Air Asia found

[jerry]

AirAsia flight QZ8501 crash: debris does belong to missing plane, 40 bodies from missing plane found and 'emergency slide and plane door' spotted

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30634081

Search teams have recovered at least 40 bodies and numerous pieces of wreckage from missing AirAsia Flight QZ8501 as search teams said that a “shadow” has been spotted on the seabed.

Around 10 objects have been found in the Java Sea, roughly six miles from where the plane lost contact with air traffic control, including what Indonesian air force officials claim are items resembling a plane door, emergency slide and the shadow of what appeared to be the outline of the passenger jet.

As distraught families waited for news of the rescue attempt, Indonesian news channel TVOne aired footage of one of the swollen bodies in split screen footage also capturing the anguish of relatives watching. The move was widely condemned as "cruel" on social media, adding that "TV One should be ashamed".



Additional ships and specialist divers en route will focus on finding the remaining passengers and crew, as well as the vitally important black box, amid tricky weather conditions of fog and large waves hampering an otherwise straightforward retrieval operation in relatively shallow water of 20 meters.

First Lieutenant Tri Wibowo, who was on board a Hercules during the first search operation, described finding the debris: "We thought that the passengers were still alive and waved at us for help. But when we approached closer [we saw] they were already dead."

"As we approached, the body seemed bloated," he told national Indonesian newspaper Kompas, adding that he could see three of the "seven to eight bodies" were "holding hands". He also confirmed that the bodies were not wearing life jackets.



Authorities are beginning to recover the bodies, which will be identified at Bhayangkara Hospital, in Surabaya, but there are conflicting reports emerging of how many have so far been retrieved and placed on board Indonesian warship Bung Tomo.

Indonesian navy spokesman Manahan Simorangkir told AFP: "Based on the navy radio, it has been reported that the warship Bung Tomo has retrieved 40 bodies and the number is growing". Conflicting reports indicate that far fewer bodies have been recovered.

Search and Rescue Agency chief Henry Bambang Soelistyo told reporters "more than one" body had been recovered.

During the press conference, held at around 2pm local time, he said that search teams had seen a shadow underneath the water, allegedly in the shape of a plane as well as recovering white, red and black objects, including what appears to be a life jacket. AirAsia’s livery is red and white.



An Indonesian Navy helicopter assists in the search for missing AirAsia flight QZ8501 near Batam, south of Singapore An Indonesian Navy helicopter assists in the search for missing AirAsia flight QZ8501 near Batam, south of Singapore

Messages for passengers on board the missing AirAsia flight 8501 are placed on a board at Changi International Airport in Singapore Messages for passengers on board the missing AirAsia flight 8501 are placed on a board at Changi International Airport in Singapore AirAsia has released a statement confirming the find and offering "sincere sympathies" to the families of passengers and crew members.

CEO Mr Fernandes also said in the statement: “I am absolutely devastated. This is a very difficult moment for all of us at AirAsia as we await further developments of the search and rescue operations but our first priority now is the wellbeing of the family members of those onboard QZ8501.”


He has arrived in Surabaya to see families and is reported as appearing "utterly dejected."

[Kryztian]

As far as my research goes, there were four commercial airline crashes in 2014 that resulted in over 100 deaths. There were a few smaller commercial plane crashes (Taiwan, Nepal, Iran) where there were well under 100 deaths. Of the four, one was in Mali, Air Algérie Flight 5017, crashed on July 24, 2014 where all 116 aboard the plane died. Of the others, these planes were owned by a Malaysian corporation and were either flying out of Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, or on their way. They are:


Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, March 8th, 2014, on route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, mysteriously just went off the radar map and mysteriously disappeared. No black box found. All 239 persons on board assumed dead.
Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, July 17th, 2014, on route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, shot down over the Ukraine. Both the Putin and Obama administrations are trying to put blame on either the Ukraine or the pro-Russian separatists. 298 fatalities.
AirAsia Flight 8501, December 28th, 2014, on route from Surabaya to Kuala Lumpur. A fairly new plane flying at peak altitude, the most stable part of it's journey, mysteriously fell out of the sky. 162 people on board.

Coincidence ? ? ? ? ?

[Andre]

It is entirely possible that MH17 was in fact the same plane previously badged as MH370. After all, MH370 was never found. Several forum users speculated at the time that the plane had been hijacked and would resurface in a false flag operation. In addition, I did see one researcher who had compared historical photos of MH370 and MH17 to prove thie point that they were the same plane. So there may not be any coincidence in "two" Malaysian planes going down. However, it is curious that only Asian airlines appear to be affected now that the Air Asia flight has also gone down. Benjamin Fulford would be the person to ask about whether or not the western elite are using Asian airlines to send the Dragon families a message.

[jerry]

There seems to be an assumption of bad weather associated with the downing of this flight. My curiosity just peaked when I read "Benjamin Fulford would be the person to ask about whether or not the western elite are using Asian airlines to send the Dragon families a message." and I thought , was HAARP involved ?

[cursichella1]

As far as my research goes, there were four commercial airline crashes in 2014 that resulted in over 100 deaths. There were a few smaller commercial plane crashes (Taiwan, Nepal, Iran) where there were well under 100 deaths. Of the four, one was in Mali, Air Algérie Flight 5017, crashed on July 24, 2014 where all 116 aboard the plane died. Of the others, these planes were owned by a Malaysian corporation and were either flying out of Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, or on their way. They are:


Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, March 8th, 2014, on route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, mysteriously just went off the radar map and mysteriously disappeared. No black box found. All 239 persons on board assumed dead.
Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, July 17th, 2014, on route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, shot down over the Ukraine. Both the Putin and Obama administrations are trying to put blame on either the Ukraine or the pro-Russian separatists. 298 fatalities.
AirAsia Flight 8501, December 28th, 2014, on route from Surabaya to Kuala Lumpur. A fairly new plane flying at peak altitude, the most stable part of it's journey, mysteriously fell out of the sky. 162 people on board.

Coincidence ? ? ? ? ?

The odds would be 1 to a-number-we-have-yet-to-count-to. Not a chance this was a coincidence. Nice touch, though, using a Malaysia-based airline instead of a 3rd from Malaysia Airlines...that would be way too obvious! And does serve as a first 'seed' of doubt.

(Note how the MSM 'recalled' the missing Malaysia Airlines flight 370 when discussing the missing AirAsia flight, but practically nothing on the Malaysia Airlines flight shot down over Ukraine, unless you count this wimpy bone toss "Malaysians Are Shaken by Loss of 3rd Jet in Year" from the NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/30/world/asia/another-missing-flight-malaysians-lack-answers.html?_r=0)...)

[KiwiElf]

Prior to this flight going down, Malaysia had just experienced the worst flooding in decades.

Here's the relevant extract from the latest Ben Fulford Report. Ben isn't responsible for the last bit and clearly, this aircraft isn't going to be used for anything but scrap metal. However, said terrorist event(s) prediction/rumour has been around since MH370 went missing and could still be a possibility, particularly with the latest "ISIS" threat of targeting commercial aircraft (which brings us back to "them").

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78495-Benjamin-Fulford-30-December-2014-Cabal-suffers-huge-defeats-in-2014&p=917447#post917447


Obama spent last Saturday playing golf in Hawaii with Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak. Apparently Razak failed to please Obama because while he was visiting the US, Malaysia was hit with severe floods and, as soon as he returned home, a third Malaysia airliner vanished.

Now e-mails are being sent to this writer claiming the third vanished plane will be used for a nuclear terror attack in the Ukraine.

I think that this latest crash is definitely related to the previous two, and is a deliberate attack on Malaysia, based on the varying and alternative info provided to date. If this latest one really was a result of severe weather (and other combined real "accident" events), then maybe the extreme weather is the thing we should be looking at and not the airline.

I'm also suspicious of the super storm which decimated the Phillipines last year. Up pops the US to provide assistance.

Both Malaysia, the Phillipines and other Asian countries are alleged to be holding tons of real gold, buried underground in vaults, caves etc and guess who wants it?

These events could all be linked if you choose to look at it that way ;)

[jerry]

AirAsia Wreckage Reveals Latest Plane Crash Mystery

update: sure enough, the story has changed. Per the Reuters update:

Tatang Zaenudin, an official with Indonesia's search and rescue agency, said earlier that one of the bodies had been found wearing a life jacket.
But he later said no victim had been recovered with a life jacket on.

"We found a body at 8.20 a.m. and a life jacket at 10.32 a.m. so there was a time difference. This is the latest information we have," he told Reuters.

In a year full of airplane crash mysteries, starting with the still undiscovered Malaysia flight MH-370, going through that 'other' Malaysian flight, MH-17, where the debate of just who shot it down will also never be resolved to everyone's satisfaction, it was only fitting that in closing the year, the wreckage of AirAsia flight QZ8501 which now has been confirmed to have crashed this past weekend 40 minutes into its flight from Surabaya to Singapore, should provide the latest unexplained mystery.

First a quick update on the rescue effort: as Reuters reported earlier today, the wreckage appears to have been uncovered after rescuers said they have found the plane on the sea floor off Borneo, where sonar detected a large, dark object beneath waters near where debris and bodies were found on the surface.

Ships and planes had been scouring the Java Sea for Flight QZ8501 since Sunday, when it lost contact during bad weather about 40 minutes into its flight from Surabaya to Singapore.

Seven bodies have been recovered from the sea, some fully clothed, which could indicate the Airbus A320-200 was intact when it hit the water. That would support a theory that it suffered an aerodynamic stall.

So far nothing surprising. And yet what is strange is that also from Reuters we learn that "a body recovered on Wednesday from the crashed AirAsia plane was wearing a life jacket, an Indonesian search and rescue official said, raising new questions about how the disaster unfolded.

"This morning, we recovered a total of four bodies and one of them was wearing a life jacket," Tatang Zaenudin, an official with the search and rescue agency, told Reuters.

He declined to speculate on what the find might mean. AirAsia Chief Executive Tony Fernandes told reporters there had been no confirmation yet of the sonar image, nor of the discovery of the body wearing a life jacket.

Why is this surprising? Because as Reuters also conveniently notes, the fact that one person put on a life jacket suggests those on board had time before the aircraft hit the water, or before it sank. And yet the pilots did not issue a distress signal. The plane disappeared after it asked for permission to fly higher to avoid bad weather."

A pilot who works for a Gulf carrier said the life jacket indicated the cause of the crash was not "catastrophic failure". Instead, the plane could have stalled and then come down, possibly because its instruments iced up and gave the pilots inaccurate readings.

"There was time. It means the thing didn't just fall out of the sky," said the pilot, who declined to be identified.

He said it could take a minute for a plane to come down from 30,000 feet and the pilots could have experienced "tunnel vision ... too overloaded" to send a distress call.

So... a plunging plane with over 160 people on board, a very experienced pilot, in fact a former air force fighter pilot with 6,100 flying hours under his belt, a sturdy Airbus 320 with hardly any crashes or fatalities in its history, one that last underwent maintenance just a month ago in mid-November... and then suddenly everything goes to hell, the pilots lose control and are somehow "too overloaded" to send a distress call?

Hardly; in fact the story makes no sense at all, which brings us to the latest unexplained airplane crash mystery.

Which is why we expect this story to be promptly revised as this type of loose end is hardly acceptable to those who enjoy controlling a laminar, free-flowing narrative.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-31/airasia-wreckage-reveals-latest-plane-crash-mystery

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No doubt the plot will thicken