dictionary for proto-language

[xbusymom]

I just viewed the video done with Credo and Bill Ryan, and David Icke.
In the video Credo mentioned that there was an 'original language' from which all other languages of the world were branched off from.

I would like to find out if there is a translation dictionary for that original language, or at least find out if there is a good source language to work from.

I am working on creating an educational (truth-telling) video game that would include source-language translations for fun puzzles.

[Agape]

It's sort of simple ...starts with ma ma ma ma ma ... ;)

6 vowels and how many consonants can you subscribe to .

AH OH HMM UHM HUM ...these turn out to be one of the most important sounds in every language ..

when you get out of the motherly comfort zone of those UHM AH HUMs who embrace you safely

the outer , the other world starts where we are building borders .

THAT and TAT , THE truth , that . The Father world .

From there , all the rest of the world rebuilds its order in you and vice versa.

[Kryztian]

There is a hypothetical language "Proto Indo European", the mother tongue of that large family of languages from Sanskrit to English, including Slavic, Romantic, Germanic and many other language families, but not including Chinese, Arabic, Indonesian and many other major languages. It is theorized that the speakers of Proto Indo European lived around 3500 B.C. in an area distant from an ocean or sea.

As for an "original language", I don't know if academic linguists are working on that. I think many of us Avalonians might wonder if aspects of our languages may have originated from beyond Earth and human civilization.

[Selene]

What a brilliant summary, Agape.

The 'personal' and the 'outer' sounds... vowels and consonants. What we, as mammals, do.

Add in tonal/emotional considerations ( i.e. listen to your cat or dog or your baby vocalizing) and you have pretty much the entire spectrum of human/mammalian language.


It's sort of simple ...starts with ma ma ma ma ma ... ;)

6 vowels and how many consonants can you subscribe to .

AH OH HMM UHM HUM ...these turn out to be one of the most important sounds in every language ..

when you get out of the motherly comfort zone of those UHM AH HUMs who embrace you safely

the outer , the other world starts where we are building borders .

THAT and TAT , THE truth , that . The Father world .

From there , all the rest of the world rebuilds its order in you and vice versa.

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi xbusymom if you look in Mr Credos fabulous book
"Indaba my Children"
Examples as redrawn by me and shown in my PA reply posting here:

Not sure how to link direct to my reply but it's the 4th down on page one ;)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79307-Bill-Ryan-s-2010-interview-with-Credo-Mutwa-about-Michael-Tellinger

Direct link to post.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79307-Bill-Ryan-s-2010-interview-with-Credo-Mutwa-about-Michael-Tellinger&p=926571&viewfull=1#post926571

[A Voice from the Mountains]

There is a hypothetical language "Proto Indo European", the mother tongue of that large family of languages from Sanskrit to English, including Slavic, Romantic, Germanic and many other language families, but not including Chinese, Arabic, Indonesian and many other major languages.

I would second this as a good place to start.

The origins of the Indo-European languages are still lost to time. They all descended from a mother tongue but no one is sure what it was.


Now -- to link it to the other language families!

The Greeks supposedly used an alphabet based on Phoenician, and Phoenician is a Semitic language, very closely related to Hebrew, Aramaic, etc. However, this connection (in my opinion) may indicate more about the common origins of language in this entire region than to simply say that the Greeks borrowed the Phoenician alphabet.

Check out the language of the Caucasus mountains, I think this is Armenian today. It looks very strange, and is apparently a language which has changed relatively little since very ancient times.


If you can connect the Indo-European languages that spread from Europe to India, with the Semitic languages, then you've made a leap towards linking them culturally with the Far East, I think. These cultures are a lot more foreign to me but I do know that there are some commonalities if you go way back in history. Sumeria and China both used symbol languages, lunar calendars, etc.


Also I'm researching the Etruscan alphabet, as well as what Alan Wilson has written about, an ancient Welsh language called Coelbren which is apparently related to both Etruscan and ancient Egyptian, strangely enough.


Really, this thread could be a good place to start accumulating resources and trying to sort through them. I've never had any formal education in linguistics but it's something I like to read about, particularly when it comes to tracing historical movements of people by following the histories of linguistic families.

[xbusymom]

yes, that is a great start... keep the info coming:
... running on the premise that the english language was a deliberate cryptogram for other intentions-
I started collecting the latin and greek-hebrew dictionarys for translating medical conditions and legal terms into (truth-awareness) puzzles for my videogame-
and I also often wondered if the Indian tribes were speaking a dialect that was close to a 'source language'- (*ya know - they all sound the same LOL)

[Violet]

There is a hypothetical language "Proto Indo European", the mother tongue of that large family of languages from Sanskrit to English, including Slavic, Romantic, Germanic and many other language families, but not including Chinese, Arabic, Indonesian and many other major languages.

I would second this as a good place to start.

The origins of the Indo-European languages are still lost to time. They all descended from a mother tongue but no one is sure what it was.


Now -- to link it to the other language families!

The Greeks supposedly used an alphabet based on Phoenician, and Phoenician is a Semitic language, very closely related to Hebrew, Aramaic, etc. However, this connection (in my opinion) may indicate more about the common origins of language in this entire region than to simply say that the Greeks borrowed the Phoenician alphabet.

Check out the language of the Caucasus mountains, I think this is Armenian today. It looks very strange, and is apparently a language which has changed relatively little since very ancient times.


If you can connect the Indo-European languages that spread from Europe to India, with the Semitic languages, then you've made a leap towards linking them culturally with the Far East, I think. These cultures are a lot more foreign to me but I do know that there are some commonalities if you go way back in history. Sumeria and China both used symbol languages, lunar calendars, etc.


Also I'm researching the Etruscan alphabet, as well as what Alan Wilson has written about, an ancient Welsh language called Coelbren which is apparently related to both Etruscan and ancient Egyptian, strangely enough.


Really, this thread could be a good place to start accumulating resources and trying to sort through them. I've never had any formal education in linguistics but it's something I like to read about, particularly when it comes to tracing historical movements of people by following the histories of linguistic families.

The links are there, but it's impossible to learn all languages. If all the people connect, then words can be linked and retraced to their sources (watch out for linguistic influences due to colonisation or other historical events). Here are some interesting examples:

- star = sitar (Hindustani)/ star (English)/ ster (Dutch)
- me/you = main/tu (Hindustani) vs. moi/toi (French)
- easy = asaan (Hindustani)/ easy (Engl.)
- to grab = pakarna (Hindustani)/ pakken (Dutch)

- shop = dukaan (Hindustani), probably Arabic influence: dukaan exists as shop in Arabic too
- alcoholic beverage = sharaab (Hindustani), likewise.

And so on.

[Deega]

I just viewed the video done with Credo and Bill Ryan, and David Icke.
In the video Credo mentioned that there was an 'original language' from which all other languages of the world were branched off from.

I would like to find out if there is a translation dictionary for that original language, or at least find out if there is a good source language to work from.

I am working on creating an educational (truth-telling) video game that would include source-language translations for fun puzzles.

Hi Xbusymom, I have read Anton Parks Work, after studying (with the help of linguistic Authors) for years the Sumerians, Akkadian Clay Tablets, he came up with a unique way to decipher very ancient texts.

Anton Parks is French, in the link below, here's an overview translation of his first book.

http://bibliotecapleyades.lege.net/sumer_anunnaki/secretdarkstars/Secret1.htm#Language%20Studies

The best to you!

[A Voice from the Mountains]

The links are there, but it's impossible to learn all languages. If all the people connect, then words can be linked and retraced to their sources (watch out for linguistic influences due to colonisation or other historical events).

Right, which is why studying the history associated with these languages is equally important. For me I don't have to know the languages very well myself necessarily. There is lots of linguistic literature pointing out odd connections, for example people making connections between Hebrew and Finnish, or between the ancient language of the Welsh and the Egyptians. I can study these discussions between linguists and then also look at what we know of history itself to see if there might be any basis for these connections, and in a lot of cases there really are.

For example, let's look at Sanskrit and ancient India. There are lots of theories on why it appears to relate to modern European languages, but nothing really feels completely satisfactory.

In the 1700's it was first realized that Sanskrit was an Indo-European language, connected to European languages at some point very distant in the past, so that the language was actually closer to the original language than modern European languages. This caused a lot of new thought in Europe, and unfortunately inspired the Nazis, since it became a widespread theory (and logically so) that a common culture had apparently settled both ancient India and ancient Europe. From my readings, the Nazis were probably right about this, and it fits logically into a bigger picture of mass-migrations of people out of Turkey and from near the Caucasus at that time (not only Aryans but also the Celts, Trojans and other Indo-European tribes). However, after WW2 all this was labeled as Nazi racism (even though the original research came before the Nazis) and was academically done away with.

See this article for more on that: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rajiv-malhotra/how-europeans-misappropri_b_837376.html

From history books I've read, the "Aryans" were very possibly Hittites (another civilization only discovered relatively recently, and named after what the Bible called them -- they were military allies with the Jews against the Canaanite tribes of giants) on a mass migration out of their destroyed homeland in and around Turkey, and maybe the Caucasus Mountains regions, from where comes the term "Caucasian," because ancient tribes of white people were thought to have originated there.

After the Hittite civilization mysteriously ceased to exist (apparently at least their capital city was totally massacred and no one is even sure by whom) is exactly the time when migrations of Indo-Europeans started going across Asia Minor into the Mediterranean, and through a more northernly route the Celts starts coming into Europe, at least according to the conventional story of migrating Indo-European peoples. So from this it would appear that the Aryans, Celts, and Indo-Europeans of the Mediterranean migrated out of a destroyed Hittite civilization.

Whether the Celtic languages are really Indo-European was also debated for some time. However they are pretty well established as Indo-European languages now, but it seems like whatever parent language they evolved from may have also been the parent language of the ancient Etruscans and/or Romans. The Etruscans lived in the same area of Europe as the oldest known Celtic language: Lepontic (http://www.ancient-celts.com/LanguagesLepontic.html) -- discovered just north of Milan in Italy and using letters that look very Etruscan, and employing a grammar of noun declensions that reminds one of Latin. This could suggest an older civilization inhabiting central Europe that was one step closer to the original Indo-European mother tongue. This is another connection that is little-studied, apparently ignored, and that no one is taught about.

This whole period in history, which could potentially show us exactly how all the Indo-European languages are related, is so shrouded in "mystery" despite some pretty obvious patterns, it makes me wonder if this is not all being covered up on purpose, just to keep humanity from finding out too much about their "real" ancient history.


I wish someone who is more informed on Far East languages and cultures could start digging into similar areas, because while I can handle a little bit of Indo-European linguistic history, the languages of eastern Asia (ancient Chinese, Tibetan, etc.) are totally alien to me, though I would be surprised if they are not at least distantly related to some Middle Eastern languages such as Sumerian.

[avid]

What a brilliant summary, Agape.

The 'personal' and the 'outer' sounds... vowels and consonants. What we, as mammals, do.

Add in tonal/emotional considerations ( i.e. listen to your cat or dog or your baby vocalizing) and you have pretty much the entire spectrum of human/mammalian language.


It's sort of simple ...starts with ma ma ma ma ma ... ;)

6 vowels and how many consonants can you subscribe to .

AH OH HMM UHM HUM ...these turn out to be one of the most important sounds in every language ..

when you get out of the motherly comfort zone of those UHM AH HUMs who embrace you safely

the outer , the other world starts where we are building borders .

THAT and TAT , THE truth , that . The Father world .

From there , all the rest of the world rebuilds its order in you and vice versa.

I speak to cats! They really do understand the basic vowels and rhythms of speech with connotations of repetition WITH THEIR CARERS. They understand basic language. I can also understand their 'small-talk' likewise, various pitches of 'speech' infer various needs. One can confer with another species if one has enough 'empathetic' contact. It's very satisfying. I've also done this with sheep, hens and cattle. Please don't ask me to purvey or construe any of your own pets' 'language', as I've just been brought up within this sphere for so many years. One develops a discourse and trust within their own 'contact world'. There may be some common denominators in contact sounds, so please try to include 'outsiders' if possible.
No 'luck' involved - just lots of perception during contacts. :hug:

[Michel Leclerc]

Indo-European languages (Italic, Celtic, Germanic, Slavonic, Baltic, Albanian, Greek, Armenian, Iranian and (North-)Indian languages) derive from a common ancestor or a group of closely related ancestor dialects spoken by people who used to inhabit the coasts of the "first" Black Sea (its surface one third of the present Black Sea’s surface). Their civilisation was practically wiped out as a result of the breaking of the Dardanelles by an earthquake: the Mediterranean abruptly poured its higher sea level into the Black Sea (which was a lake) and raised its level by approximately 70 meters in less than two weeks. This happened at 5510 before the Christian era. The Indo-European cities vanished under the tsunami and the various remnants of the population left the area in successive waves. The Indo-European peoples gradually conquered entire Europe and most of the Near and Middle East. At around 3500 BCE their shoving around the more Southern Semitic peoples (see below) led to a migration of Semites to Mesopotamia where they intermingled with the Sumerians. Meanwhile the Iranian-Indian group of Indo-Europeans had gone around Mesopotamia to settle on the Iranian plateau and in India.

Before that, at around 10000 BCE, the Indo-Europeans had themselves been part of a larger group (or macrofamily) called the Nostratic group, consisting of the Indo-Europeans, the Uralic group (consisting of Finnish, Lappish and Hungarian), the Kartvelian group with just one extant language (Georgian), the large Altaic group (with all Turkic languages, as well as Mongolian, Korean and Japanese) and the equally large Semito-Hamitic aka Afro-Asiatic group (comprising the Semitic subfamily with Arabic, Hebrew, Aramean, Babylonian, Assyrian and Ethiopian, as well as the Hamitic subfamily with ancient Egyptian and Berber). This group broke apart at the end of the Ice Age resulting in a massive increase if the water volume in the Mediterranean. The Charles Hapgood maps of the Mediterranean with hundreds of islands more and a much more sizable Malta for instance, shows a sea that was a lot more amenable to navigation. The Northern border of the Mediterranean will have been inhabited by these civilisations as well as fertile North Africa that has now turned into the Sahara. It is not sure however who lived where. It is logical to suppose that the Hamites lived in North Africa (as their historical descendants, the Berbers and the (Old) Egyptians, still do) but the other families belonging to Nostratic may have lived anywhere.

The relatively short time-scale of the melting of the ice sheets above Northern Europe will have been a catastrophy at least one magnitude bigger than the breaking of the Dardanelles (see above) so it is not illogical to think that the dispersal of the populations would have spanned distances even greater than the post-Black Sea dispersal, which it does (compare the East-West distance Tokyo-Dublin to the distance Calcutta-Dublin).

While the Uralic group may have settled more or less where they live now (Central Europe to North Eurasia) it was broken up by the Indo-Europeans moving West after the Black Sea catastrophy later, isolating Hungarian from Finnish and Lappish.

Is there a horizon beyond the Nostratic, you may ask. There is, although the reconstruction of an earlier group is a lot more difficult than the quite probable reconstruction of the Nostratic group.

As an example, there is the so-called Dené-Caucasian superfamily, which consists of (be up for a few surprises!): the Na-dene languages of North America of which Navajo is the most famous, the Sino-Tibetan languages with Chinese, Tibetan and Burmese, the North Caucasian languages and their outlier "cousin of Western Europe" Basque!

This superfamily clearly shows that a natural phenomenon, the flooding of the Bering Sea land bridge, isolated the Na-dene languages from their closest relatives, the proto-Chinese, which flooding may more or less have coincided by the proto-Japanese and proto-Koreans entering the vacuum as a wedge, themselves heading the waves created by the Mediterranean catastrophy. At the other end of the chain, the Northern Caucasian languages got probably isolated from the Chinese by the later waves of Eastward migrations of, maybe, the more western proto-Turkic peoples. The flooding of present France by the meltwater from the ice sheets will have brought about the isolation of the North Caucasians from their relatives the Basques, both of them fleeing to the mountains, whereas the plains were occupied by the migrating "Nostraticians".

The solution of the new questions rising from the new answers are now produced with increasing speed by the synergy of progress in disciplines as diverse as: DNA analysis of present-day populations and bodily remains establishing filiations; blood-type cartography; archeology; statistical analysis of language vocabularies leading to historical dating of language dispersal (so-called glottochronology).

The preservation of rare languages is obviously of very high value for a refined and exhaustive description of "what really happend at the destruction of the Tower of Babel" – which scientific breakthrough no longer seems to be an unattainable goal.

[Hervé]

xbusymom, have a try at venturing into this book: The Secret Science Behind Miracles, by Max Freedom Long, [1948]

... you might find something of interest :)

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Thanks for the info M. Leclerc, I'm going to be looking into more of what you have posted. :)

I've come across the subject of the ancient Black Sea flooding before, and there is even scientific evidence of when this happened, in the form of fresh water versus saltwater molluscs there. The molluscs were fresh water until the point at which the Mediterranean broke in, at which point they were replaced by saltwater molluscs. Since this is in the general area of where the Indo-Europeans are believed to have originated from anyway then the idea that they were occupying the low lands here and were flooded out makes a lot of sense.


Here's a few books I'm working on getting my hands on, one by one...

The Armenian Origin of the Etruscans (http://www.amazon.com/Armenian-Origin-Etruscans-Robert-Ellis/dp/1141058790)
La langue étrusque dialecte de l'ancien égyptien (http://www.amazon.com/langue-%C3%A9trusque-dialecte-lancien-%C3%A9gyptien/dp/B0040ZOJ9O)
LES PROTO-IONIENS: Histoire d'un peuple oublié (http://books.google.com/books?id=X9Ch9D2RrswC)
Through Basque to Minoan: Transliterations and Translations of the Minoan Tablets (http://www.amazon.com/Through-Basque-Minoan-Transliterations-Translations/dp/B00JE4WZOW)


I already have lots of free ebooks about interesting linguistic connections and/or their historical implications, and I may post the titles of those later and if anyone is interested I'll send you copies of them.