Feminist ‘Music’ is the Funniest Thing Ever!

[jackovesk]

Get ready to check your male privilege…and your eardrums.

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
February 2, 2015


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79wrXi_5WSw&feature=player_embedded
PS - WOOOOOOOOOooooooo)))))))))))))) :scared:..:pound:

[GK76]

Insanity of duality - Nuts on both sides of the fence. So much masculine energy firing away, oh the irony.

[Ciaran]

Truly crazy...

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Choosing to click the ad doesn't display good taste either.

I wonder if Watson is asked to do a quota of stories bashing feminisim,
or if the pencil necked twerp at the beginning of the video was special to Alex somehow.

Either way, it seems as if the point of the production was missed.
Perhaps it wasn't supposed to make people feel good or comfortable,
because historically many women do not enjoy that privilege.



p.s. did you fellow laugh at the filthy Disqus comments AJ permits below his women-bashing articles? It seems like an asylum for stupid over there.

Here is what you're really laughing at, Jack, and one reason I left AJ's community.


tward3 • 8 hours ago
Do I really have to say this again? If the boys would have invited the ugly girls to the prom there never would have been a "feminist" movement.
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CalsailX • 10 hours ago
It's things like this that explain the MGTOW phenomenon, it's just men getting off the crazy train. Just the fact you could find that many females willing to get onto a stage, and basically end up sounding like a troop of excited chimps is scary.
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tward3 CalsailX • 8 hours ago
Tis' not chimps you hear, young grasshopper, it is the sound of female (bitch) coyotes in heat.





...go to hell?





Oh now I see the thread you made about your sniper hero.
Funny how women are just animals but murderers for hire are heroes

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, All:

* Bill wades into the fray, a little nervously * :)

I do understand that to some, this may come over as rather offensive or provocative. (But actually, though, I would say the performance shown in the video is probably INTENDED to be provocative. That's where the 'provocation' has started.)

The video has seen 55,000 views in 24 hours, and jackovesk simply called this thread exactly what Infowars/Prison Planet had called it. It does deserve to be posted here.

Personally, I listened for 50 seconds, and then found it rather too unpleasant to continue. That's a comment about the 'music' (someone please channel Mozart, or even John Lennon, to ask them if they think this is really 'music') — not a comment from me about feminism or anyone's rights of any kind.

This may be a valuable thread if we can discuss how feminists (or those championing any right) can best express themselves and attract attention to their cause. This video seems to me to be the modern-day internet equivalent of the Suffragettes chaining themselves to the railings in 1908: it attracts attention. (And hey, it worked!)

[jackovesk]

Choosing to click the ad doesn't display good taste either.

I wonder if Watson is asked to do a quota of stories bashing feminisim,
or if the pencil necked twerp at the beginning of the video was special to Alex somehow.

Either way, it seems as if the point of the production was missed.
Perhaps it wasn't supposed to make people feel good or comfortable,
because historically many women do not enjoy that privilege.



p.s. did you fellow laugh at the filthy Disqus comments AJ permits below his women-bashing articles? It seems like an asylum for stupid over there.

Here is what you're really laughing at, Jack, and one reason I left AJ's community.


tward3 • 8 hours ago
Do I really have to say this again? If the boys would have invited the ugly girls to the prom there never would have been a "feminist" movement.
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CalsailX • 10 hours ago
It's things like this that explain the MGTOW phenomenon, it's just men getting off the crazy train. Just the fact you could find that many females willing to get onto a stage, and basically end up sounding like a troop of excited chimps is scary.
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tward3 CalsailX • 8 hours ago
Tis' not chimps you hear, young grasshopper, it is the sound of female (bitch) coyotes in heat.





...go to hell?





Oh now I see the thread you made about your sniper hero.
Funny how women are just animals but murderers for hire are heroes

Hi Tesla,

Sorry I didn't quite understand what you were trying to say..:noidea:

[jackovesk]

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Hi, All:

* Bill wades into the fray, a little nervously * :)

I do understand that to some, this may come over as rather offensive or provocative. (But actually, though, I would say the performance shown in the video is probably INTENDED to be provocative. That's where the 'provocation' has started.)

The video has seen 55,000 views in 24 hours, and jackovesk simply called this thread exactly what Infowars/Prison Planet had called it. It does deserve to be posted here.

Personally, I listened for 50 seconds, and then found it rather too unpleasant to continue. That's a comment about the 'music' (someone please channel Mozart, or even John Lennon, to ask them if they think this is really 'music') — not a comment from me about feminism or anyone's rights of any kind.

This may be a valuable thread if we can discuss how feminists (or those championing any right) can best express themselves and attract attention to their cause. This video seems to me to be the modern-day internet equivalent of the Suffragettes chaining themselves to the railings in 1908: it attracts attention. (And hey, it worked!)


Personally, I listened for 50 seconds, and then found it rather too unpleasant to continue.

Geesuz Bill, you lasted longer than me! I only made it to the 20sec mark before my :ear:/s couldn't bare it any longer..:wacko2:

[Tangri]

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Hi, All:

* Bill wades into the fray, a little nervously * :)

I do understand that to some, this may come over as rather offensive or provocative. (But actually, though, I would say the performance shown in the video is probably INTENDED to be provocative. That's where the 'provocation' has started.)

The video has seen 55,000 views in 24 hours, and jackovesk simply called this thread exactly what Infowars/Prison Planet had called it. It does deserve to be posted here.

Personally, I listened for 50 seconds, and then found it rather too unpleasant to continue. That's a comment about the 'music' (someone please channel Mozart, or even John Lennon, to ask them if they think this is really 'music') — not a comment from me about feminism or anyone's rights of any kind.

This may be a valuable thread if we can discuss how feminists (or those championing any right) can best express themselves and attract attention to their cause. This video seems to me to be the modern-day internet equivalent of the Suffragettes chaining themselves to the railings in 1908: it attracts attention. (And hey, it worked!)


Personally, I listened for 50 seconds, and then found it rather too unpleasant to continue.

Geesuz Bill, you lasted longer than me! I only made it to the 20sec mark before my :ear:/s couldn't bare it any longer..:wacko2:

I took your advice and didn't spent even 1 second, my ear is safe now.:lock1:

[RMorgan]

What's the notation for? :)

Well, jokes apart, you can't really interpret it out of context. It's a conceptual performance art piece, not music in the traditional sense.

Good art transcends all these silly values and labels, anyway.

Raf.

[Tangri]

What's the notation for? :)

Well, jokes apart, you can't really interpret it out of context. It's a conceptual performance art piece, not music in the traditional sense.

Good art transcends all these silly values and labels, anyway.

Raf.

Welcome back Raf. I hope you gained some energy while you were away.:boink:

[Gardener]

Woo Raf :) great to see you back in the driving seat.

I was about to have a 'primal scream' then I saw your name so I chilled, lol.

~ ~ ~

Feminism is a designed construct, if the video poked you in the ribs, try understanding bit of Jungs Anima & Animus archetypes.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Starting a thread with "check your male privilege at the door" is a way to fail.
Maybe this post is clearer.

Considering recent news, I am a bit surprised that people would waste the space in General (rather than off topic, express yourself, or think tank) to post material that encourages the sort of membership present at AJ's news site to present here.

I really enjoy not having a clique of open woman-haters running around PA like the pack of underage elephants we read about a couple days ago here.

Bad taste in music is not something inherited along with one's gender.
The tendency to mock others, belittle their work without thinking about it,
that might be.



Some material from a site a few notches about Alex Jones in terms of its credibility would be very nice from you.

Lately his site has been more subversive than helpful, and what that does for the people's interest is land a bunch of juvenile haters on the watch lists. The testosterone rage pit in his comments section is reason enough to avoid the site in general.

He does a worse job cleaning up the comments there than CNN does, and a lot gets through their filters -- even on MSM.



The moderators here are expected to police our interpersonal engagements, which I understand, but what I don't appreciate is the total lack of editorial responsibility expressed by allowing trolls to post 2-sentence comments written over the span of about 12 seconds, on a news site.


Project Avalon in my opinion serves many purposes, one being a way to share important news, and another is the community.


Posting threads mocking women's movements, even if the organizers ****ed them up, is a sure fire way to alienate and enrage a goodly portion of the people who come here for better material.







I regret responding to this at all, in fact a simple report with a better reason would have been better,

but here it is, since my last post was difficult to understand for some above. :doh:

[jackovesk]

Starting a thread with "check your male privilege at the door" is a way to fail.
Maybe this post is clearer.

Considering recent news, I am a bit surprised that people would waste the space in General (rather than off topic, express yourself, or think tank) to post material that encourages the sort of membership present at AJ's news site to present here.

I really enjoy not having a clique of open woman-haters running around PA like the pack of underage elephants we read about a couple days ago here.

Bad taste in music is not something inherited along with one's gender.
The tendency to mock others, belittle their work without thinking about it,
that might be.



Some material from a site a few notches about Alex Jones in terms of its credibility would be very nice from you.

Lately his site has been more subversive than helpful, and what that does for the people's interest is land a bunch of juvenile haters on the watch lists. The testosterone rage pit in his comments section is reason enough to avoid the site in general.

He does a worse job cleaning up the comments there than CNN does, and a lot gets through their filters -- even on MSM.



The moderators here are expected to police our interpersonal engagements, which I understand, but what I don't appreciate is the total lack of editorial responsibility expressed by allowing trolls to post 2-sentence comments written over the span of about 12 seconds, on a news site.


Project Avalon in my opinion serves many purposes, one being a way to share important news, and another is the community.


Posting threads mocking women's movements, even if the organizers ****ed them up, is a sure fire way to alienate and enrage a goodly portion of the people who come here for better material.







I regret responding to this at all, in fact a simple report with a better reason would have been better,

but here it is, since my last post was difficult to understand for some above.


Posting threads mocking women's movements, even if the organizers ****ed them up, is a sure fire way to alienate and enrage a goodly portion of the people who come here for better material.


I love women, but if they only knew how the Feminist movement got started then they might realize, there are far better ways of getting their POV across...:noidea:

This bunch do make me laugh though...:pound:

How do they expect to be taken seriously when they carry-on like that..:noidea:

A piss-poor effort indeed..:yes4:

PS - In the days of so called equality, the whole concept of ((Feminism)) is kind of mute isn't it..:noidea:

(Equal Rights for All)..:wizard:

PSS - Why 'feminism' poisons EVERYTHING


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWxAljFlb-c

http://media.tumblr.com/60dce5de68a0d33a43cb59ff0429ec42/tumblr_inline_n92ugsk4sq1qjw9ah.jpg

Wake-Up...:faint:

[Anchor]

I "checked my male privilege" and made it all the way through.

Did not laugh though. Was a bit bemused.

To be honest, I am not sure how the performance was anything to do with feminism though except perhaps the context it was presented in.

[ulli]

I'm not really a feminist, it's not my choice of a cause. I'm personally more interested in creating environments where people can get rid of stress, and contemplate their motives and future course of action.

Still, when looking around me, even here in "peace loving" Costa Rica, I gotta tell you, Jacko, women have it pretty rough and take the brunt in endless domestic violence cases. Then come the kids, and finally domestic animals.

The chief predator on this planet is definitely male, not female. And if women want to stand on stage and howl and screech their pain to get a reaction from the public, and to bring attention to their cause, then good luck to them.

Until the last man on earth has figured out that raising a hand or even a fist against a weaker opponent will have serious consequences let the women do whatever it takes to raise their awareness.

So if this rather provocative song (which to me is no worse than some modern opera) gets people talking and get some men to examine the impulses which cause them to express their hatred of women, which is nearly always a distorted hatred of themselves, and perhaps seek therapy to heal their mother-father inflicted childhood traumas, then it was all worth the effort.

Women can't all be expected to live up to men's ideas and fantasies about them.
Diversity is for all humans, not just the men, I say.

[GK76]

The same old story for the rabble-rouser to ignite. No, there is no one on Avalon I'm aiming this at, the 'battle of the sexes' (et al) touch paper was lit a long time ago.

Example: One country builds a culture, another country builds theirs... out comes the rabble-rouser to highlight the differences and spark a war. (physical)

Example: One cult forms a religion, another cult forms theirs... out comes the rabble-rouser to highlight the differences and spark a war. (spiritual)

Example: One group invents its ideology, another group invents theirs... out comes the rabble-rouser to highlight the differences and spark a war. (symbolic)

It doesn't matter how 'in control' you think you are, all are viable victims, and the larger the group the easier it is. And like lambs to the slaughter the sheep/goats, angels/demons, heroes/villains follow to their destruction.

Divide and conquer. Remember the people who coined that phrase? Nope, me neither, because they disbanded long ago (actually their mind-set and disease continues, but that's another story). Sadly, it doesn't end with that war. The rabble-rouser then causes a 3rd party or parties to become involved, they see the destruction and wade in to quell the flames before it spreads over their border. This will cause more attacks of opportunity, ad infinitum...

This is a world of duality, it's easy to find ways to start fires - just rub two idiots together (no, you haven't been attacked, bad, bad ego). Unless you stay in the neutral you'll be choosing sides and will become a victim. Just by choosing a side you create and acknowledge the opposite. Duality always loves to swing wildly from side to side, completely ignoring the middle path - the line that people think is a dividing line is actually the narrow path that very few follow. Neutral is the only path in line with the singularity/ISness/BEINGness. It is also a great spot for watching both extremes play their games of nutterage. It then becomes easier to hunt the rabble-rouser and douse them in petrol, then the only way they can start the fire is by sacrificing themselves (this happens all too frequently, such a waste, but a necessary and chosen experience in this sandpit we created).

We often fail to see the third choice in the polarity (can't call it duality now there is a third option).
Q. Shall I vote left or right?
A. Neither (they never tell you it's an option).
Q. Pepsi or Coke?
A. Neither.
etc...

Neither - Neutral - Neter - Neutron - Natal - Nature - NATURAL.

Just remember there are three choices.



You'll never know how often I delete perfectly good posts like this, also it isn't finished. Anyway, I'll just leave this one here as a reminder to those caught up in the 'battle of the sexes' debate. :)

[araucaria]

It is a sad reflection on where we are at that the most unsubtle animal level should appear to be the best way to make a crucial point about the status of women in society of all things. As a variation on the ‘I’m as mad as hell’ theme, this is pretty poor, but if it gets the job done…

Actually we know what a highly sophisticated treatment of a primeval scream would sound like, with all the technical bravura of someone like Barbara Hannigan in Ligeti’s Mysteries of the Macabre. Interestingly, the followingshort segment begins with the paradoxical statement ‘Bear in mind: silence is golden’. It is a paradoxical shame that women shouldn’t be able to make their mark simply by speaking up and expressing their immense gifts in the normal ways.

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In the full version below, Barbara Hannigan gets to take charge of the conducting as well, making for a whole new experience of the stuffy concert hall – but unfortunately such fun and games don’t get beyond the tiny audience of listeners to contemporary classical music. But first, she provides the program notes, explaining what this long scream is all about, how her character is warning about the end of the world due to an approaching comet.



Mysteries of the Macabre (1974-77, 91)

György Ligeti
solo soprano, and ensemble

A tour de force for soprano and chamber orchestra, György Ligeti’s Mysteries of the Macabre (1991) exemplifies the Hungarian composer’s cartoonesque virtuosity of composition and his use of irony, wit and absurdity in delivering a dark and deadly message. The vocal writing for this particular piece has its roots in Rossini and Mozart’s fireworks-filled coloratura arias: technically demanding for the singer, but composed entirely within the vocal tradition despite its challenging intervals and rhythms. Mysteries of the Macabre is an arrangement by Elgar Howarth of the 3 arias sung by the Gepopo character in Ligeti’s opera, Le Grand Macabre (1974-77). The piece can also be performed by solo trumpet (instead of soprano) and ensemble, after the virtuoso Swedish trumpeter Håkan Hardenberger took over for an ailing soprano on short notice in a Vienna performance of the opera, and this piece is dedicated to him.

The character Gepopo, the chief of the secret police of Brueghelland, approaches Prince Go-Go to warn him and the people of Brueghelland that intelligence has learned of a huge comet heading through space towards them which will destroy their planet. Unfortunately, Gepopo is paralyzed with fear and paranoid hysteria, so his almost unintelligible, coded warning is not easily understood by Prince Go-Go, who, mainly interested in a hearty meal, drives Gepopo to further convulsions of highflying vocal panic as the piece draws to a anxiety-ridden finale. The chamber orchestra mimics and grotesquely accompanies the soloist, with cock-crows from the contrabassoon, a sinister trombone solo, police and slide-whistles, whispered vocal sounds and a countdown screamed out by the players as Gepopo cries out desperately for help. — Barbara Hannigan
http://smcq.qc.ca/smcq/en/oeuvres/245/41.php (http://smcq.qc.ca/smcq/en/oeuvres/245/41.php)dJnoU8oR76g

The issue here is the way cultural elitism takes over whenever a certain degree of elaborate thought comes into play. For example, as well as exploring serious subjects, the plays of Bertold Brecht are full of entertainment (singing, dancing, music and slapstick), but so long as theatre-going remains a middle-class pursuit, the message will not get out. See for example The Good Soul of Szechuan. http://www.atc.co.nz/whats-on/2014/the-good-soul-of-szechuan (http://www.atc.co.nz/whats-on/2014/the-good-soul-of-szechuan)


The trouble is, the video in the OP is elitist in that sense and pretentious in the sense that the displayed level of technical skill is abysmal with respect to the underlying message aimed at a minority. What is needed is precisely the opposite: top quality performers reaching out to the broadest grassroots audiences.

[Snowflower]

It takes amazing control and skill to hold notes so terribly discordant with each other. Those women were highly skilled. But the whole exercise seemed pointless to me. Maybe that's one of the reasons I am violently antagonistic to male dominance but never became a "feminist."

[rgray222]

I have to admit I am not a big fan of feminism, I a not even sure what it is all about. Is it about equal pay, equal rights, violence against women, race? BBC writes.................


What the issues which are uniting feminists? What subjects divide them? Is feminism too white, too exclusive, too middle class or are new voices being attracted to the cause? Why are feminist groups making the headlines now and what can they learn from the earlier waves of activists?

So it seems to me that BBC is not even sure what feminism is all about or who is part of the movement if you want to call it a movement.

Virtually all "movements" get hijacked by the media and politics. The feminist movement is no exception. We have all heard about the war on women. When politics/media interjects itself into an issue it becomes a lost cause.

Labels are a way of dividing people, using labels to describe gender, race, wealth, sexual orientation, age or any other segment of society does a disservice to everyone involved. The only reason the media and politicians want to use labels is to go after your money and your vote. Once they can break you away from the group and get you to identify yourself with a cause or a movement they have much greater access to your wallet and your mind. When you assign a label to yourself you have removed your own character and adopted an identity assigned by groups that does not have your best interest at heart.

Assigning labels may bring an issue or cause to the forefront but instead of uniting people it only serves to divide people.

[Natalia]

At first instinct, the title of this thread made me want to be naughty (in a not feminist way), I will refrain...*giggle* :)



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Hi, All:

* Bill wades into the fray, a little nervously * :)

I do understand that to some, this may come over as rather offensive or provocative. (But actually, though, I would say the performance shown in the video is probably INTENDED to be provocative. That's where the 'provocation' has started.)

The video has seen 55,000 views in 24 hours, and jackovesk simply called this thread exactly what Infowars/Prison Planet had called it. It does deserve to be posted here.

Personally, I listened for 50 seconds, and then found it rather too unpleasant to continue. That's a comment about the 'music' (someone please channel Mozart, or even John Lennon, to ask them if they think this is really 'music') — not a comment from me about feminism or anyone's rights of any kind.

This may be a valuable thread if we can discuss how feminists (or those championing any right) can best express themselves and attract attention to their cause. This video seems to me to be the modern-day internet equivalent of the Suffragettes chaining themselves to the railings in 1908: it attracts attention. (And hey, it worked!)

That is such a mature and wise attitude to have *respect*

[soulsinger]

This is really not very complicated, in my opinion. A group of women screaming and yawping is AWESOME. A bunch of women bludgeoning and mutilating a plastic babydoll is AWESOME.

I love to hear women scream, be loud, be heard, and be expressive. It's GREAT. They're just demonstrating what they feel and believe through art.

And sorry, but I don't even find this performance provocative at all. It's relatively tame, compared to the REALLY crazy, conceptual stuff out there. Why is it so provocative to hear a bunch of ladies screaming and calling it a musical performance??? If that provokes or annoys or irritates or embarrasses you, then I think it's created a good opportunity for self-examination in its audience.

[Desire]

OH PLEASE!:tape:

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

This is really not very complicated, in my opinion. A group of women screaming and yawping is AWESOME. A bunch of women bludgeoning and mutilating a plastic babydoll is AWESOME.

I love to hear women scream, be loud, be heard, and be expressive. It's GREAT. They're just demonstrating what they feel and believe through art.

And sorry, but I don't even find this performance provocative at all. It's relatively tame, compared to the REALLY crazy, conceptual stuff out there. Why is it so provocative to hear a bunch of ladies screaming and calling it a musical performance??? If that provokes or annoys or irritates or embarrasses you, then I think it's created a good opportunity for self-examination in its audience.
Whining about recycled old news is awesome.
listening to 10 different men whine about it. more awesome.

knowing that there are 5 billion such people out there waiting to get online.
is it awesome enough?

[soulsinger]

This is really not very complicated, in my opinion. A group of women screaming and yawping is AWESOME. A bunch of women bludgeoning and mutilating a plastic babydoll is AWESOME.

I love to hear women scream, be loud, be heard, and be expressive. It's GREAT. They're just demonstrating what they feel and believe through art.

And sorry, but I don't even find this performance provocative at all. It's relatively tame, compared to the REALLY crazy, conceptual stuff out there. Why is it so provocative to hear a bunch of ladies screaming and calling it a musical performance??? If that provokes or annoys or irritates or embarrasses you, then I think it's created a good opportunity for self-examination in its audience.
Whining about recycled old news is awesome.
listening to 10 different men whine about it. more awesome.

knowing that there are 5 billion such people out there waiting to get online.
is it awesome enough?

Well I'm not really into whining. I like screaming better!!

And yeah, there are a lot of people who don't yet have internet access, and some of them will have awesome things to contribute once they do. And some will just be Internet Jerks, I guess.

I just liked what the women were doing in the video. It seemed cool.

[soulsinger]

OH PLEASE!:tape:

Is this a response to my comment? Is it because I liked the women's performance? Is it because I didn't find it provocative at all?
I think I might be missing your point. Can you please elaborate on your opinion?

[soulsinger]

Perhaps I'm being misunderstood, because I was captivated by the women in the video, and paid little attention to the male announcer who made all those sneering jokes. He seemed irrelevant to me. I just liked these women's performance art.

Also, I proudly call myself a feminist. Feminism is not about pitting the sexes against each other. It's about highlighting the humanity, basic rights, self-determination, and contributions of women... all of which are still routinely, unconsciously discounted in the public discourse.

[Natalia]

I think (from what I have seen) "feminists" can vary...in some of their natures and values...the one's that most people seem to have a problem with (understandably) is when they tell you that something about you or your lifestyle is wrong and condemn you for it as if you are bad...like someone's sexuality, or what they wear, or seeming weak in ways that they think you should seem strong in, or gender roles, just all this hard judgement...so I can understand why they got a "bad name"...and why people can be triggered by it...

But I think that it is a shame, because there is a good cause in some of this, because some work still needs to be done in terms of how many women are treated (domestic abuse, or child marriages, for example).

I have a friend who is a feminist who hates sex, she is a caring girl and generally kind, but she can be very triggered and judgmental about sex (and a few other things) and I don't take it personally or judge her bad for it, cause I know that overall she is a "good person" and that there must be some deep pain in her to do with it...so with some feminists, they don't really understand or have empathy for particular things that are not what they would like for themselves or that may seem harmful but is not...this is not a personal thing...

I also know of a few women who call themselves feminists, who are more empathetic and less strict and respects a person's free will choice as long as there is no harm...

So, they vary, and I think/feel that I kinda understand both sides, a little...

And it can be a bit like vegans (I am one!), so much variation in personality traits and natures and values, some vegans can be really arrogant and pushy, and some are not...but vegans can have a bad name with people expecting the worst...veganism also has good causes, it's against animal cruelty, but some vegans can be cruel, unfair and disrespectful about it...but we are not all like that...

[Desire]

OH PLEASE!:tape:

Is this a response to my comment? Is it because I liked the women's performance? Is it because I didn't find it provocative at all?
I think I might be missing your point. Can you please elaborate on your opinion?

Hi soulsinger,
Yes,I find this performance degrading to all feminists like me who have put in a lot of effort for equality to lable this feminist.
I wonder how much these women have actually contributed.Anyway you are entitled to your opinion. love and light

[soulsinger]

OH PLEASE!:tape:

Is this a response to my comment? Is it because I liked the women's performance? Is it because I didn't find it provocative at all?
I think I might be missing your point. Can you please elaborate on your opinion?

Hi soulsinger,
Yes,I find this performance degrading to all feminists like me who have put in a lot of effort for equality to lable this feminist.
I wonder how much these women have actually contributed.Anyway you are entitled to your opinion. love and light

I think it's important, as a feminist, to support the diversity of women's experiences and activities. I understand that some feminists do not want to be identified with certain images (such as more-masculine gender presentation, or hippie-type "earth mamas," or those who scream and call it music, or maybe those who bring anti-discrimination or harassment law suits, or whatever image they find unacceptable for themselves). But there is a whole world of feminists out here, as diverse as human beings are... and that diversity is going to create diversity of expression. A bunch of women screaming on stage might not be your choice of expression... but degrading to all feminists?

Why do women have to be so "nice" and "dignified" in order to be taken seriously?

I take issue with the disapproval of women for their honest expression of power or rage or whatever... by calling them "not real feminists" or "not contributing" or "just creating controversy to get attention." In my world... a bunch of ladies screaming on stage is barely anything at all. It's not surprising, even. (Many women have a lot to scream about!) And certainly not degrading.

Maybe I've just seen a lot of "shocking" things ;-)