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chancy
14th January 2015, 00:45
Hello Everyone:
Came across this article about Free Trade and other agreements Canada has made in the past and recently. Free trade means to Canadians that we got bought off with no reciprocal deal for the people of Canada. Our government officials gave the farm and the country away just to get more foreign investment into Canada without getting much in return.
There was a a documentary that someone put in avalon awhile back. Can't remember the name of it but it stated the easiest way for a country to take over another country without shooting a bullet was "free trade" It gives the country that controls the free trade agreement with complete access to the countries natural resources, wholesale, retail trade and much more. Basically the country that agrees to the deal gets nothing worth talking about.
Easiest way to check this out is look at Nafta between Canada and the usa.
chancy


Here's the link:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/canada-energy-superpower-world-colony-192522320.html

Here's the article:

Canada - From energy superpower to world colony
CBCCBC – 5 hours ago January 13, 2015

Canada is embarking on a series of free trade deals with China, the EU and with Pacific countries, but the silence on the subject of these agreements is deafening.

There is a stark contrast between the level — and volume — of debate about Canada’s free trade deals today and the original Canada-US Free Trade Agreement in 1988.

An election was fought on that free trade deal, but today Canada has signed FIPA— a free trade deal with China — with not much more than a whimper, and other deals are in the offing.

Politicians across the political spectrum are jumping on the bandwagon: the Conservatives, NDP and Liberals all support the Canada EU Free Trade deal. This political group-think means these deals aren’t getting the public scrutiny they desperately need.

Free trade? Really?

Free trade cheerleaders love to portray critics as economic naifs who just don’t understand the wonders of free trade.

But ever since the original US-Canada FTA, these deals have often been so lopsided they can’t be called “free trade” at all.

In both the US-FTA deal and the China-FIPA agreement, Canada surrendered full access to its markets without getting access to US and Chinese markets in return.

This leaves Canada with nothing left to bargain away to actually achieve free trade with China or the US. With China, it’s not as if there will be a chance to renegotiate: while NAFTA has a six-month cancellation clause, FIPA’s 31-year term means it doesn’t expire until 2045.

Consumers are often warned about sales pitches that sound just too good to be true, but that is just the way the Canada-EU Free Trade deal is being sold to Canadians: as a huge economic opportunity.

Is this even the same EU we’ve been reading about for nearly a decade? The economic basket case wracked by non-stop currency and debt crises, grinding austerity and pockets of youth unemployment over 50 per cent?

Net loser

Number crunchers suggest Canada will be a net loser in the EU deal.

One single concession by Canada — caving in to the demands of European pharmaceutical companies for longer patent protections — will cost us more in higher drug prices than the benefits for every other Canadian business sector combined.

In exchange, Canada will allow European companies to bid on municipal and provincial services currently delivered by public employees and scrap agricultural “supply management” in dairy — even though, as Stephen Harper himself said in 2006, it is just about the only sector of Canadian agriculture where farmers are making money.

One supposed benefit of allowing China, the US and the EU so much access is that they can bring foreign investment to Canada, creating growth and jobs.

But plenty of “foreign investment” isn’t new at all: new owners are buying an existing, profitable company. Alcan and Tim Hortons were snapped up by Brazilian companies, and Nexen, an oil company, was purchased by a Chinese state-owned oil company.

Money for nothing

Many economists and politicians don’t seem to care about where ownership and management live: but it should be obvious, especially in an era of incredible CEO pay, that it makes a difference as to whether or not Canadians do the gruntwork while the profits and performance bonuses all leave the country.

One of the most controversial aspects of these free trade agreements is the “Investor-State Dispute Settlement” (ISDS), which was first included in NAFTA. The ISDS is something quite extraordinary. It essentially creates a new right for foreign corporations: the right to have their profits guaranteed by government.

There are two ways it works. One is that it tends to create a “ratcheting effect,” making it easy for governments to degrade labour and environmental regulations but hard to improve them, if it reduces corporate profits.

But the other is that the “dispute settlement” is a tiny international tribunal that can, by decree, order governments and Canadian taxpayers to compensate corporations for lost profits.

This is not free trade, or free enterprise: it is a business model of permanent government bailout, with taxpayers ensuring a steady stream of dividends for shareholders and bonuses for executives. Economists call this kind of deal “rent-seeking” — a polite way of saying “getting money for nothing.”

In The Globe and Mail, Gus Van Harten, a Law Professor at Osgoode Hall wrote that, “several countries have faced catastrophic awards under these treaties, the arbitrators have steadily grown their role, investors increasingly sue developed states and the amounts at stake have escalated to tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars.”

When he was first elected, Stephen Harper boasted Canada would become an “energy superpower.” With no pipelines being built and the price of oil dipping below $50, that goal is in doubt.

Instead, we are pursuing free trade deals that strip citizens and governments of political power while guaranteeing returns for the benefit of idle absentee owners. A country like that is usually called “a colony.”

Canadians deserve a debate about just what kind of country we intend to be, and whether we want the world as our customer — or as our landlord.

Dougald Lamont is a Winnipeg writer and former Manitoba Liberal leadership candidate

DeDukshyn
14th January 2015, 01:10
I find this whole topic rather interesting ... especially the oil prices phenomenon ... thanks for the article.

Karma Ninja
14th January 2015, 02:41
It's like we are being set up for the big switch. When the world economy flips to a BRICS dominated influence, Canada will become cheap production labour for their rise. While our standard of living falls as well. It's an evening of the field. Could mean for some shifty and unstable times here and I can only hope the unaware won't be too shellshocked once we all realize it's happened. IF we all realize, most might just to be too busy watching the big screen on the wall.

Canada has so many natural resources in every sector. (minerals and metals, lumber, agriculture, hydro power, oceans and fisheries, etc...and amazing people!) We should be a world power. No Canadian should go without and we could feed the world. Strange how its all been given away. The world is a bizarre place. :-)

Tyy1907
14th January 2015, 04:11
It's like we are being set up for the big switch. When the world economy flips to a BRICS dominated influence, Canada will become cheap production labour for their rise. While our standard of living falls as well. It's an evening of the field. Could mean for some shifty and unstable times here and I can only hope the unaware won't be too shellshocked once we all realize it's happened. IF we all realize, most might just to be too busy watching the big screen on the wall.

Canada has so many natural resources in every sector. (minerals and metals, lumber, agriculture, hydro power, oceans and fisheries, etc...and amazing people!) We should be a world power. No Canadian should go without and we could feed the world. Strange how its all been given away. The world is a bizarre place. :-)

Heard someone from the oil patch say that if oil production stopped, Canada would be able to go 8 or 10 months till we ran out. The US would last 30+ years. Mr. Stephen Harper catering to the US of course

chancy
14th January 2015, 04:11
It's like we are being set up for the big switch. When the world economy flips to a BRICS dominated influence, Canada will become cheap production labour for their rise. While our standard of living falls as well. It's an evening of the field. Could mean for some shifty and unstable times here and I can only hope the unaware won't be too shellshocked once we all realize it's happened. IF we all realize, most might just to be too busy watching the big screen on the wall.

Canada has so many natural resources in every sector. (minerals and metals, lumber, agriculture, hydro power, oceans and fisheries, etc...and amazing people!) We should be a world power. No Canadian should go without and we could feed the world. Strange how its all been given away. The world is a bizarre place. :-)

Hello Karma Ninja and everyone:

Yes, it's true that we are a resource country and we are literally giving all our resources away!

I was in China a few years back and went through a door factory. I knew the owners and we were talking very straight about the business since they only had about 4-8 employees in a huge plant as big as 1-2 wally worlds in size. I asked where they were getting the wood and they told me BC and Alberta. I asked if they were making a profit and they told me that after all expenses they were making a 400 % mark up. They had really no labor cost because everything was automated.

The question that they really wanted to know from me was: "why don't you build a plant like this right by the forests where we get this beautiful lumber?"

I couldn't answer the questions because I don't have an answer for this.

( I tried building a plant and spent years trying to jump through all the beauracracy(democracy). I finally quit even though we had the product to run in the plant from our own farm. We had the land, the building, the equipment, the knowledge, the funds and we still couldn't do it)

So much for democracy...I mean beauracracy.......
When it's 1,000,000 percent easier to build a plant in China than Canada there is a HUGE problem. China has alot of beaucracy but nothing like Canada. Ours is just hidden where in China or any other country is right out in the open and you either deal with it or don't do the deal.

chancy

Karma Ninja
14th January 2015, 04:30
It's like we are being set up for the big switch. When the world economy flips to a BRICS dominated influence, Canada will become cheap production labour for their rise. While our standard of living falls as well. It's an evening of the field. Could mean for some shifty and unstable times here and I can only hope the unaware won't be too shellshocked once we all realize it's happened. IF we all realize, most might just to be too busy watching the big screen on the wall.

Canada has so many natural resources in every sector. (minerals and metals, lumber, agriculture, hydro power, oceans and fisheries, etc...and amazing people!) We should be a world power. No Canadian should go without and we could feed the world. Strange how its all been given away. The world is a bizarre place. :-)

Hello Karma Ninja and everyone:

Yes, it's true that we are a resource country and we are literally giving all our resources away!

I was in China a few years back and went through a door factory. I knew the owners and we were talking very straight about the business since they only had about 4-8 employees in a huge plant as big as 1-2 wally worlds in size. I asked where they were getting the wood and they told me BC and Alberta. I asked if they were making a profit and they told me that after all expenses they were making a 400 % mark up. They had really no labor cost because everything was automated.

The question that they really wanted to know from me was: "why don't you build a plant like this right by the forests where we get this beautiful lumber?"

I couldn't answer the questions because I don't have an answer for this.

( I tried building a plant and spent years trying to jump through all the beauracracy(democracy). I finally quit even though we had the product to run in the plant from our own farm. We had the land, the building, the equipment, the knowledge, the funds and we still couldn't do it)

So much for democracy...I mean beauracracy.......
When it's 1,000,000 percent easier to build a plant in China than Canada there is a HUGE problem. China has alot of beaucracy but nothing like Canada. Ours is just hidden where in China or any other country is right out in the open and you either deal with it or don't do the deal.

chancy

Thanks for sharing that story. It really shows how ridiculous it is that all of our manufacturing was shipped out of country years ago. I have driven from Prince George right into Vancouver and all over the Alberta side of the Rockies. There is no shortage of trees. We have plenty more in Ontario and Quebec.

I am only guessing but I would wager it is cheaper to cut all the wood, load it onto cargo ships and haul it to China, then process it and reship the finished goods to Canada, than it is to do all the same labour in Canada. Shipping or no shipping you can't underbid dirt cheap, slave labour. All for profit.

Don't look away though, the Chinese Socialist style of governance is the next thing they will ship over. Once we replace our Fascist Totalitarian dictatorships for Chinese style slave driven socialism and Totalitarian Economics. The switch will be complete.

Gaia
14th January 2015, 21:52
I wanted to add the following points regarding the free trade agreements and Canadian energy/oil :

Canada has so alienated his energy sovereignty in a province like Alberta can not apply its energy law, which prohibits the export of its natural gas until it has a reserve demonstrated 15 years, which is not the case. Canadians should deprive 8 million to 31 million barrels of oil to supply the United States if that country invoked the clause of "proportionality" included in NAFTA. The application of this clause in case of natural gas supply crisis all the more likely in the short term that Alberta has only eight years of proven reserves, they say would require Canada to maintain 51,5% of its supplies to the Americans, depriving Canadians of a commodity for now dilapidated particularly in oil sands production to roll large SUVs of our southern neighbors.;)

"Canada is not an energy superpower," as claimed by PM Stephen Harper as its energy decisions have no weight in international geopolitics. Canada is an "energy colony" of the United States since he is obliged to guarantee them a constant supply for life, if we have important reserves or when NAFTA will be questioned.

Thank for this article Chancy.

ks4ever
15th January 2015, 00:01
Be warned!!!
There is no such thing as a "FREE TRADE AGREEMENT", just TRADE ARRANGEMENTS which are usually of little benefit to the smaller country.