Psilocybin mushrooms spirituality and awakening

[TruthSeekah]

Check out this video of my recent experience of a hero dose :wizard:
http://www.truthseekah.com/medicine/psilocybin-mushrooms-spirituality-and-awakening-truthseekah-interview/

[happyuk]

Drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, comfort eating and other forms of escapsim are a distraction from genuine truth-seeking.

When a person lacks ambition, it is in many cases down to drugs. Particularly hallucinogens and marijuana. Why? They destroy ambition, it destroys the capacity to concentrate, it destroys willpower. Don’t do it. They destroy the very instruments you need to overcome life's inevitable problems.

I am convinced LSD was originated by the CIA. Deep down governments welcome plenty of drugs in the marketplace, prescription or otherwise, as a way of keeping populations docile and stupid.

"Give my people plenty of beer, good beer, and cheap beer, and you will have no revolution among them."

– Queen Victoria

[white wizard]

I have to disagree when it comes to hallucinogenic drugs such as those used

by witch doctors like ayahuasca. This drug can help people communicate with

the spirits and natural world. Even help them travel to other forms of reality.

These have helped witch doctors heal people before modern medicine was even

thought of. People have had life changing experiences taking it. I also condone

weed, because I have seen it help people as well. Yes they can be an easy way

to achieve other levels of consciousness, but people should be able to take

these two medicines if they so choose to. It is there God given right.

[the_real_dave-id]

LSD may indeed have been originated by the CIA. But Psilocybin mushrooms are not LSD.
And hallucinogens only destroy ambition in those prone to destroying their ambition.
Case in point: Bob Marley made quite a career for himself.
To each.... his own.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, comfort eating and other forms of escapsim are a distraction from genuine truth-seeking.

Something like mushrooms or ayahuasca isn't a form of escapism. If you're trying to escape anything then these substances will be sure to bring them to the forefront of your consciousness and force them to be dealt with.

Besides, I don't know what authority decides what is "genuine truth-seeking" and what isn't. Certainly you wouldn't be referencing your own personal standards as standards for everyone else in the world. If you can show me someone or something that determines what is a legitimate way to find truth and what is not, then I can show you someone or something that is only serving to limit or manipulate others.




I am convinced LSD was originated by the CIA. Deep down governments welcome plenty of drugs in the marketplace, prescription or otherwise, as a way of keeping populations docile and stupid.

"Give my people plenty of beer, good beer, and cheap beer, and you will have no revolution among them."

– Queen Victoria

Beer is legal, and widely available everywhere. LSD is illegal and one of the substances that western authorities hound the most viciously. Not because it is dangerous (100,000+ dead from legal prescription medicine every year in the US alone -- and who is stopping that?), but because it is a threat to their control systems.

[TruthSeekah]

^^^^^^^^^^ So True

[thunder24]

Drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, comfort eating and other forms of escapsim are a distraction from genuine truth-seeking.

When a person lacks ambition, it is in many cases down to drugs. Particularly hallucinogens and marijuana. Why? They destroy ambition, it destroys the capacity to concentrate, it destroys willpower. Don’t do it. They destroy the very instruments you need to overcome life's inevitable problems.

I am convinced LSD was originated by the CIA. Deep down governments welcome plenty of drugs in the marketplace, prescription or otherwise, as a way of keeping populations docile and stupid.

"Give my people plenty of beer, good beer, and cheap beer, and you will have no revolution among them."

– Queen Victoria

in your opinion... how many of those have you "dove" into personally?

[Anchor]

In my twenties, I did both and more :) and Beer. Now I don't touch any of it and rarely drink alcoholic things.

Personally I had some limits I never did anything smoke related, so I had to satisfy myself with ingestion. A few times some powdery stuff may or may not have found their way up my nose... ahem.

LSD - freaking awesome at the time. Did cause me some rather unpredictable flashbacks though and this is why I wouldn't ever recommend it. So even though I enjoyed my peek behind the veil, and it was a very informative experience for me, I still don't recommend it.

Psilocybin mushrooms - dried - on bread with marmite to try to disguise the taste. Then about an hour later I had the next eight hours of the world rushing in and out like a tide. Very odd experience.

I never injected - that always seemed like a fool's game to me. I quite like the protection that my physical body provides, so generally think punching holes in it is a bad idea.

Arguably abusing your digestive system or mucous membranes is also a bad idea, but I seem to have allowed it in my past - LOL.

A lot of what is preached about drugs is utter bollocks, but my advice, if you are hanging in the balance then don't do it.

If you are convinced you want to experiment/use drugs, then you wont listen to me or anyone else anyway.

Outcome: my ability to cause occasional problems for people in authority remained unchanged!

[happyuk]

Some good counter-arguments to my admittedly didactic response.

My take on things is that no matter how seemingly wonderful the experience (which is still transitory), every time you take some dope or whatever and you think you're getting some escape from life, you play right into the government's hand, you become another pawn, and they've got you. I'd rather be set free inside my own mind. If you don't have enough money or clout with which to beat the system, the least you can do is maintain your self-respect in the knowledge that your mind is not being chemically influenced by a governmental agency.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Hate to break it to you but your mind works in the first place because of drugs. Serotonin, melatonin, all those chemical neurotransmitters are drugs. You can buy drinks with melatonin in them to help you relax or sleep, and they're drugs. DMT is the active ingredient in ayahuasca and it's also a neurotransmitter that's already naturally-occuring in your body, especially in children (release basically stops after puberty -- which may be why children are so much more imaginative than adults).

When you take something like ayahuasca, mushrooms or LSD, you're just introducing a tiny amount of a different kind of neurotransmitter that forces your thoughts to take new patterns, and providing the biological mechanism by which you are forced to see, hear and generally experience the universe in a brand new way. And beer is perfectly legal, addictive, and kills people, while these things are all illegal, non-addictive and non-toxic.

[Anchor]

While these things are all illegal, non-addictive and non-toxic.

I like your response in general. I feel I need to take issue with this last bit - because I consider a number of drugs to be potentially harmful both the legal and illegal ones.

The harmful potential has many perspectives. Drugs do affect you - that is the point of them. They can change your behaviour which can be inconvenient for you or other people. It is possible to have accidents as a consequence of not operating normally. I am speaking from unfortunate experience: an LSD/mushroom/THC - who knows which one - related flashback, break in concentration/incorrect perception, resulting in car crash.

When you make the decision to use a drug you WILL remain entirely responsible for the outcome on both yourself and those around you.

Later I have found out from in my own reading/learning and looking back that even skilful use avoiding most of the downsides is probably not all that likely to help you in the long run with your any spiritual progression and can easily retard it.

I note that shamanic drug use is "ritualised" and usually involves being with a guide but well away from other people and its pretty obviously that way for a reason - however, this is not a path I chose.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I like your response in general. I feel I need to take issue with this last bit - because I consider a number of drugs to be potentially harmful both the legal and illegal ones.

Of course, especially drugs like heroin and meth. But the three I listed specifically, ayahuasca (DMT), mushrooms and LSD are all non-toxic. LSD is less toxic than vitamin C by dosage, for example, and you need very little LSD at all for it to have an effect. This is purely in medical terms. If you take some LSD and then decide to play in traffic (and I have been in these circles and have never known anyone to have ever done such a stupid thing -- it only seems to be a common story in anti-LSD propaganda starting in the 60's) then that would be more some underlying mental or general ignorance problem than anything caused by the drug itself.


Later I have found out from in my own reading/learning and looking back that even skilful use avoiding most of the downsides is probably not all that likely to help you in the long run with your any spiritual progression and can easily retard it.

I disagree with that wholeheartedly, from personal experience. These things should not be used as a crutch for spiritual pursuits, but just a one-time use can open many, many doors that can be explored for a lifetime.

On the other hand, someone who does not know what they're getting into can give themselves PTSD out of sheer ignorance, which is where the saying "set and setting" comes from. Someone may think they're going to take something to have a good time at a party, and end up being forced to face internal thoughts and feelings that they were not at all prepared for, leading to a vicious cycle of traumatic experiences, especially if you start flipping out in public or even at a private party. This is more likely to happen and I have personally seen and heard of exactly this kind of thing multiple times.

[eaglespirit]

Love, Love, Love...of the Highest Order actively connecting with Your Very Own Highest SOURCE doing no harm to Others !!!

Whatever enhances Spirit growth and knowing and doing and giving, do it, Your Own Balancing Ways!

Listen and Trust and Do!!!

We are All Big Boys and Girls...much has been kept from Us as You All well know...
so reach out and touch things if YOU are 'prompted to' that will help You help Others!
BEcome Selfless Givers of Your Own Talents and Enlightenments!!!

[Anchor]

Thanks for your elaboration. I don't think we are really disagreeing all that much now.


Of course, especially drugs like heroin and meth. But the three I listed specifically, ayahuasca (DMT), mushrooms and LSD are all non-toxic. LSD is less toxic than vitamin C by dosage, for example, and you need very little LSD at all for it to have an effect. This is purely in medical terms.

Harm and toxicity were not supposed to be equated in my post even - and I agreed with that part of your post actually. The harm I was referring to can manifest in other ways that direct toxicity. Anyway, after I read your response I don't think you are saying that any drug is always or completely harmless or risk free either. We have both chosen our words with care, but I may have confused the way most read in this context.


If you take some LSD and then decide to play in traffic (and I have been in these circles and have never known anyone to have ever done such a stupid thing

Agreed. In my case it was a week or so after. At least a month needed to pass from the first LSD trip for that to stop (I can count the experiences on one hand). Just because it happened to me (and others I knew at the time) doesn't mean it will happen to everyone.


These things should not be used as a crutch for spiritual pursuits, but just a one-time use can open many, many doors that can be explored for a lifetime.

Entirely fair comment and I agree (so probably would Ram Dass ;) ). I recall my experiences to this day and I would say in my case what you have said is correct, but I wanted to point out pitfalls I knew of - as now have you. I cant honestly say that I know how things would have gone had I not made the choices I did, so I will leave it at that.

It will be different for everyone.

[TruthSeekah]

All great points. You guys rock.

[petter]

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