Canada might kick out its banksters

[lucidity]

Hello Siblings,

This is news that has, apparently, been shut out of the Canadian media.
Still Report (courtesy of Bill Still):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Jz0LPQAQY

Keep your eyes on this one.
The consequences of this could be globally beneficial.

be happy

lucidity :-)

[Flash]

Clearly interesting. So our federal bank is own by the people here in Canada, I did not know this and further, they would have been ordered by the court to give money for works of public interest. Interesting

All this while our prime minister is passing a set of new laws giving our CIA unprecedented powers, more and more interesting.

Any other Canadian here on Avalon has heard of this court case???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Jz0LPQAQY

[CurEus]

I can confirm that nothing has been reported here in Canada that i have come across...I can;t even find the decision online.

[Carmody]

If you are a us citizen, share this as well.

This is 'death to the fed', big time.

This is probably the biggest thing to come along about ending the fed that is likely to come along in the next very long time and the best thing to help leverage the end of the fed -- in decades.

Basically put, the citizens of Canada sued the bank of Canada for violating it's charter, which is to issue debt free money. which it stopped issuing in 1974.

They won the case.

The Canadian government appealed the decision.


The Canadian government lost the appeal.

This means the Canadian government is legally on the line to go back to it's original 'bank of Canada Charter'.... of issuing debt free money.

The 'bank of Canada' is OWNED by the public and handled for them, by the government.

In nearly 10,000 posts, I've never said, 'go viral'.

This one needs to go viral.

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One thing, though, Harper needs a boot up his ass to get him out of the offices of the Prime Minister.

The last thing Canada and the world need is this bozo with an open functional credit card.

[Carmody]

I figured that I had to look around and see what is going on.


A potential answer:


The set-up, a while back, was the NAU, the North American Union, with TORONTO as the North American capital.

If Canada prints it's own currency again, that is the perfect set-up.

After Crying “Conspiracy Theory,” CNN Touts North American Union (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/north-america/item/20009-after-crying-conspiracy-theory-cnn-touts-north-american-union)

[CurEus]

I found COMER.COMMITTEE FOR MONETARY AND ECONOMIC REFORM http://www.comer.org/

The Lawyer who argued this case Rocco Gilati is the same lawyer who blocked Harper's unlawful appointment of a Supreme Court Judge last year. The decision is not released as yet on this case but the past decisions are available from the Federal Courts website. Look Under decisions and enter COMER or follow this link. I will continue to look for the decision this week and post it as soon as I get it. This is very big news!

http://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/fc-cf/en/d/s/index.do?cont=COMER&col=54

[CurEus]

Toronto doesn't want to be the capital of the NAU. We're hated enough as it is! Although I do wonder what they are planning for the Downsview airport lands...I thought the UN was supposed to move to Montreal ...

[Carmody]

Well, you see..... the whole thing about debt free money, is that is exactly what brought Germany on-line.

Harper is not quite a Bismark-cum-Hindenburg, and I keep looking around for the Lil'Hitler cut-out, but I'm not sure who he's supposed to be.

[CurEus]

I think he has the same boss as our other Prime Ministers...I'd like Paul Hellyer to weigh in on this. I do not agree with his position on everything but he was right on point with Bank of Canada issues. I cannot fathom how Gilati will proceed with this. It will like go to The SCoC. Maybe he'll let me clerk for him! :)

[applepie]

Thank you so much for posting this.

Yes, I had read about this upcoming case years ago in a newsletter from the Canadian Action party and also in the online newspaper The Canadian and then forgotten about it. This is an important judgement. It is going to be interesting to see what the consequences will be.

What is important to recognize here is that the Canadian Action party was founded by Paul Hellyer who was at one time Canada's defence minister and deputy prime minister. One of the platforms of the Canadian Action party was that the Canadian Government should again issue its own bonds without interest. As was to be expected the Canadian Action party never got off the ground. It was infiltrated and destroyed from within.

The lawyer arguing this case is Rocco Giraldi? Not sure of his last name. He is dynamite and no doubt we will hear lots more of him. He is a very bright light in this hour of darkness.

Paul Hellyer was in Ottawa last year talking about his last book the Money Mafia. The press, all members of parliament and other important Ottawa figures were invited in writing but none came. Sound familiar? Only one person representing the Ottawa University students union came. The rest attending were ordinary people. Anyway, at this meeting Paul Hellyer asked the audience whether anyone had heard of Rocco Giraldi? None of them had. Paul Hellyer said that we will hear lots more of him, particularly if the Trans Canada Partnership Agreement ever becomes law in Canada. If this Agreement becomes law in Canada, the new law will supersede all Canadian laws that are contradictory to the new law. This effectively means that the New World Order has taken over Canada without a single shot being fired!!! That is why you don't read anything about the Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement in the press.

The lawyer arguing this case is Rocco Giraldi? Not sure of his last name.

[jerry]

I aint buying it...their more draconian than the US

[Carmody]

Jerry, as for the gun thing and draconian in general:

Canadians have access to assault rifles that the US government has outlawed.

Canada also has a history of knocking down gun registries, and the government actually managed to 'lose' the entire gun registry it had. Guns in Canada are not a testicular fanboy aspect, nor a needed thing for protection from outlier sociopath individuals. They are tools in a tool chest, and gun fanatics are not the norm, they are the outlier.



Canada is 'all north', which means it has real winters where people die of exposure, in parts of the given seasons of the year.

This means that Canada is built on the idea of social co-operation, and does not have a basis in potential or act, for social de-cohesion and social breakdown, as if that were to occur, many many people would die from exposure.

Canada is not more draconian, in that when the social construct created by governments which might be of a zealot/sociopath gain type addition comes along, and that is put into law, the reversal does indeed make it through the courts, and actually take place. Canada is a more polite country as that is what is required for people to be alive.

No backwoods cabins and living in dirty underwear, with no windows. No capacity for idiots on their own to survive, they require social support, or they die. Seriously.

Just like all the northern European countries, like all countries that have strong and potent winters. The disclaimer is that no-one knows what created the wild card of Russia in that scenario -things are slightly different there, it is a genetic aspect of mentallect, seemingly.

Europe, with it's borders and enclaves of countries, is a similar melting pot as is the USA, with similar issues. One could say that the USA was a test run for a Borderless European Union, regarding attempts at social blending that must take place in a borderless world.

*(Note: as we move into integration with alien species, this global cohesion is a fundamental requirement, specifically.... BEFOREHAND... not after introduction of such aspects)*

In the USA, as we cascade down into the lower states, idiots can survive on their own with no social structure.

No social structure and that leads to short lifespans and lower intelligence, as a purely environmentally driven origin, in capacity and potential realities.

Basically put, the most intelligent and long lived people almost always arise from a system of stable and cohesive social structure, places where co-dependence is required (in order to be alive) and is not optional. This is not a perfect point but it is more than just a general direction with a few outliers, it is a common reality in actual numbers. Wherever you find stable social cohesion, this is the reality that develops.

When that happens, no-one needs guns, as people are naturally more socially responsible in the myriad ways possible and have less tolerance for psychotics and sociopaths, as the functionality of the system will utterly break in the presence and act of such people. The social system breaks down enough that people begin to die at the onset of seasons, which is fairly quick, so the human response to sociopaths is fairly quick and most importantly, cohesive and co-joined, as it actually has to be, in order for the group to survive.

The environment literally dictates the requirement of a self repairing system of life and governance. But, recall, that the social cohesion requires respect and politeness. So tolerance of others is in place as a societal norm, but it only lasts for so long. Until the group is threatened, and this threat is recognized by the individuals, en-mass. Then they begin the push, to move the intrusion out.

This is why sociopaths like Harper and his crew SEEM to gain ground in northern climes, but indeed are pushed out, in time, with all the force that the entire population can muster, when the public recognize the threat to the collective and the individual.

Influxes of immigrants does indeed change that scenario, which is a part of the problem that has arisen for Canada lately .....as the innate knowing of the general population is partially canceled via this group's intermixing.

Ie, in potential for functional actual Democratic countries with upward trends in general and specific intelligence, northern climes with seasonal weather patterns that are threatening to the individual and whole, are most effective in the creation and maintenance of that kind of social system.

If one looks across the globe, this is pretty well exactly what one sees.

The USA is an exception, in uniqueness.... as this seasonal reality is in evidence across the entire US 48. It runs the gamut from the social cohesion.... to the social de-cohesion, as one goes from the north of the country to the deepest south. This is a major part of the origins of the mentallect of the different groups. The core of why there was a north south war, that was born, in notable part, from the developed components of the origins of mindset and thus social/cultural structure.

In effect and as a final point, Canada is not more draconian, that is a very simple view which has little traction among the more observant.

[Carmody]

Where I'm at, the weather is so severe, that general flights of a nominal, ie single engine craft, are bound to be cancelled and disallowed, in the extreme. Visibility is varied, but sometimes as low as 20 ft/8M.

I just had a low level single engine craft flyover.... in a zero visibility high wind situation.


If you look at my above post, and look deep enough, you will see the fundamentals of the global situation, stressing, and direction -peeking out at you... which is probably the why of the flyover. No idea who or what it was, essentially, but... there it is.

Again, I've no disagreement with a global government and single globe of human affairs..as it is fundamentally required if humanity is to not be consumed by alien or off world differentials from multiple directions simultaneously..... but I'm deeply concerned of what and who may be in charge of such a thing.

Time, one could say, is running short, and the pressure is on. Decisions and acts are seemingly coming hard and wild, in some ways.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Interesting ideas Carmody. And if the op will forgive, I would expand a bit more.

In Canada, the changing demographic is creating a very new dynamic in our country. I think the ptb thought such a melting pot of cultures would cause a further erosion of our civil rights by making organized movements more difficult to arrange among the different cultures. But they did not count on the Sri Lankans, especially, who mostly spurn government mandates and do things their own way. Although this has had downward pressure on wages in general it has produced growing business concerns despite government restrictions and red tape on start-ups (80% of which fail in the first three years because of our convoluted tax laws). Although the Asian influence has dampened the actual effect these radical cultures have had on the national scale in local regions like Calgary and Toronto, the economies have been positively affected.

The underground economy in these two cities is a growing concern for the government - has been for at least three decades, probably much more.

So keep sending us your disaffected nationals, we'll take them. Together we will silently rework the system without once negotiating with any level of government. We'll do it in secret, amongst ourselves!

[lucidity]

Hello Siblings,

Thinking more on this .... rather than adopting a 'wait-and-see' stance
we should adopt a more active role. Many want to see an end to this
global debt-money scam. So, we shouldn't idly stand by and allow
news of this to be buried under media silence. We should tell others.
We should post this news on other websites.
Canadians might want to write to their elected official.
Perhaps there's a campaign group behind this, if so, they should
receive messages of support and perhaps donations.

But please... tell others. Post this to other forums.
Email links to this issue to your friends and acquaintances.

be happy

lucidity :-)

[Carmody]

It is most important to bring this appeal by the Canadian government to light, as it were..... BEFORE any next level appeal can appear before the Final Supreme court of Canada, as a striking down might actually occur ------and then we'd be back to square one.

ie, the ignorant dying their ignorant little deaths.

The most difficult part, of all, about this entire thing..is that Canadians and the world in general is not even remotely aware that in the realm of finances,and thus the flow and control of their lives... that..they are bent over a barrel..and are literally taking it in the ass, in a forced dry situation, right now.

That their understanding, in dominoes falling, would finally come around to things like:

--My mother died because...
--My son has no education because....
--we went to war and my cousin died because..
--2 million people starved to death in Ethiopia because....
--My niece/nephew is a mentally damaged invalid because....
--I'm unemployed because....
--I can't pay my heat bill because...
--my Brother is an alcoholic because....
--All of us have had no future, our lives have been twisted and torn, shorn into darkness and downturn, our futures stolen.... because....

The explosion of anger, of ultimate revulsion.... would be extreme and all encompassing.

Both a problem, and the solution.

[Flash]

I have been trying to explain time and again the necessary cohesiveness of people in harsh climate to new arrivals or outsiders. The explanations here are very clear and true

Thanks to my Canadian fellows. This morning my thighs were pinching and hurting for a 15 minutes walk in the cold and with warm pants on. Maximum 2 hours immobile and death is certain. In more difficult weathers, it is ten minutes before being found dead frozen standing leaning against a tree. I taught my dayghter at 3 years old to always move in the cold and how to dig under the snow to find cover igloo style.

New immigrants do not usually understand this. Many cultures from warmer climates will be suspicious of each other, something the real dufficult climate people cant afford ( coukd be Tibet or Canada )

Plus, the necessary being supplied in cities making collaboration less essential

Therefore Harper being reelected and surveys showing a majority agreement on his stribgent laws from the population

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

last night in one of our games, a panicked canadian kid logged in and asked for advice on a developing political situation up there.

long story short, landowners in canada don't really care so much about the dollar crashing due to oil. oil developments reduce the value of their land due to pollution.

harper wants full speed ahead for oil now that the eu/uk relations with russia are publicly bad. so the kid in the game, he says, harper was pushing legislation yesterday that would make ILLEGAL any dissent regarding the oil pipelines.

the kid said, based on what he heard, harper's admin will be throwing folks in jail under some terrorism clause for not wanting oil to ruin canada in the long term.




the sad truth for investors is, oil always lied, it was a short term stepping stone to a better energy source, and it's becoming worthless faster than gov'ts can react to that.



so now what. @@

[jerry]

last night in one of our games, a panicked canadian kid logged in and asked for advice on a developing political situation up there.

long story short, landowners in canada don't really care so much about the dollar crashing due to oil. oil developments reduce the value of their land due to pollution.

harper wants full speed ahead for oil now that the eu/uk relations with russia are publicly bad. so the kid in the game, he says, harper was pushing legislation yesterday that would make ILLEGAL any dissent regarding the oil pipelines.

the kid said, based on what he heard, harper's admin will be throwing folks in jail under some terrorism clause for not wanting oil to ruin canada in the long term.




the sad truth for investors is, oil always lied, it was a short term stepping stone to a better energy source, and it's becoming worthless faster than gov'ts can react to that.



so now what. @@

about the draconian aspect, this is it.

[Carmody]

you might notice, Jerry, that you are getting zero thanks for your posts. That finger pointing is not doing you any good. As if the US system, right now... is a paragon of clarity and democracy.

so, to respond in kind: Instead of attempting to jail them in the US, they just outright shoot them, and cover it up.

Easy with the 'pot-kettle-black' divisional stuff, it might make people think that you are here to divide them, or that you can't see things as clearly as you might. That you believe that you have to paint others in bad light, as you can't see your own situation, but can pick on that of others. And so on. None of these suppositions may be true, but your words are leaving others to feel that they just might be closing in on the mark..

All that be as it may, it is quite clear to me, that Harper's play in this, is apparently as a neo-fascist front for a deeper planted agenda.

It does not matter what 'party' or thought process that one supports or dislikes, in the US, Canada, Mexico, or Europe ---we are dealing with fascists.

[applepie]

Tomorrow, Al Korelin of Korelin Economics Report will have an editorial on this court decision.
http://www.kereport.com/full-archive/

[lilac]

http://westcoastnativenews.com/the-canadian-court-case-mainstream-media-will-not-cover/#comments

[jerry]

you might notice, Jerry, that you are getting zero thanks for your posts. That finger pointing is not doing you any good. As if the US system, right now... is a paragon of clarity and democracy.

so, to respond in kind: Instead of attempting to jail them in the US, they just outright shoot them, and cover it up.

Easy with the 'pot-kettle-black' divisional stuff, it might make people think that you are here to divide them, or that you can't see things as clearly as you might. That you believe that you have to paint others in bad light, as you can't see your own situation, but can pick on that of others. And so on. None of these suppositions may be true, but your words are leaving others to feel that they just might be closing in on the mark..

All that be as it may, it is quite clear to me, that Harper's play in this, is apparently as a neo-fascist front for a deeper planted agenda.

It does not matter what 'party' or thought process that one supports or dislikes, in the US, Canada, Mexico, or Europe ---we are dealing with fascists.

im not on here posting for thanks thank you, not on any ones side JMHO through the indoctrination I've been given

[Theodora]

http://westcoastnativenews.com/the-canadian-court-case-mainstream-media-will-not-cover/#comments

That is a good link lilac, It contains the movie I was thinking about as soon as I read the initial post in this thread. "Oh Canada"-talks about the plan to take back our national bank. A great little film.

[Theodora]

I figured that I had to look around and see what is going on.


A potential answer:


The set-up, a while back, was the NAU, the North American Union, with TORONTO as the North American capital.

If Canada prints it's own currency again, that is the perfect set-up.

After Crying “Conspiracy Theory,” CNN Touts North American Union (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/north-america/item/20009-after-crying-conspiracy-theory-cnn-touts-north-american-union)

I don't see this happening in NA soon. Currently the enmass immigration accross europe is creating economic havoc within the EU. However, in BC where I live, they keep telling us there will be "millions more" people living in the lowermainland (greater Vancouver area) in the next generation. There is only 2.6 million in the entire lowermainland including Vancouver and 14 cities and we only have about 4 million in the entire province now. Where and how are these millions coming? Who knows, but there is a big push for major infrastructure changes here right now and the argument is its needed for "the millions more" to move here. http://www.rebgv.org/moving-future-lower-mainland-transportation-builds-economy

[Flash]

Interesting Theodora: tells a bit about the global planning. I Wonder what would happen then to the East cost or eastern part of the country. Is this influx from down South, or influx from the East?

[Theodora]

Interesting Theodora: tells a bit about the global planning. I Wonder what would happen then to the East cost or eastern part of the country. Is this influx from down South, or influx from the East?

Hi Flash, Its hard to say isn't it? Canada is the second largest geographical country in the world with only 36 million people. We take in about 800,000 new immigrants annually. There is a push to get rid of the foreign workers program and allow anyone who comes to Canada for a job the path to citizenship right away instead of a Visa. That could be the creation of a borderless NA union with very tight borders but anyone could move anywhere providing you bought property or have a job in a country. This "global immigration plan" is always about money and economics-its about getting countrol of resources and bypassing soverign nations for the purposes of taking the riches and having the poorest people doing the work. Beware of anyone who believes the path to wealth is cutting governments (the democratic people's voice) role in funding education, health and social programs-they do this to keep you down and poor. Canada is an example to be watched in this regard as is comparing the USA of the 50's and 60's to the USA of today.

[cursichella1]

http://westcoastnativenews.com/the-canadian-court-case-mainstream-media-will-not-cover/#comments

Interesting, I'm unable to access your link. Other links are working ok...I guess the PTWTB caught on to the West Coast Native News, too. :(

[Flash]

bump pedidou

[Snowflower]

About millions of people adding to Canada's population. Clif High and the Webbot have been forecasting (since the early 2000's) a diaspora of Americans becoming refugees and fleeing "north." Millions of Americans. He didn't have a reason why, but over time finally started getting "something nuclear" as cause. Just this winter, he is finally getting this forecast in immediacy data instead of long term data, which means it might be imminent.

Something else that is currently happening is an "unknown cause" disaster in the making at Boone Dam in Tennessee which just happens to be upstream from SEVEN nuclear power plants. The dam is leaking from underneath. It started soon after there was a sinkhole under the dam. So much for not knowing the cause. They are monitoring it, not knowing what to do about it, drawing down the water, pretending it isn't as bad as it is.

Here is a link to a story about it - which is not, of course, making the grade to national news:

http://enenews.com/discolored-water-coming-downstream-dam-bank-river-course-shouldnt-be-happening

[Snowflower]

Carmody, I really like your posts about cooperation rather than competition in a successful society, and relating that to Canada's weather conditions that help create a cooperative mindset. I believe one of the brainwashing tools of the reptilian overlords is to convince humans that we are naturally competitive and cutthroat rather than naturally cooperative. It is the psychopathic brain that doesn't cooperate, not the human brain. I suspect our 5% of the population that is psychopathic comes from mixing DNA from reptilians with humans. It also becomes clear that the Banksters and corporate CEO's are overwhelmingly psychopathic, which is why we're dealing with an interest-bearing, debt-based money system. Considering that 95% of us are not psychopathic, it is well past time to take back the system. I agree that if this court case makes it to the Supreme Court, it will be slaughtered, since it's quite likely to be a majority psychopathic court.

[Carmody]

There was a short documentary series on development of the human animal (about 4 hours), from ancient origins to the present time.

The indication, and conclusion of the entire documentary, about the success of the human animal, was that it appeared, in the oldest historical record and the analysis of the human animal and the analysis of our relatives..that..the humans TOLERATE the psychopaths.

But only for so long.

When they push their luck too far, they are ended, by the tolerant.

En-mass, and all at once.

Not rebellion, which is the exact opposite of the truth, the falsity that the psychopath and the sociopath want you to believe.... but a laxative/reflexive act of overall society... where it clears out the psychopaths and the sociopaths.

[Flash]

The laxative seems to be overdue this time around.

[GlassSteagallfan]

Video related to the original post


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XzTSHlVfyU


Keeping this story prominent, since the government of Canada is trying to block Canadians from seeing it!

[lilac]

Cursichella1, I see what you mean.:suspicious:

Here is the body of the article:

The Canadian court case the mainstream media will not cover
derrick on January 28th, 2015 12:03 am - 6 Comments

The Bank of Canada, unlike the Federal Reserve in the U.S., is wholly owned by the people of Canada. It was nationalized in 1938 and was used very successfully to fund infrastructure, social programs, education, etc, for the benefit of all Canadians. It was used to bring us out of the depression, funded WWII, to build highways such as the McDonald-Cartier freeway, public transportation systems, subway lines, airports, the St. Lawrence Seaway, our universal healthcare system and our Canada Pension Plan.
Unfortunately, since Canada adopted economist Milton Friedman’s theory of monetarism in 1974 this has not been the case and one can track the progression of the dismantling of Canada since then.
By 1974, Canada’s accumulated federal debt since confederation was 18 billion. By 1977, after the government reduced its use of the Bank of Canada to carry public debt, it had risen 3000% to 588 billion. Today the debt is 500 billion, 95% which is compound interest owed to private banks and investors. Currently Canadian pay 37 billion approximately per year in debt servicing.
Canada Debt Free.. is it possible?
Did you know that the Bank of Canada used to make interest free loans to municipal/provincial/federal governments before 1974 ,when the total national debt was only 18 billion dollars and you could still buy a good house for under 20 thousand, inflation was just a word. Then it seems our officials decided to stop using the Bank of Canada’s ability to print interest free money and to borrow money from private foreign banks, that love compound interest .
Does that explain our ballooning NATIONAL DEBT problem? As well as the never ending call from all governments for more and more of our hard earned money. So what can we do about it? Well a few Canadians have filed an action in Federal Court to restore the use of the Bank of Canada. The crime of this story is that none of the mainstream media has covered it.
Restore the Bank of Canada – COMER VS BOC
1) Canadian constitutional lawyer, Rocco Galati , on behalf of Canadians William Krehm ,and Ann Emmett ,and COMER (Committee for Monetary and Economic Reform) on December 12th, 20011 filed an action in Federal Court, to restore the use of the Bank of Canada to its original purpose , by exercising its public statutory duty and responsibility. That purpose includes making interest free loans to the municipal/provincial/federal governments for “human capital� expenditures (education health, other social services) and / or infrastructure expenditures .
2) The Plaintiffs state that since 1974 there has been a gradual but sure slide into the reality that the Bank of Canada and Canada’s monetary and financial policy are dictated by private foreign banks and financial interests contrary to the Bank of Canada Act.
3) The plaintiffs state that the defendants (officials) are unwittingly and/ or wittingly , in varying degrees, knowledge and intent engaged in a conspiracy, along with the Bank of International Settlements(BIS),Financial Stability Forum (FSF), International Monetary Fund (IMF) to render impotent the Bank of Canada Act as well as Canadian sovereignty over financial , monetary , and socio-economic policy, and bypass the sovereign rule of Canada through its parliament by means of the banking and financial systems. http://www.pacificfreepress.com/news/1/10573-confronting-global-finance-in-canadas-courts.html
Due to the fact that main stream media has not picked up this story, it will all sound foreign to you, If you would like to learn more on the Bank of Canada , I recommend that you take the time to watch, what I consider to be the best documentaries on the subject, Oh Canada Movie Our bought and sold out land .
* Here are three quotes from the Oh Canada Movie and the times in the movie to view them.
1) At 37min .08 sec into the movie Elizabeth May of the Green Party Leader says,
“The reality is the Bank of Canada has by legislation the ability to make what ever money needed, to loan the money to the government of Canada without interest .�
2) At 37min .50sec into the movie Late Jack Layton, Federal MP Leader of the NDP says “We never should have privatized our debt and turned it over to the private banks . We should have kept it in the hands of the Bank of Canada.�
3) At 42min into the movie, Paul Martin our former Prime Minister is asked if the Prime Minister has the ability to create debt free currency? “Absolutely�, Martin responds then adds,� But you have to ask the Question. Why don’t they?� Martin answers his own question “because its inflationary, it would drive inflation through the roof.�
I hope that last paragraph didn’t confuse you. I can’t believe he said it myself, I had to listen to it again . You see, we had very little inflation prior to 1974 while the Bank of Canada was creating debt free currency Inflation started with the borrowing of fiat fractional reserve money from the private banks . (Fiat money is Currency that a government has declared to be legal tender, despite the fact that it has no intrinsic value)
So if you are tired of paying these never ending taxes I do encourage you to research the above.
Update COMER VS BOC Jan 2015
Jan 26 2015 COMER (Committee on Monetary and Economic Reform EST. 1986) and constitutional lawyer Rocco Galati won yet another round of appeals. Galati the most prominent constitutional lawyer in the country says he does not believe Canada is a democracy any longer.

...It looks like westcoastnativenews.com is down. I will keep trying...


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[Carmody]

Martin saying inflation would skyrocket, comes from one thing.

--Having the Canadian economy surreptitiously attacked by vested interests of the international banking variety (and the owners and hidden hands in such systems), just like they are attacking Russia and Greece right now, all while they pretend innocence, and hide it from the public, and make direct lies to the contrary, all while controlling the media in the vein of such lies and hiding.

--having their servants, their vassals, their hidden dark spies and cohorts--- in the Canadian government and financial systems -- aid and abet that attack.

No other reasons.

[lucidity]

bump bump :-)

[Carmody]

An important point, a CRITICAL point:

All the offices of "Revenue Canada", have Canadian flags, in their public offices, places where the public may walk into.

INSIDE the confines of those offices, is a Canadian flag, with a GOLD FRINGE around it's (the flag proper) periphery.

This is critical as this is the mark of the covert fascist takeover group. This is how they publicly show you their control of that office and like SHIP'S LAW, that ...stepping into that office and dealing with that office, is dealing with not just INTERNATIONAL LAW, but the LAW OF THE SEA, which is separate from land law or Canadian federal laws. (the gold fringe is about ship's law, ocean law, independent law--but coming from Canada)

So, they are trying to say that: "we are separate from ALL of you, and when you deal with these premises, these offices and all functions tied to these offices, via legal paperwork and your agreement upon and therein; you are involved in our laws and our edicts, our claims."

This is critical, as this is how they get past the idea of universal law, of the laws of the given country and how they create slavery that is against the universal laws, via the creation of finance and it's manipulation.

How they have to indicate it openly and clearly. Which they have Done.

You just have to recognize the signs in front of you. They are not obligated to illustrate such, but they are obligated to put the signs in the window...they simply indicate -----and you have to try and understand.

This how they pay lip service to universal or the law of the interstellar/inter-dimensional sphere, but do not follow the spirit of the law.

They are using weasel tactics (weasels are butchering bloodsuckers, seriously - in case you did not know) in order to try and creep in slavery/control of the human race, on the universal scale.

One big problem for them: Separate entities, that operate in separate law, independent law, are not to be operating on the Canadian or US SOIL, according to how the international law of the seas operates. They are trying real real hard to flub their way past that legal problem.

This is the kind of reason some of the things like giant yachts are out in the open sea, being operated by billionaires and such. They can control their empires independent from the law of the land and operate under their given 'ship's law', independent from legal claims by land groups, such as countries and their given federal laws.

Why do you think some of them spend their time moving from tax haven island to tax haven island and tax haven independent border/ocean entities? They have to follow international law of the seas/oceans, but those laws are independent of financial concerns, for the far greater part.

http://www.hauteresidence.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Monaco-Yacht-Show-from-atop-Athenas-192-feet-mast.jpg

They are following the rules. Rules/laws you may not be aware of. Rules/laws that they pay lip service to...... but openly break the spirit of.

The secondary challenge, is to break the cycle of how they attempt to operate on land masses, to challenge the precedent that they are trying very hard to enact and hold. Acceptance of terms, over time and in case and instance... creates legal precedent. The legal argument becomes one of awareness of conditions in the given precedent(s). And then a judge decides.

At that point, your problem becomes ..who runs the given judiciary?


More on how this works, in interstellar space, ie off the planet and off the landmasses, in the oceans. The ocean is independent of the land masses, in earth laws..... and the moon is independent of earth laws.

FOR THE SPACE BUG: DID, OR DID NOT, THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION DECIDE TO EXTEND ITS JURISDICTION TO THE MOON? (http://gizadeathstar.com/2015/02/space-bug-not-federal-aviation-administration-decide-extend-jurisdiction-moon/)

Do you feel you have a serious problem? Thus (as dominoes of logic may go/fall), how high a court are you willing to appeal to? How to achieve resolution?

Now, if someone is attempting to blunt your awareness (control of society, religion, and just about all other doors), blunt your developing intelligence, and, most especially, blunt your knowing of the details and the reality...so you cannot realize your dilemma, well..look around you at the world. Just look around at all the clues. It's all right there, in front of you.

Are you intelligent, or just a food animal of a sort? Are you trying to be alive, in all ways... and find that being taken from you, via various channels and means?

One must define what can stand in front of a given court, make claim ---and seek resolution.

Are you being blunted, in awareness and other ways...and, via precedence, remaining out of awareness, thus..via fiat... that you remain out of that court or arena of discussion and motions, and concede your 'vote' and 'voice' in any given proceedings?

The answer appears to be yes. Not by the letter of the law, but in pure violation of the spirit of the given 'law' (agreed upon collective norms).

[ceetee9]

Again, I've no disagreement with a global government and single globe of human affairs..as it is fundamentally required if humanity is to not be consumed by alien or off world differentials from multiple directions simultaneously..... but I'm deeply concerned of what and who may be in charge of such a thing.And that is precisely why we should never allow a one world government to form. History has shown us time and again that governments are incapable of not becoming corrupted and drunk with power and control for the benefit of a few. We can work together (on a global level) for the benefit of all without the need for a global government if we so choose, but this is off topic so I'll say no more.

[lilac]

http://westcoastnativenews.com/the-canadian-court-case-the-mainstream-media-will-not-cover/

[Carmody]

Your link is bounced and blocked

http://westcoastnativenews.com/the-canadian-court-case-the-mainstream-media-will-not-cover/

You have to go right to the website itself, then go directly to the page, no links will work. Either here, or on google.

One has to come 100% through the front door of the website. And then commit to a sequence of clicks on the article itself.

[DeDukshyn]

Your link is bounced and blocked

http://westcoastnativenews.com/the-canadian-court-case-the-mainstream-media-will-not-cover/

It worked fine with Iron(Chrome) and an ad blocker. IE, not so much, never tried with Firefox. Looks like a good article.

[Hervé]

Your link is bounced and blocked

http://westcoastnativenews.com/the-canadian-court-case-the-mainstream-media-will-not-cover/

It worked fine with Iron(Chrome) and an ad blocker. IE, not so much, never tried with Firefox. Looks like a good article.

The page appears then disappears with clicking the parsed link in Firefox as well.

However, lifting the full link with "Copy link location" from the above Avalon parsed link and pasting it in the URL box with "Paste & Go" in a new tab and the page comes up directly... it may indicate it is the re-direct from the Avalon site that's blocked? Something Ilie and/or Paul can figure out, maybe?

[ThePythonicCow]

Something Ilie and/or Paul can figure out, maybe?
The variant of this link in Post #22 above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79495-Canada-might-kick-out-its-banksters&p=928912&viewfull=1#post928912) is hopeless - missing the characters "-the" in the URL.

The variant of this link in Post #40 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79495-Canada-might-kick-out-its-banksters&p=931374&viewfull=1#post931374) works totally fine for me, clicking on it, from within the Avalon post, or copying it to the address bar of my browser manually.

I don't know why clicking on the embedded link is failing for some other users, some browsers.

[Carmody]

Change is exponential, so kill it at the root. Simple logic in economics of systems.

To try hard to keep away from the sociological flip point of 10% of Canadians becoming aware.

A stopgap move, a thing designed to help give them time to come to some form of a solution, a solution that moves to being in control and of personal design.

Thus, futz with the link from that particular website, in seemingly innocuous/innocent ways.

I'm using firefox, and the link comes up, then closes.

In return, I propose a change in the title of the thread.

How about "Canada and Canadians obtain legal right in court bid to kick out banksters"

[lilac]

Thanks for trying everyone. I'm not very practiced at posting. In case you didn't notice, the second link I put up was re-published February 10th from the previous issue, originally written on January 28th. I like your new thread title Carmody.

[applepie]

Here is how GATA reported on the court case:

http://www.gata.org/node/15086

[applepie]

Press for Truth provides an excellent synopsis of the court case

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGFsOwowlbU

[Carmody]

An important point, a CRITICAL point:

All the offices of "Revenue Canada", have Canadian flags, in their public offices, places where the public may walk into.

INSIDE the confines of those offices, is a Canadian flag, with a GOLD FRINGE around it's (the flag proper) periphery.

This is critical as this is the mark of the covert fascist takeover group. This is how they publicly show you their control of that office and like SHIP'S LAW, that ...stepping into that office and dealing with that office, is dealing with not just INTERNATIONAL LAW, but the LAW OF THE SEA, which is separate from land law or Canadian federal laws. (the gold fringe is about ship's law, ocean law, independent law--but coming from Canada)

So, they are trying to say that: "we are separate from ALL of you, and when you deal with these premises, these offices and all functions tied to these offices, via legal paperwork and your agreement upon and therein; you are involved in our laws and our edicts, our claims."

This is critical, as this is how they get past the idea of universal law, of the laws of the given country and how they create slavery that is against the universal laws, via the creation of finance and it's manipulation.

How they have to indicate it openly and clearly. Which they have Done.

You just have to recognize the signs in front of you. They are not obligated to illustrate such, but they are obligated to put the signs in the window...they simply indicate -----and you have to try and understand.

This how they pay lip service to universal or the law of the interstellar/inter-dimensional sphere, but do not follow the spirit of the law.

They are using weasel tactics (weasels are butchering bloodsuckers, seriously - in case you did not know) in order to try and creep in slavery/control of the human race, on the universal scale.

One big problem for them: Separate entities, that operate in separate law, independent law, are not to be operating on the Canadian or US SOIL, according to how the international law of the seas operates. They are trying real real hard to flub their way past that legal problem.

This is the kind of reason some of the things like giant yachts are out in the open sea, being operated by billionaires and such. They can control their empires independent from the law of the land and operate under their given 'ship's law', independent from legal claims by land groups, such as countries and their given federal laws.

Why do you think some of them spend their time moving from tax haven island to tax haven island and tax haven independent border/ocean entities? They have to follow international law of the seas/oceans, but those laws are independent of financial concerns, for the far greater part.

http://www.hauteresidence.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Monaco-Yacht-Show-from-atop-Athenas-192-feet-mast.jpg

They are following the rules. Rules/laws you may not be aware of. Rules/laws that they pay lip service to...... but openly break the spirit of.

The secondary challenge, is to break the cycle of how they attempt to operate on land masses, to challenge the precedent that they are trying very hard to enact and hold. Acceptance of terms, over time and in case and instance... creates legal precedent. The legal argument becomes one of awareness of conditions in the given precedent(s). And then a judge decides.

At that point, your problem becomes ..who runs the given judiciary?


More on how this works, in interstellar space, ie off the planet and off the landmasses, in the oceans. The ocean is independent of the land masses, in earth laws..... and the moon is independent of earth laws.

FOR THE SPACE BUG: DID, OR DID NOT, THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION DECIDE TO EXTEND ITS JURISDICTION TO THE MOON? (http://gizadeathstar.com/2015/02/space-bug-not-federal-aviation-administration-decide-extend-jurisdiction-moon/)

Do you feel you have a serious problem? Thus (as dominoes of logic may go/fall), how high a court are you willing to appeal to? How to achieve resolution?

Now, if someone is attempting to blunt your awareness (control of society, religion, and just about all other doors), blunt your developing intelligence, and, most especially, blunt your knowing of the details and the reality...so you cannot realize your dilemma, well..look around you at the world. Just look around at all the clues. It's all right there, in front of you.

Are you intelligent, or just a food animal of a sort? Are you trying to be alive, in all ways... and find that being taken from you, via various channels and means?

One must define what can stand in front of a given court, make claim ---and seek resolution.

Are you being blunted, in awareness and other ways...and, via precedence, remaining out of awareness, thus..via fiat... that you remain out of that court or arena of discussion and motions, and concede your 'vote' and 'voice' in any given proceedings?

The answer appears to be yes. Not by the letter of the law, but in pure violation of the spirit of the given 'law' (agreed upon collective norms).

bump. . . . .

how you lose a democracy, to money. How you lose an open society..to the cancer of fascism.

Fascism is unwanted by anyone, except for those involved in fascism. Which is invariably psychopaths and sociopaths. This is why fascism is always cloaked, and always divides, as it needs these things to 'be', in order to creep forward with it's agenda. Distract, and use propaganda.

The point being.... is that you cannot roll over into comfort zones.

Ever. Not even for a second. In the same way you learn how to physically stand and balance without falling over, you have to learn to be on guard. Permanently. Forever. For that which wishes to overtake you, never sleeps.

Never teach you children to sleep, to dance in the garden with no cares..... that is a pipe dream, which will fail. It is a good solid ignorant way to murder them, and their future. This is not about being nasty, it's about understanding a balanced growth is necessary.

All systems of matter/space/time that embody any sort of 'life', all have wide ranges of differential in basic through to complex form.

Difference, differential is required for self awareness, for intelligence to develop. If it does not have these things, it is dead, it is not alive......In such systems, there will be polarities. This is the reality of intelligence that is extant in dimensional systems.

This thing you call a 'you' or an 'I' IS inside of this sort of environment. Being alive or dead is a situation of awareness vs an automaton that is dead. ie, basic food (automaton) vs being alive (a growing intelligence in self awareness).

Choice. Fall back into being food and grass, or come into being alive.


Well, if you throw meat scraps in your driveway, the crows gather to eat it.

Eventually, they make your driveway part of their daily routine.

shortly thereafter, they complain when the meat does not appear.

They come to having a developed sense of demanding entitlement.

If you leave a hole in the side of your life and community... over time, the sociopaths and the psychopaths gather to 'eat it'.

After a while, they control the gathering and fight for your 'life' as 'meat',

After a while they develop a system of eating that meat and sharing it among them or fighting over it.

After a while, with this hole being so regular and normalized, a system develops where you are the expendable and they are the herder and controller, as that is what you and they drifted into, via your acquiescence, laziness, general lack of attention, and simple niceness in sharing... and their insistence.

It really is that simple. Monarchies, Oligarchies, capitalistic extremes, totalitarian-socialism, all the same.


Fascism creeps --- while you sleep.

Drip-drip-dripping you to death, inching forward to being more extreme every day.

They come from a place, a mindset, a neural wiring... that has no hesitation to moving to the level of death and murder, on simple to large scales, it is inherently part of their scale of capacities in motion and thoughts.

Thus, no matter the level of simplicity of your immediate situation, their side of the table is always ready to show you a gun.

You back down.

Until you've allowed things to escalate, over time, in small steps.. to the point where you have to respond in extreme ways.

You have to realize that this is the case, from the very beginning, and respond with such in mind, in all things.

[Carmody]

If this situation does not change soon, we may find the human race asking for external adjudication in order to deal with it's own self appointed oligarchy.

An oligarchy so removed from the mass of the people, and a mass of people forcibly removed from meaning by said oligarchy...that the oligarchy has no logical position to hold in the people's name.

[genevieve]

Thank you, Carmody!

BUMP


Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
genevieve

[Carmody]

getting back to the real push behind things like bill c-51, the anti terror bill. Who and what is behind it, and so on.

Loss of control, is the issue. We are dealing with invested and involved paranoia from mid-level intelligences who are enabled via their own sociopathic physiology to have intelligence that is not tainted by empathy, but it is clearly governed by limits tied to fear and self-loss. Again, a mid-level intellect. One that is above the level of intellect of the average person, but well within the range of being fully manipulable by more advanced intellects.

That basically, the elites, police, the vast number of Freemasons, judicial systems, political systems, etc are composed of higher than normal intellects but are STILL of a capacity to be encircled by more capable intelligences. Easily so.

For example, I'm capable of being one who could contrive such systems of encapsulation, but I'd never do such things, as the greater reach also encompasses a greater understanding of what this place is, and it's connectivity.

I'd never be so ****ing foolish.

Basically, humanity is in a very dangerous moment when the middle management intellects are pressing the buttons and levers, in their fears and mental pops and burns, as they come to terms with the greater universal truths.

The world may pay the price for such insanities, if the people don't come alive and help them back down from what is actually their own internal issues and has virtually nothing to do with what is going on in the external world.

My estimate is that beyond a human equivalent IQ of approximately 200, there is no reason to be physical. So, if indeed they are dealing with alien and dimensional races that may produce threat actions and patterns, it is that those being and entities are..for the larger part.... no more developed than humans.

Recall, that among the bits heard, is that, for example, the reptilian race, or at least one, is frozen in ritualistic motions and acts. Apparently for about 50,000 plus years, they have had no change... this means no advancement and that they are not thousands of years ahead in unfathomable technologies and knowledge but only MERE DECADES, once the alien presence and over unity technologies are publicly known among the larger human group...

That is what some are afraid of. Humans be very, very, very ...pissed off.

The vast majority of 'other' interactions with humans be it dimensional or what some might call 'alien' (a ridiculous term in a literal multi-universe with a probable thousands of humanoid variants which also spans dimensions), is of a benign nature, or a less problematic nature. The near billions of interactions are not harmful. Very few are harmful, and those are the ones that are emphasized, due to the human avatar's autonomous survival mechanisms being front and center as a filter in thought formation and bodily action. The very idea of the prominence of the idea of the horror film shows this to be explicit in the human avatar condition.

To add to the nightmare, the middle management of this mess is not evolved enough to go beyond the basic mechanism of manipulation via fear, so their tactics involve war, butchery, fear, oppression, etc.


The end result, is that the technologies they are hiding from us are not thousands of years ahead, they are simply the next wide plateau of technological advancement, and it can take place in decades, not thousands of years. Since the general public does not understand the advancements in technology and the expansion of the given ideas of life and the universe, it SEEMS, from the slightly unknowing position to be built of giant complexities.

But it is not.

Make NO mistake, though, with regard to the general public, it is going to take a HUGE leap in intellectual rumination, education, and control of their base emotional considerations, in order to bridge this gap safely.

The problem is that this understanding is apparently NOT in the reach of most of those who manipulate in ignorance, that middle intellect sociopath warmongering group, who are under the impression that human development and society is something they have to guide and protect.

They should be guiding and protecting it, serving it wholly, and not using it like a piece of meat they eat on their way to a given top position. That is the animal way, the avatar driven way...not the living breathing intellectual and self development way.

When these individuals physically die, they will be given an opportunity to consider a corrective factor in this misstep of theirs. They are advised to move on that consideration, while still alive and in the flesh. After the fact means the given mode and moment, is over.


Basic logic in analysis of the data.. dictates that if there are humanoid or similar universal races that are not really more advanced than we are but are out there exploring and connecting..and if some were nasty, the current shape of the human world would not stand a chance and all of us would be gone and nonthinking, long ago. Long ago. the fact that we exist and are in the moment of a coming interaction with such groups means that, in all appearance and record of act... the biggest problem we have is OUR OWN leadership and that given leadership's ---- insanity.


Back to this issue of Canadian freedoms, potentials, and the response from the middle management illiterate machine of psychosis and paranoia:



They will push the bill through and enact it and then activate all the mechanisms they've built to utilize the system that will be legalized.

A madman does not need more than a few seconds of access in order to remove life from your body.

Getting to your door and getting the foot in it, is the tail end of a planned long term situation.

Having the bill enacted is a serious problem as by then it will be too late.

Any effort to challenge it in the Canadian supreme court will be slowed down by likely years to a decade.

By then ......it will be 9.75 years to late, as nothing will be left by that time. The idea of a supreme court challenge is immaterial in a wasteland of destruction where a supreme court no longer exists.

The bill is only a key to a door, with a full preparation and enactment waiting behind it's facade.

Just like the few seconds of the madman at the door.


~~~~~~~~~~~~
this is the game that was played out with the 9/11 scenario. They pulled a pre-planned 1000 page tome called the 'patriot act', out of a drawer, dusted it off, and threw it into congress.

That patriot act, took years of work to build and put together. One thousand pages of complex and specifically targeted and carefully built and phrased legalese.

Yet, it appeared, on the scene, just after 9/11, in a matter of what, three weeks.... and then was pushed through congress in a matter of largely .....minutes.

The patriot act was only a masthead, a figurehead for a deeply built pre-exsiting system that was built and ready to go, in it's fundamentals, and then extrapolated and built into a giant machine in the post patriot act scenario.

So when you are looking at this bill c-51 scenario, remember the lessons of how these things actually work.

After the foot of the bill is in the door,and it is enacted, the door is pushed open, the machine that was pre-built rolls through and takes out everything, and no supreme court, will of the people, or capacity to organize, will exist after the fact, to have a chance of fixing it. a wasteland will be the result, so no plans of fixing it are likely to be viable, at all.

Grow up, stand your ground, recognize what you deal with.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hi still catching up but wanted to comment:


Hi Flash, Its hard to say isn't it? Canada is the second largest geographical country in the world with only 36 million people. We take in about 800,000 new immigrants annually. There is a push to get rid of the foreign workers program and allow anyone who comes to Canada for a job the path to citizenship right away instead of a Visa. That could be the creation of a borderless NA union with very tight borders but anyone could move anywhere providing you bought property or have a job in a country. This "global immigration plan" is always about money and economics-its about getting countrol of resources and bypassing soverign nations for the purposes of taking the riches and having the poorest people doing the work. Beware of anyone who believes the path to wealth is cutting governments (the democratic people's voice) role in funding education, health and social programs-they do this to keep you down and poor. Canada is an example to be watched in this regard as is comparing the USA of the 50's and 60's to the USA of today.

I have direct evidence that British Columbia has a policy of keeping other residents of Canada out by various methods. In a conversation I had with a high official I was given access to through a friend, I was warned not to take the provincial test for electrical trade equivalency. When I asked why, after having taken the test once and inexplicably failing (I took a three month course to prepare for the exam), I was told it is designed and worded to be failed. I did not take the advice (my bane) and failed again. I came back to Ontario and passed with high marks...

This was in the eighties when migrating tradesmen were putting the infrastructure of western cities under duress by the influx of workers. It was boon times and the western folk were afraid of the newcomers, they were afraid for their jobs and businesses. The west is in general more zenophobic than the east, probably with good reason.

edit to add: that test allowed two tries per lifetime. Two fails and you can never be an electrician in BC! The week I came back to Toronto, the red seal portion (inter-provincial license that must be honored throughout Canada) of the exam was not offered, so I never did get that coveted designation due to 'red tape' mix up (proffered reason: test had been stolen)

[Ernie Nemeth]

The idea of the middle manager, who contributes nothing and is graded on their ability to implement regulations and policies that reduce the productivity of others, is a pet peeve of mine.

Somehow, the value of the worker has been downplayed to the point that the workers don't value themselves. Everything in this world was made and provided by the workers. Those that get their hands dirty. And still to this day they are exploited without mercy. Somehow the citizens have forgotten how much they owe to the waitress, farmer, tradesman, nurse, miner, fabricator, machine operator...and the many who support them in their work are beholden to them. Without them there would be nothing but a fire in a pit, and maybe some good ideas without any to make them real and tangible (but the two usually come in one package).

All government is a burden we all must shoulder collectively. It is not a producer. It is a product of production and as such it has a cost and is classified as a liability in accounting terms. Does any government justify a third of my daily work? Can any logical argument be put forward where I would have to agree that I should go to work for two hours every day to support it? And that is just my sweat for up front costs. Where can an argument for the long-term effects of taxes on everything I buy and the inflationary forces eroding the buying power of my savings come from, where a further three to four hours of my work each day will be stolen from me in the future?

How can any support the way we live? I have never understood it.

And now my (I say 'my' with the most vitriolic sarcasm) government wants to escalate the violations already perpetrated by allowing their fascists overlords and their world-domineering agenda to gain purchase in our land.

Disgraceful.

[Carmody]

government and financial systems were designed from the ground up, as a system of hiding the existence of oligarchy and monarchy from the notice and mental world view of the masses.

If they can't see it, if they can't cognate it, they can't respond.

It's initial idea,money, was a way of keeping record of value, via enforcement of record of value. It did not take more than a few days for it to be seen as an avenue into other things. The insertion of lies and control of lies.

And look where we are now. A cesspool of excess and insanity.

[Flash]

bumping

I have no idea what to write except for the following question: why in the overall scheme of thing, and I mean universal, universal life and development, do we have to go through this system? Is this system what it is because it must be, or is it what it is because some kind of viruses have been introduced into it (in this case, psychopathy, but it could be like that for the whole planet, plants, animals, etc., with their own viruses.)
I have heard that being hammered by painful expériences makes one grow and develop (heard from Carmody and others). Then what makes us having to develop in a painfilled way and what is the end target?

Maybe a Creator who has learned from its mistake before creating anew? who knows.

But hey, Harper is still there, even if the whole East abhores it (it is an abomination) and worst, Netanyaho has been reelected (although he may have stolen part of the election, i would not be surprised) !! How far non thinking masses will go?

[Ernie Nemeth]

I believe this system is a normal progression for a civilization at our level of organization - which is to say just this side of civilized. We are still in the warrior/hoarding mentality. We think in terms of us and them - with strong nationalistic inclinations. And that once necessary distinction of us and them no longer serves us but most of us are not yet aware of that fact.

That is our biggest problem: that there is not even a word in our vocabulary for what we are right now. We are not civilized - but we call ourselves that. And since the next step is a true civilization and the word and its meaning have been hijacked we don't know what comes next.

We are not civilized, that is our problem - but we think we are. Since we think we are civilized already, we don't understand what it is we need now. To be civil is to include everyone, to refrain from judgement, to empower all and to respect all - to have reverence for all life. Those are fundamentals that we have yet to embrace. Until we do we are just glorified savages with a dangerous penchant for violence.

[lightseeker]

Carmody, I agree with your comment that we are all dealing with fascists. I have no liking for the Harper zio/nazi regime. The about to be passed bill c-51, Canada's version of the Patriot Act, will be the potential final blow to our democracy, especially should Harper win the next election in 2016. There are a few videos on youtube wherein Elizabeth May, leader of the Green Party, along with others, goes into some detail in explaining the damage this bill will cause. Canada in essence will no longer have free speech, the right to protest will end in mass arrests. CSIS will have the write without warrant to arrest and imprison.

Also included in the bill ( is possibly the creation of a secret intell agency) above and beyond CSIS. Then of course we have CSEC, the Canadian Security Establishment Canada, Canada's version of the NSA, located next to CSIS headquarters in Ottawa, just a 20 minute walk from my home. Which has always had a very close working realationship with CSEC and CSIS for many years.

Many Canadians are starting to wake up regarding the damage the Harper regime has done during the 10 years in power. One can only hope that the next election will get rid of this cancer.

We also have three or possibly 4 previous pri-ministers both conservative and liberal speaking out against this bill.

What are we to do, I am seeing my country going down the toilet; there is no guarantee that it either the NDP of Liberals should create a majority governments or a co-alition gov't. in the next election that they will change or or dis avow bill c-51.

[Carmody]

It won't be gotten rid of by an election, unless a separate non-influenced person rises up, with a good solid following, a person that has no connection to the media, corporations, or governments .....and that person would have to be protected 24/7.

We are dealing with a two party system in which both parties and the process are all corrupt.

The exact same way it is in the USA.

It is the illusion of choice.

It really has gone that far, and it's been that way for a long long time.

each day, getting worse and worse. finally we'll all be dumb animal servants genetically modified servants for a genetically modified ruling class, who will be subservient to a smaller group who is really running the show.

The only reason we are seeing it these days, is that the pace has picked up considerably in the recent past.

Things really sped up in this plan and it's execution, from about 1970 or so, when the world nearly broke free. The ruling groups panicked, and it's been the hammer, in all ways, since then. Worse and worse, every day. at the same time people are seeing it happen and are protesting, so they find more knives and find more fear based controls and twist them into people, as the people are in danger of breaking free.

We really are, finally, getting to the knee of the curve. Destroying the fabric of Canada and turning it into a vassal state of the USA, in order to create a North American single state...is part of a very long in the tooth PLAN, and they'll kill anything that gets in the way of that.

ever since the idea of Canada happened, after the 1776 war, those from that part of the plan, from down south, they have plotted and schemed to get the rest of the continent back into their hands. They are on the verge of getting it, and they'll push any button, turn over any rock and move any mountain to get that done. And they are now in the position to do it, and they are moving fast.

Bill C-51 has nothing to with terrorism, it has to do with getting control of Canada and tearing down the last barriers, which is the people of Canada, as some of them wake up and see what is going on --and try to stop it.

[applepie]

Here is more coverage of the legal case

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1290580-bank-of-canada-faces-lawsuit-for-alleged-imf-conspiracy/

[lilac]

Recent update on this: http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1290580-bank-of-canada-faces-lawsuit-for-alleged-imf-conspiracy/....