Graphic Video: The Only Proof You Need That Guns Save Lives: “I Did The Right Thing”

[jerry]

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If you don’t have a firearm you’d likely panic, pick up the phone, and hope that 9-1-1 can get a police officer to your house in the next 15 seconds.

If you are an armed homeowner, however, you’ve not only given yourself a fighting chance, but you have the distinct advantage of being on your own turf and capable of dispatching the threat with near instantaneous results.

This is exactly the scenario James Cvengros was presented with recently when his insane neighbor Twain Thomas started screaming and becoming violent in the hallway of the apartment building in which Cvengros lives. Cvengros turned on a camera and pointed it at his front door just in case. As you’ll see in the video below, Thomas can be heard causing quite a ruckus outside, prompting Cvengros to take a look. He quickly closed and locked his door and waited.

Sure enough, a few seconds later Twain Thomas’ foot can be seen coming through his front door, at which point Cvengros warns that he has a gun. The would-be attacker, with machete in hand, would not be deterred.
Had there been no firearm in this home things could have gone a totally different direction and it’s quite possible the Cvengros, his wife, as well as Thomas’ partner with whom he was arguing could all be dead.

In the right hands, guns save lives. They are the great equalizer.

No further evidence is necessary.

Update: Twain Thomas survived his wounds and has been charged with two counts of attempted murder, aggravated battery and aggravated burglary.

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/graphic-video-the-only-proof-you-need-that-guns-save-lives-i-did-the-right-thing_01232015

[Tyy1907]

In the perfect world we wouldn't need guns to protect ourselves against our fellow man. Well she ain't a perfect world.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I can't feel sorry for the nutball with the machete. When you bring violence, and violence is brought back to you, who do you have to blame but yourself?

I agree this is a much better outcome than the alternative: an innocent man with his head cut in two, and possibly more victims after the machete-wielding guy was through in that particular apartment.

Instead we have the machete-wielding nutball lying on the floor whining. And I'd say he kind of deserves it. Like I said, if you bring violence to someone, and they put it right back on you, that's your fault.

People have a right to defend themselves.

[Carmody]

yah gotta go for the greater circle of logic, the one that prevents this cycle from existing in perpetuity.

That requires the everyone get on board with the removal of dark fascism, dark imperialism, dark oligarchy.... all hiding in the backdrop, just out of sight of the average person's eye and mind reach limits....

The sort of thing that is driving the origins of this sort of life, growth, and birth, the whole enchilada.

Don't get caught in living the smaller circles of logic which prevent any form of functional solution from being known and enacted.

For example, every time someone involves themselves in some 'bread and circuses' spectacle like the superbowl, the dominoes fall..and it ends up that they effectively did something like shooting a crying child in the face, in Africa.

This is no joke, it's just that the circle of logic, of their own weakness, is just outside of their ability to reach out and see the connections. Since it is an uncomfortable connection, the emotions of the situation blocks their seeing the logic of it.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Don't get caught in living the smaller circles of logic which prevent any form of functional solution from being known and enacted.

You can theorize any functional solutions you'd like, but if you were theorizing them when that door was being kicked in I don't think they would have done you a damn bit of good. I understand that you want to address the larger issue but in situations like this, your approach just takes too damn long, you know?


I had to turn up the volume to hear what was being said at the end of the video. The guy who shot his neighbor says, "You were going to kill me!"

And the guy moaning on the floor says, between breaths, "Damn right I was."

"Then I did the right thing."

[Olaf]

I disagree with the OP.

I've lived 37 years of my life in a country where guns were completely forbidden for normal people (except for hunters, which were extremely few people). Even normal police men did not carry any guns at that time.
And I felt save. I felt save and secure in a way I do not feel today living in a country where some people are allowed to by and own guns and other people with even more evil behaviour own guns without beeing allowed to do so.

Until today I cannot understand, why people are allowed to buy, own and perhaps use arms.
I wish I could live in a world without arms. They are not necessary at all in my view.
It is just a relict from past phase of human evolution.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Can you not understand how a gun wouldn't make you feel safe if someone kicked through your door with a machete, and then after you shot him said he was going to kill you??? lol...

Also a machete is not a gun, so I'm guessing machetes or knives would still be accessible in your area, and crazy people could still kill you with them. You could kill someone with a machete just as quickly as you could with a gun, and just as permanently.

[Carmody]

Can you not understand how a gun wouldn't make you feel safe if someone kicked through your door with a machete, and then after you shot him said he was going to kill you??? lol...

Also a machete is not a gun, so I'm guessing machetes or knives would still be accessible in your area, and crazy people could still kill you with them. You could kill someone with a machete just as quickly as you could with a gun, and just as permanently.


You are missing the point and the logic entirely.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Yes, I am missing your point, and you're not helping to clarify it for me.

I understand you can say this maybe this is a societal issue and that we need more resources in place to deal with people with emotional issues or whatever. And that's fine and I would agree with that. However we are not currently living in this future where these resources may or may not be available. We are in the present, which is a different situation. So the reality is that we still live in a world where there is the possibility that a crazy man will break down your door with a machete and try to kill you with it. Given that this can occur (as is shown in the video in the OP), I really do fail to see your point.

[3(C)+me]

The reason why the constitution stated the people could bear arms is because they know the government can turn into a tyranny. I think one of the many reasons the state doesn't act against the public more directly is because the people are armed. Some of these false flags is the states attempt to ban gun ownership. People of color are killed in an attempt to get a riot going as a way to instill marital law. I don't own a gun because I don't want to get into that mindset of us vs them. That kind of mentality has it own set of problems. I intent I will be safe and then act accordingly. But I don't blame people for owning a firearm and I think if the public chooses to arm themselves well it is their choice. Hopefully they will use and store it in a responsible manner. And some people are acting very strange but if you have a volatile situation going on with a gun involved anything can happen.

[DeDukshyn]

I disagree with the OP.

I've lived 37 years of my life in a country where guns were completely forbidden for normal people (except for hunters, which were extremely few people). Even normal police men did not carry any guns at that time.
And I felt save. I felt save and secure in a way I do not feel today living in a country where some people are allowed to by and own guns and other people with even more evil behaviour own guns without beeing allowed to do so.

Until today I cannot understand, why people are allowed to buy, own and perhaps use arms.
I wish I could live in a world without arms. They are not necessary at all in my view.
It is just a relict from past phase of human evolution.

I can kill a person with a pencil or a gun (mind you a gun would be likely easier), yet people might feel safe around me with a pencil, as opposed to if I had a gun. "Arms" is just a small part of the problem ... crime is the problem ... and what Carmody posted above, although I think he didn't get his thought out in a way many could fully understand. Whether one is killed with a machete or a gun or a pencil, a murder has still occurred.

Taking away guns doesn't change the mentality of the people, a criminal mind with ability to kill or commit crime for personal gain won't change when you take his gun.

Canada has almost as many guns per capita as the US (maybe more because we have a lot of rifles in circulation that are not tracked) yet we don't have the same crime rates at all. In fact, I still don't lock my door, never have. Do I feel safe? Absolutely, I have no reason not to at all. It's all in the mentality of the nation or groups of people. it has little to do with the objects used in any given crime. Criminals are criminals no matter what tools they are using.

[Shezbeth]

I don't personally own a gun, but I have a goodly assortment of swords ('live' blades, not decorations) that I would readily put to an assailant.

Having said, I see no fault in the gun owner in this case (I'm assuming the video is authentic which I can't certify). He repeatedly advised the assailant to calm down and stop what he was doing, proceeded to tell him he was armed with a gun, and in spite of this the man continued to approach and violated home and private space armed with a dangerous weapon; that is exactly what a gun is for.

Sidenote - I'm no fan of the superbowl or football in general,... but shooting crying African children? That is quite a stretch, though logic fails to apply IMO.

[jerry]

I disagree with the OP.

. It is just a relict from past phase of human evolution.as well as a tyrannical government

[DeDukshyn]

I don't personally own a gun, but I have a goodly assortment of swords ('live' blades, not decorations) that I would readily put to an assailant.

Having said, I see no fault in the gun owner in this case (I'm assuming the video is authentic which I can't certify). He repeatedly advised the assailant to calm down and stop what he was doing, proceeded to tell him he was armed with a gun, and in spite of this the man continued to approach and violated home and private space armed with a dangerous weapon; that is exactly what a gun is for.

Sidenote - I'm no fan of the superbowl or football in general,... but shooting crying African children? That is quite a stretch, though logic fails to apply IMO.

I get what Carmody was saying, but at least a few very large paragraphs would be needed to explain it in full. Energy exchanges / balancing on a global level within the collective human mind. Perhaps football game wasn't the best analogy, Carmody may beg to differ ;) Perhaps he'll come back and gives a far more detailed breakdown ...

[David Ansible]

Of course the shooting was justified and I would have done the same thing.
But I can feel for the assailant. Who knows what is going on inside someone else's head?

Question though: Was that door made of cardboard? Man that was one incredibly flimsy door.

[Frances2014]

Guns or no guns, a polarity.

There are programs in our individual dna which are part of the matrix, the grid of the collective unconscious, which makes a placement of our experience.
The deprogramming each individual does within self in awareness of one own sovereignty determines the events of the successive now moments.
For some the need for physical weapons exists, for others, the precognition process exists.
Each human is unique within the field of humanity on Terra and every choice one makes has consequences in the sequence of experience.
I am an infinite being living in a human instrument on a living planet with other beings.
I try to do my best to find truth in every situation and I did not watch this video.
My choice is to give directions to the universe that do not intersect with violent situations that will harm myself as well as any other being.
This is what I do and others will do what they want to do.
Each will have to live with what the result is,of what they did not do, to deprogram themselves from the broken matrix.
I will support those whom I can, in a given situation, when they want to deprogram themselves from the matrix of deception, manipulation and control.
This is my understanding of human freedom as an individual process.

[M0JFK]

I was about to say the same thing about the door David...it was like cardboard. Could this be a setup? Camera was a little convenient in its placement too don't you think so?
By the way I am all for gun ownership...you can ban guns but only criminals will have them then. And if only the crooks have them what chance does that give you and your family...think about it. All the gun slaughters like Sandy Hook etc have been done in gun free zones. Statistics show that areas with open gun carry and ownership have less reported crime and in some areas no violent crime at all. We all know why NONE gun ownership is promoted and its not because of the fear of crime but the fear of the public.

[joeecho]

On the cardboard/ hollow core door that initially made me mildly suspicious of the video... I say mildly because that would be some damn good acting if it was a set up..

On another form it states: "The door was hastily replaced when the same guy kicked it in a few days earlier in another fit of rage."

Sounds plausible.

[Matisse]

I don,t find this video very credible, the door does seem like it is from a b-movie, plus who whom feels under attack takes the time to set up a video camera in front of the door... it just doesn,t feel right...

[Carmody]

Yes, I am missing your point, and you're not helping to clarify it for me.

I understand you can say this maybe this is a societal issue and that we need more resources in place to deal with people with emotional issues or whatever. And that's fine and I would agree with that. However we are not currently living in this future where these resources may or may not be available. We are in the present, which is a different situation. So the reality is that we still live in a world where there is the possibility that a crazy man will break down your door with a machete and try to kill you with it. Given that this can occur (as is shown in the video in the OP), I really do fail to see your point.

From "gladiator", a small corner of the problem, one link..one that existed 2000 years ago, as it exists today:

(Senator) Gracchus:
I think he knows what Rome is. Rome is the mob. Conjure magic for them and they'll be distracted. Take away their freedom and still they'll roar. The beating heart of Rome is not the marble of the senate, it's the sand of the coliseum. He'll bring them death - and they will love him for it.


As George Orwell said, in 1984: "Orthodoxy is unconsciousness"

On the common man, the proles:

"Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious."

~~~~~~~~~~
"He thought with a kind of astonishment of the biological uselessness of pain and fear, the treachery of the human body which always freezes into inertia at exactly the moment when a special effort is needed. It struck him that in moments of crisis one is never fighting against an external enemy but always against one's own body."

"So long as human beings stay human, death and life are the same thing."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And a hundred more from just the one book.

The problem is that if life involves just a gun, to protect oneself from the neighbor, or the madman outside the door, then life is death, circling evermore around a drain that never empties nor fills, it lies there in perpetuity like a filter or catalyst in the act, driving energy through a filter, for someone or something, like a dog on a perpetual treadmill.

A small circle of logic that sees and knows neither beginning nor end, and travels from nowhere to nothing. Life as a perpetual death that begins nowhere, lives nowhere, ends nowhere and kills your children ----before they are ever born.


"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." - 1984

Like a blind tree, in a field, tapped and drained of fluids, from birth to death, bled always, fated to have all possible futures be the same, an energy machine for a parasite.

An energy source for parasite that has a greater circle of logic than you and blocks your every move and thought, that might even begin to understand the dilemma.

And sports, gladiator sports, is just one horrid facet of one tit they provide for the food animal to suckle on, so it feels like it is not running on a treadmill, so it is felt that life, this nothingness, has meaning.

Sports talk, enough to make an intelligent person break down and cry, it sounds like dead men reciting recipes for more death.

Gladiator sports is illusion and distraction, provided by insiders and secret societies, so that you can remain in a box of being fed on by a parasite, so you remain calm and available to be fed off of.

And when they, your controllers, the parasites who feed on you and your small circle of logic...when they want you to react, they change some facets and start wars, move some of the pieces about and send some of you to shoot starving children in the face, in Africa, or the middle east, and then tell you lies about it, to make you feel ok, to cover the insanity it brings to your heart.

Since everyone is insane in the same way on the same boat, everything looks steady and real, ok and safe, no dangers, everything is normal.

As long as they feed you the illusion of righteousness via politics, speeches, newspapers, new stories, religion, and so on... the masses will hold to their insanity. Like a herd moving across a field, calm, collected, muttering among themselves.

But, in reality, the whole world is insane and living a twisted, feral, psychotic nightmare of blood, death, and perpetual pain, so parasites can feed off the energy it provides.

You are someone's meal, someone's animal, someone's food, someone's bitch...and you are in a box, not a life.... and you have no concept of it.

Your circle of logic is too small, you will never see it, and refuse to see it as the truth is too painful.

In not seeing it via rejecting it's pain, by not dealing with it, you condemn yourself and all around you, all your children and all their futures to the same living death as a food animal.


This is what a person means when they say that 'guns solve nothing'. It's just a another piece of garbage in a continual box of nothingness ----forever.

It's you. It's all on you.

[jerry]

The rest of the story with happy ending justice served nobody died

Twain Thomas was sentenced to 15 years in prison Thursday for the February attempted murder. Neighbor James Cvengros said he set up a video camera when he heard the 54-year-old scream in the complex hallway. Moments later, Thomas burst chopped through the door and swung his machete, forcing Cvengros to shoot the intruder, he said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/watch-machete-wielding-idaho-man-chops-door-article-1.2083692

[ghostrider]

My wife and I and some friends that live nearby , went out to the woods to do some shooting today ... there is nothing like confidence , knowing if some one kicks in your door , you will survive ... we should not live in fear , for if we do , we aren't really living ...

[Carmody]

how can you die if you have never lived?

You don't have life, all you have is it's fear.

It's not confidence, it's a small island of relaxation in a vortex of insanity, where you can't see the edges because you respond to the impetus with not thought, but animal reaction.

[joeecho]

how can you die if you have never lived?

You don't have life, all you have is it's fear.

It's not confidence, it's a small island of relaxation in a vortex of insanity, where you can't see the edges because you respond to the impetus with not thought, but animal reaction.


'Animal reaction' IS a part of a life lived. Isolating a part of life and calling it such does not make it so.

[Shezbeth]

Fear,... what an onerous word to fling around. Many who accuse others of it are - in fact - disguising it and concealing it in/from themselves. ^_~

[jerry]

"nothing to fear but fear itself" .... we all experience it to some degree...and is the basis for our industrial pharmaceutical complex and a topic for a whole new thread, it is part of life.

[Mike]

The mans violent reaction in the video is justified, tho its hardly an endorsement for guns. There will always be situations in which gun possession would be favorable, and those that favor fire arms will point to them loudly and endlessly as the perfect argument for gun ownership. But those situations in which gun ownership would be favorable only exist in the presence of other guns ie when someone is threatening you with a gun. Its catch-22 madness. A circle of insanity.

Arguing the gun issue is necessary ...and yet it misses the point entirely unless framed in the context of the greater madness plaguing the world today. Its like putting a bandage on the festering wound of a diabetic without addressing the diabetes at all. But when an intelligent person attempts to give a nuanced, all-encompassing view of the issue, people get restless and demand absolutes....I'm thinking of someone like Bill O'Reilly here...

I think the very presence of guns in our country suggests insanity. I don't think anyone should have guns, except perhaps law enforcement. If no one had guns, then guns wouldn't be necessary - pro gun folks couldn't justify their argument.

Meanwhile, people do have them, and maddening lesser-of-the-evil decisions must be made regarding them. I don't think abolishment of guns will happen as a result of legislation; it will happen, God willing, as a result of the (hopefully) planetary shift from insanity to sanity

[DeDukshyn]

Fear,... what an onerous word to fling around. Many who accuse others of it are - in fact - disguising it and concealing it in/from themselves. ^_~

Oh man ... the disguises it takes ... !!! Don't just be using it for your specific point ... look for it everywhere ... in yourself (myself) almost all fear is disguised as "practical" or "logical" --- it goes so deep. Even for myself (yourself) ... I have some "preparations" ... seems logical, but the deep root is fear of lack. When you look at everything a human does -- every decision he makes -- he is reacting in fear 99.99 percent of the time. It's ****ed up. Like Miguel Ruiz has stated, paraphrased ... you can get used to hell ... it can seem "normal". ;)

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I am an infinite being living in a human instrument on a living planet with other beings.
I try to do my best to find truth in every situation and I did not watch this video.
My choice is to give directions to the universe that do not intersect with violent situations that will harm myself as well as any other being.

I can understand where you're coming from. But I believe every being is potentially infinite, not just humans. And that creates the situation where, even if we seal ourselves off and we think we are impenetrably in our own world, locked into a certain set of beliefs and ways of seeing the world, someone else can still, literally, in this case, come kick our door down. If you trace everything back to the source, all of this is just part of the game, too.



I don,t find this video very credible, the door does seem like it is from a b-movie, plus who whom feels under attack takes the time to set up a video camera in front of the door... it just doesn,t feel right...

If you had an idea that the guy would do this (and there's an indication above that this may have not been the first time the guy kicked the door in), then you'd want to capture it on camera for legal purposes. You could sue him for damages and once the video is shown in court it's case closed for that guy.



You are someone's meal, someone's animal, someone's food, someone's bitch...and you are in a box, not a life.... and you have no concept of it.

Your circle of logic is too small, you will never see it, and refuse to see it as the truth is too painful.

I appreciate the sense of dramatic philosophizing, but if you are going to exert so much energy saying so many words then you might as well say something practical, as in something that can actually be practically applied in the real world to make a change here.

I'm not for killing innocent people and I'm not even a sports fan, but if you were in the same situation as the guy above, and the guy by his own admission wanted to kill you with that machete, then, not in some other time and space, but in that exact moment, what would your improvement be upon the situation?

[Tesseract]

I am more wary of gun owners, including some of the self-described ‘responsible’ ones, than I am of random nut jobs and criminals. Now, there certainly are a lot of what you might call ‘quiet’ gun owners where I live that own a firearm for one reason or another without it being a part of their psyche – these people don’t bother me at all. However there also seem to be a lot of more active gun owners who relish their firearms with great, and frankly, childish, intensity.

The gun owner that concerns me most is the one who actually craves the incident that allows him (because they are mostly men) to shoot someone, because this validates their mindset and also makes them the hero. If ever I am in a traffic dispute that gets heated, or there is some kind of altercation in the street, or a misunderstanding about something somewhere, there is the risk of getting shot because the person against me might be ‘carrying’ [which is almost certainly an indication that they are paranoid, for there is virtually zero crime in this area] and wants to make a man of themselves or, similarly, satiate a latent desire for authority that comes with the pointing of a gun. I really do not appreciate having my life depend on the subjective judgment of a man who is so paranoid he has to carry a loaded gun in his pocket in a small, low-crime town.

I live in a low-cost apartment complex with neighbors on either side. My neighbors change probably every 6 months or so. It doesn’t seem to matter who is there, they always have raging domestic disputes at one time or another. So far it has only ever been yelling (or getting deliberately locked out in the snow), but if one of these disputes reached an acute level that mandated my interference (because I am not one to call the cops, and the station (unattended the one time I called it on a different matter) is 20 minutes drive away), I’d have to worry that the raging neighbor has a gun, has the desire to use it, and might shoot me if I interfere, especially since he’d have it that the law was on his side if I entered his apartment without consent. It’s kind of the inverse of the example of the original video.

I don’t deny that ‘perfect’ examples exist where some innocent person would have died if they didn’t have a gun to protect themselves, and for dangerous areas I would never criticize someone for keeping a readily-accessible gun in their home. But this general and widespread inculcation of the gun being an essential self-defense tool for the responsible citizen has, along with other factors, created an unseen army of armed and, dare I say it, incident-craving paranoids, that at any moment could turn a difficult situation into a deadly one.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Arguing the gun issue is necessary ...and yet it misses the point entirely unless framed in the context of the greater madness plaguing the world today. Its like putting a bandage on the festering wound of a diabetic without addressing the diabetes at all. But when an intelligent person attempts to give a nuanced, all-encompassing view of the issue, people get restless and demand absolutes....I'm thinking of someone like Bill O'Reilly here...

The relevant situation, when someone is forced into a situation where they have to make decisions that could potentially save or end their own life, necessarily becomes a situation of absolutes.

When you remove yourself from that immediate situation, that's when you have enough space for people to start theorizing, philosophizing, politicizing. But you have to put yourself into the shoes of the people who are actually in these situations, and feel how you yourself would react, and what you would do, in order to properly appreciate them. Even if they are made illegal, people who do illegal things will undoubtedly still have them. As if this isn't obvious enough, there are thousands, if not millions of cases already proving this in states such as New York or even the entire country of Mexico.

As far as the over-all problem of ... the fact that guns exist in the first place .... it may be a catch-22 that you feel you only need them to defend against other people with guns, but the only "practical" solution that could be offered here is to just remove all guns from the face of the Earth, forever. That may sound like a genius idea to some people but (1) I really don't think it's actually practical or even realistic to achieve that, and (2) you will never be able to get rid of the knowledge of how to construct a gun, which means any individual, group or foreign government could easily begin making them again, and then what kind of situation will we have created?

I think guns will eventually become obsolete on their own, and we won't have any need for the government to go around seizing them from law-abiding citizens so that everyone would then need the nanny-state to come save them from the criminals who obviously are not going to follow laws in the first place. Guns will become obsolete the way that swords became obsolete: when a more effective technology replaces them.


And then the debate will begin all over again, until society finally matures enough to be responsible with weapons of any type.

[Fellow Aspirant]

Yes, having a gun at the ready was definitely a good thing for this man and his family.

Yes, the madman got what he deserved.

However ... I'd like to know a little more about the circumstances before I agree with the OP. Like, how quickly did the trouble escalate? I'd have called 911 at the first sign of trouble in the hall, especially if I'd had trouble with "Dwayne" the day before. Maybe I'm too cautious, but I'd have alerted the cops to Dwayne's behaviour yesterday.

As for the idea that this incident justifies arming everyone, everywhere, I'm inclined to take a more balanced perspective and weigh the odds of something like this happening to me. How common is this kind of thing, really? The only time I've ever seen this before was in "The Shining". And that posed no risk, other than maybe cardiac arrest.

Still, I'm glad I have a steel door.

Brian

[Shezbeth]

I have some "preparations" ... seems logical, but the deep root is fear of lack. When you look at everything a human does -- every decision he makes -- he is reacting in fear 99.99 percent of the time.

That's a bit of an over-generalization IMO. I have food because I recognize the inherent possibility that I will need to eat. I have clothes because I recognize - especially in the Pacific NW - that it is very easy and unhealthy for one to get too cold. I have weapons because I live in an environment with more than its share of methamphetamine addicts who might one day assault my persons (me and my sworn) or property; admittedly, I would be at a disadvantage if they brought a gun, but I practice with my weapons (as a form of physical, mental and spiritual training) and unless its a full-blown firing squad, I like my odds. That's not fear, that's risk assessment.

Only one's perspective can dismiss practicality and logic as fear; I do not contest that there are cases where fear is disguised as such, but your '99.99%' is simply unsupportable.

Personally, I don't believe in fear; I recognize the feeling of apprehension, or the sensation of an unresolved conflict, issue, obstacle, etc. but IMO 'fear' is as much a blanket rationalization as the word 'evil' (also 'good', and 'love' for that matter but that's a whole different can of worms that is probably better suited for another discussion).

[A Voice from the Mountains]

However ... I'd like to know a little more about the circumstances before I agree with the OP. Like, how quickly did the trouble escalate? I'd have called 911 at the first sign of trouble in the hall, especially if I'd had trouble with "Dwayne" the day before. Maybe I'm too cautious, but I'd have alerted the cops to Dwayne's behaviour yesterday.

In the audio in the video you can hear the guy with the gun saying that he had already called the police before the loose cannon kicked his door in. Not sure how long in advance but at least there's that much.

[Mike]

Arguing the gun issue is necessary ...and yet it misses the point entirely unless framed in the context of the greater madness plaguing the world today. Its like putting a bandage on the festering wound of a diabetic without addressing the diabetes at all. But when an intelligent person attempts to give a nuanced, all-encompassing view of the issue, people get restless and demand absolutes....I'm thinking of someone like Bill O'Reilly here...

The relevant situation, when someone is forced into a situation where they have to make decisions that could potentially save or end their own life, necessarily becomes a situation of absolutes.

When you remove yourself from that immediate situation, that's when you have enough space for people to start theorizing, philosophizing, politicizing. But you have to put yourself into the shoes of the people who are actually in these situations, and feel how you yourself would react, and what you would do, in order to properly appreciate them. Even if they are made illegal, people who do illegal things will undoubtedly still have them. As if this isn't obvious enough, there are thousands, if not millions of cases already proving this in states such as New York or even the entire country of Mexico.

As far as the over-all problem of ... the fact that guns exist in the first place .... it may be a catch-22 that you feel you only need them to defend against other people with guns, but the only "practical" solution that could be offered here is to just remove all guns from the face of the Earth, forever. That may sound like a genius idea to some people but (1) I really don't think it's actually practical or even realistic to achieve that, and (2) you will never be able to get rid of the knowledge of how to construct a gun, which means any individual, group or foreign government could easily begin making them again, and then what kind of situation will we have created?

I think guns will eventually become obsolete on their own, and we won't have any need for the government to go around seizing them from law-abiding citizens so that everyone would then need the nanny-state to come save them from the criminals who obviously are not going to follow laws in the first place. Guns will become obsolete the way that swords became obsolete: when a more effective technology replaces them.


And then the debate will begin all over again, until society finally matures enough to be responsible with weapons of any type.

To be clear: if someone broke into my home with the intent to kill me, I would use any and all resources available - including a gun - to defend myself. But the bigger question is, in my opinion, not whether or not hand guns should be legal, but what type of society have we become where a debate such as this is even necessary. How have we, over time, fostered this type of environment and how can we change it. As it has already been pointed out: we are a society based on fear. A fear based society will always operate from a point of damage control, and will behave accordingly.

Its my sincere hope that we don't "mature" to more responsibly handle more and more sophisticated weapons. I think that's utterly insane. Maturity to me, spiritual or otherwise represents a mentality that requires no weapons at all.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

If you want to correct a fear-based society, I'd say the first thing we need to do is finally get the crooks out of power, wherever they may be hiding. But then of course we come back to the age-old question of how to keep them out. I think introspection is a big factor in all of this. Psychology was a good invention but it's still not much more than 100 years old and we have some room to grow there.

And I don't know what your positions on ETs are but I don't think we're alone in the universe by any means, and while there may be plenty of friendly or neutral races, I'm also convinced some of them are parasitic or even malicious, and that even ETs have to have weapons of some sort.

[DarMar]

such and argue but simple point FACT is missed...

he had camera watching his doors in a first place..

we all do that it is such a normal behaviour...
besides having a gun!

:P

[A Voice from the Mountains]

he had camera watching his doors in a first place..

we all do that it is such a normal behaviour...

It is, if you read the context of this event as described in the thread a couple of times by now.

People also drive around more often with cameras in their cars, too, recording everything they see while driving, for the same legal reasons. Some of the best footage of the meteor falling over Russia was taken this way, though I suppose the meteor may have been in on it with the guy in the car.

[Mike Gorman]

Can you not understand how a gun wouldn't make you feel safe if someone kicked through your door with a machete, and then after you shot him said he was going to kill you??? lol...

Also a machete is not a gun, so I'm guessing machetes or knives would still be accessible in your area, and crazy people could still kill you with them. You could kill someone with a machete just as quickly as you could with a gun, and just as permanently.

That is just wrong - this guy was shooting 'compasionately', not aiming for the head - he shot his body which brought him to a rapid halt it must be observed. You can indeed bring someone down in a heartbeat if you know what you are doing with gun.
I know what I would rather have in an emergency - and these days you just never know when someone will take an irrational dislike of your face and attack you. Of course it is regrettable, but we have a right to defend our own and those who we care for lives.

[Matt P]

Some need to read the whole story before commenting. The machete man was the gun man's neighbor and he no doubt knew the history. He doesn't keep a camera pointed at his door. He knew the history, he heard the fight across the hall, he suspected the guy would come for him, he called 911 and THEN aimed his camera at the door to legally protect himself in case the crazy man came after him next and he had to protect his family with lethal force, which he obviously did not want to do.
Smart guy.
He stayed calm and under control in the face of a real threat and, as a result, survived what could have been a terrible end.
I keep a Louisville Slugger by my door, a hunting knife close to the bed and a razor sharp machete in my truck. Not out of fear but out of a sense of responsibility to be prepared to protect my family in the case of something crazy happening. If machete man busted through that door and all the man had was a bat, he would have swung it and protected his family and maybe he wouldn't have had as much success as with a gun. You wouldn't be reading this story except that a gun was used and our major criminal media is always trying to demonize them.
The reality is our world is run by psychopathic killers. Guns are legal in the US specifically as a check on tyrannical government abuse. It is no secret why government does all these false flags as an excuse to remove guns. It's the only thing preventing this country being a complete police state and keeping the "elected" criminals from throwing us all in FEMA camps. I wish we lived in that perfect utopia but unfortunately we still live in a world where most of the rulers and people are primitive. Unless you want to hide in a cave and instead you want to go out and must walk with wolves, you must be prepared.
I have lots of experience with guns but I am not currently a gun owner but I am damn glad most of my neighbors are!

Matt

[outerheaven]

Not a Christian, but I like what Jesus had to say, Matthew 5:

Ye have heard that it hath been said,
An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil:
but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right
cheek, turn to him the other also.

And if any man will sue thee at the law, and
take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

Aw, why couldn't he have recommend we all get guns to mow down the troubled, machete-wielding neighbor? ;)

Carmody is making excellent points here, people, don't overlook it or think it too "impractical" for "the real world." The real world is quite obviously flawed, and if you intend on living in accordance with real world logic and morality, you just might miss the mark.

This isn't to say that innocent lives wouldn't be lost; but neither is that to say that they aren't currently being lost, or haven't been lost for thousands of years as we continue to grind through this cycle.

It does indeed start with us, every single base action and thought.

[DeDukshyn]

I have some "preparations" ... seems logical, but the deep root is fear of lack. When you look at everything a human does -- every decision he makes -- he is reacting in fear 99.99 percent of the time.

That's a bit of an over-generalization IMO. I have food because I recognize the inherent possibility that I will need to eat. I have clothes because I recognize - especially in the Pacific NW - that it is very easy and unhealthy for one to get too cold. I have weapons because I live in an environment with more than its share of methamphetamine addicts who might one day assault my persons (me and my sworn) or property; admittedly, I would be at a disadvantage if they brought a gun, but I practice with my weapons (as a form of physical, mental and spiritual training) and unless its a full-blown firing squad, I like my odds. That's not fear, that's risk assessment.

Only one's perspective can dismiss practicality and logic as fear; I do not contest that there are cases where fear is disguised as such, but your '99.99%' is simply unsupportable.

Personally, I don't believe in fear; I recognize the feeling of apprehension, or the sensation of an unresolved conflict, issue, obstacle, etc. but IMO 'fear' is as much a blanket rationalization as the word 'evil' (also 'good', and 'love' for that matter but that's a whole different can of worms that is probably better suited for another discussion).

You have much to learn about fear methinks. There are only two driving motivation forces from which all other step down or even illusory "emotions" and "feelings" spawn from. Either Love or Fear. Do I have "preparation" out of my love that I can do it, or out of fear something might go wrong if I don't? It's clearly not the former. Thus is it is the latter.

Proper fear exists in your body and not in your mind, if you have eradicated fear from your conscious and subconscious fully, than congratulations; but while you may be a "Ninja" ;) I doubt you have succeeded at this fully, but who knows. :) When fear is in your body as it is intended it does not ever arise on a thought or a memory, and it no longer drives inner dialogue about planning for the future, and it no longer toys with your emotions. Your relationship with what we call "emotions" completely changes -- completely. They no longer even fit the same definition or word.

One who has fear within their conscious and subconscious has an incessant inner dialogue that is always repeating the past (usually the perceived mistakes of the past by self or others) and it always thinks ahead of you for planning the future. It replaces natural human instinct with crude rational thought. It takes control of your emotional reactions where one thinks it is normal for it to exist, but it is not, this is not natural, this is a side effect.

Perhaps you see "fear" as a generalization like "evil" because you haven't bothered to look within it for the distinctions that exist there? ;)

[Anchor]

Thankyou Carmody and DeDukshyn - you have done really well trying to explain something so hard to explain.

What came to mind as I read this thread - and since no-one else has trotted it out yet, I will:

Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword (Matthew 26:52, King James Version)

I don't judge nor really have an opinion on what either of those men did - and we likely don't know everything about that situation.

As onlookers now on this, I feel we should look at the bigger picture and our selves and at what it is that permits such causes and effects in our world.

[M0JFK]

I don't even know why the guy was making his apologies for shooting him. If it was me I would of been poking a stick into his bullet holes/wounds or standing on them and twisting my foot just like Dirty Harry did in the movie to the sadistic child killer he shot. I wouldn't say sorry...in fact I would of finished him off with one to the back of the head.

Then again this resident could of had the Police coming through his door and shooting him first. That appears to be happening quite a lot now in the states...your in more threat from the police than you are the crooks these days especially if you happen to be of the canine genre, homeless person or just black. Hell one cop even got his buddy to hold a dog down why he slashed its throat and bled it to death just recently.

By the way the bit with the stick with the intruder is a joke folks. I would of just sat him down tied to a chair and force him to watch the re-runs of all the Cecil B Demille movies.

[DeDukshyn]

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Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword (Matthew 26:52, King James Version)

...

Hey, it sounds like you are taking a shot at Shezbeth with that "sword" analogy. ;) lol <--- all meant in jest of course! :)

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I don't even know why the guy was making his apologies for shooting him.

They were acquaintances, the shooter was calling him by his fist name only the whole time. They were neighbours -- it likely seemed appropriate to do so at the time.

[dianna]

Me too brother … ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TC2xTCb_GU

[Shezbeth]

...

Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword (Matthew 26:52, King James Version)

...

Hey, it sounds like you are taking a shot at Shezbeth with that "sword" analogy. ;) lol <--- all meant in jest of course! :)

Just one problem with that,... the phrase (which to my comprehension and translation is "die by the sword") refers to a metaphysical truth where the sword is comparable and translatable to the reason, and that one who grasps the reason must apply the reason to themselves equally to the world. Hence, the 'death by the sword' is not a literal death, but the termination of unsound ideas, practices, etc. As with most spiritual texts, it loses all flavor and connotation if taken at face value.

[DeDukshyn]

...

Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword (Matthew 26:52, King James Version)

...

Hey, it sounds like you are taking a shot at Shezbeth with that "sword" analogy. ;) lol <--- all meant in jest of course! :)

Just one problem with that,... the phrase (which to my comprehension and translation is "die by the sword") refers to a metaphysical truth where the sword is comparable and translatable to the reason, and that one who grasps the reason must apply the reason to themselves equally to the world. Hence, the 'death by the sword' is not a literal death, but the termination of unsound ideas, practices, etc. As with most spiritual texts, it loses all flavor and connotation if taken at face value.


What we call "reasons" spring almost entirely from Fear ... this is how it is disguised as "practicality".

"Choice" springs from Love. Instinct also springs from love, but it can invoke physical fear when required to keep the body safe. Very subtle differences, in most cases, just motivation (one case fear is evoked in the mind and the other it is evoked in the body), but it makes all the difference in the world. So I agree that the script isn't literal (of course), but I do beg to differ that it still does apply, perhaps just on a different level.

[M0JFK]

I bet Alex Jones is just over the moon with this one...lol Have you seen AJ's skit on the I am Bill Hicks???...lol nice to see Alex using humour for a change.

[Shezbeth]

What we call "reasons" spring almost entirely from Fear ... this is how it is disguised as "practicality".

"Choice" springs from Love. Instinct also springs from love, but it can invoke physical fear when required to keep the body safe. Very subtle differences, in most cases, just motivation, but it makes all the difference in the world. So I agree that the script isn't literal, but I do beg to differ that it still does apply.

You are wholly entitled to your opinion and perspective. May it be that such perspective offers increasing benefit, growth, and development.

:twitch:

Begging to likewise differ, that is among the most asinine statements I have ever read. Again, I am not contesting the validity of it in your perspective, but IMO it is spurious and damaging to a healthy and strategic disposition. I find your assertions regarding choice springing from love (OR fear for that matter) to be abjectly unsupportable. That 'choice' is entirely derived from reason is so basic and axiomatic that I am not sure there is any purpose in continuing to press this matter.

[DeDukshyn]

What we call "reasons" spring almost entirely from Fear ... this is how it is disguised as "practicality".

"Choice" springs from Love. Instinct also springs from love, but it can invoke physical fear when required to keep the body safe. Very subtle differences, in most cases, just motivation, but it makes all the difference in the world. So I agree that the script isn't literal, but I do beg to differ that it still does apply.

You are wholly entitled to your opinion and perspective. May it be that such perspective offers increasing benefit, growth, and development.

:suspicious:

Begging to likewise differ, that is among the most asinine statements I have ever read. Again, I am not contesting the validity of it in your perspective, but IMO it is spurious and damaging to a healthy and strategic disposition. I find your assertions regarding choice springing from love (OR fear for that matter) to be abjectly unsupportable. That 'choice' is entirely derived from reason is so basic and axiomatic that I am not sure there is any purpose in continuing to press this matter.

Let me explain the difference between "choice" and "decision", for it appears to me this lack of distinction has driven your position.

Consider these definitions:
Decision = making a selection based on a consideration
Choice = making a selection after a consideration

Subtle I know, but hold that distinction for a moment and bear with me.

Let us ask, "Ford Mustang or Chevy Camaro?" choose one. Why did you choose it? The response might be "I like Chevy better", or "The Mustang is faster", or "I always wanted a Mustang!", or "Camaros look better" or, "The live axle in the mustang sucks", or, or, or , or ,or ... everyone will have a reason for their choice, and not all choices will be the same. So if we look at the definitions I asked to consider, all these are selections based on a consideration - we know it was based on a consideration because every person will respond with what that consideration was. This is a decision. Decisions are based on "reasons"

Now a choice is something that is free. It has no bounding rules, does it? To have a choice means you are unbound by considerations if you so wish. In order for choice to be truly free, it must be chosen outside the boundaries of consideration, although a choice may be made after a consideration. Who gives a ****? right? In one mentality governing choice, you are always going to decide for a reason, without the consideration for nor having a consideration, therefore your selection will always be bound by those "reasons" -- they may have come from past experiences, what other people have said, teachings, what our culture expects, what church said, what school said, etc. Basically any influence you have accepted that is not yours. Who's in control? Just because you might be in control of what pre-rendered "reasoning" is available, doesn't give you true freedom. This is how humanity is enslaved.

When one has a mindset to truly "choose" (and in my findings they don't often work concurrently) the expression used to override the pre made "reasons" have to be either instinct or love.

Most often the selections are the same from either mindset, only one allows a far greater freedom, and allows more readily the use of instinct, in which humanity is greatly deficient in.

My thoughts, you don't have to agree. ;)

[Shezbeth]

I can see that you are drawing distinction between 'reason' (the concept surrounding the acute application of mental processes) and 'reasons' (validations or justifications for choice).

Still, your perspective appears to operate from a diverse (and IMO flawed) perspective that does not allow for the free-flowing expression of reason (the conceptual) by equating it with fear. If reason is stunted, it cannot be merged with will, and emergence cannot thus be realized.

Thank you for taking the effort to illustrate your perception, I hope you will not be offended when I disregard it.

[3(C)+me]

Yes, we should ban guns in a perfect society but the only I would feel comfortable with that if the Government, police, CIA, secret black government with all it's electronic mind control, black magic grids, etc gives it up first. I support the constitution.
But if you have a gun for all those crazy people out there coupled with a good dose of paranoia then I think you may invite some type of conflict, just by your mindset forget about 'those people out there or the cabal" you can invite this stuff to your very door.
All this is fear based and yes, we have been trained very well to be afraid and act from fear but the only way we are going to really deal with this is to deal with our own fear (and our tolerance for violence) so having a gun makes no sense to me, because tells me I am in fear. I don't want to be a person who lives with a gun that is locked and loaded by the door ( there are exceptions living in the outback Alaska would be one, maybe a crazy neighbor who has a machete would be another). This is not a black or white, good or bad kind of thing but there are shades of gray.
Here's another side of the story
A two-year-old boy in a shopping trolley at a Walmart store accidentally shot dead his mother with a gun he found in her handbag.
http://news.sky.com/story/1399907/two-year-old-boy-shoots-mother-dead-at-walmart

[DeDukshyn]

I can see that you are drawing distinction between 'reason' (the concept surrounding the acute application of mental processes) and 'reasons' (validations or justifications for choice).

Still, your perspective appears to operate from a diverse (and IMO flawed) perspective that does not allow for the free-flowing expression of reason (the conceptual) by equating it with fear. If reason is stunted, it cannot be merged with will, and emergence cannot thus be realized.

Thank you for taking the effort to illustrate your perception, I hope you will not be offended when I disregard it.

If fear is in the body, it has ability for its expression whenever warranted. When it is in the mind it is out of its place to be calling the orders. Therefore freedom of expression is only truly free when fear is not within the mind.

You can disregard whatever you want without offending me ... Yet if you continue to consider everything, and I really mean consider it, within all perspectives, then I invite you to believe nothing, including anything I write.

You may want to read what I previously posted in light of what I latter posted -- it may make more sense.

[DeDukshyn]

I can see that you are drawing distinction between 'reason' (the concept surrounding the acute application of mental processes) and 'reasons' (validations or justifications for choice).

Still, your perspective appears to operate from a diverse (and IMO flawed) perspective that does not allow for the free-flowing expression of reason (the conceptual) by equating it with fear. If reason is stunted, it cannot be merged with will, and emergence cannot thus be realized.

Thank you for taking the effort to illustrate your perception, I hope you will not be offended when I disregard it.

"reason" is the catalyst for "reasons" -- they are closely related. Thus not much distinction was drawn.

[Shezbeth]

A two-year-old boy in a shopping trolley at a Walmart store accidentally shot dead his mother with a gun he found in her handbag.
http://news.sky.com/story/1399907/two-year-old-boy-shoots-mother-dead-at-walmart

I would not consider this a side story at all, this seems to more readily address the overall theme of the thread.

In reading the article, this is (IMO) a clear example of irresponsible concealed-carry. Why do I state it as irresponsible? Because in responsible concealed carry one is never to be out of control of the weapon. Leaving it in one's purse may seem like "I always have control" or "... have it with me", but clearly this was not the case. Legal statutes allow concealed carry to include one's handbag, but handbags can obviously be put down or within easy access of others aside from the intended owner/user. A shoulder, belt, ankle, etc. harness cannot be put down unless deliberately removed, and one does not carry their money, checkbook, cellphone, etc. in their shoulder-harness.

Simply, while the first article states (correctly IMO) that "I did the right thing", the tagline for the second would clearly (again IMO) be "She did the wrong thing".

People DO make bad decisions with firearms, of that I have no contest, however banning and/or eliminating firearms to prevent improper usage is putting the cart before the horse. I agree that addressing the societal aberration from which firearms are necessary is a good strategy and start, but even if society becomes entirely peaceful there are still situations (rural areas especially) where firearms are entirely useful and adequate tools.

[DNA]

I can see that you are drawing distinction between 'reason' (the concept surrounding the acute application of mental processes) and 'reasons' (validations or justifications for choice).

Still, your perspective appears to operate from a diverse (and IMO flawed) perspective that does not allow for the free-flowing expression of reason (the conceptual) by equating it with fear. If reason is stunted, it cannot be merged with will, and emergence cannot thus be realized.

Thank you for taking the effort to illustrate your perception, I hope you will not be offended when I disregard it.

Dude you are straight up poetic at times. You use the same concepts with economy in word choice for writing that Bruce Lee used in the idea of no wasted movements in order to punch somebody in the face. Economy of motion, no wasted movements or in your case presenting a complex communication in as few words as possible and somehow not sacrificing the message.

It's a beautiful thing. I don't always agree with you but i never cease to be amazed how well you communicate your thoughts.

[DarMar]

Wtf...

he had to clean that gun often util he used it... he had to bear some thought while doing that... HE DID!! he manifested this!
he cannot manifest this by cleaning his flower pot!
it is just he is not aware of that?!?
conscious=gone

what are chances that guy with machete walks home, sees through window that his neighbour have gun, get nerved and do this stupid action? What are the chances this **** happened because they HAD WEAPONS IN FIRST PLACE... well a BIG one.
What are the chances that they were known to each other and, machete guy didn't thought will get shot by breaking cardboard piece on door.. and went through even he heard couple of times that host has a gun .. oh yes i remember now.. i gotta read what writes there below picture.. to know...

yes i do know and see more and more that humans do not need to be influenced at all to do retarded actions which marks them for life and beyond.
Love guns really??
LOVE-GUNS

Well i gotta news for ya.. you live EXACTLY in place to love guns.. wow.. who would tell? you have all that you need, situations, scenes, all friggin theatre is there, created by you and you-s.. YOU LIVE IN WHAT YOU CREATE.
Here was war n stuff yet... people mostly threw their guns.. yeas there are dumbos here also, but interesting thing is they deal with themselves internally... who would tell again, right?

It is all hyped arround guns, freedoms, killings..BECAUSE... BECAUSE
GUN won't make you free, it will help your manipulated head to kill your manipulated brother head so prison holders don't need to get blood on hands.

ohh it is about saving self?!?

well if you see only way for you to survive is TO KILL ANOTHER ONE..

DO YOU REALLY NEED TO SURVIVE?

do not even to try to tell me how killing is only option... and if you do, try feel heart while writing, put away thinking...

he could put all kind of furniture on door, which machete could not brake...but that's not why he bought gun!

doh...

[Carmody]

Why it's not about the guns, why to never limit the focus on the guns and the smaller life, the smallest circle of logic of all. Liking guns as they keep you safe, as a final point and limit in thinking, is like being in a cave and looking for the next meal. Total neanderthal animal minded.

Driven to having that mindset dominate the thought process, as a filter and forced thinking pattern. Where constant stress and constant bombardment disallows people to think clear and more elevated thoughts, as the stress triggers their body to have 'fight or flight' thoughts dominate the thinking process. Stressing that is constant, to dumb the population down into animal dominated thinking patterns.

How did we get to a damaged PTSD brain and mind, coming out from a war machine, using a machete...and then a man protecting his family by shooting him with a handgun, a handgun he feels he requires, in order to protect himself and his family?

How did it come to this?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This is one of the great 'tracks' or 'trails of evidence' of how you got in this insane mess, read my post and then go back to the top and read the thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79306-The-likely-cause-of-ADDICTION-is-not-what-you-think&p=926841&viewfull=1#post926841

A key line, that pertains to the need to be 'looking around in bigger circles of logic':


Done to you...not because you want to be those things, but because they made you that way, all outside of your knowing and outside of your agreement.

If a person can't read that, then they are already dead and they've already killed their children and are involved in killing their neighbor's children. Like George Orwell said, 'the future, is a boot stomping on a human face...forever'.

Until you snap out if it, that's all you'll ever have.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Driven to having that mindset dominate the thought process, as a filter and forced thinking pattern. Where constant stress and constant bombardment disallows people to think clear and more elevated thoughts, as the stress triggers their body to have 'fight or flight' thoughts dominate the thinking process. Stressing that is constant, to dumb the population down into animal dominated thinking patterns.

Yes, this is exactly what MSM and other social and cultural institutions often do. Always creating situations to make people stressed and fearful.

And those same people and institutions are the ones that want to take guns away from civilians.

[Carmody]

Driven to having that mindset dominate the thought process, as a filter and forced thinking pattern. Where constant stress and constant bombardment disallows people to think clear and more elevated thoughts, as the stress triggers their body to have 'fight or flight' thoughts dominate the thinking process. Stressing that is constant, to dumb the population down into animal dominated thinking patterns.

Yes, this is exactly what MSM and other social and cultural institutions often do. Always creating situations to make people stressed and fearful.

And those same people and institutions are the ones that want to take guns away from civilians.

The point being is -- the pattern is locked, if one does not consider the way out.

It has nothing to do with surrendering the guns, and to not confuse the holding on to the gun - to be the solution.

It's all about your head and what it is thinking, how far the mind roams, in order to find the depth of the problem and the depth of the solution.

Another salient point that a wise friend once taught me, is that the first solution found is rarely the right one. To spend more time and effort in thinking, than living within the first response of a given first perception.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

It's all about your head and what it is thinking, how far the mind roams, in order to find the depth of the problem and the depth of the solution.

Another salient point that a wise friend once taught me, is that the first solution found is rarely the right one. To spend more time and effort in thinking, than living within the first response of a given first perception.

I can understand all the people saying that living in a mentality where you surround yourself with guns can potentially create a situation where something like this happens. If this is your point, then I get that, and that's probably the biggest reason why I don't personally even own a firearm.

But on the other hand, if everyone in the civilian world took this approach, we do have people in positions of power that will 100% jump on that as an opportunity to turn the police and military into tools of a totalitarian system. So I am here to express the view that it is necessary for people to be able to defend themselves, not just against criminals but more importantly (and the original reason we were given this right), to defend against criminal governments.

This is not an individual issue that I'm looking at, but a larger social and governmental issue.

[3(C)+me]

I think the constitution states we, the people have the right to bear arms against enemies both foreign and domestic.

[Anchor]

I think the constitution states we, the people have the right to bear arms against enemies both foreign and domestic.

I see this as programming.

You don't need rights conferred to you.

You do not need to be bound by bits of paper.

These are artifacts of a game.

The game has rules, but it is a game played by free men who no longer recall that they are free.

Its become an increasingly nasty game and the means for us to know the evil that men do increase, and this amplifies the nastiness, but it is really a symptom of more light being shed on the game and the darker places being illuminated in that game.

See it for what it is.

Cant you see that you have all been fooled?

[Carmody]

Exactly so. It looked promising at first, but the whole thing was about getting you to sit at the table.

The bar association comes out of the city of London, and all western law is written under it. Which means you gave them the keys and the right to change all things, the moment you sat at the table.

It really is that simple. It's a contract, on all levels, and you agreed to it.... so Mr. existential entity and Mr. ET can't really do a damn thing until you reject it. This is because consciousness, intelligence, organized energy...is the real driver of reality formation in this place, just like all the ancient texts and works have been trying to show you, for 10,000 years. The fundamental universal laws are about independence of consciousness, independence to come to their own agreements. Earth is only one planet or thing, in this emergent reality, out of billions.

All they (ET and existential) can do is run by you every now and then, show their face... and then and try and get you to understand that they are not swamp gas, or the moons of Venus. They keep picking up the pace, as more and more come to a clear understanding that they are "real".

And the NWO/PTB types keep working hard to make sure that reality.... is erased as much as possible, all while staying on course, as hard as they can, faster and faster, to try and lock your total slavery down, before you understand that it is all crap -- That the road they are leading you down is real slavery.


WpE_xMRiCLE

[Zionbrion]

This also proves cops do not need to use lethal force when dealing with attackers. I mean this guy had a machete running towards the guy and he used a gun but didn't kill him.

[DeDukshyn]

This also proves cops do not need to use lethal force when dealing with attackers. I mean this guy had a machete running towards the guy and he used a gun but didn't kill him.

Well ... I'm really good at accurately imagining situations as they would occur to me. If someone kicked in my door, acting like a madman, attacking me with a machete at close range causing me to respond with my gun, the occurrence of the attacker living would not have been intentional but perhaps more like "luck" or "karma". - Outside of my considerations anyway - consideration would have been "stop him". Full stop.

I don't think when you become a cop you get magical "superpowers" to not react that way (not without a ton of experience at least). That said, I see almost all our police -- certainly in all these Youtube cop videos, are incredibly unqualified. It's like they now seek out the most fearful people to be police, and thus obviously, the outcome we are seeing.

[DeDukshyn]

Exactly so. It looked promising at first, but the whole thing was about getting you to sit at the table.

The bar association comes out of the city of London, and all western law is written under it. Which means you gave them the keys and the right to change all things, the moment you sat at the table.

It really is that simple. It's a contract, on all levels, and you agreed to it.... so Mr. existential entity and Mr. ET can't really do a damn thing until you reject it. This is because consciousness, intelligence, organized energy...is the real driver of reality formation in this place, just like all the ancient texts and works have been trying to show you, for 10,000 years. The fundamental universal laws are about independence of consciousness, independence to come to their own agreements. Earth is only one planet or thing, in this emergent reality, out of billions.

All they (ET and existential) can do is run by you every now and then, show their face... and then and try and get you to understand that they are not swamp gas, or the moons of Venus. They keep picking up the pace, as more and more come to a clear understanding that they are "real".

And the NWO/PTB types keep working hard to make sure that reality.... is erased as much as possible, all while staying on course, as hard as they can, faster and faster, to try and lock your total slavery down, before you understand that it is all crap -- That the road they are leading you down is real slavery.


WpE_xMRiCLE


That video could not have been any better at being an analogy. Nothing better could be formed to exist as that. That said, as a fellow "northerner", robot chicken is always good for interesting, often insightful, analogies to all kinds of things. Well found.

I don't do a lot of "double thanks", but this post gets one. ;)


We participate in the energy exchanges we have been conditioned to exchange; accepted as 'reasonable'. I learned once that being "unreasonable" is quite often desired ... for the ultimate result, or the appropriate change ... ;)
;)

[3(C)+me]

I think the constitution states we, the people have the right to bear arms against enemies both foreign and domestic.

I see this as programming.

You don't need rights conferred to you.

You do not need to be bound by bits of paper.

These are artifacts of a game.

The game has rules, but it is a game played by free men who no longer recall that they are free.

Its become an increasingly nasty game and the means for us to know the evil that men do increase, and this amplifies the nastiness, but it is really a symptom of more light being shed on the game and the darker places being illuminated in that game.

See it for what it is.

Cant you see that you have all been fooled?

Yes, I agree. I think you misunderstood my post or it could be I was not clear. I was attempting to convey (unsuccessfully I gather) that even back then our forefathers knew that our government could turn south.
They knew back than. That was all I was saying.

[DeDukshyn]

I think the constitution states we, the people have the right to bear arms against enemies both foreign and domestic.

I see this as programming.

You don't need rights conferred to you.

You do not need to be bound by bits of paper.

These are artifacts of a game.

The game has rules, but it is a game played by free men who no longer recall that they are free.

Its become an increasingly nasty game and the means for us to know the evil that men do increase, and this amplifies the nastiness, but it is really a symptom of more light being shed on the game and the darker places being illuminated in that game.

See it for what it is.

Cant you see that you have all been fooled?

Yes, I agree. I think you misunderstood my post or it could be I was not clear. I was attempting to convey (unsuccessfully I gather) that even back then our forefathers knew that our government could turn south.
They knew back than. That was all I was saying.

"If you find yourself in Hell, you might grab a pitchfork and fight your way out. Once out, throw that pitchfork aside and find more appropriate and reliable tools for the level at hand"

One perspective; it loosely supports your view, and may be something Anchor can relate to ;) (my personal story relates to the above philosophy) Just trying to be a bridge ;)

[3(C)+me]

I think the constitution states we, the people have the right to bear arms against enemies both foreign and domestic.

I see this as programming.

You don't need rights conferred to you.

You do not need to be bound by bits of paper.

These are artifacts of a game.

The game has rules, but it is a game played by free men who no longer recall that they are free.

Its become an increasingly nasty game and the means for us to know the evil that men do increase, and this amplifies the nastiness, but it is really a symptom of more light being shed on the game and the darker places being illuminated in that game.

See it for what it is.

Cant you see that you have all been fooled?

Yes, I agree. I think you misunderstood my post or it could be I was not clear. I was attempting to convey (unsuccessfully I gather) that even back then our forefathers knew that our government could turn south.
They knew back than. That was all I was saying.

"If you find yourself in Hell, you might grab a pitchfork and fight your way out. Once out, throw that pitchfork aside and find more appropriate and reliable tools for the level at hand"

One perspective; it loosely supports your view, and may be something Anchor can relate to ;) (my personal story relates to the above philosophy) Just trying to be a bridge ;)

Well, I am looking for those tools right now, I am thinking I might have to make them myself for a while a 3D/4D printer could come in handy right now.
:decision:

[Carmody]

In the short term, when things get very fluid, the guns will possibly be a good thing to have around.

When the situation stabilizes, in the long term, then the guns will probably be tossed, as the world's situation may simply not warrant their continued existence. The abandonment would likely be more natural, as opposed to forced--the current 'feel'.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=927613&viewfull=1#post927613

[jerry]

In the following monologue, Whittle brilliantly displays something pointed out concerning how the socialist and communist gun grabbers in America demonize guns. He exposes their bias to all of the relevant FBI data at their disposal.

Whittle rightly points out that America tops the list of guns per capita. There are 90 guns per every 100 people. Not only does this arsenal among the American people make it a force to be reckoned with against those who would seek to dominate the US population, but these weapons are the means of fighting against tyranny and oppression


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The socialists and communists would have us believe that America, because she has so many guns in the hands of private citizens, that she would have the greatest per capita murder rate as well. Well, that would be a false assumption. The number one country with the highest murder rate is a socialist country, Honduras!

In fact, compare America's per capita murder rate of 4.7 per 100,000 resident to that of a US city like Detroit, Michigan, where socialist and communist Democrats have imposed massive gun control. In Detroit, the murder rate is 54.6 per 100,000. Consider that is Detroit was a country, it would be in second place, just behind Honduras!

Out of 218 countries, "gun culture America" didn't even make it into the top 100 of those countries with the highest murder rates per capita. She came in 111. Imagine that!

Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/01/usa-first-world-gun-ownership-not-even-top-100-countries-murder-rate/#VP2wEaUHuLfkBwJd.99


http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/01/usa-first-world-gun-ownership-not-even-top-100-countries-murder-rate/