Dream/OBE intruders

[BF88]

Ok, recently I have been suffering with anxiety which is something I have battled all my life, it is generally worse in the winter time (probably seasonal affected disorder) due to lack of sun light or something. I decided it was too much to deal with at the minute so medicated with some anti anxiety meds (I know this is the cause of it).

When I was asleep, as sometimes happens, I leave my body but generally find myself somewhere completely different on some kind of exploration / rescue / finding people or things / doing battle with entities (Why can't we all just get along!). Some are these synthetic scenarios that I and others have spoken of that have the feel to them of an exercise or practice for the real thing. Perhaps what I am about to describe to you is that real thing that the exercises were for.

The past two nights it has been different, the medication seems to have induced an OBE but right there in my bedroom and I could sense intruders. I actually thought I was awake as I stepped out of bed and got dressed in the usual way one would while awake. On doing so I immediately felt the presence of something on the other side of the door and thinking I was actually awake I believed I was being burgled. This was not the case. Instead of going to confront the 'burglar' I thought well I can get me and the dog out of the window and out of harms way but found the handles on the window had been cut off! It should of occurred to me at this time something was wrong!

I decided I had no choice but confront the intruder, I keep an axe for such occasions so picked it up on my way but as I walked through into the other room, which was still exactly as it usually is arranged furniture wise, except there was a baby on the sofa, a severed arm with no hand wrapped in a white cloth on a table in front of a birthday cake and party food and an old, small TV! At this point my concern turned to pure fear as I turned around there was a young ish looking man telling me the childs name and it was his first birthday. I tried to axe through the window to escape but there was another layer beyond it (that doesn't exist physically), I tried two techniques I have taught myself of waking up from dreams with no luck so having not been in this situation before absolutely panicked and 'killed' the man (It was an entity of some sort appearing as a man).

The same happened the next night with some entity intruders trying to get into where I live but they failed.

Can anyone shine some light on this? I know it was the meds that induced the OBE whilst I was asleep but generally I 'wake up' out of body in different places doing different things, not usually in my own home with this sort of thing happening. Generally while I'm doing my normal out of body stuff there seems to be a sense of direction I have or a guide or something like that but not this time. I feel as though thinking about it since it happened that I reacted in the wrong way by 'killing' him, I was frightened that I couldn't escape which generally is easy to do.

Is there anyone on here that does 'astral missions' or any other term you would like to apply to what I have described such as rescue or finding things / people that could help with this one?

I will be eternally grateful to anyone that could help with making sense of this as it really did frighten me and I am generally quite alright with dealing with these kind of beings or entities, or, if anyone can help get a message to them to tell them to come in peace next time, in a way that wont scare the **** out of me, if they want to communicate.

Thank you for reading.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Hello there BF88.
I've been on similar medications. And they can really affect our dream lives.
It could be that the body can sense the medication in our system, and decide to confront the mind about the underlying causes.

I and my friend (happened to be reading with me) think that possibly an increase in exercise or some other outdoor activity, or something in another environment,
could act to reduce the stress while awake and also help prepare you for sleep.


the less time we spent indoors, the less our brain perceives our home as prison.

The primitive part of the brain is constantly running primitive checks and balances against the debt we run up through living modern habits.
And this happens most in dreams because of the high stress high pace lives we lead.

____


If it was me having those dreams I would consider a second opinion w/ the meds.
But good luck to you, it could be the meds helped you calm down enough to see some of the troubles thru the dream world.



___

The images and people in your dream

I think in your dream, you yourself represent man in the wild state, with his full set of fears and awareness.
The young man is in an intermediate state of accepting the imprisonment and dumbing down,
and the baby in the dream to me is the utter death of innocence and the embodiment of helplessness yet some determination,
whatever is left over from the survival drive.

it sounds like a ghastly scene.

The dog is your protective instinct telling you, we need to get outside more.

and the severed arm could be your inner fears about what medication can do.

all this is IMO and I am not a doctor.
but ty for sharing



p.s. make sure the internet isn't in your bedroom, no tvs or screens etc.
if possible try not to use the net before sleep, or have a window of net free time where you are reading or watching a movie etc.

[Jake]

My friend, I am right there with you.. I do not take any meds, nor have I induced an OBE with any type of meds. Please go ahead and accept the fact that you have a natural tendency to project beyond your body. Taking meds can trigger them, but only if you already have natural tendencies already.. In my experience, there is much going on into the astral and beyond. Many of them are going to be negative and/or devistating.. To travel beyond the physical means that we must face hidden aspects of ourselves. Which is fine, but in doing so,, we are able to look out of our bubble and engage into realms we didn't mean to engage.. It is journey, and with each aspect of ourselves (positive or negative) we chip away at the ability of these troublesome astral bastards to come into our space...

I deal with much the same thing. Tryst yourself, be strong an sovereign. !! :):):)

Jake..

PS... PM Traineehuman he is the one you want to talk to...

[BF88]

Thank you for the reply, I have actually just taken up cycling again as I thought exercise could help and I do generally exercise about 3 times a week just not in the winter. The dog is my real dog that likes to sleep in my bedroom rather than his own bed but although he does like his walks 2 or 3 times a day he prefers to stay indoors most of the time. I have got rid of the medication now I'll not be having that one again I will just have to face the anxiety which is caused by where I live and the locals or deal with it by moving away which would use up what money I have saved for another purpose. Your analysis of what I described is interesting and different to how I tried to analyse it, I hadn't thought of breaking it down like that.

[BF88]

My friend, I am right there with you.. I do not take any meds, nor have I induced an OBE with any type of meds. Please go ahead and accept the fact that you have a natural tendency to project beyond your body. Taking meds can trigger them, but only if you already have natural tendencies already.. In my experience, there is much going on into the astral and beyond. Many of them are going to be negative and/or devistating.. To travel beyond the physical means that we must face hidden aspects of ourselves. Which is fine, but in doing so,, we are able to look out of our bubble and engage into realms we didn't mean to engage.. It is journey, and with each aspect of ourselves (positive or negative) we chip away at the ability of these troublesome astral bastards to come into our space...

I deal with much the same thing. Tryst yourself, be strong an sovereign. !! :):):)

Jake..

PS... PM Traineehuman he is the one you want to talk to...

I generally don't take any meds as I know they are no good in the long term and for most of the time I don't need to. I have always managed to deal with these entities since I was 18 or so (26 now) when I first took a stand against one but they keep coming back in different forms, not like general dreams but an actual consciousness either performing a task with me or against me in that 'dream state'. even this exceptionally vivid and horrific time nothing actually happened to me as in attacked or anything like that which is part of the reason whilst I am thinking about it I may have acted in the wrong way. I haven't thought of it as being negative parts of myself before I shall explore that and see where it leads to. Thank you.

[Zee's]

I myself have had similar occurrences' in the past,due to anxiety and depression,only through having these experiences in the past have I gained more of an understanding.this would lead to me putting out a low vibration that allowed me to tune in on a different frequency, which would make me also witness these types of events.I myself to have seen entity's and felt the presence in this state of mind.The trick is to not submit to fear in this altered state to be one with it..By having these moments I often find myself questioning them so to get answers but that s when I realised they happen so as those we can learn from them.It sounds as if you also trying to work out the difference between real time astral projection and what ever els it is you have been witnessing.I found my self also being bothered by entity's and battling with them to.As a result to the happenings I learn to except the way they played out was because of certain physical battles that were happening in my life that had me mentally frustrated for afew months.my will was what got me through these hard times we all have the strength in us to succeed one way or another, the through thinking over really allowed me to continue. I found that if ever I have an entity present or even at times when if I think I feel an entity present,I imagine to lough and smile.It hasn't failed yet if you can't feed them with hate feed them with love,give out positive energy and you should break the connection with these other dimensional entities.

[Mu2143]

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[Jake]

My friend, I am right there with you.. I do not take any meds, nor have I induced an OBE with any type of meds. Please go ahead and accept the fact that you have a natural tendency to project beyond your body. Taking meds can trigger them, but only if you already have natural tendencies already.. In my experience, there is much going on into the astral and beyond. Many of them are going to be negative and/or devistating.. To travel beyond the physical means that we must face hidden aspects of ourselves. Which is fine, but in doing so,, we are able to look out of our bubble and engage into realms we didn't mean to engage.. It is journey, and with each aspect of ourselves (positive or negative) we chip away at the ability of these troublesome astral bastards to come into our space...

I deal with much the same thing. Tryst yourself, be strong an sovereign. !! :):):)

Jake..

PS... PM Traineehuman he is the one you want to talk to...

I generally don't take any meds as I know they are no good in the long term and for most of the time I don't need to. I have always managed to deal with these entities since I was 18 or so (26 now) when I first took a stand against one but they keep coming back in different forms, not like general dreams but an actual consciousness either performing a task with me or against me in that 'dream state'. even this exceptionally vivid and horrific time nothing actually happened to me as in attacked or anything like that which is part of the reason whilst I am thinking about it I may have acted in the wrong way. I haven't thought of it as being negative parts of myself before I shall explore that and see where it leads to. Thank you.

Ha. You are awesome. I wouldn't call them negative aspects of self, but more a negative experience and interpretation of such... Fear is the key.. Trust in yourself and the fear will become pliable,, and the scenery in front of you may change.. what happens to the astral invaders? I dunno,, I DO know that I have taken myself off the radar of many astral spooks... :):):)

Cheers,
Jake

[BF88]

I myself have had similar occurrences' in the past,due to anxiety and depression,only through having these experiences in the past have I gainedmore of an understanding.this would lead to me putting out a low vibration which would allow me to tune in on a different frequency, which would mall me also witness these types of events.I myself to have seen entity's and felt the I presence in this state of mind.The trick is to not submit to fear in this altered state to be one with it..By having these moments I often find myself questioning them so to get answers but that s when I realised they happen so as those we can learn from them.It sounds as if you also trying to work out the difference between real time astral projection and what ever els it is you have been witnessing.I found my self also being bothered by entity's and battling with them to.As a result to the happenings I learn to except the way they played out was because of certain physical battles that were happening in my life that had me mentally frustrated for afew months.my will was what got me through these hard times we all have the strength in us to succeed one way or another, the through thinking over really allowed me to continue. I found that if ever I have an entity present or even at times when if I think I feel an entity present,I imagine to lough and smile.It hasn't failed yet if you can't feed them with hate feed them with love.

Real time astral projection happens at night when I'm 'asleep' with me except for a few time I have managed in the day, it is the only time I am fully relaxed enough to do it. I would have greeted them with open arms if I wasn't terrified due to being unable to escape. I may just try the love approach should it happen tonight, like I said if they want to communicate I will, and have done with others, but scaring the **** out of me isn't the best way to go about it.

In the situation where a negative entity enters my space I have always just attacked it, perhaps this is putting out the low vibration like you say. I am not sure if I could not give off a negative reaction to such a being as once it enters my space I seem to automatically feel fear and get ready to do battle with it without the chance of trying to somehow show it some love. The same goes for other beings that have come to me that are positive and loving, the automatic reaction isn't to see them off.

How did you go about learning how to laugh or give love to such a being that is, from a personal perspective, a negative entity?

[BF88]

My friend, I am right there with you.. I do not take any meds, nor have I induced an OBE with any type of meds. Please go ahead and accept the fact that you have a natural tendency to project beyond your body. Taking meds can trigger them, but only if you already have natural tendencies already.. In my experience, there is much going on into the astral and beyond. Many of them are going to be negative and/or devistating.. To travel beyond the physical means that we must face hidden aspects of ourselves. Which is fine, but in doing so,, we are able to look out of our bubble and engage into realms we didn't mean to engage.. It is journey, and with each aspect of ourselves (positive or negative) we chip away at the ability of these troublesome astral bastards to come into our space...

I deal with much the same thing. Tryst yourself, be strong an sovereign. !! :):):)

Jake..

PS... PM Traineehuman he is the one you want to talk to...

I generally don't take any meds as I know they are no good in the long term and for most of the time I don't need to. I have always managed to deal with these entities since I was 18 or so (26 now) when I first took a stand against one but they keep coming back in different forms, not like general dreams but an actual consciousness either performing a task with me or against me in that 'dream state'. even this exceptionally vivid and horrific time nothing actually happened to me as in attacked or anything like that which is part of the reason whilst I am thinking about it I may have acted in the wrong way. I haven't thought of it as being negative parts of myself before I shall explore that and see where it leads to. Thank you.

Ha. You are awesome. I wouldn't call them negative aspects of self, but more a negative experience and interpretation of such... Fear is the key.. Trust in yourself and the fear will become pliable,, and the scenery in front of you may change.. what happens to the astral invaders? I dunno,, I DO know that I have taken myself off the radar of many astral spooks... :):):)

Cheers,
Jake

Funny you should mention the interpretation of feelings as that is a major issue of mine. I can 'feel' emotions/intentions/ etc of others, get a sense of events that will happen and kind of 'know' how people are going to act/thing/say or things are to happen before they even do themselves. The only issue is a lot of the time my interpretation of the feeling can be say 70% (at a guess, maybe more maybe less) true which leads to misinterpretation but not completely, it is generally trust worthy.

I do trust in myself, it must just of been the meds that threw me off this time. I'm kind of stuck between a scientific and spiritual interpretation of the event, as in was it purely the meds or the entities seeing me at a weak point and taking advantage?

Lightening up a little bit is the mission for tomorrow I think, getting on with the current goals should bring the positive mindset back!

[Jake]

I myself have had similar occurrences' in the past,due to anxiety and depression,only through having these experiences in the past have I gainedmore of an understanding.this would lead to me putting out a low vibration which would allow me to tune in on a different frequency, which would mall me also witness these types of events.I myself to have seen entity's and felt the I presence in this state of mind.The trick is to not submit to fear in this altered state to be one with it..By having these moments I often find myself questioning them so to get answers but that s when I realised they happen so as those we can learn from them.It sounds as if you also trying to work out the difference between real time astral projection and what ever els it is you have been witnessing.I found my self also being bothered by entity's and battling with them to.As a result to the happenings I learn to except the way they played out was because of certain physical battles that were happening in my life that had me mentally frustrated for afew months.my will was what got me through these hard times we all have the strength in us to succeed one way or another, the through thinking over really allowed me to continue. I found that if ever I have an entity present or even at times when if I think I feel an entity present,I imagine to lough and smile.It hasn't failed yet if you can't feed them with hate feed them with love.

Real time astral projection happens at night when I'm 'asleep' with me except for a few time I have managed in the day, it is the only time I am fully relaxed enough to do it. I would have greeted them with open arms if I wasn't terrified due to being unable to escape. I may just try the love approach should it happen tonight, like I said if they want to communicate I will, and have done with others, but scaring the **** out of me isn't the best way to go about it.

In the situation where a negative entity enters my space I have always just attacked it, perhaps this is putting out the low vibration like you say. I am not sure if I could not give off a negative reaction to such a being as once it enters my space I seem to automatically feel fear and get ready to do battle with it without the chance of trying to somehow show it some love. The same goes for other beings that have come to me that are positive and loving, the automatic reaction isn't to see them off.

How did you go about learning how to laugh or give love to such a being that is, from a personal perspective, a negative entity?

There are several ways to answer that. I can say that a couple of real time projections in the daytime will help.. :) Meeting astral 'folks' in the daytime is like in the physical,, very easy and not really that much 'negativity' (and much more going on..)

During the night, similar to in the physical,, things get much more creepy,,, and our mindset begins to reflect (energetically) a space of fear. Fear is our own and when we face them, we take away a place for the astral bastards to hide... A daytime projection is simply less frightening, and therefore less inviting to them...

One thing I will suggest is that you keep a list if goals to do, so that when you get 'out' you are focused rather than 'expecting'... I keep a dream/OBEjournal,, my list of goals has changed over the years,, and so has the fear..

With all of that said,, I still deal with outside buggers... I get more angry than fearful these days..

Try and remember that personal fears and regrets and doubts etc,, give them great power in the physical AND the astral.. (it is where they hide) meaning that the key to mastering the Astral (our birthright BTW) is to master ourselves.. I realize that it all sounds very esoteric...

I have stared down some pretty ugly bastards... It is not ME that they are afraid of,, it is whoever is staring back at them.. a very subtle difference...

Jake..

[Maia Gabrial]

From what you describe, it sounds like Astral Dreamscape Manipulation. Meds or not, your astral body is being abducted and taken to a dreamscape detention center. James Bartley explains it better than I can. For explanations on abductions, MILABS, ADM, etc., go to:

http://theuniversalseduction.com/bartley/


Astral Dreamscape Manipulation
posted: 11.09. 2006, 07:11

By James Bartley, ©2000 All Rights Reserved

This treatise concerns the reptilian's manipulation of the Human Astral Dreamscape for the express purpose of promoting particular behaviors within the abductee. This subject deals with issues regarding sexuality, aggression, physical, emotional and psychological stress. This treatise will provide the most accurate information regarding reptilian operational methods that has ever been presented in history.

Astral Dreamscape Manipulation is a very pervasive form of behavior modification that most abductees experience at one time or another. Sadly, most abductees are oblivious to the fact that this is an aspect of behavior modification that is routinely practiced by the reptilians upon certain categories of abductees. Most disturbing, this type of manipulation is being perpetrated upon children. Doubtless the information contained in this treatise will generate a firestorm of controversy. I could care less.

Again, my writings are meant to be read by abductees with a Heightened Sense of Awareness. The manipulated muppets can go off and oscillate at a higher frequency for all I care. This treatise isn't meant for them. Their reptilian "familiars" would never let them read this and even if their familiars let them read it, the internet group list moderators and hosted abductee support group facilitators would not let them read it. So much for free will and choice. Just some more hive consciousness clich�s.

The Drac-reptilian hive consciousness will simply not allow the abductees under their control to read this caliber of information. This is unfortunate since many with reptilian DNA are going through changes at this time. Their reptilian familiars are always on hand to ensure that the reptilian hybrids develop along the lines the reptilians want them too. Even if a reptilian hybrid baby was adopted and raised by warm loving human parents, his or her reptilian familiars will sooner or later make their presence felt and will try to turn that child into an obnoxious obscene "human being."

One of the principal methods of conditioning and behavior modification is through astral dreamscape manipulation. The Drac-reptilian hive consciousness will strive at all hazards to keep "their" hybrids under their control.

"A system that does not allow dissent also ignores dissenting information."
A quote by General Markus Wolf, the former director for East German Foreign Intelligence.

He might as well be describing the Drac-reptilian control over humans in general and reptilian hybrids in particular. The ironic thing is many of these hybrid "starseeds" always brag about how special and spiritually evolved they are never realizing that they never had a choice in the matter. Their overwhelming contempt and arrogance reveals them for what they are not to mention some of the perverted practices in their private lives.

Some have slipped through the cracks however. Some of my closest colleagues are reptilian hybrids that didn't allow themselves to be corrupted from within. It just shows that it is the quality of the SOUL that counts. Not the genetics.

I will describe how reptilians and reptilian host can invade the dreamscape and sexually assault humans.

The Reptilians Hold the Tactical High Ground

The reptilians hold the tactical "High Ground" in the astral dreamscape by dint of the fact that most humans are not lucid dreamers and the reptilians are "at home" in the astral dreamscape. Besides being paraphysical entities and mesmerizers par excellence, reptilians can shape and influence a dreamscape experience to suit their devious and sordid ends. Moreover the reptilians can further diminish what little lucidity and awareness humans may have in the dreamscape. The reptilians are intimately familiar with the way the Human Mind works and in particular how to create certain imagery or set the mood of a "dream."

For more of this article go to: http://theuniversalseduction.com/bartley/6/astral-dreamscape-manipulation-part-1

[TraineeHuman]

Hi BF88,

Your experiences of psychic phenomena such as out-of-body phenomena are no doubt the result of a flowering of your inner being, maybe even since before your birth. It no doubt makes you different from what society's conditioning calls "normal". This flowering has a power, and a direct contact with a wider reality, superior to any mental understandings. I'm mentioning that because since this a forum, I guess some readers may assume it's OK just to understand the concepts being brought up. And yet, conceptual knowledge is useless without action. Without full translation into action, it can unfortunately be dangerous or have quite mixed or misleading outcomes or magnify the ego, or even sometimes summon in agencies of an inferior nature, possibly even demonic ones. I feel I probably don't need to point that out to you, BF88, but maybe to some others.

I do feel I should remind you, though, that with all power there comes greater responsibility. The Bhagavad Gita rightly and very accurately talks of the necessity of "sacrifice" of your life to the Divine under circumstances such as yours. By this it doesn't mean some kind of self-immolation or whatever. But at the very least it means keeping your awareness raised to higher levels virtually all the time -- as a few of the posters above have indicated. Doing whatever's necessary to achieve that. At a minimum, I suggest this involves at least two things. One is to spend at least ten minutes each morning (or some need thirty minutes) meditating properly, plus the same each night. What such meditation does, once mastered, is strongly raise one's consciousness for the rest of the day (and, respectively, the night), so that one sees everything from a "glass half full" perspective. One still sees everything in the physical -- it's not escapism -- but one becomes aware of the positive potentials. If you begin to catch a glimpse of some negative being/energy/entity, though, you need to learn to turn your "gaze" away immediately. And positivity becomes a perception of the higher and truer nature of reality, of the truly real, instead of a kind of random point of view to take. The other thing is to do one's best to practice the consciousness of love in all one's relationships with others, even if that may also involve making tough decisions when that's genuinely necessary.

I'll have more time in a few days or so to make some more comments on the issues you bring up.

[Guish]

Hi Friend,

Just to build on what other posters have said, here are a few videos.

I've never used this one but it got a lot of positive feedback from people.

e3juAhfalmY

I've used So Hum meditation technique for a few years. I prefer traditional Zazen now but I know that this one helped me a lot. BTW, I suffered from sleep paralysis when I was a teenager too. However, suffering triggers one to think about inner peace and work out our way towards it. There are a lot of helpful people here. Good luck.

38vYfQWa_ek

[BF88]

Hi BF88,

Your experiences of psychic phenomena such as out-of-body phenomena are no doubt the result of a flowering of your inner being, maybe even since before your birth. It no doubt makes you different from what society's conditioning calls "normal". This flowering has a power, and a direct contact with a wider reality, superior to any mental understandings. I'm mentioning that because since this a forum, I guess some readers may assume it's OK just to understand the concepts being brought up. And yet, conceptual knowledge is useless without action. Without full translation into action, it can unfortunately be dangerous or have quite mixed or misleading outcomes or magnify the ego, or even sometimes summon in agencies of an inferior nature, possibly even demonic ones. I feel I probably don't need to point that out to you, BF88, but maybe to some others.

I do feel I should remind you, though, that with all power there comes greater responsibility. The Bhagavad Gita rightly and very accurately talks of the necessity of "sacrifice" of your life to the Divine under circumstances such as yours. By this it doesn't mean some kind of self-immolation or whatever. But at the very least it means keeping your awareness raised to higher levels virtually all the time -- as a few of the posters above have indicated. Doing whatever's necessary to achieve that. At a minimum, I suggest this involves at least two things. One is to spend at least ten minutes each morning (or some need thirty minutes) meditating properly, plus the same each night. What such meditation does, once mastered, is strongly raise one's consciousness for the rest of the day (and, respectively, the night), so that one sees everything from a "glass half full" perspective. One still sees everything in the physical -- it's not escapism -- but one becomes aware of the positive potentials. If you begin to catch a glimpse of some negative being/energy/entity, though, you need to learn to turn your "gaze" away immediately. And positivity becomes a perception of the higher and truer nature of reality, of the truly real, instead of a kind of random point of view to take. The other thing is to do one's best to practice the consciousness of love in all one's relationships with others, even if that may also involve making tough decisions when that's genuinely necessary.

I'll have more time in a few days or so to make some more comments on the issues you bring up.

Thank you for your response, I shall take the advice that you and others have given regarding the meditation in the morning and evening, I have tried it before on occasion but always seem to not be able to properly still my thoughts or get disturbed as I live near a busy road/noisy neighbours!. Perseverance obviously is the key here. I will have a look at the videos posted here see if there is any tips I can learn for it. Can you elaborate on the greater responsibility? I suppose if I felt like I had a purpose or goal with maintaining a higher state at all times (other than doing away with intruders) then this would help with the motivation / perseverance issue. Maybe it is an issue of results, if I notice myself having a positive impact on the people around me / things in general at the same time as maintaining a higher state, that itself could be the purpose I would have in continuing the practice and therefore would make it my responsibility to do so. The results are not something I have thought of or looked for, just and idea.

Regarding the astral dreamscape manipulation I have described this on here before as 'synthetic dreams' although I can say that it definitely feels like some of what was described in the article is what is going on there is a definite distinction to be made between such an experience and others where it is 'controlled' by myself or I am just doing my own thing. There are reptilian types in these situations but it is rare for me to see them, some beings (their exact nature I couldn't possibly say) that do hide themselves or appear as people I know/trust but it isn't hard to see through it most of the time, not that I need to as it seems as though I am somehow working for/with them although like the article said that could just be for mental conditioning. Next time I find myself in that situation perhaps I will try and have a sit down and a conversation with them, ask them what they are playing at!

[BF88]

I myself have had similar occurrences' in the past,due to anxiety and depression,only through having these experiences in the past have I gainedmore of an understanding.this would lead to me putting out a low vibration which would allow me to tune in on a different frequency, which would mall me also witness these types of events.I myself to have seen entity's and felt the I presence in this state of mind.The trick is to not submit to fear in this altered state to be one with it..By having these moments I often find myself questioning them so to get answers but that s when I realised they happen so as those we can learn from them.It sounds as if you also trying to work out the difference between real time astral projection and what ever els it is you have been witnessing.I found my self also being bothered by entity's and battling with them to.As a result to the happenings I learn to except the way they played out was because of certain physical battles that were happening in my life that had me mentally frustrated for afew months.my will was what got me through these hard times we all have the strength in us to succeed one way or another, the through thinking over really allowed me to continue. I found that if ever I have an entity present or even at times when if I think I feel an entity present,I imagine to lough and smile.It hasn't failed yet if you can't feed them with hate feed them with love.

Real time astral projection happens at night when I'm 'asleep' with me except for a few time I have managed in the day, it is the only time I am fully relaxed enough to do it. I would have greeted them with open arms if I wasn't terrified due to being unable to escape. I may just try the love approach should it happen tonight, like I said if they want to communicate I will, and have done with others, but scaring the **** out of me isn't the best way to go about it.

In the situation where a negative entity enters my space I have always just attacked it, perhaps this is putting out the low vibration like you say. I am not sure if I could not give off a negative reaction to such a being as once it enters my space I seem to automatically feel fear and get ready to do battle with it without the chance of trying to somehow show it some love. The same goes for other beings that have come to me that are positive and loving, the automatic reaction isn't to see them off.

How did you go about learning how to laugh or give love to such a being that is, from a personal perspective, a negative entity?

There are several ways to answer that. I can say that a couple of real time projections in the daytime will help.. :) Meeting astral 'folks' in the daytime is like in the physical,, very easy and not really that much 'negativity' (and much more going on..)

During the night, similar to in the physical,, things get much more creepy,,, and our mindset begins to reflect (energetically) a space of fear. Fear is our own and when we face them, we take away a place for the astral bastards to hide... A daytime projection is simply less frightening, and therefore less inviting to them...

One thing I will suggest is that you keep a list if goals to do, so that when you get 'out' you are focused rather than 'expecting'... I keep a dream/OBEjournal,, my list of goals has changed over the years,, and so has the fear..

With all of that said,, I still deal with outside buggers... I get more angry than fearful these days..

Try and remember that personal fears and regrets and doubts etc,, give them great power in the physical AND the astral.. (it is where they hide) meaning that the key to mastering the Astral (our birthright BTW) is to master ourselves.. I realize that it all sounds very esoteric...

I have stared down some pretty ugly bastards... It is not ME that they are afraid of,, it is whoever is staring back at them.. a very subtle difference...

Jake..

I have never set any goals, just kind of gone with the flow and have a little float around wherever I seem to end up. What kind of goals would you suggest? Makes sense what you said about doing it in the day time and generally do have a happier more positive mood during the day so I will give that a go rather than just letting it happen at night.

[Jake]

Start simple.. For example; 1) Put your hands through walls and other solid objects, compare the textures,,, keep a running list. (Biulds better memory recall and inspires a more clear lucid mind.) 2) Keep a deck of cards shuffled and upside down,,, the next time you are 'out', try and pick up the top card and identify it,, maybe look at the bottom card too... When you get back into the physical, go check it out.. This one was a game changer for me.. 3) Try and see how high you can fly.. 4) Mess with some of the cats in the neighborhood... lol.. I am dead serious!! :)

The entire point being that once you condition yourself to be more focused and clear headed and confident,, many of the negative aspects of OBE will simply go away.. Fear can keep us shackled..

Keeping journals and goals has been priceless for me. Of course my goals change over the years... lol..

Also, there are many more spiritual experiences that will open up once we can accept that we are more than our physical bodies..

Jake

[BF88]

I never really gave any thought to stopping and feeling the texture of things etc. Walls and things like that I just seem to think of being on the other side and I'm there, although it didn't work the other night with that particular incident. Have you ever experienced going further out than usual? or is there a level of 'non physicality' that is always the same during your experiences? The best way I could describe it would be different levels to 'physicality' beyond your physical body, to the point where there is no body at all or at least does not resemble or feel like one, if that makes any sense! It is a very comfortable state to be in but like with most things of this nature I can't seem to figure out how to make it happen at will. I will get some cards and try your trick with them or maybe even mess with the cats! I think the issue is I should take less of an intuitive approach to the experience and try more of a logic based approach doing small tasks etc.

[TraineeHuman]

Can you elaborate on the greater responsibility?

Where responsibility comes in is that greater power automatically brings one greater responsibility. Because you have some psychic and probably other skills ("powers") more fully developed than the average person, the challenge you can't ultimately avoid is to find ways to direct it all into constructive outcomes -- at home, at work, in your relationships.

In particular, the power of greater awareness will tend to bring a shift in perspective for you, compared to most others. Where they may see a problem, you tend to see the same situation as something that you don't mind. Such not-minding is the key to releasing you from its power to (supposedly) cause you unhappiness. Paradoxically, not-minding also makes it much easier for you to see and create improvements, that will help partially solve the problem for the others. But you do need to do things, such as meditation, to cultivate your greater awareness. We use nurseries (special measures) to grow the young shoots of plants that otherwise may get killed off or infected or deformed before they've grown big enough and hardy enough to not-mind about adverse weather.


if I notice myself having a positive impact on the people around me / things in general at the same time as maintaining a higher state, that itself could be the purpose I would have in continuing the practice and therefore would make it my responsibility to do so.

Well, greater joy is its own reward, something done for its own sake -- though it should also be done responsibly too. I'm not saying you'll necessarily experience smaller challenges than before. Probably you'll get bigger challenges. But what will have changed will be your attitude to them, your perspective. Life in general will seem less and less a problem in itself, and more and more something positive in its very essence.

[BF88]

Can you elaborate on the greater responsibility?

Where responsibility comes in is that greater power automatically brings one greater responsibility. Because you have some psychic and probably other skills ("powers") more fully developed than the average person, the challenge you can't ultimately avoid is to find ways to direct it all into constructive outcomes -- at home, at work, in your relationships.

In particular, the power of greater awareness will tend to bring a shift in perspective for you, compared to most others. Where they may see a problem, you tend to see the same situation as something that you don't mind. Such not-minding is the key to releasing you from its power to (supposedly) cause you unhappiness. Paradoxically, not-minding also makes it much easier for you to see and create improvements, that will help partially solve the problem for the others. But you do need to do things, such as meditation, to cultivate your greater awareness. We use nurseries (special measures) to grow the young shoots of plants that otherwise may get killed off or infected or deformed before they've grown big enough and hardy enough to not-mind about adverse weather.


if I notice myself having a positive impact on the people around me / things in general at the same time as maintaining a higher state, that itself could be the purpose I would have in continuing the practice and therefore would make it my responsibility to do so.

Well, greater joy is its own reward, something done for its own sake -- though it should also be done responsibly too. I'm not saying you'll necessarily experience smaller challenges than before. Probably you'll get bigger challenges. But what will have changed will be your attitude to them, your perspective. Life in general will seem less and less a problem in itself, and more and more something positive in its very essence.

Sounds about right with the problem solving I do seem to find a way around issues that others can not but also at the same time have different issues that others don't even notice! The meditation has been calming over the past couple of days, I'm finding I am doing it for between 15 - 30 minutes but continue the controlled breathing that was in the video whenever I am sat down somewhere.

Jake - I haven't had the opportunity to mess with any cats just yet, I did notice my inability to swallow something last night but it was one of those apparent controlled environment synthetic dream things, something to do with a boat in a storm but not very eventful (just as I like it!)