Global First Contact of God

[Omni]

I never hear any people who believe that there is a conscious being who is creator of pretty much everything, contacting the whole of humanity overtly for the first time. In other words global first contact from God. In my view I am waiting for global first contact of extraterrestrials. So I wonder does anyone wait for global first contact with God? Or does nobody even get that thought? I've never heard it spoken before.

I think it's an interesting premise, even though personally I think it is a false notion as I do not believe in any conscious being that created everything. That doesn't stop me from pondering about God etc. I can't help but wonder if people do not have creative thoughts about God so much as they just accept a a belief system of such and be on their way.

So I'm curious. To the people who believe in a conscious being that is God(AKA a being that has a personality, and can chat with people etc), do you consider a global first contact with God as possible? And what might be your thoughts on how this might take place(theoretically of course) and when? What might be the triggers?

I can't really answer that question as I firmly believe that nature is the creator(as well as ETs accounting for intelligent design in many cases). But I'm interested in any thoughts about this from those who might consider it. Even those who don't too as well I'd say. Any thoughts are welcome.

Global First Contact with God? Yes/No? What will happen if yes? Looking forward to some responses to this(maybe this thread will just die who knows, sometimes it works that way when I really look forward to a response to a thread I make)....

Cheers :)

[earthadvocate]

I think that there must be a preparation in order to meet God, and we may have glimpses of his/her presence but God might not be what we expect and that is why we cannot meet him/her. I don't believe the earth is one of his/her favorite.

[wobbegong]

I think that there must be a preparation in order to meet God, and we may have glimpses of his/her presence but God might not be what we expect and that is why we cannot meet him/her. I don't believe the earth is one of his/her favorite.

I too believe in a 'preparation'. The one I have been practicing is Steps to Knowledge (http://www.stepstoknowledge.com/). Its purpose is to re-connect us to God within. They call it Knowledge, you can call it Spirit, Deeper Mind, God Within...it's basically our divine self that never left the Source.
There is a huge revelation that accompanies the practice. For me it has been key in terms of finding the path to my purpose. It has been mentioned before, here at Avalon, and I don't think it went down very well, so I'm definitely not going to push it and argue for or against it, but if anyone is interested, more can be found here. (http://www.newmessage.org/steps-knowledge-the-book-of-inner-knowing)

[aceninja]

I believe that there is no need for a global first contact of God because we can meet God whenever we are ready. I see communication with God our Creator as a channel of consciousness anyone can tune into because we participate in the Creation. We exist inside the bubble. We are the atoms that make up the molecules, that make up the cells, that make up the organs, that make up the limbs, that make up the body of God our Creator.

The same way an electron rotates and revolves around the nucleus of an atom, the planets rotate and revolve around the suns of solar systems.

I agree with earthadvocate that one must be individually prepared to meet and recognize God.

The answers are hidden in religion if you look at Christianity, Islam, and Judaism and find the common denominators. The answers are hidden in popular culture, but more overtly in playing cards if you study them.

I don't believe God exists out there somewhere, but we simply need to tune in. We have only been conditioned and trained not to recognize God because of where we are in creation. Jesus the Son of Man is the most recent physical incarnation that I am aware of who corresponds to Horus in the Ancient Egyptian hierarchy. I believe the incarnation of Christ on earth allowed the Holy Universal Spirit to exist on our plane and for our benefit. I believe that the significance of that event gave us that channel to directly communicate to our Creator without having to go through priests and burnt offerings/sacrifices. It was a Spiritual revolution of sorts that marked the beginning of a new physical world that allowed man to truly step into His role as mediator between heaven and earth.

Now in 2015, I believe we are once again child in a new world with a changed spiritual landscape that we must learn to adapt to over the next several thousand years.

I believe that we must not think of historical knowledge of the past as "right or wrong" but conditional and relevant to the times in which it was brought about. What was true 10,000 years ago may not be true today, but that doesn't mean it was a lie back then - it's quantum (0 and 1 at the same time). The only thing in the universe that is unchanging is the Law that governs creation.

I hope I didn't over-answer the question too much. Those are just my personal beliefs (take it or leave it).

[Ernie Nemeth]

Interesting, that for someone who professes not to believe in God, to have so many ideas revolving around God.

Great to see Omni!

I believe we are never "out of contact" so the idea must be a question about awareness of contact, and universal awareness, all of us at once. If that is so, I believe that is what happens at the Godhead, just before The Great I Am dawns on the mind!

On this planet, that may take a while...

[eaglespirit]

Well Omni, God as I understand God can be pretty mis-understood by oh so many.

I feel we are all 'touched' by Source, the One.

Some a bit more touched than others.

Personal revelation through selfless loving commitment to life in front of us.

Global contact being relative to personal ongoing revelation by more and more awake and aware living selflessly and accepting each others God understanding.

...and thank God we're just about there : )

[East Sun]

IMO, to talk about God we need to talk about the Gods, ETs, Science, Religions, Nature other dimensions and more.

There have been many Gods spoken of in, for example the Bible, Koran etc. the writings of Sitchin and many theologians.

The Earth is many millions of years old so where was the God of the Bible all that time?

The God of the OT was very human--like. Actually too human like to be believable as a real God. Probably similar to the Gods mentioned by Sitchin, 'who from the heavens to Earth came' who had great powers and may have created a form of humans.

Again, in the OT there were the Sons of the Gods who mated with the daughters of 'earthlings.' There were 'Gods' that contacted Ezekiel, ETs in my book.

ETs have been coming to Earth from planets and other dimensions for a long time and some are still here. There are many specious and may/probably have their own perspective on God or gods.

In respect to the New Testament and Jesus I believe that ETs were heavily involved in that time and place even though they were left out of writings of that time.

There may be a Creator of all but we don't know what 'all' encompasses.

And there may be a God that no human will know until after this life and maybe not then either.

I am talking mostly from a Christian perspective of course.

Just some thoughts.

[Omni]

I believe the incarnation of Christ on earth allowed the Holy Universal Spirit to exist on our plane and for our benefit. I believe that the significance of that event gave us that channel to directly communicate to our Creator without having to go through priests and burnt offerings/sacrifices.
I wholeheartedly disagree with the quoted. Why would the incarnation of a being affect one's soul's connection to God if it exists? So everyone on earth before Jesus came had no connection to God? What about other worlds? Doesn jesus have to come to every planet for them to be blessed with the graces of God? It seems to me that the soul is the connection to God if it exists in the way you say, not some event brought by the incarnation of an ET soul. I think the ideas behind Jesus being such a huge supernatural power, so big he brought the connection to the creator is a big lie(not that Im saying you are lying). I believe the mythology surrounding how powerful Jesus is or was to mankind was created by the controllers so that if he ever came back he couldn't replicate any of the mythologies power , and wouldn't be seen as remotely the same person. It elevates his influence to an impossible level to ever truly reach in any future incarnations.


What was true 10,000 years ago may not be true today, but that doesn't mean it was a lie back then - it's quantum (0 and 1 at the same time). The only thing in the universe that is unchanging is the Law that governs creation.
I disagree with this too. The truth is always the truth, it doesn't change after it is the truth IMO. Such an idea is a solipsistic point of view, and perhaps would lead to one giving up on trying to find the truth, if it's ever changing whats the point of figuring it out, only to be delusional once it changes. Makes no sense to me.

I believe universal mechanics are all as perfect as they could be, and they do not change. Only our understanding of them changes. It is not truth that changes it is perception of truth IMO.

Mark Passio - Truth vs Perception
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[eaglespirit]

Omni, I'm up late and I will butt in but this once...as to your reply to aceninja:

Jesus as I understand Jesus...
an entropic-extension of Source in the flesh, as are we,
consciously coming to higher order through selfless intention and action.

We are he and he is we and we are all together, now, right now, moreso than ever...
regardless of many things showing deceitfully otherwise.

It is high time for us to personally bring it to fruition in front of us as our 'higher' gifts are shining now and we simply consciously 'decide' to put them to work for all...bringing Individual God Presence here, now, by consistent selfless acts!

[aceninja]

We live in a holographic universe where you exist not only as an absolute you (from your perspective), but you exist infinitely. Image existence as a timeline in a video editing program. Every keyframe is an infinite now. And from the editors perspective you can be viewed from the past, present, or future, through different filters (dimensions) parallel universes etc...

The Creator is the Originator (Father/King/Active/male aspect/Light), who then set forth the creation of the Universe (Mother/Queen/Passive/Female Aspect/Dark), where Creation continues in accordance to the Law. Creation itself (Souls) is the byproduct of The Creator and the Universe's union (husband & wife) and is literally a reflection or image of the Creator (Child/Knight/Free Will/Both Genders/Light + Dark). The presence of opposing forces produces offspring. That offspring or result of opposing forces then matures into its own and earns the right to participate in creation as King/Father. The completion of a creation cycle (Father-Mother-Offspring) opens the gateway to transitioning to a higher octave or new reality.

That is why I mentioned the significance of the Son of Man and the connection to the Holy Universal Spirit. That was a big enough deal to start the calendars over.

YES, the laws of Quantum Mechanics don't change, but the results of the equations change because they are relative to our consciousness, collectively. Our consciousness directly influences inputs into the equations, but the formula/math doesn't change. That is the very very basic premise to how a person can bi-locate, pass through matter, influence electricity, and many other "super-human" abilities ( I believe).

YES, I could be completely wrong about the correlation between Christ and the Holy Spirit's arrival.... however, if you do read about it you will note how the catholic church is structured with respect to communicating with God. Across the globe, tribal people have talked to the spirit world through shamans who were supposedly the conduit between worlds, so there is precedent set on on how humans have traditionally communicated with God. I believe it wasn't until after the Son of Man, did humanity gain that little small voice that guides us to the right path. Before then, we relied on Angels, signs, and the priesthood.

The LAW of the universe is constant, but how we interpret the truth is open to change because of our consciousness. The truth and the Law are not always synonymous. For example: 2 different ET races share conflicting stores about the Earth quarantine across a 30 year span. It may not mean, race #1 is lying and #2 is telling truth... The quarantine may have been in affect when the first message was shared but things changed by the time the next message came through. That is the problem with forming dogma around these topics, in my opinion. That is an example of the truth being relative (0 and 1 depending on where the perceiver is relative to time).

Those are just my views on the topic :D

[annacherie]

If God expresses as patterns.... where does chaos fit in? I take an eclectic perspective and tend to seek paradox and metaphor to find meaning thus am not readily given to dogma from most any religion except for taoist philosophy...but i've been reading Clarissa Pinkola Estes "UNtie the Strong Woman" and tho there appears much of t he same old shame based teachings rooted in her Catholic style I am discovering that g(G)od can be accessed through archetypal venues-if humans express archetypal patterns in a sort of 4th diimensional manner than maybe perception of god expresses archetypally in a sort of 5th dimensional level. Readiing this book I am able too see "God" as "Mother" (knowing this is only one of many patterns but one my particular personality can access whilst still understanding it is just a pattern....a frequency i can resonate to....-perhaps the "Mother" is such a clear path to the heart..

[Baby Steps]

God respects our free will, so one would have to go looking for him.that does not preclude a 3d atheist ascending to 5d, and experiencing a geometric expansion of consciousness and a sense of the all, and wondering about this growth. If this is where I am progressing to where is the ultimate destination? Could it be unity with the all?

So that question follows us as we progress but IMO the universe does not force an answer, again free will paramount
God bless

[Citizen No2]

I have always thought that God is within, we are our own personal Jesus.

Receive and transmit.

Good day Avalonians.

[betoobig]

Great idea Omni... a worldwide first contact with God, all at a time will really change things but i have to agree with the idea "eyes to see and ears to hear"... that doesn´t mean "being prepared".... we are allways ready for good things...the ones who are not prepared are the evil forces and never will...
Thanks for this wild idea.

Love

[justntime2learn]

Omni, I was raised Catholic and left the church for reasons that I don't have to explain on this forum lol. I find it difficult to believe there is one all-seeing being that will one day present himself globally. If something like this were to occur I would be more inclined to believe it was something like project blue beam or something similar.

My interpretation of God has changed greatly through the years and at this time as well as some time I believe that God is creation in itself. Prime creator is creation.
Love & Light <3

[Deega]

Thanks Omni, interesting Thread! First, I would start by trying to define what do we mean by "God"?, is it our ET creator?, is it a more sublime invisible being?, is it electromagnetic forces with a structure "loving, caring" apps?, may it be the different energies (Air, Water, Sun, Earth) that have us living?, or a more subtle energy like the Aether, Dark Energy?, or a composition of all mentioned..?

For a lack of a better definition that I would like to offer, I think that the gods who created us (Anton Parks Works) were from Sirius, Orion!, does he (Anton Park) hold the truth, I don't really know! Would I care to have a "Global First Contact with these Gods?", Yes!, sure!, but it's very important that we prepared ourself for it! Those ETs had a similar mentality as we have, and some of their leaders were completely indifferent to "Adam and Eve" life!

The best to everyone!

[WhiteLove]

Even the term God becomes a limitation when dealing with a force of this kind. God is total love isness, infinite, unconditional and boundless. I have been in first hand contact/have had a glimpse in a very strong very different real kind of dream, and have connected to a light bright ball in the sky in this life that came to me, which I do not know what it was but it came totally unexpected and felt unreal it was an aha moment of the greatest kind, it happened through prayer to Jesus for a sign that there are UFOs/ETs out there (the only time I have asked Jesus for that kind of thing), so if it was Jesus responding like that then I have had first hand contact. This of course made me realise the power of prayer in a very profound kind of way, it changed my life forever. It is a very peaceful, happy and overwhelming feeling to experience the truth in that way, I hope you will experience something similar!!

[ulli]

These words are from the Wingmaker materials and I found them to be close to what I believe..


"I am the ancestral father of all creation. I am a personality that lives inside each of you as a vibration that emanates from all parts of your existence. I reside in this dimension as your beacon. If you follow this vibration, if you place it at the core of your journey, you will contact my personality that lives beneath the particles of your existence.
I am not to be feared or held in indifference. My presence is immediate, tangible, and real.

You are now in my presence. Hear my words. You are in my presence. You are within me more than I am within you. You are the veneer of my mind and heart, and yet you think yourself the product of an ape. You are so much more than you realise.

Our union was, is, and will be forevermore. You are my blessed offspring with whom I am intricately connected in means that you cannot understand and therefore appreciate. You must suspend your belief and disbelief in what you cannot sense, in exchange for your knowing that I am real and live within you. This is my central message to all my offspring. Hear it well, for in it you may find the place in which I dwell."

[Wind]

I was about to post this quote to my thread, but maybe it will fit here.

You are the sun in drag.

You are God hiding from yourself.

Remove all the “mine” – that is the veil.

Why ever worry about

Anything?

Listen to what your friend Hafiz

Knows for certain:

The appearance of this world

Is a Magi’s brilliant trick, though its affairs are

Nothing into nothing.

You are a divine elephant with amnesia

Trying to live in an ant

Hole.

Sweetheart, O sweetheart

You are God in

Drag!

~ Hafiz

http://www.angelfire.com/ms/bluelin/images/Img0022.jpg

[ulli]

And this is the voice of God as presented by the Baha'i prophet Baha'u'llah:

"Know thou of a truth that the seeker must, at the beginning of his quest for God, enter the Garden of Search.
In this journey it behoveth the wayfarer to detach himself from all save God and to close his eyes to all that is in the heavens and on the earth.
There must not linger in his heart either the hate or the love of any soul,
to the extent that they would hinder him from attaining the habitation of the celestial Beauty.

He must sanctify his soul from the veils of glory and refrain from boasting of such worldly vanities, outward knowledge,
or other gifts as God may have bestowed upon him.

He must search after the truth to the utmost of his ability and exertion...."

[earthdreamer]

Philip K. Dick wrote some mind-blowing esoteric content regarding the nature of a cosmological Creator, a lengthy essay linked here from Montalk's site:



http://montalk.net/cosmogony.html


"Cosmogony and Cosmology" (1978) by Philip K. Dick

(excerpt)

"As to our reality being a projected framework -- it appears to be a projection by an artifact, a computerlike teaching machine that guides, programs, and generally controls us as we act without awareness of it within our projected world. The artifact, which I call Zebra, has "created" (actually only projected) our reality as a sort of mirror or image of its maker, so that the maker can obtain thereby an objective standpoint to comprehend its own self. In other words, the maker (called by Jakob Bohme in 1616 the Urgrund) is motivated to seek an instrument for self-awareness, self-knowledge, an objective opinion or appraisal and comprehension of the nature of itself (it is a vast living organism, intrinsically -- without this mirror -- without qualities or aspects, which is why it needs the empirical world as a reflection by which to "see" itself).

It constructed a reality-projecting artifact (or demiurge; cf. Plato and the Gnostics), which then, on command, projected the first stage of the world we know. The artifact is unaware that it is an artifact; it is oblivious to the existence of the Urgrund (in terms that the artifact would understand, the Urgrund is not, rather than is), and imagines itself to be God, the only real God.

Studying our evolving reality, the Urgrund more and more adequately comprehends itself. It must allow the reality-projecting artifact to continue to project an evolving reality no matter how defective and malshaped that reality is (during its stages) until finally that reality is a correct analog, truly, of the Urgrund itself, at which point the disparity between the Urgrund and the projected reality is abolished -- whereupon an astonishing event will occur: The artifact or demiurge will be destroyed and the Urgrund will assimilate the projected reality, transmuting it into something ontologically real -- and also making the living creatures in it immortal. This moment could come at any time, this entrance of the Urgrund into our otherwise spurious projected framework. "



Anyway, more fodder.

[Rocky_Shorz]

first contact with God, let me think for a moment...

would a physical meeting with an angel with wings count as first contact?

Or is the Holy Ghost considered God, I still remember my first meeting with her...

Was it visiting the Golden Gates in Nirvana and meeting Jesus?

or was it when I was called forward for my first meeting with the big Guy?

The Holy Ghost guided me in for the meeting in the Great Hall, she walked up and stood by God, I'm 6'4 and only came to his knee...

Jesus was between us for that meeting...

[Omni]

Ok, so what I am getting is those who believe in God think a global first contact with God is unreasonable because God is a personal thing.. Am I right there? So who does God actually speak to if he is a conscious being? Seems to me it would be reasonable to conclude that if God is a conscious being who actually talks to people etc, that we would indeed have a global first contact with God. I feel it doesn't resonate with people, and maybe it is because there is no God that is a conscious being. I feel humans do innately have some sort of connection to the truth but it isn't definitive. That is why a lot of disinformations are sourced to be derivatives of the truth, or related to truth in some way(not counting the truth that is mixed in). At least I have come to find that in disinformation at times.

Upon trying to simulate to myself how I would think about this topic if I was a believer in a conscious being that speaks to people as God, I come up with these thoughts:

Much like global first contact with extraterrestrials, there would have to be a set of triggers that take place before a global first contact with God. It seems to me the idea of a conscious person being the creator of all things is slowly becoming less popular, and more atheists and agnostics are around then there used to be... I have no idea what the triggers for God contacting earth would be, but it would certainly have a profound effect on our world.

Is it reasonable in the eyes of God, a conscious being believers to say that Angels have contact with God? If that is true, then global first contact with extraterrestrials(AKA Angels) would also be the global first contact with God...

[BF88]

Regardless of peoples belief systems of the nature of god, how would such an event take place? Would one being just appear and say hello everyone, guess who? If so can you imagine the same reaction from everyone/thing or would there be negative/neutral/positive reactions?(causing more problems!) Would it come in the form of an individual connection with everyone and everything? If so, well, it more or less already has happened just people notice it in different ways or argue about how one should proceed with such a connection/ the message that was left behind.

If such an event were to happen then I would assume a being of such greatness would know the best method and the best time to do it, perhaps already has just in a way that human beings can not directly see. I don't believe any kind of overt global connection will happen unless it was permanent and somehow easily accessible by all so as to not make the mistakes of the past such as leaving a message that will be argued over or misinterpreted.

One would really have to have a clear idea of what God is first than contact with anything. Is God one being or a state of being? etc.

[Deega]

Hey thanks Omni, here’s a few comments.


Ok, so what I am getting is those who believe in God think a global first contact with God is unreasonable because God is a personal thing.. Am I right there?

I happen to meet God creation (multiple forms) every second, though, I’m not sure if it’s God himself! I know that I don’t have the staying power to meet God, as a flash of Light, as a visible/invisible being closing on me, a sudden burst of wind followed by a coming of a God like creator, etc. Since, I’m not at the same level to God, how may I overcome my inferiority in his presence? But, I sure would love to have a Global First contact with God!, though, I would need to psyche up a lot!


So who does God actually speak to if he is a conscious being? Seems to me it would be reasonable to conclude that if God is a conscious being who actually talks to people etc, that we would indeed have a global first contact with God. I feel it doesn't resonate with people, and maybe it is because there is no God that is a conscious being. I feel humans do innately have some sort of connection to the truth but it isn't definitive. That is why a lot of disinformations are sourced to be derivatives of the truth, or related to truth in some way(not counting the truth that is mixed in). At least I have come to find that in disinformation at times.

It seems that the power of God is infinite, he can be a conscious being, and be also an unconscious one (be there anyhow). God don’t have to respond to challenges, challenges are a thing that humans thrived on! God is here, there, everywhere, but we don’t have a particular innate sense (like our senses) to communicate directly. We have the leisure to ask continuous favor to God, but, he has no need to respond directly to anyone, I think!


Is it reasonable in the eyes of God, a conscious being believers to say that Angels have contact with God? If that is true, then global first contact with extraterrestrials(AKA Angels) would also be the global first contact with God...

Yes, I do believe so!

The best to you!

[Maia Gabrial]

Ever since my experience of separating into 3 other parts of myself, my physical body being the least of them, I knew that I didn't end there that I continued even higher (and lower) than that.Probably to infinity. Afterall, the Great Body we reside in is beyond our imaginations in size.... Wasn't it George Kavassillas that said that we are all universes?

To say that we make first contact with God would mean to know our true selves.

[Sunny-side-up]

I haven't read all the reply's to this great post yet but, diving in:
Personally I think we all have contact every day, we are just not consciously aware of it, it runs through the fabric of our existence!

First contact of a conscious level I think only happens to humans of higher vibration levels, we are lower!

But have those higher moments ;)

[DeeMetrios]

very confusing topic Omniverse ......

[Sharkdaddy]

Thank you, Ulli. Amazingly well said.
The Bible teaches that "The presence of God is within us". My search for God begins and ends within myself. It is difficult to conceptualize God as a physical or spiritual presence. But look around you at The Creation - it is everywhere, and we are all a part of it. I don't think all of this "just happened".
I think it is best to lay your prejudices down, keep your senses, your heart, and your mind open and keep looking-but from within. The vibration is there.
IMHO- Sharkdaddy.
Peace and love!