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[GlassSteagallfan]

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This video finally has made its way out of Kiev within the past month.

Is only 3:46 long, but it is a damning video about who is behind the war in Ukraine.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9hOl8TuBUM

[Frank V]

I'm going to be gratefully paraphrasing fellow Avalonian jerry (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?23133-jerry) (from his post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79318-Hot-War-heats-up-in-Ukraine&p=926659&viewfull=1#post926659)) by asking the question...:


Does this guy look like a Ukrainian or Russian soldier to you?

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[A Voice from the Mountains]

Sounds like a Brit or an Australian to me.

Let's not forget this either:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957


Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call

An apparently bugged phone conversation in which a senior US diplomat disparages the EU over the Ukraine crisis has been posted online. The alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, appeared on YouTube on Thursday. It is not clearly when the alleged conversation took place.

The US ambassador was discussing the replacement of Ukranian politicians. That's illegal according to the UN section referenced by the Ukranian in the video in the OP.

[Frank V]

Sounds like a Brit or an Australian to me.

Nope, that's most definitely North American English, so if he's not a US American, then he's a Canadian. But British, Australian or New Zealand English, it is definitely not.

That said, he could of course be a mercenary, rather than a US Navy SEAL or some other US black ops division -- Blackwater springs to mind, although they usually operate in teams, not as lone wolves -- and you can rest assured that MI5/MI6 and associated British commandos are also operating in that area.

But then again, the Russian military have already arrested an undercover US Navy SEAL in Crimea when the whole thing escalated, so I think we can take it for granted that SEALs are operating in Ukraine. Furthermore, the Maidan snipers were shooting at both parties in the conflict, so they were most likely outsiders as well.




Let's not forget this either:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957


Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call

An apparently bugged phone conversation in which a senior US diplomat disparages the EU over the Ukraine crisis has been posted online. The alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, appeared on YouTube on Thursday. It is not clearly when the alleged conversation took place.

The US ambassador was discussing the replacement of Ukranian politicians. That's illegal according to the UN section referenced by the Ukranian in the video in the OP.

I'm afraid we don't have to count on the UN to issue some kind of sanction against the US government.

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:
This is definitely a Canadian snared by the reported in Ukraine. How do I know? He can't forget his upbringing of politeness. His accent is Canadian and the prime minister of Canada, harper has been feeding the fire of this conflict in Crimea since the beginning. harper is so intent on getting in all the wars going on on the planet his speeches seem to resonate "war". Forget about war I think harper is trying to get make a legacy for himself before people wake up in Canada and see that we have a dictator at the controls and boot him and his cronies out of politics.
chancy

[Frank V]

Hello Everyone:
This is definitely a Canadian snared by the reported in Ukraine. How do I know? He can't forget his upbringing of politeness. His accent is Canadian and the prime minister of Canada, harper has been feeding the fire of this conflict in Crimea since the beginning. harper is so intent on getting in all the wars going on on the planet his speeches seem to resonate "war". Forget about war I think harper is trying to get make a legacy for himself before people wake up in Canada and see that we have a dictator at the controls and boot him and his cronies out of politics.
chancy

Well, technically, Canada is still part of the British Commonwealth, like Australia and New Zealand. So even though the Canadian government has a certain degree of autonomy, technically they are still under orders from (and aligned with) "Her Majesty the Queen of Great-Britain". On the other hand, given the geographical location of Canada -- i.e. it is the next door neighbor of the United States of America, bordered by the USA both in the south and in the west (by the US State of Alaska) -- and being part of the Five Eyes (USA, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand), the Canadian government is commonly politically very much aligned with the US government. The NSA even owns several facilities on Canadian soil.

In the end, this is once again a very dirty and convoluted mess, and getting to the truth of if all is very difficult even in peacetime, so it's going to be nigh impossible to identify all the players now that Ukraine is a civil war zone. All we can do is hint at a few of the usual suspects and ask the question out loud who has anything to gain from a civil war in Ukraine and from installing a decisively pro-western regime there. All we need to do is look at who's cheering for whom, and who has a history of instigating civil wars through subterfuge and subversion in sovereign nations.

Coming up with cold, hard evidence against the players is of course a whole other matter, and given the virtual immunity of the United States within the UN -- the USA doesn't even recognize the authority of the international war tribunal in De Hague -- it is then yet another big stretch to bring the culprits to justice.

Or, well, maybe the US and UK governments will blame it all on some completely unknown US/UK Army sergeant again, as they did with the atrocities committed against the detainees at Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib. Maybe they think that old trick will work again. :p

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Nope, that's most definitely North American English, so if he's not a US American, then he's a Canadian. But British, Australian or New Zealand English, it is definitely not.

If he's from the US then he's got a rather uncommonly strong northeastern accent. But he doesn't say enough for me to really get a good enough feel for it. When I first heard it, my first instinct was that it was some kind of British accent. Could be Canadian too, like the above poster says, and he was definitely more polite than someone with a similar accent from urban New York/New Jersey would likely be.

Any way, definitely part of the anglo-alliance, we could say, which is the main point. All of these nations are not exactly on different political pages when it comes to this general issue.



I'm afraid we don't have to count on the UN to issue some kind of sanction against the US government.

Well we can still take note of the section of the law. When everything is settled, if we get enough of the crooks out of power, we can start sending them over to Europe to face international war crimes charges. :)

At least that gives us something positive to think about. :)



And I agree 100% -- it is definitely a mercenary. The US, Canadian or British militaries would not be stupid enough to do this themselves when companies like Blackwater (which changes its name every few days now it seems like) will do the job just for money, no official endorsement required.

If you dig around online, there are lots of indications that the Bush-run CIA is funding these mercenaries, and people like John McCain and Joe Biden are in up to their waists in it too. If I recall correctly Joe Biden even had his son put in over the oil industry in the Ukraine, and McCain has made several visits to Kiev himself. McCain seems like he's foaming at the mouth to go to war with anyone anymore.

[jerry]

Looks like someone Id the guy through social media as British-born Leon Swampy. and had posted his profile... https://vk.com/id279619971 ...and its now deleted :confused: http://www.infowars.com/english-speaking-mercenary-in-mariupol-idd-as-brit-leon-swampy-from-london-england/

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Mainstream Media Blacks Out as U.S. House of Representatives Passes Dark War on Russia Resolution 758
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2014/12/06/512430-america-is-on-a-hot-war-footing-house-legislation-paves-the-way-for-war-with-russia/

[Frank V]

Nope, that's most definitely North American English, so if he's not a US American, then he's a Canadian. But British, Australian or New Zealand English, it is definitely not.

If he's from the US then he's got a rather uncommonly strong northeastern accent. But he doesn't say enough for me to really get a good enough feel for it. When I first heard it, my first instinct was that it was some kind of British accent. Could be Canadian too, like the above poster says, and he was definitely more polite than someone with a similar accent from urban New York/New Jersey would likely be.


New York or New Jersey was my very first thought as well, yes. :-)





I'm afraid we don't have to count on the UN to issue some kind of sanction against the US government.

Well we can still take note of the section of the law. When everything is settled, if we get enough of the crooks out of power, we can start sending them over to Europe to face international war crimes charges. :)

At least that gives us something positive to think about. :)


We could start with George W. Bush, the man who made it legal for the US government to commit war crimes and to torture people. :grin:



And I agree 100% -- it is definitely a mercenary. The US, Canadian or British militaries would not be stupid enough to do this themselves when companies like Blackwater (which changes its name every few days now it seems like) will do the job just for money, no official endorsement required.

If you dig around online, there are lots of indications that the Bush-run CIA is funding these mercenaries, and people like John McCain and Joe Biden are in up to their waists in it too. If I recall correctly Joe Biden even had his son put in over the oil industry in the Ukraine, and McCain has made several visits to Kiev himself. McCain seems like he's foaming at the mouth to go to war with anyone anymore.

John "Skull & Bones" Kerry has also made several visits to Kiev in the months before the conflict broke loose. :grin: