The Truth about Soy ....CINDERELLA'S DARK SIDE

[heyokah]

I posted about this on the "If chicken could speak" thread, but think it deserves it's own thread,
as more and more people use soy products as substitute for meat and diary.

It has been found that soy - far from having the magical, health-giving properties that the alternative medicine brigade endlessly bangs on about - can actually be bad for you.


Traditionally fermented soy products make a delicious, natural seasoning that may supply important nutritional factors in the Asian diet.
But except in times of famine, Asians consume soy products only in small amounts, as condiments, and not as a replacement for animal foods - with one exception.
Celibate monks living in monasteries and leading a vegetarian lifestyle find soy foods quite helpful because they dampen libido.

CINDERELLA'S DARK SIDE

Soy contains high quantities of various toxic chemicals, which cannot be fully destroyed even by the long cooking process.
These are: phytates, which block the body's uptake of minerals;
enzyme inhibitors, which hinder protein digestion;
and haemagluttin, which causes red blood cells to clump together and inhibits oxygen take-up and growth.
Most controversially of all, soy contains high levels of the phytoestrogens (also known as isoflavones) genistein and daidzein, which mimic and sometimes block the hormone oestrogen.

http://www.karinya.com/soydangers.htm

Jane Phillimore addresses some of the concerns raised by new research

http://www.the7thfire.com/health_and_nutrition/truth_about_soy.html

[conk]

I remember growing up hearing older people talk about soy being 'poison'. People knew not to eat any soy that was not fermented.

I cringe when I see soy infant formula in the grocery. Poor children, being fed a damaging food.

[Solphilos]

Yep, I had to learn this the hard way after binging on soy-milk every day for several weeks. :whistle: Never thought it would put me in the hospital!

It's too bad so many vegans, vegetarians and others take all of the hype and reputed benefits at face-value, and ignore the actual science and studies done on soy products that prove it's toxicity. Some things are too good to be true.

Also, since when do actual health-foods become so popular, so promoted in movies, T.V. shows and popular magazines? That fact alone was my first clue that something is indeed up with soy.

[Peace of Mind]

Wow, what a coincedence, I just wrote something about this in another topic " if a chicken could talk", Soy was never meant to be eating. Not many Vegans are aware of this...just like most meat eaters aren't aware of the damage they cause either...

Each one teach one...

Peace

[Mu2143]

The hole media hype to confuse people who are vegan (or/and) does who wanted to stop eating meat to look for an alternative for meat is to control people's diet, so they can feed you just another poison.
First of all we aren't meat eaters its a belief and an addiction.
if you can't stop eating meat you are addicted to it and the reaction you get is like that of drug addict. This I've experienced my self when just one day after a long time detox , my body simple rejected the meat.
What I don't understand with people who think you need to look for alternative for meat when you cook the dam thing to death an call it nutritional ???
Death food does not feed you !!!!I could have replaced it with air !!!

[shiva777]

FERMENTED ORGANIC soy is great and a good source of protein from what I have researched and experienced after eating it regularly for decades...there is much conflicting research on soy but there are many people who live to ripe old ages and eat lots of it

The movie that started it all! The Meatrix (www.themeatrix.com) spoofs The Matrix films and highlights the problems with factory farming. Instead of Keanu Reeves, The Meatrix stars a young pig, Leo, who lives on a pleasant family farm... he thinks. Leo is approached by a trenchcoat-clad cow, Moopheus, and joins him on a journey to learn more about what goes on behind closed barn doors at factory farms. The Meatrix was created and produced by Sustainable Table (www.sustainabletable.org) and Free Range Studios (www.freerangestudios.com).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEkc70ztOrc&feature=share

[Solphilos]

First of all we aren't meat eaters its a belief and an addiction.


Not to continue to go off topic, but I have to once again step up in defense of meat consumers.
You can't speak for the whole human race here mate. I eat meat, how am I not a meat eater? In fact, the majority of the people on this planet eat meat. It's not a belief, it's a reality.
And addiction? Sure, I'm certain it is in most cases. All that becomes habit and ritual has the potential to become an addiction, so you're right on that one.

The human body is an interesting device, as it can survive, thrive and flourish on a wide variety of diets and foods. It's not accurate to use such general terms such as 'humans are meant to eat meat/humans are not supposed to eat meat'. We all have different needs and we all have access to certain types of food.
What may be healthy and available to one person or culture could detrimental to the health of another. The trick is to know your body, be aware and conscious at all times of what you are eating and make the best choices you feel to be right for you.

[Solphilos]

FERMENTED ORGANIC soy is great and a good source of protein from what I have researched and experienced after eating it regularly for decades...there is much conflicting research on soy but there are many people who live to ripe old ages and eat lots of it


I think that's the issue. Most people believe that in general soy is unconditionally healthy, and don't understand that traditionally it is fermented soy products that have been consumed.
For over 6 years I've eaten tofu on an almost daily basis with no issues, and it wasn't until I started drinking soy-milk that I started experiencing illness.

[Agape]

Much of anything /regularly is not good for health , depends also what each persons digestive system tolerates .

What can pass the test of being chief source of proteins and energy for one may not be quite digestive to the other.
Human organism is somewhat linked ( no matter how awakened you feel you are ) to the lineage of your ancestors. Were they mostly hunters ? Were they nomads who fed on diary products and wheat ? Did they live in north with long winters and small crops ? Did they live in tropical areas with plenty of fruits, leaves and seeds ?

It somewhat determines , what is your real liking = appetite for things, even in the case when you strive to eat healthy . It determines how much resourceful fat your organism tends to accumulate and what is it able to digest better.
It may predispose you with allergies to certain products .

I'd say little of everything but nothing alone in large quantities is nourishing for body, mind and spirit .

Dispositions and indispositions , often showing up themselves as habits, can be challenged , changed, by simply changing those habits over period of years untill the cause of the illnesss disappears and one of the signs is that craving for certain type of foods goes as well.

I've seen people habitually dependant on almost anything , in western culture it unfortunatelly tends to be meat. When people try to replace dependance on milk or meat to 'something lighter',
the amount of food and craving still stays with them, for years..

The old Yoga teachings say it takes about 7 years before all of your cells and organism is able to renew itself. Even if you have the brightest spiritual experience on the Day 1 and are good ever after, it still takes time before you start feeling different, looking different and experience yourself wholy 'from the core'.

It's only easy if you have good luck and are born to family with healthy and enlightened life style and adopt discrimination , subtle tastes and feeling for what healthy is, as a youngster. For older people it tends to be more difficult and there comes the daily struggle ..


When people stop eating milk or meat and try to replace it all with anything from potatoes to soya to chocolate to seafood and so on..it's likely that your organism, on cellular level , sais 'no' and creates allergens.
It does not want one type of food and chemical reaction, out of sudden , for the other.

All we feed on, in big amounts is toxic . Muscular work creates toxins, neural transmission and subsequent death of neurons create toxins, digestion of anything from outer system except clean water perhaps, creates toxins.

That's why balancing food, refining tastes and drinking enough good water becomes important for the body to get of rid of those everyday.


Personally, I am not too fond of soya products, certainly not eating them everyday. Little soya sauce does no harm , soya burger once upon a time is a change for taste but I feel a bit sick if I'd eat more than necessary.



:alien:

[Mu2143]

Not to continue to go off topic, but I have to once again step up in defense of meat consumers.
You can't speak for the whole human race here mate. I eat meat, how am I not a meat eater? In fact, the majority of the people on this planet eat meat. It's not a belief, it's a reality.

So you think because your eating meat your a meat eater?well that's a belief and because of that it has become a reality.
Eating something you do not require does not define your a meat eater. What you require to live healthy is what defines the food type not because your just eating it!

What I also do not understand that you seem to forgot what really happened here and what our true history is all the information is out there that tells us that we as a race (this form) never was a meat eating race and we all know that the reptilian race is the one who have introduced it to us!!!

[heyokah]

Thank you, Agape, for your post.
I fully agree with what you are saying here.

As for the soy/ tofu/ tempeh etc.... I don't like the taste, smell nor the texture and as I have a
histamine intolerance I can't eat any soy products anyway, since they are real hystamine triggers.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Remember all the great things you heard about olive oil?


Subject: Important, New Information about Olive Oil

Extra-virgin olive oil is a good monounsaturated fat that is also well-known for its health benefits. It's a staple in healthful diets such as Mediterranean-style diets.

However, it's important to realize it is NOT good for cooking. It should really only be used cold, typically drizzled on salads and other food.

Due to its chemical structure and a large amount of unsaturated fats, cooking makes extra-virgin olive oil very susceptible to oxidative damage. However, during this interview I learned that extra-virgin olive oil has a significant draw-back even when used cold – it's still extremely perishable!

As it turns out, extra-virgin olive oil contains chlorophyll that accelerates decomposition and makes the oil go rancid rather quickly.

In fact, Dr. Merck actually prefers using almost tasteless, semi-refined olive oil rather than extra-virgin olive oil for this reason.

If you're like most people, you're probably leaving your bottle of olive oil right on the counter, opening and closing it multiple times a week. Remember, any time the oil is exposed to air and/or light, it oxidizes, and as it turns out, the chlorophyll in extra virgin olive oil accelerates the oxidation of the unsaturated fats.

Clearly, consuming spoiled oil (of any kind) will likely do more harm than good.

To protect the oil, Dr. Merck recommends treating it with the same care as you would other sensitive omega-3 oils:

* Keep in a cool, dark place
* Purchase smaller bottles rather than larger to ensure freshness
* Immediately replace the cap after each pour

To help protect extra virgin olive oil from oxidation, Dr. Merck suggests putting one drop of astaxanthin into the bottle. You can purchase astaxanthin, which is an extremely potent antioxidant, in soft gel capsules. Just prick it with a pin and squeeze the capsule into the oil.

The beautiful thing about using astaxanthin instead of another antioxidant such as vitamin E, is that it is naturally red, whereas vitamin E is colorless, so you can tell the oil still has astaxanthin in it by its color.

As the olive oil starts to pale in color, you know it's time to throw it away.

You can also use one drop of lutein in your olive oil. Lutein imparts an orange color and will also protect against oxidation. Again, once the orange color fades, your oil is no longer protected against rancidity and should be tossed.

This method is yet another reason for buying SMALL bottles. If you have a large bottle, you may be tempted to keep it even though it has begun to oxidize.

The Worst Cooking Oils of All

Polyunsaturated fats are the absolute WORST oils to use when cooking because these omega-6-rich oils are highly susceptible to heat damage.

This category includes common vegetable oils such as:

* Corn
* Soy
* Safflower
* Sunflower
* Canola

Damaged omega-6 fats are disastrous to your health, and are responsible for far more health problems than saturated fats ever were.

Trans fat is the artery-clogging, highly damaged omega-6 polyunsaturated fat that is formed when vegetable oils are hardened into margarine or shortening.

I strongly recommend never using margarine or shortening when cooking. I guarantee you you're already getting far too much of this damaging fat if you consume any kind of processed foods, whether it be potato chips, pre-made cookies, or microwave dinners...

Trans fat is the most consumed type of fat in the US, despite the fact that there is no safe level of trans fat consumption, according to a report from the Institute of Medicine.

Trans fat raises your LDL (bad cholesterol) levels while lowering your HDL (good cholesterol) levels, which of course is the complete opposite of what you want. In fact, trans fats -- as opposed to saturated fats -- have been repeatedly linked to heart disease. They can also cause major clogging of your arteries, type 2 diabetes and other serious health problems.

Personally I don't cook very much but when I do I use our Pure Virgin Coconut Oil as it is the most resistant to heating damage, but also a great source of medium chained triglycerides and lauric acid.

So, cleaning these oils out of your kitchen cupboard is definitely recommended if you value your health.

[onawah]

Convincing people that unfermented soy, especially tofu, is bad, is challenging.
However, there is lots of good, documented information on the Net. Dr. Mercola's website is especially good, and Natural News.
Here a just 2 links:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/09/18/soy-can-damage-your-health.aspx
http://www.naturalnews.com/027358_soy_food_nutrients.html

[Solphilos]

So you think because your eating meat your a meat eater?well that's a belief and because of that it has become a reality.
Eating something you do not require does not define your a meat eater. What you require to live healthy is what defines the food type not because your just eating it! Um, yes. A meat eater is by definition one who eats meat. What is so hard to comprehend about that? LOL. If I drive a car am I not a car driver? If I breathe oxygen am I not an oxygen breather? At this moment am I not a computer user? A forum poster? I don't follow your logic here.
And again, there is no argument that many people require meat to remain healthy. This is science, and has an infinite amount of evidence to back it up, unlike your new age delusions.



What I also do not understand that you seem to forgot what really happened here and what our true history is all the information is out there that tells us that we as a race (this form) never was a meat eating race and we all know that the reptilian race is the one who have introduced it to us!!!

Reptilians?!? :twitch: Okay, no more need for debate. :loco:

[heyokah]

Thank you, Rocky Shorz, for this informative post.

Personally I cook with Pure Virgin Coconut Oil and with Ghee ( clarified butter – the butter oil, without the lactose and other milk solids) which is very good to cook in as well.

http://www.mapi.com/ayurveda_health_care/newsletters/ghee_ayurvedic_cooking_oil.html

[Rocky_Shorz]

seems like every time we turn around one of the healthy foods we are eating turns out to be bad...

[heyokah]

seems like every time we turn around one of the healthy foods we are eating turns out to be bad...


Yes. It's frustrating :frusty:

I think a healthy diet is based on three important principles:
balance, variation and moderation

And I have to add to that.... information.
But that's what makes it so frustrating LOL

[Agape]

Thank you, Agape, for your post.
I fully agree with what you are saying here.

As for the soy/ tofu/ tempeh etc.... I don't like the taste, smell nor the texture and as I have a
histamine intolerance I can't eat any soy products anyway, since they are real hystamine triggers.

Thank you for sharing Heyokah ,

If you know that soya products trigger histamine reaction in you, be cautious and don't get yourself deceived by others tempting you to try.

You have to know your own self .

I've had two ( lets say funny, looking back at it ) episodes with shrimps, in my life, never suspected myself having any food allergies .
After returning from my 6 year 'heavenly' meditation retreat in monastery,
I could not eat any warm food , no explanation, it just happened ..
I ate bread and butter and cheese or buscuits and milk tea, fruits, sometimes tofu, tomatoes , cake , what else ? Can't recall.

And..somehow it was enough and I had few pounds more than I do now.

However...about a third day of showing up at home here, I was offered a shrimp salad with bread for dinner and though I just could not look at it,
I felt the rule to follow is : don't offend the host. Ah.

Not only it jumped out of me as if it was still alive but spent next three hours with empty stomach yet horrible nausea forcing me run to bathroom every 5 minutes .
Mum thought I'm hysterical or whatever, I did not know what's happening.


About 3 years later, one sunny afternoon, stupid mischief , I bought myself shrimp salad in supermarket , eat literally two spoons of it, went out to arrange something else..
ended up in emergency ward for that evening. The same reaction. I won't do it again .



Soya is one of common allergens, as much as cow milk is for some people with lactose intolerance.



Human organism is delicate , believe me ?


Oh, I know, some people can eat even airplane , or 56 sausages in two minutes , what does it really make of them, any idea .


There are so many nice things to try :haha:


I like green olives, for example, more than olive oil.

[bluestflame]

indeed independantly assessing the affects(effects?) of specific foods on our own body , muscle testing , dowsing , biofeedback , cos different foods affect different people differently

"know thyself " stuff

[Metaphor]

Oh my god, this thread is starting to be one of those meateater vs vegetarianthreads, can you see where this is going?
Eat whatever feels good for the moment, for both spirit an body.
And do remember that most people here on this earth can´t even get their kids a cup of rice or such. It´s almost that i feel that its immoral to be so anal about food. C´mon people, we aren´t meant for this world anyway. Spend your time figuring out how to leave this sordid place instead.
Btw, i´ve been both veggie and carnivore. Do understand both sides.

[Malcolm Linus]

I've been drinking soya milk every morning for about a year now, and feel just fine about it. I have also been eating many types of other soya products.
"They" told me I would eventually get sick if I continued my vegan lifestyle. Now "they" are telling me that soya products are bad for me.

I guess I'm not a part of the group that was studied, then. And who are "they" anyway? I have tried to discover this many times, but I can't really put a label on them, like "they" like to do with things.

I think the bottom line is, our bodies are different, and react differently. How they are different, I can not tell you. Different genetic make-ups, culture, thought creates reality... Who knows?

Variety is also important, in any diet. Try to eat just meat, and maybe your body will respond in an unpleasant way. Try to eat just celery, and maybe the same will happen. I don't see why vegans are in any more of a risk than anyone else. There are literally thousands of different types of food to choose from, both as a meat-eater and as a vegan. Maybe it was more of an issue when there was not much of a variety in the local supermarkets (I can only imagine.)

[Solphilos]

I've been drinking soya milk every morning for about a year now, and feel just fine about it. I have also been eating many types of other soya products.
"They" told me I would eventually get sick if I continued my vegan lifestyle. Now "they" are telling me that soya products are bad for me.

I guess I'm not a part of the group that was studied, then. And who are "they" anyway? I have tried to discover this many times, but I can't really put a label on them, like "they" like to do with things.

I think the bottom line is, our bodies are different, and react differently. How they are different, I can not tell you. Different genetic make-ups, culture, thought creates reality... Who knows?

Variety is also important, in any diet. Try to eat just meat, and maybe your body will respond in an unpleasant way. Try to eat just celery, and maybe the same will happen. I don't see why vegans are in any more of a risk than anyone else. There are literally thousands of different types of food to choose from, both as a meat-eater and as a vegan. Maybe it was more of an issue when there was not much of a variety in the local supermarkets (I can only imagine.)

Congrats on your fortunate digestive system mate, lol; mine was fine for a while and then one day just could no longer handle all of the soy. Too bad, I love soy milk :biggrin1:

Your correct though, variety is a vital element in any diet. I've always been at my peak health when my diet was as diverse as possible. The human body thrives on not only one particular vitamin, enzyme, protein, fat and mineral, but a wider range of them that are available mostly in a diverse range of foods.

As for Soy being healthy or not, I think it's really up to the individual to decide for him/herself what the truth of the matter is. There are lot's of studies which prove it to be both healthy and detrimental, so when this is the case who are you to believe? Everyone has an agenda, so at this point all we can do is judge for ourselves through experience, as we all know experience trumps theory every time. :thumb:

[Mu2143]

Um, yes. A meat eater is by definition one who eats meat. What is so hard to comprehend about that? LOL. If I drive a car am I not a car driver? If I breathe oxygen am I not an oxygen breather? At this moment am I not a computer user? A forum poster? I don't follow your logic here.
And again, there is no argument that many people require meat to remain healthy. This is science, and has an infinite amount of evidence to back it up, unlike your new age delusions.

That's what happens when your disconnected from your spirit nothing make sense and applying logic with out the spirit results in your own destruction
Maybe I should have kept it simple are your a Destroyer or a Co-Creator?

You mean all the media paper convincing material you call science is just another religion!
You should be careful who you call delusional your the brainwashed mainstream media science believer who is under mind control!!and no I'm not new ages
You seems to forgot that our current science knows less then 4% of whats hidden from us.

Everything what has not been discerned by the spirit from the outside is mindcontrol

[Mu2143]

Reptilians?!? Okay, no more need for debate. No it does not ,because all the info is out there. Did you miss some Project Camelot interviews here!!!

[tone3jaguar]

I have been eating soy meat substitutes for a while now and all it has done to me is allow me to loose weight and get in really good shape. Not buying any of this.

[observer]

If I had the time, I would add my own testimony to this Thread. Maybe some of you would like to read what the experts are saying. Get the book "The Whole Soy Story" by Kaayla T. Daniel. It will open your eyes to real nature of the 'poison' the Global Elite have fed to the world....

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_geneticfood01.htm

http://blog.wholesoystory.com/

[Mu2143]

And not to mention that there 1000 and 1000 of different kinds of veggies and fruits out there we never heard off and there only promoting soy as a meat replacement. And still people are basicely not seeing the light that it might be just another poison they want you to feed. There sick people all around us and there supplying the shops with more poison everyday and not a single supermarket will add all of does healthy foods we only see on the internet and people who have access to this showing it on videos.

Mass media destroying information about Noni fruit(example) here in Holland that it is all a scam and then they feeds us soy products everywhere like drugs and sell you irradiated Noni juice (Small sticker had to look for it) to make you belief the science on TV (health food store that is no longer open and is closed down 2 years ago).
Then still trying to say soy products are healthy are people forgetting something they are trying to slow poison us so you don't noticed it and you never suspect that's the food you eating are the cause of your problem you suddenly get out of no where. It can take years some time to get sick from it.

To add I purchased wild tomato's and used the seed to grow my own and the taste was 10 times better and it should have been growing with out herbicide and pestisides.the difference was like day and night

[heyokah]

What I use as 'meat replacement' is Paneer. It looks a bit like tofu, but has a much firmer structure.
It is "pressed" cheese but it doesn't melt when it is heated

Paneer is an Indian cheese. Paneer is also known as chenna.
It is healthy, and rich in protein.
In Indian cooking paneer is used for making variety of dishes starting with appetizers, spicy curry dishes and desserts.

If you are not able to buy it, you can easily make it yourself



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ1Vfi2Bypg

[heyokah]

Here is another little treat.
Lentil soup called Dahl or Daal, full of protein and it is easy and quick to prepare.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV5lDTll6ig

another way of cooking Dahl even easier and with less ingredients:

http://dairyfreecooking.about.com/od/soupschilistews/r/lentildahl.htm

Enjoy your meal....... without soy but with enough protein :)

[Solphilos]

Ah, you just posted videos of my two favorite dishes. I got hooked with those Amy's microwave dishes, now I cook it myself at least twice a week. Good stuff! :nod:

[conk]

Anyone drinking soy milk should find a good video or article about how it is made. It is a revolting, vile, putrid process and the resulting product is not food. It is a fake product labeled as food.

[onetruth]

I make my own soy milk with (always) organic soya beans and spring water. The beans are simply ground and boiled in a time honoured traditional method. From time to time I make tofu, and produce two portions from a litre and a half of soya milk.

As you pointed out before, soya prepared using traditional methods i.e. miso, shoyu, tempeh, natto and tempeh are traditonally eaten in small quantities and when combined with grain/pulse/vegetable diet are great for adding depth of flavour and variety. They are high in certain nutrients only found in fermented foods, particularly important for those vegetarians who can't or prefer not to eat dairy foods. It's important to find good quality soya products that are organic and produced traditionally, for example miso and shoyu which can be aged/fermented for between 6 months and 5 years.


However I think what you are mainly refering to is the way soy is used in industrialised food production which I totally agree is a major cause for concern. When eating soya in particular and more than any other product ensure it is organic from a reputable source. The soya bean was the first plant to be genetically modified by Monsanto for attempting to swamp the world with round-up ready varieties. Monsanto has been prosecuted extensively for unethical practices leading to the exploitation of poor farmers in the third world. Their murky relationship with the FDA has led to a situation where they seem to be able to do whatever they want, and because they are huge and wealthy, the paltry fines imposed when they are found out make no difference to them whatsoever.

Monsanto is known be using genetic modification extensively to produce it's seeds. As genetic modification has actually produced plants capable of delivering medications such as anti-depressants/tranquilisers, I would rather eat organic soy than trust a GM product so strongly associated with a company that has in the past been proved to be untrustworthy,

[heyokah]

Anyone drinking soy milk should find a good video or article about how it is made. It is a revolting, vile, putrid process and the resulting product is not food. It is a fake product labeled as food.

Here is an article about homemade organic soymilk and how to make it.
I don't drink it, because I don't like the taste of 'raw' soy.
Then I prefer rice milk.
The fermented soy like miso, shoyu and tempeh I like though.

http://veganyumyum.com/2008/05/homemade-organic-soymilk/

[onetruth]

Thanks - really nice page there

If you have any further interest in soya I think this is pretty much the definitive site: SoyInfoCenter (http://www.soyinfocenter.com/HSS/history.php)

It describes itself as the worlds most comprehensive collection of soy information. I've searched quite extensively on the data base, for home made tempeh instructions for example, and also for okara recipes and I was impressed by the sheer range and volume of info on the site ranging from the history of the soy bean around the world to recipes for miso. (Okara by the way is the japanese name for what is left of the beans after the soy milk is squeezed out - don't think we have a name for it ourselves ?).

Personally I found the best thing is to use it in cake making, however I have finally tracked down some tempeh starter here in the uk, so just about to try making tempeh from okara.

As I eat mostly grains and vegs I get excited about the extra bits I use to enhance them which is how I use soy. Just use the milk in baking really (and cappacinos blush - trying to kick the coffee though . . .)

[timerty]

GM foods that are meant to repel insects also creates food allergies that repels humans from them.

[onetruth]

GM foods that are meant to repel insects also creates food allergies that repels humans from them.

Yes, you are absolutely right timerty, Monsanto is the biggest producer of GM food and they can get away with producing food that causes allergies and makes people sick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8s98-zMH3Q) by skimping on the research because of conflicts of interests between Monsanto and the FDS
http://socialsciences.scielo.org/img/revistas/s_esaa/v4nse/a05tab01.gif

[onetruth]

. . . And now rumours of links between Blackwater and Monsanto (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9540-Machines-of-War-Blackwater-Monsanto-and-Bill-Gates) which is imho very likely true . Meanwhile scientific sites are reporting that
(GM) "Crop plants are being used to produce a range of vaccines and drugs including powerful molecules that affect cells of the immune system. The inevitable contamination of our food crops has been uncovered."
Prof Joe Cummins
Institute of Science in Society (http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Pharmingcytokines.php)

I just don't trust them not to mess around with our food, not to mention accidental cross pollination. After all, they got away with it with fluoride didn't they!

I think now more than ever is the time to find out what steps we can take to minimise the risks. I'm not a vegetarian but I don't eat meat cos I spend the extra money it would cost to buy spring water and organic food instead!

[Gone002]

im lactose intolerant and i drink soya milk. if this is the case then what less can i drink :(

[heyokah]

Hallo celt.
You could use organic ricemilk or else drink just water, tea or coffee with your meal.
I never drink milk just as beverage.
Sometimes I take yogurt or milk with crunch for breakfast and I use normal skimmed milk in my cappuccino.
You could use the ricemilk for your oatmeal and coffee.

[chelmostef]

"Anyone drinking soy milk should find a good video or article about how it is made. It is a revolting, vile, putrid process and the resulting product is not food. It is a fake product labeled as food."

-Sounds to me like to me like the production of cows milk. Which I would like to add is actually meant for a baby cow which goes on to eat grass and has four stomachs.

Not to mention all the growth hormones, anti-viral, anti bacterial drugs that are fed to most production milk cows that are then passed on down the food chain.

I have seen some stuff called Oatly. This is made from oats which could be an alternative to cows milk or soy milk, its also quite tasty.

[Gone002]

is ricemilk good for you or is all carb

[heyokah]

Compared to cow's milk, rice milk contains more carbohydrates, but does not contain significant amounts of calcium or protein, and no cholesterol or lactose.
Commercial brands of rice milk, however, are often fortified with vitamins and minerals, including calcium, vitamin B12, vitamin B3, and iron.
While most rice milks do not contain protein and are not a whole grain, Growing Naturals has a patented version which has the same amount of protein as whole milk and is considered a whole grain as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_milk

You can use organic oat milk .
Oat milk is made from oat groats (hulled grain broken into fragments), filtered water, and potentially other grains and beans, such as triticale, barley, brown rice, and soybeans.
It tastes light in texture and has a very mild flavor with just a hint of sweetness. It substitutes very well for low-fat or fat-free milk
http://www.goodness.com.au/store/p495/Organic-Oat-Milk-1L-x-12/product_info.html

[Gone002]

very cool thanks for the info son :)

[shadowstalker]

Truthfully put it is getting harder and harder to be a veggie person money wise.
Organic fruits/veggies is way expensive, compared to the canned,boxed,bagged, what ever.
SO handing numbers to the masses about what is healthier, meat or veggies, makes no sense if one cannot afford to eat healthy anyway.

Most folks don't have the means to grow there own fruit/veggies even if it did mean there health.
Goin to a co-op means nothing if there are none around.
And even if there where, spending the gas to get there, puts you right back to square one when trying to sock the money away for better stuff to invest in.
I have a huge back yard i would love to grow organic stuff in, but the soil is all but dead, can't afford to invest in fresh soil. and water rashenning during the summer doesn't help.

And yes I have also noticed that when folks start getting back into healthy foods that that particular item is sudden in the chopping block as it where and deemed unhealthy. Just another slight of hand of Codex E to me.

[heyokah]

I'm not a veggie nor a vegan. I'm not even a real vegetarian.
I eat some fish now and then and once in a while some biological chicken.
Eggs and some cheese (always biological) as well.
The main part is bread, cereals, rice, beans, vegetables and a little fruit of the season

I think when I'll run out of money, I will not stop eating organic, I will just eat half the amount.
My body will get used to it.
As long as there is moderation and variety

[sjkted]

I have a huge back yard i would love to grow organic stuff in, but the soil is all but dead, can't afford to invest in fresh soil. and water rashenning during the summer doesn't help.


Why don't you compost it yourself? Until quite recently, I was in a pretty well-established co-op, and I composted all of my organic waste as well as picking up several pounds of coffee beans from Starbucks chains every week at no cost.

--sjkted

[onetruth]

I'm not a veggie nor a vegan. I'm not even a real vegetarian.
I eat some fish now and then and once in a while some biological chicken.
Eggs and some cheese (always biological) as well.
The main part is bread, cereals, rice, beans, vegetables and a little fruit of the season

I think when I'll run out of money, I will not stop eating organic, I will just eat half the amount.
My body will get used to it.
As long as there is moderation and varietyThat is brilliant heyokah! But like shadowstalker I too find it hard to track down the organic foods sometimes. I can order staples (grains, pulses and jars like tahini, miso and whatever) on line for a good price and free delivery, but my local store only stocks organic carrots and onions and I am on a very low income too, so the travel costs is a major consideration for me too. I don't have a garden either - perhaps large pots is a way to go . . .

I bought a soymilk maker (for £89 and now they are reduced to £69 - better not put a link or BR might think I've got shares in the company! ;-) as junior member). I would definitely recommend it as it's so easy to use and also makes brown rice milk, and oat groat milk, in fact any grain milk and nut milk. Best of all it's always organic and additive free too - for me it was a good investment as I was spending £1.19 per litre on the organic unsweetened.

When you have to eat non-organic for whatever reasons, miso is great for detoxifying afterwards by the way.

Could it be that zybilcolin, a substance in miso, expels toxins in the body such as nicotine, radiation and other pollutants? Scientists think yes. (http://www.encognitive.com/node/2604)

And studies have actually shown it can even help with eliminating toxins from radiation poisoning

"Several foods, especially miso and sea vegetables, have a strong neutralizing effect on radioactivity and can help the body release Strontium-90 and other particles from the body" as detailed here (http://www.macrobiotics.nl/encyclopedia/encyclopedia_n.html) (scroll down to Nuclear Radiation)

(If you are really interested you may be wanting this ebook)

HOW TO DETOXIFY RADIATION AND RADIOACTIVITY FROM YOUR BODY
The Medical, Naturopathic, Nutritional, Herbal, Homeopathic and Commonsense External and Internal Approaches
By Bill Bodri
www.radiationdetox.com/ebook/0707RadiationDetox.pdf (http://www.radiationdetox.com/ebook/0707RadiationDetox.pdf)


As it elaborates on the research and goes into great detail on the post atomic scenario - miso gets 40 mentions