PROJECT AVALON NEWSLETTER #4 : Credo Mutwa, Serpo and NORAD, Dr Bill Deagle on everything, AI Drones, and DON'T MENTION THE REPTILIANS

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear All,

The fourth Project Avalon Newsletter has just gone out, to over 12,000 people. It was sent to the e-mail address we have on record for you; if it doesn't seem to be there, please do check your Spam filters.

It's downloadable below as a PDF, and runs to nearly 4,000 words — tiny compared to the last two. :)

The showpiece is a major, previously unpublished interview with South African humanitarian, shaman and historian Credo Mutwa, dating from my stay with him in 2010. And there's a lot else there, too.

http://projectavalon.net/Project_Avalon_Newsletter_4_24_January_2014.pdf
(http://projectavalon.net/Project_Avalon_Newsletter_2_23_November_2014.pdf)
Enjoy! :)

My warmest wishes to everyone ~ Bill

[Omni]

Interesting newsletter Bill. Nice job. I am personally very excited for "Don't Mention the Reptilians". I feel it will be an interesting one.

And I feel for Credo when he feels his heritage is being misconstrued. I hope Credo's bloodline and knowledge is carried on. Does he have kids?

[arwen]

Oh, THANK you for this Bill! I had been wanting to post the Alfred Webre and Mel Ve videos here, but something held me back - now I know why. I am just so, SO glad that at long last, this issue has seen the light of day, and I look forward to watching this one.

Credo had a son, but the son was murdered by "necklace" (burning tyre round the neck), and that really broke Credo. He was persecuted for the ancient knowledge he held, and he has not been properly honoured in South Africa for who he is. He is a living part of our cultural heritage, but there are no accolades for him, as he is not politically approved.

He has been a prophet without honour in his own country, and ironically, it is mostly Caucasians who appreciate him, and some have exploited him.

But his Legacy will live on. He has held the true ancient knowledge of Africa here all this time, despite all that he has suffered.

Thank you again, Bill, for this!

[East Sun]

Bill,
For some reason I did not get your newsletter in my e-mail. I checked everywhere that it could be but, no luck.

East Sun

[Marianne]

Bill,
For some reason I did not get your newsletter in my e-mail. I checked everywhere that it could be but, no luck.

East Sun

East Sun, did you look in your Spam folder? If it's not there, please PM me and we'll look into it.

[gripreaper]

I don’t find much discrepancy between what Michael Tellinger says or what Credo Mutwa is saying, or what Stichen said. Whether the original seeding of planet earth occurred 200,000 years ago in South Africa and whether the Sumerians were an additional seeding much later, or whether they migrated to Sumer from South Africa, to me, is immaterial. Whether the stone circles were used for energy generation, or the holes in them were used for cooking with hot stones, does not change my view at all.

Yet, the whole idea of racism is a meme perpetrated by the elite to keep our eyes off of Africa, as the heart of central Africa is the most unexplored and unwritten about part of the entire planet. Credo Mutwa is correct when he talks about the Chitahuli and the ancient reptilians that still reside there and are never spoken about or seen. It is my hypothesis that this area is kept, by the elite, as an ancient sacred ground for these creatures to live undisturbed, as their ancient ancestors and a pure representation of the star people who came 200,000 years ago.

I’ve listened to all of the David Icke interviews with Credo Mutwa, (circa 2010?) and I’ve listened to Michaels video’s and studied his findings on Adam’s Calendar. I also met Michael on his American tour when he came to Portland, and he invited me to his hotel room after. It saddens me that Michael tried to help Credo by publishing and marketing his material, which never sold, leaving Michael with many hours of service to Credo while Credo assumes that Michael owes him money and views events through the shroud of racism, albeit honestly ingrained in him and the South African culture, perpetrated by centuries of the white man’s exploitation of his peoples.

I think the whole misunderstanding between Credo Mutwa and Michael Tellinger is unfortunate and unwarranted, and yet, this does not change the historical artifacts or the research or experience of either of these two men in regards to the truth of what happened in ancient antiquity.

It did not, and does not change my view of the history or either of these men one bit.

[ghostrider]

one of the great mysteries , the origin of mankind , who , when , where ... is it so hard to believe , men from another world , land on Earth , mix with Earth females in South Africa , then their seed spreads all over the world ... three quarters of people on Earth have dark skin , dark hair , dark eyes ... Asian , Eskimo , Mexican , Arabic , Italian , Greek , Crete , Spanish , Japan , India , Native Americans , Hebrews , and Africans the cradle of where life began ...

[Robin]

I'd second grip's comments. I think that constructive criticism of somebody's book is healthy and necessary to put the necessary puzzle pieces of Truth together, but slandering an entire body of work for misplaced facts to me isn't doing any good for anybody. Writing a book takes a lot of work, and Michael probably spent hundreds if not thousands of hours writing it as honest as he possibly could. No one person knows every single detail about every subject, and more often than not researchers mess up data or facts in at least one area of their work. It happens.

But really I just want to comment on how delightful the Bill Deagle video was. I'm still listening to it and have been giggling like a child the whole way through. I don't normally listen to Bill Deagle, but the dialogue between him and the other person was extremely amusing (and I'm sure some members here might be able to relate when dispensing knowledge to somebody who hasn't been made aware of such conspiratorial information discussed on Avalon).

At about 20 minutes in, after discussing typical fringe politics that one might consider the first layer of the global conspiracy onion (Federal Reserve corruption, BRICS, gold, etc.), Bill Deagle starts talking about bigger topics. The dialogue after about 20 minutes goes something like this and repeats over and over again:




Bill Deagle goes on a monologue about a conspiratorial topic concerning a small group of people controlling and manipulating all the governments and religions of the world.

[silence for about five whole seconds...]

Then the caller says something to the likes of "Wait...so you're telling me that..."

Bill: "Yeah, that's right. This is the kind of stuff I know."

Caller: "Wow..."

Then Bill enters another monologue...

Definitely a recommended video. :)

Also, great work as always, Mr. Ryan!

[East Sun]

Bill,
For some reason I did not get your newsletter in my e-mail. I checked everywhere that it could be but, no luck.

East Sun

East Sun, did you look in your Spam folder? If it's not there, please PM me and we'll look into it.

Marianne,

I did, but later was able to access it here. Thank you for getting back to me.

ES

[onawah]

I am puzzled as to why Credo Mutwa accuses Michael Tellinger of racism, yet calls his work "white excresence".
And says that Tellinger, who as far as I have been able to tell, has helped greatly in bringing to light the importance of South Africa in mankind's history and Credo's importance as a keeper of ancient knowledge, "hates him (Credo) like a dog".
Credo says that Sitchin was the wisest of white men, but Tellinger, as far as I know, also went to great pains to prove one of the most important of Sitchins' premises, that the Annunaki used Africans as slaves to mine African gold, and found the evidence of that with his aerial photos of the ancient mining settlements, and the mines themselves, which was an incredibly important discovery.
I am no expert on the subject, but it seems to me that Tellinger is a white man who has done a lot to help save Africa.
Credo has suffered greatly and witnessed terrible injustices, and I think he deserves a lot of respect and compassion, but it seems to me he is attacking the wrong man.

[Innocent Warrior]

Thoroughly enjoying it, thanks for the goodies.

[Citizen No2]

Thank you Bill.

Great data-dump by Dr Bill Deagle. Highly recommended for All Avalonians and beyond.

Question: Could Project Avalon be the greatest site on the internet?



Regards.

[Sunny-side-up]

Thank you Bill!

Great letter and contents, can't waite for the developments.

Was really pleased to see the included 'Credo Vusa'mazulu Mutwa' vid although not happy to see he at strife with Michael Tellinger.

Here is a message and a wish for credo, his country and the peoples of the Earth from me!
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z413/Alanshots/to%20Credo%20message.jpg (http://s1188.photobucket.com/user/Alanshots/media/to%20Credo%20message.jpg.html)

A great book, and full of the symbol language as passed on to us by Mr Credo.
PS Bill if you haven't got the book it is for sale in paperback, not sure if the images of the symbol language is included though?
If not and if you would like to see the images I have digitized 4 or 5 pages of them.

I would like to think this composite photo might one day be seen by Mr credo, and hopefully he likes it!

[Bill Ryan]

Thank you Bill.

Great data-dump by Dr Bill Deagle. Highly recommended for All Avalonians and beyond.

Question: Could Project Avalon be the greatest site on the internet?



Not so much a data-dump, more like a mountain! :)

[Sunny-side-up]

I am puzzled as to why Credo Mutwa accuses Michael Tellinger of racism, yet calls his work "white excresence".
And says that Tellinger, who as far as I have been able to tell, has helped greatly in bringing to light the importance of South Africa in mankind's history and Credo's importance as a keeper of ancient knowledge, "hates him (Credo) like a dog".
Credo says that Sitchin was the wisest of white men, but Tellinger, as far as I know, also went to great pains to prove one of the most important of Sitchins' premises, that the Annunaki used Africans as slaves to mine African gold, and found the evidence of that with his aerial photos of the ancient mining settlements, and the mines themselves, which was an incredibly important discovery.
I am no expert on the subject, but it seems to me that Tellinger is a white man who has done a lot to help save Africa.
Credo has suffered greatly and witnessed terrible injustices, and I think he deserves a lot of respect and compassion, but it seems to me he is attacking the wrong man.

Hi onawah, I am a bit puzzled by this content as well, I had no idea of the rift between the two.
I can only summarize that a great deal of Mr Credo's upset comes from Mr Tellingers miss interpretation of the land marks and circular markings, as well as other history miss statements.

I need to look at this situation and Mr Tellingers ideas and works in a different light DOH o.o will I ever get in-front of the game, need facts! Mr Credo is a man of deep knowledge and facts, he is a mystic knowledge/history keeper!

[Camilo]

Thanks for the Newsletter Bill!

[gripreaper]

The idea that this planet is run by satanic off world entities in the astral, through ritualistic sacrifice and human desecration, and the council of 13 at the top being totally possessed, and that anyone who makes it to the top of any religion or industry has to go through such ritual to be mind controlled, owned by the Vatican and their ancient trusts of the Papal Bull, with the City of London and the ancient monarchies of Europe beholden to the Vatican, with Washington DC also a corporation as the military arm of these elite, is no big surprise to me. I’ve been saying this for years.

That the goal is a one world system known as the New World Order, based on a bioelectric chip implanted in each of us in order to buy and sell in commerce, with every single action and transaction monitored and controlled, through AI, microwave, and manipulation of the basic elements of water, air and earth, is also well known, at least here at Avalon.

And I’m no rocket scientist or extremely intelligent avatar. I do not have alien heritage, never been abducted, never been channeled, or otherwise accessed the astral or the upper dimensions. I have not been sent here from some ancient galaxy to save planet earth. I don’t have any “insiders” feeding me information. I have never been inside any underground base, or talked to any whistleblowers that are close to the machinations of the elite. I’ve never seen an alien or any entities appear to me and attempt to communicate with me, and I’ve never encountered the new humans who are product of the genetic manipulations currently underway.

I’m just an average bloke in an American city with a crummy job and access to the internet. I would say, the bulk of my awakening has occurred since 9-11, you know that blatant obvious manipulative false flag which totally destroyed liberty and brought in the fascist police state? Yea, that’s the one…AND the emergence of the alt/media in the last ten to fifteen years or so, from the early pioneers of Art Bell and Bill Cooper. That is how I know as much as Bill Deagle.

Why is it that the internet was allowed to proliferate and get into the homes and minds of everyone all around the planet and be fully interconnected? Why is it that all information, which used to be held in secret and only distributed to those at the top, is now available to all? Why the sudden turn from covert to overt in the last 50 years?

I have my high octane speculations as Joseph Farrell is fond of calling the puzzle pieces when they don’t quite fit together. My take is that these elite are basically done with their agenda which they put in place 10,000 years ago after they almost totally destroyed this planet through a cataclysmic event and lost all of their technology and pushed themselves back into the stone age.

My high octane speculation is that this technology has been restored and they are getting ready to leave this planet, or they can’t leave it no matter how hard they have tried. They will either destroy it or restore it on their way out, or they will manipulate it to suit their long term habitation.

The internet is used to classify all peoples into this hierarchy. See the movie “divergent” if you want to see the results of these classifications. It’s the divergent’s which they are really looking for and are worried about. Glad I’m just an average bloke with an internet connection.

[Kez]

Great newsletter Bill! I've thoroughly enjoyed what I've read so far. I look forward to reading the rest when I get the time; I'm also very excited to see the 'Don't mention the Reptillians' documentary, that should be a very interesting thing to watch. Keep these newsletters coming my friend, many thanks. :-D

[onawah]

I can relate, Gripreaper!
I have my doubts about Bill Deagle.
He is certainly brilliant and can talk the talk, but I have a hard time believing he has done all he has claimed.
Just from the little investigating I've done, apparently quite a few people have checked into his background and found no evidence that he was actually where he claimed he was, doing what he claimed he was doing at the time in several important instances.
Though, imho, there is certainly much evidence of his having a tremendous ego (not something I would expect to see in one of the 2 witnesses described in the Book of Revelations, if there are actually 2 such beings, and he claims he is one).
Others say that a lot of his prophecies have come true, but I haven't been keeping score of that, so I couldn't say.
But there is more than one way of knowing about the future, since so many future events these days have been planned and executed by you know who.
These rabbit holes just seem to get deeper and deeper...

[awakeningmom]

Thank you grip, I think you have pretty much described me in your description of yourself and what event first brought you down this seemingly endless rabbit hole. But don't you think you (and almost everyone else on PA) would qualify as a "divergent" too, even if you don't see or communicate with ET's or travel to the astral? While almost everyone has access to the information on the internet these days, very few seem to be able to see (or even want to try to see) what it all means or how the dots connect over centuries. In being open to the information in the first place, Your brain clearly works differently than the majority, something that has become painfully apparent to me whenever I've tried to initiate conversations with friends and family I had at one time assumed were open minded. Though I have no known superpowers, I'm definitely feeling like a divergent these days.

[Dawn]

I listened to the Bill Deagle interview yesterday and felt deeply disturbed. For me it is not the topic discussed, but the underlying assumptions, which are disturbing. So I thought I'd share what I see in this interview.

1. There is a deep assumption here that the Bible is somehow correct and truthful, so that redlining the words that Jesus spoke is somehow really evil. I'd like to remind everyone here that the Bible has been changed and censored so many times that it is unclear WHAT of the original remains. As far as the 'words Jesus spoke'.... since the Bible was admittedly written hundreds of years AFTER the death of Jesus who really knows WHAT he said (or if he was a real person)? That doesn't mean that there isn't an underlying reason for redlining. It is just that this is unlikely to be about actual words spoken by Jesus. Jesus didn't speak english, which also adds another dimension to this. Perhaps these (red lined words) were inserted to control the populace. Anyway, Bill Deagle discusses this as TRUE without questioning the underlying situation... which is that the redlined words are not likely to be the ones Jesus spoke.

2. There are many on the planet who seem to be occupied by 'other than human' entities. Bill Deagle seems to be one of these... or at least he takes counsel from such a being. When I listen to someone speak I am on the alert for indications of where untruths are hidden. Most people do not realize they are not speaking or being in truth, for they too are duped. Anyone who says something like 'I am divinely guided and I am the ONLY one on the planet who knows these things' is disclosing their affiliation with something which is 'ego driven'. He also says that God speaks directly to him... watch out for anyone who states that! Things that speak to someone directly are not likely to be God. There is a wonderful story of Ram Das visiting his brother in the mental hospital. Ram Das said to his brother, "I also know that I am Jesus, the difference is that I know that I am not the only one". So, in Bill Deagle's talk he waves a BIG RED FLAG for all of us to let us know that his understandings are not energetically 'clean'.

3. Deagle focuses his talk around armageddon and the mark of the beast. I do understand what is happening beneath the surface here. Do you notice that he lays the groundwork for the certainty that this WILL OCCUR and...there is no avoiding it? I really did not fully understand how many on the planet are working diligently to bring about the story, laid down in the Bible, until a couple of years ago, when I read a fascinating book. I think the title was 'The Red Heifer' and the shocking facts are: there are non-Jewish people who are spending millions of dollars attempting to breed a line of solid red cows and transport them to Israel. The purpose of this???? Why to bring about armageddon of course. Have you ever noticed how people will choose a belief system and then die defending it, or trying to prove it is real? In this light how wise (or possessed) does Deagle look?

I stay away from people like Deagle, they are not listening to the drummer who makes the music of life that I dance to. I live with a constant sense of wonder at what I see unfolding around me. Does 'God' speak to me? Well, when a voice speaks to me, I listen politely and then decide whether I wish to take information it shares under advisement. I do not look for such advisement but hold my own council and take responsibility for my own decisions. I am sovereign within myself, without looking to a 'divine' voice and making decisions based on what it says. I have experienced tricky entities who attempt to influence what I think and do, I wonder what the agenda is for the 'God who directly and divinely advises ONLY Deagle--but no one else on the planet'?

I am rather shocked that this interview was sent out in our newsletter as an excellent source of information! Perhaps a warning about the underlying manipulations carefully hidden within it should have been given.

[barneythez]

Wow, great posts! I've read them all, and I'll leave with one question. How can a brilliant man such as Mr. Deagle, still be a Christian? I just don't get it. Is there some aspect of it that I'm not getting(ok 2 questions)? I love an honor the man called Jesus. Same with Buddha. But I'm neither Christian, nor Buddhist. For that matter, I love Bill, but am not a Ryanist;)
Yes Mr. Deagle is a little cocky, 'no man with a pulse or drawn a breath'......well ok, if that's how you really feel.
It would have been real nice if he could have concluded with any sort of high note. Any at all, but no...it was all doom and gloom. Well, maybe I can offer some. We humans are going to rock this universe like never before. When it's our 'time', watch out satan, we're gonna send you off runnin with that long ugly tail of yours between your legs. This universe is gonna shine so bright that even the greys will have to wear sunglasses. Them reptilian lizards are gonna have to learn to bow to us humans because if they don't behave, we're gonna squash'm like a fly on the wall.
Hope you all feel better now....I do.

[barneythez]

:lol::lol::wizard::wizard:

[turiya]

I enjoyed Deagle just the same. The Whistleblower becoming speechless. Deagle doing his thing. I agree with what he says about the politicos following script... Oh, and the greys are already wearing sun glasses. That's why they live in DUMBs.

[Aspen]

Thanks for the newsletter. I too watched the Bill Deagle video. It is an amazing amount of information. I do identify with Dawn's comments above and find it very puzzling that Bill is a Christian. As a person who left fundamentalist Christianity 15 years ago, I am very curious about how Bill makes sense of the seeming discrepancy between his personal spiritual beliefs and the understanding that he talks about in this video, that all churches are ruled by the Vatican. I get that spirituality is different from religion, but how does he explain his belief in the Bible. The books in the Bible were canonized by the Catholic Church and there is some evidence they have been edited and the translations vary etc. etc. If anyone know of videos or articles where he goes into this more deeply, I would be interested.

I was grateful for the data dump as he does put a few pieces together I had never heard before. I was also grateful that my normally very skeptical husband listened to the entire interview and part of another one. This is very rare! So thanks Bill for getting my husband to finally open his eyes and realize that many people are saying the same thing. However, I do have to agree that Bill seems quite arrogant and I have met others who also claim that spirits spoke to them. I have always wondered how do you know where that spirit is really from and can you trust it. It is channeled knowledge even if someone claims to be from Source. I wonder what Bill Deagle thinks about recent teachings on the internet about Unity consciousness and the Divine Feminine? It probably would not jive with the Bible. . . .

His synopsis on the different layers of control and his grasp of the what is going on with the monetary system was wonderful and very timely.

[turiya]

I do identify with Dawn's comments above and find it very puzzling that Bill is a Christian. As a person who left fundamentalist Christianity 15 years ago, I am very curious about how Bill makes sense of the seeming discrepancy between his personal spiritual beliefs and the understanding that he talks about in this video, that all churches are ruled by the Vatican. I get that spirituality is different from religion, but how does he explain his belief in the Bible. The books in the Bible were canonized by the Catholic Church and there is some evidence they have been edited and the translations vary etc. etc. If anyone know of videos or articles where he goes into this more deeply, I would be interested.

I was grateful for the data dump as he does put a few pieces together I had never heard before. I was also grateful that my normally very skeptical husband listened to the entire interview and part of another one. This is very rare! So thanks Bill for getting my husband to finally open his eyes and realize that many people are saying the same thing. However, I do have to agree that Bill seems quite arrogant and I have met others who also claim that spirits spoke to them. I have always wondered how do you know where that spirit is really from and can you trust it. It is channeled knowledge even if someone claims to be from Source. I wonder what Bill Deagle thinks about recent teachings on the internet about Unity consciousness and the Divine Feminine? It probably would not jive with the Bible. . . .

His synopsis on the different layers of control and his grasp of the what is going on with the monetary system was wonderful and very timely.

Hi Aspen,

The following mp3 is from 2008. Bill Deagle describes his being "gone in the spirit", gets into describing the process to some detail. This has to do with some false flag happening with the onslaught of Martial law, a nuclear event (Chicago is mentioned, one or more cities), lots of people running around in screaming chaos. He says he knows which cities that this event will involve.


http://projectavalon.net/bill_deagle_4_oct_2008.mp3

Bill is good with much of his information in the video that Bill Ryan has posted regarding the Corporate U.S., the founders being Freemasons, the American Revolution being a sell out by those that went to sign the treaty (Ben Franklin, John Jay, etc.) with the king of England. Set aside anything to do with Nibiru, as he is a Zecharia Sitchin & Marshall Masters believer, of which I am not. Take it for what its worth.

[araucaria]

No disrespect to Bill Deagle, but I seem to remember a few years ago he was verging on a nervous breakdown over some imminent catastrophe or other that failed to materialize. But even today he has all bases covered in telling us that the evil cabal has all bases covered. I’m afraid that is structurally impossible; and it is possibly the biggest lie of all, whichever side one is on, to claim otherwise, or to believe such a claim.

[onawah]

Deagle has also said that there are higher dimensional ETs who are going to help prevent the Illuminati's plans from coming to fruition, so he seems to contradict himself in that regard.
The way he said it made me think he was just reciting something he had memorized, however, which could be said for a lot of what he takes credit for as being his own information.

[Aspen]

Thanks for the insights and feedback on Bill Deagle. I guess he is on his journey just like the rest of us. I am sure we have our allies in the spiritual realm or realm of other dimensions. I agree with Arucaria and Onaweh, that he seems to have the habit of sounding more certain than he really is. For example in another video I watched he states that all churches are headed by people that have been compromised by serpent type beings. I know that there are people who have formed their own home churches and there are other congregations that have broken away from head churches. It seems to me that it is impossible that all churches are compromised. Perhaps it has to do with the speed at which he is speaking and the ego involvement, that any of us are prone to.
In another video he was saying that he really is a skeptic, one of the biggest skeptics there is and that is why he looked more deeply for where the truth might lie. I guess the attraction with Bill Deagle is his obviously high intelligence and scientific thinking. He certainly appears to have a service to others attitude. Understanding the many layers of control is very helpful. I do think he needs to be careful of not planting the seed for gloom and doom and perhaps inadverdently making things appear more certain than they are. I guess he must realize that there is a danger of being used in this magical way by the cabal, planting seeds of catastrophe. If people believe what he says the power of their intention could give energy to catastrophic events and make them more certain. Isn't that what the cabal does all the time?

I think that is the biggest concern with his reliance on Bible prophecy. Aren't there many people trying to make the prophecy come true? For example George Bush? Who knows who the prophecies in the Bible were written by. They could have been written by beings with intentions to control he planet long ago. Sorry for focusing on Bill Deagle so much. I look forward to more close examining that other goodies Bill Ryan sent us. Thanks Bill Ryan. I am a little confused about the information on the exchange program, why is it included? Reptilians, presumably, have always lived here, according to Simon Parkes and others. Perhaps when I watch the Credo Mutwa video it will become clear.

[Bill Ryan]

I am a little confused about the information on the exchange program, why is it included?

It was all rather a pot pourri this time. :)

I really wanted to draw attention to the confirmation from the guy who worked at NORAD in the 70s. Although I'd shared that on the forum a while back, for many others who thought Serpo was all done and dusted (and many pronounced it a huge hoax, which it wasn't), I figured it might be an interesting piece of news to post.

[Scott]

Hey Bill why don't you talk to Michael Tellinger and get his side of the story,I did, he is more that willing to talk to you.

Scott

[giovonni]

Hey Bill why don't you talk to Michael Tellinger and get his side of the story,I did, he is more that willing to talk to you.

Scott

Yes since Bill is apparently neutral in regards to all this, perhaps he could offer his skills and moderate a discussion with Credo Mutwa, Alfred Webre and Micheal Tellinger in clearing up this issue?

see my post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79307-Bill-Ryan-s-2010-interview-with-Credo-Mutwa-about-Michael-Tellinger&p=926972#post926972)

[Bill Ryan]

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Re Bill Deagle: Dr Bill is at his very best when he's jovial (which doesn't stop him from addressing serious subjects).

Enjoy this: :)

http://projectavalon.net/Dr_Bill_Deagle_Bill_Ryan_Project_Avalon_14_April_2010_extract.mp3 (2 Mb, 6 mins, hilarious)

[earthdreamer]

Kind of related to Deagle's exposure of the powerful, LipTV has this tidbit.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thozgxyJRn4&list=PLjk3H0GXhhGcjJDo6cQBCQprDMQyUQY3r

"The super rich are buying secret boltholes and airstrips in areas like New Zealand where they can escape in the event of a civil uprising against growing inequality. This was revealed at the World Economic Forum in Davos by Robert Johnson, president of the Institute of New Economic Thinking, who claimed that many hedge fund managers were already buying airstrips and farms to plan their escapes. We take a look at the economic situation and discuss why the rich are so worried, in this Lip News clip with Elliot Hill and Mark Sovel."

Kind of jokey about "Boltholes", usually referred to as bug-out places.

[LoneWolf76]

Thanks a million for the newsletter Bill. Never heard of Bill Deagle before and have now listened to about 10 hrs of him talking about all he knows. Interesting stuff!

[EarthSheriff]

Dont miss Dr. Bill Deagle 2008 3 part series 2006? 5 part series.:yo:.(he released more stuff then as big medical corps came after him) and my favorite line..
"The Greatest Sins are the Sins of Silence in the Face of Evil!"
fyi: Dr. Bill Deagle Final statement!
Project Camelot interviews Bill Deagle - Part 3 of 3
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I can say that the Archons have everyone under Military Grade Mind control, but this video shows the ET'S on the currency..
hard core proof of who has been calling the shots

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[EarthSheriff]

Thanks Bill Ryan for sharing that!, he has a lot of stuff on his website to download also..http://www.clayandiron.com/

Simon Parkes latest is very good..I would love to see Dr Bill and Simon in a round table!

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my notes:

Last 7 years 3 attempt to do nukes..in America..

Drone emp 2 substations no power 1/2 USA..

many Refusing orders.attack Iran Nuke orders..

14 races call us family..

Paladean, andramdans (I am a bad speller!) I will get these names right soon, sorry!

7th 8th dimension helping in non physical form.

Vitamins from food gone..? to weaken us..?

Aug-Oct 2015 Collapse?

[onawah]

That last interview with Simon is the most hopeful and inspiring news update I've heard in a long time.
He says that the CERN the elite were forcing Japan to build has been abandoned, and they are trying to upgrade the first one instead, but that positive ETs will prevent that one from doing what they want it to (again).
(Japan certainly needed a break...)
And that many positive ETs and EDs have decided to help instead of remaining neutral.
Maybe we won't have to wait until 2017 for the turn of the tide, after all... :dance:

[EarthSheriff]

A quick note about Dr Bill Deagle. His facts are correct and he has turned down big money to help spread info, which he could not do if he signed a RECENT NDA folks?

I see a lot of whiners here that are Paid $ Opposition, I see them all over Linkedin , and I can tell very quickly now.

Matt Damon Promise Land Movie EXPOSES INTEL Paid $ Opposition fyi:

Here is what I have to say to you! ha! ha!

"The Greatest Sins are the Sins of Silence in the Face of Evil!" fyi: Bill Deagle Final statement!

Project Camelot interviews Bill Deagle - Part 3 of 3

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. His info is the most valuable I have seen, and Simon Parkes also confirms many of the facts of the crazy ones, he calls them.? Simon is now the #1 source of info, but Dr. Bill has amazing knowledge and direct contacts.
Dr. Bill has a ton of stuff to download here: http://www.clayandiron.com/products.jhtml?method=toStatic&page=conditions

As far as a small group running the world, Lindsey Williams is a second direct source on this. Also Stew Webb has the Pindar Denver Satan party I posted about with an eye witness from the Black Popes son that had his dick cut off since he was not into Satan?

Stew goes over an interview he had with Anton Lavey that goes into US Presidents attending satanic sacrifices in Denver, Colorado

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/censored-black-popes-son-got-david-sweet?trk=mp-reader-card

The Oil Boys Run the Globe! (Putin, Obama, Saudi, etc.):

This series explains our $ Dollar/Oil/Military crisis very well, I just saw it 1/1/2015

-Who REALLY sets the Oil $ Prices? NOT Who you think! ha! ha!

Lindsey Williams - The Energy Non-Crisis - Part 1 of 8

https://www.youtube.com/user/tonytt98/videos

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FREE BOOK

http://www.globalistagenda.org/download/TheEnergyNon-Crisis.pdf

Birds of a feather: #Kissinger "old friend of #Putin"
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-12-31/inside-obamas-secret-outreach-to-russia
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[EarthSheriff]

I listened to the Bill Deagle interview yesterday and felt deeply disturbed. For me it is not the topic discussed, but the underlying assumptions, which are disturbing. So I thought I'd share what I see in this interview.

1. There is a deep assumption here that the Bible is somehow correct and truthful, so that redlining the words that Jesus spoke is somehow really evil. I'd like to remind everyone here that the Bible has been changed and censored so many times that it is unclear WHAT of the original remains. As far as the 'words Jesus spoke'.... since the Bible was admittedly written hundreds of years AFTER the death of Jesus who really knows WHAT he said (or if he was a real person)? That doesn't mean that there isn't an underlying reason for redlining. It is just that this is unlikely to be about actual words spoken by Jesus. Jesus didn't speak english, which also adds another dimension to this. Perhaps these (red lined words) were inserted to control the populace. Anyway, Bill Deagle discusses this as TRUE without questioning the underlying situation... which is that the redlined words are not likely to be the ones Jesus spoke.

2. There are many on the planet who seem to be occupied by 'other than human' entities. Bill Deagle seems to be one of these... or at least he takes counsel from such a being. When I listen to someone speak I am on the alert for indications of where untruths are hidden. Most people do not realize they are not speaking or being in truth, for they too are duped. Anyone who says something like 'I am divinely guided and I am the ONLY one on the planet who knows these things' is disclosing their affiliation with something which is 'ego driven'. He also says that God speaks directly to him... watch out for anyone who states that! Things that speak to someone directly are not likely to be God. There is a wonderful story of Ram Das visiting his brother in the mental hospital. Ram Das said to his brother, "I also know that I am Jesus, the difference is that I know that I am not the only one". So, in Bill Deagle's talk he waves a BIG RED FLAG for all of us to let us know that his understandings are not energetically 'clean'.

3. Deagle focuses his talk around armageddon and the mark of the beast. I do understand what is happening beneath the surface here. Do you notice that he lays the groundwork for the certainty that this WILL OCCUR and...there is no avoiding it? I really did not fully understand how many on the planet are working diligently to bring about the story, laid down in the Bible, until a couple of years ago, when I read a fascinating book. I think the title was 'The Red Heifer' and the shocking facts are: there are non-Jewish people who are spending millions of dollars attempting to breed a line of solid red cows and transport them to Israel. The purpose of this???? Why to bring about armageddon of course. Have you ever noticed how people will choose a belief system and then die defending it, or trying to prove it is real? In this light how wise (or possessed) does Deagle look?

I stay away from people like Deagle, they are not listening to the drummer who makes the music of life that I dance to. I live with a constant sense of wonder at what I see unfolding around me. Does 'God' speak to me? Well, when a voice speaks to me, I listen politely and then decide whether I wish to take information it shares under advisement. I do not look for such advisement but hold my own council and take responsibility for my own decisions. I am sovereign within myself, without looking to a 'divine' voice and making decisions based on what it says. I have experienced tricky entities who attempt to influence what I think and do, I wonder what the agenda is for the 'God who directly and divinely advises ONLY Deagle--but no one else on the planet'?

I am rather shocked that this interview was sent out in our newsletter as an excellent source of information! Perhaps a warning about the underlying manipulations carefully hidden within it should have been given.

I provided other sources on his info. Lindsey Williams, Stew Webb, etc..see above? Facts are facts? Simon Parkes confirm Souls are created by the Source or God, and Simon Parkes clarifies many Bible lies like Jesus, etc..

[araucaria]

I see a lot of whiners here that are Paid $ Opposition, I see them all over Linkedin , and I can tell very quickly now.

Hi, welcome to the forum. It’s always nice to see new members throwing their weight around. Facts are facts you say: you won’t find many paid shills around here, unless you brought them with you. In my humble opinion, to think otherwise is poor judgment, and to say otherwise is bad manners. Never mind the state of the world, let’s get this right first.

[beewarenow]

I also have listened to Credo Mutwa's story over the last few years and was shocked to hear these reports of Michael Tellinger who I met in Manchester a few years ago. This is another story about his business dealings http://youtu.be/bR13VZcrBb8 re Zulu Planet. I have also heard Michael's denials and attack on Credo via Vinny Eastwood's platform.

[onawah]

I agree with Araucaria, and I also suggest that everyone, whether old or new members, proofread their posts before and after entering them so that they don't read like confusing gibberish.
We may not all have English as our first language, or be professional writers, but if the latter is the case, there's not much excuse for poor quality writing in a post on this high quality forum; in the case of the former, Mods are available for proof reading and editing.



I see a lot of whiners here that are Paid $ Opposition, I see them all over Linkedin , and I can tell very quickly now.

Hi, welcome to the forum. It’s always nice to see new members throwing their weight around. Facts are facts you say: you won’t find many paid shills around here, unless you brought them with you. In my humble opinion, to think otherwise is poor judgment, and to say otherwise is bad manners. Never mind the state of the world, let’s get this right first.

[lightpotential]

Dear Group,

I can see that Credo Mutwa has some criticisms of Michael Tellinger, yet I find the accusations by Johan Engelbrecht to be very disturbing if they are true. In this interview he discusses how he appears to have been defrauded by Michael when trying to get his book published. Has anybody else seen this or have any comments?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR13VZcrBb8

Keith

[vortexpoint]

Deagle has also said that there are higher dimensional ETs who are going to help prevent the Illuminati's plans from coming to fruition, so he seems to contradict himself in that regard.
The way he said it made me think he was just reciting something he had memorized, however, which could be said for a lot of what he takes credit for as being his own information.

I'm glad you mentioned this Onawah.

I also had this feeling of few times that not everything Deagle says is his first hand knowledge. For example when he talked about the Druid council of 13 in the top I immediately remembered hearing about this somewhere before. Have you guys heard (and I'm sure many of you have) of an Illuminati defector called John Todd, who has spoken about the Grand Druidic Council a long time ago. Deagle also mentioned a person called Pindar and if I remember correctly it was Arizona Wilder who mentioned him the first (that I know of).

Still I really enjoyed Deagles show although concerning the "deeper" levels of the reality there really wasn't anything I hadn't heard before. I think Deagle underestimates too easily peoples capacity to handle and comprehend this stuff. Surely majority of people can't but those who can't are not likely going to be his listeners in the first place.

[Rozzy]

Thanks Bill for the newsletter, I took it all in, Credo, Deagle, I very much appreciate your efforts and look forward to the next one.
I am glad Credo and Deagle spoke as they were want to do, getting their perspective and thought without a PC filter or self edit was great. The real thing in the raw gets five out of five stars from me. :high5:

[Iwonder]

Comment to Michael Tellinger Criticism:
More can be criticized. This is not to say that I don't agree with much that Tellinger writes. I do agree wit quite a lot, but not all, and not with the following.

Michael Tellinger writes in his book in Chapter 15 “…Jesus became an unwitting ‘mouthpiece’ for the bloodthirsty Nefilim god, preparing the ground for the continued enslavement of humanity. …unconsciously weaving the propaganda of a power-hungry Anunnaki god. … The uncanny parallels between the murky origins of humanity, comparing to the origins of Christ, point to the real possibility that whoever crafted humanity, followed it up with a second wave of premeditated propaganda and ultimate control.”

His remark “…the one truly puzzling feature is the lack of reference to messiah in the Old Testament. The word ‘messiah’ first appears in John 1:41…” is not really true. In the King James’ Bible, it appears in Dan 9:25-26, but since the Hebrew word mashiach is usually translated as “(the) anointed (one)”, we have to search the Bible for the latter word. “Anointed” is found in 84 verses and in a few of them, it may be understood similarly to the Christian understanding. However, this is not of major importance for the discussion here. It is, however, remarkable that Tellinger writes about “the origins of Christ” (above), when according to him no such origins can be found in the Bible.

The Bible and the whole official Christianity of the Church hypnotize us to identify Jesus with Christ, which is a cause of much misunderstanding. The Jesus of Christianity was for obvious reasons unknown before he was born in Bethlehem. The name “Yeshua” was given him there like a name is given to every child that is born. But who was he before he incarnated as this Yeshua? That we don’t know. It is, therefore, logically and naturally expected that no “Yeshua” is mentioned in the Old Testament that could be the one of Christianity (there is another Yeshua mentioned in Old Testament Apocrypha: Yeshua ben Sirah).

So who, then, is Christ? In official Christianity, he is a very high entity, close to God, who is assumed to have incarnated as Jesus. Does this make sense? That Christ, being such a high entity, would incarnate in a human body appears quite unimaginable. It is much more likely that he sent a messenger to humanity, and that this messenger was Jesus.

But “Christ” is not a name! It is the Greek translation (Christós) of the word mashiach, “the anointed one”, which is adopted in almost every modern language. We do not know a name for him. There is much confusion here. Several persons in the Old Testament were “anointed” and the word mashiach is used not only for Christ or for Jesus. Christ will most probably also not be mentioned in the Old Testament as mashiach in a “Christian” sense. He will rather have been unknown to those who wrote the parchments that after a long time were to become the Old Testament. He became known to us mainly through his message sent through Jesus.

Where do we find more information about this? There is a tradition of a very basic importance to Christianity that has been blacked out in texts and history since some 2000 years: The Gnostic Christianity. It very early became subject of rude controversy and denial, and its texts were destroyed in the first centuries. However, a collection secretly survived as if by a divine salvation plan and was rediscovered in 1945 in Nag Hammadi in Egypt. Here we get a very different view of Christianity from what the Church wants us to believe. It looks like Tellinger is not aware of what is written in these texts, so that he misses an important historical link about treason and falsification of the message that Jesus brought us.

There obviously were two circles around Jesus: an outer circle and an inner one, as mentioned above. What Jesus said in public, i.e. in the outer circle, will not be the whole message, since people were not ready to hear and understand it. Furthermore, the essential part of the message was highly “explosive” and controversial for his time.

So what was then this “explosive” part of the message? If one studies the texts of the Gnostic Christians, it becomes obvious: Yahweh is not the real god! There is one far above him that Jesus called “Father”. Yahweh is an Anunnaku (I use this simplified singular, since “Anunnaki” is plural) but the “Father” is above all Anunnaki. Such a message was, of course, “mortal” to bring in those days and it is very obvious, indeed, that Yahweh wanted this Jesus dead, and he succeeded to have him killed, hoping that this message would soon be forgotten. But it was not! It survived for a few centuries among the Gnostic Christians, who used the name Yaldabaoth (and one or two other) for Yahweh, probably so that outsiders should not easily understand who was meant. Yahweh also was successful in eradicating most of the Gnostic Christians and their texts, even though some of it survived in secret organizations and it then again surfaced among the Cathars. Then it surfaced in 1945 in Nag Hammadi to challenge Yahweh’s primary control instrument in the Western world: the Church that did and does anything possible to discredit Gnostic Christianity.

This means that we have two Jesuses: the real one and a fake pseudo-Jesus of the Church. Since Yahweh could not fully eliminate the tradition of the message, he cleverly changed it to serve his purposes and interests. The first step was to let Paul appear on the stage and teach a different Christianity. Out of that later arose a Church as an institution to manipulate the population with a “Christianity” that made people believe that Jesus’ “Father” would be Yahweh. In John 8:31-47 Jesus is quoted as telling something to the people that contradicts this, but it is – as expected – interpreted very differently by the Church.

What Tellinger writes about Jesus is in a way true, after all – about the fake Jesus of the Church! But not about the real Jesus…

[Frances2014]

Thank you for this newsletter.

I have not wanted to explore the views of Bill Deagle because of the religious connotations of his interpretation. This resistance come from my negative encounters with nuns in my childhood.

I listened to the radio interview... at least three times while doing home chores.

I did not learn anything new, but it was fun, the way he summerized the situation in a very clear way.

I just replaced the satan thing with anu and it is very interesting.

Of course Credo Mutwa and Bill Ryan... it is a joy to watch...

Blessings.

[g.k.r]

that's last years one

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