Do you think every human is an immortal, individuated reincarnating spirit? [Archive]

Lysaur

26th January 2015, 01:40

I keep hearing that a lot of esoteric researchers, new agers, and fringe truther people often say they believe everyone is an immortal, individuating, reincarnating soul, that basically everyone on earth has the same potential for spiritual development int his life and throughout reincarnations. I adamantly disagree. I agree with the Gnostics, and esoteric teachers like John Baines, Boris Mouravieff, Dion Fortune, and others even the popular Mr. Michael Tsarion. I believe about half or more, closer to the majority of humans on earth are mere extensions of a collective human group soul. I don't mean this in an ideological, philosophical sense of mental belief systems and lifestyles choices, I mean it more in a real, fundamental 'we're not created equal sense'.

People waste their energy trying to awaken people who can not be awakened, because they don't have the metaphysical structures in their soul that would allow processing of higher spiritual information, like the higher chakras. Other names for these people include hylics, nonhumans, spiritless humans, sheeple, pre-Adamics, and [the more ambiguous and less specific term] organic portals.

What do you think? I think it's more comforting to falsely assume that the only difference in humans is that some souls are more learned, and some less so, but I think there are basically 2 kinds of humans on earth. One kind has a connection to higher spiritual realms, and the other is solely a creation of this world, with no complicating higher spiritual appendage.

I've seen this my whole life intuitively, but I notice it's only a minority of very fringe esoteric people who understand and speak about this.

These 2 classes of humans on earth make for the perfect energy harvesting human farm psychic vampirism loosh factory environment.. [please don't mind my messy writing style]. While one kind of human draws energy from the spiritual realms, the other kind devoid of this connection unconsciously vampirizes this energy. :faint2:

Shezbeth

26th January 2015, 01:53

I agree with your overall premise, and I appreciate your mention of the term 'organic portals' (I was thinking it in the lead-up to the actual name-drop). One of my earliest (and among my favorite) sources of inspiration was Carlos Castaneda who drew the distinction as "Those who are going to live forever" and "Those who are going to die". In context, those who are going to live forever are those who are - as you indicate - are incapable, unwilling, etc. for whatever reasons to learn, develop, grow, emerge, etc. Those who are going to die are those who recognize that at the very least - regardless of one's perception of afterlife, reincarnation, etc. - their physiological body is a finite structure from which death is inevitable and drawing perpetually nearer.

To the latter, there is not a moment to waste, while to the former there is no time that is wasted. In a manner of speaking the former could be said to reincarnate, as the continued manifestation of those who will not die would seem to indicate that the same/similar ideologically inclined individuals are themselves continued expressions of former llke-minded individuals. To the latter, well likewise could also be said.

Personally, I prescribe to the ideology that I Am a sovereign awareness, that the choice of individuated freedom - both in and beyond the body - AS WELL AS the potential for reincarnation is for Me to choose. Whether this is even in the cards or not will be proven in time, and truthfully I prescribe to the idea that everyone who is convicted to one result or another is blowing smoke.

robinr1

26th January 2015, 01:55

I would agree.....100 percent...well said.

but will be eager to read the other responses....as I think most folks here will disagree.

Lysaur

26th January 2015, 02:35

It seems like in this Matrix reality world, many of the people are backdrop, placeholder characters incapable of seeing beyond their programming. They actually don't make much sense, it's like trying to get a video-game character to do something that the video-game programmer did not encode the character to be able to do. While on the other hand, you have genuine monad spirits incarnate in this world held prisoner from higher, spiritual realms. Many spirits seen how their kin were trapped and tricked into staying here, and came to rescue them, but many of them too, got trapped here. In Truman Cash's writings, you will see how the aliens refer to human bodies as "containers" in which they "contain" human spirits.

I am also interested in seeing how others here respond, or don't respond or react... I tried to present the theory in a thought-stimulating, semi-obnoxious but intelligent way.

I think too many people falsely project their spiritual qualities onto those who have none. And they do not understand they are only seeing a reflection of their own spiritual energies, which are being psychically sampled (unconsciously) by the vampiristic type, who naturally, automatically mirrors the spiritual energies back to the other... that builds rapport, and magnetic connection. So, ensouled, or 'spirited' type people feel very comfortable around these types often because they mirror their own spiritual / psychic energies, and don't emit any of their own, so their blandness is rather calm and undisturbing [don't mistake absent-mindedness and emptiness for purity and saintliness, real people have real wounds, and real energies and emotions], without the stimulating spiritual influence you'd get around a vibrant, individuated-monad soul type person. Plus, people like others who stimulate their lower chakras guiltlessly and pretend they are simple animals as an excuse to ignore the harsh complicating conscience of their higher aspects indicating they should practice discipline and higher awareness.

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Shezbeth

26th January 2015, 03:28

Ah! But the mirror presents a reflection - but an opposite reflection - and thereby one can detect the psychic and/or vampiric (artificial and/or disingenuous) emulation.

When one stands before a mirror and raises their right hand, the reflection will raise its left hand. In a philosophical sense, this is how one can determine a 'copier' from one who has or is applying similar ideology. A true mutually understanding individual will likewise raise their right hand.

Lysaur

26th January 2015, 03:35

Psychic vampires are your enemies and teachers. They reflect your weaknesses. Clean up your life, your soul, and the negative forces don't have much to work with. People focus too much on outward appearances and don't realize their internal thoughts, their silent words, beliefs, feelings, and also everything in their subconscious directlY influences what they experience.

ghostrider

26th January 2015, 05:04

the ET's say , the human being bears a spirit that does not die and does not sleep in the deepest sleep , it records all thoughts and motions , it informs the human if his thoughts are correct or false if he has learned to pay attention to it ... semjase speaking in contact report 10 , March 26, 1975 at 3:20 PM ... it incarnates for 40-60 million years then reaches a half spirit body , then for a further 40-60 Billion years until it enters the realm where it no longer needs a material body but , enters the first pure spirit level of Arahat Athersata , then further learning to the next level of seven levels the final being Petale ...

Shezbeth

26th January 2015, 05:05

Agreed. It is important that the reflection one is analyzing is true. Continuing with the mirror example/metaphor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkEAzP1-t6Q

Philaletheian

26th January 2015, 06:05

Referring back to the sleepers, i think this is the reason why the ancient mystics, sages and esoteric schools had a special way of choosing their candidates to see if they had a higher connection, and through rigorous training connect them back to the source and help them in understanding their specific purpose, usually in advancing or raising the level of consciousness. But if you would have to classify them into groups, i think it would be way more than 2 classes. But no matter the group, each living being has a purpose or a goal from the mundane to the noble. As for reincarnation i would go with karma and moksha.

Ellisa

26th January 2015, 06:44

I do not believe in an after-life, but I thought that the whole point of the concept of some sort of existence into eternity is that death is the ultimate equaliser.

naste.de.lumina

26th January 2015, 10:33

People waste their energy trying to awaken people who can not be awakened, because they don't have the metaphysical structures in their soul that would allow processing of higher spiritual information, like the higher chakras. Other names for these people include hylics, nonhumans, spiritless humans, sheeple, pre-Adamics, and [the more ambiguous and less specific term] organic portals.

In your opinion these souls who have no metaphysical structures in their soul were created in this format or
are souls that have been modified for this purpose?

Mutchie

26th January 2015, 11:00

I think we are spiritually immortal & we live many lives in this virtual construct or matrix ... I wouldnt like to label anyone as being unable to progress saying that though i suppose you have a point some people could be destined to repeat certain behaviors again & again & again .... I think this world we live in is designed to hold us back & keep us down you look at our world leaders & you wander who is manipulating them because they dont act SANE !!! its war its ebola its isis & if they sort that then more problems will follow its all WE EVER GET IS BAD NEWS !!!;)

Maunagarjana

26th January 2015, 12:57

The way I see it is that all can and will be awakened. We are all from the Source, and we are on a long journey back to the Source that will take us countless lifetimes. That is ultimately who we all are, imho....the Source of All That Is. We are sparks of the divine who have come to experience an extreme form of limitation and separation and to find our way back home. There are stages to this process, and some are at earlier stages, either because they haven't been at it for very long, or because they are slow learners. I wouldn't say it's entirely a waste to try to wake up others who are asleep, but it is best to focus one's efforts on those who already have somewhat of a clue. No need to waste your time on fools. Focus on people with, as the Buddha put it, "only a little dust in their eyes."

In the end, every foolish and ignorant person, over vast periods of time will become a fully enlightened being. Of this, I have no doubt. However long this takes is up to them. I do not believe there are spiritless people, just ones who have, for the time being, heavy blockages in the energy centers of their energy body (or bodies.) And everyone who is not enlightened has such blockages, no matter how subtle. But they can be unblocked by working on oneself through various spiritual practices. Do we choose reincarnation? Yes, I think so, but our reasons for doing so and what we choose will be based on the condition of our own mind. But there is no wrong choice. It's all just a matter of what you want to experience.

joeecho

26th January 2015, 13:39

Incarnation/ reincarnation offers the 'appearance' of individuated spirit otherwise Spirit is All.

Bee

26th January 2015, 13:52

Very interesting discussion! :) I fully agree with different possibilities people have and the statement was made, that some people do not have the ability right now or even in this life to awaken to a much higher vibration. We need to learn to accept that every soul is on a very different level right now and has an intent to come into this body.
I agree that work has to be done thus all the mystic schools have chosen to train people thoroughly and this way it shows who has the potential to go on and growth more in the current life time.

Working in the spiritual sense is learning as much as we can: read, listen and observe. Learn from all encounters.
Castaneda, Gurdjieff and Laura Knight-J saying all the same and of course many others have said so over the last thousands of years.

We all do our best and yes it's good to accept that we cannot ever change or advance anyone else, we already have enough to do with our own growth.

Thanks everyone for your contributions! :)

Wind

26th January 2015, 14:09

This is what I believe in, not much else makes sense to me: http://www.michaelteachings.com/soul_age_index.html

eaglespirit

26th January 2015, 14:11

What do you think?

Miracles ARE Upon Us Now...and this ain't 'new age', it is simply, powerfully here, now,
in my loving humble opinion!

Miracles!!!

The Energy to help 'higher transform' is all around us now, no disclusions,
only persistent defiants will go another way...way, way away!

That's what I think...: )
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Lysaur

26th January 2015, 14:56

In your opinion these souls who have no metaphysical structures in their soul were created in this format or
are souls that have been modified for this purpose?
They're missing the higher chakras. They operate with the lower, base, primal emotions. Sexuality, survival, physicality, biology, ego.

Ancient human history involved greater beings upgrading our ancestral 'ape-man' to create different kinds of human slaves / or maybe it was to give human gifts... Boris Mouravieff called the first born creation of humans pre-Adamics, then the later creation, with the higher chakras, the Adamics. The higher chakras allow a spirit to incarnate into it.

Lysaur

26th January 2015, 15:13

But no matter the group, each living being has a purpose or a goal from the mundane to the noble.
What the Gnostics termed the "Hylic" type human individual... their purpose in life does not seem to be spiritual development. There aren't lessons that seem to have a meaning extending beyond this one incarnation. It's like their lives are wild card, chance-events int his world. There is no complicating higher conscience calling them higher, and so there life is straightforward, problems resolved naturally with compromise to fit in this world.

While Spirited people have transcendental conscience, carry past-life baggage, knowledge, and pre-incarnative goals.

Carmody

26th January 2015, 15:19

This is as near as a 'full on real world test' of being a energy being in a pure energy environment, as a developing being will probably ever get to experience.

You can come here once, or come here a thousand times, if you wish.

But not all of you gets to come here, not all of you is allowed to be here, in a single vessel/avatar/human body, as the danger is real. The losses are real. You may lose part of yourself, in the given experience, but the essence remains, to take another shot at it, if desired.

Some come here and take big risks, some take small, some come just for a look around, some call it home, and some just play for fun.

Sometimes it gets out of hand, and the gatekeepers have to ..uhm....make adjustments. Adjustments that are subtle and as unnoticeable as is possible, unless...situations require ..something a little more. Little steps --it's a big machine.

Lysaur

26th January 2015, 15:29

I will share some links and resources about this for those inclined to look deeper into this matter. This is a well-covered theme covered in many other places as well:

- read where the poster "Enyel" writes about the two types of humans: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=270130&highlight=enyel

- Organic Portals – Soulless humans
By Bernhard Guenther (http://veilofreality.com/2011/04/18/organic-portals-soulless-humans/)

- Spiritless Humans
montalk.net » 27 April 09 (http://montalk.net/matrix/157/spiritless-humans)

- Organic Portals Theory: Sources (http://montalk.net/opsources.pdf)

- Organic Portals � The �Other� Race
Part I - Laura Knight (http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/organic_portals.htm) (disregard their warning and tiff against Montalk)

- Gnostic Term: HYLIC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hylics)

- The Backdrop People (http://in2worlds.net/thoughts) (search this page for the terms "Backdrop People" (control / command + F)

- Montalk - 1. What is the Matrix Control System?: good video where he mentions fully programmed spiritless humans, their function as 'hired clappers', and I think vampirism as well.
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The Hive Minds and Soulless Beings of The Matrix
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- Back Drop and Back Fill People - Dolores Cannon & Guy Steven Needler
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Jake

26th January 2015, 15:31

Nay they are not missing Chakras. Perhaps not yet grown into them.. ;)

I remember about the only thing from Delores Cannons material that I did NOT resonate with, was the concept of 'background people'... You have descibed it in different terms, and that helps greatly, thank you...

I, personally,, can't bring myself to exhault myself over another... I heiarchy of souls confuses me something terrible... A slippery slope,, methinks...

This universe acts and reacts in terms of POTENTIALS... Yes I believe we are immortal.. I have no choice really,, as I have been beyond physicality manymany times. For me to look at another and tell myself that they are somehow without potential,, would be devistating to my core belief... Can u imagine much higher beings will consider us to have no soul whatsoever? Imho,, there is no 'one size fits all' when it comes to a soul... Consciousness can claim identity at any level,, is this a soul? When I look into someones eyes,, (regardless of their respective levels of informational and spiritual attainment) there is someone looking back...

People view spirituality as levels of attainment, and that is flawed... Sure we add more as we go,, but we must also shed layers as we go too...

The entirety of all matter only exists within a conscious sphere... Our definition of soul is still unfolding...

Are we complete and whole without the others? No, I dont think so.. Nobody gets left behind.... :):):)

(And nobody is missing Chakras,,, imho)

Jake

Lysaur

26th January 2015, 15:52

Nay they are not missing Chakras. Perhaps not yet grown into them..

Clairvoyants see something missing in the energy bodies of masses of people. Like in Carlos Castaneda's teachings, the sorcerers saw people were missing a big chunk in their energetic cocoons of light that made them different. Many people are missing something in their auras according to clairvoyants.

There is a difference between Spirit and Soul.

Back in the day, humans were referred to as having Spirit + Soul + Body. Now people just say it is just Soul and Body, but it's not that simple. That's only the case for those kinds of people.

The soul is the astral body, seat of passions, emotions, thoughts, emotions. It connects, and translates the Spirit to the body like peanut butter in a sandwich. The Spirit is the core godspark of consciousness that reincarnates, learns spiritual lessons, is unique, and eternally perfect, a holographic fragment of the God-Source. When humans die, I think the biological body is fed to the Earth, and the astral soul body fed to the moon, but the lessons and experiences that became distilled and imprinted to he Spirit level remain in the Spirit forever.

So Hylic people have body and soul, but do not have the 3rd complicating factor, which is spirit. It is not about making value judgements, just about understanding each other so we can all get along.

When I look into people's eyes I can tell a lot of things about a person instantly. There are some huge differences in people. There are reasons why masses of people are incapable of seeing beyond the standard mental brainwashing conditioned into them by 'the Matrix' (school, religion, media, science, etc..). It is not that people are simply dumb, or slow, but that we are designed differently. Like cats and dogs, the cat isn't better, nor the dog, though they have 4 legs, and other similarities, they're different and complimentary beings with their own strengths and weaknesses.

The scene in They Live where John Carpenter sees the demonic beings beyond the masks of some people hints of this. Also, the mass's fetish for zombie themes in the media shows that more people are becoming sub-consciously aware of the 'not so spiritually alive people inside' surrounding them.

I think there is a difference between people who have the higher chakras dormant, just waiting to be aroused, with potential to be awakened, verses, the people who aren't encoded with these astral structures in their being.

Lysaur

26th January 2015, 15:56

It's not a pleasant, warm and fuzzy subject to talk about. But even Jesus wasn't always warm and fuzzy. Didn't he say he came to cause division, to separate people or something along those lines? Christ didn't teach everyone to be warm and fuzzy and hope their warm fuzziness will warm up and make all the evilness turn warm and fuzzy. He was about knowledge, getting people to connect with God so they can wake up and escape the hells of this world.

Wind

26th January 2015, 16:02

“Question, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself."

Meaning love everyone else, for they are you, because we all are part of the Source/Creator.

Lysaur

26th January 2015, 16:09

Meaning love everyone else, for they are you, because we all are part of the Source.

I agree, but this doesn't mean psychopaths are the same as compassionate people, or crocodiles are the same as kittens. God loves all the evil and the good from his perspective, but we operate from our own perspective. And I agree, to love the goodness in people, to see past the evil. "Forgive them for they know not what they do" what Jesus said I think about people being under demonic mind-control.

Though in Gnosticism, teachers like John Lash talk about how many people are connected tot he Goddess Sophia. We are the living embodying elements of that Goddess incarnate on Earth. But the Archons are of a different creator, they called the Corrupt Demiurge. I tend to resonate more with this theory than a simpler 'one-size-fits-all approach' that says we're basically all the same -- because there are very huge differences. [I'll be a little dramatic here for a second...] do you think a Reptilian being possessed by a demon from hell is going to change because you love him? Or will he just manipulate you because of that love, then eat you for dinner? I don't know if we should love all evil. "Be gentle as doves, yet wise as serpents." To really love we need wisdom and knowledge to apply it properly.

Jake

26th January 2015, 16:27

Agreed, brother, ,, lead on.... :)

it is quite difficult to explain the multi dimensional nature of a living Universe,, only using Judao-Christian terms... Id be grumpy and unpleasant too... lol...

I see consciousness as giant spheres, pushing outward in waves of 'knowing',, creating Entire universes,,, physical or not, doesn't matter..

(Did you catch that? I said 'physical or not,,, doesn't matter',, I crack myself up..):););):)

Like foam on the shore or the beach... Consciousness is the sea, we are the foamy biproduct,, trying to understand the universe... if we silence ourselves, and allow ourselves to shed physical layers,, we can swim in the great sea again,, whole again,, healed...... The foam being the same as the sea, in a different form.. We BECOME the sea... At any point we can look out and say, I AM.. Drawing an identity of self, through reflection... Is this self identity a soul? The tighter we attempt to grasp the concept of a soul,,, the more of it that slips out of our hands,, like sand on the beach....

If someone comes along and pul l s 99 butterflies from their cocoon too early,, they will never learn to fly... (even though they have wings..)

We have our energetic/spiritual centers/chakras... The natural development of said attributes has been augmented... It is unfortunate, but it does not mean that they do not exist..

Human consciousness creates matter,, buckyball scale... Somewhere there is a large mind (consciousness) that is breaking superposition, andcreating this reality from a much higher perspective..

I posit that we are ALL part of the unfolding of a greater mind... Nobody is left out... As far as existing goes,, we all have the same question to ask ourselves... To be, or NOT???

Jake

Carmody

26th January 2015, 16:37

The organic portal thing is a very dangerous area; one has to be careful as it can enable Aryan/elitist/fascist/imperialistic/oligarchical 'us vs them' thinking in the body.

Lysaur

26th January 2015, 16:46

(Did you catch that? I said 'physical or not,,, doesn't matter',, I crack myself up..)

haha nice pun!

If someone comes along and pul l s 99 butterflies from their cocoon too early,, they will never learn to fly... (even though they have wings..)

I kinda understand what you mean by this, but it's still confusing and an odd way to put it.

The organic portal thing is a very dangerous area; one has to be careful as it can enable Aryan/elitist/fascist/imperialistic/oligarchical 'us vs them' thinking in the body.
That's an important point, thanks for sharing.

I'm actually very surprised more people don't talk about these kinds of things. Growing up, I always sensed big differences about people, how many people don't have real empathy. Isn't that amazing? Or does everyone think all humans have the same empathy? People are so willing to talk about reptilians, and the new world order, and grey hybrid projects, but when it comes tot his subject, people get a little tense. I guess you could chalk it up to a simple meme of: 'some souls are older / wiser, and some are just infant souls'. Yet I find the real absence of conscience and individual creativity in so many people as quite shocking. I believe understanding and incorporating these understandings of different kinds of humans into our lives, personal, and at large, will lead to a more harmonious, supportive, and complimentary society.

Wind

26th January 2015, 16:58

I agree, but this doesn't mean psychopaths are the same as compassionate people, or crocodiles are the same as kittens.

Of course not, because psychopaths have severely disconnected their connection to source. They lack the essential parts when it comes to being a compassionate human being, they're barely even human, in fact I think that most of them are controlled by negative entities. When Jesus saw hypocrites or wicked people he called or drove them out. I guess he didn't mind giving out tough love too?

"But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked."

"A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of."

"Blessed are you who hunger now, for you will be satisfied. Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh."

Jake

26th January 2015, 18:18

Carmody

26th January 2015, 18:25

The organic portal thing is a very dangerous area; one has to be careful as it can enable Aryan/elitist/fascist/imperialistic/oligarchical 'us vs them' thinking in the body.
That's an important point, thanks for sharing.

I'm actually very surprised more people don't talk about these kinds of things. Growing up, I always sensed big differences about people, how many people don't have real empathy. Isn't that amazing? Or does everyone think all humans have the same empathy? People are so willing to talk about reptilians, and the new world order, and grey hybrid projects, but when it comes tot his subject, people get a little tense. I guess you could chalk it up to a simple meme of: 'some souls are older / wiser, and some are just infant souls'. Yet I find the real absence of conscience and individual creativity in so many people as quite shocking. I believe understanding and incorporating these understandings of different kinds of humans into our lives, personal, and at large, will lead to a more harmonious, supportive, and complimentary society.

"Listen son", said the man with the gun, "There's room for you inside"

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soulsinger

26th January 2015, 20:32

I agree with Carmody that the idea of two kinds of humans-- some with spirit and some without-- is dangerous. It is very seductive to those of us who want to be "spiritual" and "evolving," and who encounter people who don't seem to be on the same path (at least right now).

I feel it would be detrimental to my spiritual development, were I to adopt this idea and view humans in this way. I feel it would impede my ability to grow in empathy and generosity.

And why would I care to spend my precious mental energy, categorizing humans in this way? This would take my mind's focus off of my personal responsibility to mature spiritually. These categories could seduce me into dismissing the experience of some people, and shrinking my capacity to influence positively.

I choose not to believe that some humans are incapable of advancing spiritually. I definitely choose not to believe that there are "backdrop people." These beliefs could so easily solidify into an elitist, cruel way of dealing with other people.

WhiteLove

26th January 2015, 21:23

In the process of being conscious in this life, I have gained insight about what it is like to exist here on this earth and what it is like to have normal dreams, what it is like to exist in and be conscious in a different realm, one of peace and what it is like to pass beyond that realm into the next - a much much higher one.

In all of these experiences the consciousness has been able to pass beyond the limitations within these realms into the next, but when I went into the much higher realm I did not do so alone. First there was a soul fusion process taking place with my soulmate - our love accelerated beyond the levels available in the realm we were in, which was a much much more peaceful place than here on this earth, over there you were basically light like a child in terms of body weight but in your best teen/young years and could kind of move from moment to moment with thought in an instance.

So one thing that differs between these realms is their level of peace, their level of weight/density and the elasticity/flexibility within space and time. I did not perceive myself as a different being over there, it was still me like how I perceive me in consciousness here on this earth, the difference was in the level of knowing about truth, and how that understanding impacted on the consciousness, in that peaceful realm everything was communicated and understood emotionally and it was just so incredibly emotional there.

I could really sense that there was a difference in the kind of vibrational frequency of that realm compared to this one, in that realm it was much slower actually, the slowness in vibration did not cause density, it caused peace.

When love accelerated, it was an acceleration in love frequency, but it is as if a high love frequency causes a low overall vibration, in other words the closer to source/truth/unconditional love you get, the more still/peaceful it becomes.

And although I did not go all the way into the third realm but very very far towards it, I could kind of sense that what was there was a realm of total peace/love/source itself.

The reason why I believe this was because the love within me and my soulmate seemed to accelerate up to infinity and if it really was infinite, then it at least seems logical that we reached God/source/home.

From this experience it appeared as if I had made a journey with a soul friend into this experience that we call earth/world/life, re-united at a pre-heaven realm and then from there went into source together. In other words from my experience it appears that consciousness can detach and move inter-dimensionally.

The key to this less degree of limitation and more of truth, is through unconditional love. That's in my understand the infinite fabric/isness/God/source of creation.

birddog

26th January 2015, 23:07

I believe enlightenment is a personal choice, and individual intent. We are all responsible for our own choices...it is not a group thing. However, the sum total of those who decide to pursue enlightenment or not, may decide the frequency of the planet, as each of us give off our own 'light'. The brighter the lights of the aura, the 'lighter' the frequency, thus the greater the mass with the higher frequency, the higher the frequency of the planet. One effects the other.

I believe that there is no higher or lower, but we each are here to learn from one another...however, there are always some who refuse, or can't learn for one reason or another. I believe we each are judged by 'where we are and what we know'.

I believe we all have eternal life, but not all will have life in heaven after this life...many will be back here on Earth..to continue learning.

I can bring in large amounts of energy from the universe, and I believe most gifted healers can do the same.

Finally, I have also encountered a psychic vampire, two different times, and both times I believe they were alien in nature. A certain kind of alien can draw energy from us much like the "Raith alien race" once on TV. The thing is, I didn't age when this happened, but it almost killed me the second time. The aliens didn't look like the Raith on TV. Both appeared human, but obviously, there was something else going on with the speed the energy was flying out of me. Both times it was a deliberate attempt to extract energy.

Interestingly, both energy 'vampires' told me that I had large amounts of energy. Personally, I believe that those who are sending out large amounts of energy,
tend to carry this around with them, as they work with this amount of energy.

bearcow

26th January 2015, 23:11

"hungry ghosts", energy vampires that commonly troll the lower astral are sometimes former human beings that have severed their connection with their spirit. They sometimes inhabit a physical body but in this age are extremely rare. hence all the legends of vampires, ghouls, etc.

Most people living in the world today have a very tenuous connection to their spirit. The connection is there, but the line of communication is blocked.

The only fight in the world that matters is for a persons soul, either it is dragged down and forever loses sight of it's inner light (spirit), or rises up and becomes one with it.

joeecho

27th January 2015, 02:58

Agreed. It is important that the reflection one is analyzing is true. Continuing with the mirror example/metaphor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkEAzP1-t6Q

Spirit is caught in reflection and it's only escape is to stop looking. The problem is that by the time that is realized it will be perceived as death act which is another trick of the mirror.

The mirror has a grip on everyone to varying degrees.

http://boardofwisdom.com/cachetogo/images/quotes/343244.png

GloriousPoetry

27th January 2015, 20:09

Lysaur,

Your thread touches on some thoughts I have about one of my friends. She's a jehovah witness and just observing her belief system suggest to me a very controlled and vampire like religion. From my perspective she is so very disempowered in her life and a big reason I believe is her bizarre religion. I never touch the subject of religion with her.....because if I did she is not ready to hear my perspective on so many levels. I also don't want to be responsible for bursting her bubble about who she is really praising as a god. But then again I don't think I would burst anything in her since my friend like a lot of people are so marinated with religious doctrine that they can't imagine anything outside that realm of belief.

This being said does giving her free will away to a synthetic god like Jehovah drain her soul of spiritual substance? What happens to souls like her who I believe do have spirit inside of them but who are in constant struggle with their synthetic and delusional god?

bodhii71

29th January 2015, 02:58

If one can perceive that it is possible to recognize our base nature, aka awakening, we come to realize it is only one. This has been reflected over and over again by those who have pierced the veil. Within this all is contained. I guess one can look at it that from the perspective that time is an illusion and with that, this sense of self is immortal.

The mind will die, the body will die, what remains is pure awareness, this is what we are. But is it separate from the rest of consciousness, God? That has not been my experience, yet there is part of me that continually strives to maintain that type of thinking. Upon reflecting on this, it is what keeps us "small" and identified with a limited sense of self.
Our lives are like a portrait framed in death, yet we are not those lives, we are the painter. I think that without dying there are some things we will not know, aren't meant to know, it ruins the fun.

Lysaur

4th February 2015, 18:19

Lysaur

4th February 2015, 18:23

Lysaur

4th February 2015, 18:36

From my perspective she is so very disempowered in her life and a big reason I believe is her bizarre religion. I never touch the subject of religion with her.....because if I did she is not ready to hear my perspective on so many levels.

@ GloriousPoetry

All you can do is throw some hints out there, but it's not up to you to decide if she wants something better. Perhaps her lifestyle and beliefs in that religion protect her from more unsettling aspects of reality she is not ready for. Perhaps you see it is a cage religion, but maybe it is keeping her from learning to much so she doesn't go crazy. Maybe she can't handle it. So we all have to go learn at our own pace. I see people live lives that look terrible to me, but I'm sure it serves some purpose for them, there is their own meaning they find in what they do. So what I mean is, jsut because we see a limiting way of life as bad for us, maybe it's okay for them and they don't mind.

...I am kind of an obnoxious guy... I used to be extremely inhibited and shy. But on occasion, I will freely speak my mind and say lots of things to shock people if I believe it's truth. I've learned that's often not the best way. It's good to speak your truth, but can get you into relationship problems.

This being said does giving her free will away to a synthetic god like Jehovah drain her soul of spiritual substance? What happens to souls like her who I believe do have spirit inside of them but who are in constant struggle with their synthetic and delusional god?

That's an awesome question! I wonder about this so much. Like all these big Superbowl rituals, getting millions of people to focus their energy on certain symbols, and deities. I believe that YES, their energy is literally being invisibly vampyrized. Humans are farmed for food. There are implants in our bodies, entity attachments, etheric parasitical jellyfish in the air, alien tethers that connect to larger etheric-energy storage systems. This etheric energy that is vampirized can be stored and used as food for certain beings, or perhaps, used to fuel some more exotic technology aliens have, like how we use oil to fuel our cars. William Baldwin's book Close Encounters of The Possession Kind explains this (rare information in his book). I can list more information and sources about this. I believe the energy collection system of earth is as complicated as our communication technologies, from micro-chip implants, cell phones, towers, cables, and satellites.

It is all about intent. If you're getting on your knees like a beggar-slave, worshipping a jealous god, you're giving your energy away, not only at a psychological level, but etheric level IMHO. This is why we shouldn't worship idols, only worship the creative spirit that manifests within you and all life. That is the real God, not an object, or name, those are beings that need our energy to sustain themselves.

Lysaur

4th February 2015, 18:40

I want to share a very good document. I believe it was written by non-human Nordic beings, or by hybrids. This talks about how our earth is splitting off into different timeline realities, and different souls go to different future timelines depending on what they resonate with: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_nexus7_03.htm

I believe, that a possible theory to explain why many people are very 'consciousness-lacking' and 'empty' and 'zombified' and 'walking dead' or 'hylic' etc.. is because most of their soul energy is invested in another timeline. Maybe another dimension or parallel reality that is more resonant tot heir own personal vibration. So what is left of them here in our personal lives, in a tiny spark, just enough to animate their shell enough to keep up appearances of normality. But we don't normally interact much with people who are not resonant to our soul vibration anyways. Like attracts like...

Jake

4th February 2015, 19:06

Interestingly, both energy 'vampires' told me that I had large amounts of energy. Personally, I believe that those who are sending out large amounts of energy,
tend to carry this around with them, as they work with this amount of energy.

The way I understand it, is the human body has flows of energy within and around it. There is a complicated etheric and astral body which connects us to our higher Spirit. There are many energy points around the body that are like 'valves'. Not just the 7 commonly talked about, but many more. It is not that 'people have more energy' it is that they have 'opened their valves' so to speak. It is a tuning of the energy body. Sometimes it's good to have them opened, sometimes not. When you leak etheric 'influence' energy, you attract entities, electronics can screw up, and vampirized like you said. Energy comes to us, and we can be receptive of it, or block it.

We can harness it within ourselves, or release it around us, or give to other people.
Like Jesus said: "I have sustenance you know nothing of." <-----etheric energy

INDEED!! Brilliant post.. Yes there are the main Chakras, I call them energy Centers,,, and I see them more as Organs for the energy body.. There are secondary, tertiary (and more) circuits' of energy, storage areas, inputs, outputs,, etc,,,, in and extending beyond the physical body.. This energetic system is counterpart to the physical body systems, and stay with the physical body. The physical body has different systems; the nervous system, the circulatory system, the muscular system, the skeletal system, etc,,,, as well as major organs that have individual functions, yet work together to complete a whole living being. It is the same with the energy body..

I had read somewhere that the word LORD translated into the term "TheCupThatSpillethOver"!!! LOOSH!!!

These days, I am becoming much more deliberate and careful when it comes to energy work.. Especially Primary center stimulation. This stuff is very real and powerful. Part of what is going to slingshot us all into the 'next level', is reawakening, and renewing of our understanding and practice of our energetic makeup...

The Archontic influence in our lives GREATLY depends on our ignorance, mistrust, and confusion regarding our energetic makeup! We can take this from them at any time.... There is a battle (of sorts) going on over our understanding and perception of physicality. As long as we cling to physicality, we will be manipulated and controlled. It is our true, NON physical nature that is being kept from us...

Like the Wizard of OZ... Once we get a glimpse of the tiny, scared, and harmless person behind the curtain, we can begin to fix things,,,, but that requires folks tackle some dark, powerful, personal demons.. if we remain afraid, ignorant and unwilling to shed lights into dark places, then we have given up our sovereignty, and have by default INVITED them to lead us into darkness.

Thank you for the perspective, Lysaur.
Jake