Is the ego blocking spiritual transmission?

[Skyhaven]

I have been thinking about the validity of channeling messages, which led me to this question.

Isn't channeling just a technique that gets the ego out of the way so that we open ourselves to the flow of inspiration by no longer acting on behalf of our ego-identity which is mainly limited to thought patterns that were put in place by cultural conditioning?

Isn't it therefore a technique we shouldn't ignore all together, because the core meaning of it is:

"Being open and therefore accepting of (higher) inspiration"

Aren't we all channeling when we get amazing ideas when our mind (ego) blanks out for a while?

Aren't we throwing out the baby with the bath water if we say the concept of channeling must be avoided because some of the contents of the channeled messages aren't resonating/reflecting your truth?

[Carmody]

Is the ego blocking spiritual transmission?

Think of it as more of a parallel path enabled, by the body's cumulative ability to be the origin point of the formation of thought, but filtered by the autonomous functions that are necessary to have a stable operating system or stable complex function.

Part of Buddhist training, in the long term, is to come to a full understanding of the extent of this autonomous programming underlying mechanism in the use and possession of the avatar, but to then utilize that programmed structure.

To understand that, for example, you are in a car, and then to learn not how to drive it like everyone else may do in their own fashion, but to know the car exists,to be in knowing of the separateness of the car, and all the minute intricacies of it's function and operation and then begin the process of absolute knowing in consciousness of control and use of said vehicle.

The vehicle 'freaks out' when this process attempts to begin, as it's instinctual drives kick in (and it's higher level functions as thought formation as a channel or pathway), and it colors the process and 'mini-me' dramatically, consciously, during said process.


'Channeling' without such an understanding, is indeed a notable form of a fools game, as one is in no way sure or even aware of the source of said channeling, as the occupant of the avatar is not even self aware in the fundamental sense required in order to know what the source point of the so-called data is.

Channeling can be, and mostly is the ignorant speaking to the ignorant in a voice that neither know the origin, design, meaning, or intent of. Basically, it's a major danger zone, IMO and IME, one I studiously avoid.

[Pam]

I have been thinking about the validity of channeling messages, which led me to this question.

Isn't channeling just a technique that gets the ego out of the way so that we open ourselves to the flow of inspiration by no longer talking on behalf of our ego-identity which is mainly limited to thought patterns that were put in place by cultural conditioning?


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Isn't it therefore a technique we shouldn't ignore all together, because the core meaning of it is:

"Being open and therefore accepting of (higher) inspiration"

Aren't we all channeling when we get amazing ideas when our mind (ego) blanks out for a while?

Aren't we throwing out the baby with the bath water if we say the concept of channeling must be avoided because some of the contents of the channeled messages aren't resonating/reflecting your truth?



I really agree with you. I think like everything else on this planet that the tool of channeling is subject to corruption and has been misused at times. I think the proof is in the message. My criteria is simple, if I can benefit from it I will accept it. I am no longer interested in dogma, or rules. I have developed enough inner strength to rely on my intuition for decisions about my life.

[dim]

It's this very fight with "Ego thought patterns and cultural conditioning" which distorts channeled material to trash
that brought you to this wonderful realization Skyhaven
Be very careful about the Ego, it sneaks from the back door every time.

[Wind]

Sometimes channeled material can be filtered through ego, hence the poor quality and that's why there are only a few very good and trustworthy sources in my mind. If I would have to name a few then they would be; The Law of One, Jeshua channelings and Bashar. I hear that The Seth and Course in Miracles material are good too even though I don't have much experience with them.

Then again, there are many kinds of way channeling your spirit to this dimension like playing music or creating art or even dancing. As you said, when you're in the flow mode, you indeed are accessing a higher state of consciousness where your ego fades out in the background. What an amazing state that it is, a state of grace.

[Skyhaven]

Carmody, on a scientific and intellectual level I agree with you, these messages don't come through in a literal sense, like an internet cable would transmit data. So on that level all of it is made up from fantasies.

However when I listen to whatever is out there, I am interested in inspiration, new thought forms, some kind of fire, a spark of light, and on that level I agree with you Peterpam, dogma (and for me that includes intellectual and social dogma) doesn't dismiss the value of the perceived inspiration.

So for me its an exercise in keeping an open/accepting mind so that the perceived inspiration gets a chance to resonate without being blocked by the thought patterns of intellectual or social dogma/conditioning.

Dim, if it lifts the spirit, knowing intellectually it is far from the truth, is it then still trash? On a deeper level I don't think so.

[greybeard]

The ego is a filter mechanism--- The moment information of any kind is received it does an evaluation -- mainly "Does this lead to pain or pleasure?"
It uses past experiences, belief systems concepts to evaluate and then it gives a "version" of what has happened.
All happens in a fraction of a second. You are completely unaware that everything that you see and hear has gone through this process.
It, the ego, separates one from the knowledge of spiritual Truth ie being One with God.
It delights in taking one on a wild goose chase to divert from knowing ultimate Truth.

As far a channelled messages go ---there is no way of knowing what is at the other end of the message.
The lower astral is very clever and can give very convincing messages but does not necessarily have your best interest at heart.
"Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing" is good advice.
I must admit I used to be interested in al the stories, however eventually it dawned on me that the enlightened sages I was drawn to never mentioned anything about ascended masters---their focus was always about getting "me" to focus on finding the Truth within.
There is no need for channelled messages to be taken on board, interesting as they may appear to be, in my opinion they delay the finding of ultimate Truth

C

[ljwheat]

Back engineering the question, if the question is properly presented - - > the answer is held with in the question. Otherwise the question would not be valid.

Ego -- Mind set, learned and energy that’s relied on as your own truth. - - > e quills Repetitive thinking.

Transmission - - movement of energy or transferring intent to manifest said energy into a different out come.

To question, stops EGO in its tracks. Ego is the absence of doubting or looking for anything new or different to ones own learned perfectness.

So Yes Ego is blocking energy form flowing true or false. Energy is neutral, balanced -- with equal positive charge, and negative charges.

So by taking the >“Is” < in your question and moving it between ego < is > blocking you have your answer,, after knowing what ego and transmission mean, are energy ,ego un-moving . . to transmission-- energy in motion.

Everything in this reality, is energy visual sight and thinking are the most manipulated energy’s. >Where attention go’s energy flows.< since we birthed into this controlled energy realm, scrambling that energy keeps the matrix solely in place from a early age in our development. Unscrambling by using questions is a must do, to free one’s self from the repetitive Ego of the Matrix law.

Question even the channeling, as no stone should be left overturned, as energy in a energy realities can, and have been intentionally scrambled to continue the control. Even more so in higher places. To include the cosmic matrix. A bubble in a bubble, a well formed question will pop even the hardest Ego. :crazy:

[dim]

if it lifts the spirit, knowing intellectually it is far from the truth, is it then still trash? On a deeper level I don't think so.

true, isn't trash, it's seeming trash, i thought it was clear
because it's only though this marshland of misleading directives one finds the way out,

It's more than obvious to me now that the 99% of all channeling is a fight between
the best of intentions and the need to put food on the table
- well ok, maybe and a Lamborghini along the way -
and guess who's wining, every time
but i wouldn't reach this obviousness if i hadn't been lost in this pit of snakes myself first
thereby that's the purpose they serve, maturity.

However, everyone has to walk the path for himself to understand
unfortunately we can't learn life from forum posts
we have to eat mud and bruise our knees
i can't even count the times i have resonated deeply in my heart with utter B.S
did they lift my spirit ? they lifted something for sure
cause it always turns out this is what i needed to experience at that point
the utter B.S serve a deep purpose
because Ego projections never work in the end the directives leave you naked in the wind,
and it's in this painful nakedness truth can arise, for the first time.

and there's the rest 1%
which is no different from any other true spiritual teaching
rare to find and comes only when you're ready

good luck

[Skyhaven]

Then again, there are many kinds of way channeling your spirit to this dimension like playing music or creating art or even dancing. As you said, when you're in the flow mode, you indeed are accessing a higher state of consciousness where your ego fades out in the background. What an amazing state that it is, a state of grace.

Absolutely! But I still wonder to what extent the ego structure (all the learned clutter, limiting behavior, norms, pride, identification as a separate being) is blocking grace to come in...

[Flash]

Is the ego blocking spiritual transmission?

Think of it as more of a parallel path enabled, by the body's cumulative ability to be the origin point of the formation of thought, but filtered by the autonomous functions that are necessary to have a stable operating system or stable complex function.

Part of Buddhist training, in the long term, is to come to a full understanding of the extent of this autonomous programming underlying mechanism in the use and possession of the avatar, but to then utilize that programmed structure.

To understand that, for example, you are in a car, and then to learn not how to drive it like everyone else may do in their own fashion, but to know the car exists,to be in knowing of the separateness of the car, and all the minute intricacies of it's function and operation and then begin the process of absolute knowing in consciousness of control and use of said vehicle.

The vehicle 'freaks out' when this process attempts to begin, as it's instinctual drives kick in (and it's higher level functions as thought formation as a channel or pathway), and it colors the process and 'mini-me' dramatically, consciously, during said process.


'Channeling' without such an understanding, is indeed a notable form of a fools game, as one is in no way sure or even aware of the source of said channeling, as the occupant of the avatar is not even self aware in the fundamental sense required in order to know what the source point of the so-called data is.

Channeling can be, and mostly is the ignorant speaking to the ignorant in a voice that neither know the origin, design, meaning, or intent of. Basically, it's a major danger zone, IMO and IME, one I studiously avoid.

IF i could have put a triple or quadruple or more thanks, i would of.

Very well explained and my views as well. I even forbid myself to do any kind of channelling until I get to the point of knowing all the intricacies of driving my avatar. Which may happen in another life, who cares. Better that than false paths.

I would add that when developed spiritually enough, there is no need to channel, because one is in the KNOW. Direct information gathered, not channeled ones. I am still quite far from that reality, but in the meantime, I do undestand the dangers of channelling or listening to channelled messages. To me they are just entertainments.

[joeecho]

Spirit transmission is instantaneous, ego is the illusion that has the blocked or delaying effect on experience of spiritual transmission.