Photo of shadow of "workman" next to Curiosity Rover on Mars

[Cognitive Dissident]

I post this story because I haven't seen it elsewhere on the forum (apologies if this is a duplicate). This is from the mainstream UK press.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925341/Life-Mars-New-NASA-photo-shows-workman-fixing-space-Rover-Red-Planet-conspiracy-theorists-claim.html

Here is the photo: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/25/2508E03300000578-2925341-It_is_claimed_the_pictures_show_a_man_without_a_helmet_is_loomin-a-13_1422178057350.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/25/2508E03300000578-2925341-It_is_claimed_the_pictures_show_a_man_without_a_helmet_is_loomin-a-13_1422178057350.jpg

As you can see, it looks remarkably like the shadow of a man, with spiky hair, wearing an air tank on his back, fixing something on the rover.

It is hard to see what on the rover could cast such a shadow - I doubt there will be any explanation but it would be great to see it.

Also interesting that it appears in the mainstream press without too much debunking (although there is mention of seeing patterns in shadows, as you might expect) - they even mention Gary McKinnon: "Gary McKinnon, an alleged computer hacker, who reportedly obtained classified documents from the U.S. government, claimed he found files showing the existence of 'extra-terrestrial officers'."

Is it just me, or are things starting to get wierd in a really obvious kinda way?

[Mike Gorman]

It certainly looks like a man reaching up with his head angled also upward - wearing a light air tank. Or is it just shadow play - surely they would not release such a photo if it were
of colony personnel? Considering they are meant to meticulously air brush out anomalous features from the moon/space....

[viscountvlad]

I think it's most likely a trick of the light. Anyone with a house plant on a windowsill will most likely at some point seen it cast a shadow with a face/ profile of a human etc. people are remarkably good at spotting faces and figures in all sorts of places. That's why cloud gazing is such fun!

This isn't to say there aren't any people on Mars, it just seems unlikely that photos of them (or their shadows) would be released publicly. I'm sure every photo is carefully studied before publication.

[MorningFox]

We already have a thread about this, and frankly one was too many. Your brain is filling in the blanks

Let's at least try to keep some level of rationality around here.

I don't doubt there are people on mars but this is ridiculous.

[Citizen No2]

Morning Fox stated: "We already have a thread about this, and frankly one was too many".

In your opinion. What is un-rational regarding the possibility of humans on Mars? Or that the 'rovers' are indeed not on Mars but Earth? These being just two points raised in the other thread.

Respectfully.

[Matt P]

It would have helped to show the other photos in the series, which I saw somewhere but can't remember. When you see the other photos, you have a chance to see the rover shadow by itself and then this other shadow comes into the photo and it helps to differentiate between the two. I don't claim to know what this is and I have serious doubts this rover is even on Mars but I welcome any and all evidence and discussion.

As for this being unlikely because all such anomalies are airbrushed out, well...where humans are involved, there are always mistakes occasionally made. Again, not that that's what happened here, just sayin. Not to mention we have heard that the government policy is to allow trickles of truth to be spread and who's to say this isn't one of those times?

Morningfox, did you notice how viscountvlad essentially said the same thing you did an hour before but was nice? Good lesson there. It IS possible to disagree, even strongly so, and still show a tiny bit of respect. Sorry to go here but this is a noticeable and tiring trend and sometimes a person must speak up.

Matt

[MorningFox]

Morning Fox stated: "We already have a thread about this, and frankly one was too many".

In your opinion. What is un-rational regarding the possibility of humans on Mars? Or that the 'rovers' are indeed not on Mars but Earth? These being just two points raised in the other thread.

Respectfully.

It appears you didn't read my post properly. I stated that I don't doubt there are people on mars.

What lacks rationality is seeing a shadow that ever so vaguely resembles a human shape and assuming it's a human.

It's threads like this that aid in clouding the real truth from people that still need to be convinced by fueling the air of ridicule that already permeates the subject.

Mpennery, nowhere have I been unkind or disrespectful. If you choose to interpret it that way then the problem lies with yourself.

Best wishes
MF

[Citizen No2]

Thread can be found here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79246-A-very-humanoid-figure-in-Mars-Rover-photo

Regards.

[Cidersomerset]

I was being polite on the other thread to keep the thread going for a while
and there is plenty of other Mars info on there, as I got a bit carried away.LOL
But the photo is the shadow of the rover arm by the looks of it....


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79246-A-very-humanoid-figure-in-Mars-Rover-photo&p=925976#post925976


Alien, Man's Shadow Next To Mars Curiosity? 2012 HD

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I think its just a trick of the light , I was looking for more pictures
of the Rovers shadow to compare, but who knows ??

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/proj/msl/redops/ods/surface/sol/00053/opgs/edr/fcam/FLA_402204165EDR_F0043232FHAZ00302M_.JPG

[Citizen No2]

mpennery states: It would have helped to show the other photos in the series, which I saw somewhere but can't remember. When you see the other photos, you have a chance to see the rover shadow by itself and then this other shadow comes into the photo and it helps to differentiate between the two.

I too have seen the picture set, I shall attempt to find them and post here.

Thank you MorningFox but I am more than capable of reading three lines of text and understanding. I agree that simple cases of pareidolia are nothing to get excited about, in and of themselves, but the expanding discussion resulting from the original thread has some interesting points.

As always,

Respectfully.

[MorningFox]

Thank you MorningFox but I am more than capable of reading three lines of text and understanding.

You asked me what I thought was irrational about humans on mars even though I stated that I believed humans were on mars. Excuse me for assuming you hadn't read my post correctly...

[Citizen No2]

To see human form or faces in objects is not un-rational but is in fact rational, infact we are hard wired to do so.

Pareidolla:

Pareidolia (/pærɨˈdoʊliə/ parr-i-doh-lee-ə) is a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant. Common examples include seeing images of animals or faces in clouds, the man in the moon or the Moon rabbit, and hearing hidden messages on records when played in reverse.

The word comes from the Greek words para (παρά, "beside, alongside, instead [of]") in this context meaning something faulty or wrong; and the noun eidōlon (εἴδωλον "image, form, shape"), the diminutive of eidos. Pareidolia is a type of apophenia, seeing patterns in random data.

From our friends at Wiki.

As ever,


Respectfully.

[Cognitive Dissident]

Thank you everyone for the replies. I should have done some more searching to see that this picture had already been posted. Need to use more keywords next time!

I agree that which planet the Rover is on is open to question - also that NASA tries to remove any "interesting" images before they are posted on the internet. Having said that, there are plenty of images which have slipped through the net.

I will try and find a better example next time, and also to search the forum more carefully before posting it.

[MorningFox]

To see human form or faces in objects is not un-rational but is in fact rational, infact we are hard wired to do so.

Pareidolla:

Pareidolia (/pærɨˈdoʊliə/ parr-i-doh-lee-ə) is a psychological phenomenon involving a vague and random stimulus (often an image or sound) being perceived as significant. Common examples include seeing images of animals or faces in clouds, the man in the moon or the Moon rabbit, and hearing hidden messages on records when played in reverse.

The word comes from the Greek words para (παρά, "beside, alongside, instead [of]") in this context meaning something faulty or wrong; and the noun eidōlon (εἴδωλον "image, form, shape"), the diminutive of eidos. Pareidolia is a type of apophenia, seeing patterns in random data.

From our friends at Wiki.

As ever,


Respectfully.



Rationality is recognising pareidolla.

[Citizen No2]

Rationality is recognising pareidolla.

A good point, well made MorningFox.


Regards.

[Carmody]

Rationality is recognising pareidolla.

A good point, well made MorningFox.


Regards.

Which is such a critical function in the depth of the unconscious aspects of the human mind. so much so, that just about any given commercial device, purse, shoe, TV, clothing, kitchen utensil and device, washing machine, chair, art, uniform, all of it...specifically CARS, are designed to appeal to this unconscious animal component of the human condition.

[Apulu]

We already have a thread about this, and frankly one was too many. Your brain is filling in the blanks

Let's at least try to keep some level of rationality around here.

I don't doubt there are people on mars but this is ridiculous.

I think I have to mostly agree with mpennery here morning fox. I think there is nothing essentially what you are saying, obviously, but I too think you could be a lot more careful in how you say it. Certainly, people are entirely responsible for how they take things, but if you look at your wording, you have said, in no uncertain terms (even if not your intention):

1. The post has no level of rationality.
2. The post is ridiculous.
3. You KNOW what you say to be true.

No matter how good your intentions are, you can't possibly be sure of the falsity of this photo, so I feel no matter how unlikely this photo is to be revealing something, there is nothing wrong with people choosing to debate it. Weighing in with your opinion that it is unworthy of anyone's consideration I feel is counter-productive to one of the main tenets of Avalon, which surely is not to overlook anything. If this photo is given proper consideration, then I feel the collective should be trusted to come to the right conclusion about it, without your statements of undeniable fact, which, no matter how you put it, are still just your opinion in this case.

Peace to you morningfox, Laurence

[Fox]

It's the responsibility of the individual to not be offended by other views. It is also the responsibility of the individual to know if they are affecting others negatively by their actions. Just be responsible on both sides and stop turning threads into egofests. Rover anomalies are quite a fun and entertaining topic for some of us! There are easy ways of saying you think this silly without being condescending. Bad vibes in these two threads, makes my heart race.

[noprophet]

Rationality is recognising pareidolla.

A good point, well made MorningFox.


Regards.

Which is such a critical function in the depth of the unconscious aspects of the human mind. so much so, that just about any given commercial device, purse, shoe, TV, clothing, kitchen utensil and device, washing machine, chair, art, uniform, all of it...specifically CARS, are designed to appeal to this unconscious animal component of the human condition.

Or as Joseph Farrell said:

"That fundamentally, at its root, in this esoteric symbolic cosmology, that you're dealing with a universe whose principal constitution is analogy. It's analogical. You're moving from similarities of something in one context to similarities of something in another context, that's the way analogies work. But they're saying the analogy is a constitutive principle of the cosmos itself and that it can be symbolized therefore and manipulated."

If you consider that this may be true, that reality is actually not some disconnected cacophony of chaotic particle interactions but rather a well ordered and reactive illusion; then terms such as pareidola and apophenia become direct opposition to your awareness of that reality.

[Olam]

We already have a thread about this, and frankly one was too many. Your brain is filling in the blanks

Let's at least try to keep some level of rationality around here.

I don't doubt there are people on mars but this is ridiculous.

We are all searching for the truth in the dream.
We all dream of finding our way in the truth.
Everyones dream must be respected, no matter how different it is from yours.
many blessings to you.

[Gaia]

This recent NASA photo is excellent fodder for tabloids, and it sparks a lot of chatter among conspiracy theorists. However, the picture only shows the rover itself or some other naturally occurring structure on the planet.

[Salv8tion]

While this picture could just be a trick of the eye, the more important information that was accompanied by that article was of Gary Mckinnon. Does anyone have an update on that guy?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30546-What-happened-to-Gary-McKinnon

Last time I was here I posted in the thread pasted above asking about him. I just checked his mom's twitter account (@JanisSharp) and she seems to be caught up in a retweet frenzy of lost/missing kids/people, with no real update of her son's failed extradition from the UK to the United States. Could anyone lead me in the right direction on an update for this guy? Thanks!