper burial. "The families can now have a closure and have a peace of mind which I am dying for," said Selamat Omar, whose 29-year-old son was on the Malaysia Airlines plane.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/airasia-relatives/1558288.html

Updates at: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/live-blog-missing-airasia/1557034.html

Green dot is where the suspected debris has been found:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6GETn6CAAAjsGq.jpg:large

[KiwiElf]

Thanks Rocky & MorningSong - looks like we're getting the CNN info about an hour after you folks. :)

[Agape]

It's the 4th plane this year as far as I'm aware of .. at least these were found , the MA370 is still probably somewhere down there .
I think they had to divert from the course because the weather was real bad .

It's sad . Prayers for all the victims and their families :pray:

[jackovesk]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3eThBKpkSco/maxresdefault.jpg

:attention: Busted: AirAsia CEO Tony Fernandes dumped 944,800 shares 1 Day Before Flight Disappeared (Video)

Monday, December 29, 2014 13:08

AirAsia CEO Tony Fernandes dumped 944,800 shares in Tune Insurance Holdings Bhd, the organization that provides travel insurance for AirAsia passengers, just days before the disappearance of Flight QZ8501.

The day the airline disappeared, the stock fell by 7%, do you believe in coincidences?

As you will see in the video below Dabooh7 confirms these actions. This is no different than on the days prior to 911, when Airline stock options, Banks and insurance companies saw very unusual trading action before the planes flew into the World Trade Center (Twin Towers).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eThBKpkSco&feature=player_embedded
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/12/busted-airasia-ceo-tony-fernandes-dumped-944800-shares-1-day-before-flight-disappeared-video-3084488.html

[SilentFeathers]

Another strange "coincidence" is that Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razzak was vacationing with Obama in Hawaii as this event took place.



Both vacationing this week in Oahu, Hawaii, Obama and Najib teed off on Wednesday on a cloudy but balmy afternoon at a Marine Corps base, not far from where Obama is renting a home for his two-week stay.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2888523/Malaysian-PM-fire-playing-golf-Barack-Obama-severe-flooding-forces-160-000-people-flee-homes.html#ixzz3NOUYIqqd

[ParakeetMGP]

This looks "Suspicious" to me. I would think Pilots would have a better way to avoid a storm (?) then just afterwords this story of another "AirAsia" running off the runway in the Philippines ... http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-airasia-plane/airasia-passenger-jet-overshoots-runway-philippine-city-kalibo-n276646 I went to NBC's site on it. And why so long to find this plane in the waters by now? (I would think they should have emergency beacons on airliners when they go down to be tracked right away (?) ( After 70 years of aviation technology by now (?) ... ) ... ) (Is there something going on to "Dense" our "Consciousnesses" in "Life"?) Like something could "Sedate" our "Minds" from "Functioning" at their best (?) ... ) I would like to hear what happen sometime after the investigation, if they can come up with anything that will make "Sense" about it.

[Dora]

The flight also took off 2 hours EARLIER than the scheduled departure time. I worked in the aviation industry for 10 years, never had that happen. It is not common!

[jerry]

out with the old in with the new (conspiracy theories ) Asia missing airline found

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30634081

[Rocky_Shorz]

Yeah, but the "wreckage" is a big distance away from the last known position, and almost back in the opposite direction they were supposedly heading

8 meter per second currents would carry everything a long ways...

the currents in this area are driven by monsoon weather patterns and they flew into a storm... so I'm sure it is hard to predict...

Solution is simple: with our incredible missile knowledge that can knock a gnat off a monkeys butt from 5000 miles away, I'm sure they must have a cheap way to launch one into an area a plane is missing that would explode outward into thousands of tiny floater beacons on GPS to get exact direction immediate searches should be done...

each of them, could have a call home feature so a survivor could grab it and send a rescue signal...

but no, let's just keep worrying about saving those monkeys...

oh God of Warmongers please smack them upside the head with a frozen fish to get an idea for a quick humanitarian need, bean counters will be happy it's cheaper than maintenance on 50 year old planes...

[KiwiElf]

Yeah I agree - the initial "map" we were shown (between loss of contact versus actual crash debris) was a bit exaggerated (more like 40 miles distant instead of just 6 miles). Still a lot of unanswered questions with this one me thinks.

[SilentFeathers]

Interesting to say the least.... (from Dahboo7)

CKVoL0HOBUg

ADDED:

another interesting tidbit for numerology purposes....

MH17, MH370, and QZ8501

17+370+8501=8888

[jackovesk]

Interesting to say the least.... (from Dahboo7)

CKVoL0HOBUg

ADDED:

another interesting tidbit for numerology purposes....

MH17, MH370, and QZ8501

17+370+8501=8888

8888 = ((Beginnings & Endings))...

The Question is...



For Whom...:confused:

[syrwong]

There has been a report that debris that looks like a 'plane door and emergency slide' has been sighted, and in addition to that there are a couple of other debris finds. Hopefully there will soon be confirmation that this is indeed the wreckage.

I have also read that radar did in fact detect the plane begin a rapid altitude descent shortly after the last transmission, but I don't have a credible link to that at the current moment. If true, this clears up one of the things that was puzzling about this case.

Link:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-30/indonesia-asks-for-us-help-to-find-airasia-qz8501-as-search-res/5992600

The aircraft made an unbelievable steep ascend before disappearing on the radar, report by Scientific America.

"So far, the numbers taken by the radar are unbelievably high. This rate of climb is very high, too high. It appears to be beyond the performance envelope of the aircraft," he said.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/data-point-to-unbelievably-steep-climb-before-airasia-crash/

This conflicts with the report that the plane made rapid descend before disappearing. I think reports were too scanty. I did not see more than a few seconds of search video on the news. As with MH370, where is the black box? Why did the black boxes function so poorly? Wouldn't an amateur beacon signal from a shipwreck survivor be immediately detected and rescue arriving within short time?

[KiwiElf]

First, a MSM update which perhaps raises more questions than answers. Notably, some of the passengers have been found still fastened to their seats, and Veteran's Today's take on it follows, citing at one point, a 10,000+ fpm (feet per minute) ascent before losing contact. This unprecedented sudden climb should have been known immediately after the plane was declared missing. Like MH-370, I find it strange that only now is this information being released. (An airliners usual climb rate would be possibly 2,500 - 3,000 fpm climb after takeoff, reducing to 1,000 - 1,800 fpm at higher altitudes.

This "updraft" is both severe and almost unheard of. If the aircraft then stalled (quite likely), a tremendously high descent rate is not unheard of... (In April last year, I detailed the mysterious crash of 2-Degrees CEO's Beechcraft Baron, a small 6-seat twin-engine aircraft which literally fell 18,000 feet in less than 3 minutes, crashing into the sea - final air crash report still pending.) - KE

Searchers hopeful in AirAsia search
By Adek Berry, AFP Updated January 2, 2015, 10:06 pm

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/25890177/weather-impedes-hunt-for-airasia-plane/

Indonesian recovery teams have narrowed down the search area for AirAsia Flight 8501, hopeful they are closing in on the plane's crash site.

A total of 16 bodies and more debris have been recovered from the sea.

French and Singaporean investigators with equipment for detecting the signal from the plane's black boxes are set to join the hunt for the Airbus A320-200, which disappeared from radar during a storm Sunday en route from Indonesia's second city of Surabaya to Singapore.

The plane crashed in the shallow waters of the Java Sea off Borneo but rough weather and high seas have hampered the search for the fuselage and the bodies of the 162 passengers and crew.

Search and rescue agency chief Bambang Soelistyo said Friday's search was focused on an area of 1,575 nautical square miles, with 29 ships and 17 aircraft engaged in the operation.

"There are two main tasks in this priority sector: First, to locate the biggest part of the plane's body.

"The second task is to find the position of the black boxes, or flight recorders, which will be carried out by the KNKT (National Transport Safety committee) which start working today," he told a press conference.

"Divers are already on standby at the navy ship Banda Aceh to dive on that priority area to locate the body of the plane," he said.

"I hope we'll get a significant result today."

Another search official, S.B. Supriyadi, said the bodies and debris recovered so far had been found within a relatively small area, which indicated the fuselage was likely nearby.

"We found parts of the plane which could be part of the wing or the plane's interior," he said on local television channel MetroTV, displaying a white wooden structure about 1.5 by 1 metres with part of a corrugated hose attached.

Former transport minister Jusman Syafii Djamal said it appeared to be part of a wing flap.

Supriyadi told MetroTV that they had also detected a metal structure but it proved to be a false lead, possibly a sunken ship.

There are dozens of shipwrecks in the Java Sea, both modern and from World War II when the area was the scene of a major naval battle between the Allies and the invading Japanese.

Supriyadi said weather had improved to allow the use of helicopters as well as ships in the search.

"Besides the aerial search, we'll concentrate on searching for the fuselage using sonar detectors," he said.

"Hopefully we'll be able to locate it so that the victims will be immediately retrieved and brought to their families."

Relatives held the first funeral for an AirAsia victim Thursday afternoon after her body was handed over to her family in Surabaya.

Police said she was identified as Hayati Lutfiah Hami from fingerprints and a surgery scar, plus an ID and a bracelet.

A crisis centre for identifying the victims has been set up at a police hospital in Surabaya with facilities to store 150 bodies.

Police said they would be using fingerprints, dental records and DNA to identify victims. Visual identification is likely to become difficult the longer the bodies remain in the tropical sea.

The plane is believed to be in relatively shallow water of around 25-32 metres.

Before take off, the pilot had asked for permission to fly at a higher altitude to avoid a storm. But his request was not approved due to other planes above him on the popular route, according to AirNav, Indonesia's air traffic control.

In his last communication, Captain Iriyanto, an experienced former air force pilot, said he wanted to change course to avoid the menacing storm system.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________ ______
Air Asia jet “thrust down by giant hand” …of Zionism?

Posted by Kevin Barrett on January 2, 2015

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/02/air-asia/

Malaysian airliners are falling as if thrust by a giant hand

"Fasten your seat belts, Zionist turbulence ahead"

Jim Fetzer and I covered “Malaysian tribunal finds Israel guilty of genocide, three Malaysian planes fall from the sky” during our “Biggest False Flag Stories of 2014″ wrap-up on False Flag Weekly News:

Malaysia is a nation of moderate size. It is the sixty-eighth largest country in geographical area and ranks forty-fourth in population.

What are the odds that three of its passenger airliners would fall out of the sky – all under mysterious, even bizarre circumstances – in one year?

If you don’t see anything suspicious in what happened to Malaysian Flight 370, Malaysian Flight 17, and Air Asia QZ8501 in 2014, you must be a coincidence theorist. Such people, psychologists are discovering, have serious issues engaging with reality. (For details, read my latest Press TV article “Are People Who Hate Conspiracy Theories Crazy?“)

MH370, you recall, flat-out disappeared without a trace last March. Such things are simply not possible given today’s satellite surveillance systems. Yet the corporate media has just let it go, instead of calling the official liars on their lies.

MH17 was shot down on 7/17 – the sort of numerological signature some people attribute to illuminati psychopaths, but let’s not get into that. The MH17 shootdown appears to have been a false-flag operation by the Ukrainian military, whose bosses are Zionist billionaires. The obvious motive was to demonize Putin – or possibly even assassinate him. As in the case of MH370, big media has parroted Western government lies about the event.

Now Air Asia QZ8501 has supposedly “crashed due to bad weather.” Unlike the Sen. Paul Wellstone plane crash, where the controlled corporate media invented a lie about bad weather when in fact the weather was fine, the Air Asia crash actually did happen in proximity to a storm.

But what are the odds that, of all of the world’s airliners, another MALAYSIAN one would be the only one allegedly brought down by a storm? Bad weather, by itself, virtually never causes large airliner crashes.

And this storm, we are told, did things that storms have never before been known to do. According to the Daily Mail’s story Stricken AirAsia plane soared ‘as fast as a fighter jet’ and then dropped almost vertically into Java Sea as if being thrust down by a giant hand, crash experts revealed today:

“The plane behaved in ways ‘bordering on the edge of logic, ’ Indonesian aviation analyst Gerry Soejatman said after examining figures leaked from the official air crash investigation team.”

According to Indonesian aviation sources, Air Asia QZ8501 climbed at a rate of up to 9,000 feet per minute, then descended virtually straight down with bursts up to 24,000 feet per minute before slamming into the ocean.

Meanwhile another Indonesian expert tells us that the plane managed a soft “emergency landing”!

“Mr Sudibyo said that emergency locator transmitters on board the aircraft would be set to go off after automatically after a heavy impact. Because these is no evidence these devices triggered, he claims, the pane (sic) must have landed safely.”

Let me get this straight: The plane soared upward at fighter jet speed, then turned straight downward and plunged vertically into the ocean…somehow managing a soft vertical landing! As the pointy-eared logician Mr. Spock used to say, this does not compute.

As I write this, those of us without access to inside information have no way of knowing what really happened to Air Asia QZ8501. But we are justified in wondering whether the three Malaysian airliners annihilated under suspicious circumstances in 2014 were thrust down by the the giant hand of Zionism.

In late 2013, the Kuala Lumpur Tribunal, located in the capital of Malaysia, found Israel guilty of genocide. A few months later, one Malaysian airliner mysteriously fell out of the sky. A few months after that, a second one followed. And a few more months later, a third.

Israel has a track record of not getting mad, but getting even. In summer 2011, the Norwegian AUF (the Labor Party’s youth movement) was poised to have Norway’s government impose a complete unilateral economic embargo on Israel. This would have been an even bigger anti-Zionist breakthrough than the Kuala Lumpur Tribunal’s genocide prosecution of Israel in November 2013.

Norway’s anti-Israel embargo never materialized. The project was pre-empted when the entire leadership of the AUF was slaughtered, allegedly by lone Zionist nut Anders Breivik.

Zionist-controlled Wikipedia opens its “2011 Norway attacks” entry as follows:

“The 2011 Norway attacks were two sequential lone wolf terrorist attacks against the government, the civilian population, and a Workers’ Youth League (AUF)-run summer camp in the Oslo region on 22 July 2011, claiming a total of 77 lives.”

All those elevens, like those in 9/11, 11/22, and so on, are probably just a coincidence.

That Norway massacre of 11/22/11 that claimed 77 lives has been definitively pinned on Israel.

See: Norway Stood, Israel Murdered their Kids

Are Malaysians – like Norwegians – being punished for the crime of seeking justice for the Palestinians? Are the Zionist thugs sending a message: “This is what happens to any country that dares challenge us?”

Assuming this to be the case, isn’t it long past time that all nations victimized by Zionist terrorism…including the USA, which lost 34 sailors in Israel’s deliberate attack on the USS Liberty, and nearly 3,000 people in Israel’s equally deliberate attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon…rise up and put the Zionist entity out of business?

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[Sophocles]

PANGKALAN BUN (REUTERS) - Indonesia search and rescue teams hunting for the wreck of an AirAsia passenger jet have detected pings in their efforts to find the black box recorders, Santoso Sayogo, an investigator at the National Transportation Safety Committee, told Reuters on Friday.

Link: http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asia/south-east-asia/story/airasia-flight-qz8501-indonesia-investigator-says-pings-detected-sea

[KiwiElf]

Indonesia divers find black box of AirAsia plane: ministry
AFP Updated January 12, 2015, 2:55 am

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/25960346/indonesia-divers-find-black-box-of-airasia-plane-ministry/

Indonesian divers have found the crucial black box flight recorders of the AirAsia plane that crashed in the Java Sea a fortnight ago with 162 people aboard, the transport ministry said.

But they failed to retrieve it immediately from the seabed because it was stuck under debris from the main body of the plane, the ministry added.

"The navy divers in Jadayat state boat have succeeded in finding a very important instrument, the black box of AirAsia QZ8501," said Tonny Budiono, a senior ministry official.

The recorders were at a depth of 30-32 metres (99-106 feet), he said in a statement.

Divers will on Monday try to shift the position of the wreckage to access the black box.

"However, if this effort fails, then the team will lift part of the main body using the same balloon technique used earlier to lift the tail," Budiono added.

After a frustrating two-week search often hampered by bad weather, officials earlier Sunday raised hopes by reporting that strong ping signals had been detected by three vessels involved in the search.

Those signals were coming from the seabed less than one kilometre (0.6 miles) from where the tail of the plane was found, Malaysian Navy chief Abdul Aziz Jaafar said in a post on Twitter. Malaysia's Navy is helping in the search.

The Indonesian meteorological agency has said stormy weather likely caused the Airbus A320-200 to crash as it flew from the Indonesian city of Surabaya to Singapore on December 28.

But a definitive answer is impossible without the black box, which should contain the pilots' final words as well as various flight data.


- 48 bodies found -

S.B. Supriyadi, a director with the National Search and Rescue Agency, told reporters earlier in the day that an object believed to be the plane's main body had also been detected near the source of the pings.

The search, which has involved US, Chinese and other international naval ships, has recovered 48 bodies so far.

Supriyadi said many bodies were believed trapped in the cabin, so reaching that part of the wreckage was also a top priority.

The tail of the plane, with its red AirAsia logo, was lifted out of the water on Saturday using giant balloons and a crane.

It was brought by tugboat on Sunday to a port near the search headquarters, at Pangkalan Bun town on Borneo island.

All but seven of those on board the flight were Indonesian.

The bodies of a South Korean couple were identified on Sunday, but their 11-month-old baby remains unaccounted for, Indonesian authorities said.

The other foreigners were one Singaporean, one Malaysian, one Briton and a Frenchman -- co-pilot Remi Plesel. Their bodies have not been recovered.

While the cause of the crash is unknown, the disaster has once again placed Indonesia's chaotic aviation industry under scrutiny.

Indonesian officials have alleged Indonesia AirAsia did not have a licence to fly the route on the day of the crash, although the airline rejects the claim.

Indonesia's transport ministry quickly banned AirAsia from flying the Surabaya-Singapore route.

On Friday it suspended dozens more routes operated by five other domestic airlines for similar licence violations.

[KiwiElf]

Divers retrieve crashed AirAsia jet's cockpit voice recorder

By Charlotte Greenfield and Nilufar Rizki
JAKARTA Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:51am EST

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/13/us-indonesia-airplane-idUSKBN0KG09L20150113

(Reuters) - Indonesian divers pulled out the cockpit voice recorder from the sunken wreckage of an AirAsia passenger jet on Tuesday, a key step towards determining the cause of the crash that killed all 162 people aboard.

Indonesia AirAsia's Flight QZ8501 lost contact with air traffic control in bad weather on Dec. 28, less than halfway into a two-hour flight from Indonesia's second-biggest city of Surabaya to Singapore.

The cockpit voice recorder, which retains the last two hours of conversation between the pilots and with air traffic controllers, was found close to where the flight data recorder was recovered from the bottom of the Java Sea on Monday.

"Today we have completed searching for the main things that we have been looking for," Rear Admiral Widodo, the commander of the navy's western fleet, told reporters after handing over the cockpit voice recorder to investigators.

"But the team will still try to find the body of the plane in case there are still bodies inside."

Together the black boxes, which are actually orange, contain a wealth of data that will be crucial for investigators piecing together the sequence of events that led to the Airbus A320-200 plunging into the sea.

The cockpit voice recorder is expected to be sent to the capital, Jakarta, for analysis.

Investigators may need up to a month to get a complete reading of the data.

CALMER WEATHER

The AirAsia group's first fatal accident took place more than two weeks ago, but wind, high waves and strong currents have slowed efforts to recover bodies and wreckage from the shallow waters off Borneo island.

Dozens of Indonesian navy divers took advantage of calmer weather this week to retrieve the black boxes and now hope to find the fuselage of the Airbus.

Forty-eight bodies have been plucked from the Java Sea and brought to Surabaya for identification. Searchers believe more bodies will be found in the plane's fuselage.

Government officials sought to reassure victims' families that divers would continue to search for bodies.

"Our main task is to find the victims," Fransiskus Bambang Soelistyo, head of the National Search and Rescue Agency, told reporters in Jakarta before heading to Surabaya to meet families of the victims.

"Even if both (black boxes) are found, it doesn't mean that our operation is over."

Relatives of the victims urged authorities to continue to search for the remains of their loved ones.

"Even if the search has to last for a month, we are still hoping to find them," said Lioni, who lost four family members in the plane crash. "If they can find even one (of my family members), we would feel a little bit relieved."

Video at Link - Second black box found in AirAsia crash


(Additional reporting by Fergus Jensen and Eveline Danubrata in JAKARTA, Kanupriya Kapoor in PANGKALAN BUN, and Fransiska Nangoy in SURABAYA; Writing by Randy Fabi; Editing by Alex Richardson)

[ParakeetMGP]

I've been "Waiting" :ranger: "Looking" "Didn't they find the Black Boxes last Week?" And? What was the "Outcome?"

[ParakeetMGP]

All I got a couple days ago is News that didn't make "Sense" It climbed steeply and then? (Instead of Detail) "Crashed" (No Detail!) What's with this? How does climbing just make it "Crash" what made it "Climb"? I'm "Tired" of having "Questions" a whole year on similar stuff and still "Waiting" for "Answers"!

[KiwiElf]

ParakeetMGP - it can take weeks, months or years for Aircraft Crash Reports to be thoroughly investigated and released. As they haven't yet recovered the whole plane, it could be some time before any conclusions are made public. If a definitive cause (s) can't be found, the usual result is the "pilots lost control" of the aircraft with other contributing factors.

The sudden climb rate (of 6,000+ feet per minute) is 3-4 times higher than would be considered "normal". This would result in a stall (the airplane is no longer creating lift) and it literally drops like a stone. This was likely caused by the severe turbulence of the storms the aircraft was flying through at the time. Combine that with sudden icing, air traffic control not allowing an increase in altitude, and perhaps the high growth (and high traffic) and relative way of handling "situations" to be different from more experienced airlines in the Western world, (ie more reliance on technology instead of hands-on flying), ... not to mention more "freaky" weather conditions, and this sort of event will happen more frequently.

Try using Google to find some more information. Other than various alarms were going off (including the stall warning), not much else in the way of information has yet been released. They have stated that there is nothing (yet) to indicate a terrorist attack (ie a bomb).

[KiwiElf]

Indonesia struggles to retrieve AirAsia fuselage
AFP January 26, 2015, 1:12 am

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/26095806/indonesia-struggles-to-retrieve-airasia-fuselage/

Jakarta (AFP) - Indonesian salvage teams failed again Sunday to retrieve the fuselage of AirAsia Flight 8501 from the seabed after a sling snapped during a sudden change in the weather, officials said.

In the past two days the teams have been using giant inflatable bags to raise the fuselage, which lies in the Java Sea at a depth of around 30 metres (98 ft), to make it easier to find bodies believed trapped inside.

On Sunday they managed to lift the fuselage to the surface for only two minutes before the sling snapped, a navy official overseeing the search and rescue operation told AFP.

"We managed to float (the fuselage) and we were about to move it to the tugboat when the rope snapped due to an extreme change in the weather," Rear Admiral Widodo, who goes by one name, told AFP.

One body came out of the fuselage before it fell back to the seabed.

A total of 70 bodies have been found so far, search and rescue official S. B. Supriyadi said.

The crashed jet's black boxes -- the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder -- have been recovered and investigators are analysing them.

Flight QZ8501 went down on December 28 in stormy weather, during what was supposed to be a short trip from the Indonesian city of Surabaya to Singapore. There were 162 people on board.

Indonesian Transport Minister Ignasius Jonan said last week that the plane climbed abnormally fast before stalling and plunging into the sea.

Just moments before it disappeared off the radar, the pilot had asked to climb to avoid a major storm but was not immediately granted permission due to heavy air traffic.

[KiwiElf]

... and now the story starts to get murky...

Passengers 'conscious until impact'
EXCLUSIVE Geoffrey Thomas Aviation Editor, The West Australian Updated January 31, 2015, 7:59 am

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/26161092/computer-glitch-distracted-airasia-pilot/

The captain of Indonesia AirAsia Flight QZ8501 was out of his seat, preoccupied with computer problems, when his plane was swept up by a massive storm updraft.

The plane then stalled and plummeted into the Java Sea, killing all 162 aboard.

Sources close to the crash investigation said that Capt. Iriyanto was out of his seat trying to disconnect the critical dual flight augmentation computers.

This is done through the circuit breakers behind and above the pilots, requiring the non-flying pilot to leave his seat.

Disconnecting the augmentation computers removed a host of features, including the critical cockpit speed warnings and protections.

It also makes the A320 "harder to fly", according to an A320 check and training captain, who did not wish to be named.

"It is highly likely that the French co-pilot, Remi Plesel, who was flying the A320, was preoccupied with the computer problems and not paying attention to the radar and missed the severity of the weather ahead," the A320 pilot said.


Indonesia AirAsia had been having problems with the augmentation computers. The Singapore Straits Times reported there were nine write-ups in the plane's technical log for issues with those computers last year alone.

The co-pilot on that December 28 flight from Surabaya to Singapore had 2247 hours of experience and the captain was a 20,537-hour veteran.

These types of crashes are termed in the industry "light-bulb crashes", referring to the fact a simple malfunction that distracts all the crew can lead to the loss of the plane.

More details have emerged of the passengers and crew's terrifying ride before the plane hit the sea.

When the A320 flew into the storm's updraft, it soared at up to 6000ft a minute before stalling and then turning to the left and spiralling down at up to 24,000ft a minute.

It was thought the G-forces would have rendered passengers unconscious, but pilot experts have said they "would have been conscious through the ordeal until impact".

Ertata Lananggalih, an investigator with Indonesia's National Transportation Safety Committee, said the "pilots were conscious when the manoeuvres happened".

Indonesia is not releasing the preliminary report into the crash for public scrutiny, although all countries involved have received the document.

Authorities have now recovered 70 bodies but have been unable to lift the plane's main cabin from the sea.

Exactly what and why was the captain trying to disconnect the computers, especially at such a critical time...? HOW do the investigators "know" this???. Fobbing it off as a "lightbulb" crash doesn't cut it. Lightbulbs (or similar unimportant minor "distractions") and computers are vastly different... and cutting off computers to an aircraft that is largely flown by computers doesn't sound particularly wise, given the circumstances at the time! - KE.